Author Topic: Solid wall buildings part elebenty - alternatives to lath and plaster (Read 48820 times)

Mrs Pingu · « **Reply #125 on:** 28 April, 2016, 09:04:27 pm »

I'm quite excited about the demolition, slightly sad I'm not getting to destroy any of it myself

Pickled Onion · « **Reply #126 on:** 29 April, 2016, 07:41:55 am »

Quote from: Mrs Pingu on 26 April, 2016, 08:12:01 pm

Ballsbumpoopiss. Looks like the Sqrl requires 600 mm clearance to combustibles. That's almost half the entire width of the chimney breast, so that's not likely. Guess I will be having some evil modern fireproof board at the sides of the opening

Can you use the rear flue and have the stove stand out from the fireplace? That might heat the room more effectively too.

Mrs Pingu · « **Reply #127 on:** 29 April, 2016, 09:36:38 am »

Not to have it 600mm in front of combustibles.

Aunt Maud · « **Reply #128 on:** 29 April, 2016, 11:57:44 am »

Brick it up and plaster it ?

Mrs Pingu · « **Reply #129 on:** 29 April, 2016, 12:43:12 pm »

At the moment bricking the whole wall up and plastering it is looking like an option - it's not gone to plan at all

Aunt Maud · « **Reply #130 on:** 29 April, 2016, 04:10:15 pm »

Oh dear.

Poly Hive · « **Reply #131 on:** 29 April, 2016, 04:12:26 pm »

Have you checked the stove info on the green forum Mrs P?

PH

mrcharly-YHT · « **Reply #132 on:** 29 April, 2016, 04:26:49 pm »

There are inset stove/fireplaces. they are stoves meant to be stuck in fireplaces, with minimal intrusion into the room.

Mrs Pingu · « **Reply #133 on:** 29 April, 2016, 04:55:39 pm »

Right then, I was rather doom & gloom earlier because the stove man was very doom & gloom, but we talked it over (I made some suggestions he hadn't even considered, including an inset stove!) and he was a bit more upbeat when he left.
He's going to get in touch with his stonemason and see about getting the extra bit at the top of the LHS cut so that it goes straight back rather than at an angle. The RHS also needs cutting a bit because it doesn't go up straight, which will be fun as it's granite. And then the plan would be to have the Squirrel half out of the opening.

If all else fails I will have an inset stove, although that is the last chance saloon as I don't really want one of those.

You can see his measuring and scribblings on the wood in the photo.

The hole isn't big enough by The Pingus, on Flickr

Mrs Pingu · « **Reply #134 on:** 29 April, 2016, 05:55:45 pm »

Couple more photos, might be a bit clearer...

2016-04-29_05-52-37 by The Pingus, on Flickr

IMG_4105_01 by The Pingus, on Flickr

Aunt Maud · « **Reply #135 on:** 29 April, 2016, 05:58:41 pm »

Looks OK to me, but if it was mine I'd wall it up, lime render the stone wall and stick the burner in the room with a pipe out the back into the flue. Just like PO said.

YMMV, however.

Edit. You really want that neighbours flue encased properly, as ceramic liners can burst.

Mrs Pingu · « **Reply #136 on:** 29 April, 2016, 06:55:04 pm »

That would be fine in a big place, the thing is that this is a shallow room. I can't have the stove right out of the opening as it would be almost in the middle of the room!
Well, the stove wouldn't be, but the hearth definitely would.

So it's either half in/half out, or an inset (suboptimal)

And the clearance to the stove sides is 9cm which is why all the gnashing of teeth.

TimC · « **Reply #137 on:** 30 April, 2016, 01:18:42 pm »

That's a tight hole! It's a shame there isn't a little more room, but I'd have thought a semi-recessed stove might be the best compromise. I can see that a free-standing one out in the room would be a pain, but a free-standing stove that fits in that fireplace would be tiny.

