Author Topic: Bye Lance  (Read 64197 times)

Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #275 on: August 03, 2012, 12:22:22 AM »
I've noted a seeming complete absence of mention of LA throughout this years tour commentary, newspaper coverage, and the Olympic road racing. Interesting.

Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #276 on: August 03, 2012, 01:25:11 AM »
I've noted a seeming complete absence of mention of LA throughout this years tour commentary, newspaper coverage, and the Olympic road racing. Interesting.

There was some mention of Lance in an article by Paul Kimmage in The Mail.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2177405/Bradley-Wiggins-battle-cyclings-drug-demons--Paul-Kimmage.html

That's the kind of article that the Times might have run, but Kimmage was cut from the Times in the wake of the News of the World debacle, so it might be sour grapes, or a case of the chicken and the egg.
http://www.sportsjournalists.co.uk/jobs/kimmage-and-hawkey-cut-from-sunday-times-sport/

Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #277 on: August 03, 2012, 07:42:52 AM »
Kimmage is of course the 'Anti-Lance'. With the Murdochs firmly behind British Cycling, Wiggins writing a column in The Guardian and the Telegraph catering for an audience of cycling enthusiasts, The Mail is his last refuge. I suppose the parrallel with Sky would be Deutsche Telekom with Riis and Ullrich, who were single-time Tour winners propelled by a big-money sponsor. Their success was on top of that of Zabel, who mentored Cav's success, Cav having ridden with Telekom of course.

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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #278 on: August 04, 2012, 12:25:41 AM »
Here's an interesting development I spotted being discussed elsewhere.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12563/USADA-denies-UCI-request-to-take-control-of-ArmstrongUSPS-doping-proceedings.aspx

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The US Anti Doping Agency has rejected a call by the UCI to allow it to assume responsibility for the doping investigation into Lance Armstrong and others in relation to the US Postal Service team, and had also turned down a request for it to hand over the entire case file.

The UCI’s president Pat McQuaid had previously indicated that USADA had jurisdiction but, in two letters dated July 13th, had said that it wanted to take over the case.

USADA gave the UCI a somewhat dusty response:

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USADA’s CEO Travis T. Tygart has said the agency would not deviate from its investigation. “The USPS Doping Conspiracy was going on under the watch of UCI, so of course UCI and the participants in the conspiracy who cheated sport with dangerous performance enhancing drugs to win have a strong incentive to cover up what transpired,” he said.

So what's made Fat Pat change his mind? Curiouser and curiouser...
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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #279 on: August 05, 2012, 01:45:24 PM »
In his book Kimmage painted McQuaid in a pretty poor light re doping I seem to recall

Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #280 on: August 08, 2012, 08:10:40 AM »

WADA comes in to support USADA, suggesting that UCI doesn't understand its own rules: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/usada-does-have-jurisdiction-over-armstrong-case-says-wada

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WADA Director General David Howman first wrote to UCI President Pat McQuaid on August 7 and then released a statement today explaining that cycling's governing body should be providing assistance to USADA.

"As clarified in the WADA letter, Article 15.3 states that the Anti-Doping Organization (ADO) 'which discovered the violation' must have results management authority, and not the ADO which discovered the first shred of evidence which then led to the discovery of violations," the Agency said in a statement.

WADA also explained that there is "no provision" within its rules "that allows the UCI to interfere with the USADA case" or demand to see the USADA-compiled evidence.

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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #281 on: August 08, 2012, 02:10:20 PM »
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WADA also explained that there is "no provision" within its rules "that allows the UCI to interfere with the USADA case" or demand to see the USADA-compiled evidence.

WADA backing up USADA is a no-brainer, they haven't seen eye-to-eye with the UCI in the past, if my memory serves. Given that prior to July 13th (see my previous post), Pat McQuaid had said that USADA had jurisdiction in this case, the more cynical observer would be inclined to think that it's not so much that the UCI don't understand its own rules, it's more that the UCI is conveniently ignoring them.  ;)
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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #282 on: August 09, 2012, 12:57:42 AM »
The Inner Ring has a good piece on the latest developments: http://inrng.com/2012/08/uci-vs-president-mcquaid/#more-10348

WADA backing up USADA raises the stakes significantly.

