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Is this soldering station good?
« on: 06 October, 2011, 08:29:55 pm »
I want to replace my cheap soldering iron for a good quality one with variable temperature.  Mains powered.

Is this Maplin one any good?: http://www.maplin.co.uk/60w-professional-lcd-solder-station-with-esd-protection-511927

Any other recommendations for < £100 delivered?

Also. where can I get leaded fine solder, and would the tips with the above iron be good with leaded solder?

Thanks.
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Re: Is this soldering station good?
« Reply #1 on: 06 October, 2011, 09:13:21 pm »
Maplin probably  O.K. - Try  CPC http://cpc.farnell.com/solder for Sn/Pb solder

(plenty of choice of solderstations there too)

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Re: Is this soldering station good?
« Reply #2 on: 06 October, 2011, 09:17:02 pm »
Thanks.

I suspect Maplin's station isn't one of the best, but Maplin is the devil I know.  I would appreciate specific recommendations for a model from elsewhere, if anyone can.
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Re: Is this soldering station good?
« Reply #3 on: 06 October, 2011, 09:24:02 pm »
I can highly recommend the mains soldering iron I bought for £3.99 at Proper Job, it works and is immenselg good value. I always burn myself on the f**r tho. I got the solder and flux there too for £1. I love Proper Job  ;D

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Re: Is this soldering station good?
« Reply #4 on: 06 October, 2011, 09:35:46 pm »
Weller or Antex if you want replaceable tips etc.  Weller for preference, but they can be expensive.  There are a few on ebay at the moment.
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Re: Is this soldering station good?
« Reply #5 on: 06 October, 2011, 09:38:36 pm »
I've been spoilt by Weller irons at work, I'll get one one day (probably a used one off ebay).

My only concern with those cheap Chinese Maplin ones is the tips - will replacements be available a couple of years down the line when the model has been discontinued? Maybe there's some standard and this isn't a concern, I dunno.

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Re: Is this soldering station good?
« Reply #6 on: 06 October, 2011, 09:39:10 pm »
I can highly recommend the mains soldering iron I bought for £3.99 at Proper Job, it works and is immenselg good value. I always burn myself on the f**r tho. I got the solder and flux there too for £1. I love Proper Job  ;D

Nah, a £3.99 iron can't be really good.  It'll be ok for chunky basics, but I want something better for fine delicate stuff, at long last.

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Re: Is this soldering station good?
« Reply #7 on: 07 October, 2011, 07:03:04 am »
What you really want is a Weller TCP 50W/24V iron and a P51 psu. This is proper industrial kit and will last for ever. (mine is 25 years old  :thumbsup:)

The snag is it will cost more like £130 and there is the most bewildering selection of tips imaginable. I had what I called my "big-arse bit" that I used for soldering things that need a high heat capacity to get them hot enough, but I lost it and I can't work out which one it was now  ::-)

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Re: Is this soldering station good?
« Reply #8 on: 07 October, 2011, 07:18:33 am »
I'll add another vote for a Weller - I have the same setup as nmcgann and it's bombproof.

I used some of their more exotic stations in the past and they are really amazing.

The only disadvantage of that setup is that the temperature control is done within the tips - i.e. you run a different tip for 315 degrees to one for 440 degrees.

But if you don't need temperature control, it's about the best setup out there.  Worth looking on eBay and seeing if you can pick up either piece cheap.
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Re: Is this soldering station good?
« Reply #9 on: 07 October, 2011, 07:28:47 am »
Thanks.  I do want proper temperature control.  I might up the budget.  It could actually save money if it helps me repair stuff.
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Re: Is this soldering station good?
« Reply #10 on: 07 October, 2011, 07:51:45 am »
As long as you don't need to be changing temperatures on a regular basis, the Weller setup described is great.  I also have a big-arse high temp bit for soldering speaker cables etc., and then a much finer, lower temp bit for more delicate work.  I'm not swapping them constantly or anything.

If you need quick temperature control, Weller is going to blow your budget out of the water pretty quickly sadly.  But as long as you're not needing to change temperature many times a day, the setup described will last you for many, many years.  I've never seen one fail despite having, in the past, half a dozen engineers all throwing them in and out the back of their vans every day - I've only ever seen one engineer actually break one - he'd smashed the top cover off, but it was dropped from a great height to achieve that.
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Re: Is this soldering station good?
« Reply #11 on: 07 October, 2011, 08:09:41 am »
Thanks.  I do want proper temperature control.  I might up the budget.  It could actually save money if it helps me repair stuff.
It's not a real issue with the weller magnastat irons - the no. 7 tips work fine with normal 60/40 tin/lead solder. I've never needed a different temperature range for general work.

My favourite for actual solder is Muticore's Savbit. There's a bit of copper in the formulation and it does help reduce bit wear (although that's not a massive issue with a proper pro iron) - it also has a good flux so clears oxide layers quickly and "wets" well. It's not cheap, but a 500g reel of 1.22mm would last forever for general home light electrical use.

Re: Is this soldering station good?
« Reply #12 on: 07 October, 2011, 08:27:42 am »
Is this Maplin one any good?: http://www.maplin.co.uk/60w-professional-lcd-solder-station-with-esd-protection-511927
I have one.  It is fine.  The impressive thing is how quickly it heats up.

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would the tips with the above iron be good with leaded solder?
That is all I have and have notoiced no problems.

I too share some doubts about availability of tips in a few years time.  It comes supplied with a few different sizes, enough to see me ok for a number of years.

Equally I'd prefer a Weller having used them for many years.  I gave my last one away 15 years ago when having a massive clearout.  The amount of soldering I do is minimal because I cannot clearly see small items at close range any more (old age) so the Maplin one wil suffice.

