Post by: salar55 on 07 March, 2021, 02:53:41 pm
Post by: matthew on 07 March, 2021, 08:41:28 pm
It will never happen but I think it might be rather poetic.
Post by: Peter on 07 March, 2021, 08:45:51 pm
Post by: John Stonebridge on 08 March, 2021, 09:32:51 am
Post by: jimmea on 08 March, 2021, 09:43:09 am
Post by: salar55 on 08 March, 2021, 04:28:14 pm
Post by: eckagain on 08 March, 2021, 04:33:10 pm
I come from Kirkcaldy originally, therefore have no interest in the fitba'. :thumbsup:
Post by: salar55 on 08 March, 2021, 04:42:01 pm
Post by: matthew on 08 March, 2021, 05:20:03 pm
My comment was in jest but given the failure of the fans to control their celebrations (locally, in NI and in Corby) it might seem less unreasonable.
I agree though there were issues with the Celtic fans gathering to call for their managers head before christmas. Maybe the title should be awarded to Hibs or Aberdeen just so all Glaswegians can be united in their disappointment. :demon:
Post by: salar55 on 08 March, 2021, 06:26:43 pm
Post by: FifeingEejit on 08 March, 2021, 06:52:02 pm
Don't you just love sore loosers, they even turn on the managers. Tribal warfare still is a part of Glasgows culture as seen in the last post by WCTD 🤭. Rangers will have a tough time against Slavia Prague but you never know.
TBF the only people in Scottish football who believe (the) Rangers have won 55 trophies are their own fans and possibly Clydebank while trying to claim Airdrieonians history along with their name.
;D
Post by: salar55 on 08 March, 2021, 08:00:39 pm
Post by: John Stonebridge on 10 March, 2021, 12:13:57 pm
I can see it being moved to the nearest Police Scotland can find to a graveyard slot - so it wont be held at the weekend. I can see it taking place the following day with a KO early enough to at least try and deter the bams. Maybe 1600 or so and the polis will do a rain dance (not always required in Glasgow mind).
Of course that slot will no doubt upset Sky whose entire coverage of Scottish football is centred round Celtic & Rangers and in particular the contractual obligation to have four games between them each season. On this occasion they are probably best not to quibble - they'll have Police Scotland & the Scottish Government itching to flex their muscles and call it off entirely.
Post by: salar55 on 10 March, 2021, 10:14:50 pm
Post by: FifeingEejit on 10 March, 2021, 11:00:49 pm
Any predictions for the Celtic v Rangers game scheduled currently for Sunday 21st March with a 1200 KO? I mean off the pitch.
I can see it being moved to the nearest Police Scotland can find to a graveyard slot - so it wont be held at the weekend. I can see it taking place the following day with a KO early enough to at least try and deter the bams. Maybe 1600 or so and the polis will do a rain dance (not always required in Glasgow mind).
Of course that slot will no doubt upset Sky whose entire coverage of Scottish football is centred round Celtic & Rangers and in particular the contractual obligation to have four games between them each season. On this occasion they are probably best not to quibble - they'll have Police Scotland & the Scottish Government itching to flex their muscles and call it off entirely.
7am while they're still hungover?
Since when did Fans of the twa cheeks work?
Post by: jimmea on 11 March, 2021, 07:35:09 am
Every cyclist in Scotland wants the old firm game, guarantees empty roads . ;D
There is no old firm anymore, The old firm derby ceased in 2012 when Rangers were liquidated in 2012 and Charles Green bought the assets and formed a new company called Sevco 5088, later changed to RIFC, this company had to apply to join the Scottish leagues and this was accepted by other members so the new company started from the bottom tier and had to work their way through the leagues.
The CVA agreement that Craig Whyte put forward was not only rejected by HMRC but by others such as convicted criminal Dave King who later went on to become chairman of the new company.
I can screenshot a picture of the liquidation document if you like, or if you can tell me when they paid all creditors and exited administration with the help of their fans, you know like Hearts did?
As Walter Smith ( and a few others) once said “I wish the new Rangers every success” or as QC for Charles Green stated at the court of session in Edinburgh “Rangers no longer exist, there is nothing now but assets. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a diehard fan that refuses to accept this”
All the evidence is there, even the face painter got shafted :) From the Herald 2012
NEWS
6th April 2012
From florists to a face painter: Small firms left out of pocket
By Mark Smith
THE total Rangers owes may be huge – up to £130 million – but the debt is made up of large and small amounts.
There is £26.7m owed to Ticketus, the firm Craig Whyte sold four years of season ticket revenue to, and £93m to HM Revenue and Customs but there is also £70 to a florist, £61 to a cleaning supplies company and £40 to a face painter.
