Yet Another Cycling Forum
Off Topic => The Pub => Arts and Entertainment => Topic started by: Wowbagger on 06 February, 2012, 11:19:26 am
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This thread is inspired by a reference to Elmer Fudd in another thread. I asked of Dez, in all innocence, who Elmer Fudd was. He was completely gobsmacked that I didn't know the name. When he showed me the cartoon I was vaguely aware of the character without actually knowing that it had a name.
That got me thinking: I don't ever remember seeing Bugs Bunny when I was a child. The cartoons I remember from watching television were Popeye, Huckleberry Hound, Yogi Bear, Mr. Jinx (who hated those meeces to pieces) and, later, Snagglepuss. Top Cat also turned up. In my teens, or possibly later, Tom and Jerry appeared, but I have no early recollection of Bugs Bunny, although clearly it's one of the original cartoons. Saturday morning cinema wasn't part of my childhood - in fact, I think by the time I left school my visits to the cinema still numbered in single figures.
Come to think of it, I don't recall watching any Mickey Mouse until I started teaching and being very impressed by a cartoon called "Mickey Mouse in Mathemagic Land".
By the time my children started watching, children's television had increased from the 55 minutes per day (I always remember feeling cheated in that it was referred to as "Children's Hour" but was 5 minutes short) that I knew, in which such gems as Animal Magic, Blue Peter (twice a week) and Crackerjack! took pride of place.
Which cartoons did you watch as a child? And how strongly do you remember them?
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Whacky Races of course, and Top Cat.
As a younger Volio I enjoyed the animated stuff like Trumpton & Tales of the Riverbank.
As a teenager, Capt Pugwash, and as a feckless student oaf it was Trapdoor, which I maintain is one of the finest cartoons ever made. Don't you open that trapdoor !
There was a lot of crap American cartoonery around but it never appealed (apart of course from WR & TC :))
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Which cartoons did you watch as a child? And how strongly do you remember them?
As a child: Tom and Jerry, Dungeons & Dragons
As a feckless student oaf: Ren and Stimpy (quite possibly the finest portrayal of a two dimensional psychotic chihuahua and his feline companion that I have ever seen)
As an adult: Beavis & Butt-Head and South Park.
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Popeye, The Flintstones and Bullwinkle (as a teenager).
I first saw Tom & Jerrymuch later and was instantly a fan. However, I never liked the other Loony Tunes characters. Especially Bugs Bunny.
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Tom & Jerry is my strongest memory and then the "Looney Tunes" characters (esp. Road-Runner/Wile E Coyote). These used to win Academy Awards remember.
I never really liked Hanna-Barbera stuff.
As an adult it's hard to see beyond the Simpsons but I love Beavis & Butthead and King of the Hill.
The first 30 seconds of this Simpsons clip, as Homer is chosen to go into space, is a stand-out moment for me (obviously, like many Simpsons scripts, it relies on some knowledge of classic films).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5fd3pTM4sU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5fd3pTM4sU)
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<nostalgia>
Looking back, it seems that Hanna-Barbera (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_works_produced_by_Hanna-Barbera_Productions) provided the audio-visual soundtrack to my childhood.
Mind you, that's the complete list I've linked to - notable ones I can remember being Dastardly & Muttley, Captain Caveman & The Teen Angels, Hong Kong Phooey and Help! It's The Hair Bear Bunch. Scooby-Doo went downhill with the introduction of his nephew, Scrappy*.
And the ones Mal has name-checked.
Taking another trip down memory lane here:
http://www.jedisparadise.co.uk/childrens_tv_shows.htm
I can see where my love of sci-fi came from...
Battle Of The Planets, Space Sentinels, Ulysses 31...
</nostalgia>
* The "S" is silent. :demon:
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The BBC used a lot of Hanna Barbera and Terrytoons animation series in children's TV in the 1960s. They were cheaply made, and dominated by the vocalisation, which introduced a lot of catchphrases into the playground. There was a divide between stuff such as Huckleberry Hound, Deputy Dawg, Snagglepuss and Yogi Bear, and the likes of Top Cat and The Flintstones. Top Cat was Bilko with cats, and The Flintstones was the Dick Van Dyke Show in the Stone Age.
An interesting effect of that upbringing is that I'm most aware of US regional accents through cartoons, Foghorn Leghorn, for instance is Kentucky/Virginia, voiced by Mel Blanc.
Tales from the Riverbank wasn't animation, but a sort of animal cruelty show, with various rodents looking very stressed in model boats. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72igAtfEOVQ&feature=related
It was similar to cartoons in that it had distinctive characterisiations from Johnny Morris.