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Re: Is this soldering station good?
« Reply #13 on: 07 October, 2011, 08:53:27 am »
I could stock up on tips in advance.

Do you have a magnifying aid, tatanab?  See the video above for suggestions of various magnifiers.
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Re: Is this soldering station good?
« Reply #14 on: 07 October, 2011, 09:55:48 am »
I note Kim has not pronounced on her top ten irons yet.
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Re: Is this soldering station good?
« Reply #15 on: 07 October, 2011, 10:01:33 am »
I just watched that vid and am looking forward to part II.

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Re: Is this soldering station good?
« Reply #16 on: 07 October, 2011, 01:02:59 pm »
I note Kim has not pronounced on her top ten irons yet.

Oh, don't ask me!  My shiniest soldering iron (not counting the gas one, which gets bonus pyro points) is a £30 Craplin job I got for half price in a sale.  It has temperature control, in as much that there's a knob to adjust the duty cycle of the power to the heading element, but isn't thermostatic or anything.

I've had the pleasure of using proper Weller temperature-controlled irons, and they are undeniably lovely, especially on the chunky stuff like connectors, but I've not yet felt compelled to buy one.  I'd rather save up for proper SMD soldering gear (SMD soldering with a cheapo iron is possible, but not recommended).

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Re: Is this soldering station good?
« Reply #17 on: 07 October, 2011, 01:10:55 pm »
I could ask what SMD soldering is or failing that google it but that's how you get sucked in...

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Re: Is this soldering station good?
« Reply #18 on: 07 October, 2011, 01:15:14 pm »
I could ask what SMD soldering is or failing that google it but that's how you get sucked in...

Surface-mount devices.

Fiddly-fine micro electronics components. Imagine trying to glue your own dandruff together in an orderly fashion and you'll get the idea...
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Re: Is this soldering station good?
« Reply #19 on: 07 October, 2011, 01:22:44 pm »
x-posted with Woofage.

Surface mount devices.  Components soldered straight on top of boards without holes.  You see it in modern products with incredibly tiny components.

You're solder-sucked in.  :)

I'm not clever enough to design my own circuits, but I try to fix things myself if I can.  I buggered up my old PVR, partly because my soldering iron was too big and crap, and my solder too crap (not melting quickly enough).  So decent kit at last could be a good investment.

Ausie Dave (my new hero) recommends a properly temperature-controlled station, rather than doing it via changing tips, and chisel tips, and very fine (<0.5mm) leaded solder. 
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Re: Is this soldering station good?
« Reply #20 on: 07 October, 2011, 01:36:57 pm »
I used to carry a gas soldering iron.  I had found that there were a lot of places where I needed to solder things where there wasn't a 13a supply.  It was a thing of joy and wonder every time I sparked it up. 

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Re: Is this soldering station good?
« Reply #21 on: 07 October, 2011, 01:46:44 pm »
I could ask what SMD soldering is or failing that google it but that's how you get sucked in...

Surface-mount devices.

Fiddly-fine micro electronics components. Imagine trying to glue your own dandruff together in an orderly fashion and you'll get the idea...

Modifying an SMD circuit or replacing a component looks like a nightmare.  However I'm quite tempted to try the SMD-in-a-toaster-over thing one day (which is pretty close to how things are done commercially).
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Re: Is this soldering station good?
« Reply #22 on: 07 October, 2011, 09:19:10 pm »
I could ask what SMD soldering is or failing that google it but that's how you get sucked in...

Surface-mount devices.

Fiddly-fine micro electronics components. Imagine trying to glue your own dandruff together in an orderly fashion and you'll get the idea...


Modifying an SMD circuit or replacing a component looks like a nightmare.  However I'm quite tempted to try the SMD-in-a-toaster-over thing one day (which is pretty close to how things are done commercially).


It's relatively straightforward, given the right kit, to repair surface mount. With a good rework station most components can be replaced, even balled components (interconnections are balls of solder arranged in an array under the component rather than leads sticking out of the side) can be removed and replaced.

Re: Is this soldering station good?
« Reply #23 on: 07 October, 2011, 09:32:13 pm »
SMD  :hand:

I've been disconcerted to find since I left pro electronics in 2002 that my eyesight isn't what it was. I don't think I could do SMT mods and rework now  :-\ It was routine back in the day when I was trying to debug and fix boards I had designed.

There is nothing scarier than seeing a technician take a 208 pin chip off a board with a hot air gun, slap a bit of solder paste on and nuke a replacement on with the same gun  :o I never had the bottle to try that trick.

Re: Is this soldering station good?
« Reply #24 on: 07 October, 2011, 10:16:32 pm »
Professionally I've been using Weller soldering irons for the last twenty years.  Our technician uses them for soldering flight equipment.

Most of our boards have some surface mount components on now, and most of the large stupidly expensive components are surface mount.

When a device costs £20000, you don't quibble about the cost of the soldering iron however!

(We don't use sockets on flight hardware (i) because it's unnecessary mass (ii) it's another single point of failure (iii) we'll rarely be in a position to replace a component anyway (iv) there's a good chance it wouldn't tolerate the vibration testing, unmanned spacecraft launches are vicious).

Generally when a component has to be removed from a flight board, we'll cut the legs off carefully, and remove them individually, to minimise any damage to the PCB tracks.  We really don't like doing things like that though.

We don't use devices like BGAs (Ball Grid Array) and CCGAs (Ceramic Column Grid Array), because they're damned near impossible to reliably solder by hand, you need very specialised and expensive equipment, and even then, it's impossible to visually inspect the joints, you really need to X-Ray the board, which is a damned nuisance.  Mostly we can live with large CQFP (Ceramic Quad Flat Pack), but they can eat up board space.

Our technician has a fairly big bit of optical kit for looking at boards whilst working on them.


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