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Title: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 13 January, 2012, 08:32:09 pm
I have not done this ride for the last two years. Two years ago I woke up with a sore throat and last year I chose to do the Cornish ride. This year I plan to do the BCM again.

This mail is a blatant cheap skate call. The TL rooms are going for £51 does anyone want to share and help me on my quest to save money.

Please pm me if you have a room to share the night before the BCM :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: teethgrinder on 13 January, 2012, 08:38:21 pm
No, not me, but try having a look at the Travelodge thread and see if anyone with a £9 room wants to share to save a bit more money. 3 people in one £9 room is excellent value.
Title: Re: Brian Chapman 2012
Post by: AndyH on 13 January, 2012, 10:26:58 pm
3 people in one £9 room is excellent value.
I don't think we have a smiley for sniggering loudly  ;D :D ??? :D  ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Karla on 14 January, 2012, 12:10:56 am
You could try asking William Hague (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/william-hague/7977121/William-Hague-showed-poor-judgment-over-hotel-room.html) if he wants to do the Bryan Chapman  :demon:
Title: Re: Brian Chapman 2012
Post by: GrahamG on 14 January, 2012, 04:14:12 pm
If anyone is genuinely a bit hard up and doesn't mind riding 25km to the start - you're welcome to occupy floor space at mine, or even garden space for a tent if you prefer!  I'm too skint to travel to audaxes as wife is student and I'm just doing shitty temp work so know how it can be.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: marcusjb on 02 February, 2012, 02:37:00 pm
Sadly, I won't be riding this event this year, despite it being one of my real goals for the season - a friend has decided this is the ideal day to get married, so I better go join in the fun there.

This does mean I have a Travelodge room available at Severn View for the 18th May and 20th May if anyone would like them - you just need to pretend to be me (I'll Email all the details over to you).  They're for Family Rooms - so they'll sleep two non-consenting adults. 

The Friday night one was £50.95 and the Sunday one £41.95 (I didn't get in early enough to get them for a tenner - but not too bad still).

Drop me a line if you're interested and we'll sort something out.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 02 February, 2012, 08:02:31 pm
Not riding this year. Might see you in theElan Valley cycling with friends based @ Clun.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feline on 02 February, 2012, 09:21:29 pm
I am planning to ride it this year! Have not made plans yet whether to drive to the start on the day (35 miles), ride it, or stay somewhere the night before having ridden there. It somewhat depends which bike(s) myself and simonp decide to ride it on  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 02 February, 2012, 10:14:21 pm
My last one this year, all things pass.

I've enjoyed the last 9 years,
priorities in life have changed,
some outside of my control - and they need to come first at the moment.



EDIT: 3/2/212@12:33
Bianchi Boy, please Get the Subject title changed - his name was Bryan Chapman.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Redlight on 02 February, 2012, 10:19:20 pm
My last one this year, all things pass.


All the more reason for a good turnout and for the rain gods to stay away!

(OK, we can hope for the good tunrnout; the other? No chance.)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Reg.T on 02 February, 2012, 11:37:19 pm
My last one this year, all things pass.

Bug*** :o. Had been planning to attempt this this year, having read so much here about the ride and Mark's great organisation of it, but other commitments have forced me to abandon that. :(

I had been consoling myself with the prospect of a BCM in 2013 in preparation for LEL...

Hope the ride is a memorable one for you all - in a positive way, of course. ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: LEE on 02 February, 2012, 11:49:32 pm
I'd love to do it again, for that glorious 1st day up to Pen-Y-Pass (the best day's cycling of my life), but then I remember that subsequent night time climb past the power station and think about being snugly asleep in bed, at home,  and the urge passes.

Hope it goes well Blacksheep, thanks for the superb support on my 3 BCMs.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: border-rider on 02 February, 2012, 11:58:56 pm
I love this ride; I've done it 10 times (so far). I have never failed to wish I was in bed on that stretch up past Trawsfynydd power station, and I don't think I've ever managed to get back to Dolgellau without having a roadside doze.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Von Broad on 03 February, 2012, 01:21:57 am
My last one this year, all things pass.

Many thanks for all your hard work Mark.
For all the rides we do, there's so much that goes on behinds the scenes that has to happen to make these events run smoothly.

I've really enjoyed the two I've ridden.
I may come back for one more. 2015. Maybe.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Tewdric on 03 February, 2012, 01:24:41 am
I love this ride; I've done it 10 times (so far). I have never failed to wish I was in bed on that stretch up past Trawsfynydd power station, and I don't think I've ever managed to get back to Dolgellau without having a roadside doze.

I managed my first two without a doze, but couldn't resist the deluxe bus shelter last time two years ago.  I'm in this year, have the weekend off and my entry is in!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: MattH on 03 February, 2012, 08:27:50 am
Really sorry to hear that this will be your last one, Mark. You (and your team of helpers) have done an excellent job with it. Thank you.

My travelodge was booked for it this year at Christmas, the entry sitting in the printer tray for the last few days. I'm just waiting for some C5 shaped TUITs before its in the post to you.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Maverick on 03 February, 2012, 09:51:20 am
I'm also sorry to hear this is to be your last one Mark. My Travelodge is booked, entry with you shortly for my third year in a row - simply the best 600 I've ridden (in an admittedly short Audax career).
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: keeks on 03 February, 2012, 10:03:05 am
All the best Mark and thanks for the rides. The BCM is my bench mark for organisation and a good test of machine , man and kit.



Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 03 February, 2012, 10:06:00 am
Bianchi Boy, please Get the Subject title changed - his name was Bryan Chapman.

Cheers Steve
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Hot Flatus on 03 February, 2012, 10:14:20 am
Thanks for the fun Mark, and may your successors live up to the high standards you have set.  If ever there was something that AUK needs, it is organisers who show this sort of long-term commitment and reliability. This is what can create rides whose legend starts to spread beyond the ultra-narrow confines of the audax world and ensure the regeneration and introduction of flesh blood that will keep the sport alive.  The growth of ride numbers during your tenure says it all. All the better for having been done by word of mouth with no show-boating publicity.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Tewdric on 03 February, 2012, 11:22:34 am
Thanks for the fun Mark, and may your successors live up to the high standards you have set.  If ever there was something that AUK needs, it is organisers who show this sort of long-term commitment and reliability. This is what can create rides whose legend starts to spread beyond the ultra-narrow confines of the audax world and ensure the regeneration and introduction of flesh blood that will keep the sport alive.  The growth of ride numbers during your tenure says it all. All the better for having been done by word of mouth with no show-boating publicity.

Amen to that.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: marcusjb on 03 February, 2012, 12:26:12 pm
Sadly, I won't be riding this event this year, despite it being one of my real goals for the season - a friend has decided this is the ideal day to get married, so I better go join in the fun there.

This does mean I have a Travelodge room available at Severn View for the 18th May and 20th May if anyone would like them - you just need to pretend to be me (I'll Email all the details over to you).  They're for Family Rooms - so they'll sleep two non-consenting adults. 

The Friday night one was £50.95 and the Sunday one £41.95 (I didn't get in early enough to get them for a tenner - but not too bad still).

Drop me a line if you're interested and we'll sort something out.

Just to say that the rooms have now kindly been taken.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Ray 6701 on 03 February, 2012, 12:51:55 pm
Never ridden this but can't pass up the chance to do the last one organised by mark.
Just printed off my entry form, booked the Friday & Monday off work & checked the train prices £45 so not too bad.

Entry will be in the post tonight  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Paul Rainbow on 03 February, 2012, 05:14:43 pm
Just posted my entry, could not miss the last Black Sheep incarnation of this legendary event!

Will be my third year running, a massive thanks to Mark - his encouragement and excellent range of Black Sheep events have moulded me into the Audax lunatic I have proudly become  ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Charlie Boy on 03 February, 2012, 08:00:32 pm
My first so no personal experience, but there is certainly something legendary about this ride and I'm looking forward to it.

By the way, who was Bryan Chapman?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: AndyH on 03 February, 2012, 08:53:09 pm
My last one this year, all things pass.
That's a great shame, I have only ridden it once, but it goes down as one of my best Audax experiences, so many thanks for the great event you provided.

Do you consider yourself as a custodian or the owner of the event Mark? To put it another way are you hoping that someone else takes it over?

The ACP Brevet 5000 is one of this year's aims for me, which didn't need to include include a BRM SR. However seeing the thread about the ACP 10000 award made me think that it would be worth having a BRM SR + Mille Alba. I'd struggled to see how I could fit it in, but the BCM was always a possible. I think you've decided it for me, Entry will be in the post tomorrow

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 03 February, 2012, 09:50:34 pm
Do you consider yourself as a custodian or the owner of the event Mark? To put it another way are you hoping that someone else takes it over?

All organisers are custodians - this is something I've always maintained. And any organiser worth their salt would agree.

History shows that anyone that dogmaticly holds onto something, ultimately kills that something.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: AndyH on 03 February, 2012, 09:58:48 pm
Do you consider yourself as a custodian or the owner of the event Mark? To put it another way are you hoping that someone else takes it over?

All organisers are custodians - this is something I've always maintained. And any organiser worth their salt would agree.

History shows that anyone that dogmaticly holds onto something, ultimately kills that something.

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Redlight on 03 February, 2012, 10:08:08 pm
My first so no personal experience, but there is certainly something legendary about this ride and I'm looking forward to it.

By the way, who was Bryan Chapman?

BC, I am told, was a legendary ride organiser in the 70s. His widow has been known to man controls on other Audax events such as the KSW.

If you're interested, my account of last year's ride - my second attempt and first finish is here (scroll past the intro and the Hailsham 400): http://www.justgiving.com/Rob-McIvor5. 

And I, too, apologise for the mis-spelling. I will correct that once I have remembered my password to the site!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Charlie Boy on 03 February, 2012, 10:18:09 pm

If you're interested, my account of last year's ride - my second attempt and first finish is here (scroll past the intro and the Hailsham 400): http://www.justgiving.com/Rob-McIvor5. 


 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 04 February, 2012, 07:12:31 pm
After three years off the Bryan Chapman Memorial, will be back to do this one, have just printed off the entry form.   Sad to hear that it will be Mark's last; he's done a fantastic job.

2006 was the hardest edition I did; headwinds both ways and more types of rain that the Welsh language has words for.  2008, from memory, was sunny and gentle.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Mike Conway on 04 February, 2012, 09:59:41 pm
I knew I was forgetting something - entry printed - posting with cheque on Monday.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: zigzag on 04 February, 2012, 10:02:38 pm
jolly ol' crowd! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 05 February, 2012, 12:55:11 pm
I will miss this event as I am cycling on a training weekend based in Clun. Don't ask I know the BCM is good training but the people involved are not Audax types. I want to ride through the Elan Valley on the Saturday and may see some of you there. Now the reason for the post.

Where are the second controls? I am looking for food stops at the west end of the Elan Valley and I know that since the last time I road the cafe that was used has shut.

BB
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 05 February, 2012, 01:09:07 pm
Where are the second controls? I am looking for food stops at the west end of the Elan Valley and I know that since the last time I road the cafe that was used has shut.
BB

Clettwr Cafe at Tre'r Ddol now defunct  :'( .

There's the Nant-y-Arian Visitor centre, it on the A44 at it's watershed, visited on the Classic

And there's 'The Woodlands Tearoom, on the A4120 at Devil's Bridge, used on the Scenic.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: D.G.E. on 19 February, 2012, 08:40:05 pm
Entry form and cheque in the post today  :thumbsup:

I'm hoping the climbing on this ride is similar to the hills I'm used to in Norfolk.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: vorsprung on 19 February, 2012, 08:45:35 pm
Entry form and cheque in the post today  :thumbsup:

I'm hoping the climbing on this ride is similar to the hills I'm used to in Norfolk.

Yeah, it's similar.  There's just a little bit more enjoyment.  And there are less turkeys and more sheep
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: D.G.E. on 20 February, 2012, 12:31:14 pm
Thanks for the reassurance Vorsprung!


For future reference, I have booked a family room at the Travelodge should anyone else want to share and help keep the cost down.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: tom_e on 20 February, 2012, 01:00:50 pm
I'm hoping the climbing on this ride is similar to the hills I'm used to in Norfolk.

I'm hoping the climbing on this ride is not similar to the hills I'm used to in Cambridgeshire, or I shall be seriously pissed.


More sensibly, I'm vaguely planning on driving from near Cambridge.  Anybody care to share petrol (or a lift)?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feline on 20 February, 2012, 07:25:19 pm
I've sent in my entry now also. This could be the final ride of Simonp and my tandem SR!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: rogerzilla on 20 February, 2012, 07:27:54 pm
I have no intention of riding this, ever, but I like reading the ride reports.  It always sounds far worse than PBP.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: zigzag on 20 February, 2012, 08:13:45 pm
i'd say bryan chapman = 0.7pbp and without sleep deprivation. about right?..
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Hot Flatus on 20 February, 2012, 08:36:48 pm
I have no intention of riding this, ever, but I like reading the ride reports.  It always sounds far worse than PBP.

You should do, it's really not that hard in itself and it is great fun.  It is the weather that can make it tough. If you can do your through the night FnttS things I'm sure you can do this.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 21 February, 2012, 02:35:30 pm
My SR series entries are all in too:

Dean 300, Easter Arrow (form sent to team captain anyway), Brevet Cymru, Bryan Chapman.  That lot should be just about enough to get a Brevet 25,000. :)

I'm also entered into the Up the Uts 200k as extra training before The Dean, but I'm not sure I'll be able to start.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Somnolent on 21 February, 2012, 03:49:54 pm
OH has mailed our entries.
Don't think either of us will get a 400 in before it, but should manage a 300, maybe two.

Definitely make or break on our first SR attempt because not that easy to organise childcare for a whole weekend. 
Title: Re: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Manotea on 21 February, 2012, 07:10:34 pm
Entry form and cheque in the post today  :thumbsup:

I'm hoping the climbing on this ride is similar to the hills I'm used to in Norfolk.

Yeah, it's similar.  There's just a little bit more enjoyment.  And there are
fewer turkeys and more sheep.
Title: Re: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 21 February, 2012, 08:02:14 pm
Entry form and cheque in the post today  :thumbsup:

I'm hoping the climbing on this ride is similar to the hills I'm used to in Norfolk.

Yeah, it's similar.  There's just a little bit more enjoyment.  And there are
fewer turkeys and more sheep.
Deja vu? or have we been here before?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: AndyH on 21 February, 2012, 08:06:43 pm
I can see I'm going to spend 619k turkey spotting. Which is probably better than counting sheep!
I have no intention of riding this, ever, but I like reading the ride reports.  It always sounds far worse than PBP.

You should do, it's really not that hard in itself and it is great fun.  It is the weather that can make it tough. If you can do your through the night FnttS things I'm sure you can do this.
+1. Looking back on last year I'm not sure which felt better, the BCM or PBP. Probably the BCM.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: LEE on 21 February, 2012, 08:29:18 pm
I have no intention of riding this, ever, but I like reading the ride reports.  It always sounds far worse than PBP.

It's the weather that can make BCM tough and the sleep deprivation that can make PBP tough (in my limited experience) although I found the relentless rolling sections of PBP more energy sapping than anything on BCM.

Apart from the circus/support aspects of PBP nothing about it comes close to the first 300km of BCM, that first day, 2010 in particular, ranks as my best day's cycling ever.  Climbing Pen-Y-Pass in the setting sun will take some beating.  Certainly those long French roads don't ever come close.

To anyone doing it for the first time - As you are approaching Pen-Y-Pass in the dark then yes, those are bicycle rear-lights in the sky, it's not an aircraft, and yes, someone about an hour behind you will be wondering the same thing about your rear lights.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Simonb on 21 February, 2012, 08:42:47 pm
Entry in the post.

Sorry to hear it'll be your last one Mark -- you've made a smashing job of it!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 21 February, 2012, 09:10:39 pm
Personally in 2007 PBP was tough because of the weather. I've not yet had bad weather on the BCM and have avoided overnight rain in 2010 and 2011 by being quick enough to be in bed before it arrived, which was lucky.

The two riders can give very different accounts of the same event on the basis of weather but slower riders spend more time outside and hence stand more chance of bad conditions affecting them.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Redlight on 21 February, 2012, 09:30:38 pm


To anyone doing it for the first time - As you are approaching Pen-Y-Pass in the dark then yes, those are bicycle rear-lights in the sky, it's not an aircraft, and yes, someone about an hour behind you will be wondering the same thing about your rear lights.

Not in my case!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feline on 21 February, 2012, 09:40:43 pm
Personally in 2007 PBP was tough because of the weather. I've not yet had bad weather on the BCM and have avoided overnight rain in 2010 and 2011 by being quick enough to be in bed before it arrived, which was lucky.

The two riders can give very different accounts of the same event on the basis of weather but slower riders spend more time outside and hence stand more chance of bad conditions affecting them.

I wonder if the two of us will give very different accounts of the same ride this year?  ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: STMS on 21 February, 2012, 10:20:53 pm
Quote
To anyone doing it for the first time - As you are approaching Pen-Y-Pass in the dark then yes, those are bicycle rear-lights in the sky, it's not an aircraft, and yes, someone about an hour behind you will be wondering the same thing about your rear lights.

As i was climbing to the right i saw the lights way up to the left and convinced myself it wasn't part of the climb ;D untill i turned left.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 21 February, 2012, 10:22:59 pm
The demoralising thing is seeing lights coming the other way while you're heading north. Only happened to me in 2007.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: red marley on 21 February, 2012, 10:27:13 pm
Almost all of us experience that approaching Menai Bridge. It's when it happens on the track of the Youth Hostel that it becomes demoralising.

Unfortunately, I can't make Black Sheep's final Bryan Chapman this year, but I hear the weather is going to be perfect. So make the most of it.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 21 February, 2012, 10:31:26 pm
Yes, I was mentally excluding the overlap at Menai Bridge, more the common section north of Penrhyndreudreth.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 21 February, 2012, 11:28:44 pm
All this talk of sunsets over Pen-y-Pass has brought back memories of my first Bryan Chapman and a few demons faced.

http://wp.me/p1NGJL-M

The weather was interesting in 2006  O:-)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Yossarian on 22 February, 2012, 08:17:46 am
My entry is also in the post...

This is a complete step into the unknown for me, to date my longest rides have been on or around the 200km mark, so I'm hoping that two 300km's (The Dean and 3Down), two 400km's (Buckingham Blinder and Brevet Cymru) and whatever I can fit in between will prepare me for whatever this ride will throw at me... which may well be a nervous breakdown in the middle of Wales during the night...

I have met a few people over the last months or so on the Hills and Mills and Mad Jacks Audax's whom were also planning a similar trajectory towards an SR, and whom also appeared to be approaching it from a similar starting point as myself in terms of Audax experience/ fitness and also London based.. let me know if anyone is up for some long miles as preparation.

Joel   
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Hot Flatus on 22 February, 2012, 09:09:03 am
You'll be fine. I'd only done a 200,300, and 400. What works for me is taking food with me on the first day, noshing half a peanut-butter and banana laced hot-cross bun every half hour and getting in and out of food stops as quick as possible. The aim being to be in bed by midnight.

The second day is sort of irrelevant, unless you've dragged your feet on the first day and ended up having to ride through the night.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Priddy on 22 February, 2012, 09:18:17 am
You shouldn't have a problem Yossarian. I did the BCM with one fewer 400 than you. I also did the Brevet Cymru and the Dean before attempting the BCM and thoroughly enjoyed it.

I would agree with Hot Flatus, the second day was met with renewed vigor and was just like any other 200, although through some stunning countryside.  :thumbsup:

I shan't be there this year, but am really looking forward to coming back and doing it again.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: L CC on 22 February, 2012, 09:19:30 am
Ride plan TM Tuggo: Ride as hard as you can to the midnight control, sleep till 4, finish by teatime.

We'll see. Chris S (kg)+ fboab (kg) currently equals 3 x Tuggo (kg).

I didn't really want to do it this year. I wanted to save it to have something else to look forward to, but I don't want to miss the blacksheep edition. O well... mtfu, as they say...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: tom_e on 22 February, 2012, 09:32:27 am
Another one taking a bit of a leap into the dark here.  I haven't cycled further than about 235km before, but felt good at the end.  Planning most of the rides on my own, but vaguely an SR series type progression with an extra ride thrown in.  Objective is to be prepared and fit enough to enjoy the BCM.

So far this year I've done one 188km in temperatures down to -13.  I'm hoping they'll get longer, but no harder than that.  Next step is Up the Uts with cycling to and from to bring it up near 300.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: thesloth on 22 February, 2012, 10:36:31 am
I'm in.

Enjoyed this last year & hopefully I will enjoy it even more this year as I will be better prepared and will not get lost...alone...in the dark...cold...& rain.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 22 February, 2012, 11:08:52 am
I've completed 9x 600k and the 3 fastest times were all on the BCM 2004 route. 'nuff said.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Jasmine on 22 February, 2012, 11:39:51 am
Personally in 2007 PBP was tough because of the weather. I've not yet had bad weather on the BCM and have avoided overnight rain in 2010 and 2011 by being quick enough to be in bed before it arrived, which was lucky.


How quick were you?!  It started raining mid afternoon on the Saturday in Dolgellau.  We had rain the whole way after King's until halfway up the Gwynant when it started to hail.  It started raining on Anglesey in the morning.  I changed my clothes/shoes in Menai Bridge and was soaked through before reaching Rhyd Ddu.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 22 February, 2012, 11:47:46 am
Personally in 2007 PBP was tough because of the weather. I've not yet had bad weather on the BCM and have avoided overnight rain in 2010 and 2011 by being quick enough to be in bed before it arrived, which was lucky.


How quick were you?!  It started raining mid afternoon on the Saturday in Dolgellau.  We had rain the whole way after King's until halfway up the Gwynant when it started to hail.  It started raining on Anglesey in the morning.  I changed my clothes/shoes in Menai Bridge and was soaked through before reaching Rhyd Ddu.

I got slightly wet on the way up Pen-y-Pass, but avoided the heavy downpour at Dolgellau on the way north by being indoors when it hit. I thought it rained overnight too. Maybe I misremembered, or it was 2008. I've always got back to Kings between 1am and 2am.

I think you guys were ahead of me at that stage, you overtook when I was stopped at the 150k control and I don't think I saw you again.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: zigzag on 22 February, 2012, 12:21:07 pm
<...>
lost...alone...in the dark...cold...& rain.

no wind?.. pah ;)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: thesloth on 22 February, 2012, 12:27:37 pm
<...>
lost...alone...in the dark...cold...& rain.

no wind?.. pah ;)

I skipped the beans at Menai Bridge and just had rice pudding
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 23 February, 2012, 02:23:27 pm
Quick turn-around from Mr Blacksheep, I have my routesheets for the Brevet Cymru and the Bryan Chapman, returned in the same envelope with one of my SAEs returned. :)

Now to ignore the routesheets as usual and use my gpx files.  ;D

Title: Re: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Manotea on 23 February, 2012, 02:38:55 pm
Ride plan TM Tuggo: Ride as hard as you can to the midnight control...
You'll be sleeping at menaii then?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 23 February, 2012, 02:52:57 pm
Quick turn-around from Mr Blacksheep, I have my routesheets for the Brevet Cymru and the Bryan Chapman, returned in the same envelope with one of my SAEs returned. :)

Now to ignore the routesheets as usual and use my gpx files.  ;D



A shed load of info will be going out to all entrants in the next few days, this will include ride description, a few tips on what does and does not work. GPX files (that work). Places to stay etc, etc.

Please sit tight, there are a lot of names to get into the Bcc box. And I don't want to get bogged-down with individual issues at the moment it will take more than one e-mail to get all the info out to you.
Title: Re: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: L CC on 23 February, 2012, 02:59:41 pm
Ride plan TM Tuggo: Ride as hard as you can to the midnight control...
You'll be sleeping at menaii then?
Not at all. We'll be tucked up at Kings by 1am.


*laughs hysterically

(What have we let ourselves in for???)
Title: Re: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 23 February, 2012, 03:15:17 pm
Not at all. We'll be tucked up at Kings by 1am.


*laughs hysterically

(What have we let ourselves in for???)

The best cycling weekend of your life  ;)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 23 February, 2012, 03:24:47 pm
Someone said to me at Bronllys in 2008, "If we keep this up we'll be in Menai Bridge by sunset".

I thought that'd be nice but also improbable. I was wrong. I was at 200km at 14:00 ish and I was at the Menai control at 20:30. About 45 minutes before sunset. It wasn't only me that was surprised by this.

In subsequent years I've paced myself better over the first 200k (averaging 29kph to Bronllys is a bit fast) and taken about 9h for the first 200k but been about 1h faster from there to Menai. That 8h 200k remains a PB.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: vorsprung on 23 February, 2012, 03:31:33 pm
Ride plan TM Tuggo

You have an orange tricycle???
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: L CC on 23 February, 2012, 03:56:51 pm
Ride plan TM Tuggo

You have an orange tricycle???
No, and neither does he1.

This is the ride strategy recommended to me by TMFKAFT for 'long rides'. I don't get the dozies like he does, but Mr Smith does, so we shall utilising the strategy as best as possible.

I can't believe I've allowed myself to get drawn into this thread already. I've been trying very hard not to think about it.
It's months away. But. Already. I haz teh fear.

1:(Anymore. It's now duck egg blue. It, with the rest of his fleet, will only fall to me on the hopefully far far distant day when he gets it wrong and a tree falls on him.)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 23 February, 2012, 05:09:56 pm
ChrisS did the Brevet Cymru last year. To quote Blacksheep:

"If you can do the Brevet Cymru you can do the Bryan Chapman"

If you can, I'd recommend riding that as a warm-up.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: L CC on 23 February, 2012, 08:13:05 pm
ChrisS did the Brevet Cymru last year. To quote Blacksheep:

"If you can do the Brevet Cymru you can do the Bryan Chapman"

If you can, I'd recommend riding that as a warm-up.
We're not. It'll be something to look forward to another time. If everything goes according to plan, that weekend we're doing the MSG/Flatlands 600, as 3 x 200.
 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Redlight on 27 February, 2012, 01:22:57 pm
Worth noting for anyone planning to get there by train from London that FGW tickets are now on sale for up to May 21st. I noticed that between Friday and today, the price of a single had gone up by about £8!

I'll be on the 15.45 Paddington to Parkway if anybody fancies cruising down from there to the Severn View Travelodge via the pub at Aust  :) and taking the train back at a leisurely 10.30 on the Monday.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Bairdy on 27 February, 2012, 08:25:32 pm
I'd love to do this.
Having never ridden beyond 210km I'm not sure I'll be ready for it this May.
Got a 300km planned and my eye on a 400km but still can't quite get my head around a 600  ???
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Hummers on 27 February, 2012, 08:33:07 pm
I'd love to do this.
Having never ridden beyond 210km I'm not sure I'll be ready for it this May.
Got a 300km planned and my eye on a 400km but still can't quite get my head around a 600  ???

You've already ridden a 200.

Do the 300 and then move on to the 400.

Do the 400 and then move on to the 600...

H

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Salvatore on 27 February, 2012, 08:38:55 pm
I'd love to do this.
Having never ridden beyond 210km I'm not sure I'll be ready for it this May.

There's only one way to find out. And it involves being in Chepstow at 6 am on May 19th.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 27 February, 2012, 09:11:44 pm
There's only one way to find out. And it involves being in Chepstow at 6 am on May 19th.


"The Great One's" big brother has spoken.

Be there or be "a tri-angle "
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Bairdy on 27 February, 2012, 09:24:04 pm
I'd love to do this.
Having never ridden beyond 210km I'm not sure I'll be ready for it this May.

There's only one way to find out. And it involves being in Chepstow at 6 am on May 19th.

I knew this would happen  :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Redlight on 27 February, 2012, 11:06:18 pm
I'd love to do this.
Having never ridden beyond 210km I'm not sure I'll be ready for it this May.

There's only one way to find out. And it involves being in Chepstow at 6 am on May 19th.

I knew this would happen  :)

You should probably start practising your French for August 2015...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Bairdy on 28 February, 2012, 06:49:29 am
I'd love to do this.
Having never ridden beyond 210km I'm not sure I'll be ready for it this May.

There's only one way to find out. And it involves being in Chepstow at 6 am on May 19th.

I knew this would happen  :)

You should probably start practising your French for August 2015...

On it. I've got ten days cycling in Provence this Summer.
PBP is on the list.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Somnolent on 28 February, 2012, 08:41:13 am
I knew this would happen  :)

You'll not be the only one at Chepstow for whom 600 is a whole new world...
And whilst I expect to have done another 300 before then (only my second) I can't see a way to fit in a 400 before.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Bairdy on 28 February, 2012, 09:13:43 am
I knew this would happen  :)

You'll not be the only one at Chepstow for whom 600 is a whole new world...
And whilst I expect to have done another 300 before then (only my second) I can't see a way to fit in a 400 before.

I not sure I'll be at Chepstow at 6.00am on May 19th  :(

It's not just the 600km it's the 8300m of climbing that's the main concern. (I had a knee operation last year.)
I might go for the Cambrian 600 this year as that will give me chance to do a 300 and 400 before hand and it won't be such a strain on my knee.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Paul D on 28 February, 2012, 09:21:56 am
It's not just the 600km it's the 8300m of climbing that's the main concern. (I had a knee operation last year.)
I might go for the Cambrian 600 this year as that will give me chance to do a 300 and 400 before hand and it won't be such a strain on my knee.

In strain-on-knees terms, don't get hung up on the Chapman's headline climbing figure. A lot of it is done on long A road climbs rather than short sharp lanes (the YH approach not withstanding).

Climbing at 5-6% for 45 minutes is possibly better for the knees than 2 minutes grinding up a 12%+?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Yossarian on 28 February, 2012, 09:40:06 am
Bairdy - I'm approaching the BCM having never really ridden over 210km previously. I've also met a number of people who are doing the same, so there will be a quite a number of people in the same boat. Also, I have a shoddy neck which may rear its ugly head on anything over 300 and be the main limiting factor to the completion of the BCM (unless I can get my hands on a Penny Farthing).

I suppose there are three ways this ride will end - I start and complete it, I start and drop out, or simply don't start at all - certainly the last option is the one that I most want to avoid.

What is the 300 and 400 that you were planning to do?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Paul D on 28 February, 2012, 09:45:18 am
I suppose there are three ways this ride will end - I start and complete it, I start and drop out, or simply don't start at all - certainly the last option is the one that I most want to avoid.

"The men who try to do something and fail are infinitely better than those who try nothing and succeed".
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Redlight on 28 February, 2012, 10:29:51 am
I failed the first time, completed it with about an hour to spare the second time and will be attempting to see Snowdonia in daylight on the third time. By 2015 I hope to be able to get back to Kings in time for some horizontal sleep!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Bairdy on 28 February, 2012, 10:40:54 am
It's not just the 600km it's the 8300m of climbing that's the main concern. (I had a knee operation last year.)
I might go for the Cambrian 600 this year as that will give me chance to do a 300 and 400 before hand and it won't be such a strain on my knee.

In strain-on-knees terms, don't get hung up on the Chapman's headline climbing figure. A lot of it is done on long A road climbs rather than short sharp lanes (the YH approach not withstanding).

Climbing at 5-6% for 45 minutes is possibly better for the knees than 2 minutes grinding up a 12%+?

That is good to know having done the Lon Las Cymru twice with a heavily laden bike (camping).
I was thinking it would be similar with lots of short steep lanes.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Bairdy on 28 February, 2012, 10:53:18 am
Bairdy - I'm approaching the BCM having never really ridden over 210km previously. I've also met a number of people who are doing the same, so there will be a quite a number of people in the same boat. Also, I have a shoddy neck which may rear its ugly head on anything over 300 and be the main limiting factor to the completion of the BCM (unless I can get my hands on a Penny Farthing).

I suppose there are three ways this ride will end - I start and complete it, I start and drop out, or simply don't start at all - certainly the last option is the one that I most want to avoid.

What is the 300 and 400 that you were planning to do?

O.K. I've done 7 x 200k's since October.
The plan was to do Honiton Old Roads 300 in May, Avalon Sunrise 400 in June, Cambrian 600 July and BCM next year.
Fitness wise I've no worries but I need to drop about 8kg's and get a triple to make it less like Hell.
Injuries wise, dodgy knee, which is still healing, bad lower back, which seems to be less of an issue on my latter 200k's
and a bad neck after so many K's.
I don't expect to be pain free though......does anybody riding Audax events?

I don't really want to go into the BCM  unprepared and have a bad experience and I think May might just be a bit too soon for me.
On top of that I'm off to France for 10 days cycling a week later with the Missus (she might want me to do BCM to bring me down to her pace in France :) )
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Tewdric on 28 February, 2012, 11:39:58 am
I'f you've done 7 200s since October you could get round the BC tomorrow.  Just get on with it man!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Nuncio on 28 February, 2012, 12:18:21 pm
In strain-on-knees terms, don't get hung up on the Chapman's headline climbing figure. A lot of it is done on long A road climbs rather than short sharp lanes (the YH approach not withstanding).

Climbing at 5-6% for 45 minutes is possibly better for the knees than 2 minutes grinding up a 12%+?

I periodically experience a recurrence of a knee problem, and I'd agree with that (except that 'standing' on the YH approach for a breather is permitted so I don't know why Paul says it's not). There's also that final Llancloudy climb and the little sharp one shortly after the 'Left at Forge - easily missed', but over 619 km that's, what, 250m in total?

[Is Bairdy beginning to crumble yet, do we think?]
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feanor on 28 February, 2012, 12:25:05 pm
It's not just the 600km it's the 8300m of climbing that's the main concern. (I had a knee operation last year.)
I might go for the Cambrian 600 this year as that will give me chance to do a 300 and 400 before hand and it won't be such a strain on my knee.

