Author Topic: KTTR take 3 - North York Moors social ride, 22/09/2012 (Read 3673 times)

Deano · « **on:** July 23, 2012, 11:30:18 AM »

Anybody fancy this again? It's a well-established route by now, a flattish 10-mile run from Yarm to Great Ayton, a hilly 30-mile loop around the Moors with a pub stop, and the same route back to Yarm. A start in Great Ayton is also possible.

Last year's ride was here: http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=47802.0

It's not an easy route, but we've never been quick about it, so all welcome. It's a beautiful, quiet route through the Moors, crossing several valleys up to Blakey Ridge, the wonderful downhill swoop of Little Fryupdale, and a few more hills on the way back, though they're mostly gentler than the way out (with a couple of serious exceptions). We are mostly riding close to the Eskdale railway, so bail-out options are available, even if the trains are a bit infrequent.

The route is here

For anyone overnighting, the camping barn at Kildale is close to Great Ayton, or Great Ayton and Yarm have a few B&Bs.

Meet at Yarm Station, 9.30 am, Saturday 22nd September 2012

So who's in?

Cast list:

meeting at Yarm station

tiermat
shyumu
Phantasmagoria
Luke
interzen

meeting at Suggitts, Great Ayton

Crinkly Uncle
Crinkly Auntie
CrinklyLion + Cub
lanternrouge + 1

tiermat · « **Reply #1 on:** July 23, 2012, 11:31:39 AM »

Count me in

CrinklyLion · « **Reply #2 on:** July 23, 2012, 11:35:26 AM »

22nd would involve some pretty big favours. I'll see what I can do...

Deano · « **Reply #3 on:** July 23, 2012, 11:55:17 AM »

Come if you can.

But send the cakes if you can't...

shyumu · « **Reply #4 on:** July 23, 2012, 12:31:34 PM »

It's on the calendar now. That's a yes from me and a yes from daisyhill. I'll be trying to persuade #1 daughter to come along, although my powers of persuasion with my kin are low.

Paging newtoncap, paging newtoncap. Fancy doing something sociable rather than the Witham Wheeler's club runs you've been digging deep for all year?

Deano · « **Reply #5 on:** July 23, 2012, 12:32:40 PM »

Excellent!

Deano · « **Reply #6 on:** July 23, 2012, 12:44:11 PM »

By the way, does anyone have any experience of this road/bridleway between Castleton and Commondale?

http://streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x=468122&y=508760&z=120&sv=468122,508760&st=4&ar=y&mapp=map.srf&searchp=ids.srf&dn=702&ax=468122&ay=508760&lm=0

It misses off a bit of the climb, and the hairy descent of Sandhill Bank, so it looks potentially easier, but I don't know what the surface is like. I do like the airy, endless skies up Three Howes Rigg, mind, and I don't really want to miss that, but some people might appreciate an easier option by that point.

shyumu · « **Reply #7 on:** July 23, 2012, 12:53:49 PM »

I know that route, ridden it twice, once in the dry on a tourer and wished I hadn't, once on a MTB in the deep mud. There are stones, rough surfaces, steep offroad-esq climbs - fantastic fun unless you've brought the wrong bike.

I don't recommend it.

Rather than head up to White Cross and down Sand Hill (which is a tough ask), how about going a little further through Castleton and taking the right to Commondale Moor. That road surface is lovely and the route is very pretty. You have to get out of Castleton, but the climb is much easier than the climb to White Cross.

Deano · « **Reply #8 on:** July 23, 2012, 12:57:52 PM »

Cheers! I'll scratch that off my list.

I know that route out of Castleton - it is a bit easier, so we'll see. I do like that ridge..

Kim · « **Reply #9 on:** July 23, 2012, 12:58:59 PM »

Quote from: Deano on July 23, 2012, 12:44:11 PM

By the way, does anyone have any experience of this road/bridleway between Castleton and Commondale?

Rower40 and I rode that in January. I was on the hybrid with Marathon Winters, and had no trouble (indeed they were awesomely grippy). He was on the Orange Bling with road tyres and found the initial descent quite iffy. It's mostly firmly set railway ballast size stones, with a bit of mud and loose gravel in places, but no shark infestation (though plenty of badly-positioned sheep). Heavily rutted in places, and while the sign suggests it's open for wheelchair users, I think you'd need insane amounts of optimism to take a multi-track HPV of any flavour along it.

Cyclocross tyres or liberal use of the 24" gear (or a Landrover) recommended.

ETA: crosspost with shyumu

Mr Bunbury · « **Reply #10 on:** July 23, 2012, 12:59:11 PM »

I'd love to join you, but I'll be cycling across Italy that day. What a shame.

phantasmagoriana · « **Reply #11 on:** July 23, 2012, 01:01:48 PM »

Does this involve both hills and COR?