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An interesting effect of that upbringing is that I'm most aware of US regional accents through cartoons, Foghorn Leghorn, for instance is Kentucky/Virginia, voiced by Mel Blanc.
I find it interesting that all young American females now sound exactly like Bart Simpson.
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An interesting effect of that upbringing is that I'm most aware of US regional accents through cartoons, Foghorn Leghorn, for instance is Kentucky/Virginia, voiced by Mel Blanc.
I find it interesting that all young American females now sound exactly like Bart Simpson.
There's a surprisingly small number of voice artists who did the classic cartoons most of us will have seen.
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I'd completely forgotten about the Flintstones. I used to watch them too.
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If we're including animations: The Clangers, The Wombles.
Rhubarb and Custard, Scooby-Doo, Hong Kong Fuey, Wacky Races, Catch the Pigeon, Top Cat (remember when he tapped his foot and the golf ball went in the hole?), Huckleberry Hound, Deputy Dawg, Yogi Bear, and of course Bugs Bunny, Tom and Jerry.
It's interesting the things you miss. I never saw Bagpuss, for instance (was that animation?) and the Flintstones even though it was around as a child.
Rhubarb and Custard was one of my favourites back then, I think the creators were probably on acid.
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As a younger Volio I enjoyed the animated stuff like Trumpton & Tales of the Riverbank.
Tales from the Riverbank wasn't animation, but a sort of animal cruelty show, with various rodents looking very stressed in model boats.
Indeed Vole, you of all members to get that wrong. I didn't think the acting of the furry troupe was that bad, except for the hamster, which was a bit, ahem, hammy.
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I was very young, and it was 405 line B&W :)
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The earliest cartoons/animations I remember are Pogle's Wood and The Woodentops. Later I used to watch things like Whacky Races and Dastardly and Muttley In Their Flying Machines, The Hair Bear Bunch, Hong Kong Phooey, Bugs and Daffy. Disney cartoons were quite good too, especially stuff from the late 40s and 50s. Some Disney cartoons really stand the test of time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKBJCiJO5XU
My all time favourite is Tom & Jerry, but only the Fred Quimby ones. The later stuff was badly drawn and scripted rubbish. And don't get me started on all the Daffy Duck/Bugs Bunny 'kids' sanitised crap that appeared in the 80s.
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It's interesting reading this thread to see the UK/US split. I reckon we've done most of the great stop-motion stuff, but the yanks have the cartoons sewn-up.
I'm pleased to see the much-overlooked 'Ren and Stimpy' & 'Trapdoor' mentioned here :thumbsup:
R&S sowed the seeds for the later 'adult' stuff like South Park and Family Guy. (Beavis & Butthead seemed pointless to me, sorry)
The strongest memories for me are probably Bagpuss and Bugs - for different reasons!
(Special award for the shot-down duckling episode of Tom & Jerry, which I feel I've seen twenty times.)
Not knowing about Mickey Mouse is like not knowing we have a king and/or queen, or that there is a popular daily rag called The Guardian.
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My earliest recollection of animation (as being differnt to "cartoons") was "Pogle's Wood".
Oh my goodness....Oliver (Clanger) Postgate's voice just made me very nostalgic. I think his voice was the soundtrack to my childhood.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNiimC07_Ac (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNiimC07_Ac)
Then there were the Trumpton, Camberwick Green & Chigley animations. I have much stronger nostalgia for these than any of the American cartoons.
Edit. AndyK - Woodentops were puppets.
If we branch out into puppets then I suppose Andy Pandy and the Woodentops may pre-date all my other TV memories.
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Mrs. Wow and I were discussing this: "Watch with Mother", when we were watching (1959 onwards in my case) was only for 15 minutes and it included no cartoons. From memory, Monday was "Picture Book", Tuesday "Andy Pandy", Wed. "Bill & Ben", Thurs "Rag, Tag & Bobtail" and Fri the Woodentops. Curiously, Mrs. Wow also remembers Muffin the Mule appearing, but I don't think I ever saw him on television.
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My all time favourite is Tom & Jerry, but only the Fred Quimby ones.
Yeah, Fred Quimby Tom & Jerries are the best cartoons ever.
I also used to like Wacky Races, Hong Kong Phooey, Lassie's Rescue Rangers, Valley of the Dinosaurs, Space Sentinels, Battle of the Planets, Top Cat, Scooby Doo (although not once they introduced Scrappy), Undercover Elephant, Little Blue, Inch High Private Eye, Secret Squirrel...
I liked the animated stuff too - Trumpton, Chigley, Camberwick Green and all the Oliver Postgate stuff.
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Best theme tune: Dangermouse?