The bigger debts also include £800,000 Rangers still owe Hearts for the transfer of Lee Wallace but many small business near Ibrox and across the west of Scotland are owed smaller amounts.
Post by: DuncanM on 11 March, 2021, 09:21:52 am
Post by: salar55 on 11 March, 2021, 10:15:35 am
The top tax figure owed is 650+ million Euro for the 4 Spanish clubs , you could say the tax man stopped Rangers paying what they owed to others.
Post by: Wowbagger on 11 March, 2021, 10:29:00 am
The same applies to all professional sport to one degree or another. I've never understood, for example, why Sunday cyclists feel better about themselves when they wear the colours of the commercial teams that dominate the Tour de France. At least football fans have the history and heritage of their clubs actually having some local ties, even if they are now owned by massive foreign conglomerates.
There's so much here which is a parallel to the Southend Football thread. Lots of sociology involved.
Post by: jimmea on 11 March, 2021, 10:33:55 am
There are still questions as to wether he paid tax on this deal too :P
Post by: salar55 on 11 March, 2021, 10:40:46 am
Post by: jimmea on 11 March, 2021, 10:54:27 am
If football was run under sensible commercial rules you would have to think that the likes of Brechin city or Dumbarton would have chance of doing the 10 in a row :facepalm:
Brechin, Dumbarton and many, many other clubs are run using a sensible business model, they only buy players they can afford !
They also don’t have a guy (Gavin Masterton) who was head of BoS and lending obscene amounts to Murray and his companies. The same guy was also the chairman of DAFC who lost 6-0 to the then Rangers on the last day of the season but yet, their players and management were celebrating in the then Rangers dressing room! It’s maybe a coincidence that the entire staff of DAFC went on an all expenses paid jolly to the Bahamas for 3 weeks.
I agree entirely with Wow’s sentiments above, I stopped becoming a paying customer of the club I supported when they started paying dividends to the major shareholders.
Post by: DuncanM on 11 March, 2021, 12:08:10 pm
I agree entirely with Wow’s sentiments above, I stopped becoming a paying customer of the club I supported when they started paying dividends to the major shareholders.Which clubs actually pay dividends? Manchester Utd for sure, and then? Most football clubs lose money day-to-day and need the ownership to put money in.
Post by: John Stonebridge on 11 March, 2021, 12:19:44 pm
Professional football is a massive con in which people are fooled into thinking they are supporting something with which they can identify/represents them but is primarily a massive business for others to get rich. It's a shame that the German model isn't more widespread, where the fans have a big stake in each club.
The same applies to all professional sport to one degree or another. I've never understood, for example, why Sunday cyclists feel better about themselves when they wear the colours of the commercial teams that dominate the Tour de France. At least football fans have the history and heritage of their clubs actually having some local ties, even if they are now owned by massive foreign conglomerates.
There's so much here which is a parallel to the Southend Football thread. Lots of sociology involved.
That's an interesting point WoW. I was part of a group of Falkirk FC fans and lifelong Season Ticket holders who put a proposal to the club in 2019-2020 to broaden out the ownership knowing that a couple of the then 6 major shareholders were looking to sell, along with a serious concern for how the club was being (mis) managed. While this involved a reasonably significant initial investment the longer term plan was to do something similar to Heart of Midlothian where fans would own the vast majority of the club through a fans foundation and regular monthly subs.
Some fairly dubious obstacles were put in our way and the upshot was that the club gave us the bums rush and ultimately sold a 26% stake in the club to Jim & Carrie Rawlins for around £350k last autumn (google then & Falkirk FC for the story but neither has any connection to town or club). This was broadly equivalent to the amount on offer from our group but we wanted a bigger stake of 50%. Either way the club is valued overall at somewhere between £1m - £1.3m.
Anyhow our fans group still exists, and our conclusion from this experience is that the club are actively opposed to fan ownership but cant say so openly. The fan base currently represents a very nice steady and predictable source of funds with no strings attached and they don't want to rock the boat by turning donations into share purchases which of course carry risk but also influence.
As you say it is a shame that we don't follow the German model but my experience of the last couple of years shows why exactly why my home town club doesn't want it. Given that the major shareholders mentioned above held their investment for about 20 years (in fairness to them they were part of the clubs rescue in 2001) and had been trying to sell for at least the final 5, their approach might only really bite them on the bum if and when they try to sell up.
Edit - and along with the members of the group I was involved in, the club ain't getting any more donations from us. We did some calculations that suggested that between us we covered around 1/3rd of the clubs off field revenue so big enough to get through the Boardroom door for a conversation but not enough to hold sway.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 11 March, 2021, 12:28:28 pm
Every cyclist in Scotland wants the old firm game, guarantees empty roads . ;D
There is no old firm anymore
Meet the new firm / Same as the old firm?