In strain-on-knees terms, don't get hung up on the Chapman's headline climbing figure. A lot of it is done on long A road climbs rather than short sharp lanes (the YH approach not withstanding).

Climbing at 5-6% for 45 minutes is possibly better for the knees than 2 minutes grinding up a 12%+?

That's interesting to know.
I'd imagined it more like doing the Snow Roads twice in a row.
This is tempting.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Paul D on 28 February, 2012, 12:30:53 pm
I'd imagined it more like doing the Snow Roads twice in a row.

No, you're thinking of the Kernow & Southwest or Wessex Hellfire 600s. The Chapman is a ride to enjoy, not endure.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: urban_biker on 28 February, 2012, 01:00:29 pm

I periodically experience a recurrence of a knee problem, and I'd agree with that (except that 'standing' on the YH approach for a breather is permitted so I don't know why Paul says it's not).


Last time I rode this in 2010 I arrived back at the hostel in the early hours, soaking wet in the peeing rain only to fluff a gear change on the initial hill, toppling over and somehow finding myself sliding backwards down the hill with my bike on top of me. I felt it was OK to walk up the hill at that point. It was about all I could manage.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: LEE on 28 February, 2012, 01:25:07 pm
Bairdy - I'm approaching the BCM having never really ridden over 210km previously. I've also met a number of people who are doing the same, so there will be a quite a number of people in the same boat. Also, I have a shoddy neck which may rear its ugly head on anything over 300 and be the main limiting factor to the completion of the BCM

Dealing with neck and shoulder pain has almost always been the challenge of long-distance cycling for me (rather than the pedalling aspect).  The best thing I ever did was start wearing a YACF buff (other Buffs are available) as a neck-scarf.  I still ended up in pain/discomfort eventually but the extra warmth in that area delayed the onset by 200km.  A lot of my problem was due to cold air flowing around my neck and shoulders causing cramp.  Long fast descents, under braking, in the cold and wet were a nightmare.  A Buff helped a lot.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Redlight on 28 February, 2012, 01:26:05 pm
The approach to the hostel, especially the second time, is the worst part of the ride. I could almost bear it if it was just a steady climb up but the fact that it goes up, then down, then up again knocks the stuffing out of me.

(The turning by the old forge is a sod too, if you meet a car coming the other way!)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: vorsprung on 28 February, 2012, 01:32:03 pm
I'd imagined it more like doing the Snow Roads twice in a row.

No, you're thinking of the Kernow & Southwest or Wessex Hellfire 600s. The Chapman is a ride to enjoy, not endure.  :thumbsup:

Yes, the BCM is only an endurance event if the weather is diabolical.  If the weather is ok then the scenery is so great that the time passes very quickly

The BCM has run two versions in recent years, the "Scenic" and the "Classic".  Only the "Classic" is on this year.  They both start at the same time and have many common controls but the "Scenic" does lots of extra climbing and uses a steeper, lanier route.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: MattH on 28 February, 2012, 01:46:10 pm
Injuries wise, dodgy knee, which is still healing, bad lower back, which seems to be less of an issue on my latter 200k's
and a bad neck after so many K's.

Without having seen your bike setup, have you thought about raising your bars? Flipping or replacing your stem to put them a couple of inches can make a world of difference to lower back and neck pain as you get a much more upright position. It may look "unsporting" but it's worthwhile  doing, at least until your back is better and you've built up the core strength to support you properly.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feanor on 28 February, 2012, 01:49:12 pm
I've just grabbed a GPX off t'Internet from someone who did it previously, and am examining it using bikehike.

Is the basic deal that you do it as a 400 up the Western leg ( control @YH, continue to Menai Bridge, and loop back to YH again ) grab a bit of kip and then a 200 home down the Eastern leg?

Looks do-able.
Did spot the chevrons on the road up to the YH.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: LEE on 28 February, 2012, 01:50:15 pm
The approach to the hostel, especially the second time, is the worst part of the ride. I could almost bear it if it was just a steady climb up but the fact that it goes up, then down, then up again knocks the stuffing out of me.

(The turning by the old forge is a sod too, if you meet a car coming the other way!)

Basically you need to be in 1st gear before the red post box or you will spend the next 30 seconds desperately mangling your gears, ripping your thighs apart or just toppling off.

It's an absolutely beautiful lane to ride along though, every time I hear running water over rocks I get a flashback to this wonderful lane (it is a bloody slog in places though).

1st Gear NOW!!! (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=kings+yha+dolgellau&hl=en&ll=52.736142,-3.957438&spn=0.001298,0.002411&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=20.824402,39.506836&hq=kings+yha&hnear=Dolgellau,+Gwynedd,+United+Kingdom&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=52.736242,-3.958008&panoid=ReZepPqFEUNk1aWMnATw6g&cbp=12,89.82,,0,18.06)


Some highlights

Looking back at the poor buggers behind you (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=pen-y-pass&hl=en&ll=53.077068,-4.010729&spn=0.001287,0.002411&sll=52.736425,-3.957283&sspn=0.001304,0.003433&hnear=Pen-y-Pass,+Gwynedd,+United+Kingdom&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=53.0771,-4.010868&panoid=YplMUQNH9LwvpCxLYMpTNA&cbp=12,164.91,,0,-0.9) as you approach Pen-Y-Pass (It's usually dark, and sometime horizontally sleeting when I am at this point)

The scariest descent in my life (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=cross+foxes+dolgellau&hl=en&ll=52.737285,-3.774267&spn=0.001298,0.002411&sll=52.965804,-4.110603&sspn=0.165217,0.308647&hq=cross+foxes&hnear=Dolgellau,+Gwynedd,+United+Kingdom&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=52.737285,-3.774267&panoid=2gkYdNXHHENov9Vgs4XCJA&cbp=12,130.98,,0,-11.21) at Cross-Foxes.  Again in horizontal sleet, brake levers back to the bars, still accelerating and the bike trying its best to shake me off.  It's been a lot better in recent years but I still get nervous.  Last year I even managed to check out the amazing scenery....it was...Sunny!!!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feline on 28 February, 2012, 01:55:29 pm
The approach to the hostel, especially the second time, is the worst part of the ride. I could almost bear it if it was just a steady climb up but the fact that it goes up, then down, then up again knocks the stuffing out of me.

(The turning by the old forge is a sod too, if you meet a car coming the other way!)

Basically you need to be in 1st gear before the red post box or you will spend the next 30 seconds desperately mangling your gears, ripping your thighs apart or just toppling off.

It's an absolutely beautiful lane to ride along though, every time I hear running water over rocks I get a flashback to this wonderful lane (it is a bloody slog in places though).

1st Gear NOW!!! (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=kings+yha+dolgellau&hl=en&ll=52.736142,-3.957438&spn=0.001298,0.002411&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=20.824402,39.506836&hq=kings+yha&hnear=Dolgellau,+Gwynedd,+United+Kingdom&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=52.736242,-3.958008&panoid=ReZepPqFEUNk1aWMnATw6g&cbp=12,89.82,,0,18.06)

Ridable on a tandem, do you think?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 28 February, 2012, 01:57:50 pm
Defeated me on 71" fixed that did. Only hill I walked between may and October.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: LEE on 28 February, 2012, 02:01:28 pm
The approach to the hostel, especially the second time, is the worst part of the ride. I could almost bear it if it was just a steady climb up but the fact that it goes up, then down, then up again knocks the stuffing out of me.

(The turning by the old forge is a sod too, if you meet a car coming the other way!)

Basically you need to be in 1st gear before the red post box or you will spend the next 30 seconds desperately mangling your gears, ripping your thighs apart or just toppling off.

It's an absolutely beautiful lane to ride along though, every time I hear running water over rocks I get a flashback to this wonderful lane (it is a bloody slog in places though).

1st Gear NOW!!! (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=kings+yha+dolgellau&hl=en&ll=52.736142,-3.957438&spn=0.001298,0.002411&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=20.824402,39.506836&hq=kings+yha&hnear=Dolgellau,+Gwynedd,+United+Kingdom&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=52.736242,-3.958008&panoid=ReZepPqFEUNk1aWMnATw6g&cbp=12,89.82,,0,18.06)

Ridable on a tandem, do you think?

It's a VERY tight left-hander.  You'll need to be in first gear and approach it from the wrong side of the road I suspect.

It's only really bad if it takes you by surprise (and it takes most people by surprise)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feline on 28 February, 2012, 02:03:36 pm
The approach to the hostel, especially the second time, is the worst part of the ride. I could almost bear it if it was just a steady climb up but the fact that it goes up, then down, then up again knocks the stuffing out of me.

(The turning by the old forge is a sod too, if you meet a car coming the other way!)

Basically you need to be in 1st gear before the red post box or you will spend the next 30 seconds desperately mangling your gears, ripping your thighs apart or just toppling off.

It's an absolutely beautiful lane to ride along though, every time I hear running water over rocks I get a flashback to this wonderful lane (it is a bloody slog in places though).

1st Gear NOW!!! (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=kings+yha+dolgellau&hl=en&ll=52.736142,-3.957438&spn=0.001298,0.002411&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=20.824402,39.506836&hq=kings+yha&hnear=Dolgellau,+Gwynedd,+United+Kingdom&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=52.736242,-3.958008&panoid=ReZepPqFEUNk1aWMnATw6g&cbp=12,89.82,,0,18.06)

Ridable on a tandem, do you think?

It's a VERY tight left-hander.  You'll need to be in first gear and approach it from the wrong side of the road I suspect.

Maybe the method of going past it, turning round and then heading straight for it will be a better option then, our tandem has a 6 foot wheelbase and a turn that tight could result in a front wheel rolling backwards while back wheel moving forwards disaster!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 28 February, 2012, 02:07:43 pm
I have been thinking about it. It is a very sharp left indeed and then you are climbing steeply. It's almost like doing a left handed u turn and the climbing starts immediately. There is also the risk of meeting someone coming down the hill so it's not wise to swing very wide on the exit of the corner. I did that bit by doing a u turn in the road and taking a run at it but the second steep bit got me.

With our gearing we ought to be able to get up it but I'd like other tandem riders say they did it before we attempt such a tight turn.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 28 February, 2012, 02:09:59 pm
We'd have more room to turn from the wrong side of the road but iirc you don't have a huge amount of visibility of oncoming traffic there.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feline on 28 February, 2012, 02:10:49 pm
I have been thinking about it. It is a very sharp left indeed and then you are climbing steeply. It's almost like doing a left handed u turn and the climbing starts immediately. There is also the risk of meeting someone coming down the hill so it's not wise to swing very wide on the exit of the corner. I did that bit by doing a u turn in the road and taking a run at it but the second steep bit got me.

With our gearing we ought to be able to get up it but I'd like other tandem riders say they did it before we attempt such a tight turn.

If you attempt that tight turn you might be surprised to find no one the back as you attempt the climb  ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Bairdy on 28 February, 2012, 02:14:16 pm
In strain-on-knees terms, don't get hung up on the Chapman's headline climbing figure. A lot of it is done on long A road climbs rather than short sharp lanes (the YH approach not withstanding).

Climbing at 5-6% for 45 minutes is possibly better for the knees than 2 minutes grinding up a 12%+?

I periodically experience a recurrence of a knee problem, and I'd agree with that (except that 'standing' on the YH approach for a breather is permitted so I don't know why Paul says it's not). There's also that final Llancloudy climb and the little sharp one shortly after the 'Left at Forge - easily missed', but over 619 km that's, what, 250m in total?

[Is Bairdy beginning to crumble yet, do we think?]
;)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 28 February, 2012, 02:15:31 pm
Just had a look on street view. It looks fine. Plenty room to get round if we make the turn from the middle of the road.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feline on 28 February, 2012, 02:17:25 pm
Just had a look on street view. It looks fine. Plenty room to get round if we make the turn from the middle of the road.

What street view are you looking at? The one I looked at looked less than fine  ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: MattH on 28 February, 2012, 02:19:55 pm
I've just grabbed a GPX off t'Internet from someone who did it previously, and am examining it using bikehike.

Is the basic deal that you do it as a 400 up the Western leg ( control @YH, continue to Menai Bridge, and loop back to YH again ) grab a bit of kip and then a 200 home down the Eastern leg?

That's it. The YH normally has a bag drop available too (small bags only), which means that you can leave warm clothes there for the evening/night ride up to Menai and back, and clean clothes for the next day. It also has plenty of volunteers (usually well known audaxers) to feed and pamper you. Then up in the morning, a wake-up climb early on, second breakfast of sausage or bacon butties at the next control, a mid-afternoon picnic on the grass opposite the village shop at Weobley and cruise back to the Arrivee in time for a little light supper.

Oh yes, there's the rollers at Llancloudy. I love them - bit of a climb, fast swooping descent, try to keep up the momentum over the top of the next one, rinse, repeat until the final bigger ascent. Lovely  :thumbsup: I'm not a fantastic climber, but I don't think there's anything on the BCM that I worry about. The one before the YH you just need to know about or you won't make it up (and if you do decide to walk it's very short and you won't be alone), the one after the forge I had to walk once - I got stopped at the bottom and it was too wet and muddy to get traction to get going again.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 28 February, 2012, 02:23:17 pm
I met a car at the rh bend at the top of the forge climb last year. Has the tyre slashing dog been put down?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: LEE on 28 February, 2012, 02:25:42 pm
Just had a look on street view. It looks fine. Plenty room to get round if we make the turn from the middle of the road.

What street view are you looking at? The one I looked at looked less than fine  ;D

The Street View of a different corner (Did George Michael write a song about it?) I think
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 28 February, 2012, 02:43:01 pm
This:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=barmouth&hl=en&ll=52.736092,-3.958239&spn=0.0023,0.005724&sll=51.28442,-2.819352&sspn=0.038008,0.091581&hnear=Barmouth,+Gwynedd,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=18&layer=c&cbll=52.736092,-3.958239&panoid=1feuiX-wNCn28kXRc4NhzQ&cbp=12,40.54,,0,10.88

The curve radius on the inside of the bend is fine, I think. We've done tighter turns than that.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: MattH on 28 February, 2012, 02:46:19 pm
That streetview image just about totally fails to show how nasty it is in real life!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Chris N on 28 February, 2012, 02:48:14 pm
Defeated me on 71" fixed that did.

I just about managed it both times in 2009.  I'm going to try again this year. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Bairdy on 28 February, 2012, 02:58:35 pm
Injuries wise, dodgy knee, which is still healing, bad lower back, which seems to be less of an issue on my latter 200k's
and a bad neck after so many K's.

Without having seen your bike setup, have you thought about raising your bars? Flipping or replacing your stem to put them a couple of inches can make a world of difference to lower back and neck pain as you get a much more upright position. It may look "unsporting" but it's worthwhile  doing, at least until your back is better and you've built up the core strength to support you properly.

I have tilted the bars back a couple of cm to bring the hoods closer to me which has helped but think a shorter / taller stem would be a good idea.
I also need to think about lighting as the current lights are O.K for an hour or so at the end of a 200k. Not sure they'd be good enough for riding through the night.
Don't mind the bike looking "unsporting" as I look very unsporting myself.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 28 February, 2012, 03:03:32 pm
That streetview image just about totally fails to show how nasty it is in real life!

 :facepalm:

Work with me here, dammit!

 ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: tonyh on 28 February, 2012, 03:08:46 pm
ok...

It looks quite gentle, beautifully surfaced too. Next time I'm arriving back at Kings at 6am I'll be able to ride it easily.

(uncrosses fingers)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 28 February, 2012, 03:17:46 pm
It does look as though it's been resurfaced recently in that view, to be fair.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: tom_e on 28 February, 2012, 03:19:12 pm
Got me worried with this bit now - I'm going to break into a nervous sweat and drop to granny ring at every little red postbox.  Will keep me distracted, I suppose.  ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Somnolent on 28 February, 2012, 03:21:20 pm
It all sounds "good fun"   I shall set up a proximity waypoint on the GPS - which will remind me to disengage the "gears" and engage "The Winch" TM
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Paul D on 28 February, 2012, 03:22:22 pm
I only have four words for you lot: Free. Route. Between. Controls.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 28 February, 2012, 03:23:16 pm
Don't forget this:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=barmouth&ll=52.720107,-4.046764&spn=0.00115,0.002862&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&hnear=Barmouth,+Gwynedd,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=19&layer=c&cbll=52.720081,-4.04683&panoid=OrjsynTmZiyDzvFzoXueEw&cbp=12,217.62,,0,21.93
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 28 February, 2012, 03:24:21 pm
I only have four words for you lot: Free. Route. Between. Controls.

Approach the YHA from behind? I thought someone had tried this and decided it was a bad idea?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Nuncio on 28 February, 2012, 03:25:25 pm

Is the basic deal that you do it as a 400 up the Western leg ( control @YH, continue to Menai Bridge, and loop back to YH again ) grab a bit of kip and then a 200 home down the Eastern leg?


As everyone else is ignoring you Feanor, yes, except that it’s not quite 400 before the YH, and more than 200 afterwards.  Also, it’s 619km rather than 600km, and, as with all over-distance events, the extra comes at the end when you’re tired rather than the beginning when you’re fresh. 

In the past I’ve tended to get back to Kings YH at about 2:30-3:30 and left at 6:30-7:00.  There will be more than 50% of the field who have arrived before me, but there are always some people coming in as I’m leaving, and they usually manage to finish in time. 

The ride on the A470 (I think) to get from Maentwrog to the YH is usually the most gruelling cycling I experience every year, purely because of tiredness (and a tedious climb to Trawsfynnydd).  Conversely, day 2 of the BCM is always a highlight of the cycling year, because I’ve always felt so good – at least as far as the 600km mark.

One of the highlights is the final control at Weobley.  By then you’re back in England, so the roads are rougher but the weather is better.  The control is a receipt from the village shop, but there’s a village green opposite and you’ll find quite a few relaxed BCMers, relaxing and chatting in the afternoon sun, some lazing in the blossom-strewn greensward, supping their Frijjs and munching on their Ginsters, job nearly done.  It may not be quite so relaxed for those behind, or for those ahead who raced and are home while I’m still doing my greensward-lazing.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: mattc on 28 February, 2012, 03:31:25 pm
I only have four words for you lot: Free. Route. Between. Controls.

Approach the YHA from behind? I thought someone had tried this and decided it was a bad idea?

I have indeed (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?saddr=Cader+Rd&daddr=52.7201704,-3.9468418+to:Kings+Youth+Hostel,+Islawr-dref,+Dolgellau,+Dolgellau+LL40+1TB+(Youth+Hostels+Association)&hl=en&ll=52.71945,-3.945036&spn=0.013829,0.055189&sll=52.737435,-3.891993&sspn=0.030401,0.055189&geocode=FZfGJAMdoanE_w%3BFSpyJAMdp8bD_yk73PibC3xlSDHI01xjHChJAw%3BFbuHJAMdnrbD_yFlweUhq-U53g&mra=dme&mrsp=0&sz=14&via=1&t=p&z=14&layer=c&cbll=52.719445,-3.94501&panoid=2uSjEG6sPPZ9FFoPTvvDLw&cbp=12,180,,0,0)
It's a little hillier overall, but with superb views of the N flank of Cader Idris. The road is signposted NCN as you leave Dolgellau, but it's a "R no sp" onto the narrow track down to the YH, so beware.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Chris S on 28 February, 2012, 03:35:09 pm
Goodness me - this is one of the hottest threads on YACF this afternoon. You'd think the ride was this coming Saturday, not three months away  :o.

Ain't you people got anything better to do?  ;)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: chillmoister on 28 February, 2012, 03:43:47 pm

Is the basic deal that you do it as a 400 up the Western leg ( control @YH, continue to Menai Bridge, and loop back to YH again ) grab a bit of kip and then a 200 home down the Eastern leg?


As everyone else is ignoring you Feanor, yes, except that it’s not quite 400 before the YH, and more than 200 afterwards.  Also, it’s 619km rather than 600km, and, as with all over-distance events, the extra comes at the end when you’re tired rather than the beginning when you’re fresh. 

In the past I’ve tended to get back to Kings YH at about 2:30-3:30 and left at 6:30-7:00.  There will be more than 50% of the field who have arrived before me, but there are always some people coming in as I’m leaving, and they usually manage to finish in time. 

The ride on the A470 (I think) to get from Maentwrog to the YH is usually the most gruelling cycling I experience every year, purely because of tiredness (and a tedious climb to Trawsfynnydd).  Conversely, day 2 of the BCM is always a highlight of the cycling year, because I’ve always felt so good – at least as far as the 600km mark.

One of the highlights is the final control at Weobley.  By then you’re back in England, so the roads are rougher but the weather is better.  The control is a receipt from the village shop, but there’s a village green opposite and you’ll find quite a few relaxed BCMers, relaxing and chatting in the afternoon sun, some lazing in the blossom-strewn greensward, supping their Frijjs and munching on their Ginsters, job nearly done.  It may not be quite so relaxed for those behind, or for those ahead who raced and are home while I’m still doing my greensward-lazing.

Weobley 2011 ...near the back of the field!

(http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo237/chillmoister/Byran%20Chapman%20Memorial%20600%20-%20May%202011/cycling434.jpg)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: mattc on 28 February, 2012, 03:47:48 pm
Weobley's a tough neighborhood - someone's stolen that bloke's cleats.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Euan Uzami on 28 February, 2012, 04:06:45 pm
as regards the yha turn i've found the main thing you need to do is make sure you brake before you turn in, not while, in order to accelerate out. The last thing you want to do is still be slowing down after you've crossed the line at the edge of the main road!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Jasmine on 28 February, 2012, 04:09:02 pm
The approach to the hostel, especially the second time, is the worst part of the ride. I could almost bear it if it was just a steady climb up but the fact that it goes up, then down, then up again knocks the stuffing out of me.

(The turning by the old forge is a sod too, if you meet a car coming the other way!)

Basically you need to be in 1st gear before the red post box or you will spend the next 30 seconds desperately mangling your gears, ripping your thighs apart or just toppling off.

It's an absolutely beautiful lane to ride along though, every time I hear running water over rocks I get a flashback to this wonderful lane (it is a bloody slog in places though).

1st Gear NOW!!! (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=kings+yha+dolgellau&hl=en&ll=52.736142,-3.957438&spn=0.001298,0.002411&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=20.824402,39.506836&hq=kings+yha&hnear=Dolgellau,+Gwynedd,+United+Kingdom&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=52.736242,-3.958008&panoid=ReZepPqFEUNk1aWMnATw6g&cbp=12,89.82,,0,18.06)

Ridable on a tandem, do you think?


Yes.  Shouldn't even need 1st gear if you ride a triple.  It's a lot less worrying than the exit from the Barmouth Bridge onto the main road - view is restricted until some time after you need to commit to the turn on a tandem.  Best if the stoker is prepared to grab the wall to hold you both up if there is traffic.  Alternatively, if Damon is there taking pictures, he will wave you through.

Also, the descent at Cross Foxes on day 2 can be done at over 60mph on tandem.  Make sure the pilot is fully awake for that one though.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 28 February, 2012, 04:21:52 pm
The exit at Barmouth:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=barmouth&ll=52.720107,-4.046764&spn=0.00115,0.002862&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&hnear=Barmouth,+Gwynedd,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=19&layer=c&cbll=52.720081,-4.04683&panoid=OrjsynTmZiyDzvFzoXueEw&cbp=12,217.62,,0,21.93

I almost fell over on camera for Damon in 2010 having to stop there to avoid being run over by an ambulance.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: iddu on 28 February, 2012, 04:47:03 pm
Defeated me on 71" fixed that did. Only hill I walked between may and October.

For a (little) bit of fun, on the return leg

a)  go left from the YH, and continue up the huh?WTF??*GRUNT*Arrgh!! humple, L@T, and rejoin in Dolgellau  ;D
b) take Fron Serth (sp Hospital) from Dolgellau, up to Cross Foxes
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feanor on 28 February, 2012, 05:58:03 pm

Is the basic deal that you do it as a 400 up the Western leg ( control @YH, continue to Menai Bridge, and loop back to YH again ) grab a bit of kip and then a 200 home down the Eastern leg?


As everyone else is ignoring you Feanor, yes, except that it’s not quite 400 before the YH, and more than 200 afterwards.  Also, it’s 619km rather than 600km, and, as with all over-distance events, the extra comes at the end when you’re tired rather than the beginning when you’re fresh. 

In the past I’ve tended to get back to Kings YH at about 2:30-3:30 and left at 6:30-7:00.  There will be more than 50% of the field who have arrived before me, but there are always some people coming in as I’m leaving, and they usually manage to finish in time. 

The ride on the A470 (I think) to get from Maentwrog to the YH is usually the most gruelling cycling I experience every year, purely because of tiredness (and a tedious climb to Trawsfynnydd).  Conversely, day 2 of the BCM is always a highlight of the cycling year, because I’ve always felt so good – at least as far as the 600km mark.

One of the highlights is the final control at Weobley.  By then you’re back in England, so the roads are rougher but the weather is better.  The control is a receipt from the village shop, but there’s a village green opposite and you’ll find quite a few relaxed BCMers, relaxing and chatting in the afternoon sun, some lazing in the blossom-strewn greensward, supping their Frijjs and munching on their Ginsters, job nearly done.  It may not be quite so relaxed for those behind, or for those ahead who raced and are home while I’m still doing my greensward-lazing.

Thanks, Nuncio.

Not everyone was ignoring my question!   MattH was kind enough to reply too.
To be fair, my Q. just happened to be the last post on a page, so it gets lost easily.

Thanks to you both.

I've been considering this for a few weeks now, and I'm in the process of galvanising myself to actually make the commitment.

Your timings look about right for me.
The Snow Roads 300 took me 16 hours, with a bit of a headwind around part of the course.  I'd have expected to be round in 14 - 15 hours otherwise.
Lumpy 200k takes me 10 hours.
Lumpy 100k takes me about 4.5 hours.
I've never done 400, so I'd have estimated 15 + 5, giving about 20 hours, getting me into the YH around 2:00, but I expect your times are more realistic.
Not sure about how I'll get on doing 200 ish the next day!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 28 February, 2012, 05:59:17 pm
396km. Sleep. 225km.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: MattH on 28 February, 2012, 06:03:24 pm
I only have four words for you lot: Free. Route. Between. Controls.

Approach the YHA from behind? I thought someone had tried this and decided it was a bad idea?

I have indeed (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?saddr=Cader+Rd&daddr=52.7201704,-3.9468418+to:Kings+Youth+Hostel,+Islawr-dref,+Dolgellau,+Dolgellau+LL40+1TB+(Youth+Hostels+Association)&hl=en&ll=52.71945,-3.945036&spn=0.013829,0.055189&sll=52.737435,-3.891993&sspn=0.030401,0.055189&geocode=FZfGJAMdoanE_w%3BFSpyJAMdp8bD_yk73PibC3xlSDHI01xjHChJAw%3BFbuHJAMdnrbD_yFlweUhq-U53g&mra=dme&mrsp=0&sz=14&via=1&t=p&z=14&layer=c&cbll=52.719445,-3.94501&panoid=2uSjEG6sPPZ9FFoPTvvDLw&cbp=12,180,,0,0)
It's a little hillier overall, but with superb views of the N flank of Cader Idris. The road is signposted NCN as you leave Dolgellau, but it's a "R no sp" onto the narrow track down to the YH, so beware.

The question is - would you go that way again?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feline on 28 February, 2012, 06:03:36 pm
396km. Sleep. 225km.

There is a possibility I might be able to sleep during the actual riding, I wonder if you will notice?  :D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: mattc on 28 February, 2012, 06:09:17 pm
...
I have indeed (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?saddr=Cader+Rd&daddr=52.7201704,-3.9468418+to:Kings+Youth+Hostel,+Islawr-dref,+Dolgellau,+Dolgellau+LL40+1TB+(Youth+Hostels+Association)&hl=en&ll=52.71945,-3.945036&spn=0.013829,0.055189&sll=52.737435,-3.891993&sspn=0.030401,0.055189&geocode=FZfGJAMdoanE_w%3BFSpyJAMdp8bD_yk73PibC3xlSDHI01xjHChJAw%3BFbuHJAMdnrbD_yFlweUhq-U53g&mra=dme&mrsp=0&sz=14&via=1&t=p&z=14&layer=c&cbll=52.719445,-3.94501&panoid=2uSjEG6sPPZ9FFoPTvvDLw&cbp=12,180,,0,0)
It's a little hillier overall, but with superb views of the N flank of Cader Idris. The road is signposted NCN as you leave Dolgellau, but it's a "R no sp" onto the narrow track down to the YH, so beware.

The question is - would you go that way again?
Cautious yes - provided I was in good time, with good weather etc (no point going a scenic way if you can't see above 300m). Might not bother on the return leg!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feline on 28 February, 2012, 06:10:32 pm
The approach to the hostel, especially the second time, is the worst part of the ride. I could almost bear it if it was just a steady climb up but the fact that it goes up, then down, then up again knocks the stuffing out of me.

(The turning by the old forge is a sod too, if you meet a car coming the other way!)

Basically you need to be in 1st gear before the red post box or you will spend the next 30 seconds desperately mangling your gears, ripping your thighs apart or just toppling off.

It's an absolutely beautiful lane to ride along though, every time I hear running water over rocks I get a flashback to this wonderful lane (it is a bloody slog in places though).

1st Gear NOW!!! (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=kings+yha+dolgellau&hl=en&ll=52.736142,-3.957438&spn=0.001298,0.002411&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=20.824402,39.506836&hq=kings+yha&hnear=Dolgellau,+Gwynedd,+United+Kingdom&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=52.736242,-3.958008&panoid=ReZepPqFEUNk1aWMnATw6g&cbp=12,89.82,,0,18.06)

Ridable on a tandem, do you think?


Yes.  Shouldn't even need 1st gear if you ride a triple.  It's a lot less worrying than the exit from the Barmouth Bridge onto the main road - view is restricted until some time after you need to commit to the turn on a tandem.  Best if the stoker is prepared to grab the wall to hold you both up if there is traffic.  Alternatively, if Damon is there taking pictures, he will wave you through.

Also, the descent at Cross Foxes on day 2 can be done at over 60mph on tandem.  Make sure the pilot is fully awake for that one though.

Thanks for that  :thumbsup:
Stoker grabbing wall??  :o
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 28 February, 2012, 06:14:03 pm
See the second street view pic. There is no pavement so it's straight out onto the road at a blind junction at the top of a steep path. And it's narrow.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feline on 28 February, 2012, 06:17:39 pm
See the second street view pic. There is no pavement so it's straight out onto the road at a blind junction at the top of a steep path. And it's narrow.

The last time we approached a blind junction at the top of a steep path it didn't go so well  ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: mattc on 28 February, 2012, 06:19:35 pm
I'm impressed by this attention to detail; I'm hoping you'll know which shelves the Friij-n-Ginsters are on at each garage over Easter.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 28 February, 2012, 06:19:51 pm
See the second street view pic. There is no pavement so it's straight out onto the road at a blind junction at the top of a steep path. And it's narrow.

The last time we approached a blind junction at the top of a steep path it didn't go so well  ;D

I think Damn's removed his youtube video featuring me nearly falling off there. :(
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 28 February, 2012, 06:25:29 pm
I'm impressed by this attention to detail; I'm hoping you'll know which shelves the Friij-n-Ginsters are on at each garage over Easter.

Next up for discussion:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=penrhyndeudraeth&hl=en&ll=52.936672,-4.063021&spn=0.001145,0.002862&client=firefox-a&hnear=Penrhyndeudraeth,+Gwynedd,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=19&layer=c&cbll=52.936589,-4.06311&panoid=Gxnosx-O4b9r9ZqpcupLnw&cbp=12,26.87,,0,12.06




Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Karla on 28 February, 2012, 06:35:44 pm
I've been considering this for a few weeks now, and I'm in the process of galvanising myself to actually make the commitment.

Your timings look about right for me.
The Snow Roads 300 took me 16 hours, with a bit of a headwind around part of the course.  I'd have expected to be round in 14 - 15 hours otherwise.
Lumpy 200k takes me 10 hours.
Lumpy 100k takes me about 4.5 hours.
I've never done 400, so I'd have estimated 15 + 5, giving about 20 hours, getting me into the YH around 2:00, but I expect your times are more realistic.
Not sure about how I'll get on doing 200 ish the next day!

You should have no problem.  On my qualifiers last year:
The Full Monty 200 took me 10 hours (4000m climbing)
The Hailsham 300 took me 14.5 hours IIRC.  I then had a bike/car interface and spent a couple of weeks not really cycling.
The BCM classic took me 32.5 hours, with 30 minutes' sleep at the youth hostel. 
(My 400 was done the week after the BCM, and was done very slowly!)

It's a fun route, and with those sorts of times you should get round with no problems.  Also, don't worry about the climb up to the youth hostel.  It may be a bit steep but it's no Hardknott Pass. 
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: STMS on 28 February, 2012, 06:56:14 pm
I've been considering this for a few weeks now, and I'm in the process of galvanising myself to actually make the commitment.

Your timings look about right for me.
The Snow Roads 300 took me 16 hours, with a bit of a headwind around part of the course.  I'd have expected to be round in 14 - 15 hours otherwise.
Lumpy 200k takes me 10 hours.
Lumpy 100k takes me about 4.5 hours.
I've never done 400, so I'd have estimated 15 + 5, giving about 20 hours, getting me into the YH around 2:00, but I expect your times are more realistic.
Not sure about how I'll get on doing 200 ish the next day!