Best group performance: the mice in Bagpuss (we will fix it with glue glue glue ... )
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A double bill of Tom and Jerry on a Saturday evening was always a real treat. I was quite partial to some Looney Toons as well - Bugs Bunny of course, also Woody Woodpecker, Sylvester The Cat, Pepe le Pew, Road Runner...
Hanna-Barbera seemed omnipresent when I was slightly older, although by that time I was beginning to see a certain lack of imagination in them (repeating storylines). Also a big fan of the Postgate/Firmin stable - The Clangers and the last gasp of the Apollo space programme are inextricably linked in my memories. When Oliver Postgate died I bought DVDs of the entire Clangers.
Family Guy has usurped The Simpsons in my adult cartoon watching habits.
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There was a cartoon called Rocket Robin Hood that used to screen on Anglia in the holidays in the mornings.
Personal favourites were Space Sentinels, Battle of the Planets/G Force.
He Man and the Masters of the Universe. Spiderman and his Amazing friends. GoBots, Transformers. Ulysees 31, Dogtanian and Muskehounds.
I watched a lot of cartoons...
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This also reminds me of something I said about TV when I was very little. We didn't have a TV at home till I was 5 or 6 but I used to see The Clangers and Playschool at friends' houses. On one occasion when I was about 3 we were going to someone's house and my mother said "And you can watch Playschool with Andrea" (I have no other memory of this Andrea but I'm sure that was the name) to which I replied "But Playschool is on Simon's television!" I genuinely thought each TV could only receive one programme!
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Oh my goodness....Oliver (Clanger) Postgate's voice just made me very nostalgic. I think his voice was the soundtrack to my childhood.
Me too. I was fortunate to meet Peter Firmin at a Noggin the Nog screening at City Screen in York, and be able to thank him for his part in my childhood - sadly Oliver Postgate should have been there, but was unwell so I missed my chance to meet him. However, I also got to thank Mrs Firmin, who knitted the Clangers. Peter Firmin was answering questions from the audience, and said very modestly that they never thought about the part they played in children's lives, they just did fun stuff. The Mice in Bagpuss were my favourite. I longed to have just one, alive, for myself.
Apart from all the Smallfilms (Clangers, Bagpuss etc) the cartoons I remember enjoying are Looney Tunes like Bugs Bunny and co, Tom and Jerry (proper early ones), and Hanna Barbara like Huckleberry Hound, Yogi Bear et al. Scooby Doo was ok, if a little predictable, and once Scrappy arrived, rubbish.
Pugwash, of course, and if we stretch to animations, the Trumptonshire Trilogy. Brian Cant was probably as much part of my childhood as Oliver Postgate.
Charlie Brown was a favourite. I saw some DVD's in the poundshop the other day and I'm sorely tempted to go and buy them. As much for the music as anything!
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I seem to have been influences, during my childhood, by nearly all those mentioned, plus one, in later lift, that no-one has mentioned yet.
Yes Ren and Stimpy is good (and I love how gross it can be), but these guys beat it hands down.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Angry_Beavers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_8wfFs1KJo
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I liked The Pink Panther and Road Runner as a kid (still do). They're actually fairly similar, as both involve a truly ingenious animal and there are a lot of very complicated sight gags.
I was also a great fan of Beavis and Butt-Head because they were exactly like us as 14-year olds and their comments on the pop videos were virtually always right.
Madagascar 2 makes me laugh, if you ignore the sickly sweet stuff and go straight for the silly bits, like the penguins and monkeys building a flying machine.
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Most have already been mentioned, but I have particularly vivid memories of a couple of episodes of Ulysees 31 (which was probably some of the first television I ever watched, at the age of 4-and-a-bit), where I actually understood the plot in all its vivid disturbingness. It was like staring into the Total Perspective Vortex or something. Sirens! Sisyphus! Eeek!
Has anyone mentioned Belle and Sebastian or The Mysterious Cities of Gold yet? That's well into what I'd describe as 'anime' rather than 'cartoons', but were both very special. I re-watched MCOG a few years ago thanks to the electric internet, and it totally holds up.
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I'd almost forgotten what was probably my favourite: "Ah! Ludwig!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fctXY9UF-UY
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Am I the only one who remembers "Mary, Mungo & Midge" then ??? I've watched most of the previously mentioned shows but have a special affection for "The Wombles" & "Paddington", which I don't think are cartoons in the technical sense.
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Yae cannae hae cartoon nostalgio wi'oot the theme tune tae "Glen Micheal's Cartoon Cavalcade"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arI42_bLlHo
Sunday afternoons on STV ftw!
;D
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Am I the only one who remembers "Mary, Mungo & Midge" then ??? I've watched most of the previously mentioned shows but have a special affection for "The Wombles" & "Paddington", which I don't think are cartoons in the technical sense.
