Author Topic: Bow roundabout gets new cycle priority lights  (Read 1958 times)

Re: Bow roundabout gets new cycle priority lights
« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2012, 06:30:15 PM »
However, I do take issue with your comments on traffic lights. While, the only motivation for their installation will have been to make the junction work for the volume of motor traffic, traffic lights do improve conditions for cyclists enormously. They solve the two biggest problems cyclists suffer at large roundabouts:-
1: Drivers failing to give way to cyclists on the roundabout.
2: Having to filter into a gap in a high speed traffic flow.
They also reduce the speed of traffic.

Yes, a large busy roundabout will always be unattractive for vulnerable road users, but I would prefer to tackle a large busy roundabout interrupted by traffic lights (and preferably spiral lane markings) than a large busy high-speed free-flowing roundabout any day.
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Re: Bow roundabout gets new cycle priority lights
« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2012, 08:25:14 AM »
The kerb prevents cyclists from getting into the Primary Position early, and it (and the blue lane beyond) encourages the idea that cyclists should always keep left.

The whole kerb and the whole cycle lane should be removed.  Cyclists should be encouraged to ride in the middle of the lane near and through the junction, and at the junction motorist should be limited to 10mph and be banned from overtaking cycles.

While given the current state of our roads I'll agree that a cyclist approaching this junction or any other should be getting into the primary position in order to vehicular cycle round the roundabout or junction, I've been considering a different point of view of late. That point of view is that i'm prepared to do that because I've been on the bike for years, since I was a kid and I'm fairly confident that If I have to I can drop the hammer speed wise to get round and force my way into primary through sheer force of will.

There is a class of cyclists that often don't feel confident enough to do this though and they are more important that those of us who consider ourselves experienced cyclists. They are novices and non-cyclists. Yep non-cyclists, people who could cycle and quite like the idea but won't because they are absolutely terrified of have to dice with traffic.  Which is where the Dutch really win, they don't need to have to worry about, getting into primary or avoiding obstacles or motorists not paying attention because the road has been properly designed so that anyone could walk or cycle not just the experience cyclists.

I like to use my Girlfriend as a test case, she's bought a little folding bike and is about to have cycling lessons with the council :-). This is a win, but not quite. There is no way in hell I could get her to take primary on that roundabout even with me playing tail end charlie, or after her training course, nor my mum who cycles to work everyday, nor any multitude of everyday folk who would like to use their bikes to get to places.

Asking motorists to stick to a speed limit and pay attention and be nice is like trying to put a fart back in, pointless. There's no will to enforce their crimes to any serious degree, so the only solution is to reduce their numbers by presenting a serious, safe alternative so the not-yet-cyclists can get out of their cars and join us on bikes.
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Re: Bow roundabout gets new cycle priority lights
« Reply #27 on: June 14, 2012, 09:22:50 AM »
Someone on an architecture forum took some snaps:



Laser death stare from the dog there.

Interesting picture. Is the cyclist using the "motor" lane because he wants to go straight on or turn right at the roundabout and he thinks he'll be trapped on the left if he uses the cycle lane?

And is the driver (or dog) in the blue car (which is much too close to the cyclist, but that's probably the cyclist's fault) having a go at him and telling him to "get on the fackin' cycle lane" which is, of course, always the problem with segregated facilities.
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Re: Bow roundabout gets new cycle priority lights
« Reply #28 on: June 14, 2012, 09:57:06 AM »
Or has the cyclist been shuffling up the kerb and is adjusting the car's mirror, having knocked it with his handlebar?

More interesting though is why he's using the "motor lane" or not using the cycle lane. If he is intending to turn right, he's still going to have problems from that position.
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Re: Bow roundabout gets new cycle priority lights
« Reply #29 on: June 14, 2012, 10:21:09 AM »
Round here we have a junction with a curbed cycle lane and its own lights. Used to be on my regular commute. In 15 years I don't recall ever using it - the car lane would be on green and the bike lane on red. So, having a modicum of common sense, I chose the green every time.

Discussed with our friendly head of highways and wondered what the point might be of such a waste of money and was told "safety". As I'd never seen a cyclist using it, I'm still puzzled as to whose safety it might improve.

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Re: Bow roundabout gets new cycle priority lights
« Reply #30 on: June 15, 2012, 10:34:41 AM »
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