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Re: Tour de France 2012
« Reply #950 on: July 22, 2012, 09:38:22 AM »
Just wondering to what extent people reckon winning the TdF is a team effort? 
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Re: Tour de France 2012
« Reply #951 on: July 22, 2012, 09:44:40 AM »
Just wondering to what extent people reckon winning the TdF is a team effort?

I imagine at least all the riders in the TdeF who weren't riding for SKY.

Re: Tour de France 2012
« Reply #952 on: July 22, 2012, 09:55:22 AM »
Methinks there will be many an overloaded bandwagon doing the rounds in thr future ;D
Aye, and a short period of boundless and, alas, unfulfilled, optimism about everyday cycling such as commuting.  Even Chris Boardman was at it on the ITV4 summary show last night.

However what it might have done is shown the impressionable/interested youngsters of 8 or 9 years and upwards that it is possible to be British and to be a world beating cyclist and that has got to be a good thing for the long term future of sport (if not everyday) related cycling.

BTW, as an everyday cyclist, I desperately want to believe that CB is right about cycling becoming normalised.

I'm not sure it requires belief as such, as unlike many schemes investing in social change, it appears that the new funding in the sport is being invested by those who understand the sport, and in parallel with investment in competitive cycling have been investments in inclusive grass-roots opportunities.  All of which benefits from the general resurgence in cycling, the increasing cycle route provision, investment in cycle training, the cycle to work scheme, the growing popularity of sportives and so on.  And unlike other sports, cycling has it's utilitarian aspect - having a tennis raquet or football doesn't help you if you need to get a pint of milk, so there's an obvious trickle-down.

I'm pleased for Halfords too, given their continued investment in the sport, i think their 'Tour de Francis' campaign has been well pitched - showing an ordinary bloke can take an ordinary bike and ride tour stages - and celebrating at the Champs Elysees suggests they must've had an eye for a British win.

It'll be interesting to see what happens today but given the team spirit and the lead out train (providing that train doesn't try leading out too soon again!) Cav must have a fantastic opportunity in front of crowds bolstered by thousands who've channel hopped, and then it's off to the Olympics, if Cav storms it today and they carry that energy into the Olympics then it will be huge, if they then blow everyone away at the Olympics then it'll go to another level - and then there's the trackies after that! 

But for me the best thing about watching Team Sky has been the commitment to team mates and teamwork (andyoxon - just re-watch the stages or listen to the interviews it is absolutely a team effort), same goes for likes of Chris Hoy, very modest and unassuming and very respectful of others in spite of his awesome strength - a great advert and a great example.

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Re: Tour de France 2012
« Reply #953 on: July 22, 2012, 09:59:04 AM »

What a strange dichotomy, the French love and participation in cycling versus the general British apathy, and yet the British dominance in competition versus the French.......meh.  I mean 3 French winners in 45 years !!!  That's a fairly terrible return on what is considered a national sport.  Down there with England and Football.



But between them they've won 9 tours. You don't have to go much further back to include Aimar, Pingeon and Anquetil - and another 7 wins

Go back to 1903 and France have 36 victories - twice that of Belgium.

Same could be said for other historically strong cycling nations - Italy, Belgium, Holland - the last 20 years (Tour de France) being dominated by Spain and America.

We've been dreaming of a British winner since Tom Simpson's 60's and have been beaten to the podium by the Irish, Australians and Americans :(

The French haven't had a bad Tour this year with stage wins and KOM.

I've been waiting to celebrate a British win since I started cycling back in the 70's - chearing Hoban's stage wins when listening to the results on Phil Ligget's daily radio report - let's not put other nations down in the process ;)

edit - by dominance in competition you are of course referring to their national Tour (and possibly extended to the pro road circuit). If you include track, MTB, cyclo cross, BMX - the French as a nation are not doing too badly in the cycle sport world.

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Re: Tour de France 2012
« Reply #954 on: July 22, 2012, 10:44:16 AM »
The assumption seems to be that Froome will win the Tour regardless of which team he's on. This is far from certain. If he joins another team, it better be one that can offer him the same level of support as he gets at Sky, or he could just end up being the next David Moncoutie.

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+1. I'm surprised at the number of people commenting on various fora who don't realise this. If they ended up in teams with cr@p rider support, strategy, tactics or technology, any of the Sky team would be less than they are now (and if I were Sky I'd be thinking about signing up Van Garderen and Thibaut Pinot).
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Re: Tour de France 2012
« Reply #955 on: July 22, 2012, 10:53:36 AM »
Is it clever marketing by Sky not to be showing the cycling on television?

Re: Tour de France 2012
« Reply #956 on: July 22, 2012, 10:57:13 AM »
Both Thibaut Pinot and Brad Wiggins pressed the stop button on the SRM computer as they crossed the line in yesterday's TT so perhaps TP has more of an 'Anglo'/Sky approach to cycling than some of his compatriots. inrng mentioned that Sky had been keeping an eye on him. 

Good news:  There will be an ITV4 camera in the Sky team car on today's stage.  Bad news: there will also be a James Murdoch.

Re: Tour de France 2012
« Reply #957 on: July 22, 2012, 10:59:16 AM »
Let's hope BSkyB don't outbid ITV for it next year.  With a surge in viewer numbers, Sky may well want it, although it's all generic coverage and they won't be able to bring in their own fancy $ky Sports camera angles.  Unlike a few football tournaments and Wimbledon*, the TdF is not one of the "crown jewels" that has to be shown on public TV in the UK.