No, I remember MMandM. Looking back, I realise I was fairly intrigued by the concept of a tower block, because I don't think ever I'd seen one for real at that age.
How could I forget the Pink Panther! I can still sing the theme song, the one with the boy arriving in the car, and the Panther and Clouseau getting out... When nephew Oli was a baby, my sister left me to watch him while she did some cooking, and I sang that to him as a lullaby.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bii-PIGprv8&feature=related
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Mr Ben
"As if by magic, the shopkeeper appeared" remains common parlance in the Volio household
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"Ah Ludwig" is where I got my name. Crystal tips and Alistair was suitably weird . Noggin the Nog was as dark as Scandinavia in winter but also melancholy in that lovely way that smallfilms made their signature. I remember seeing an Ivor the engine where a bluebottle landed on the set and they just left it in . I heard Oliver postgate mention it once in interview. Mary mungo and midge was about as basic as animation gets I guess but was a staple for lunchtimes (when I used to run home for lunch).
Tom and Jerry was laugh out loud funny and violent as hell. A double bill was bliss. It's a travesty that they were ruined by cheaper production methods and poor writing in later versions. Pink panther was clever and the little detective was good. I so wanted to drive that car that was on the opening credits.
What do young kids watch now?
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Well, a particular favourite of my two is 'almost naked animals'.
Srsly.
Utterly bonkers.
ETA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almost_Naked_Animals
The cartoon is set inside a tropical resort called the Banana Cabana.[3] All of the cabana's staff members and residents are funny animals who have shaved off their fur and wear only underwear. A dog named Howie is the manager and leader of the cabana. Each episode follows Howie and his "misfit" crew having strange adventures in the Banana Cabana.
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I loved Mr Ben. I think my favourite was the one with the submarines hunting a monster, so he disguised each submarine as a monster so they saw each other, thought they'd seen the monster and went away and left the monster in peace.
I also liked Bod although it was very peculiar.
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What do young kids watch now?
My nephew is addicted to Spongebob Squarepants. I can't see the appeal, but then I'm oooolllldddd.
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Bod lives on here: When something doesn't match (pair of socks, set of tools, couple of widgets) I've been known to say "That's not snap".
I remember an episode of Blue Peter where they showed us how a new cartoon series was made. Paper cutouts were moved bit by bit, pressed under a sheet of glass, and photographed. That was Crystal Tips and Alistair.
What about Joe? He lived in a transport cafe which his parents ran. When it all went horribly wrong they said "Oh Joe!" inna catchphrase stylee.
Moving forward to more recent times - Duckman. Seriously odd cartoon about a private eye duck and his sidekick Cornfed.
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Despitte my fondness for the classics of my childhood, I think the wittiest cartoon was Dangermouse. The humour worked on two levels, just as The Simpsons does now.
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Moving forward to more recent times - Duckman. Seriously odd cartoon about a private eye duck and his sidekick Cornfed.
Of course, Duckman! :facepalm: (i was trying to remember that during the Ren and Stimpy posts)
Great for us fans of detective noir :D Got shown even less (and at more ridicalous times) in the UK than R&S did.
I remember a genius chaotic fight scene enacted entirely in the dark (i.e. a black screen). Just actors voices and silly sound effects for about a minute. I guess you had to be there ...
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Despitte my fondness for the classics of my childhood, I think the wittiest cartoon was Dangermouse. The humour worked on two levels, just as The Simpsons does now.
That was always my younger son's favourite.
Not exactly a cartoon, but The Magic Roundabout, by the same token, was always a good hors d'oeuvres for the 6 o'clock news.
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Which cartoons did you watch as a child? And how strongly do you remember them?
(We didn't have a TV at home until I was 10, so my memories of the few cartoons I watched are still vivid. I've never been a big fan of animation in general).
Tom and Gerry - influenced me to bash my brother. Road Runner - influenced me to ride my bike too fast.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkjcx3vIa-w
You're supposed to be working, not watching cartoons!
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T&J; there's a horribly noticeable reduction in quality. The Fred Quimby films were so much better than the later ones.
Despite the fact that I enjoyed them, and would happily watch as much as I could find, I'd forgotten about Roobarb and Custard, Crystal Tipps and Alistair /i] andThe Pink Panther.
My sister, who is four years younger, watched and enjoyed a completely different set of films; Huckleberry Hound, Yogi Bear andPixie and Dixie. I didn't like them.
I've always been ambivalent about Hanna and Barbera, some of their output was, to me crap.
Nobody has mentioned the Andersons' puppet films. I put most of the in the same category of junk as Doctor Who (having lit the touch paper I'll stand well back). However, I really liked Fireball XL5.