Post by: FifeingEejit on 11 March, 2021, 12:49:17 pm
Its business , i was made redundant buy a firm that went bust. Went to Europe for a couple of months cycling , if i took a job the redundancy money would be cut. Guess what, came back and was employed buy the same (company ?) people who ran the old one.. They paid top rate money so was always worth the risk.
The top tax figure owed is 650+ million Euro for the 4 Spanish clubs , you could say the tax man stopped Rangers paying what they owed to others.
The current Airdrieonians are Airdrie United who were Clydebank (who tried the same trick with East Stirling)
The original Airdrieonians died
They had to wait a number of years to reexist under their old name for legal and tax reasons.
Rangers Died.
Professional football is a massive con in which people are fooled into thinking they are supporting something with which they can identify/represents them but is primarily a massive business for others to get rich.
Not many people getting rich off Scottish football.
Meet the new firm / Same as the old firm?
Nah, one half of the new firm say EH a lot, and the other half pronounce their Wh's as Fih's
Post by: Mr Larrington on 11 March, 2021, 12:51:48 pm
Meet the new firm / Same as the old firm?
Nah, one half of the new firm say EH a lot […]
They’re Canadian?
Post by: jimmea on 11 March, 2021, 01:35:31 pm
Its business , i was made redundant buy a firm that went bust. Went to Europe for a couple of months cycling , if i took a job the redundancy money would be cut. Guess what, came back and was employed buy the same (company ?) people who ran the old one.. They paid top rate money so was always worth the risk.
The top tax figure owed is 650+ million Euro for the 4 Spanish clubs , you could say the tax man stopped Rangers paying what they owed to others.
The current Airdrieonians are Airdrie United who were Clydebank (who tried the same trick with East Stirling)
The original Airdrieonians died
They had to wait a number of years to reexist under their old name for legal and tax reasons.
Rangers Died.Professional football is a massive con in which people are fooled into thinking they are supporting something with which they can identify/represents them but is primarily a massive business for others to get rich.
Not many people getting rich off Scottish football.Meet the new firm / Same as the old firm?
Nah, one half of the new firm say EH a lot, and the other half pronounce their Wh's as Fih's
It was that man David Murray that caused the demise of the original Aidrie trying to get them to pay a huge sum to his company MIM for steel used to construct the stadium, money that only one bank would lend them, BoS no less and the signature of the man loaning the money was Gavin Masterton.
Post by: salar55 on 11 March, 2021, 04:15:23 pm
Post by: jimmea on 11 March, 2021, 04:37:18 pm
A lot ofhatefacts beingstirredaired here. 😂
FTFY
Post by: spesh on 11 March, 2021, 09:06:35 pm
Its business , i was made redundant buy a firm that went bust. Went to Europe for a couple of months cycling , if i took a job the redundancy money would be cut. Guess what, came back and was employed buy the same (company ?) people who ran the old one.. They paid top rate money so was always worth the risk.
The top tax figure owed is 650+ million Euro for the 4 Spanish clubs , you could say the tax man stopped Rangers paying what they owed to others.
The current Airdrieonians are Airdrie United who were Clydebank (who tried the same trick with East Stirling)
The original Airdrieonians died
They had to wait a number of years to reexist under their old name for legal and tax reasons.
Rangers Died.
Hotblack Desiato walts, the lot of 'em. ;)
Post by: jimmea on 11 March, 2021, 10:03:47 pm
Post by: FifeingEejit on 12 March, 2021, 01:06:24 am
A lot of hate being stirred up here.What? Football fans with polarizer and opposing opinions, never...
Haring the Old Firm is about all the rest can agree on, and hating The Rangers well...
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Post by: sg37409 on 16 March, 2021, 09:53:18 am
"We need to see strong leadership from the clubs," added Mr Hamilton. "So far we've seen a few videos but it needs to be continuing and there needs to be some kind of understanding about what the consequences of this are. Not just on an individual basis but in terms of what this could mean for the game."
I don't really think that either club has that much control over their fans (nor any club for that matter) but the stakes are really high here. Cancelling the match and/or winding up the season early will be an absolute last resort for the SPL. But I think public mood could support that given the recent behavior of the OF : the main thing against the government shutting it down early is the proximity to the election.
Post by: Jaded on 16 March, 2021, 09:58:38 am
Professional football is a massive con in which people are fooled into thinking they are supporting something with which they can identify/represents them but is primarily a massive business for others to get rich.
Maybe it is more acceptable to buy a club. Say it is green. Use it as a marketing tool.
Post by: salar55 on 16 March, 2021, 10:22:05 am