Mrs Pingu · « **Reply #138 on:** 30 April, 2016, 02:14:15 pm »

Hmm... I've been thinking today.
I can't decide whether to go for the compromise of the Sqrl half out of the opening, or just suck it up and get an inset stove.
I suspect that an inset would mean an awful lot less mess (no need to get that granite cut with all the dust that will generate).
Someone else has suggested an inset living flame gas fire

My heart wants the Squirrel but my head seems a bit more pragmatic.

What does the panel think? I think I already know but maybe you'll surprise me

Aunt Maud · « **Reply #139 on:** 30 April, 2016, 04:58:12 pm »

Gas Central Heating.

Jurek · « **Reply #140 on:** 30 April, 2016, 04:59:49 pm »

Quote from: Aunt Maud on 30 April, 2016, 04:58:12 pm

Gas Central Heating.

You're not helping

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Poly Hive · « **Reply #141 on:** 30 April, 2016, 05:17:15 pm »

Knowing Aberdeen flats as I do I wonder at the practicalities of having a wood burner in an upper flat. Ashes out and wood up and where to store it? My installer warned us we need to think of how to store 6 to 8 tons of the stuff whilst it dries out and to that effect my main mission next weekend is going up to the cottage to do some serious measuring and contemplating that little matter.

PH

Mrs Pingu · « **Reply #142 on:** 30 April, 2016, 05:48:34 pm »

<bashes head off wall> You lot!

Not going to be using wood, as you say we have nowhere to store / dry it. That's what briquettes are for.

Ashes have to go outside no matter the property, it's only 1 flight of steps and they are outside.

I've spent the afternoon eyeing up these http://www.contura.eu/English/Stoves/Inserts/Insert-Contura-i4-Modern-Four/

And all this is making my brain hurt - pass the gin!

Pickled Onion · « **Reply #143 on:** 30 April, 2016, 07:00:57 pm »

Quote from: Mrs Pingu on 30 April, 2016, 02:14:15 pm

Hmm... I've been thinking today.
Someone else has suggested an inset living flame gas fire

A reclaimed Victorian/Edwardian cast iron fireplace with a decent made-to-measure gas coal-effect fire would look great, but it wouldn't do much to heat the room up. Given the size of the opening, that was probably what was in there originally.

Feanor · « **Reply #144 on:** 30 April, 2016, 07:25:38 pm »

Quote from: Poly Hive on 30 April, 2016, 05:17:15 pm

Knowing Aberdeen flats as I do I wonder at the practicalities of having a wood burner in an upper flat. Ashes out and wood up and where to store it? My installer warned us we need to think of how to store 6 to 8 tons of the stuff whilst it dries out and to that effect my main mission next weekend is going up to the cottage to do some serious measuring and contemplating that little matter.

PH

The ash volume from a woodburner is surprisingly small.
An whole winter evening here produces only a small tray full of ash.

Poly Hive · « **Reply #145 on:** 30 April, 2016, 09:02:24 pm »

I look forward to checking that statement myself this Autumn s we are installing a Charnwood C6. http://www.woodburnerwarehouse.co.uk/charnwood-c-six.html

Is 5kw not a bit powerful for the flat MrsP?

PH

Mrs Pingu · « **Reply #146 on:** 30 April, 2016, 09:38:26 pm »

Probably would be if it was insulated and didn't have dormers and all those other lovely heat drains....

Jaded · « **Reply #147 on:** 30 April, 2016, 10:13:37 pm »

We have 2 SQRLs in the cottage we borrow. One has a back boiler and warms the room. The other is a normal one and when burning well is too hot. 13ft square rooms, uninsulated stone cottage.

The problem is, as I understand it, that less than 5kw is hard to keep going?

canny colin · « **Reply #148 on:** 01 May, 2016, 11:05:00 am »

I often get asked to install large ( 7kw plus ) multi fuel stoves in small sitting / front room so the occupier , can heat all of the ressidence . The problems are you end up melting on the sofa or have to move the sofa against the back wall or leave the stove on tick over so you might as well buy a smaller stove . IMHO A small stove running well has less flue problems .

Mrs Pingu · « **Reply #149 on:** 01 May, 2016, 07:05:37 pm »

So we've found a use for the copper pipe - a handy conduit for threading Cat5 cable down from the loft