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Others I recall are Jamie And His Magic Torch, Hector's House, The Arabian Knights (as part of the Banana Splits Show on a Saturday morning).
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My earliest love on television was the sublime Pogle's Wood. In fact, I loved all the Firmin/Postgate oeuvre, with the exception of Bagpuss (on the basis that Professor Yaffle got a raw deal, even though he was often right (much like the Postgate family friend Bertrand Russell, on whom he was (affectionately) modelled)).
Other cartoons I never wanted to miss were Mr Benn, Captain Pugwash and Roobarb and Custard.
Animations included Magic Roundabout and the Wombles, though Paddington never appealed (despite the fact that I adore Michael Hordern's voice - his Lear is the definitive one for me, and his Jeeves was the standard to aspire to).
American cartoons were odd ones. I saw Tom & Jerry regularly, and loved them. Later, I'd watch Top Cat (without realising the Sgt Bilko parallel) and the Pink Panther. There were other US cartoons, which I was aware of, but rarely saw. including Disney, oddly enough. Disney only appeared as feature films at the cinema and snippets on the compilation shows at holidays. We were familiar enough with Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, Goofy et al, but I can't remember a single cartoon, barring the endlessly referred Steamboat Willie.
Then there was Scooby Doo. I don't know why, but I did like it, and watched it every week, even if it was a repeat. Even when they included guest stars who meant very little to us, like Mama Cass, or the Three Stooges. Of course, as someone mentioned above, Crappy Doo ended the programme completely.
As I grew up, Dangermouse came along, which was an outstanding piece of work. But I don't really remember any other cartoons from that period which appealed to me.
Then there was a break from TV for me until I had kids. So a great many things passed me by, though Thomas the bleedin Tank Engine and Superted both drove me to complete boredom from video.
There are cartoons I will never get, like Ren & Stimpy, Angry Beavers, Beavis & Butthead, Family Guy and South Park. But others I have encountered through my kids which really appeal, like The Simpsons and Animaniacs, which are intelligent and witty rather than just crass and banal.
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I did mean to comment on the Supermarionation, which was an influence. I don't recall the early shows, but I do recall Stingray, Captain Scarlet, Thunderbirds and Joe 90.
I didn't like the last of these, but the others were firm favourites. It's a catchphrase round here, 'Stand by for action! Anything could happen in the next half hour', though I don't have the bongos to complete the effect.
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Nobody has mentioned the Andersons' puppet films.
Maybe because they are not cartoons. Thunderbirds had a big influence on me as I have done much in life to help others, just as the Tracy family did.
In my defence, the thread had already drifted into stop-motion animation. Where do we draw the line?
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Nobody has mentioned the Andersons' puppet films.
Maybe because they are not cartoons. Thunderbirds had a big influence on me as I have done much in life to help others, just as the Tracy family did.
In my defence, the thread had already drifted into stop-motion animation. Where do we draw the line?
If there are no lines drawn it's not a cartoon.
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Nobody has mentioned the Andersons' puppet films.
Maybe because they are not cartoons. Thunderbirds had a big influence on me as I have done much in life to help others, just as the Tracy family did.
In my defence, the thread had already drifted into stop-motion animation. Where do we draw the line?
Thunderbirds etc. aren't stop motion.
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Cartoons I like now: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=simon%27s+cat - nearly but not influencing me to replace my late cats.
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Thanks to people above for reminding me of the wonderful Mr Ben and Ivor the Engine. Quite different but both lovely. Oh, and for the correct spelling of Roobarb and Custard! I've got the sig tune going through my mind now. Did-dee-dee-dee, did-dee-dee-dee, boing-oing-oing-oing, boing-oing-oing-oing.
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Bod lives on here: When something doesn't match (pair of socks, set of tools, couple of widgets) I've been known to say "That's not snap".
Bod also sometimes harboured a tiny piece of anarchy that I liked. Remember the Alberto the Frog and his Animal Band segment? Every week, Alberto solved a problem and was offered a reward - and he invariably said "Weeeeeeeeellllllllllllllllll, I wouldn't say no to a milkshake". What flavour? At this point various of the animals tried to guess the flavour - the mice said "He's going to say Chocolate", the Hippos said "He's going to ask for strawberry" etc. Usually, one or other of the animals was right. But sometimes, just sometimes, he surprised us all and asked for a flavour that hadn't been guessed. I liked those times best. It's about as anarchic as I got as a child!
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As a child, midget gem variety:
Atom Ant, Mr Magoo, Twizzle, the Woodentops, Bill and Ben, Jimxy, Deputy Dawg and Quick Draw McGraw (sp?), the Woody Woodpecker Show, which I never found funny.