Kim · « **Reply #12 on:** July 23, 2012, 01:14:12 PM »

COR is much more fun when it's hilly.

rower40 · « **Reply #13 on:** July 23, 2012, 01:23:06 PM »

Quote from: Kim on July 23, 2012, 12:58:59 PM

Quote from: Deano on July 23, 2012, 12:44:11 PM
By the way, does anyone have any experience of this road/bridleway between Castleton and Commondale?

Rower40 and I rode that in January. He was on the Orange Bling with road tyres and found the initial descent quite iffy. It's mostly firmly set railway ballast size stones, with a bit of mud and loose gravel in places, but no shark infestation (though plenty of badly-positioned sheep). Heavily rutted in places, and while the sign suggests it's open for wheelchair users, I think you'd need insane amounts of optimism to take a multi-track HPV of any flavour along it.

Yebbut I'm a fenlander. Anything with a "1:n" downhill gradient (where n<100) is always iffy.
The other specific weather-related issue with that path was bright sunshine on wet stones (or were they whetstones?). Very unlikely for there to be sun in September...

Peter · « **Reply #14 on:** July 23, 2012, 01:33:48 PM »

It's looking like I can't do the Carlisle ride, now but I might be able to do this.

shyumu · « **Reply #15 on:** July 23, 2012, 01:59:57 PM »

Goody!

Deano · « **Reply #16 on:** July 23, 2012, 02:01:05 PM »

Quote from: phantasmagoriana on July 23, 2012, 01:01:48 PM

Does this involve both hills and COR?

No COR on this ride.

...unless you ask nicely

CrinklyLion · « **Reply #17 on:** July 23, 2012, 03:33:54 PM »

Put it this way Phantasmagoriana, I only walked a tiny bit last year. And am seriously contemplating bringing a 10 yo on a road bike. And LindaG rode it on her fairy fart lightweight bling once.

mcshroom · « **Reply #18 on:** July 23, 2012, 03:52:18 PM »

I'm probably in - it's the first day of a week of leave and so may be touring.

rower40 · « **Reply #19 on:** July 23, 2012, 03:59:01 PM »

Quote from: Deano on July 23, 2012, 12:44:11 PM

By the way, does anyone have any experience of this road/bridleway between Castleton and Commondale?

It misses off a bit of the climb, and the hairy descent of Sandhill Bank, so it looks potentially easier, but I don't know what the surface is like. I do like the airy, endless skies up Three Howes Rigg, mind, and I don't really want to miss that, but some people might appreciate an easier option by that point.

Quote from: Kim on July 23, 2012, 12:58:59 PM

Rower40 and I rode that in January. I was on the hybrid with Marathon Winters, and had no trouble (indeed they were awesomely grippy). He was on the Orange Bling with road tyres and found the initial descent quite iffy. It's mostly firmly set railway ballast size stones, with a bit of mud and loose gravel in places, but no shark infestation (though plenty of badly-positioned sheep). Heavily rutted in places, and while the sign suggests it's open for wheelchair users, I think you'd need insane amounts of optimism to take a multi-track HPV of any flavour along it.

After reading all the above caveats, have a look here with appropriate zoomage. That's my tracker's recollection of where Kim and I went, and it would suggest that we took only 15 mins or so to cover the section from one station to the next, with speeds in single figures (mph). So walking it would only take half an hour.

It doesn't show the sheeps' positions thobut, so I wouldn't use this brand of technology for collision-avoidance. Unless the local farmer has fitted them ALL with trackers in the last year.

Deano · « **Reply #20 on:** July 23, 2012, 04:29:38 PM »

Thanks for all your efforts and advice, but we're not going that way.

CrinklyLion · « **Reply #21 on:** July 23, 2012, 04:52:00 PM »

Btw, I don't think you should change the route at all.

Because it is perfect as is. So nurr!

newtoncap · « **Reply #22 on:** July 23, 2012, 06:36:13 PM »

Count me in - I do love this ride!

Deano · « **Reply #23 on:** July 23, 2012, 08:43:33 PM »

Quote from: CrinklyLion on July 23, 2012, 04:52:00 PM

Btw, I don't think you should change the route at all.

Because it is perfect as is. So nurr!

Well, I don't really want to change it, either, but that lane has always looked so promising from the Castleton end.

..We could include it on Phil's night ride instead?

shyumu · « **Reply #24 on:** July 23, 2012, 08:54:04 PM »

Quote from: newtoncap on July 23, 2012, 06:36:13 PM

Count me in - I do love this ride!

Goody!

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