You should have no problem.  On my qualifiers last year:
The Full Monty 200 took me 10 hours (4000m climbing)
The Hailsham 300 took me 14.5 hours IIRC.  I then had a bike/car interface and spent a couple of weeks not really cycling.
The BCM classic took me 32.5 hours, with 30 minutes' sleep at the youth hostel. 
(My 400 was done the week after the BCM, and was done very slowly!)

It's a fun route, and with those sorts of times you should get round with no problems.  Also, don't worry about the climb up to the youth hostel.  It may be a bit steep but it's no Hardknott Pass.

Scrolling through brings it all back especially the 30 mins sleep. My first 600 and i left kings at 9 AM took a 15K detour and fell in a hedge :-[ . Still got back with 20 mins to spare. Strange looking at some of the google pictures i must have missed most of it at night or maybe had my eyes closed too much.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 28 February, 2012, 07:07:02 pm
In 2008, I backed myself to be able to ride 225k in 15 3/4 hours, and slept for 4h. I rode the 225k it in just over 12h. I actually put myself under too much pressure on the first stage after the sleep, went too hard, and struggled slightly on the next stage but got a tow from Nuncio and miniog when they came past until I recovered. Learned from that in 2010 & 2011, and paced myself better, and improved the overall time by 2h 1h by riding slower in the morning of the second day.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: mattc on 28 February, 2012, 07:33:47 pm
I'm impressed by this attention to detail; I'm hoping you'll know which shelves the Friij-n-Ginsters are on at each garage over Easter.

Next up for discussion:

 The oblique railway line crossing (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=penrhyndeudraeth&hl=en&ll=52.936672,-4.063021&spn=0.001145,0.002862&client=firefox-a&hnear=Penrhyndeudraeth,+Gwynedd,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=19&layer=c&cbll=52.936589,-4.06311&panoid=Gxnosx-O4b9r9ZqpcupLnw&cbp=12,26.87,,0,12.06)
Now that IS a detail worth bringing to everyone's attention  :thumbsup: (I think it's in Mark's rider notes as well IIRC)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: GrahamG on 28 February, 2012, 08:13:04 pm
Just posted my entry (along with the Brevet Cymru). This time I'll be attempting to ride it mostly in daylight.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 28 February, 2012, 08:44:53 pm
..........This time I'll be attempting to ride it mostly in daylight.

I think everyone starts-out with that idea.

Last year at the start of the BCM, I recall a conversation (concerning the Brevet Cymru 2 weeks prior) between Ritchie Tout and a AUK of the tourist variety. It went along the lines:-

Tourist AUK : I was quite happy to do the final climb from Llangum in the daylight.
Ritchie Tout : I would be too.

Isn't it funny how we all have similar goals.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Nuncio on 28 February, 2012, 09:36:57 pm
Next up for discussion:
 The oblique railway line crossing (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=penrhyndeudraeth&hl=en&ll=52.936672,-4.063021&spn=0.001145,0.002862&client=firefox-a&hnear=Penrhyndeudraeth,+Gwynedd,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=19&layer=c&cbll=52.936589,-4.06311&panoid=Gxnosx-O4b9r9ZqpcupLnw&cbp=12,26.87,,0,12.06)

Someone fell over on it as I was coming the other way last year. Downhill, I was about to bunny-hop it but they put me right off my stride.

Probably young Akin.  He has a habit of falling off his bike in Wales and the timings would be right because were not long behind him.  Missed seeing you coming the other way but saw Toby about 10 minutes later. 

On my first BCM on the return I was so concerned at making the angle I overdid it and nearly hit the wall.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Euan Uzami on 28 February, 2012, 10:05:54 pm
at least it's got gates. this (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=penrhyndeudraeth&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hnear=Penrhyndeudraeth,+Gwynedd,+United+Kingdom&t=m&layer=c&cbll=52.39047,-3.929918&panoid=LHtdBIv-THUzBPn7zNAOBg&cbp=12,333.23,,0,7.49&ie=UTF8&hq=&ll=52.390347,-3.929672&spn=0.014326,0.042272&z=15&vpsrc=6) one always scares me! (i know it's not on the bcm)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 28 February, 2012, 10:11:22 pm
at least it's got gates. this (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=penrhyndeudraeth&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hnear=Penrhyndeudraeth,+Gwynedd,+United+Kingdom&t=m&layer=c&cbll=52.39047,-3.929918&panoid=LHtdBIv-THUzBPn7zNAOBg&cbp=12,333.23,,0,7.49&ie=UTF8&hq=&ll=52.390347,-3.929672&spn=0.014326,0.042272&z=15&vpsrc=6) one always scares me! (i know it's not on the bcm)

Wasn't that one on the Scenic ?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: akin on 28 February, 2012, 10:11:51 pm
Next up for discussion:
 The oblique railway line crossing (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=penrhyndeudraeth&hl=en&ll=52.936672,-4.063021&spn=0.001145,0.002862&client=firefox-a&hnear=Penrhyndeudraeth,+Gwynedd,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=19&layer=c&cbll=52.936589,-4.06311&panoid=Gxnosx-O4b9r9ZqpcupLnw&cbp=12,26.87,,0,12.06)

Someone fell over on it as I was coming the other way last year. Downhill, I was about to bunny-hop it but they put me right off my stride.

Probably young Akin.  He has a habit of falling off his bike in Wales and the timings would be right because were not long behind him.  Missed seeing you coming the other way but saw Toby about 10 minutes later. 

On my first BCM on the return I was so concerned at making the angle I overdid it and nearly hit the wall.



I have been outed. Not the best reputation to have but I certainly do it with vigor and make it my own. Nuncio and Miniog are always on hand to remind me of my past discrepancies.

I have failed to stay vertical on a number of welsh excursions. My first time riding there in 2010 on the Brevet Cymru I came down just after Tintern Abbey. I was wounded but managed to soldier on and complete the ride. Miniog witnessed that one I believe. I managed to survive the BCM and Mille Cymru unscathed that year if memory serves me correctly.

2011 was a a clean sweep. Brevet Cymru I got a puncture and did not get enough air in the front tire, it crumpled where they were resurfacing the road before Hay on Wye, I did a front flip into a ditch full of brambles. The bike had to be lifted off me before I was pulled out from the thorn laden bramble bush. If you dont mind being covered in scratches they do a pretty good job of breaking your fall. Neilv of this parish was there and he told me later in the year that it was fairly spectacular. Cut open my left knee in the process.

BCM I managed to get myself a matching pair of scarred knees. The lady in the house opposite was kind enough to shout out of her window to tell me how dangerous it was. I could attest to that from my vantage point face down on the floor.

Next up for discussion:
 The oblique railway line crossing (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=penrhyndeudraeth&hl=en&ll=52.936672,-4.063021&spn=0.001145,0.002862&client=firefox-a&hnear=Penrhyndeudraeth,+Gwynedd,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=19&layer=c&cbll=52.936589,-4.06311&panoid=Gxnosx-O4b9r9ZqpcupLnw&cbp=12,26.87,,0,12.06)

Someone fell over on it as I was coming the other way last year. Downhill, I was about to bunny-hop it but they put me right off my stride.

Sorry for any inconvenience I may have caused.  :facepalm:



I will be back for both in may hoping to stay up right.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: GrahamG on 29 February, 2012, 08:54:13 am
..........This time I'll be attempting to ride it mostly in daylight.

I think everyone starts-out with that idea.

Last year at the start of the BCM, I recall a conversation (concerning the Brevet Cymru 2 weeks prior) between Ritchie Tout and a AUK of the tourist variety. It went along the lines:-

Tourist AUK : I was quite happy to do the final climb from Llangum in the daylight.
Ritchie Tout : I would be too.

Isn't it funny how we all have similar goals.

Emphasis on mostly :D

That climb is probably best done in the dark from a morale perspective i think...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Aidan on 29 February, 2012, 09:05:40 am
Although I have an entry, I'm not going to do this now.  Im starting a new job tomorrow which is going to curtail my cycling activity this year almost certaiinly, so I'm reevaluating what is possible and sensible to do.

However, I do have a Travelodge room booked on the 18th and the 20th at the Severn View services.


Both bookings are paid for and are £10 each.   You will have to pretend to be me, but,  hey , it could be worse!


If anyone is interested in the rooms PM me


Rooms have been snapped up!  Thanks for the interest though, to all who PM'd
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: mattc on 29 February, 2012, 09:13:38 am
at least it's got gates. this (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=penrhyndeudraeth&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hnear=Penrhyndeudraeth,+Gwynedd,+United+Kingdom&t=m&layer=c&cbll=52.39047,-3.929918&panoid=LHtdBIv-THUzBPn7zNAOBg&cbp=12,333.23,,0,7.49&ie=UTF8&hq=&ll=52.390347,-3.929672&spn=0.014326,0.042272&z=15&vpsrc=6) one always scares me! (i know it's not on the bcm)

Wasn't that one on the Scenic ?
According to $random_bikely_track the Scenic crosses (http://g.co/maps/b3aeg) further west, meeting the A44 at Capel Bangor. A much safer looking crossing!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: chillmoister on 29 February, 2012, 09:49:42 am
The exit at Barmouth:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=barmouth&ll=52.720107,-4.046764&spn=0.00115,0.002862&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&hnear=Barmouth,+Gwynedd,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=19&layer=c&cbll=52.720081,-4.04683&panoid=OrjsynTmZiyDzvFzoXueEw&cbp=12,217.62,,0,21.93

I almost fell over on camera for Damon in 2010 having to stop there to avoid being run over by an ambulance.

if you pause for a moment at that spot you can probably still hear the echoes of my swearing from last year as I mended a p****re ...for the 3rd time ...having pinched the tube on two previous attempts within 20 mins.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 29 February, 2012, 12:40:11 pm
if you pause for a moment at that spot you can probably still hear the echoes of my swearing from last year as I mended a p****re ...for the 3rd time ...having pinched the tube on two previous attempts within 20 mins.

Also pause your thought for "Bobajobrob", very sadly no longer with us. I recall seeing a lovely pic of him at this junction. Not sure now if it was an Arrivee pic or one circulated on a forum.

Happy days Rob.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Simonb on 29 February, 2012, 01:31:05 pm
Happy days Rob.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3511/3276310541_270a88a68f_b.jpg)

I had no idea about bobajobrob. Very sad.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: LEE on 29 February, 2012, 05:20:49 pm
The exit at Barmouth:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=barmouth&ll=52.720107,-4.046764&spn=0.00115,0.002862&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&hnear=Barmouth,+Gwynedd,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=19&layer=c&cbll=52.720081,-4.04683&panoid=OrjsynTmZiyDzvFzoXueEw&cbp=12,217.62,,0,21.93

I almost fell over on camera for Damon in 2010 having to stop there to avoid being run over by an ambulance.

if you pause for a moment at that spot you can probably still hear the echoes of my swearing from last year as I mended a p****re ...for the 3rd time ...having pinched the tube on two previous attempts within 20 mins.

(http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u249/freddered/Audax/Petepuncture640.jpg)

It's a beautiful spot to watch someone fix a puncture but 3 of them within 200 yards meant we hit Pen-Y-Pass in the dark and just as a horrible cloud of sleet passed through. I try not to scowl at Chillmoister when he mentions it.

You get a wonderful view of Snowdonia as you head up the coast from Harlech.  More than once I've seen blue skies over Snowdon replaced by horrible black clouds as they are blown in from the sea.  It's one of the great features of the ride, being able to see, from miles away, where you will be in a couple of hours.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Redlight on 29 February, 2012, 09:23:34 pm
Coming out of that exit is scary. I have sometimes wondered whether it might be better to ride back to the A470 and, in effect, reverse the return route as far as Penry...eth.  Probably a bit longer but less chance of getting splattered and the downhill from the power station would be a belter.  But you would miss out on some great views though.... if you get there in daylight
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Jasmine on 01 March, 2012, 09:34:31 am
If you are going to skip the Barmouth bit and go along the A470 you might as well skip Penrhyn as well and turn at Maentwrog (the place with that bus stop) towards Rhyd.  It brings you out on the road to Beddgelert.  :demon:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: LEE on 01 March, 2012, 09:49:13 am
Coming out of that exit is scary. I have sometimes wondered whether it might be better to ride back to the A470 and, in effect, reverse the return route as far as Penry...eth.  Probably a bit longer but less chance of getting splattered and the downhill from the power station would be a belter.  But you would miss out on some great views though.... if you get there in daylight

Barmouth bridge is a highlight of the ride. Why miss it because of a "scary exit" (which isn't scary at all if you are sensible and dismount instead of trying to balance, contend with pedestrians and enter directly onto a main road at the same time.)

Why not simply get off your bike near the (steep/tight) exit and walk for 20 yards to the main road?  Radical I know.

In case newbies were wondering what the fuss is about

Barmouth Bridge exit (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=barmouth&hl=en&ll=52.720035,-4.046952&spn=0.001305,0.002411&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=20.824402,39.506836&hnear=Barmouth,+Gwynedd,+United+Kingdom&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=52.720081,-4.04683&panoid=OrjsynTmZiyDzvFzoXueEw&cbp=12,223.99,,0,21.42).

You emerge where the 2 old geezers are stood and need to turn left onto main road.  It's steep and narrow (it's a footpath) so you only get a view of traffic right at the junction, by which time your front wheel is about to protrude into main road.

If there is traffic coming then you may be forced into an inelegant dismount.

I doubt anyone will be considered less of a cyclist if they take the option to walk up to this junction.

Edit.  As for the Level Crossing, just go slightly wide then swerve back to take the rails head on, as close to 90deg as you can (like crossing a cattle grid).  They are only a problem if you take them at an acute angle.






Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 01 March, 2012, 09:55:40 am
Quote
Coming out of that exit is scary. .....................

I'm not making light of any of the aware of highlighted instances - as are the postees (as they're recalling memories), but the Barmouth bridge path is on an approved cycle route (route 8 ), as is the level crossing at Penrhyndeudraeth (route 82). RAs have been carried-out by myself and others.

If you're concerned about tackling either of these features, instead of going via Barmouth you can use any route you wish between controls, so (say) the toll at Penmaenpool. And the Penrhyndeudraeth bit can be by-passed (say) either to the East via Porthmadog, or to the West via Tan-y-Bwlch and then Rhyd :demon:. Although I suppose in the true spirit of Audax one should miss Rhyd and go via Penrallt :o.

Following complaints (not comments) about the Barmouth bridge bit - I did change the route the following year, to use the Penmaenpool toll - ye gods, the complaints I got from one person (about the diversion to the other toll crossing) can still be heard echoing around valley between Cribin Fach and Maen Du.

I'm sure if these options were exercised (particularly the Penrallt bit), this topic would go to record length.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: LEE on 01 March, 2012, 10:09:07 am
I find it absolutely incredible that anyone would take issue with the Barmouth Bridge route. 

I'd complain if your route had taken me to Barmouth and omitted the Bridge crossing, it's one of the best bits of any Audax I've done.  (Actually I wouldn't complain because it's Audax not a guided tour).

Nobody is forcing anybody to cycle over railway lines or onto a Barmouth Main road.  Any competent cyclist should assess the risk and dismount if they feel it's too risky.  I don't see why an Audax organiser should be held to account for normal road "furniture".

I have no problem with the railway lines but  I'd probably be tempted, in future, to dismount just before joining the Barmouth road after the bridge.

People actually complained about it?  Jesus.

Note.  I do cack myself on the wet Barmouth Bridge wooden boards but that's part of the fun isn't it?  It certainly beats any A-road.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: chillmoister on 01 March, 2012, 10:27:12 am
I find it absolutely incredible that anyone would take issue with the Barmouth Bridge route. 

I'd complain if your route had taken me to Barmouth and omitted the Bridge crossing, it's one of the best bits of any Audax I've done.  (Actually I wouldn't complain because it's Audax not a guided tour).

Nobody is forcing anybody to cycle over railway lines or onto a Barmouth Main road.  Any competent cyclist should assess the risk and dismount if they feel it's too risky.  I don't see why an Audax organiser should be held to account for normal road "furniture".

I have no problem with the railway lines but  I'd probably be tempted, in future, to dismount just before joining the Barmouth road after the bridge.

People actually complained about it?  Jesus.

Note.  I do cack myself on the wet Barmouth Bridge wooden boards but that's part of the fun isn't it?  It certainly beats any A-road.

couldn't agree more  ....if you are worried about these sort of things maybe audaxing isn't for you
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: STMS on 01 March, 2012, 11:10:39 am
Surprised at complaints, some bits need care but i suppose we all moan a bit at the time when saturated knackered and not knowing where the next joule is coming from. Yes the Wet wooden planks gave a few moments of concern but all worries like the pain are soon forgotten and the memories are good. I would much rather these "careful sections" than "Off Road almost unridable sections" i have encountered elsewhere in Devon.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Nuncio on 01 March, 2012, 11:34:17 am
and the memories are good
Miniog's bagman support dropped off on the Barmouth Bridge one year.  It didn't fall into the water, but it's still a very good memory.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 01 March, 2012, 12:21:26 pm
I've edited my posting posting, because there was some ambiguity in the text. And reading a third time it was apparent was posted wasn't what was meant (sorry about that), toys were never thrown out of the pram. For those not wishing to scroll-up it now reads:-

I'm not making light of any of the aware of highlighted instances - as are the postees (as they're recalling memories), but the Barmouth bridge path is on an approved cycle route (route 8 ), as is the level crossing at Penrhyndeudraeth (route 82). RAs have been carried-out by myself and others.

If you're concerned about tackling either of these features, instead of going via Barmouth you can use any route you wish between controls, so (say) the toll at Penmaenpool. And the Penrhyndeudraeth bit can be by-passed (say) either to the East via Porthmadog, or to the West via Tan-y-Bwlch and then Rhyd  :demon: . Although I suppose in the true spirit of Audax one should miss Rhyd and go via Penrallt   :o .

Following complaints (not comments) about the Barmouth bridge bit - I did change the route the following year, to use the Penmaenpool toll - ye gods, the complaints I got from one person (about the diversion to the other toll crossing) can still be heard echoing around valley between Cribin Fach and Maen Du.

I'm sure if these options were exercised (particularly the Penrallt bit), this topic would go to record length.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Paul Rainbow on 01 March, 2012, 12:26:32 pm
Just relax, smile for the photographer, quick track stand to make sure the road is clear and on your way  ;)

(http://www.mediafabrica.co.uk/bike/audax/Bryan_Chapman_Memorial_Scenic_2011_3098.jpg)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: STMS on 01 March, 2012, 12:46:37 pm


If you're concerned about tackling either of these features, instead of going via Barmouth you can use any route you wish between controls, so (say) the toll at Penmaenpool. And the Penrhyndeudraeth bit can be by-passed (say) either to the East via Porthmadog, or to the West via Tan-y-Bwlch and then Rhyd  :demon: . Although I suppose in the true spirit of Audax one should miss Rhyd and go via Penrallt   :o .


When i first saw pictures of the Bridge and the exit hill it was one of the reasons i wanted to do the ride. At kings i think it was the driving reason for continuing.

Thanks again Blacksheep it was ...... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Redlight on 01 March, 2012, 02:16:08 pm
Oh gosh, I seem to have unleashed a sleeping monster with my failure to use ironic icons  :-[.

I'm not seriously suggesting that the route shouldn't use the bridge. It is a lovely part of the ride and I wouldn't seriously consider taking a different route in order to avoid it.  I was merely speculating that one could, in the same way as some people were suggesting alternative routes to the Youth Hostel. 

That said, were it not for the fact that Blacksheep puts a very clear warning in the notes for the ride, I think lurching out straight onto the road could well come as a bit of a shock!  The first year I tried BCM I was behind another rider who stopped dead at the top as there were cars coming. That's the closest I have come to a clipless moment on an Audax and did require a dismount to cover the last 8 feet or so.  ;)

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 01 March, 2012, 03:20:10 pm
Oh gosh, I seem to have unleashed a sleeping monster with my failure to use ironic icons  :-[.

Hi Redlight.

I think we're all on the same side  :thumbsup: , I didn't take offence. Sometimes I think forums (like all text corrospondance) can be a minefield - as the 'non-vocal-communication' bit can so easily get taken out of context  :o
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Bairdy on 01 March, 2012, 06:46:31 pm
Do you still have to pay to cross the bridge?
The first time I cycled across Barmouth bridge there was a very camp man with dyed black hair, a semi buttoned, canary yellow shirt, sporting a medallion staffing the toll booth.
He was very happy to see us in our cycling gear to say the least.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Manotea on 01 March, 2012, 07:34:58 pm
I don't know what the fuss about the exit to the barmouth bridge is about, maybe because I've never actually made it up to the road. Then again I've never seen anybody in the toll booth either. How the other half live, eh?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Efrogwr on 01 March, 2012, 07:47:59 pm
Do you still have to pay to cross the bridge?
The first time I cycled across Barmouth bridge there was a very camp man with dyed black hair, a semi buttoned, canary yellow shirt, sporting a medallion staffing the toll booth.
He was very happy to see us in our cycling gear to say the least.

Normally, yes. However, when E Minor and I crossed last summer, Railtrack's staff rota had a hole in it, which left the toll booth unattended... an ideal day for a Yorkshireman to use the bridge! Both ways too, so I saved the toll twice.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 01 March, 2012, 08:08:17 pm
an ideal day for a Yorkshireman to use the bridge! Both ways too, so I saved the toll twice.

Sorry to rain on your parade, but thee 10-penny worth is actually for a return crossing  :smug:.

So you paid the going rate for your second crossing  :o :o :o .

To really save the bwass, thou should have used the permaenpool toll bridge, its free both ways.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: LEE on 01 March, 2012, 08:39:05 pm
Riding with the "Faccombe 4" is the cheapest option since the Toll-Booth staff have long since buggered off home for the evening when we get there.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Redlight on 01 March, 2012, 08:54:42 pm
Riding with the "Faccombe 4" is the cheapest option since the Toll-Booth staff have long since buggered off home for the evening when we get there.

Well, I would ride with the Faccombe 4 if I could keep up with them. By the time I get there, the toll booth staff are just clocking on.....
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feanor on 19 March, 2012, 04:58:02 pm
OK, so I'm in.
Entry in the mail.
No backing out now.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Hummers on 19 March, 2012, 08:30:34 pm
Do you still have to pay to cross the bridge?
The first time I cycled across Barmouth bridge there was a very camp man with dyed black hair, a semi buttoned, canary yellow shirt, sporting a medallion staffing the toll booth.
He was very happy to see us in our cycling gear to say the least.

Hold on.

Are you sure that wasn't another rider?

There are plenty that fit the description.

H
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: trumpet on 19 March, 2012, 09:56:40 pm
I've posted my entry too after years of managing to wimp out / think up excuses.... I'd be interested to hear anyones experiences regarding fixed or gears? I usually choose fixed but haven't been over 300k yet ( Elenith ! ) I think gears maybe slower ( for me ) but kinder on my legs in unknown territory.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 19 March, 2012, 10:04:18 pm
15 minutes slower on fixed than gears for me based on last year. 71" and got up everything except the YH drive which was too much. Probably would use a lower gear next time as I gave myself a wrist injury.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feline on 19 March, 2012, 10:06:03 pm
15 minutes slower on fixed than gears for me based on last year. 71" and got up everything except the YH drive which was too much. Probably would use a lower gear next time as I gave myself a wrist injury.

You will definitely be using a lower gear next time  ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: trumpet on 19 March, 2012, 10:25:12 pm
15 minutes slower on fixed than gears for me based on last year. 71" and got up everything except the YH drive which was too much. Probably would use a lower gear next time as I gave myself a wrist injury.

Pretty close then !
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Hummers on 19 March, 2012, 11:19:12 pm
Probably would use a lower gear next time as I gave myself a wrist injury.

The mind boggles  :demon:

H

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 20 March, 2012, 12:46:26 am
Probably would use a lower gear next time as I gave myself a wrist injury.

The mind boggles  :demon:

H

Where were you when I originally posted about the injury?  Others had to fill in for you and frankly I was disappointed with quality of the service provided.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Hummers on 20 March, 2012, 08:19:58 am
Probably would use a lower gear next time as I gave myself a wrist injury.

The mind boggles  :demon:

H

Where were you when I originally posted about the injury?  Others had to fill in for you and frankly I was disappointed with quality of the service provided.

Sadly, that's life Simon.

 :-*

H
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Altitude Accumulator on 20 March, 2012, 05:04:08 pm
Do you still have to pay to cross the bridge?
The first time I cycled across Barmouth bridge there was a very camp man with dyed black hair, a semi buttoned, canary yellow shirt, sporting a medallion staffing the toll booth.
He was very happy to see us in our cycling gear to say the least.

a verey camp man......wearing a canary yellow shirt.........sporting a medallion............oooooooooooooohhhhhhh..........sir............suits yooooooooooouuuuu sir....

that wouldnt be "agent Moderator" aka .......Mr hummerstone would it seems a striking resemblence
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Ray 6701 on 20 March, 2012, 11:08:56 pm
Finally filled out my entry form & will get it posted tomorrow  :thumbsup:
Just need to sort out the train tickets now.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Bairdy on 20 March, 2012, 11:10:21 pm
Do you still have to pay to cross the bridge?
The first time I cycled across Barmouth bridge there was a very camp man with dyed black hair, a semi buttoned, canary yellow shirt, sporting a medallion staffing the toll booth.
He was very happy to see us in our cycling gear to say the least.

a verey camp man......wearing a canary yellow shirt.........sporting a medallion............oooooooooooooohhhhhhh..........sir............suits yooooooooooouuuuu sir....

that wouldnt be "agent Moderator" aka .......Mr hummerstone would it seems a striking resemblence

He was pretty fat too. Like Matt Lucas trying out a new character for Little Britain. ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Pingu on 22 March, 2012, 07:27:54 pm
I seem to have posted an entry for this  :-\
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 22 March, 2012, 09:02:17 pm
Finally filled out my entry form & will get it posted tomorrow  :thumbsup:
Just need to sort out the train tickets now.

Well done that man ......

I should think the field's almost full by now, so the usual ride info will be sent out soon, along with those file things that beep at you and send you up the wrong mountain :demon:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Tewdric on 22 March, 2012, 09:16:05 pm
Are you doing the double hostel thing this year or are we back to a peacetime maximum field?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 22 March, 2012, 09:22:37 pm
Are you doing the double hostel thing this year or are we back to a peacetime maximum field?

Only 19 people came knocking on our door that evening - so I'm not sure. Rumour had it there was a rave goin'-on a bit further up the lane  ;)

Mind you, SimonP, Jamie A, Jules, Bez, Garry K, Ant & Bruce, (and a few others) were happy with that - everyone had a bed for as long as they wanted.

And one of the most civilised breakfasts I've ever witnessed, we almost had to ask the neighbours to keep the noise down - even though they were about half a mile up the lane, it sounded like absolute chaos.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 22 March, 2012, 10:00:21 pm
We were very well looked after, it's true!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Chris N on 22 March, 2012, 10:22:25 pm
I should think the field's almost full by now

Ooh, really?  Must get my cheque sent off ASAP.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Hummers on 22 March, 2012, 10:36:10 pm
Do you still have to pay to cross the bridge?
The first time I cycled across Barmouth bridge there was a very camp man with dyed black hair, a semi buttoned, canary yellow shirt, sporting a medallion staffing the toll booth.
He was very happy to see us in our cycling gear to say the least.

a verey camp man......wearing a canary yellow shirt.........sporting a medallion............oooooooooooooohhhhhhh..........sir............suits yooooooooooouuuuu sir....

that wouldnt be "agent Moderator" aka .......Mr hummerstone would it seems a striking resemblence

He was pretty fat too. Like Matt Lucas trying out a new character for Little Britain. ;D

If you haven't got a ticket....

(http://i731.photobucket.com/albums/ww313/sweeT_reVenge_x3/FiiLMandTV/daffydthomas_.jpg)

H
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Hot Flatus on 23 March, 2012, 12:44:26 am
Ah, Mr Bunbury
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feanor on 23 March, 2012, 07:56:18 pm
Yay!
Postie has been.
I haz route-sheet.
With alarmingly large numbers on it.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 23 March, 2012, 08:51:31 pm
Yay!
Postie has been.
.....  .. .... .........
With alarmingly large numbers on it.

Have I sent you my overdraft statement by mistake?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Lordy on 23 March, 2012, 09:19:44 pm
Finally filled out my entry form & will get it posted tomorrow  :thumbsup:
Just need to sort out the train tickets now.

Well done that man ......

I should think the field's almost full by now, so the usual ride info will be sent out soon, along with those file things that beep at you and send you up the wrong mountain :demon:

Hi Mark

I've got an entry ready for this and Brevet cymru once i get paid this month, will i be too late?  cheers Luke 
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feanor on 23 March, 2012, 11:05:51 pm
Yay!
Postie has been.
.....  .. .... .........
With alarmingly large numbers on it.

Have I sent you my overdraft statement by mistake?

Ah, If only  :)
Unfortunately, they are Km as yet un-cycled...

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: MattH on 24 March, 2012, 12:13:54 am
But this is BCM, so Km as yet un-cycled is not bad, it is a promise of pleasure, views and experiences yet to come :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Tewdric on 28 March, 2012, 05:26:58 pm
Time for a roll call!

Me!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Hot Flatus on 28 March, 2012, 05:30:12 pm
Tewdric
Hot Flatus
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Paul Rainbow on 28 March, 2012, 05:31:43 pm
Tewdric
Hot Flatus
MattH
Cyclofabrica
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Redlight on 28 March, 2012, 05:43:15 pm
Tewdric
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MattH
Cyclofabrica
Redlight (at the back, of course)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 28 March, 2012, 05:44:56 pm
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Hot Flatus
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Cyclofabrica
Redlight (at the back, of course)
simonp
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Halloween on 28 March, 2012, 06:06:27 pm

Tewdric
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Cyclofabrica
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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: rottenhat on 28 March, 2012, 06:06:41 pm
Tewdric
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Cyclofabrica
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simonp
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Title: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Maverick on 28 March, 2012, 06:37:18 pm

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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Ray 6701 on 28 March, 2012, 07:46:31 pm
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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: L CC on 28 March, 2012, 08:31:03 pm
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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: tom_e on 28 March, 2012, 08:39:26 pm
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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: trumpet on 28 March, 2012, 09:36:29 pm
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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Tewdric on 28 March, 2012, 09:40:10 pm
Trumpet ( possibly blowing after 300k ! )

Hummers will be first in the queue.   ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 28 March, 2012, 09:48:09 pm
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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: sbseven on 28 March, 2012, 10:08:02 pm
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CET - back after a 3-year break from BCMs
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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Pingu on 28 March, 2012, 10:17:46 pm
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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: D.G.E. on 28 March, 2012, 10:28:57 pm

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Trumpet ( possibly blowing after 300k ! )
CET - back after a 3-year break from BCMs
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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feanor on 28 March, 2012, 10:37:16 pm
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sbseven - not ridden the BCM, but rode the Anglesey 600 back in the 80s
Pingu
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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feline on 28 March, 2012, 11:40:23 pm
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Trumpet ( possibly blowing after 300k ! )
CET - back after a 3-year break from BCMs
sbseven - not ridden the BCM, but rode the Anglesey 600 back in the 80s
Pingu
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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Somnolent on 29 March, 2012, 08:30:09 am
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CET - back after a 3-year break from BCMs
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Pingu
D.G.E. (will be looking at the red light of Redlight)
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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Jonah on 29 March, 2012, 09:28:59 am
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Trumpet ( possibly blowing after 300k ! )
CET - back after a 3-year break from BCMs
sbseven - not ridden the BCM, but rode the Anglesey 600 back in the 80s
Pingu
D.G.E. (will be looking at the red light of Redlight)
Feanor
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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Redlight on 29 March, 2012, 10:30:34 pm
Mikey??
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 29 March, 2012, 10:53:58 pm
Mikey??

I believe he's in.
Title: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: bikey-mikey on 30 March, 2012, 12:41:48 am
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tom_e
Trumpet ( possibly blowing after 300k ! )
CET - back after a 3-year break from BCMs
sbseven - not ridden the BCM, but rode the Anglesey 600 back in the 80s
Pingu
D.G.E. (will be looking at the red light of Redlight)
Feanor
PpPete (and hopefully Mrs PpP too)
Jonah
bikey-mikey
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: GrahamG on 30 March, 2012, 12:34:31 pm
Surely this will end up with about 50 names or ~ half the field right?!  Really looking forward to this, got audaxes and time trials booked in for almost every weekend up until the end of May, and this one is the last 'big event' before buggering off on tour for a month in July.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: MattH on 30 March, 2012, 01:11:32 pm
And, of course, the problem with this type of list is that you look at it and think "Do I really want to spend a weekend with that lot?"    :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 30 March, 2012, 01:53:59 pm
Surely this will end up with about 50 names or ~ half the field right?!  ,,,,,,,.

There are a lot of shy wallflowers, less than half of the YACF AUKS have coughed to the roll call ....
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: arvid on 30 March, 2012, 03:03:27 pm
This is where I say I haven't done 1000km in total this year yet, but am on the list. I should plan getting to Chepstow now. Is there a camping nearby? Does anyone have a good route from Harwich to Chepstow? (with a recommended camping or B&B underway?)

Also, participation is still under the assumption that my ankle behaves. I'll book a ferry after Easter if everything goes the way I want it to go.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Chris N on 30 March, 2012, 03:09:32 pm
Upper Sedbury house for camping (and B+B) near Chepstow: http://www.smoothhound.co.uk/hotels/uppersed.html
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: JStone on 30 March, 2012, 03:42:34 pm
Surely this will end up with about 50 names or ~ half the field right?!  ,,,,,,,.

There are a lot of shy wallflowers, less than half of the YACF AUKS have coughed to the roll call ....