Slightly later, there were Crystal Tips, MM &M, R&C, Ivor, Noggin, all the Trumpton stuff, Flintstones, Jetsons, and I remember a pile of truly crap H-B stuff. We had moved to the Far East for a while, so I got exposed to a lot of Japanese stuff such as Prince Planet.
Quite a bit later, Tom and Jerry, but ONLY the Quimby stuff; my father made a point of saying 'Good Old Fred' each time. Droopy, who is a true original. Scooby-Doo. A lot of the Disney stuff quite late, due to the stay abroad.
Then....as an adult, allegedly: Bugs and his crew (favourite line: Duh, you can't fool me, I'm a moron!) and then Ren and Stimpy (I have nicknamed a colleague Stimpy), Duckman, and the wonderful Monkey Dust.
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I feel sure we all remember this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf0oxpF2mZs&list=UUoUZMPVTgEOUIumrNLU8Aog&index=46&feature=plcp
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Droopy, who is a true original.
^^^^ This. Droopy's breaking of the fourth wall was unheard-of in those days.
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Just remembered a huge favourite from childhood: Marine Boy (http://youtu.be/9HqSkY4vtVY). Probably my first experience of anime. I always wanted some oxy-gum so I could breathe underwater. :)
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Droopy, who is a true original.
^^^^ This. Droopy's breaking of the fourth wall was unheard-of in those days.
Really? Didn't Bugs Bunny predate him?
I couldn't stand Droopy.
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Just remembered a huge favourite from childhood: Marine Boy (http://youtu.be/9HqSkY4vtVY). Probably my first experience of anime. I always wanted some oxy-gum so I could breathe underwater. :)
Oh, I remember loving that when I was very tiny. We were still at Leuchars so I wasn't five.
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What do young kids watch now?
When my nieces (8 and 4) were staying with me last year I put on a Clangers DVD, thinking they'd like it. After two minutes, the eldest turned to me, a look of unfulfilled promise on her face and asked "how long is this like this for?"
They seem to have missed out on the short cartoons thing, going straight from Teletubbies and In The Night Garden to real-life acting like Sarah Jane Adventures and Tracy Beaker. They'll happily sit through anything by Pixar though, even if they've seen it before.
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Perhaps what makes The Clangers etc different from more modern cartoons and animation is a) narration is not used nowadays b) though the stories may not be more complicated now, they are told in more detail with things constantly happening.
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and the wonderful Monkey Dust.
Hell yeah - I'd forgotten about that!
Most of the stuff from when I was a kid (the 70s) has been mentioned. I don't remember watching many cartoons in my teens with the exception of Dangermouse (things like Thunder Cats passed me by, for example) .
More recent(ish) stuff:
Ren & Stimpy
South Park (I didn't get Beavis & Butthead)
Angry Beavers
Cow & Chicken
I Am Weasel
Dexter's Lab
The Powerpuff Girls
Rocko's Modern Life
The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy
Quite like Family Guy now but it took a while to 'get'. I can't get into American Dad or The Cleveland Show though.
Also like The Life & Times of Tim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Life_%26_Times_of_Tim) which took a lot of googling to find the name of...
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Just remembered a huge favourite from childhood: Marine Boy (http://youtu.be/9HqSkY4vtVY). Probably my first experience of anime. I always wanted some oxy-gum so I could breathe underwater. :)
Oh yes, I liked that too!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvmf_yWefvg
Who knew Barry Gibb was a prehistoric cave-dweller?
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I'm amazed that my dino-mad son hasn't introduced me to that before.
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As you may have guessed I was (and am) a fan of Noggin the Nog, the Clangers I really enjoyed as well. Friends had a video of Noggin, and this was put on once when we were round at their house to keep our two children (then 5 & 3) quiet for a while. When it was time to leave we were told very firmly by the elder one "We can't go yet, there's still another saga to go".
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I'm amazed that my dino-mad son hasn't introduced me to that before.
I don't think it's been on since the early 70s. All I remember of it is the opening sequence, so it can't have been that good.
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I'm amazed that my dino-mad son hasn't introduced me to that before.
I don't think it's been on since the early 70s. All I remember of it is the opening sequence, so it can't have been that good.
That belongs in the same cobweb festooned part of my brane as Land Of The Giants and the Planet Of The Apes TV series......someone will dig up Fantastic Journey or Vidar And The Ice Monster next...
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One of the odder cartoons I remember is Barbapapa.
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It was a one-off, but this made a huge impression on me as a young teenager
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ6qw1nh0tA&[/url)
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I'm amazed that my dino-mad son hasn't introduced me to that before.
