Author Topic: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2020  (Read 136113 times)

simonp

Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
« Reply #225 on: 30 April, 2018, 08:38:49 am »
My interpretation is that at 15km after Newtown which is when heading southbound. Somewhere around 470km at a guess - afternoon Sunday for me if I was riding.

JonB

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Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
« Reply #226 on: 30 April, 2018, 08:59:15 am »
Hi,
I have just got the route sheet and am trying to sort out the new section after new town. The instruction that is giving me most cause for concern is
15.3 RIGHT $ Llaith Ddu & follow to BWLCH SARNAU
Which I think is at 22.2.
BB
Yes, I agree. I had a go and it was the one I struggled with and my route currently has the right turn at 22km after Aberhafesp (the signage on street view fits with the description)

Has anyone put together some BCM 2018 gpx files please?
« Reply #227 on: 30 April, 2018, 09:43:32 am »
The route sheet has been sent out but there aren't any gpx files being produced as it is a Risk Management issue. Has anybody put together a downloadable route yet? Any help greatly appreciated  :)

Re: Has anyone put together some BCM 2018 gpx files please?
« Reply #228 on: 30 April, 2018, 10:01:24 am »
The route sheet has been sent out but there aren't any gpx files being produced as it is a Risk Management issue. Has anybody put together a downloadable route yet? Any help greatly appreciated  :)

It's an easy route to navigate. It only uses a dozen (or so) roads to follow.  You could even make a workable cue sheet using the routesheet as a master. And spend less time looking at the small screen and more time looking at the scenery.
where you have a concentration of power in a few hands, all too frequently men with the mentality of gangsters get control. History has proven that. Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Zed43

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Re: Has anyone put together some BCM 2018 gpx files please?
« Reply #229 on: 30 April, 2018, 10:10:54 am »
I'm working on it, based on some routes I found on ridewithgps and comments in threads about the previous editions. Hope to have this done tonight.

Re: Has anyone put together some BCM 2018 gpx files please?
« Reply #230 on: 30 April, 2018, 10:14:13 am »
Thanks Zed!

Manotea

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Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
« Reply #231 on: 30 April, 2018, 10:21:28 am »
Im riding over from London on the Friday and staying over at the Greenman hostel. Haven't sorted arrangements for the return yet.

Would be pleased to meet up with any full value riders likely to have a space in a car or planning to ride back towards London. :)

Zed43

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Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
« Reply #232 on: 30 April, 2018, 10:31:25 am »
I've been working on a GPX yesterday, and my interpretation is that you turn right from the A483 shortly after passing the baptist chapel.

There's quite a few variations to be found for the final stage from Llandrindod Wells to Chepstow, I'll probably load them all in my GPS and depending on how I'm doing time- and leg wise decide in Llandrindod Wells whether I'll tackle Gospel Pass or opt for a fast/flat/boring route using the A roads.

Ben T

Re: Has anyone put together some BCM 2018 gpx files please?
« Reply #233 on: 30 April, 2018, 10:43:06 am »
a tip is even if you need/want garmin navigation for some of the route you certainly don't need it for it all, so you can identify long stretches where you can turn your garmin off to save its battery, you can actually get round it on one set of batteries/charge by doing this even without particularly good knowledge of the route.

Re: Has anyone put together some BCM 2018 gpx files please?
« Reply #234 on: 30 April, 2018, 11:55:58 am »
a tip is even if you need/want garmin navigation for some of the route you certainly don't need it for it all, so you can identify long stretches where you can turn your garmin off to save its battery, you can actually get round it on one set of batteries/charge by doing this even without particularly good knowledge of the route.

Agreed Ben T.

You could probably program in controls and unit would pick the route for you.


Stage 2 when the route went from Bronllys to Tre'r Ddol, there were 5 roads to remember in 110km.

where you have a concentration of power in a few hands, all too frequently men with the mentality of gangsters get control. History has proven that. Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Re: Has anyone put together some BCM 2018 gpx files please?
« Reply #235 on: 30 April, 2018, 12:05:49 pm »

This is the RwGPS trace based on last year's routesheet which is the same as the one published on the Audax UK calendar event page. It is unchanged from 2016 (file has not been modified since 12-May-16).
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/20922029
You can export a gpx or a tcx from this with ease: (Tip: 'Export' tab in top right corner).
If an alternative e-mailed routesheet has:
"15.3 RIGHT $ Llaith Ddu & follow to BWLCH SARNAU"
that turn off the A483 at 461.7k implies a visit to and info/cafe control at Bwlch Sarnau - adds 2.2k and 70m of climb.
Glyndwr’s Way Cafe http://bwlchysarnau.org.uk/
Revised RwGPS: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/27369491

Re: Has anyone put together some BCM 2018 gpx files please?
« Reply #236 on: 30 April, 2018, 12:06:13 pm »
It's only easy if you've done it a few times. Then it becomes ridiculously easy.

But, you have to remember that in the dark, if exhausted and confused, things might not be so easy.

Re: Has anyone put together some BCM 2018 gpx files please?
« Reply #237 on: 30 April, 2018, 12:09:29 pm »
It's only easy if you've done it a few times. Then it becomes ridiculously easy.