Shy wallflower no longer -

Tewdric
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MattH
Cyclofabrica
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simonp with feline on the back of tandem
Halloween
Rottenhat
Maverick
Fungus
Chris S/fboab (sharing a bike if the tandem stays functional)
tom_e
Trumpet ( possibly blowing after 300k ! )
CET - back after a 3-year break from BCMs
sbseven - not ridden the BCM, but rode the Anglesey 600 back in the 80s
Pingu
D.G.E. (will be looking at the red light of Redlight)
Feanor
PpPete (and hopefully Mrs PpP too)
Jonah
bikey-mikey (sorry half dozing)
JStone
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 30 March, 2012, 03:43:00 pm
This is where I say I haven't done 1000km in total this year yet, but am on the list. I should plan getting to Chepstow now. Is there a camping nearby? Does anyone have a good route from Harwich to Chepstow? (with a recommended camping or B&B underway?)

Also, participation is still under the assumption that my ankle behaves. I'll book a ferry after Easter if everything goes the way I want it to go.

The bit from Harwich to about 100km west of there is fairly easy to find a pleasant route, though it will have lanes so would be best with a GPS. From Buntinford westwards I can't help so much, but one idea is that you could use the route of some audax events that visit Chepstow or nearby. One way would be to get to Stow on the wold or nearby then follow The Dean's route from there but there will be hills. Or, more directly, go via Oxford, follow the route of the Poor Student to Malmesbury, then reverse the route of The Dean stage from Chepstow to Malmesbury.

Oxford to Chepstow via Malmesbury:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?saddr=oxford&daddr=51.68844,-1.44506+to:51.5970644,-1.6346471+to:51.62744,-1.72606+to:51.583563,-2.0894802+to:Chepstow,+UK&hl=en&ll=51.550818,-2.049294&spn=0.181035,0.528374&sll=51.594349,-1.777382&sspn=0.180009,0.528374&geocode=FSyrFQMdi9js_ymvH8StgDNxSDECdFTLqNsgyA%3BFfizFAMdPPPp_yl1w8SIG8p2SDGg9HXNI4sNEw%3BFQhPEwMdqQ7n_ynhb7GwUElxSDGBsUzMI4sNEw%3BFbDFEwMdlKnl_ymR1tpsgEhxSDFnqPCfTv8A9g%3BFUsaEwMd-B3g_ym9v7EQ3m1xSDFFVoVNmSzCgw%3BFQD-EwMddDPX_ynjp2RKU5RxSDEON4XTUqxjig&oq=chepstow&dirflg=w&mra=dpe&mrsp=3&sz=12&via=1,2,3,4&t=m&z=12

Harwich to Buntingford + Oxford:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?saddr=harwich&daddr=51.94064,1.10074+to:51.96862,0.45605+to:oxford&hl=en&ll=51.735534,-1.020012&spn=0.179449,0.528374&sll=51.910391,0.795135&sspn=0.357508,1.056747&geocode=FQt2GAMdCTsTAClBEf1bwwzZRzE-GZpwRsBsyA%3BFSCNGAMdxMsQACnXNWdwgwvZRzF8scnsp4mHEw%3BFWz6GAMdcvUGACkT0GmTN_TYRzFhnMa8qBwOEw%3BFSyrFQMdi9js_ymvH8StgDNxSDECdFTLqNsgyA&dirflg=w&doflg=ptk&mra=dpe&mrsp=1&sz=11&via=1,2&t=m&z=12

The leg to Buntingford should be laney but detail is not worked out, but I know that route from Harwich out through Manningtree. The drivers in Manningtree are a bit mad though. From Finchingfield to Buntingford is actually from a local 200k and is a pleasant route. From there onwards to Oxford is the part I can't offer anything for, so what's shown is just the random route selected by google and needs some other input.


Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 30 March, 2012, 08:10:29 pm
I should plan getting to Chepstow now. Is there a camping nearby?


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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Ray 6701 on 30 March, 2012, 08:51:32 pm
This is where I say I haven't done 1000km in total this year yet, but am on the list. I should plan getting to Chepstow now. Is there a camping nearby? Does anyone have a good route from Harwich to Chepstow? (with a recommended camping or B&B underway?)

Also, participation is still under the assumption that my ankle behaves. I'll book a ferry after Easter if everything goes the way I want it to go.

I'm gonna have a room at the local Travelodge for the Friday & Sunday night you can use if you want.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: vorsprung on 30 March, 2012, 10:23:08 pm
And, of course, the problem with this type of list is that you look at it and think "Do I really want to spend a weekend with that lot?"    :)

You won't be.  You'll be back at Chepstow smoking your pipe before they get to Knighton
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 30 March, 2012, 11:06:37 pm
You won't be.  You'll be back at Chepstow smoking your pipe before they get to Knighton

Ah, Knighton - that place where you can stop for a rewarding ice-cream.

As if the previous 15 miles with over 1000 foot of downhill weren't reward enough  :demon:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Ray 6701 on 30 March, 2012, 11:31:40 pm

As if the previous 15 miles with over 1000 foot of downhill weren't reward enough  :demon:

Now that sounds like my kinda cycling  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Simonb on 30 March, 2012, 11:48:31 pm
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Trumpet ( possibly blowing after 300k ! )
CET - back after a 3-year break from BCMs
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Pingu
D.G.E. (will be looking at the red light of Redlight)
Feanor
PpPete (and hopefully Mrs PpP too)
Jonah
bikey-mikey (sorry half dozing)
JStone
Simonb (and his old pal Pete from France, NOTP) -- we'll be taking it easy
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Karla on 30 March, 2012, 11:54:14 pm
Surely this will end up with about 50 names or ~ half the field right?!  ,,,,,,,.

There are a lot of shy wallflowers, less than half of the YACF AUKS have coughed to the roll call ....

It's a long way for some of us to travel from North Yorkshire to South Wales!  SimonB will have to make his own tea this time.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: thesloth on 31 March, 2012, 10:12:23 am
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tom_e
Trumpet ( possibly blowing after 300k ! )
CET - back after a 3-year break from BCMs
sbseven - not ridden the BCM, but rode the Anglesey 600 back in the 80s
Pingu
D.G.E. (will be looking at the red light of Redlight)
Feanor
PpPete (and hopefully Mrs PpP too)
Jonah
bikey-mikey (sorry half dozing)
JStone
Simonb (and his old pal Pete from France, NOTP) -- we'll be taking it easy
thesloth
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Simonb on 31 March, 2012, 10:54:26 am
SimonB will have to make his own tea this time.

Must say, it was jolly decent of you to make the effort last time!
Title: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Joolz on 31 March, 2012, 11:10:46 am
This will be the highlight of 2012 ;-)

Joolz
Title: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: bikey-mikey on 31 March, 2012, 11:29:37 am
This will be the highlight of 2012 ;-)

Joolz

Go Joolz !!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Bairdy on 31 March, 2012, 11:34:31 am
 
You won't be.  You'll be back at Chepstow smoking your pipe before they get to Knighton

 Ah, Knighton - that place where you can stop for a rewarding ice-cream.

As if the previous 15 miles with over 1000 foot of downhill weren't reward enough  :demon:


I might just loin you for that bit!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: akin on 31 March, 2012, 07:50:25 pm
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tom_e
Trumpet ( possibly blowing after 300k ! )
CET - back after a 3-year break from BCMs
sbseven - not ridden the BCM, but rode the Anglesey 600 back in the 80s
Pingu
D.G.E. (will be looking at the red light of Redlight)
Feanor
PpPete (and hopefully Mrs PpP too)
Jonah
bikey-mikey (sorry half dozing)
JStone
Simonb (and his old pal Pete from France, NOTP) -- we'll be taking it easy
thesloth
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Akin
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Filthy on 31 March, 2012, 08:21:46 pm
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tom_e
Trumpet ( possibly blowing after 300k ! )
CET - back after a 3-year break from BCMs
sbseven - not ridden the BCM, but rode the Anglesey 600 back in the 80s
Pingu
D.G.E. (will be looking at the red light of Redlight)
Feanor
PpPete (and hopefully Mrs PpP too)
Jonah
bikey-mikey (sorry half dozing)
JStone
Simonb (and his old pal Pete from France, NOTP) -- we'll be taking it easy
thesloth
joolz
Akin
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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 03 April, 2012, 10:54:12 am
NOT doing the BCM roll call

swarm_catcher (can you hear me Iddu? - I shall be looking forward to an armchair BCM)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Reg.T on 03 April, 2012, 11:43:20 am
NOT doing the BCM roll call

swarm_catcher (can you hear me Iddu? - I shall be looking forward to an armchair BCM)
Reg.T (want to be there, but can't this year - K&SW instead)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: iddu on 03 April, 2012, 11:59:06 am
NOT doing the BCM roll call

swarm_catcher (can you hear me Iddu? - I shall be looking forward to an armchair BCM)

Yeahbut - you're overdosing on 1200's, ya nutter ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: chillmoister on 03 April, 2012, 12:10:33 pm
having ridden this 3 years in a row I am struggling with not being there this year ...each year has been a whole weekend adventure with more stories to cure anyone of insomnia ... but I will be back at some point as I have yet to ride the sceni cversion.  Have fun!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Nuncio on 03 April, 2012, 12:34:40 pm
NOT doing the BCM roll call

swarm_catcher (can you hear me Iddu? - I shall be looking forward to an armchair BCM)
Reg.T (want to be there, but can't this year - K&SW instead)
chillmoister (too much adventure)
Nuncio (I'm washing my hair those days)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: marcusjb on 03 April, 2012, 05:15:14 pm
NOT doing the BCM roll call

swarm_catcher (can you hear me Iddu? - I shall be looking forward to an armchair BCM)
Reg.T (want to be there, but can't this year - K&SW instead)
chillmoister (too much adventure)
Nuncio (I'm washing my hair those days)
marcusjb - damned friend choosing that day of all days to get married.....mutter....mutter....mutter......grrrrr....next year......
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 03 April, 2012, 05:59:21 pm
I had to miss The Dean last year for similar reasons, caused me to have to ride The Elenith on fixed. :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Lordy on 03 April, 2012, 07:08:10 pm
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tom_e
Trumpet ( possibly blowing after 300k ! )
CET - back after a 3-year break from BCMs
sbseven - not ridden the BCM, but rode the Anglesey 600 back in the 80s
Pingu
D.G.E. (will be looking at the red light of Redlight)
Feanor
PpPete (and hopefully Mrs PpP too)
Jonah
bikey-mikey (sorry half dozing)
JStone
Simonb (and his old pal Pete from France, NOTP) -- we'll be taking it easy
thesloth
joolz
Akin
Filthy (with the bus travelling from Dunstable if anyone wants a lift down Friday evening)
Lordy
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 03 April, 2012, 09:53:49 pm

As if the previous 15 miles with over 1000 foot of downhill weren't reward enough  :demon:

Now that sounds like my kinda cycling  :thumbsup:

The first year I did the BCM there was a socking great headwind up the valley and had to pedal all the way to Knighton  :( :(
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Bairdy on 03 April, 2012, 10:52:51 pm
NOT doing the BCM roll call

swarm_catcher (can you hear me Iddu? - I shall be looking forward to an armchair BCM)
Reg.T (want to be there, but can't this year - K&SW instead)
chillmoister (too much adventure)
Nuncio (I'm washing my hair those days)
Bairdy (Too many excuses to list.)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 03 April, 2012, 11:26:31 pm

As if the previous 15 miles with over 1000 foot of downhill weren't reward enough  :demon:

Now that sounds like my kinda cycling  :thumbsup:

The first year I did the BCM there was a socking great headwind up the valley and had to pedal all the way to Knighton  :( :(

2008 was like that.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: L CC on 05 April, 2012, 11:20:02 am
Tewdric
Hot Flatus
MattH
Cyclofabrica
Redlight (at the back, of course)
simonp
Halloween
Rottenhat
Maverick
Fungus
maybe Chris S but not the injured fboab who will be obeying her doctor and not riding
Updated.
:'(
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: LEE on 05 April, 2012, 11:33:29 am
NOT doing the BCM roll call

swarm_catcher (can you hear me Iddu? - I shall be looking forward to an armchair BCM)
Reg.T (want to be there, but can't this year - K&SW instead)
chillmoister (too much adventure)
Nuncio (I'm washing my hair those days)
Bairdy (Too many excuses to list.)
LEE (Too Fat & I think I'm allergic to the sleet on PenYPass)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: urban_biker on 05 April, 2012, 11:46:55 am
NOT doing the BCM roll call

swarm_catcher (can you hear me Iddu? - I shall be looking forward to an armchair BCM)
Reg.T (want to be there, but can't this year - K&SW instead)
chillmoister (too much adventure)
Nuncio (I'm washing my hair those days)
Bairdy (Too many excuses to list.)
LEE (Too Fat & I think I'm allergic to the sleet on PenYPass)
urban_biker ( its a long way - and I think I'm out of innertubes - plus what LEE said - but quite defintely not what Reg.T said )
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: vorsprung on 05 April, 2012, 12:15:26 pm
Reg.T (want to be there, but can't this year - K&SW instead)

Might do both.  Depends on my knees  ;D Actually it depends on the weather on the BCM.   I've found in the past if the BCM is bad weather it takes more than a week for me to fully recover.  And I'd have to be fully recovered to do the K&SW

If I'm not riding the K&SW I will probably help at the finish or something
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: vorsprung on 05 April, 2012, 12:18:43 pm
LEE (Too Fat & I think I'm allergic to the sleet on PenYPass)

I don't think I've ever experienced sleet on the Pen-Y-Pass on the BCM or any other ride.  The worst was during the Irish Mail last year, it was very very wet but not sleety
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 13 April, 2012, 06:56:12 pm
I've got updated OS maps now. This means I will finally re-plot the section of my gps track approaching Talgarth to actually follow the road and I can get all the incorrect roundabout waypoints sorted out.

If I remember.  :P
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: L CC on 13 April, 2012, 07:39:41 pm
NOT doing the BCM roll call

swarm_catcher (can you hear me Iddu? - I shall be looking forward to an armchair BCM)
Reg.T (want to be there, but can't this year - K&SW instead)
chillmoister (too much adventure)
Nuncio (I'm washing my hair those days)
Bairdy (Too many excuses to list.)
LEE (Too Fat & I think I'm allergic to the sleet on PenYPass)
urban_biker ( its a long way - and I think I'm out of innertubes - plus what LEE said - but quite defintely not what Reg.T said )
fboab (injured, jealous, making tea and bringing cake & ridicule)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Redlight on 13 April, 2012, 07:52:29 pm


I don't think I've ever experienced sleet on the Pen-Y-Pass on the BCM or any other ride. 

There was sleet for us stragglers in 2010. Not fun. Got to Menai cold and wet with chattering teeth and was still shaking an hour later.  At that point, I'd had enough and the fact the sleet was still going when I started heading back up the hill was enough to send me in search of a dry bed.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 13 April, 2012, 08:04:51 pm
Is there more likely to be rain at night than during the day in Snowdonia, I wonder?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Efrogwr on 13 April, 2012, 08:27:27 pm
Is there more likely to be rain at night than during the day in Snowdonia, I wonder?

There's likely to be rain, full stop. It even rains on dry days. :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 13 April, 2012, 08:33:04 pm
Is there more likely to be rain at night than during the day in Snowdonia, I wonder?

2001 the evening was so warm, the group I was in were down to their base layers.
2002 Apparently was a pig. Mind you it was in March.
2003 was V wet & VV Windy. Rain was being blown up the road towards Pen-y-Pass.
2004 Clear skies for 99.9% of the w/e warm days and V cold night.
2005 Misty - the day had been hot, but there were showers later in the day.
2006 dry breezey
2007 Dry, fairly mild.
2008 recovering
2009 Showers over passes.
2010 Showers during early hours. (a poet and he doesn't know it)
2011 Hot in day, cool at night.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 13 April, 2012, 08:34:27 pm
I'm going to map a few bus shelters and make waypoints for them in my gpx.  There's one near the top of the climb to Trawsfynydd iirc, and a 15 minute stop there might be just the thing for a sleepy stoker.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 13 April, 2012, 08:50:12 pm
I'm going to map a few bus shelters and make waypoints for them in my gpx.  There's one near the top of the climb to Trawsfynydd iirc, and a 15 minute stop there might be just the thing for a sleepy stoker.

Found it!

Bit earlier than I remembered: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Trawsfynydd&hl=en&ll=52.948696,-3.995783&spn=0.002741,0.008256&sll=51.28442,-2.819352&sspn=0.045309,0.132093&oq=traw&hnear=Trawsfynydd,+Gwynedd,+United+Kingdom&t=k&z=18&layer=c&cbll=52.948675,-3.9959&panoid=UHdV7ABtlE5oBVGolgT72w&cbp=12,332.17,,0,5.03
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: arabella on 13 April, 2012, 09:00:22 pm
NOT doing the BCM roll call

swarm_catcher (can you hear me Iddu? - I shall be looking forward to an armchair BCM)
Reg.T (want to be there, but can't this year - K&SW instead)
chillmoister (too much adventure)
Nuncio (I'm washing my hair those days)
Bairdy (Too many excuses to list.)
LEE (Too Fat & I think I'm allergic to the sleet on PenYPass)
urban_biker ( its a long way - and I think I'm out of innertubes - plus what LEE said - but quite defintely not what Reg.T said )
fboab (injured, jealous, making tea and bringing cake & ridicule)
arabella (will probably also be washing my hair.  but not at the same sink, oh no.  or something)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Jasmine on 13 April, 2012, 09:06:05 pm
Simon - the people of Maentwrog would be highly offended at you referring to it as Trawsfynydd.  That bus stop has enormous toilets, but they are definitely locked at night.

Also, Mark, 2011 was hot in day but cold at night?  We had solid non-stop rain from 3pm until we got back to King's at 1am.  It rained on Anglesey from 10am until the following day.  Coming down Pen-y-pas in hail on a tandem was not the most fun I've ever had.  I happen to think that the Gwynant is a very boring route, but then there's only so many times you can ride the same gentle incline.  ::-)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 13 April, 2012, 09:14:18 pm
Simon - the people of Maentwrog would be highly offended at you referring to it as Trawsfynydd.  That bus stop has enormous toilets, but they are definitely locked at night.

Yeah, it was a lot sooner after Penrhyndeudraeth* than I recalled.

* Nope, still can't spell it.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 13 April, 2012, 09:56:34 pm

Also, Mark, 2011 was hot in day but cold at night?  We had solid non-stop rain from 3pm until we got back to King's at 1am.  It rained on Anglesey from 10am until the following day.  Coming down Pen-y-pas in hail on a tandem was not the most fun I've ever had.  I happen to think that the Gwynant is a very boring route, but then there's only so many times you can ride the same gentle incline.  ::-)

Quite possibly, and a bit unfortunate - as many of the Kings pre-midnight arrivees never saw any rain of any note. And set-off in the dry.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Redlight on 13 April, 2012, 11:11:34 pm
I think anyone who gets back to Kings before midnight should be required to go back to Menai and get another stamp!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 13 April, 2012, 11:34:47 pm
25kph rolling average plus 30 minutes random stops on the road plus averaging 25 minutes stopped at each of 4 controls before kings southbound.

That sounds easy. The part I failed spectacularly on last year was the quick stops. Two controls were over an hour though my rolling speed was not far shy of 25kph. I got back to kings at 2am. I kept stopping to mess with my phone as the music wasn't working properly.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feline on 14 April, 2012, 10:59:44 am
25kph rolling average plus 30 minutes random stops on the road plus averaging 25 minutes stopped at each of 4 controls before kings southbound.

That sounds easy. The part I failed spectacularly on last year was the quick stops. Two controls were over an hour though my rolling speed was not far shy of 25kph. I got back to kings at 2am. I kept stopping to mess with my phone as the music wasn't working properly.

Well this year you will have me to sing to you in emergencies like that ... it will make you ride super-fast to get the ride over with!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: trumpet on 14 April, 2012, 09:03:23 pm
What is the minimum or average amount of sleep do you BCM riders normally get / aim for ?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 14 April, 2012, 09:12:41 pm
I am for 4 hours, when doing the 2004 route. Have always managed this, or thereabouts, when doing the 2004 route.


Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feline on 14 April, 2012, 09:25:59 pm
I am for 4 hours, when doing the 2004 route. Have always managed this, or thereabouts, when doing the 2004 route.

I might get an extra hours sleep on the back of the tandem if the arrow is anything to go by  ;)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 14 April, 2012, 09:33:55 pm
In the past, 3 hours, whether I get to Kings at 11.30pm or 4am.  Seems to work for me  :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 15 April, 2012, 09:43:20 pm
What is the minimum or average amount of sleep do you BCM riders normally get / aim for ?

4 or 5 years ago I recall someone getting back to Kings and having at least 10 hours sleep, Guy the warden told me they eventually woke at about 5 on Sunday evening when the next bunk user checked-in.

Similarly some riders had about 6 hours sleep and got back before mid day Sunday.

Everyone else falls somewhere in between. Hope this helps
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Tewdric on 15 April, 2012, 09:50:19 pm
I am for 4 hours, when doing the 2004 route. Have always managed this, or thereabouts, when doing the 2004 route.

I think 4 hours is optimum.  Apart from anything else, more than that is bunk hogging!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 15 April, 2012, 10:26:04 pm
I am for 4 hours, when doing the 2004 route. Have always managed this, or thereabouts, when doing the 2004 route.

I think 4 hours is optimum.  Apart from anything else, more than that is bunk hogging!

Yes, I think at busy times 4h was pretty much as much as was allowed to be booked in any case. It’s not really fair for fast riders to hog the bunks and prevent slower riders getting some kip.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 15 April, 2012, 10:29:57 pm
So what advantage is it for a rider to not loiter at earlier controls if they don't earn a decent sleep? Getting turfed out at 3am wouldn't be my choice.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 15 April, 2012, 10:49:44 pm
So what advantage is it for a rider to not loiter at earlier controls if they don't earn a decent sleep? Getting turfed out at 3am wouldn't be my choice.

When I arrived at 1.30am in 2008 I saw a rider leaving. :)

I think if you arrived at 10pm and slept for 8h the people arriving at 2am might be a bit miffed if they couldn’t get a bed and you slept til 6am. OTOH, arriving at midnight, sleeping for 4h and then getting up for a leisurely breakfast and setting off at 5am seems quite civilised, and 18h for 400km is not particularly slow. If you are much faster than that, perhaps sleep at Aberihaventacluehowtospellit, it’s only 80k further on, which is ~1am arrival if you arrive at Kings at 10pm.






Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 15 April, 2012, 10:56:57 pm
If sleeping for 4 hours is civilised, sleeping for 5 or 6 hours is more so. Leaving at stupid o'clock is a recipe for freezing your arse off, a fairly crap way to start the second day of a 600.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: mattc on 16 April, 2012, 09:31:40 am
So what advantage is it for a rider to not loiter at earlier controls if they don't earn a decent sleep?
One possibility is the lack of trains home at 10pm on the Sunday. (Or other Sunday-night deadlines created by Real Life.)

Yes, I think at busy times 4h was pretty much as much as was allowed to be booked in any case. It’s not really fair for fast riders to hog the bunks and prevent slower riders getting some kip.

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 16 April, 2012, 09:34:33 am
It seems lucky for me that I've picked a 600 with a more civilised sleeping policy this year.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: mattc on 16 April, 2012, 09:46:12 am
1 more bed at Dolgellau  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 16 April, 2012, 09:49:20 am
See, everybody wins. Just let me know before I enter an event if there are going to be bed Nazis!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: mattc on 16 April, 2012, 09:53:10 am
See, everybody wins. Just let me know before I enter an event if there are going to be bed Nazis!
You were very keen on Saturday to encourage "anyone of reasonable fitness" to complete as many big rides as possible. How does making them sleep on the floor for their precious 2 hours help in this aim?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 16 April, 2012, 09:59:33 am
I've slept on floors plenty of times, including last Friday night. Don't see that as a problem or hinderance. Plenty of PBPers seem to do just fine despite sleeping on the floor and the organisers don't turf folks out of their beds.

I don't turf faster riders out of their beds and I get annoyed when somebody tries to do it to me. Faster riders don't just magically float round a long brevet. In many cases they've spent less time off the bike to get to the sleep stop sooner.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: mattc on 16 April, 2012, 10:07:48 am
In many cases they've spent less time off the bike to get to the sleep stop sooner.
Try saying that to someone arriving at Kings @5am. Make sure you offer them the first punch.

(It won't hurt - they'll be knackered :) )

Do you really think riders will have an extra cup of tea so that they can kick someone out of bed?!?


You can't have it both ways.
"If sleeping for 4 hours is civilised, sleeping for 5 or 6 hours is more so."
So of course having a proper bed is helpful on a 600  ::-)

I can't condone deliberately robbing your fellow rider of sleep - it's a safety issue as much as anything else. "Plenty of PBPers do just fine ..." is rarely a rational argument.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 16 April, 2012, 10:20:08 am
I think neither of us are going to change our opinions but I don't think I'm being inconsistent. I don't begrudge somebody faster having more sleep than me or getting a choice of sleeping locations but it seems you do.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: mattc on 16 April, 2012, 10:33:37 am
Having more time in hand to sleep
... is not the same thing as
Stopping another rider using a bed.

The faster rider will very-nearly-always still get more sleep, whatever policy is enforced by the "bed Nazis". (And probably wake everyone up as they leave  ;D )
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: GrahamG on 16 April, 2012, 10:45:35 am
I dunno what's optimal, but I know that faffing for an hour and leaving yourself only 1hr 15m for a kip will leave you utterly destroyed when you arrive in Chepstow on Sunday evening.

This year I don't have the luxury of phoning the wife for a lift so I'm hoping to get more sleep in order to make the 25km home over the bridge!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 16 April, 2012, 10:51:06 am
Whoops.

I have to say that I don't know for sure what the policy is, and I might have misrecollected. There were more beds provided last year in a PBP year and I think everyone got a bed.

Personally I don't begrudge faster riders getting a long sleep, but at the expense of somewhat slower riders getting none, that seems unreasonable. I've never failed to get a bed on this event.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: vorsprung on 16 April, 2012, 11:20:41 am
I've never failed to get a bed on this event.

I've done the event six times and always got a bed.  I usually get back at 2:30am-ish, although I have been much later than this on a couple of occasions
Sleep until 6am, try to have a quick breakfast, fail to have a quick breakfast and leave 7am-ish
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: L CC on 16 April, 2012, 11:41:08 am
 I'm really looking forward to kicking fast riders out of bed. :D

I suspect I'll have to wake them gently at a time of their choosing, just like everyone else though.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 16 April, 2012, 11:49:28 am
Talking of civilsed sleeping facilities, where is the tandem couples' dorm?

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Karla on 16 April, 2012, 11:50:20 am
Whoops.

I have to say that I don't know for sure what the policy is, and I might have misrecollected. There were more beds provided last year in a PBP year and I think everyone got a bed.

Personally I don't begrudge faster riders getting a long sleep, but at the expense of somewhat slower riders getting none, that seems unreasonable. I've never failed to get a bed on this event.

I got a sofa for half an hour last year, does that count?  The lounge where I slept was pretty full of bodies.  IIRC I went to sleep at half 2 or thereabouts.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 16 April, 2012, 11:56:53 am
Whoops.

I have to say that I don't know for sure what the policy is, and I might have misrecollected. There were more beds provided last year in a PBP year and I think everyone got a bed.

Personally I don't begrudge faster riders getting a long sleep, but at the expense of somewhat slower riders getting none, that seems unreasonable. I've never failed to get a bed on this event.

I got a sofa for half an hour last year, does that count?  The lounge where I slept was pretty full of bodies.  IIRC I went to sleep at half 2 or thereabouts.

The main YHA was full at around 2am. It wasn't when I arrived, but by the time I'd enquired if there were beds available, then eaten, then went to get a bed, others who had not eaten had taken the few remaining free beds. I went down to the bunk-house for a bed.


Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: mattc on 16 April, 2012, 12:04:14 pm
£17.50 would be a lot to pay for a 600 with nothing to sleep on. It's different (e.g. on PBP) where there's a seperate charge for beds.

If NO accomodation is included on an event, you can always book something elsewhere, it's your choice.

(I've only ridden this thing once, so my earlier comments are more about the general principle of riders getting sleep on overnight rides using the public highway. I got a bed in 2008, but was very miffed on finding the promised sleeping area at Menai had been built over! Luckily hardly anyone is ready to sleep by that stage - I was just having a bad day. My general reading of the history books is that are enough beds outside of non-PBP years.)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 16 April, 2012, 12:08:21 pm
The sleeping facilities on the BCM are better than on PBP, and far better run than the St Nic du Pelem sleep stop on PBP last year, which was chaos. Plus, someone had nicked the blanket on my bed.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: L CC on 16 April, 2012, 12:17:05 pm
I can arrange for stolen blankets if you'd like to re-live that?

 :P
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Jasmine on 16 April, 2012, 12:17:39 pm
Talking of civilsed sleeping facilities, where is the tandem couples' dorm?

Erm, bring a tent?

I personally don't mind sharing with non-women, but some of the men might be shy!  Last year Andy & I only had 1 drop bag between us.  While I went off to the toilet he decided to take it and go off to the boy's dorm - leaving me with only my soaking wet cycling clothes!  I will also point out that the reason my clothes were quite so wet was because he had removed the rear mudguard (because it doesn't really do anything for the pilot on a tandem).
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 16 April, 2012, 12:26:19 pm
Talking of civilsed sleeping facilities, where is the tandem couples' dorm?

Erm, bring a tent?

I personally don't mind sharing with non-women, but some of the men might be shy!  Last year Andy & I only had 1 drop bag between us.  While I went off to the toilet he decided to take it and go off to the boy's dorm - leaving me with only my soaking wet cycling clothes!  I will also point out that the reason my clothes were quite so wet was because he had removed the rear mudguard (because it doesn't really do anything for the pilot on a tandem).

I was being slightly facetious. At PBP the sleeping seemed to just be massive sports halls filled with camp beds. If there's separate accommodation for ladies there's a risk we could end up one getting a bed and the other not, though, which would be a pain.

If I removed the rear mudguard, I'm sure I'd end up being told to swap the saddles and end up stoking - though I think Feline might be a bit over-reached on the front.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 16 April, 2012, 12:28:12 pm
So Jasmine, riding the solo more these days?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Nuncio on 16 April, 2012, 12:38:49 pm
I got a sofa for half an hour last year, does that count?  The lounge where I slept was pretty full of bodies.  IIRC I went to sleep at half 2 or thereabouts.

The bunks are very comfortable but those (2?) sofas in the common room are very, very comfortable.  I wouldn’t take one by choice, though, unless the hinges on the common room door have been oiled recently.  And, as you say, you can go to sleep in glorious isolation and wake up to a body-and-drop-bag-strewn obstacle course between you and the squeaky door.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Redlight on 16 April, 2012, 12:46:47 pm
I got half an hour in a chair last year. That was enough. Us slow riders don't expend enough energy to need much sleep  :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Jasmine on 16 April, 2012, 12:47:40 pm
So Jasmine, riding the solo more these days?

I am actually.  It's amazing the number of issues that just don't happen on solo!  I rode the arrow last week on the back of the tandem and my bum hurt.  I also had to ride at a sub-optimal (for me) cadence & gear.  On the plus side, the mud-guards had returned  ;)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: MattH on 16 April, 2012, 12:57:19 pm
I've ridden three times, and I've only ended up in the common room once. As I recall, a certain person who shall remain nameless (but was riding with Nuncio and myself) snuck into the last bed whilst we were eating. Not that I hold grudges. Oh no. I barely even have the event etched indelibly in my mind.

 :)

The sofas are comfortable if you can grab one. Teamed up with a YACF buff blindfold and LEL issue earplugs I slept soundly. Getting out is a bit of an obstacle course.


See my entry in the Audax song titles (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=26018.msg973377#msg973377) thread.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: miniog on 16 April, 2012, 02:09:35 pm
I've ridden three times, and I've only ended up in the common room once. As I recall, a certain person who shall remain nameless (but was riding with Nuncio and myself) snuck into the last bed whilst we were eating. Not that I hold grudges. Oh no. I barely even have the event etched indelibly in my mind.

That bed was particularly warm, dry and comfortable. I slept like a log.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 16 April, 2012, 09:07:13 pm
Are there sleeping facilities at Aberhafesp?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: red marley on 16 April, 2012, 09:10:03 pm
After a fashion. It's a modern village hall with a stage at one end and some some mats for sleeping if you wish. I have always managed 30 minutes or so snooze behind the curtains there. It probably won't be very quiet, so unless you are very early, I wouldn't rely on getting many hours' worth.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 16 April, 2012, 09:18:20 pm
Feline could probably sleep there, given her Arrow sleeping achievements. We’re unlikely to be fast enough to make it an option, though.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Charlie Boy on 17 April, 2012, 08:43:09 pm
I got half an hour in a chair last year. That was enough. Us slow riders don't expend enough energy to need much sleep  :)

+1.

Any more than that is not in the spirit of audax.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Audaxwebby on 17 April, 2012, 10:22:24 pm
Well thats me down for the brian chapman form and cheque ready to be posted in the morning. Done my 200 & 300 was going to do the brevet 400. But choose to do the Avalon Sunrise 400 in june instead so its a 600 before my first 400. Anyone got any advice besides good luck :) 
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 17 April, 2012, 10:28:03 pm
Well thats me down for the brian chapman form and cheque ready to be posted in the morning. Done my 200 & 300 was going to do the brevet 400. But choose to do the Avalon Sunrise 400 in june instead so its a 600 before my first 400. Anyone got any advice besides good luck :)

Plenty of sleep in the week leading up.
Get to the start in plenty of time.
Have breakfast.