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Re: Tour de France 2012
« Reply #958 on: July 22, 2012, 11:11:53 AM »
The assumption seems to be that Froome will win the Tour regardless of which team he's on. This is far from certain. If he joins another team, it better be one that can offer him the same level of support as he gets at Sky, or he could just end up being the next David Moncoutie.

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+1. I'm surprised at the number of people commenting on various fora who don't realise this. If they ended up in teams with cr@p rider support, strategy, tactics or technology, any of the Sky team would be less than they are now (and if I were Sky I'd be thinking about signing up Van Garderen and Thibaut Pinot).

+another 1. This year was clearly going to be Brad's best shot at a win- between his training regime and the route being (more) favourable to his strengths, regardless of the opposition. That was the plan Sky had, and they executed it brilliantly. If Froome had tried to do his own thing and attacked Brad I can't imagine it would do much for his career prospects (putting it mildly) and it might have well cost both of them the podium. If Prudhomme et al do make next year favour the climbers to a greater extent, then Froome probably will be team leader with Wiggo as plan B. And there's still the Vuelta and Giro to consider!

Re: Tour de France 2012
« Reply #959 on: July 22, 2012, 11:39:49 AM »
Let's hope BSkyB don't outbid ITV for it next year. 
That reminds me.

Thank you BBC for losing F1 and now showing only highlights for most races. Today the German GP highlights start after the TdF.  :thumbsup:

Re: Tour de France 2012
« Reply #960 on: July 22, 2012, 11:42:09 AM »
Let's hope BSkyB don't outbid ITV for it next year. 
That reminds me.

Thank you BBC for losing F1 and now showing only highlights for most races. Today the German GP highlights start after the TdF.  :thumbsup:

Sky have a free weekend for their sports channels this weekend.

Re: Tour de France 2012
« Reply #961 on: July 22, 2012, 11:52:10 AM »
Does that mean anyone can watch them, ie from Freeview??

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Re: Tour de France 2012
« Reply #962 on: July 22, 2012, 12:16:55 PM »
No, just that if you're a Sky subscriber that doesn't have the Sky Sports pack, the channels are unlocked this weekend.

Although the standard HD pack already has Sky Sports F1 HD and Eurosport HD so I'm sorted anyway.
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Tour de France 2012
« Reply #963 on: July 22, 2012, 01:54:26 PM »
*and, once, Test cricket, until Sky proved that money talks and bullshit walks.

I've been watching some of the Eng v SA Test match this weekend, thanks to Sky Sports being free, and I realised how out of touch with cricket I now am. I used to be an avid follower and reasonably knowledgeable until Sky bought the rights...

If Sky want to buy cycling, they'll have to outbid not just ITV but Eurosport too - no point having it on Sky Sports when it's free to air on Eurosport. Not sure how they could tie up an exclusive deal in the way they've done with football and cricket.

Anyway, isn't part of the reason Sky back cycling precisely because it gives them loads of brand exposure on other channels?
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Re: Tour de France 2012
« Reply #964 on: July 22, 2012, 01:56:01 PM »
How long has Brailsford been working on this?  I know he said in interview that his Beijing plans started before Athens, and were part of an ongoing plan to develop talent in great depth.  That means that this Tour isn't just a one or two-year thing, ultimately, it's something like a ten year plan.

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Re: Tour de France 2012
« Reply #965 on: July 22, 2012, 02:24:24 PM »
For some reason today I keep thinking what would have happened with the Linda McCartney cycling team if she hadnt passed away.

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Re: Tour de France 2012
« Reply #966 on: July 22, 2012, 02:27:23 PM »
How long has Brailsford been working on this?

I don't know buy going by Sky's message on the forum 3.5 years ago he was already working on it then, with a 5 year target that has just been achieved.

Re: Tour de France 2012
« Reply #967 on: July 22, 2012, 02:29:59 PM »
Some rather familiar riding at the moment for anyone who's done PBP. They also seem to be riding at (sub) Audax pace.
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Re: Tour de France 2012
« Reply #968 on: July 22, 2012, 02:37:42 PM »
The Danes/Norwegians @ Joan of Arc are going for it - the 20 kegs may be helping :-D
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Re: Tour de France 2012
« Reply #969 on: July 22, 2012, 02:38:27 PM »
Some rather familiar riding at the moment for anyone who's done PBP. They also seem to be riding at (sub) Audax pace.

Only 40 km in the first hour and a half.....slower than usual race pace, but not that slow!

Re: Tour de France 2012
« Reply #970 on: July 22, 2012, 04:25:16 PM »
Whooooooo!  ;D
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Re: Tour de France 2012
« Reply #971 on: July 22, 2012, 04:26:44 PM »
YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! 

I'm blubbing...

Re: Tour de France 2012
« Reply #972 on: July 22, 2012, 04:30:20 PM »
What a finish!  What a result!    :thumbsup:
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Re: Tour de France 2012
« Reply #973 on: July 22, 2012, 04:45:26 PM »
YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! 

I'm blubbing...

Oh good.  Not just me then.  I just got seriously emotional.
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Re: Tour de France 2012
« Reply #974 on: July 22, 2012, 04:52:41 PM »
Christ, someone's strangling a cat now...
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