Quote from: The Inner Ring
What next?
The UCI has a choice. It must decide whether to bow to WADA or continue to dispute things, either in open conflict via press releases or perhaps even going to the Court of Arbitration for Sport to plead its case. To continue the spat would risk being labelled “non-compliant” with the WADA Code. All signatories have a duty to uphold the Code in full.

If WADA is not satisfied it can impose strict sanctions. Here’s the WADA website:

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What happens if a sports organization or a government does not comply with the Code?
WADA reports cases of non-compliance to its stakeholders who have jurisdiction to impose sanctions, including the International Olympic Committee (IOC). The Olympic charter was amended in 2003 to state that adoption of the Code by the Olympic movement is mandatory. Only sports that adopt and implement the Code can be included and remain in the program of the Olympic Games.

Note the last sentence: if a governing body doesn’t follow the Code, it can be ejected from the Olympics.

Consider how many* of the medals won by Team GB were courtesy of the cyclists...

* Leaving aside the admittedly less certain medal prospects in the upcoming BMX and MTB XC events.
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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #283 on: August 09, 2012, 07:33:10 AM »
Oh yeah, like that counts for a lot. Victor Conti has today claimed that six out of ten athletes at the Olympics are using PEDs and that it's easy to avoid testing positive. Now, he may well have an axe to grind but are the IOC and/or WADA going to investigate his claims properly?

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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #284 on: August 09, 2012, 08:30:48 AM »
Hmmm, just read the inner ring article and I think it's all part of an evil UCI conspiracy to stop TeamGB dominating the cycling at Rio. They've tried restricting the pool of competitors and that didn't work so the only thing they can do now is get cycling removed from the Olympics and to hide the fact that it's an anti-TeamGB manoeuvre they're using the "non-adherence to anti-doping policies" gambit.  Very cunning eh wot?

IGMC, it's the one with the tin-foil hat in the pocket...  :)
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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #285 on: August 13, 2012, 11:11:18 PM »
In this week's episode...

After making a series of cryptic Tweets in recent days, Jonathan Vaughters has come out and confessed to doping, in an article he wrote for the New York Times about how to clean up sport.

As the Inner Ring's latest post says, this time JV has used clear language rather than expecting the world to read between the lines, as per his 2010 interview with Cycling News.

And Tyler Hamilton, Armstrong's trusted lieutenant in his first three TdF wins, has a book out, co-written with Daniel Coyle. According to the blurb on Amazon, "The Secret Race is a definitive look at the world of professional cycling—and the doping issue surrounding this sport and its most iconic rider, Lance Armstrong"

Amusingly, the publication date of September 18th happens to be Armstrong's birthday.  ;D

Book available at Amazon.com
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Case dismissed!
« Reply #286 on: August 20, 2012, 06:20:41 PM »
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/judge-sides-with-usada-in-armstrong-suit

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The judge chose to dismiss the case because "Armstrong's due process claims lack merit" and "the Court lacks jurisdiction over Armstrong's remaining claims, or alternatively declines to grant equitable relief on those claims".

The full details of the judge's decision: http://www.scribd.com/doc/103348811/Sparks-Decision

So, Armstrong now has four days to either take ze punishment, or go to arbitration, where all witness testimony and other evidence will be aired publicly.

Now the real fun begins...
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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #287 on: August 20, 2012, 06:56:07 PM »
Wow. Worlds change in the blink of an eye.

Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #288 on: August 20, 2012, 07:07:55 PM »
There must be a lot of runners-up hoping to get their names in the TdF record books (and that their own doping doesn't come to light).
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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #289 on: August 20, 2012, 07:15:24 PM »
It is unlikely Ullrich cares
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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #290 on: August 20, 2012, 07:20:46 PM »
I'd agree with Sparks' conclusion on pages 28 and 29.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/103348811/Sparks-Decision

Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #291 on: August 20, 2012, 08:24:21 PM »
There must be a lot of runners-up fifth and sixth placed riders hoping to get their names in the TdF record books (and that their own doping doesn't come to light).

FTFY!  ;D

Can anyone be arsed to work out who will get the retrospective Yellow Jerseys?

Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #292 on: August 20, 2012, 08:31:53 PM »
I'd agree with Sparks' conclusion on pages 28 and 29.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/103348811/Sparks-Decision

Indeed.  It would appear Judge Sparks is mystified by the behaviour of USADA and their intent on continuing with the case against the wishes of those controlling the sport.  I don't see this as 'sinking Armstrong'.