But, you have to remember that in the dark, if exhausted and confused, things might not be so easy.
And remember that the route has changed, if it has.
I commend this turn instruction to all (will be darkish under the trees, unless front end):
327.6       34.4       LEFT onto A4085, $ PENRHYNDEUDRAETH

Re: Has anyone put together some BCM 2018 gpx files please?
« Reply #238 on: 30 April, 2018, 12:11:08 pm »
And don't get your front wheel caught in the tramlines.

Alex B

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Re: Has anyone put together some BCM 2018 gpx files please?
« Reply #239 on: 30 April, 2018, 01:35:09 pm »
"15.3 RIGHT $ Llaith Ddu & follow to BWLCH SARNAU"
that turn off the A483 at 461.7k implies a visit to and info/cafe control at Bwlch Sarnau - adds 2.2k and 70m of climb.

That looks a very nice tweak - scenic, and should reduce the Day 2 motorbike madness exposure a bit (I assume they stick mainly to the A road?)

Manotea

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Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
« Reply #240 on: 30 April, 2018, 05:00:58 pm »

This is the RwGPS trace based on last year's routesheet which is the same as the one published on the Audax UK calendar event page. It is unchanged from 2016 (file has not been modified since 12-May-16).
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/20922029
You can export a gpx or a tcx from this with ease: (Tip: 'Export' tab in top right corner).
If an alternative e-mailed routesheet has:
"15.3 RIGHT $ Llaith Ddu & follow to BWLCH SARNAU"
that turn off the A483 at 461.7k implies a visit to and info/cafe control at Bwlch Sarnau - adds 2.2k and 70m of climb.
Glyndwr’s Way Cafe http://bwlchysarnau.org.uk/
Revised RwGPS: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/27369491
Cafe *only* (?) open on selected Friday afternoons?

Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
« Reply #241 on: 30 April, 2018, 10:29:08 pm »
And since it's so close to the Herb Garden Café in L'd Wells, which is a control, I suspect many would pass it by. Hope it's open when Mille Cymru 3 goes through - it's @Undulates first control, I think

Bianchi Boy

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Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
« Reply #242 on: 01 May, 2018, 09:01:32 pm »
I have a space in the Severn View Travelodge on the Friday night. Room cost me £54 so £27 for the night.

PM me if you are interested.

BB
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whosatthewheel

Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
« Reply #243 on: 02 May, 2018, 09:30:39 am »
So, my understanding is that going via Hay + Gospel pass adds climbing but not mileage, correct?

Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
« Reply #244 on: 02 May, 2018, 01:34:30 pm »
So, my understanding is that going via Hay + Gospel pass adds climbing but not mileage, correct?
The BCM routesheet option is the revisited route out (from Boughrood/A470 junction) and from Llandrindod Wells to Chepstow that is 106k + 897m.
Going via Gospel Pass (you don't go into Hay) offers 1338m of delicious climb over 117km (which would make the overall distance over 600k). Enjoy, if only in prospect and retrospect.
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/27389568 (goes via Glasbury and Llanigon). From Pandy the route down to Chepstow is the reverse of the route out on the Brevet Cymru (routesheet version) via Monmouth and the A466 along the Wye valley (scenic but shorter B route options via Devauden are available).)
Riders may have other route preferences for the climb from the Wye to Gospel Pass but they're all roughly the same distance and climb. The road conditions vary but local knowledge is required, and merits balance against navigational complexity (tired brains and legs).

cyclinggeezer

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Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
« Reply #245 on: 02 May, 2018, 02:01:22 pm »
First time riding the BCM and just working through the route sheet and the gpx track advertised here.

Where precisely in Aberhafesp is the community centre? I cannot find it on Google street view, only a sign to the school which is the same site I am told. Is the name of the road Hillcrest the one you turn into?

I am chopping the track I have seen here into the various 8 stages to avoid confusion as you loop backward and forwards across Wales.

It appears from what I have read the odd individual has made some weird navigational errors in previous years.




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cyclinggeezer

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Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
« Reply #247 on: 02 May, 2018, 03:36:04 pm »
Thank you found it now, not where I expected it to be


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Manotea

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Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
« Reply #248 on: 02 May, 2018, 04:24:21 pm »
It appears from what I have read the odd individual has made some weird navigational errors in previous years.

First time I rode the BCM I spent half an hour looking for this control. How I laughed when I eventually found it.

See also the control at Bulch on the Brevet Cymru. Both examples of Controls off/set back from the main route.

I don't think it applies so much nowadays as it's more recognised there are more new riders taking part, but go back a while and the attitude was very much that there was no need to signpost controls because, 'everybody knew where they were' and providing any route guidence beyond a basic routesheet was to be abhored as 'spoonfeeding'.

That always struck me as a pretty callous attitude. It may work fine for stronger riders and those riding in groups but things are rather different at the back of the field where tired tailenders riding on their own are working hard simply to get round, and turn-offs for controls which aren't actually where the route sheets suggests they are are easily missed. See also routes that involve obscure off-road tracks and cut throughs which play havoc with follow route GPS routes.

Gosh, did I say that out loud?


mattc

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Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
« Reply #249 on: 02 May, 2018, 04:31:38 pm »
The old (i.e. 2+ years ago?) BCM routesheet was very clear at the Aberhafesp bit. I think.

And the Bwlch control [BC400] is actually ON the A40, isn't it??

I think Manotea may have ridden too many events ... :)
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