None of which I did doing the Scenic version in 2007, and it was my first 600, and my first DNF.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feline on 17 April, 2012, 10:33:31 pm
Well thats me down for the brian chapman form and cheque ready to be posted in the morning. Done my 200 & 300 was going to do the brevet 400. But choose to do the Avalon Sunrise 400 in june instead so its a 600 before my first 400. Anyone got any advice besides good luck :)

Plenty of sleep in the week leading up.
Get to the start in plenty of time.
Have breakfast.

None of which I did doing the Scenic version in 2007, and it was my first 600, and my first DNF.

We have never had plenty of sleep the night before an audax when we have been together heh :p
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Somnolent on 17 April, 2012, 10:35:23 pm
We have never had plenty of sleep the night before an audax when we have been together heh :p

 :o
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Audaxwebby on 17 April, 2012, 10:39:10 pm
Well thats me down for the brian chapman form and cheque ready to be posted in the morning. Done my 200 & 300 was going to do the brevet 400. But choose to do the Avalon Sunrise 400 in june instead so its a 600 before my first 400. Anyone got any advice besides good luck :)

Plenty of sleep in the week leading up.
Get to the start in plenty of time.
Have breakfast.

None of which I did doing the Scenic version in 2007, and it was my first 600, and my first DNF.
   thank you for the advice ill do my best.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 17 April, 2012, 11:41:06 pm
We have never had plenty of sleep the night before an audax when we have been together heh :p

 :o

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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Redlight on 25 April, 2012, 10:14:38 pm
It's less than a month away. Shouldn't we be speculating about the weather and whether we'll all be delayed by an outbreak of roadworks north of Brecon by now?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: GrahamG on 26 April, 2012, 10:46:19 am
I'm going to stick with the consensus on the Brevet Cymru thread - we're in for some nastyness.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Audaxwebby on 02 May, 2012, 07:48:37 pm
Well bad news I won't be joining you all on the Brian Chapman.I have picked up a knee injury which I have been carrying since the Heart of England. Which I had a few weeks leading up to the  H of E. So I have decided to rest up as I won't be ready in time. So I hope to be ready for the Avalon sunrise 400 in june. Take care all those who are doing the chapman see you all soon.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: tom_e on 02 May, 2012, 08:01:04 pm
I'm also out unfortunately.  Just couldn't manage to juggle the rides and young family.  Enjoy all. 
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Lordy on 02 May, 2012, 08:46:29 pm
Well bad news I won't be joining you all on the Brian Chapman.I have picked up a knee injury which I have been carrying since the Heart of England. Which I had a few weeks leading up to the  H of E. So I have decided to rest up as I won't be ready in time. So I hope to be ready for the Avalon sunrise 400 in june. Take care all those who are doing the chapman see you all soon.

Shame Jase, go steady and see you out there soon.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Somnolent on 03 May, 2012, 04:27:53 pm
Weather and work have combined to reduce my mileage to abysmal levels since the start of April.
Still planning to be there for it though - after all didnt the estimable Mr Blacksheep promise to sacrifice sufficient virgins** to ensure good weather ?


** Are there enough virgins in Wales ?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: LEE on 03 May, 2012, 05:32:33 pm
Weather and work have combined to reduce my mileage to abysmal levels since the start of April.
Still planning to be there for it though - after all didnt the estimable Mr Blacksheep promise to sacrifice sufficient virgins** to ensure good weather ?


** Are there enough virgins in Wales ?

I think it's weather that makes or breaks this ride.  Yes there's lots of altitude along the way but you gain it in a way that suits the heavier riders amongst us (I only remember Llancloudy as being a proper "Devon/Dorset grind").

It's been the sleet in the face and a relentlessly rainy night section I found most challenging.  2011 was the best weather yet and, as a result, made it a jolly couple of days on the bike (Naturally I was lashed with Sleet on Pen-Y-Pass but that's to be expected).

You get chance to see what the weather will be like at Pen-Y-Pass as you ride the coast past Harlech.  Several times we witnessed the sun-drenched summits of Snowdon being hidden by ominous dark clouds off the sea.  It had a distinct Mordor feel to it (except Mordor was warmer).

I wonder if I'll ride this again, one more time maybe.  It would be PBP year if I did.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: MattH on 03 May, 2012, 05:42:37 pm
PBP year? Ah, that would make it a qualifier for you then. You know you want to do it again...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: bikey-mikey on 03 May, 2012, 05:55:58 pm
Yes there's lots of altitude along the way but you gain it in a way that suits the heavier riders amongst us (I only remember Llancloudy as being a proper "Devon/Dorset grind").

LEE

I have never really got to grips with all the different types of hills we encounter, and what sorts of riders are suited to each type...

Experienced audaxers talk about hills in a sort of shorthand, e.g. grinds, power climbs, etc, but I never could grasp the differences...

I am guessing that the BC will be mainly relatively shallow inclines, rather than very steep all or nothing climbs (e.g. shall I walk it?), but I would love to have a proper glossary and understanding...

Could you perhaps explain further for all us newbies?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Bairdy on 03 May, 2012, 06:04:33 pm
It's less than a month away. Shouldn't we be speculating about the weather and whether we'll all be delayed by an outbreak of roadworks north of Brecon by now?

I was up in Dolgellau a couple of weeks ago and there are considerable road works near Cross Foxes. (it's the road that links Cross Foxes to Dolgellau)
They are taking out numerous bends and re routing the road due to the amount of accidents on that section.
When I was there they were taking all the trees down.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Veloman on 03 May, 2012, 09:19:10 pm
Weather and work have combined to reduce my mileage to abysmal levels since the start of April.
Still planning to be there for it though - after all didnt the estimable Mr Blacksheep promise to sacrifice sufficient virgins** to ensure good weather ?


** Are there enough virgins in Wales ?

I wonder if I'll ride this again, one more time maybe.  It would be PBP year if I did.

That's the spirit Lee; far more positive.

Far more positive than a previous post:

"I never felt fitter than at the end of my 200km RRTY series and I reckon I'll use 200s as an excuse to get fit again next year.  I'm not sure I'll ever do >300 again though."

Never say never, unless you have to.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Redlight on 03 May, 2012, 09:25:52 pm

I am guessing that the BC will be mainly relatively shallow inclines, rather than very steep all or nothing climbs (e.g. shall I walk it?), but I would love to have a proper glossary and understanding...

Could you perhaps explain further for all us newbies?

From memory, most of the climbs are relatively steady gradients with a couple that are a bit on the long side. There's one stinker not far before the control at Weobley (sp?) where you turn off a C road to go up a wall of a D or E road, but it's very short.  The section before Monmouth on the final leg is a bit lumpy in that it's a succession of roller coaster-style dips and climbs. They're not particularly hard or long but if you're tired - and most people are by then - they can take it out of you a bit. 

And of course, what goes up must come down and if you enjoy fast descents, this is a great ride!  Even better if they take out those bends on the descent from Cross Foxes.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: MattH on 03 May, 2012, 09:30:02 pm
I love the rollercoaster - except for the very last climb, which is too long to get over the top using mainly momentum. But then I'm heavy and like descending, so I can get up a fair lick on the downhills before each climb.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Charlie Boy on 03 May, 2012, 09:41:02 pm
Yes there's lots of altitude along the way but you gain it in a way that suits the heavier riders amongst us (I only remember Llancloudy as being a proper "Devon/Dorset grind").

LEE

I have never really got to grips with all the different types of hills we encounter, and what sorts of riders are suited to each type...

Experienced audaxers talk about hills in a sort of shorthand, e.g. grinds, power climbs, etc, but I never could grasp the differences...

I am guessing that the BC will be mainly relatively shallow inclines, rather than very steep all or nothing climbs (e.g. shall I walk it?), but I would love to have a proper glossary and understanding...

Could you perhaps explain further for all us newbies?

Mikey

Big boys are far more suited to long drags than short sharp efforts. There's no real satisfaction in getting it over and done with quickly; rather, a measured attempt to climax at the optimum point as you crest the summit, knowing you can relax for a few minutes, have a slim panatella,  and gather your strength before sallying forth once more unto the breach.

I cannot speak for racing snakes, other than by their very definition, they would appear to like to get things done as quickly as possible, and therefore would prefer the quicker efforts, which may well suit them, but perhaps not those they are 'riding' with.

Hope this helps.

CB

EDIT: Oh dear, definately too much vin de table last night. :-[

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: bikey-mikey on 03 May, 2012, 10:00:32 pm
I like the long drags, but I tend to ride them at a racing snails pace, with a heart rate below 120, and I still get up them within a few minutes of the fast boys, I don't go into the red, I don't tire myelf unduly, and I can usually make up a couple of minutes whilst 'they' recover and I don't need to....

Unless they are called Toby, of course, in which case I never see them again...    ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 04 May, 2012, 01:13:21 pm
Doors are now closed folks.

Obviously those in the system are OK.

Queries to whether you're in or not will be answered after Monday.

Once again, please check your in-boxes before asking.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Andy Corless on 04 May, 2012, 04:39:58 pm
Doors are now closed folks.

Obviously those in the system are OK.

Queries to whether you're in or not will be answered after Monday.

Once again, please check your in-boxes before asking.
That's a shame I was just about to enter. I thought entry was closing on 07 May?

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: mattc on 04 May, 2012, 04:47:54 pm
Arrivee says "(4/5)"
AUKweb said "2 weeks before the event" (which is actually 5/5!)

But AIUI Mark has closed entries due to it being full.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 04 May, 2012, 07:27:06 pm
.................... There's one stinker not far before the control at Weobley (sp?) where you turn off a C road to go up a wall of a D or E road, but it's very short.
You can miss this one by not taking the left opp The Forge, Then Left at the T, and then second Right. (the second right equates to the next line on the route sheet - SO @ X ........

............................................  The section before Monmouth on the final leg is a bit lumpy in that it's a succession of roller coaster-style dips and climbs. They're not particularly hard or long but if you're tired - and most people are by then - they can take it out of you a bit.
Are those the ones that get bigger and bigger, steeper and steeper ?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: MattH on 06 May, 2012, 03:45:28 pm
Unfortunately, real life has got in the way for me. We've finally got a completion date, and are moving house a couple of days after this ride. I can't really justify spending a long weekend in Wales whilst my family are packing up the house.

So, my loss may be someone else's gain. I have family rooms booked at the Severn View Travelodge for the Friday and Sunday nights, and would like to pass them to someone who can make use of them for what I paid.

As I booked these back in December, I got them for a bargain £10 a night - so, for £20 in total you can have somewhere warm and dry to sleep and leave the car before and after the ride. IME they are quite happy at this Travelodge for you to leave your car there on the Saturday night, saving a £6 toll if you are happy to ride the 2 miles to the start over the bridge.

Being family rooms they will sleep three, so you can always share to bring the price down even further.

PM me if you are interested - I would prefer to pass on both rooms together, but will split if necessary. Payment by paypal gift (you pay the fees) or bank transfer.


EDIT: provisionally taken.
EDIT2: gone. Sorry!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: LEE on 07 May, 2012, 09:28:49 am
Yes there's lots of altitude along the way but you gain it in a way that suits the heavier riders amongst us (I only remember Llancloudy as being a proper "Devon/Dorset grind").

LEE

I have never really got to grips with all the different types of hills we encounter, and what sorts of riders are suited to each type...

Experienced audaxers talk about hills in a sort of shorthand, e.g. grinds, power climbs, etc, but I never could grasp the differences...

I am guessing that the BC will be mainly relatively shallow inclines, rather than very steep all or nothing climbs (e.g. shall I walk it?), but I would love to have a proper glossary and understanding...

Could you perhaps explain further for all us newbies?

I heard Hummers once talking about "Pedalling Squares" (or similar) when referring to climbs on a Wessex ride.  It wasn't until I did a Wessex 400 (The Wu'ze, to date the hardest ride I've ever done) that I understood.  I think he refers to constantly trying to heave the pedals over top-dead-centre in a jerky, almost non-circular fashion, without coming to a dead stop.

You don't "pedal squares" on BC600 apart from the first 30 yards of the approach to the YHA if you forget to engage 1st gear before the turning. 

BC600 isn't about cranking 1st gear, out of the saddle, it's about sitting back and being prepared to turn over a lowish gear for 30-60 minutes at a time.  You can get into a nice rhythm on some because the gradient is so constant.  Climbing out of Newtown takes about 50 minutes for example.

The similar slog up to Pen-Y-Pass is no problem because you are totally distracted by the views and, if you arrive at sunset, like I generally did, you get to look back at your fellow Audaxers, their LED lights twinkling waaaaaay down below, with all that altitude gain ahead of them. (They'll be looking way up into the darkening sky, thinking "are those red lights aircraft or cyclists' rear lights?".

What a great ride...I appear to be talking myself into it so I'll stop right away.

Hope you all have great weather and you get to ride to Pen-Y-Pass in a warm setting sun.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 07 May, 2012, 10:48:32 am
..............BC600 isn't about cranking 1st gear, out of the saddle, it's about sitting back and being prepared to turn over a lowish gear for 30-60 minutes at a time.  You can get into a nice rhythm on some because the gradient is so constant.  Climbing out of Newtown takes about 50 minutes for example. ..............

You're spot-on there LEE  :thumbsup:

For the big clibs - such as the one mentioned above, the rise up Pen-y-Pass, and the climb out of Dolgellau. Just pick a nice low twiddle gear and sit back. I always set myself about an hour to climb them, if I'm at the top earlier - fantastic (but unlikely), if I'm on time - great.  if I'm 15 mins slower it's not the end of the world as there are l-o-n-g downs the otherside to really push-on. In the case of the Newtown climb, the descent's over 15 miles and providing the wind's not really blasting in the face, you'll be able to average nearly 20mph along there.
Generally speaking, folk remeber the ups because they're having to do some work whilst marvelling at the scenery, whilst on the downs they're still marvelling at the scenery but at a much faster rate.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: trumpet on 07 May, 2012, 07:36:47 pm
..............BC600 isn't about cranking 1st gear, out of the saddle, it's about sitting back and being prepared to turn over a lowish gear for 30-60 minutes at a time.  You can get into a nice rhythm on some because the gradient is so constant.  Climbing out of Newtown takes about 50 minutes for example. ..............

You're spot-on there LEE  :thumbsup:

For the big clibs - such as the one mentioned above, the rise up Pen-y-Pass, and the climb out of Dolgellau. Just pick a nice low twiddle gear and sit back. I always set myself about an hour to climb them, if I'm at the top earlier - fantastic (but unlikely), if I'm on time - great.  if I'm 15 mins slower it's not the end of the world as there are l-o-n-g downs the otherside to really push-on. In the case of the Newtown climb, the descent's over 15 miles and providing the wind's not really blasting in the face, you'll be able to average nearly 20mph along there.
Generally speaking, folk remeber the ups because they're having to do some work whilst marvelling at the scenery, whilst on the downs they're still marvelling at the scenery but at a much faster rate.

And if we're on fixed??  :-\
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Paul D on 07 May, 2012, 07:52:11 pm
And if we're on fixed??  :-\
Buy a screw-on freewheel.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 07 May, 2012, 11:50:32 pm
..............BC600 isn't about cranking 1st gear, out of the saddle, it's about sitting back and being prepared to turn over a lowish gear for 30-60 minutes at a time.  You can get into a nice rhythm on some because the gradient is so constant.  Climbing out of Newtown takes about 50 minutes for example. ..............

You're spot-on there LEE  :thumbsup:

For the big clibs - such as the one mentioned above, the rise up Pen-y-Pass, and the climb out of Dolgellau. Just pick a nice low twiddle gear and sit back. I always set myself about an hour to climb them, if I'm at the top earlier - fantastic (but unlikely), if I'm on time - great.  if I'm 15 mins slower it's not the end of the world as there are l-o-n-g downs the otherside to really push-on. In the case of the Newtown climb, the descent's over 15 miles and providing the wind's not really blasting in the face, you'll be able to average nearly 20mph along there.
Generally speaking, folk remeber the ups because they're having to do some work whilst marvelling at the scenery, whilst on the downs they're still marvelling at the scenery but at a much faster rate.

And if we're on fixed??  :-\

Some would say use a bigger gear.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: iddu on 08 May, 2012, 02:16:45 am
And if we're on fixed??  :-\
Some would say use a bigger gear.

Naw, just unclip and see where life takes you. It'll be fun. Short. But fun. ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 08 May, 2012, 07:31:03 am
Doors are now closed folks.
Obviously those in the system are OK.
Queries to whether you're in or not will be answered after Monday.
Once again, please check your in-boxes before asking.
Doors are now closed folks.
Obviously those in the system are OK.
Queries to whether you're in or not will be answered after Monday.
Once again, please check your in-boxes before asking.


Closing the event seems to be a pointless task , modified forms from other open events are being submitted at an increasing rate.

Some folk even telling me there's a fault with the AUK site, and gloating over their way around things.

So business as usual - entry's open for another week.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Andy Corless on 08 May, 2012, 11:52:57 am
Doors are now closed folks.
Obviously those in the system are OK.
Queries to whether you're in or not will be answered after Monday.
Once again, please check your in-boxes before asking.
Doors are now closed folks.
Obviously those in the system are OK.
Queries to whether you're in or not will be answered after Monday.
Once again, please check your in-boxes before asking.


Closing the event seems to be a pointless task , modified forms from other open events are being submitted at an increasing rate.

Some folk even telling me there's a fault with the AUK site, and gloating over their way around things.

So business as usual - entry's open for another week.
Thanks Mark - my entry is in the post today! 8)

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: GrahamG on 08 May, 2012, 11:55:34 am
I'll try and help procedings by chalking myself down as another DNS. Just not strong enough to do anything but struggle around - all goes back to a lack of winter riding. Lesson learned.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 08 May, 2012, 01:03:07 pm
............................................... - all goes back to a lack of winter riding. Lesson learned.

Obviously another candidate for the BlackSheep Mallorcan spring training camp
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: MattH on 08 May, 2012, 01:16:16 pm
A BlackSheep training camp for getting up to speed on BCM? Does it include sitting in big cold store on a turbo trainer, with all the lights out, and someone gradually cranking up the resistance and randomly throwing buckets of cold water over you? Then leading you off the bike into a nice warm room, feeding you, taking care of you, making you feel loved, then pushing you back out and onto the turbo again?

 :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 08 May, 2012, 01:43:06 pm
A BlackSheep training camp for getting up to speed on BCM? .........................

A couple of weeks based at Puerta Pollenca, Mountain riding to get at least 11 AAA, and a total distance of anything upto 900 to 1000km.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 08 May, 2012, 01:46:16 pm
Looking at the met office outlook for next week, MattH seems to be spot on!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Chris S on 08 May, 2012, 01:47:21 pm
Looking at the met office outlook for next week, MattH seems to be spot on!

Is that the same forecast team who were predicting snow last weekend for the BC?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 08 May, 2012, 01:51:49 pm
Looking at the met office outlook for next week, MattH seems to be spot on!

Is that the same forecast team who were predicting snow last weekend for the BC?

One rider reckoned it was 'trying' to snow on them.

The weather here yesterday (thunder storms, and heavy showers) suggests that it was very lucky we had decent weather on the ride. It was still rather cold, I wore winter top, merino base layer, winter leggings and winter gloves for the entire ride. There was maybe one 15 minute period on a steep climb in the late afternoon where I was too warm.


Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Chris S on 08 May, 2012, 01:56:50 pm
Yes, it was pretty chilly on the tops of the Cheviots on Sunday, too; the showers were definitely sleety up there. Of course, it's also much nearer to the Arctic Circle than Wales  :D.

I rode round wearing both winter tops, and wasn't warm by any means.

Come on summer - it's your turn now ffs.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Paul D on 08 May, 2012, 02:46:12 pm
Keep up: in 2012, cold is the new warm.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Jasmine on 08 May, 2012, 03:00:44 pm
Looking at the met office outlook for next week, MattH seems to be spot on!

Is that the same forecast team who were predicting snow last weekend for the BC?


They may not have had snow in South Wales, but here in the land of dragons it did snow this weekend.  And sleet, and hail.  We've also had the characteristic 40 mph wind (circular, based on traveling direction).  The good news is that it is usually a tailwind up the Gwynant pass.  The bad news is that we've had easterly winds fr the last 2 weeks, so it's been a headwind up the Gwynant forevery one of the 7 miles from Beddgelert.
Title: Fast enough for the BCM ?
Post by: alter-ego on 09 May, 2012, 01:16:32 pm
Fast enough for the BCM ?

Asking this on behalf of another lurker on here with:

6 x 200s this year in a fairly consistent 11 hours elapsed (10 hours riding) - of which 2 solo DIYxGPS, 1 group perm, 3 x calendar

1 x calendar 200 DNF due to seriously crap weather

1 x calendar 300 in 17 hours elapsed

No 400s.  Some experience of endurance/sleep deprivation events up to 40 hours (not bike related), so has the ability to “keep it together” albeit at a reduced pace in the latter stages of the second day.

Rider has an entry already in for BCM but confidence has been dented by being Lanterne Rouge on their latest 200 (in a very small field).. and found the Arrivée being packed away some two hours before the time limit !
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 09 May, 2012, 01:46:45 pm
I think, do-able, but won't be easy. 20kph rolling average means 31h on the bike, leaving 10h for stops. This sort of schedule will mean less sleep overnight than a faster rider might get. I note your friend seems to keep time stopped down well - 1h stopped on a 200 is far less than I use, normally. This will make up some time.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: mattc on 09 May, 2012, 01:52:36 pm
I'm pretty sure it was Simon who first gave 20kph as his 'typical moving average' on long rides, and that it generally gives enough time for eating+sleeping. I may have misremembered this (it was a long time ago), but it's stuck in my mind, and seems to be a pretty good guide, even on rides beyond 400k.

(To be honest I rarely check my moving average, but other people do, so I can use them as sanity checks!)

People do manage on lower speeds but they're hyper-efficient at stops and/or don't need sleep - neither of which applies to me!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 09 May, 2012, 02:00:47 pm
My moving average on the BCM last couple of times has been 23-24kph. But I finish with ~5h in hand on that with 10h off the bike. 22 on PBP. 22 on the Mille Cymru.

My target is 20kph overall til sleep stop. This is much faster than you really need to be.
Title: Re: Fast enough for the BCM ?
Post by: iddu on 09 May, 2012, 02:13:48 pm
Redacted list

They'll be reet.

...but confidence has been dented by being Lanterne Rouge on their latest 200 (in a very small field).. and found the Arrivée being packed away some two hours before the time limit !

With no definite confirmation (to finish crew) that all riders were in/abandoned? That would...get a RANT at Org.  Post-control legging it is sub-optimal, but pre-closing time w/o definitive knowledge... :facepalm:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: bikey-mikey on 09 May, 2012, 02:20:17 pm
My moving average on the BCM last couple of times has been 23-24kph. But I finish with ~5h in hand on that with 10h off the bike. 22 on PBP. 22 on the Mille Cymru.

My target is 20kph overall til sleep stop. This is much faster than you really need to be.

I tend towards moving averages c. 23, and overall (inc stops) of c. 20, the latter of which I most likely subconsciously self regulate towards...

You can go faster / stop for less time, BUT this affects:  a) your digestion  :sick: b) your recovery  :smug: and c) your circle of friends !!  :demon:
Title: Re: Fast enough for the BCM ?
Post by: mattc on 09 May, 2012, 02:26:00 pm
...but confidence has been dented by being Lanterne Rouge on their latest 200 (in a very small field).. and found the Arrivée being packed away some two hours before the time limit !

With no definite confirmation (to finish crew) that all riders were in/abandoned? That would...get a RANT at Org.  Post-control legging it is sub-optimal, but pre-closing time w/o definitive knowledge... :facepalm:
More info required. With 2 hours and 1 rider to go, it makes sense to start packing up stuff that Lanterne Rouge won't need (e.g. 10 tables and 20 chairs).
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Redlight on 09 May, 2012, 03:33:56 pm
I got round in 38.5 hours last year with just over half an hour's sleep at the YHA, but I did lose a lot of time at one of the controls when my food order went astray.  I applied the 20kph approach to the LEL a couple of years ago and it worked out fine; there was never a point at which I felt "behind" and in the latter stages I allowed myself more time at the controls than I had anticipated.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Ray 6701 on 09 May, 2012, 03:52:30 pm
As its a brm event I take it you have a time limit of 40hrs  ???
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 09 May, 2012, 03:55:37 pm
As its a brm event I take it you have a time limit of 40hrs  ???

Ah yes, my mistake. So a rider averaging 20kph only gets 9h off the bike if right on the limit, instead of 10h.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Redlight on 09 May, 2012, 04:51:45 pm
..and even less time on the BCM as it's 619km, so another hour lost
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 09 May, 2012, 04:57:03 pm
..and even less time on the BCM as it's 619km, so another hour lost

That's where 9h vs 10h comes from (actually it's about 1h15 lost for 19km over-distance).

Was there a rule passed that fall-back to BR validation was no longer allowed for BRM rides?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: L CC on 09 May, 2012, 05:11:49 pm
..and even less time on the BCM as it's 619km, so another hour lost

That's where 9h vs 10h comes from (actually it's about 1h15 lost for 19km over-distance).

Was there a rule passed that fall-back to BR validation was no longer allowed for BRM rides?
Yes. You enter a BRM or a BR ride, not both/either.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Manotea on 09 May, 2012, 06:05:20 pm
..and even less time on the BCM as it's 619km, so another hour lost

That's where 9h vs 10h comes from (actually it's about 1h15 lost for 19km over-distance).

Was there a rule passed that fall-back to BR validation was no longer allowed for BRM rides?
Yes. You enter a BRM or a BR ride, not both/either.

Whilst I understand the logic, this change to UK regulations struck me as small-minded and elitist.

Not that I ascribe these attributes to BOAB or that this has got 'owt to do with the BCM other than if I was riding this year I would request a BR Brevet. The fact is the BCM, one of top events in the AUK calendar,  is on the edge of my ability. My first finish was 40hrs+ but luckily that was a BR (non-PBP year), so that was OK. My last outing in 2011 was a PBP year and I got round in 39.5hrs (eat your heart out, Redlight!).
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: mattc on 09 May, 2012, 06:43:06 pm
My last outing in 2011 was a PBP year and I got round in 39.5hrs (eat your heart out, Redlight!).
It's official - the Manoteameter shows the BCM to be 25mins harder than PBP!


Incidentally, I don't think it's helpful to worry about the 'extra' 19km (and I say that as a 39h+ finisher). At 20kph average it makes 0.6kph difference. Just take it a stage at a time.
Title: Re: Fast enough for the BCM ?
Post by: Polepole on 09 May, 2012, 07:31:43 pm
Fast enough for the BCM ?

6 x 200s this year in a fairly consistent 11 hours elapsed...

Rider has an entry already in for BCM but confidence has been dented by being Lanterne Rouge on their latest 200 (in a very small field).. and found the Arrivée being packed away some two hours before the time limit !

I've entered so your friend has no worries about being Lanterne Rouge on this one. That will be my spot as long as my bike is fixed by then. I don't expect to get round in time given that it is BRM and 19K over the 600. I'll be ecstatic just to get round the ride. I suspect this ride will be well outside my ability but I'd still like to give it a go. Blacksheep- you have been warned.  I only average 20kph moving, irrespective of distance, over the usual sort of audax terrain. On a hilly ride it will probably be a great deal less unless the slow ascents and fast descents cancel each other out. I will probably take 2 hours sleep irrespective of how I'm doing time wise as I think I would be unsafe on the bike with less and in any case would not enjoy the ride without it and that is, for me, what it's all about. Tell your friend not to stress over the time or speed but to just chill and have a good time. I'm always towards the back of the field. I used to stress over keeping the organiser hanging around waiting for me but don't any longer. They know there is a chance they may have to be there til the bitter end. It's part of being an organiser. I usually take 12 hours upwards for a 200, but spend longer than an hour off the bike.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 09 May, 2012, 08:48:27 pm
EDIT 10/05/2012 @ 09:46, There were a few points raised, in the spirit of debate - I have removed the quotee's ID


Whilst I understand the logic, this change to UK regulations struck me as small-minded and elitist.

I'm affraid that's democracy for you, about 6% of the AUK membership voted for it.

The fact is the BCM, one of top events in the AUK calendar,

How times have changed, in june 2003, this event was all but dead on it's feet, any nobody in AUK wanted anything to do with it. The previous organiser couldn't find anyone to pass it to, I only stepped-in as a stop-gap until someone else came along.

................................. if I was riding this year I would request a BR Brevet.

Just out of interest. Does anyone have any idea of how many cyclists over the past decade have claimed the BR when the event was a BRM event?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Redlight on 09 May, 2012, 09:55:46 pm

Incidentally, I don't think it's helpful to worry about the 'extra' 19km (and I say that as a 39h+ finisher). At 20kph average it makes 0.6kph difference. Just take it a stage at a time.

Exactly, and as Polepole's subsequent comment articulates perfectly, the point is to find the ride an enjoyable / satisfying / challenging (you select) ride. If I hadn't been riding it as a PBP qualifier last year I wouldn't have even thought about the time - and as it was, I wasn't that bothered as there was still plenty of time to ride another 600). The only slight catch with the BCM is that if you use the (very welcome) bag drop option, you do have to get back to the finish to collect your bag of smelly and slightly damp clothes.  I've never asked Blacksheep what he does with bags whose riders come in after the cut-off. 

This year, I will be happy to see Harlech in daylight and go easy for the rest of the ride!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 10 May, 2012, 12:00:00 am
"If you can do the Brevet Cymru you can do the Bryan Chapman".
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: bikey-mikey on 10 May, 2012, 12:47:43 am
"If you can do the Brevet Cymru you can do the Bryan Chapman".

You mean "if you can do the BC you can do the BC"  ???
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: mattc on 10 May, 2012, 09:07:05 am
... which is why wise men (like Blacksheep) tend to refer to the latter as the BCM (Bryan Chapman Memorial) or BC6, whenever confusion may arise.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: aidan.f on 10 May, 2012, 11:03:45 am
anyone traveeling  from N England (or  on the way) for this event? I'm looking  at  possible transport arrangements...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: GrandMaster Flash on 10 May, 2012, 11:48:30 am
The HardBoiled used to have a Secret control at exactly 300K as, apparantly , someone passed 300K within BRM time but was out of time at the Arrivee (~310K).  So long as you got to the secret within time the organiser submitted your card for validation.  I have no idea how 'legal' this was but it clearly worked for some people - or the Organiser was making a point.  It could well be the latter :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Ray 6701 on 10 May, 2012, 12:28:59 pm
Just ordered a new tub of chamois creme & a waterproof jacket  :-\
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 10 May, 2012, 12:33:20 pm
The HardBoiled used to have a Secret control at exactly 300K as, apparantly , someone passed 300K within BRM time but was out of time at the Arrivee (~310K).  So long as you got to the secret within time the organiser submitted your card for validation.  I have no idea how 'legal' this was but it clearly worked for some people - or the Organiser was making a point.  It could well be the latter :)

Probably not very "legal" , and apparently the same was true of the BCM - although this pre-dates my event running and the previous organiser.

I've been told by numerous cyclists that someone intercepted cyclists in the Wye Valley, stating that "Their ride was now over". A bit worrying for numerous reasons:-
1) I'm not all that convinced that the BCM actually went down the Wye Valley in the year in question. But probably went south from Hereford, and through the Forest of Dean (now there's a killer finish).
2) If it had, there would have been many pleasure cyclists 'ambushed', and given the news that "Their ride was now over" is a bit of a shock - a bit to 'Cosa Nostra' for most tastes.
3) There's not a lot of room on the road in question, to stop cyclists and start faffing-about, the aleged finish would have been between Redbrook and Bigsweir bridge.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: SR Steve on 10 May, 2012, 09:42:34 pm
In 1987 the Trans Wales 600 was officially 623km and the organiser applied a fiddle factor of 600/623 to the overall times, allowing some riders to qualify for the PBP who would not otherwise have done so. My girlfriend at the time qualified in this way after failing on the Seething 600 and Windsor Chester Windsor 600. Her suffering during the Trans Wales 600 put her off entering the PBP or any further 600s for that matter!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feanor on 10 May, 2012, 09:53:36 pm
Just browsing through some random GPX file off the Electric Internet, I see there is a couple of K to be chopped in Monmouth, by ignoring the route-sheet's dog-leg up to the roundabout and back down the A40.  Just carry directly on through the town to the bridge.

You'll need to dismount for 100m or so, and become a pedestrian due to a one-way street at Wyebridge Street.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: STMS on 10 May, 2012, 10:01:49 pm
Just browsing through some random GPX file off the Electric Internet, I see there is a couple of K to be chopped in Monmouth, by ignoring the route-sheet's dog-leg up to the roundabout and back down the A40.  Just carry directly on through the town to the bridge.

You'll need to dismount for 100m or so, and become a pedestrian due to a one-way street at Wyebridge Street.


Unless you get lost on the short cut, off course.  ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Redlight on 10 May, 2012, 10:22:04 pm
Just browsing through some random GPX file off the Electric Internet, I see there is a couple of K to be chopped in Monmouth, by ignoring the route-sheet's dog-leg up to the roundabout and back down the A40.  Just carry directly on through the town to the bridge.

You'll need to dismount for 100m or so, and become a pedestrian due to a one-way street at Wyebridge Street.

IIRC, there is a quick route under the A40 via a pedestrian underpass - which Mr Blacksheep kindly mentions in his route notes :-)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: STMS on 10 May, 2012, 11:05:43 pm
Just browsing through some random GPX file off the Electric Internet, I see there is a couple of K to be chopped in Monmouth, by ignoring the route-sheet's dog-leg up to the roundabout and back down the A40.  Just carry directly on through the town to the bridge.