I don't think it's been on since the early 70s. All I remember of it is the opening sequence, so it can't have been that good.
He's a 3rd-millenium child, quite capable of searching YouTube for "dinosaur films"!
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The end credit of a black screen with a cut-out B showing through to a sliding rainbow of HannaBarberas is prominent in my memory of childhood cartoonery.
A fluffy young Arellkitten watched Bod (loving Derek Griffiths' frenetic rhythms as much as anything), Mr Benn ("ting!") and pretty much the entire output of Smallfilms and Gordon Murray. The Camberwick Green musical box scared me for some reason, and I always wondered why Dr Mopp's car wobbled so much.
When Children's Telly™ became the after-school activity, it was animation like Inspector Gadget and Pole Position (because my friend Robert said I should watch it), and in the stop-motion puppet world, Terrahawks, which was the coolest thing in the world ever. Later on I was absorbed in the animated marathons of Dogtanian and the Three Muskehounds, Around the World with Willy Fog, Ulysses 31 (of which only the introduction I can remember now) and of course The Mysterious Cities of Gold. I think everyone at school watched TMCG. I remember watching a lot of Battle of the Planets too, because their space helmets had tinted visors, which was the coolest thing in the world ever. Tom and Jerry I mainly saw thanks to Rolf Harris and later, Tony Robinson, and yes, Fred Quimby wins hands down.
The Flintstones was on between Blue Peter and The Six o'Clock News, so that was a staple of my teenage viewing, and with the advent of cable TV, I watched a lot of Beavis and Butthead* and The Simpsons. I quite like Futurama too, but have never quite settled into it. And from the ridiculous to the sublime, like many others I have a great fondness for Bagpuss, but I can't bring myself to watch an episode anymore because I will start crying almost immediately.
* To be honest, I mostly watched B&B to see the music videos, like Peter Gabriel, Crowbar and GWAR, and to laugh along with them at Krokus and Grim Reaper.
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Terrahawks, like all Anderson productions, was not stop motion. It was puppetry.
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An interesting effect of that upbringing is that I'm most aware of US regional accents through cartoons, Foghorn Leghorn, for instance is Kentucky/Virginia, voiced by Mel Blanc.
I find it interesting that all young American females now sound exactly like Bart Simpson.
I rest my case
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DekHor8xqrk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DekHor8xqrk)
Interesting device though
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Has anyone mentioned Belle and Sebastian or The Mysterious Cities of Gold yet? That's well into what I'd describe as 'anime' rather than 'cartoons', but were both very special. I re-watched MCOG a few years ago thanks to the electric internet, and it totally holds up.
And it seems that a second series is now in the pipeline!
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/56272
(I expect the fansub version will appear on a torrent site in good time.)
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as a 10 yr old, I snagged a book from Monmouth Library which had stills from and text about the classic Disney stuff, (Fantasia, Dumbo, Steamboat Willie junior) plus many other early animation artists like Max Fleischer (from memory, Sylvester the cat, Betty Boop, Out of the Inkwell). There were sections in the book on story-boarding and making one's own flick-books and I'm sure I defaced a few of my own books with animated bouncing balls, logs being sawn etc.
We didn't have a telly for another four years (c. 1968), but before that then I was hooked by animation...and I'm currently delighted to be living in an apparent golden age of digimation, claymation, anime etc etc
but that early stuff is glorious...
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Beavis and Butt-Head is actually rather well-observed, as are Mike Judge's other cartoons (Daria and King of the Hill), which broke away from the "inane comments on pop videos" format, ingenious though that was.
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One result of the preceding pages of reminiscence-festing is that I emerge mildly depressed because I now find myself I'm in the older demographic*. However, Mrs. lower gear, being not only slightly older but an authentic American to boot, can recall a slightly older generation of American carooons, some so dire or so specifically American that the the UK never imported them.
It is particularly facinating to find that some yacfers are so much younger (at least if the cartoons they reference are any guide) than their online, somewhat reactionary / fuddy-duddy personas suggest. So perhaps I'm not so old after all... ;D
[* its the fifth-decade syndrome, I'm sure]
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I've been a fuddy-duddy since I was about 17.
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Aside from the usual suspects (Thundercats, He-Man, Ulysses-31, Dogtanian and the Three Muskahounds etc) I strongly remember BBC2 showing a wide range of international cartoons. Principally East European and Canadian. These were usually vaguely surreal (variants on Alice in Wonderland) or abstract (animations of squiggly lines), with unusual art styles, soft jazz soundtracks and little dialogue (at least thats how I remember them). I'm sure these helped shape my rather eclectic tastes (or perhaps reflected them). Rather like subtitled films and anything not in colour (Laurel and Hardy, where art thou?), these gems appear to have disappeared from mainstream TV and have to be hunted down on the internet when once they felt much more commonplace.