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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #293 on: August 20, 2012, 09:03:53 PM »
There must be a lot of runners-up fifth and sixth placed riders hoping to get their names in the TdF record books (and that their own doping doesn't come to light).

FTFY!  ;D

Can anyone be arsed to work out who will get the retrospective Yellow Jerseys?


Fifth or sixth??  More like nineteenth or twentieth

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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #294 on: August 20, 2012, 11:01:33 PM »
Once this affair reaches a conclusion, either the TdF records will have asterisks appended to Armstrong's victories, or the winner's name will be left blank. ASO have done both, but given the difficulty in finding a convincingly clean winner out of the top ten on GC in 1999-2005, I suspect that the latter option may be taken.  :-\

I'd agree with Sparks' conclusion on pages 28 and 29.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/103348811/Sparks-Decision

Indeed.  It would appear Judge Sparks is mystified by the behaviour of USADA and their intent on continuing with the case against the wishes of those controlling the sport.  I don't see this as 'sinking Armstrong'.

I think Sparks is taking the view that the whole affair should have gone to arbitration in the first place, "a plague on both your houses, and I wash my hands of this," as it were.
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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #295 on: August 20, 2012, 11:25:47 PM »
According to a report on Velonation, the UCI have backtracked on McQuaid's last comments on the affair, when he was claiming that the UCI had jurisdiction, and that USADA should hand over the case file.

Now, it appears that the UCI have accepted today's federal court ruling that the arbitration panel will be neutral.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12681/US-Postal-case-UCI-says-it-was-never-fighting-to-defend-Lance-Armstrong.aspx

Interesting that it's not McQuaid coming out and saying that arbitration was what they had really wanted all along now. Perhaps even he has realised that after getting slapped down by WADA when he tried to put the hard word on USADA, a welcoming of the federal court verdict from him would be a case of inserting his free foot into his mouth.  :demon:
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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #296 on: August 23, 2012, 11:37:57 PM »
Cycling News has a truckload of bedtime reading - an index of every story relating to Lance Armstrong and doping allegations, staring with the "non-negative" for cortisone test result in the 1999 TdF, right up to the latest comments from Michael Ashenden, saying that it's time Pat McQuaid actually helped USADA's investigation:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/index-of-lance-armstrong-doping-allegations-over-the-years

Given that USADA's deadline (midnight Mountain Daylight Time) for accepting sanctions or arbitration falls at 6 am tomorrow morning in the UK, there should be enough reading material there to pass the time...  ;D
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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #297 on: August 23, 2012, 11:45:14 PM »

I think Sparks is taking the view that the whole affair should have gone to arbitration in the first place, "a plague on both your houses, and I wash my hands of this," as it were.

I think Sparks is wondering why the USADA wants to destroy a US and Texan hero, when he's done so much to inspire a generation to take up cycling, and who US Cycling have named a youth series after.
It's a function of the scab-picking nature of the internet, which hasn't yet acheived the maturity to let bygones be bygones.

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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #298 on: August 24, 2012, 12:16:52 AM »

I think Sparks is taking the view that the whole affair should have gone to arbitration in the first place, "a plague on both your houses, and I wash my hands of this," as it were.

I think Sparks is wondering why the USADA wants to destroy a US and Texan hero, when he's done so much to inspire a generation to take up cycling, and who US Cycling have named a youth series after.
It's a function of the scab-picking nature of the internet, which hasn't yet acheived the maturity to let bygones be bygones.

Judge Sparks is undoubtedly not as conversant as serious racing fans and those in the sport are with the ins and outs of Armstrong's career, doping in the sport, anti-doping arbitration procedures and the conflict between WADA and the UCI, etc etc.

The link in my previous post shows that questions have been hanging over Armstrong ever since he made his comeback after beating cancer. The implications of a number of the reported allegations concerning Armstrong and doping are that, at best, the UCI has been engaged in a major conflict of interest; at worst, there is corruption in the sport that runs right to the top, and that the current and previous presidents of the UCI have serious questions to answer.

Sometimes a scab has to be picked off, because the wound underneath hasn't been cleaned properly.
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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #299 on: August 24, 2012, 12:41:07 AM »
Going by comments elsewhere on't webs, Armstrong (or a spokesman) is making a statement at 10pm EST, that's 3am in Blighty.

And that's it from me for tonight - it'll be interesting to see what news the morning will bring...
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