You'll need to dismount for 100m or so, and become a pedestrian due to a one-way street at Wyebridge Street.

IIRC, there is a quick route under the A40 via a pedestrian underpass - which Mr Blacksheep kindly mentions in his route notes :-)

Yup, that's the one i got lost on.

One thing i also learn't is don't enjoy the climb from Newtown too much that you miss the turn with the sign in the hedge
. I added a 15KM round trip. I managed 50 minutes off the bike on day 2, that included 5 mins sat in stinging nettles when i fell in a ditch and was trapped under the bike  ;D .
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Euan Uzami on 10 May, 2012, 11:06:17 pm
Just browsing through some random GPX file off the Electric Internet, I see there is a couple of K to be chopped in Monmouth, by ignoring the route-sheet's dog-leg up to the roundabout and back down the A40.  Just carry directly on through the town to the bridge.

You'll need to dismount for 100m or so, and become a pedestrian due to a one-way street at Wyebridge Street.
I've also noticed that the A466 isn't the shortest route from monmouth to chepstow.
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=monmouth&daddr=chepstow&hl=en&geocode=FcSmFgMde5TW_ynPYFtKKLZxSDG3SFhGG2DE2A%3B&aq=&sll=51.816132,-2.714501&sspn=0.057622,0.169086&vpsrc=0&mra=ls&ie=UTF8&t=m&z=11
Save at least 2 miles by going the lany route. Probably hillier, mind. And lanier.
N.B. disclaimer: the above is not a recommendation!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: NikW on 11 May, 2012, 08:31:23 am
The HardBoiled used to have a Secret control at exactly 300K as, apparantly , someone passed 300K within BRM time but was out of time at the Arrivee (~310K).  So long as you got to the secret within time the organiser submitted your card for validation.  I have no idea how 'legal' this was but it clearly worked for some people - or the Organiser was making a point.  It could well be the latter :)

Probably not very "legal" , and apparently the same was true of the BCM - although this pre-dates my event running and the previous organiser.

I've been told by numerous cyclists that someone intercepted cyclists in the Wye Valley, stating that "Their ride was now over". A bit worrying for numerous reasons:-
1) I'm not all that convinced that the BCM actually went down the Wye Valley in the year in question. But probably went south from Hereford, and through the Forest of Dean (now there's a killer finish).
2) If it had, there would have been many pleasure cyclists 'ambushed', and given the news that "Their ride was now over" is a bit of a shock - a bit to 'Cosa Nostra' for most tastes.
3) There's not a lot of room on the road in question, to stop cyclists and start faffing-about, the aleged finish would have been between Redbrook and Bigsweir bridge.

In 1999 I seem to remember we returned from Ross via the St Briavels road and the 600k 'finish' was somewhere along there. It was only (wo)maned from around 21:00 Sunday so just served those who were likely to be outside the BRM time on the card when they reached Chepstow. It was a bit of a surprise even though it seemed to be understood that anyone completing the 600k within 40 hours could expect validation as a PBP qualifier. It was my first 600 and I wasn't riding it as a qualifier so all very puzzling to a knackered brain, it seemed perfectly safe though.

I don't think it was regarded as acceptable to take shortcuts from the routesheet then and anyway much harder without GPS on the bike. The field would have been half the size then and putting riders off by making qualifying unreasonably difficult might have made the Bryan Chapman uneconomic. What seems a bit arbitrary now made a lot sense at the time.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feanor on 11 May, 2012, 09:23:08 am
IIRC, there is a quick route under the A40 via a pedestrian underpass - which Mr Blacksheep kindly mentions in his route notes :-)

Hmm, not on my english-language version of the routesheet!
Is there a seperate sheet of notes I'm missing?

I've also noticed that the A466 isn't the shortest route from monmouth to chepstow.

Is there perhaps a SEEKRIT routesheet encrypted in Welsh containing the proper route, and outsiders get the english-language version which takes us on odd little detours just for teh lolz  :)

I can see right through this little ploy.  Oh, yes.
No-one can pull the (black) wool over my eyes. Oh no.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 11 May, 2012, 09:38:58 am
IIRC, there is a quick route under the A40 via a pedestrian underpass - which Mr Blacksheep kindly mentions in his route notes :-)

Hmm, not on my english-language version of the routesheet!
Is there a seperate sheet of notes I'm missing?

I've also noticed that the A466 isn't the shortest route from monmouth to chepstow.

Is there perhaps a SEEKRIT routesheet encrypted in Welsh containing the proper route, and outsiders get the english-language version which takes us on odd little detours just for teh lolz  :)

I can see right through this little ploy.  Oh, yes.
No-one can pull the (black) wool over my eyes. Oh no.

I'm in th eprocess of drafting a post to entrants, which will show the 1km short cut, as to the other shorter bit through Trellech - I can assure you, it'll be the last thing on you mind when you get to Monmouth.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Chris N on 11 May, 2012, 09:41:00 am
There are loads of opportunities to shorten the route if you look for them.  Here (http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=262267&Y=347158&A=Y&Z=120), here (http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=289279&Y=311988&A=Y&Z=120), here (http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=274906&Y=317523&A=Y&Z=120) and here (http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=271343&Y=283438&A=Y&Z=120) would be good places to start. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: mattc on 11 May, 2012, 10:31:33 am
There are loads of opportunities to shorten the route if you look for them.  Here (http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=262267&Y=347158&A=Y&Z=120), here (http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=289279&Y=311988&A=Y&Z=120), here (http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=274906&Y=317523&A=Y&Z=120) and here (http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=271343&Y=283438&A=Y&Z=120) would be good places to start. :thumbsup:

"here (http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=274906&Y=317523&A=Y&Z=120) and "
Doesn't look too bad heading North (well, NW - whaddeva). The chevrons are at least pointing in the helpful direction! Looks pretty. Anyone care to comment?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: vorsprung on 11 May, 2012, 10:36:27 am

I've also noticed that the A466 isn't the shortest route from monmouth to chepstow.

Is there perhaps a SEEKRIT routesheet encrypted in Welsh containing the proper route, and outsiders get the english-language version which takes us on odd little detours just for teh lolz  :)

I can see right through this little ploy.  Oh, yes.
No-one can pull the (black) wool over my eyes. Oh no.

As ChrisN points out there are places where you can take a shorter or different route.
But is it the best route?

I tend to do the "classic" route except at Llyswen on the way to Builth, where the back road is nicer

And on the way back do the straight on at Old Forge, L@T, 1st R to avoid the mud bath 25% gravel fest

And the underpass "short cut"

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 11 May, 2012, 10:37:57 am
There is no way that is 25%, I got up it on 71".
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Euan Uzami on 11 May, 2012, 10:41:42 am
There are loads of opportunities to shorten the route if you look for them.  Here (http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=262267&Y=347158&A=Y&Z=120), here (http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=289279&Y=311988&A=Y&Z=120), here (http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=274906&Y=317523&A=Y&Z=120) and here (http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=271343&Y=283438&A=Y&Z=120) would be good places to start. :thumbsup:

"here (http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=274906&Y=317523&A=Y&Z=120) and "
Doesn't look too bad heading North (well, NW - whaddeva). The chevrons are at least pointing in the helpful direction! Looks pretty. Anyone care to comment?

iirc it's part of the scenic route. It is pretty, but since it's narrow/worse surface/more technical you're on the brakes pretty much most of the way down whereas down the 470 you can just scream down at max speed. In other words, since you've got lots of altitude to lose in that section the extra distance of the official route hardly slows you down at all.

here (http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=289279&Y=311988&A=Y&Z=120) also part of the scenic and iirc from 2010 a very nice road. Rolling and very pretty.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Chris S on 11 May, 2012, 10:43:52 am
There's nothing quite like the irony of a bunch of long distance cyclists discussing how to shave a kilometer off here, a few hundred meters off there...  :D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: mattc on 11 May, 2012, 10:47:50 am
here (http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=289279&Y=311988&A=Y&Z=120) also part of the scenic and iirc from 2010 a very nice road. Rolling and very pretty.
It may be pretty, but has at least 2 chevrons in either direction!


There's nothing quite like the irony of a bunch of long distance cyclists discussing how to shave a kilometer off here, a few hundred meters off there...  :D
I think riders moaning about 'over-distance' must be on the list ...  ::-)


As ChrisN points out there are places where you can take a shorter or different route.
But is it the best route?

I tend to do the "classic" route except at  ...
With these well-tested and widely praised events I always stick to the routesheet as PlanA. The organiser is very likely to know better than me (unless I have local knowledge). If I've already done the ride once I'm more keen to try out a few new roads, new views, new ways of getting lost ...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: vorsprung on 11 May, 2012, 10:50:36 am
There is no way that is 25%, I got up it on 71".

Yeah you are right, bikehike says less than 15%
It's still covered in mud and loose stuff and seems like a sharp hill
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 11 May, 2012, 10:52:56 am
There's nothing quite like the irony of a bunch of long distance cyclists discussing how to shave a kilometer off here, a few hundred meters off there...  :D

The inverse of a Larrington Maneuver (less distance, more climbing). As if there wasn't enough.


Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Euan Uzami on 11 May, 2012, 10:53:51 am
I've just discovered you can shave a whole 11km off by going through presteigne. Tough climb out of knighton though
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: mattc on 11 May, 2012, 11:02:56 am
I've just discovered you can shave a whole 11km off by going through presteigne. Tough climb out of knighton though
Must admit I had actually considered that! It's not too steep (just long), with great views as you top Offa's Dyke. [It was on our 400 - we did it around dusk, so would be nice to see earlier in the day.]  Is it as much as 11km? Certainly a few.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Euan Uzami on 11 May, 2012, 11:12:32 am
I've just discovered you can shave a whole 11km off by going through presteigne. Tough climb out of knighton though
Must admit I had actually considered that! It's not too steep (just long), with great views as you top Offa's Dyke. [It was on our 400 - we did it around dusk, so would be nice to see earlier in the day.]  Is it as much as 11km? Certainly a few.

shame that the delightful looking farrington lane (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Llanshay+Lane,+Knighton&aq=0&oq=llanshay+lane&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=15.529611,47.373047&vpsrc=6&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Llanshay+Lane,+Knighton,+United+Kingdom&ll=52.336598,-3.035617&spn=0.007106,0.046263&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=52.336721,-3.035715&panoid=6rZ35j3jdCfVsJVaWaacFA&cbp=12,156.46,,0,16.86) turns to moonscape about half way (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Llanshay+Lane,+Knighton&aq=0&oq=llanshay+lane&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=15.529611,47.373047&vpsrc=6&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Llanshay+Lane,+Knighton,+United+Kingdom&ll=52.329022,-3.03334&spn=0.015762,0.046263&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=52.329022,-3.03334&panoid=2drxB7HNrWA9d7Dxy-ixQA&cbp=12,131.16,,0,6.09).

official route (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=aberhafesp&daddr=A4113+to:weobley&hl=en&geocode=FbxrIQMdDIjM_ylR3ZQvVfpvSDHqoNA4I5ovBw%3BFTbFHgMdZ5PS_w%3BFUngGwMdxxDU_ylXJ4jIBzpwSDGBYyC1gawrow&aq=&sll=52.250505,-2.887344&sspn=0.250961,0.740204&vpsrc=0&dirflg=w&doflg=ptk&mra=luc&via=1&ie=UTF8&t=m&z=11) 73km
alternative (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=aberhafesp&daddr=52.34027,-3.04466+to:52.3126105,-3.0413816+to:weobley&hl=en&geocode=FbxrIQMdDIjM_ylR3ZQvVfpvSDHqoNA4I5ovBw%3BFS6mHgMdzIrR_ykHhJ5jjBhwSDEeFx_3C2R1Jw%3BFSI6HgMdm5fR_ylPu5ZXeyJwSDFaKyqbscI8sg%3BFUngGwMdxxDU_ylXJ4jIBzpwSDGBYyC1gawrow&aq=&sll=52.356522,-2.975235&sspn=0.125181,0.370102&vpsrc=6&dirflg=w&doflg=ptk&mra=dpe&mrsp=2&sz=12&via=1,2&ie=UTF8&ll=52.327786,-2.962189&spn=0.501045,1.480408&t=m&z=10) 68km. ok then not quite 11, sorry maybe 5km. The 11km came from drag-editing the whole route to reroute that section dropped from 623 to 612, which means the other 6km must have come from somewhere else.

edit: oh, sorry i've got that wrong, the official route's more like this (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=aberhafesp&daddr=52.502397,-3.3218071+to:52.49692,-3.33293+to:52.3482144,-2.9769208+to:weobley&geocode=FbxrIQMdDIjM_ylR3ZQvVfpvSDHqoNA4I5ovBw%3BFX0fIQMdMVDN_ymVxbamXvtvSDEPwjNEShmQ2g%3BFRgKIQMdviTN_yl_Oz0QRftvSDHkRMJphiHjxA%3BFTbFHgMdaJPS_yk7xpJ4jRdwSDHTSv37NaDEhw%3BFUngGwMdxxDU_ylXJ4jIBzpwSDGBYyC1gawrow&sll=52.486021,-3.257961&sspn=0.062407,0.185051&vpsrc=6&hl=en&dirflg=w&doflg=ptk&mra=dpe&mrsp=1&sz=13&via=1,2,3&ie=UTF8&ll=52.229482,-2.916183&spn=0.25108,0.740204&t=m&z=11) isn't it... so more like 77km - a lot of the savings are before knighton but which probably involve a lot of laney descending (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=aberhafesp&daddr=52.32592,-3.04841+to:weobley&hl=en&geocode=FbxrIQMdDIjM_ylR3ZQvVfpvSDHqoNA4I5ovBw%3BFSBuHgMdJnzR_ymTkbd6gxhwSDHB9Z3CI4sNEw%3BFUngGwMdxxDU_ylXJ4jIBzpwSDGBYyC1gawrow&aq=&sll=52.440525,-3.122864&sspn=0.249884,0.740204&vpsrc=6&dirflg=w&doflg=ptk&mra=mrv&via=1&ie=UTF8&ll=52.406559,-3.155629&spn=0.062519,0.185051&t=m&z=13&layer=c&cbll=52.406559,-3.155629&panoid=b51NsUf9zNPf7CzOuHIpBA&cbp=12,150.36,,0,-1) so again maybe no faster. but it depends if saving time is your only goal...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Chris N on 11 May, 2012, 11:29:15 am
"here (http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=274906&Y=317523&A=Y&Z=120) and "
Doesn't look too bad heading North (well, NW - whaddeva). The chevrons are at least pointing in the helpful direction! Looks pretty. Anyone care to comment?

It's a lovely way to warm up on Sunday morning.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 11 May, 2012, 11:51:44 am
Honestly guys, I'd concenrate on the route, the alternatives are either next to impossible (considering you maybe in the dark) - in which case they're down-right dangerous; alternatives that were on the Scenic (and thse riders invariably took the long cut), the road maybe no more than alane and this probably means poor condition - grit, grass-up-the-middle & wash-off. Or were on a 604 route - that was offered in 2005, only 6 riders took that event - and I saw all of them on the Classic route where the going got tough.

Should the need arise, I'm not sure how I'd fill out an accident report sheet for riders knowingly off-piste.

There are lots of other places to save a few metres, but all are invariably slower, the "Classic" route is the fastest of all the BCMs. And as I seem to recall - it was only a couple of days ago folk were commenting on the possiblity of DNFing due to the lack of time  ::-) .

A couple of years ago (following his Scenic completion) I was talking to Chrisn at arrivee, and was toying with a 'Chris Narborough' version,  :demon: but it was rather a difficult route - in terms of terrain and navigation. And some of the surfaces less than satisfactory, even the CR that drops you down to the back of Dolgellau is not really FFP.

On Saturday, keep an eye out for those riders joining and leaving the A470 between Machynlleth and Corris. There's a lane that must save a whole 1km  :smug: . Thats 1.5km saved in distance  :smug: :smug: , but and extra 500m in altitude  :o

What I do find rather amusing is, the most batant short-cut hasn't been mentioned - perhaps because it puts a good hour onto the ride, and if the weather changes for the worse - game over. What's that telling?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Chris N on 11 May, 2012, 12:09:16 pm
A couple of years ago (following his Scenic completion) I was talking to Chrisn at arrivee, and was toying with a 'Chris Narborough' version,  :demon: but it was rather a difficult route - in terms of terrain and navigation. And some of the surfaces less than satisfactory, even the CR that drops you down to the back of Dolgellau is not really FFP.

I might ride it anyway, just for fun. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: arvid on 11 May, 2012, 12:14:55 pm
Quote from: BlackSheep
Firstly, for me to supply you with some GPX files, there are four. 201105014c1, 20110514c2, 20110514c3 & 20110514cc. The 1, 2, 3 subscripts denote the part of the ride. The C file is the complete ride on one file, the last file maybe too much for many units.
 
I will try to create track files for each stage of the ride - and will do my best to get them to you asap.
 
No doubt some of you will be busying yourselves, creating your own - great. And (no doubt) there will be some of you using files supplied by others or downloaded from the WWW. For obvious reasons, you use these at your own risk, and I do not accept responsibility for these files.

I created tracks by drawing over the routes in the GPX files, and added the controls as Waypoints: GPX (http://twentsebrevetten.nl/tracks/BCM20110514ccArvid.gpx)  GDB  (http://twentsebrevetten.nl/tracks/BCM20110514ccArvid.gdb)
All the original routes are included.
The tracks are a bit rough since I need to use as few tracks as possible because my GPS also needs to contain the rest of my cycling holiday. The tracks are divided so that it is possible to use different colors for out and back.

I noticed an oddity in the routes supplied near Deiniolen, between km 301 and 306 in the routesheet. It goes off from the A4244. First I thought it was a control, but it's only about 10km before the Menai Bridge control.
I left this oddity out my tracks.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feline on 11 May, 2012, 12:17:46 pm
I plan to follow the same route as Simon. Things tend to go badly when I don't.
This is assuming I can shake this damn cough I got from the BC400!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 11 May, 2012, 12:33:32 pm
I plan to follow the same route as Simon. Things tend to go badly when I don't.
This is assuming I can shake this damn cough I got from the BC400!

I've never deviated on this route and have no plans to start now! GWS!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 11 May, 2012, 12:48:04 pm
Quote from: BlackSheep



Wasn't really a quote, more a PM away from this forum.

But yes you're correct, and if I told you why it got on here you wouldn't beleive me.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Jasmine on 11 May, 2012, 01:00:25 pm
Near Deniolen?  You didn't decide to ride up Marchlyn Mawr did you?  Apparently there's a lovely view at the top, but I've only ever ridden up there in the rain.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Nuncio on 11 May, 2012, 01:27:16 pm
Just out of interest. Does anyone have any idea of how many cyclists over the past decade have claimed the BR when the event was a BRM event?

As no-one else is playing can I start the bidding at 4?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 11 May, 2012, 01:47:59 pm
Just out of interest. Does anyone have any idea of how many cyclists over the past decade have claimed the BR when the event was a BRM event?

As no-one else is playing can I start the bidding at 4?

Well, as Roy Walker would say. "You're saying 4 Nuncio, It's good --but it's not the right answer".

But there again Roy said that, even when the answer wasn't even in the ball-park.

Let's have another go, and buzz when yu think you've got the right answer.

Remember in that time there have been 831 finishers
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 11 May, 2012, 01:56:36 pm
When I got back to Dolgellau in 2007 after having felt very unwell at Menai Bridge, Blacksheep was leaving with a full car. We'd decided to pack at Menai but there was nowhere to stay. We were still inside BR time but the only reason to ride for me was as a qualifier so we waited for a train. Which was very slow. That was the scenic route plus other factors already mentioned.

On other occasions the over distance has never been and issue and no 600 has been completed faster than my slowest BCM600.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 11 May, 2012, 02:12:32 pm
Near Deniolen?  You didn't decide to ride up Marchlyn Mawr did you?  Apparently there's a lovely view at the top, but I've only ever ridden up there in the rain.

An ex-work colleague moved to Dinorwig, so I thought it clever to pay him and his wife a visit.  Yep, you geussed - they were out.  :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: zigzag on 11 May, 2012, 02:52:12 pm
the most recent email from BlackSheep talks about the scenic route and y2004 riders. i believe there is no scenic route organised this year. all i'd need to know if the route/controls changed in any way from last years' (to save me couple of hours checking gpx file)? many thanks!!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 11 May, 2012, 02:59:07 pm
the most recent email from BlackSheep talks about the scenic route and y2004 riders. i believe there is no scenic route organised this year. all i'd need to know if the route/controls changed in any way from last years' (to save me couple of hours checking gpx file)? many thanks!!

If you read carefully, the email mentions to ignore the notes about the Scenic route.

I /think/ as far as controls go the only change is that rather than there being two control options at the end of the second leg, the only one listed is the visitor centre. So only minor tweaking needed?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Euan Uzami on 11 May, 2012, 03:22:17 pm
Just out of interest. Does anyone have any idea of how many cyclists over the past decade have claimed the BR when the event was a BRM event?

As no-one else is playing can I start the bidding at 4?

Well, as Roy Walker would say. "You're saying 4 Nuncio, It's good --but it's not the right answer".

But there again Roy said that, even when the answer wasn't even in the ball-park.

Let's have another go, and buzz when yu think you've got the right answer.

Remember in that time there have been 831 finishers

Buzz... None? Got to be worth a guess...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Somnolent on 11 May, 2012, 03:47:44 pm
I'll guess 2
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: NikW on 11 May, 2012, 03:57:53 pm
I'll guess 2

I've got 1 of them, I don't think I was last that year but then again ....
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: jogler on 11 May, 2012, 04:53:16 pm
I plan to follow the same route as Simon. Things tend to go badly when I don't.


the pro's & con's of using a tandem ;)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 11 May, 2012, 07:12:46 pm
Buzz... None? Got to be worth a guess...

Well, as Roy Walker would say. "You're saying none Ben T, It's good --but it's not the right answer".

Let's have another go, and buzz when you think you've got the right answer.

Remember in that time there have been 831 finishers
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: mattc on 11 May, 2012, 07:47:07 pm
831?

</Alan Davies>
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Heaney on 11 May, 2012, 07:55:03 pm


Just out of interest. Does anyone have any idea of how many cyclists over the past decade have claimed the BR when the event was a BRM event?

I don't know but I know I'm one of them, I finished in 40h10m the first time I did this ride.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feanor on 11 May, 2012, 07:55:15 pm
This is going to take a long time...
How about a higher / lower response, so we can at least do a binary search?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 11 May, 2012, 08:59:06 pm
Well I hate to dissappoint you gentlemen, but Heaney and Nik W may well have finished out side BRM time, but I'm fairly sure they did this in BR years. So don't qualify.

The answer is less than 10, but more than zero.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: mattc on 12 May, 2012, 07:58:40 am
5

(in the spirit of feanor's binary chop)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 12 May, 2012, 08:51:52 am
5

(in the spirit of feanor's binary chop)

Well, as Roy Walker would say. "You're saying 5 mattc, It's good --but it's not the right answer".

Let's have another go, and buzz when you think you've got the right answer.

Remember in that time there have been 831 finishers
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 12 May, 2012, 10:15:53 am
I think it's 3.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Tewdric on 12 May, 2012, 10:23:57 am
Is it 3?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: mattc on 12 May, 2012, 12:14:04 pm
Is it 3?
Probably not.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 12 May, 2012, 12:37:21 pm
A binary search is only going to help if BlackSheep tells you ‘higher’ or ‘lower’ when you are wrong. With that in mind, I’m going to start with 831 and work downwards.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: mattc on 12 May, 2012, 12:40:50 pm
Oi!
831?

</Alan Davies>
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: NikW on 12 May, 2012, 12:44:49 pm
A binary search is only going to help if BlackSheep tells you ‘higher’ or ‘lower’ when you are wrong. With that in mind, I’m going to start with 831 and work downwards.

Ah but 831 is something you build frames out of surely a red herring if BR years are to be excluded - I'm pretty sure that includes all finishers  ;)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: arvid on 12 May, 2012, 12:47:39 pm
The answer is less than 10, but more than zero.

Assuming this is a binary hint, as suggested earlier, I'll go with "one".
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 12 May, 2012, 03:23:25 pm
I think it's 3.

I still think it's 3.

There was 1 in 2007, and 2 in 2011. I cannot find any others. most of the remaining years, the event was of  BR standard. And the 40 hour requirement didn't exist
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Nuncio on 12 May, 2012, 05:09:10 pm
I think it's 3.

I still think it's 3.

Why aren't you buzzing then?

Is that a distinct 831 riders? I believe some idiots have done it more than once.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 12 May, 2012, 06:57:11 pm
Why aren't you buzzing then?
I think my buzzer is broken,
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Yep I'm pressing, but no Buzzz, but I have changed my mind on something, it's 742 not 831.

Is that a distinct 831 riders? I believe some idiots have done it more than once.
Its a complicated set of rules in AUK, and sometimes end-up-being more catholic than the pope.

So perhaps for clarity, there have been 742 finishers in the past decade, PBP years in BOLD
2000     51
2001     57
--------------------------
2002     22
2003    79
2004     41
2005     58
2006     44
2007  115
2008     74
2009     75
2010   101
2011  133
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Any way up, I can only recall having to "split" the finishers into BR and BRM in any specific BRM year. And that being 1 in 2007, and 2 in 2011.

Other years may have been BRM, but if they were - everyone finished within the 40hrs.

And years that were BR, riders stayed out getting Max VFM, and not coming back until much later.

I think the crux of this is, there's very little evidence that removing the BR fallback on a BRM event. Last year the riders were both about an hour outside the BRM time - which would have equated to spending nine minutes less at every control.

It's the controls that cost you lost time.

Please also remember folks, that this new rule applies to all BRM events. So the effect on (say) a 214km BRM event would be even more pronounced.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Tewdric on 12 May, 2012, 08:54:36 pm
The sad news for lovers of cremated teacakes everywhere is that I might be riding this one.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 13 May, 2012, 01:36:30 pm
I'm now on the sick list, hoping to recover in time.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Chris S on 13 May, 2012, 07:19:04 pm
I'm now on the sick list, hoping to recover in time.

FFS Simon, that's a disaster!

I'm on my lonesome for this one - and I was looking to you guys for a tandem shaped hole in the headwind to tuck in behind.

GWS.

I can't believe we're less than a week away, and nobody is talking up the weather forecast. I assume it's because everyone assumes it'll be crap - at least at some point during the weekend.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 13 May, 2012, 07:24:16 pm
Forecast is changing daily. I think there'll be rain this time. I've never had a 100% dry BCM anyway.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: arvid on 13 May, 2012, 07:48:28 pm
I can hardly find sensible forecasts for tuesday and wednesday, let alone the next weekend...
Although somewhere I saw wind from the SSW for saturday and NE for sunday. That looks sort of beneficial. But what Chris says, any forecast more than a day away is useless because of the uncertainty.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Pingu on 13 May, 2012, 08:03:21 pm
There will be weather.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Chris S on 13 May, 2012, 08:04:18 pm
*digs out rainlegs*

I've never used these since I bought them, oh three years ago. I've had plenty of soakings - including at least five this year. But perhaps Welsh Soakings are different.

*places rainlegs on "perhaps" pile*
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Simonb on 13 May, 2012, 08:15:55 pm
Best you'll get at this range:

Quote
UK forecast - Day 6 to 15

UK Outlook for Friday 18 May 2012 to Sunday 27 May 2012:
Unsettled weather looks set to continue, with outbreaks of rain or showers. It is likely to be largely cloudy at first, with southern parts of the UK perhaps seeing the heaviest rain, and a risk of some thunder and lightning over the first weekend. The risk of snow over northern hills continues. Some drier spells are possible too, particularly across the north into the following week. Thereafter, there is a chance of some drier weather at times across the UK, however outbreaks of rain and showers are still likely to affect most areas. Temperatures are expected to remain below normal for the time of year, with a risk of a grass frost in drier spells, particularly in the north, perhaps increasing to nearer normal towards the end of the period.

Issued at: 1517 on Sun 13 May 2012

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast/?tab=regionalForecast (plug in rhayader for a reasonably close target location)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Polepole on 13 May, 2012, 08:23:19 pm
GWS Simonp and Feline. My daughter is down with a very bad cold at the moment. I am keeping my distance and my fingers crossed.
 On a positive note my bike has had a new chain and the gears performed faultlessly on an undulating ride today, despite my best attempts at dislodging the chain with excessive use of the outer rings. I was told I was very very lucky the chain hadn't broken on the BC. I hope I haven't used up all my good fortune for this month.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: arvid on 13 May, 2012, 08:31:15 pm
Quote
UK forecast - Day 6 to 15

UK Outlook for Friday 18 May 2012 to Sunday 27 May 2012:
Unsettled weather looks set to continue, with outbreaks of rain or showers. It is likely to be largely cloudy at first, with southern parts of the UK perhaps seeing the heaviest rain, and a risk of some thunder and lightning over the first weekend. The risk of snow over northern hills continues. Some drier spells are possible too, particularly across the north into the following week. Thereafter, there is a chance of some drier weather at times across the UK, however outbreaks of rain and showers are still likely to affect most areas. Temperatures are expected to remain below normal for the time of year, with a risk of a grass frost in drier spells, particularly in the north, perhaps increasing to nearer normal towards the end of the period.

There will be weather.

That's the same, isn't it?
Is Snowdonia considered "northern hills"?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Simonb on 13 May, 2012, 08:37:16 pm
Is Snowdonia considered "northern hills"?

Not really. But they're pretty wet.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feline on 13 May, 2012, 08:43:53 pm
GWS Simonp and Feline. My daughter is down with a very bad cold at the moment. I am keeping my distance and my fingers crossed.
 On a positive note my bike has had a new chain and the gears performed faultlessly on an undulating ride today, despite my best attempts at dislodging the chain with excessive use of the outer rings. I was told I was very very lucky the chain hadn't broken on the BC. I hope I haven't used up all my good fortune for this month.

Thanks polepole. I think I've turned the corner and am getting better not worse, but it seems I generously gave it to Simon so he's a few days behind me.

It would be a very good idea to make sure you have a chain tool (some of the better multi-tools have one and come with instructions, such as my Topeak mini 18) and a couple of powerlinks to match the number of cogs in your cassette like these http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=871 in your saddle bag. A broken chain really shouldn't be the end of your ride! They are amazingly simple to use to join a chain even in the wild. Practice breaking an old chain with the tool if you can. If you end up having to shorten and rejoin your chain in an emergency on a ride just be careful to never end up in a big ring-big ring combo that it might not reach around.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Redlight on 14 May, 2012, 02:16:24 pm


It would be a very good idea to make sure you have a chain tool. A broken chain really shouldn't be the end of your ride! They are amazingly simple to use to join a chain even in the wild. Practice breaking an old chain with the tool if you can.

Alternatively, ride with Von Broad and he will flag down a passing mobile blackmsith and arc weld your chain back togther!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: vorsprung on 14 May, 2012, 03:29:30 pm
Is Snowdonia considered "northern hills"?

In Wales, yes.  In the UK generally, no.  They seem to get a lot of rain.

Also the route skirts the edge of the Elan Valley.  This has the water cachement lakes for Birmingham in it.  They put them there for a good reason.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 14 May, 2012, 03:31:38 pm
So there's a good head?  ???
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: aidan.f on 14 May, 2012, 04:27:25 pm
Quote
It would be a very good idea to make sure you have a chain tool. A broken chain really shouldn't be the end of your ride! They are amazingly simple to use to join a chain even in the wild. Practice breaking an old chain with the tool if you can.
Not  suitable  for joining  modern chains, (9/10/11 speed) use the  tool to remove any broken bits and fit a power link.
I know somone will now say 'yes you can' - well you can, but it's very difficult to drive the peined pins through and you weaken the side-plates.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: mattc on 14 May, 2012, 04:36:24 pm
That's probably why Feline recommended the powerlinks:

It would be a very good idea to make sure you have a chain tool (some of the better multi-tools have one and come with instructions, such as my Topeak mini 18) and a couple of powerlinks to match the number of cogs in your cassette like these http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=871 in your saddle bag. A broken chain really shouldn't be the end of your ride! They are amazingly simple to use to join a chain even in the wild. Practice breaking an old chain with the tool if you can. If you end up having to shorten and rejoin your chain in an emergency on a ride just be careful to never end up in a big ring-big ring combo that it might not reach around.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 14 May, 2012, 05:23:13 pm
Quote
It would be a very good idea to make sure you have a chain tool. A broken chain really shouldn't be the end of your ride! They are amazingly simple to use to join a chain even in the wild. Practice breaking an old chain with the tool if you can.
Not  suitable  for joining  modern chains, (9/10/11 speed) use the  tool to remove any broken bits and fit a power link.
I know somone will now say 'yes you can' - well you can, but it's very difficult to drive the peined pins through and you weaken the side-plates.

That's a stunning bit of selective editing!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Von Broad on 14 May, 2012, 07:09:46 pm
Quote
It would be a very good idea to make sure you have a chain tool. A broken chain really shouldn't be the end of your ride! They are amazingly simple to use to join a chain even in the wild. Practice breaking an old chain with the tool if you can.
Not  suitable  for joining  modern chains, (9/10/11 speed) use the  tool to remove any broken bits and fit a power link.
I know somone will now say 'yes you can' - well you can, but it's very difficult to drive the peined pins through and you weaken the side-plates.

Indeed.

I learnt my lesson of the Ellenith several years back. Riding a SWB recumbent, a person gets used to linking chains together. Well, on that particular ride my chain snapped 3 times. I'd done a not excessive amount of miles up until that point, but not without significance, and only dawning on me a few days later, I had joined each of the 2 & 1/2 chains with a chain tool. As the Americans say - go figure!