I also have a strong memory of seeing early computer animation shorts such as John Lassiter's one about the angle poise light. Being a geeky kid, this amazed me and reinforced my appreciation of computers.
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As a younger Weasel I was at times a lot like Mr Benn.
Like him I would go to shops, have an adventure and come away with a souvenir.
"As if by magic, the Store Detective appeared!"
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like many others I have a great fondness for Bagpuss, but I can't bring myself to watch an episode anymore because I will start crying almost immediately.
This I understand.
And people, people, please. It's Mr Benn with 2 ns!
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I always confused him with Fred, the Homepride flour man.
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I always confused him with Fred, the Homepride flour man.
Narrated by John Le Mesurier in the 70s, who also did Bod.
Ray Brooks narrated Mr Benn, and there were only ever 14 episodes, one made in 2005.
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Bod always seemed foreign, a bit like The Moomins.
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I loved Tintin especially the animation. Yogi Bear was a favourite aswell as Top Cat or should I say Boss Cat.
However, Gaston has always had a certain charm that has probably influenced me, but not in a good way.
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As if by magic [ping!], a signpost appeared.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7063/7018530403_eb1f5b47de.jpg)
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As with many of you, certain lines from classic cartoons have become part of my idiolect, including:
"That's not snap!"
"Lime, said the hippos."
"Chocolate biscuits? From breadcrumbs and butter beans?"
"You might, rabbit. You might."
"Crumbs, DM!"
"We will fix it…"
"When Bagpuss goes to sleep…"
"A carved wooden bookend in the shape of a woodpecker."
"Thuffering thuccotash!"
"Oh Brunnhilde, you're so wuvwy!" "Yes, I know it, I can't help it!"
"Kill the wabbit!"
"Yoinks, and away!"
"As if by magic, the shopkeeper appeared."
…and probably countless others that don't spring readily to mind.
It's fair to say that cartoons/animations have had a significant influence on my life. Though tbh, I think I've grown to appreciate, understand and love Looney Tunes more as an adult than I ever did as a child. Last summer, we went to Anifest in Canterbury for an evening of Looney Tunes hosted by Phill Jupitus and Emma Kennedy. Watching them in a communal environment on a big screen added a whole new dimension to them. I laughed lots, even at cartoons I have seen many, many times before.
d.
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Cartoons are a strange imtermediate form between radio and TV. The spoken elements precede the visual ones. My favourite caroon is The Phil Silvers Show, otherwise known as Bilko, even though it's live action. A curious throwback to that interchange between radio and TV are the HBO animations of the Ricky Gervais podcasts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_z1K93LTUg
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As if by magic [ping!], a signpost appeared.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7063/7018530403_eb1f5b47de.jpg)
ummm....
Mr Benn lived on Festive Road....
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Which was based on Festing Road. There's a plaque/paving slab thingy and everything.
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Cartoons are a strange imtermediate form between radio and TV. The spoken elements precede the visual ones. My favourite caroon is The Phil Silvers Show, otherwise known as Bilko, even though it's live action. A curious throwback to that interchange between radio and TV are the HBO animations of the Ricky Gervais podcasts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_z1K93LTUg
I really like the style of those Gervais animations. I suspect they're 'inspired' by a dozen older works, but it does the job.
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I really like the style of those Gervais animations. I suspect they're 'inspired' by a dozen older works, but it does the job.
Mainly Hannah Barbera, and The Flintstones are referenced in the vocal, as well as in the animation. A lot of the humour in cartoons revolves around the 'Wise Guy', Top Cat is Sergeant Bilko, and features some of the same actors. The US took to the Beatles because they had that quality, so it was inevitable that they would end up as a cartoon. The accents are the weirdest thing to our ears.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ThLR2ekYQc
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Which was based on Festing Road. There's a plaque/paving slab thingy and everything.
Oh! In that case, I see.
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For those fans of Dangermouse, and Chorlton & The Wheelies, and Jamie & The Magic Torch, and Count Duckula, and loads of other great programmes, do catch this morning's programme about Cosgrove Hall, presented by Dangermouse himself. :thumbsup:
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For those fans of Dangermouse, and Chorlton & The Wheelies, and Jamie & The Magic Torch, and Count Duckula, and loads of other great programmes, do catch this morning's programme about Cosgrove Hall, presented by Dangermouse himself. :thumbsup:
Superb it was as well.
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Tex Avery, especially Droopy with his "y'know what? I'm happy" in the voice of a suicidal depressive. I reckon he was the inspiration for Marvin the Paranoid Android.