Started using power links and no more problems.

Essential items = chain tool and the appropriate chain links for your particular chain speed.


Not riding the BCM this year. I think I've been called back to the Dark Side as far as riding Audax goes, and judging by the 160km I rode yesterday [first in three years], much rehearsing is in order. But boy, that entry extension had me tempted for a while there.

And I'm going to ask Mark [even though I know it's not fitting for him to answer  :))] if he is handing the ride over to anybody else, or not?

Hope everybody has a good ride. And may the rain clouds continue on over to the Midlands.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Somnolent on 15 May, 2012, 12:56:34 pm

Not riding the BCM this year. I think I've been called back to the Dark Side as far as riding Audax goes, and judging by the 160km I rode yesterday [first in three years], much rehearsing is in order. But boy, that entry extension had me tempted for a while there.

And I'm going to ask Mark [even though I know it's not fitting for him to answer  :))] if he is handing the ride over to anybody else, or not?

Hope everybody has a good ride. And may the rain clouds continue on over to the Midlands.

Shame you won't be there.   It was your ride report last year that inspired me to up the mileages and enter this year's.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: vorsprung on 15 May, 2012, 02:04:07 pm
The "long range" weather (ie the highly inaccurate) predictions are just starting to appear

First impressions are for a fairly typical Bryan Chapman, bit of everything
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Doo on 15 May, 2012, 02:39:01 pm
If the North wind blows there will be snow!  :smug:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Altitude Accumulator on 15 May, 2012, 03:28:32 pm
snowing in bristol now at 15.20hrs
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Redlight on 15 May, 2012, 04:12:27 pm
sunny in London - but we've had hail and thunder so far this afternoon
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Redlight on 15 May, 2012, 04:18:59 pm
and now it's pi--ing down again...

A bit of everything in the saddlebag, me thinks
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 15 May, 2012, 06:18:33 pm
Thanks polepole. I think I've turned the corner and am getting better not worse, but it seems I generously gave it to Simon so he's a few days behind me.

I seem to have improved a lot since yesterday. I expect I'll be ok to ride.

Edit: and was 68.4kg as of this morning - weight target achieved, nearly!

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: trumpet on 15 May, 2012, 09:08:37 pm
Does anyone know whether we can leave items not required for the ride at the Community centre?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Chris S on 15 May, 2012, 09:11:15 pm
Does anyone know whether we can leave items not required for the ride at the Community centre?

Yup - leave whatever you like. The more the merrier. Blacksheep holds a jumble sale during the day on Saturday, and flogs all our stuff.

By the time we get back - we're too tired to care about, or even remember our stuff - so it's no problem.

...

In truth - I don't know. I've never ridden this event before. Some people leave their cars behind...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Redlight on 15 May, 2012, 09:51:13 pm
I'm out, sorry to say. A work project is going horribly wrong and the buck stops with me so I can't afford to take time off around the weekend. 

 >:( >:( >:(

..all of which means there is a room at the Severn View Travelodge available on Friday and Sunday night if anyone wants to take it. I think (and will check) I paid about £30 a night.  PM me if interested. FCFS.  Now taken
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 15 May, 2012, 10:13:06 pm
Just got back home, I'm totally Donald.

'Tis either because 'I was in Menai Bridge less than 21 hours ago, or I was helping 3Peaker on his event on Sunday.

Traffic lights, this year it's traffic lights.

Good night
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Simonb on 15 May, 2012, 11:11:27 pm
Weather's looking fairly benign now I've ordered a nice new winter jacket on Wiggle.

You can thank me on Saturday.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 16 May, 2012, 12:15:24 am
Does anyone know whether we can leave items not required for the ride at the Community centre?

Yup - leave whatever you like. The more the merrier. Blacksheep holds a jumble sale during the day on Saturday, and flogs all our stuff.

By the time we get back - we're too tired to care about, or even remember our stuff - so it's no problem.

...

In truth - I don't know. I've never ridden this event before. Some people leave their cars behind...

You could try reading the calendar page.

Hint: L is for luggage, so yes.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: hellymedic on 16 May, 2012, 12:20:23 am
YRTFM when u cn ask YACF?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: mattc on 16 May, 2012, 09:09:49 am
Just got back home, I'm totally Donald.

'Tis either because 'I was in Menai Bridge less than 21 hours ago, or I was helping 3Peaker on his event on Sunday.

Traffic lights, this year it's traffic lights.

Good night
Do I sense a last-minute routesheet advisory note? You spoil us, your excellency  ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: scottlington on 16 May, 2012, 11:39:45 am
DNS for me. In fact, DNS on audaxing full stop for now. Pretty much. Last year - rubbish. This year - one 200 and one 100 I think. Way too much going on to be able to fit in Audaxing.... not happy but hey ho, still young and plenty more cycling years left in me  :thumbsup:

This also means I shall be DNSing the Mille Alba (very annoyingly....)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 16 May, 2012, 02:13:57 pm
Do I sense a last-minute routesheet advisory note? You spoil us, your excellency  ;D

I think you (the rider's) should all be OK - no route changes required, well probably one for the sensible. but none for those that have little regard for their (and others) safety.

Some of the traffic lights are 50 meters long, and others c-o-n-s-i-d-e-r-a-b-l-y   l-o-n-g-e-r. Probably the worst set being at Furnace (about midway on section 3), I thought OMG when I saw a sign warning of waits of 10 minutes "at this point", then a 5 minute one a distance up the road. Rather unfortunately the "common strip of road being used is the nearside, so there's nowhere to escape to if cyclists get caught by lights changing.

Obviously entrants will get a PM, but for those that can't wait - read on.

On Stage Two,
Shortly after the Bronllys control, LONG TLs, offside road surface being replaced section length 400m.
On the A44 a few miles after Llangurig, not too long - able to pass through without incident.

On Stage Three.
Long road repair stretch at Furnace, probably up to 1km.
More lights as you drop out of Upper Corris down towards Tal-y-LLin Public House.

On Stage Four.
Shortly after leaving Kings YHA, on main road to Arthog - you can see the other end of the works.
After Harlech - a long stretch where the n/s is being worked on.
Before Bedgellert - a fairly long stretch of th n/s being worked on. Obviously these will be the opposite way around on the reverse route.
More lights on the climb out of Bedgellert towards the PH. Fairly long, the road is narrow and winding. It was dark when I was there, so no real idea of the length.

On Stage Five.
Obviously the set mentioned above.
About mid-way up the climb towards Trawsfynned, Work on th n/s Carraigeway, toatal length affected - 200 - 300m
And on the same stretch of road shortly before the roundabout and the road rises up prob 150m.

There were quite a few other sets, but these were so short, they're not really worth a mention.

There'a new stretch of road before Newbridge-on-Wye. This is completely new, it's very wide and very straight. I decided to follow the old road - at the earliest opotunity. The reason being simple - big road, straight = traffic going big speeds. The old road was completey deserted - and was resurfaced a couple of years ago.

There's considerable road/traffic dissruption between Cross Foxes and Dolgellau. On Stage3 I dont think there's much of an issue, as you're going downhill - and just part of the flow.

But on Stage 6 when cyclists are climbing up to Cross foxes, this is a major headache. Sure, cyclists can take the atitude that they're merely riding their bikes up a road, but the road is down to a single-width, and this road is used by a lot of traffic - HGVs particularly early on any morning even Sunday. I've no idea if the contractors have requested that the road is closed to abnormally slow road users, I didn't see any signs, but I was going the other way at a great rate of knots. But the the local authorities have issued a "No HGV" closure to the road works shortly after Bronllys - and are actively enforceing it.

There is an alternative, I used it, and the cyclists on the "Scenic" route used it in the past. I will issue this to riders so they can make their own minds-up. The alternative is probably quicker, and it gives a lovely view of the road heading for Newtown - so your next few miles aren't such a surprise.

Other than these slight headaches, nothing major to report, and of course some of these features listed above maybe cleared by the w/e.

Chairs.
Mark.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: mattc on 16 May, 2012, 03:24:41 pm
There'a new stretch of road before Newbridge-on-Wye. This is completely new, it's very wide and very straight. I decided to follow the old road - at the earliest opotunity. The reason being simple - big road, straight = traffic going big speeds. The old road was completey deserted - and was resurfaced a couple of years ago.

Is that just after Builth Wells (northbound)? If so I think it starts here:
http://g.co/maps/he4q8

It looks like Google MAPS knows about the new and old roads, but satellite/streetview only show the old road. So it looks like we should keep right to stay on the old road?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 16 May, 2012, 04:04:53 pm
There'a new stretch of road before Newbridge-on-Wye. This is completely new, it's very wide and very straight. I decided to follow the old road - at the earliest opotunity. The reason being simple - big road, straight = traffic going big speeds. The old road was completey deserted - and was resurfaced a couple of years ago.

Is that just after Builth Wells (northbound)? If so I think it starts here:
http://g.co/maps/he4q8

It looks like Google MAPS knows about the new and old roads, but satellite/streetview only show the old road. So it looks like we should keep right to stay on the old road?

That's the badger.  :thumbsup:

I think I took a right signed "Cwm-bach, Llechrhyd", and a brown B&B logo under it. Then further-on - left at a new T junction not previously on the old A470 road, and then left at another new T junction on the newbridge boundary. You're then back on route.

Oh, and there were temporary traffic lights on the bridge over the river Wye, (where there used to be permanent ones. I warned ou there were ore traffic lights ;)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 16 May, 2012, 04:22:29 pm
By the time we get back - we're too tired to care about, or even remember our stuff - ..........
Well funny you should say that Chris, but many do - for about a week, the living room in the BlackSheep fold looks like a doorway of a charity shop.

Yup - leave whatever you like. The more the merrier. Blacksheep holds a jumble sale during the day on Saturday, and flogs all our stuff.
Very tempting, considering my quote above.

Some people leave their cars behind...

I remember that one, it left a permanent black stain on the living room floor (leaking sump gasket), the real b1tch was getting it through the conservatory.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Chris S on 16 May, 2012, 04:25:47 pm
I took a right signed "Cwm-bach, Llechrhyd"...

*makes note*

I must take a black marker with me to add "All is forgiven" underneath  :thumbsup:.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Somnolent on 16 May, 2012, 06:48:14 pm
Sounds like the formation of substantial pelotons may be the way to deal with those long TL controlled sections?   As in 20 or so cyclists starting on green... what is the welsh for "not our fault the phasing on lights doesnt allow for bikes guv'nor"

Noted the "old-road" route between Builth Wells and Newbridge, but confess to being baffled by the "Scenic" diversion on Stage 6. Looking at the map I don't see any obvious alternative to the climb up to Cross Foxes?   No doubt all will become clear on receipt of an email from Blacksheep, just hoping it arrives in time to put it on my GPS, otherwise I may have to resort to carrying one of those big paper thingies which blow away when you unfold them :o
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: trumpet on 16 May, 2012, 08:31:49 pm
Roll call for the Severn View Travel lodge on Friday?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feline on 16 May, 2012, 08:37:17 pm
Simon and I will be there.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Chris N on 16 May, 2012, 08:48:57 pm
Noted the "old-road" route between Builth Wells and Newbridge, but confess to being baffled by the "Scenic" diversion on Stage 6. Looking at the map I don't see any obvious alternative to the climb up to Cross Foxes?   No doubt all will become clear on receipt of an email from Blacksheep, just hoping it arrives in time to put it on my GPS, otherwise I may have to resort to carrying one of those big paper thingies which blow away when you unfold them :o

After leaving the YH, take the last right before the A470 into Dolgellau.  Follow the one way system through town and head east on Arran Way.  Take the 2nd or 3rd right uphill onto Fron Serth.  I think it's signposted NCN 8.  Keep going uphill until you reach the A487 then L then R onto the A470.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Somnolent on 16 May, 2012, 09:03:00 pm
After leaving the YH, take the last right before the A470 into Dolgellau.  Follow the one way system through town and head east on Arran Way.  Take the 2nd or 3rd right uphill onto Fron Serth.  I think it's signposted NCN 8.  Keep going uphill until you reach the A487 then L then R onto the A470.

Ah I see where you mean...but the OS display on bikehike (before it clicked off for the night) showed chevrons on a couple of places  :o
Me and chevrons do not go together, especially the morning after a long ride.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feanor on 16 May, 2012, 09:08:11 pm
Practicing...

'Doll-geth-lee', not 'Doll-gell-oh'.

R.


Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Jonah on 16 May, 2012, 09:10:56 pm
Roll call for the Severn View Travel lodge on Friday?

CC Hackney (-1)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Chris N on 16 May, 2012, 09:14:20 pm
... chevrons on a couple of places  :o

The very definition of scenic.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: L CC on 17 May, 2012, 07:33:49 am
Practicing...

'Doll-geth-lee', not 'Doll-gell-oh'.

R.
Dollygalloo
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: mattc on 17 May, 2012, 08:01:21 am
Simon and I will be there.
And me. But I don't think there's a bar or anywhere else to 'be' at the Travelodge; so the pub in Aust seems a better mustering point. I'll try to get there for food - IIRC they stop quite early. (Although the beer was good).
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Tewdric on 17 May, 2012, 08:08:56 am
Practicing...

'Doll-geth-lee', not 'Doll-gell-oh'.

R.

Lie not lee!

Although, as is always the case, you'll hear it pronounced differently by Welsh speakers from different parts of the country!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Hummers on 17 May, 2012, 08:33:40 am
We were talking about the BCM last night on the Pompey Wednesday Night Pub run.

Apparently, Postie (of this parish) will be there to soil the early beds at the YHA  :facepalm:

Anyway, good luck and a tail wind to all that are riding this weekend. I shall (no doubt) raise a glass to you all over the course of the weekend.  :thumbsup:

H
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: mattc on 17 May, 2012, 09:12:19 am
Practicing...

'Doll-geth-lee', not 'Doll-gell-oh'.

R.

Lie not lee!
I find it helps to adopt my brummie accent.

(The welsh never understand me, so I may as well amuse myself. Of course welsh YHAs are all run by gap-year foreigners - mostly english, but I spoke to a warden yesterday who I'm sure had a japanese accent.)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Ray 6701 on 17 May, 2012, 10:15:57 am
Roll call for the Severn View Travel lodge on Friday?

I'll be there as will SR Steve  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: vorsprung on 17 May, 2012, 10:31:25 am
Roll call for the Severn View Travel lodge on Friday?

Yep provided I survive Cribs at rush hour
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: GrahamG on 17 May, 2012, 11:32:10 am
Practicing...

'Doll-geth-lee', not 'Doll-gell-oh'.

R.

Lie not lee!
I find it helps to adopt my brummie accent.


Don't you be taking the piss too - I get enough from Hotflatkunstus
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Henry on 17 May, 2012, 11:57:06 am
Mark - Not sure if you've seen the email I sent a few days ago - Regret to say I'm out of this. Injured a knee last weekend. Planning to do it as a DIY/perm soon instead with a mate who also couldn't make this weekend.

Good luck everyone.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 17 May, 2012, 12:07:58 pm
I've been experimenting with making some of my films available at appropriate times, so I've made these two public again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuZiRgPYKl4&feature=g-upl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxHWajFKfRU&feature=g-upl
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Ray 6701 on 17 May, 2012, 12:53:49 pm
I've been experimenting with making some of my films available at appropriate times, so I've made these two public again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuZiRgPYKl4&feature=g-upl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxHWajFKfRU&feature=g-upl

Not available on mobiles  :(
Title: Re: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Manotea on 17 May, 2012, 02:12:44 pm
Practicing...

'Doll-geth-lee', not 'Doll-gell-oh'.

R.

Lie not lee!
I find it helps to adopt my brummie accent.

(The welsh never understand me, so I may as well amuse myself. Of course welsh YHAs are all run by gap-year foreigners - mostly english, but I spoke to a warden yesterday who I'm sure had a japanese accent.)

A conversation from my youth...
Where you from? Reading
Leading? Where that?
Near London
Ah, Rundon.

N.b., use a Japanese accent for the inquisition, not Welsh.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Somnolent on 17 May, 2012, 02:28:23 pm
Rubbery videos !

I'll get my coat....
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: bikey-mikey on 17 May, 2012, 06:57:00 pm
I've been working on the GPS files..

At Newbridge on Wye, between Builth and Rhayader there is a right turn on a B road that goes nowhere, and then comes back again - it isn't on the route sheet.  I don't think it's the 'new road' mentioned by Mark above, as it reverses on itself...

Looks like a 'mistaken click' when preparing the route, (one which looks like it's on the main road, but is actually a bit off to the side, causing an out and back detour), so probably can be deleted, though it is, of course, your decision, not mine !!

There's another one up and back on Pehrhos Road, either before or maybe just after the Menai Bridge (it is an obvious 'tag' when viewed..)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: bikey-mikey on 17 May, 2012, 09:23:52 pm
After leaving the YH, take the last right before the A470 into Dolgellau.  Follow the one way system through town and head east on Arran Way.  Take the 2nd or 3rd right uphill onto Fron Serth.  I think it's signposted NCN 8.  Keep going uphill until you reach the A487 then L then R onto the A470.

Ah I see where you mean...but the OS display on bikehike (before it clicked off for the night) showed chevrons on a couple of places  :o
Me and chevrons do not go together, especially the morning after a long ride.

I have plotted the route from the YH to the Cross Foxes, as above on bikeroutetoaster - the gradients are much of a much compared to the main road route, and there is only another 34 metres of climb, but it is 0.5 km shorter....  surely a lot safer as well??

http://bikeroutetoaster.com/Course.aspx?course=397768

It starts at the YH and ends just onto the A470 and is 11.86 kms in total...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: mattc on 18 May, 2012, 09:02:25 am
If you plot the routes on (say) bikehike, it shows that:
- you climb an extra 30m the short way, and
- the climbing is done in just over half the distance (then you drop down to the junction).

So I'm pretty certain it's harder! OS chevrons are pretty reliable, and it's hardly surprising that the A-road takes the more smoothly graded path.

But then some folks found the Devils Staircase an anti-climax, so it's all relative ...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Drone on 18 May, 2012, 09:03:54 am
That's the route from the scenic option which hasn't been offered this year. As far as safety is concerned, its a Welsh A road at 6am on a Sunday morning! The gradient from Dolgellau to Cross Foxes is more consistently steep on the option you have highlighted. I will stick to the classic route but then I'm slow and lardy
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Tewdric on 18 May, 2012, 09:08:54 am
Main roads in Wales are where they are for a reason...

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Somnolent on 18 May, 2012, 09:39:44 am
Main roads in Wales are where they are for a reason...

For Welsh drivers ?
A long TL controlled single carriageway on uphill mainroad certainly does not sound fun and the scenic would undoubtedly be safer.
Despite my "chevron aversion" I think the thing to do is to take a look on the descent tomorrow, and make a decision then as to the route to be taken on the return.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: LEE on 18 May, 2012, 09:44:44 am
I have plotted the route from the YH to the Cross Foxes, as above on bikeroutetoaster - the gradients are much of a much compared to the main road route, and there is only another 34 metres of climb, but it is 0.5 km shorter....  surely a lot safer as well??


Safer?  Probably not.  The main roads are fairly empty and wide.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 18 May, 2012, 09:58:25 am
I had the same thought as Ppete, look at it on the way down and see if it looks like it will be ok.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Chris S on 18 May, 2012, 10:39:59 am
Sigh.

There is no way I'm going to be able to ride. I just walked the one mile up to Madgetts to collect my bike, and had to stop for a rest half way. I've effectively not eaten anything since Wednesday lunchtime, still can't really persuade myself to eat now - and the Nuuns don't seem to be helping much.

It would be stupid to try and ride. I'm probably not safe driving the car - seeing as I fainted twice yesterday.

What a shame. The weather looks benign, and I really wanted to manage at least one Blacksheep event this year.

Bugger. I'm going back to bed with the Petulant Lip out  :(.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 18 May, 2012, 11:17:24 am
That’s a real shame Chris. :(

GWS mate, we’ll be thinking of you as we hack and cough our way round Wales.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: L CC on 18 May, 2012, 11:21:28 am
Moral of the story: Don't feed chocolate mousse, no matter how chocolatey and delicious, to a man who is allergic to eggs.

I wont be there either. You'll have to wake yourselves up.

ETA: A room is up for grabs at Severn View Fri & Sun if you PM me.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: clarion on 18 May, 2012, 11:45:05 am
I suspected it was heading that way.  Sound decision. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 18 May, 2012, 12:31:48 pm
T F this is my last one, although the way things have gone in the last 24hrs, the last one will be the 2011 event.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: LEE on 18 May, 2012, 12:41:16 pm
Moral of the story: Don't feed chocolate mousse, no matter how chocolatey and delicious, to a man who is allergic to eggs.

I wont be there either. You'll have to wake yourselves up.

ETA: A room is up for grabs at Severn View Fri & Sun if you PM me.

I can't believe how much this sounds like......

THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AQIm1A70o8)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: GrahamG on 18 May, 2012, 12:55:28 pm
Well, in addition to my DNS, my good friend Henry has done something to his knee which left him walking up hills instead of launching himself up them at warp speed with his usual wreckless abandon.  We're going to see about the logistics of doing the route as a DIY in another month or two.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Somnolent on 18 May, 2012, 01:09:20 pm
First visitation of the weekend....
Tyres all pumped nice and hard, my bike goes in car, then Mrs PpP's.... something catches, and hisssssss !

If that's the worst misadventure that occurs to us I shall be a happy man.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Jamiem on 18 May, 2012, 01:11:55 pm
Good luck pPete and Mrs!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Hummers on 18 May, 2012, 01:34:13 pm
Moral of the story: Don't feed chocolate mousse, no matter how chocolatey and delicious, to a man who is allergic to eggs.

Run for your life Chris.....

RUN!!!!

H
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: hellymedic on 18 May, 2012, 01:34:48 pm
[OT] Obituary of Dr Brian Chapman (General and Geriatric Medicine, Edinburgh) in this week's BMJ.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Chris S on 18 May, 2012, 01:36:51 pm
T F this is my last one, although the way things have gone in the last 24hrs, the last one will be the 2011 event.

 :(
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Lordy on 18 May, 2012, 02:58:27 pm
The weather forecast is looking promising (according to the BBC website).  The weatherman has just promised the female newsreader to bring around his hot dog and pop for the BBQ, now there's an offer! 
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Tewdric on 18 May, 2012, 04:23:48 pm
We are dropping like flies - my 2 year old is in Hospital (in Abergavenny - please shout "get well soon Tomos!" As you ride past..) with an infected lymph gland, so I am on baby duty now.   :-[
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: marcusjb on 18 May, 2012, 05:05:19 pm
We are dropping like flies - my 2 year old is in Hospital (in Abergavenny - please shout "get well soon Tomos!" As you ride past..) with an infected lymph gland, so I am on baby duty now.   :-[

Get well soon Tomos!

We're going to see about the logistics of doing the route as a DIY in another month or two.

With a whole bunch of DNS (including myself - but I found out months ago that I couldn't ride even though I had entered) - sounds like a potential group DIY later in summer???
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Somnolent on 18 May, 2012, 05:18:34 pm
GWS Tomos from Alveston. (saves having to remember to do it from Abergavenny)
Title: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: bikey-mikey on 18 May, 2012, 06:23:50 pm
I have plotted the route from the YH to the Cross Foxes, as above on bikeroutetoaster - the gradients are much of a much compared to the main road route, and there is only another 34 metres of climb, but it is 0.5 km shorter....  surely a lot safer as well??


Safer?  Probably not.  The main roads are fairly empty and wide.
This was to avoid the single lane traffic light very uphill bit that Mark warned us about, hence "safer" otherwise I'd go the main road too. I'll wait and see I suppose!!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Tewdric on 18 May, 2012, 06:26:26 pm
The only gotcha might be that all the locals are using the mountain road to avoid the traffic lights too.  Not that that will matter early on a Sunday morning..
Title: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: bikey-mikey on 18 May, 2012, 06:28:50 pm
But then some folks found the Devils Staircase an anti-climax, so it's all relative ...

Yup I was daft enough to say that, and I'm very very sorry ........... :(

I think I was miffed cos DIDI wasn't there jumping up and down.... Though I did ride past him on the way to the TdF stage four last year :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Polepole on 18 May, 2012, 06:41:55 pm
I'm sorry to say I am also a DNS for this  :'(. I've gone down with the lurgy courtesy of a work colleague who has very kindly shared her affliction and am feeling very unwell indeed. I knew last night there was no way I was going to be fit enough to ride and have emailed my apologies to Blacksheep. I'm doubly gutted as it is the last one he will be organising and I have yet to sample the legendary hospitality he provides on this ride. Can't we persuade him to stay on for just one more year? :-* Pretty please?

Good luck to all who are riding. I am very jealous.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Ian gaggiaport on 18 May, 2012, 06:56:24 pm
Where is the pub of choice in Chepstow town then.
Might pop out if the rain eases or before the hotel musak melts my brain ;)

Saw my first steam punk today
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Tewdric on 18 May, 2012, 07:19:38 pm
Where is the pub of choice in Chepstow town then.

The Coach and Horses in Welsh Street.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feline on 18 May, 2012, 08:04:54 pm
There is currently quite a gaggle of cyclists in The Boars Head in Aust  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Ray 6701 on 18 May, 2012, 08:23:15 pm
Me & SR Steve are just on our way to Severn Bridge svcs.  I'm hoping that my money is in my rucksack & not at home  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: bikey-mikey on 18 May, 2012, 08:25:56 pm
Well I'm home in N Bristol, and about to go to BED.....   O:-)

See you all tomorrow, and commiserations if you have been struck DNS by a lurgy, an injury, a work thing or a family thing!!!  :'(
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 18 May, 2012, 08:59:06 pm
....................................... Can't we persuade him to stay on for just one more year? :-* Pretty please?

Good luck to all who are riding. I am very jealous.

I'm a frayed knot.

The average lifespan of a BCM orgainser is about 3 years, this will be my 9th. I've enjoyed them all to differing degrees. in that time, the numbers of finishers has risen from 40-50 (80-odd for 2003 PBP) to about 100, (133 for last PBP). So my thanks not only to the riders for supporting the event, but also to the smallest and hardest working team of gophers you're ever likely to find.

I want to spend more time with Mrs BlackSheep touring.

BCM will be back with a new skipper at the helm, so get ready for next year.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Chris S on 18 May, 2012, 09:50:36 pm
Wales looks very wet on the radar tonight. Have fun everyone!

I quite like the idea of a group DIY, y'know - when summer eventually decides to turn up.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Tewdric on 18 May, 2012, 09:59:05 pm
The latest forecast on S4C says intermittent rain on Saturday but a mild tailwind both days   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 18 May, 2012, 10:19:47 pm
Have a good ride everybody! Hoping for a tweet feed!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Bairdy on 18 May, 2012, 10:30:13 pm
Take good care out there and have a great ride.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Manotea on 18 May, 2012, 10:55:08 pm
Time to turn in, as I have to be up early in the morning.

I've a whole load of wardrobe door catches to fit then its down to boarding over uneven floorboards. Carpets down in two weeks...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feline on 18 May, 2012, 11:20:18 pm
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/feistyfeline/Photos/63e61813.jpg)

MattC, Feanor, Pingu, Maverick and someone I don't know in the. Blue Boar  :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: jogler on 19 May, 2012, 10:04:36 am
Time to turn in, as I have to be up early in the morning.

I've a whole load of wardrobe door catches to fit then its down to boarding over uneven floorboards. Carpets down in two weeks...

it's a bit much to have riders doing building maintenance at controls,& even I wouldn't take two weeks to do 600km so not a good reflection on your perceived audaxing average.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Andydauddwr on 19 May, 2012, 12:38:36 pm
Good luck to all BCMers.

I'm a DNS this time.  Have been nursing a bad back all week and it didn't get better quickly enough.

Andy
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 19 May, 2012, 07:03:22 pm
Toby & peleton intoenai at 18:05.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: tonyh on 19 May, 2012, 07:22:33 pm

Thanks for the update Mr Sheep.

I've been wishing I was there (but "there" would be only a little way up along the road from the yha, as yet).

Hooray for the Organiser and his accomplices!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feline on 19 May, 2012, 09:59:35 pm
At Menai Bridge 313k. Going very well so far!
Really nice soup at rice pud courtesy of Louise  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Audaxwebby on 19 May, 2012, 10:18:03 pm
Sorry I could not join you on this one guys and girls. Due to right knee injury and being off the bike for 3 weeks there was no chance I could consider doing it. I'm hoping to do the Avalon sunrise 400 if my knee holds up but I think lack of bike time  at the moment it's not looking good. Good luck to you all on your SR Awards and those out there tonight doing the BC.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Bairdy on 19 May, 2012, 11:24:37 pm
Toby & peleton intoenai at 18:05.

That is going some!  :o

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 20 May, 2012, 12:07:22 am
Waiting for straying Willesdon rider. Now there's a surprise
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: hellymedic on 20 May, 2012, 12:21:59 am
A shortish bespectacled fellow with a broad grin, perchance?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: NikW on 20 May, 2012, 08:56:21 am
A shortish bespectacled fellow with a broad grin, perchance?

... or possibly the forever young many time points champ who always seems to be amazed he has somehow managed to go off route yet again?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 20 May, 2012, 09:09:31 am
I'm betting the second. GPS has much assisted the first bloke.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feline on 20 May, 2012, 11:36:32 am
GWS Mikey  :-*

We had a very good 4 hours sleep and are now chowing down on sausages and porridge in Aberhafesp.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 20 May, 2012, 11:50:32 am
GWS Mikey  :-*

We had a very good 4 hours sleep and are now chowing down on sausages and porridge in Aberhafesp.
4 hours!! Setup for an enjoyable second day. Take lots of photos!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: marcusjb on 20 May, 2012, 12:13:48 pm
GWS Mikey  :-*

We had a very good 4 hours sleep and are now chowing down on sausages and porridge in Aberhafesp.

What's happenned to Mikey (of the Bikey-Mikey type I assume?)?

Sounds like you're going well - enjoy the rest of the day!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Karla on 20 May, 2012, 01:48:26 pm
A year ago right now I was on the final, never-ending climb.  Ah the memories  :thumbsup:
I take it Toby & co finished a few hours ago?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 20 May, 2012, 02:51:12 pm
Back on the BCM after a 3 year break and with tri-bars for the long gradual descents.  ;D

Had an excellent day yesterday, back at Dolgellau before 10, legs working very well, descending fast, enjoying the absence of rain and headwinds.  Didn't sleep that well, left Dolgellau at 2.15am for a night ride across to Aberhafesp.  Struggled a bit with the dozies on that leg and then with a cold stomach on the descent from the big hill out of Newtown, but solved that with a pork pie at Knighton.  A few tired moments on the last stage but got it all together for a sprint back from Chepstow to finish before 1 (several riders already finished).
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: JStone on 20 May, 2012, 03:34:41 pm
Packed shortly after Tretower on stage 1, already well off the back of the field and with sharp & worsening knee & foot pains when I tried to maintain a decent pace. Treated myself to a large cooked breakfast in the cafe at Cwmdu and then rode slowly home to complete a very frustrating 180km day out.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Justin(e) on 20 May, 2012, 04:36:58 pm
Packed shortly after Tretower on state 1, already well off the back of the field and with sharp & worsening knee & foot pains when I tried to maintain a decent pace. Treated myself to a large cooked breakfast in the cafe at Cwmdu and then rode slowly home to complete a very frustrating 180km day out.

Bad luck JStone.  Commiserations to those like you who did not make it and congratulations to those who have.

It is a while now since I did my one and only BC, but the sense of achievement at having completed it still lives with me.  Truly one of the great British cycling events.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feline on 20 May, 2012, 05:51:16 pm
GWS Mikey  :-*

We had a very good 4 hours sleep and are now chowing down on sausages and porridge in Aberhafesp.

What's happenned to Mikey (of the Bikey-Mikey type I assume?)?

Sounds like you're going well - enjoy the rest of the day!
Mikey came off on the Llanberis descent last night and was taken to hospital. I think he is mostly in one piece with a broken finger but I don't know any more than this right now as still riding.
Title: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: bikey-mikey on 20 May, 2012, 06:06:52 pm
I have gravel rash in a number of places but I'll live. My pinkie is pretty sore and I'm in trouble with the wife for ending up in hospital in North Wales on the 2 Year anniversary of the "baaad" North Wales accident. At least it was a different hospital ! Seems I hit a red n white warning sign around a hole in the road - but don't remember so could have hit gravel or been close overtaken and squeezed into it or front wheel fairies or just cocked up..... I have cracked a second Livestrong helmet and guys in the observation ward thought I had been fighting Mike Tyson!! (Black eye n thick lip...) Lyn has banned me from riding in N Wales!!!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Von Broad on 20 May, 2012, 06:30:46 pm
I have gravel rash in a number of places but I'll live.

Bad luck on the fall bikey-mikey.

The two times I've done the BC, I've been on that Llanberis descent in the dark, and it's a fast one. [I'm sure you were there in daylight though]. From what I can remember it's a good surface, so very easy to really relax into it after the preceeding climb and just let the speed come onto you. It's an exhilarating experience, but I remember plenty of nerves showing up too!

GWS.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: marcusjb on 20 May, 2012, 06:40:45 pm
Ouch. Sounds like a nasty fall - but as ever, things could have been worse.

Heal up well.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: smurphboy on 20 May, 2012, 06:50:52 pm
GWS Mikey
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Martin on 20 May, 2012, 07:20:29 pm
GWS Mikey  :) just avoid any AAA rides for a while  ;)

sounds like the Livestrong helmet was cheaper than a BM bonce!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Redlight on 20 May, 2012, 07:23:21 pm
Best wishes for a speedy recovery, Mikey.  As VB says, it's a cracking descent and it's easy to be lulled into a false sense of security. I remember having a hairy moment at the bridge a few years ago.  And the BCM will be there next year...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 20 May, 2012, 07:32:17 pm
A year ago right now I was on the final, never-ending climb.  Ah the memories  :thumbsup:
I take it Toby & co finished a few hours ago?
Tobes yet to finish, I think he may well be going for max vfm
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Ian H on 20 May, 2012, 07:46:42 pm

Mikey came off on the Llanberis descent last night and was taken to hospital. I think he is mostly in one piece with a broken finger but I don't know any more than this right now as still riding.

I shall be upset with him if he's crocked himself badly enough to DNS the KSW600.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 20 May, 2012, 07:50:50 pm
A year ago right now I was on the final, never-ending climb.  Ah the memories  :thumbsup:
I take it Toby & co finished a few hours ago?
Tobes yet to finish, I think he may well be going for max vfm
Now decided to finish
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Ian H on 20 May, 2012, 07:53:26 pm
A year ago right now I was on the final, never-ending climb.  Ah the memories  :thumbsup:
I take it Toby & co finished a few hours ago?
Tobes yet to finish, I think he may well be going for max vfm
Now decided to finish

Tell him from me: it's just not good enough.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: PAC on 20 May, 2012, 08:01:12 pm
I have gravel rash in a number of places but I'll live.
Really sorry to hear that Mikey & hope you make a speedy recovery.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Dinamo on 20 May, 2012, 08:03:21 pm
GWS Mikey

Hope you're back on your bike soon  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 20 May, 2012, 11:09:37 pm
We got round in 39 1/4 hours. Feline's knee playing up slowed us up on day 2. Lots of cretinous driving over the weekend but this afternoon a land rover deliberately swerved at us coming the other way to scare us. Came within inches.

70kph off Llanberis Pass and 75kph this morning off the big climb out of Dolgellau.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 20 May, 2012, 11:19:55 pm
Sorry to hear about this, Mikey. Hope to see you again soon, well and good! Hopefully back on your bike in time for Panoramix's Forest of Dean ride.

Also GWS Feline's knee and may that Land Rover driver be boiled slowly in his own juices. 75kph thouhgh, wooo!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Veloman on 21 May, 2012, 09:20:13 am
I have cracked a second Livestrong helmet and guys in the observation ward thought I had been fighting Mike Tyson!! (Black eye n thick lip...) Lyn has banned me from riding in N Wales!!!

Get well soon Mike and how about a little time in France with Lyn this year instead of next to help with recovery.

Yes, poop happens some times and thank goodness you are OK (the term OK being relative!).

Cracked helmet?  Thank goodness it was not your head.  Not sure about Livestrong, the helmet should be called Livelong!  I've had 3 accidents, none my fault, and cracked 3 helmets.  I'll crack a helmet any day rather than my head.

Anyway, you must be doing well as you have posted on here; phew, relief to us all!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: DrMekon on 21 May, 2012, 09:26:45 am
GWS Mikey!
Title: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: bikey-mikey on 21 May, 2012, 09:39:23 am
I'm most grateful for all the GWS messages and rest assured I'm home and I'm fine - I've had much worse!!! Mike Tyson photo is my avatar now!!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Veloman on 21 May, 2012, 09:51:12 am
Bryan Chapman Memorial (Classic) it says in the book and Classic it is.  Pleased to add that to my very small list of audax events I have ridden and to complete my SR this year.  Also well aware that BCM must be something special if folk travel from Aderdeen to ride it!

Main memories will be of the incredible work of Mark and all his helpers.  The way Mrs R ran the Menai control when Mark was doing the necessary ‘stuff’ regarding Bikey Mike was outstanding.  While everyone of the helpers were heroes in my eyes, and I am reluctant to highlight any, Kings YH food/service was so elating and to be served breakfast by an audax legend (Jim) at Aberhafesp was something I will remember for a long while (but then it could have been because I was hungry!).

The ride?  Well the scenery was very familiar to me as I have tramped around the hills many times and also driven the roads many times getting to those hills.  I knew what the hills were like but they just don’t seem as hard in the car!

Highlights: service at the controls and finishing
Lowlights: hearing of Mike’s mishap and killing a rabbit on the descent to Dinas-Mawddwy (which could had ended very differently!)

Finally, a massive thanks to Mark for organising this event and the weather which was amazingly good.  I think we all should all volunteer to be at a control at 0400 in the morning to serve tired smelly riders with a smile to get some idea of what it is like and if I might feel a little tired this morning, I bet it is nothing compared to Mark (and his helpers) as quite a few riders will have had more sleep than he got over the weekend and I reckon it’s just as tiring worrying about all us riders!

Glad I did it and I can wait, a very long time, before I even consider doing it again!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Panoramix on 21 May, 2012, 09:58:28 am
I'm most grateful for all the GWS messages and rest assured I'm home and I'm fine - I've had much worse!!! Mike Tyson photo is my avatar now!!

GWS mikey. was this in the bit after Pen y pass in between drystone walls?

Oooooch, just thinking about it.
Title: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: bikey-mikey on 21 May, 2012, 10:21:55 am
I'll put up a Garmin link when the cat gets off my lap cos I don't actually remember. Don't know if lost memory is a consequence of last accident or this one!!!  ;-)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: vorsprung on 21 May, 2012, 10:31:01 am
I'm most grateful for all the GWS messages and rest assured I'm home and I'm fine - I've had much worse!!! Mike Tyson photo is my avatar now!!

I saw you before the ambulance arrived, mate.  Glad that you are in good spirits and not too mangled
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: vorsprung on 21 May, 2012, 10:32:42 am
Bryan Chapman Memorial, a digestive diversion (http://audaxing.wordpress.com/2012/05/21/what-i-ate-on-the-bryan-chapman-memorial-600km/)

With some photos
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Auntie Helen on 21 May, 2012, 10:58:15 am
Linky no worky, Vorsprung...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: vorsprung on 21 May, 2012, 11:15:16 am
Linky no worky, Vorsprung...

Sorry about that, dunno what happened there  ;D fixed now
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: GrahamG on 21 May, 2012, 11:59:43 am
Any of the early birds able to tell me if the A470 service station at the bottom of the Cross Foxes climb is 24 hour?  Looking at DIY options now!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: vorsprung on 21 May, 2012, 12:19:01 pm
You mean the one on the A470/A458 junction?  That opens at 8-ish on a Sunday ISTR
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/place?cid=17253002736108720687&q=petrol+station&hl=en&authuser=0&cd=1&cad=src:ppiwlink&ei=ViO6T9zREITh8AOZ6uzABg&dtab=2

I did the BCM as a perm a few years ago with Mal Volio and Blah.   Outbound we controlled in Dollegau at the Coop and after Menai we'd booked a bunk at Kings so used the YHA stamp in the morning

Title: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: bikey-mikey on 21 May, 2012, 12:48:58 pm
I'm most grateful for all the GWS messages and rest assured I'm home and I'm fine - I've had much worse!!! Mike Tyson photo is my avatar now!!

I saw you before the ambulance arrived, mate.  Glad that you are in good spirits and not too mangled
Any chance of a PM telling me what you saw, who was there, and what happened, e.g. did I say anything informative?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Hummers on 21 May, 2012, 01:01:02 pm
I'm most grateful for all the GWS messages and rest assured I'm home and I'm fine - I've had much worse!!! Mike Tyson photo is my avatar now!!

I saw you before the ambulance arrived, mate.  Glad that you are in good spirits and not too mangled
Any chance of a PM telling me what you saw, who was there, and what happened, e.g. did I say anything informative?


I think you kept calling him Paul Dytham but TBH, that is an easy enough mistake to make.

(GWS soon Mikey   :thumbsup:)

H
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: GrahamG on 21 May, 2012, 01:04:36 pm
You mean the one on the A470/A458 junction?  That opens at 8-ish on a Sunday ISTR
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/place?cid=17253002736108720687&q=petrol+station&hl=en&authuser=0&cd=1&cad=src:ppiwlink&ei=ViO6T9zREITh8AOZ6uzABg&dtab=2

I did the BCM as a perm a few years ago with Mal Volio and Blah.   Outbound we controlled in Dollegau at the Coop and after Menai we'd booked a bunk at Kings so used the YHA stamp in the morning



Did you have to make it back to Kings before 10.30pm or did you 'book in' on the way out and get a key for a late arrival?

Sorry for 20 questions - I'd assumed that Kings wouldn't be an option!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: mattc on 21 May, 2012, 01:19:32 pm
Kings let you "checkin", then give you the key-code for the night door.
Mr Blacksheep is the expert on riding the route 'outside' of the calendar event, might be worth asking him for further tips.

(I'm pretty sure the petrol station you mentioned was shut at 0530, and IIRC Pumpé once found that absolutely nothing was open on that stretch during the small hours. )
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: vorsprung on 21 May, 2012, 01:43:49 pm
You mean the one on the A470/A458 junction?  That opens at 8-ish on a Sunday ISTR
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/place?cid=17253002736108720687&q=petrol+station&hl=en&authuser=0&cd=1&cad=src:ppiwlink&ei=ViO6T9zREITh8AOZ6uzABg&dtab=2

I did the BCM as a perm a few years ago with Mal Volio and Blah.   Outbound we controlled in Dollegau at the Coop and after Menai we'd booked a bunk at Kings so used the YHA stamp in the morning



Did you have to make it back to Kings before 10.30pm or did you 'book in' on the way out and get a key for a late arrival?

Sorry for 20 questions - I'd assumed that Kings wouldn't be an option!

We had to make a special arrangement with them to get the keycode to the number pad on the front door.  We got there after midnight
We'd bought food at the coop first time through Dollegau and to save a trip up the driveway we'd stashed it behind the wall next to the entrance on our way to Barmouth

We did our BCM perm in July, because Mal Volio and Blah had missed the event for various reasons.  I just fancied doing it again  ;D
Here's the photos of it on flickr
http://www.flickr.com/photos/36911087@N05/sets/72157623579134866/
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: GrahamG on 21 May, 2012, 02:02:51 pm
Thanks chaps - I won't bother Mark so soon after the weekend, but will have a look at the route/controls in a bit more details once i've got a date sorted and hostel space booked!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 21 May, 2012, 02:06:36 pm
Kings let you "checkin", then give you the key-code for the night door.
Mr Blacksheep is the expert on riding the route 'outside' of the calendar event, might be worth asking him for further tips.

(I'm pretty sure the petrol station you mentioned was shut at 0530, and IIRC Pumpé once found that absolutely nothing was open on that stretch during the small hours. )

As a classic route check I use:-

Chepstow  - Plenty of places to get receipt. Shops, Petrol Stns, ATMs, places with stamps.
Bronllys - Receipt fron Honey Cafe.
Nant-Yr-Arian - They have stickers (and a stamp - but this is often "lost" - presumably in managers office)
Dolgellau - Shops receipt (CO-OP), ATMs.
Menai Bridge - Brittania service station (about 100m past usual calendar event control). Open 24 hours, but fairly useless after doors close in evening - as they stop selling hot drinks (can't get them through serving hatch)
Dolgellau - as before (but more likely to be ATM if on 0600 from Chepstow).
Newtown (instead of Aberhafesp) - ATMs, Shops, PO stamp,
Weobley - Old School Shop has a stamp. (open 0600 to 2000).
Chepstow - Plenty of shops, ATMs, places with stamps.

This year's choice in Bold

The petrol station between cross foxes and Dolgellau is not 24 hours, opens 0700 I think, there's never been any sign of life when I've passed it shortly after 0600.

And just to show how bloody sad I am, for the Brevet Cymru I use

Chepstow - Plenty of places to get receipt. Shops, Petrol Stns, ATMs, places with stamps.
Hay-on-Wye - TI Centre has stamp, but there's also ATMs, (PO, Banks to get stamp)
Builth Wells (instead of info) - lots of shops to get receipt, but there's also ATMs, (PO, Banks to get stamp)
Llandovery - West end Cafe has TWO stamps, but there's also ATMs, (PO, Banks to get stamp)
Lampeter (instead of info at Cwmman) - ATMs, All-day shops receipt,
Tregarron - Talbot has stamp - often lost in the hotel part of the building, Landlord likes to sign card. LONDIS receipt (in the main square).
New Quay - The Marriners Cafe has a stamp - but you're best contacting them before to check on opening times. I went to the Sea Horse PH, and the Landlord signed card
Llandovery - West End shuts at 20:00, but there's ATMs close-by
Crickhowell (instead of control at Bwlch) - NatWest ATM on Right as leaving town on A40.
Chepstow - Plenty of places to get receipt. Shops, Car Sales Centre, ATMs, places with stamps.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: GrahamG on 21 May, 2012, 02:18:05 pm
Many thanks Mr R. 

Just waiting to hear back from fellow DNS Henry regarding the state of his knee and I've even had Mr Whiteland express an interest in riding it at more of a 'tourist' pace with us, so that'll dispense of the need for a routesheet!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: zigzag on 21 May, 2012, 02:20:43 pm
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-HhbBlW8F-CI/T7o8XBcI2oI/AAAAAAAAB_8/SJVk9Kl-PfQ/s640/IMGP0091.jpg)

more photos (https://picasaweb.google.com/zigzag510/BCM600k2012?authkey=Gv1sRgCIWHs8DArMmY1QE#slideshow/5744970488778650706)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: sbseven on 21 May, 2012, 03:44:20 pm
Many thanks to Mark and his team of helpers. Good luck in your retirement.  ;)

I took your advice, Mark, on sleeping at Aberhafesp. It worked well. I sleep in the peace and quiet and left as day broke. Great timing.

I rode my first BCM for 26 years! (Back then, the Anglesey 600 in 1986).

Sorry to hear about your accident, Mike. I'm sure you'll be back out there soon.

CET, it was good riding with you and Nick G at various times during the day.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Somnolent on 21 May, 2012, 03:50:24 pm
Mission accomplished:
First 600 completed (actually first ride over 300 for either of us)

We were a few minutes ahead of our "full-value game plan" all the way through Saturday and got to bed just after 4 am.  Decided to keep ahead and leave at 7:30 am instead of our original planned 8 am, but left Kings YHA a few minutes after 8 am, having helped TimS "re-invent the wheel".

Thereafter found that we were needing brief intermediate stops on each leg as just kept on "running out of fuel" - and so started to eat into hour's "contingency", playing leapfrog with Simon & Feline on the tandem, arriving back at Bulwark at 21:30pm, just avoiding lanterne rouge status, thanks to Tim !

No pictures...didn't really have time, sorry.

BIG THANK YOU to BlackSheep and MrsBlacksheep ... and all the other helpers!
and GWS Mikey.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 21 May, 2012, 03:58:46 pm
Mission accomplished:
First 600 completed (actually first ride over 300 for either of us)
Well done PpPete!!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Ray 6701 on 21 May, 2012, 04:17:46 pm
Firstly a big thanks to Mr & Mrs Blacksheep & their team of helpers for all the hard work & also to SR Steve for the lift to the start & back home again :thumbsup:

The ride was great & the weather was kind to us.  The 1st 200k was pretty rapid at just over 9hrs & over 16mph avg.  I especially enjoyed the ride over the Mawddach on the Barmouth bridge & onto Harlech as we used to go on holiday in Talybont.  Happy family memories :)   Sitting on the grass in the sunshine opposite londis in Weobley knowing I'd got plenty of time left to finish was also a high point. 

Sadly my right knee started playing up before I'd got to kings yh on the way out & it was just a case of getting to each control after that.  On the vitamin I (ibuprofen) now as I have to commute to work tomorrow & still want to ride the Llanfair 400 on Saturday. 

Highly recommend the Travelodge at Severn view, the room only cost £30 for two nights including breakfast & both nights they moved us to a family room.

Anyways thanks again all & GWS Mikey  :thumbsup:







Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Justin(e) on 21 May, 2012, 04:24:46 pm
Mission accomplished:
First 600 completed (actually first ride over 300 for either of us)
Well done PpPete!!
Impressive.
Now you MUST ride a 400 - it is in the rules.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feanor on 21 May, 2012, 04:32:21 pm
Just back in Aberdeen.
That was my first 600, and it was a great weekend out.
Weather was great, the terrain was fantastic.

Was good to put some faces to the various forum names.
Many thanks to Mark and his team of helpers for a seamless event.

All went well, and the worst that happened was a sense-of-humour failure following a clipless moment.
Oh, and I need to go and grumble to Garmin about Edge 800's shitting themselves 400k in.

The obligatory Barmouth Bridge pics, of Pingu and myself:

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-rNRDIdfA7fs/T7pci6OfRTI/AAAAAAAAAHM/0J3iDFDRhok/s800/P1000601.JPG)  (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-i21eCvlMh-M/T7pccJML2UI/AAAAAAAAAHE/9KwTDnFN6HM/s800/P1000602.JPG)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Paul Rainbow on 21 May, 2012, 05:30:05 pm
Yes great weekends riding  :thumbsup: Started off slightly stressed after leaving Bristol a tad late and having to ride faster than planned to just make the start on time! But after that settled in and enjoyed a completely dry BCM! After two previous soakings made it a very different experience.

Great to meet Feanor & Pingu at various stages throughout the ride, realised shortly after chatting outside the tourist info in Knighton (and claiming it was pretty flat to Weobly) I may have forgotten to mention the Lumpy laney bit  :facepalm:

Thanks again to Mark, Lou, and all the many helpers, great food and support throughout. Never eaten so much apple pie! or had it for breakfast!

(http://www.mediafabrica.co.uk/bike/audax/barmouth-bridge.jpg)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feanor on 21 May, 2012, 06:02:01 pm
Great to meet Feanor & Pingu at various stages throughout the ride, realised shortly after chatting outside the tourist info in Knighton (and claiming it was pretty flat to Weobly) I may have forgotten to mention the Lumpy laney bit  :facepalm:

Good to meet you too.

Quite enjoyed the laney bit, actually!

We stopped at an artsy gallery / cafe in Knighton, about halfway down the hill behind the tower on the right, and had home-made soup, bread and cake!

--
Ron
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: thesloth on 21 May, 2012, 06:49:25 pm
Felt allot more relaxed about this ride this year. It was good to arrive at familiar locations and see familiar faces.
I'm sure that monster climb near Monmouth has grown.
I was a bit quicker overall, but definately slower on the climbs - I suspect that this is mostly because I didn't try to chase Toby up the early hills.

Nice to meet CrazyEnglishTriathlete who did way too much work towing us at crazy speeds throughout most of Saturday.
Good as always to ride with zigzag. He found me out of puff and almost asleep on the bars on the way to Aberhafesp.

Thank you to Mark and all of the other helpers. To just flop into a chair in the wee hours and have someone feed and water you is much appreciated. Good work for finding the new Menai control so close to the old at such short notice.

A few photos (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thesloth94/sets/72157629829332380/show/)

Oh, and I need to go and grumble to Garmin about Edge 800's shitting themselves 400k in.
I feel your pain. It's a known issue. I got lost on the previous BCM, because mine expired. I don't let the Garmin activities get much past 300km. I then merge them together afterwards to create one complete activity. PM me if you want to know the technique.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Karla on 21 May, 2012, 07:33:28 pm
First 600 completed

VERY WELL DONE!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Somnolent on 21 May, 2012, 07:37:10 pm
Mission accomplished:
First 600 completed (actually first ride over 300 for either of us)
Well done PpPete!!
Impressive.
Now you MUST ride a 400 - it is in the rules.

We know...
A nice flat 'un is booked!
One Llancloudy in a year is quite enough.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Euan Uzami on 21 May, 2012, 07:48:22 pm
Oh, and I need to go and grumble to Garmin about Edge 800's shitting themselves 400k in.
I feel your pain. It's a known issue. I got lost on the previous BCM, because mine expired. I don't let the Garmin activities get much past 300km. I then merge them together afterwards to create one complete activity. PM me if you want to know the technique.

When you say "shitting themselves" and "expired" what exactly did they do, what were the symptoms?
I had garmin issues on that ride to which I haven't quite worked out the cause / what I did to upset it.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feanor on 21 May, 2012, 07:57:30 pm
They die with the White Screen of Death.
Essentially, they crash to a blank white-screen and then fade to dead.

Re-booting only gets as far as 'loading maps...' before crashing to WSoD again.
Rinse and repeat.

If the current tracklog ( 'activity' ) exceeds a certain size ( approx 400k ) then it craters in this way.

I was able to recover yesterday and continue navigating as described here:
http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=58702.msg1235857#msg1235857

As it stands, you must not let the current tracklog ( activity  ) reach 400k.   You need to re-set it by press-and-hold the left button.   This will save the existing one, and start a new one.

--
Ron
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Euan Uzami on 21 May, 2012, 08:07:38 pm
They die with the White Screen of Death.
Essentially, they crash to a blank white-screen and then fade to dead.

Re-booting only gets as far as 'loading maps...' before crashing to WSoD again.
Rinse and repeat.

If the current tracklog ( 'activity' ) exceeds a certain size ( approx 400k ) then it craters in this way.

I was able to recover yesterday and continue navigating as described here:
http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=58702.msg1235857#msg1235857

As it stands, you must not let the current tracklog ( activity  ) reach 400k.   You need to re-set it by press-and-hold the left button.   This will save the existing one, and start a new one.

--
Ron

Oh ok, mine didn't quite do that... but i'll ask in gps as a bit off topic to go into detail here. hope you get it resolved ok  :thumbsup:


Mark thanks for the splendid organisation, always a pleasure to do your rides and the controls were all fabulous  :thumbsup:

mikey! really unlucky with the crash mate, glad you're ok ish and hope you're back riding again soon
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: PloddinPedro on 21 May, 2012, 08:49:33 pm
Just another vote of thanks to Mark, Louise and all the Team who worked so hard to give us all another great ride.

This will live particularly strongly in my memory for two reasons - one, I got to ride in Wales without being rained on (I know, hard to believe, but ‘tis true!) and two, it was a revenge match for my horrible experience last year when I finished out of time after very nearly packing. I even remembered to avoid the embarrassment of forgetting to collect my dropbag when leaving the finish!

As usual, I didn’t get to chat to too many people from my position as Tail Gunner, but it was nice to put faces to PpPete and Mrs. PpPete. Congratulations on finishing your first Audax over 300km - brave (foolhardy?!) to pick this ride as a first at the distance but well done!

Big commiserations to Bikey-Mikey - I do hope you recover quickly - they say practice makes perfect but are you sure this is a wise policy?!

Sympathies also to those for whom for one reason or another things didn’t work out. Try again another day - it worked for me!

Oh, and great pictures from those who’ve posted them - they really do capture the flavour of the weekend.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Hummers on 21 May, 2012, 09:22:08 pm
Mission accomplished:
First 600 completed (actually first ride over 300 for either of us)
Well done PpPete!!
Impressive.
Now you MUST ride a 400 - it is in the rules.

We know...
A nice flat 'un is booked!
One Llancloudy in a year is quite enough.

Pete, well done on the BCM dear boy  :thumbsup:

Just one thing; did you know that there are some very fine rides (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=51509.0) close to where you live?

I expect I will be visiting these lands later in the year (when I am unbroken) to finish the SR and could do with some company.

H
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Pingu on 21 May, 2012, 09:40:47 pm
Maverick, Simon & Feanor at the beginning:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8008/7241806964_49f868b604_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/7241806964/)
IMG_0307 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/7241806964/) by The Pingus (http://www.flickr.com/people/the_pingus/), on Flickr

SimonP  & Feline at the first control:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8151/7241813268_5f9d425613_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/7241813268/)
IMG_0308 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/7241813268/) by The Pingus (http://www.flickr.com/people/the_pingus/), on Flickr

Unknown rider Akin at Barmouth:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7076/7241850030_8bac0152b3_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/7241850030/)
IMG_0315 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/7241850030/) by The Pingus (http://www.flickr.com/people/the_pingus/), on Flickr

Piccies (http://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/sets/72157629830936524/)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Lordy on 21 May, 2012, 09:53:00 pm
The unknown rider in the photo is Akin.

Great ride, many thanks Mark et al for your fantastic support during what must have been a testing year for you, hugely appreciated.  GWS Bikey-Mikey. 

Had a steaming return to Chepstow with James and Mel K on the last section to make it in under 35hrs (many thanks both).

Of all the massive hills, the hardest for me is a close toss up between the YHA for the 2nd time and that tough little gravelly lane on the way to Weobly.  Thanks to James, Julian, Akin, Paul for the on-off company.  Great to see Filthy again and big congrats to those on fixed (chapeau).

Now back to bed again!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: akin on 21 May, 2012, 10:37:57 pm
The last picture above is me Pingu. I would like a copy if it could be arranged. Shame about the strange facial expression, it is a result of me trying to look stoic, then you making me laugh.

Good to ride with Lordy early on, we were going well until the side wall of my rear tire exploded. Despite Nuncio pointing out up thread my previous falls on Welsh soil I remained upright and even had a spare tyre to solve the problem.

Got to Menai in the light which was my aim for day one, and then back to the Hostel much earlier then previous attempts despite my rear guard bridge breaking on the night sections. Managed to zip tie it up for the rest of the ride.

Rode most of the second day with Rottenhat, who I had not seen for a few years since another scenic welsh excursion. The company was most appreciated.

Thanks very much to Mark and all the helpers, I had a great time once again. Will no doubt see you on one of your other rides,

GWS Mikey, hopefully speak to you again on the road soon.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Pingu on 21 May, 2012, 10:51:11 pm
Thanks to Blacksheep for organisation (esp. for getting Menai sorted out) & his helpers.

Had a great ride with some cracking climbs (apart from that barsteward just before Monmouth) & company. Good to see some new faces  :)

Well done to all those who did this as a first 600.

GWS BikeyMikey.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Pingu on 21 May, 2012, 10:57:57 pm
The last picture above is me Pingu. I would like a copy if it could be arranged. Shame about the strange facial expression, it is a result of me trying to look stoic, then you making me laugh.

The full sized JPEG piccy is here (http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7076/7241850030_9a64c3f248_o.jpg) (3.5 Mb). If you want a RAW file then PM me with details of where to send it.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: mattc on 22 May, 2012, 10:38:54 am
It didn't spoil a brilliant weekend, but I have to say this was the worst traffic (and driver impatience) I've encountered on a Welsh ride. Saturday morning roads seemed much busier than 4 years ago.

A couple of riders I spoke to agreed - anyone know the cause? Just a statistical blip?

(I can't blame the roadworks - they don't actually increase the traffic count, and we had impatient drivers in areas unaffected by the bloody things. )
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Tewdric on 22 May, 2012, 10:49:56 am
There was a small holding show on at Builth - maybe that was something to do with it. 
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Jonah on 22 May, 2012, 10:52:32 am
Did anyone else encounter that near-death experinence during the first 100k?  You know?; when that moron in the white van attempted to overtake the peleton and then had to swerve onto the grass verge on the OTHER side of the road, narrowly missing the oncomming traffic as he skidded up into the hedge.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: PloddinPedro on 22 May, 2012, 10:53:56 am
It didn't spoil a brilliant weekend, but I have to say this was the worst traffic (and driver impatience) I've encountered on a Welsh ride. Saturday morning roads seemed much busier than 4 years ago.
I noticed that. I thought it was just me being grumpy, but that's my usual mode on such roads anyway. But it contrasted with my recollection of last year. At least it was a yob-free ride, which hasn't always been the case for my forays into Dragon-land!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: mattc on 22 May, 2012, 11:02:58 am
There was a small holding show on at Builth - maybe that was something to do with it.
I'm not sure ... there is a big event on almost every time I go to Builth! And it got bad again heading North away from BW later on. :(

@Jonah:
Yep, I was there! Couldn't believe what I saw really. On the one hand, WVM really should have waited for a better moment; on-the-other, he put himself on the verge, at great risk, rather than risk squeezing the bunch into the gutter. (Had I found myself in the same position, I think I'd have chosen the squeeze if I'm honest).
As I watched this develop, and saw WVM get back onto the road in 1 piece, I fully expected him to hang around and give the peloton an earful. But no; he just drove off on his merry way, as if this was a standard Saturday morning manouevre!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Somnolent on 22 May, 2012, 11:15:35 am

Pete, well done on the BCM dear boy  :thumbsup:

Just one thing; did you know that there are some very fine rides (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=51509.0) close to where you live?

I expect I will be visiting these lands later in the year (when I am unbroken) to finish the SR and could do with some company.

H

I did consider the Wessex SR when first mooted, but found I had a clash of dates, may have been washing my hair that weekend or something.
Always happy to ride with you though, but didnt know you were broken, what have I missed?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 22 May, 2012, 11:51:46 am
It didn't spoil a brilliant weekend, but I have to say this was the worst traffic (and driver impatience) I've encountered on a Welsh ride. Saturday morning roads seemed much busier than 4 years ago.
A couple of riders I spoke to agreed - anyone know the cause? Just a statistical blip?
(I can't blame the roadworks - they don't actually increase the traffic count, and we had impatient drivers in areas unaffected by the bloody things. )
I was in a white van all w/e, although I can't claim to be the stunt driver.

And I must say that I was very impressed the way that many of the cyclists did whatever they could to let me pass. I'm sure that they couldn't have known that their provisions for the rest of the ride were on-board - so well done to you all.

Traffic lights probably had an effect, but this would only been apparent for a short distance after passing them. From a driver's perspective - trying to get from Chepstow to Bronllys to Dolgellau, to Menai. It was very hard work at times, due to cars travelling at quite lowly speeds, here I'm talking about sub 30mph in areas where the NSL existed. This not only hindered me quite considerably - but also many HGV vehicles, this did tend to force the traffic into slugs. So from a cyclists perspective this would have concentrated the apparent traffic.

We were also treated to some spectacular stunt car antics, so perhaps it's also (sadly) a sign of the times.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Pingu on 22 May, 2012, 12:15:03 pm
It didn't spoil a brilliant weekend, but I have to say this was the worst traffic (and driver impatience) I've encountered on a Welsh ride. Saturday morning roads seemed much busier than 4 years ago.

A couple of riders I spoke to agreed - anyone know the cause? Just a statistical blip?

This was my first ride in Wales, I found the standards of driving to be pretty poor in general but on the whole no worse than what I've seen in the Borders area of Scotland (on the main A roads). The roads were busier though, so there were more close overtakes than I usually experience. Why the motons do this when there is plenty of space on the other side of the road is beyond me.

A few of us seem to have been the victim of a pariculalrly aggressive tanker driver on the climbs just before the first approach to Dolgellau  :demon:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Jonah on 22 May, 2012, 12:21:19 pm
Thank you again BlackSheep for a most excellent ride - myself and the rest of CC Hackney enjoyed the entire experience immensley

best regards,
Justin
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: GrahamG on 22 May, 2012, 12:23:53 pm
Sounds like an event or two conspiring to make it a little worse than normal - I made the mistake of using the A470 in the summer holidays last year and then heading past all the N.Wales caravan site type resorts to boot. Close caravans and teenagers all out in their knackered old hatches made for some rather unpleasant riding at time. Of course this just served to make the A5 an even greater pleasure for the night section to Shrewsbury ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Joolz on 22 May, 2012, 12:50:43 pm
Hello,

Great to see you all on the road and glad the pink tamden riders got round  ;)

Thank you for Mark and Lou organising this.  The best BCM that I have riden and weather very unusual.

Sorry to hear about Mikey Bike's Accident and hope he has a speedy recovery,

Also, great meal at http://www.aslanscafe.co.uk/index.htm

Joolz
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feline on 22 May, 2012, 01:27:19 pm
What a ride! Many many thanks to Mark and Louise and all the other helpers who all did so much to make this the epic ride that it is!

I should say now, I am a crap photographer especially when on the back of a tandem and wearing long fingered gloves, so I appologise for the quality of my pictures!

Bulwark Community Centre, 6am start
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Somewhere near Monmouth Usk.
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So far its overcast and pretty cold, but we are simply overjoyed it is not wet!
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Did I mention how crap my photography skills are?
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Bronllys Control 72km. I had fried egg on toast, just what I needed and the service was very fast, in and out in 22 minutes.
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Nant Yr Arian control at 154km. At this stage the sun is trying to shine. I thought we were supposed to be in Wales!
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Waiting at one of the sections of roadworks. These proved not to be a huge problem as the lights were all good at detecting cyclists and would turn to green as you got there if nothing was coming the other way.
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Lots and lots of sheep. Great scenery to look at, and on the back I can really soak in the views! We managed the first 200km in 9 hours, so far so good.
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Crossing the Barmouth Bridge at about 240km
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The mountains are coming! The lakes here remind me of Scottish Lochs.
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Starting the climb of Pen-Y-Pass
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Getting overtaken. We were expecting this to happen twiddling up there on a lowish gear.
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Finally at the summit, and the setting sun looks alsolutely splendid. An impromptu gathering eats and puts on some warmer clothes for the descent. We have managed the first 300km in 15 hours which I am more than pleased with.
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Arriving at Menai (313km) just as it's getting dark.
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The scouts hut control. Considering how last minute sorting this control had ended up being it was a splendid facility, lovely and warm and Louise as cheerful as ever serving much appreciated hot soup and rice pudding with fruit.
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At this stage I put the camera away in the pannier since it was dark. The stage back to Kings seemed to take ages as always when you're riding towards your bed I tend to find. Tiredness was definitely affecting my power output and Simon was finding things a bit of a strain because of it. But it wasn't long after 2am when we made it. After some food I collapsed into a wonderfully comfortable bunk bed (with a duvet!!) for a lovely 4 hours sleep. This was more sleep than I could ever have dreamed of having on this ride.

I was woken at 7am as promised and we had breakfast then set out into the second day. Immediately as we left I was having an accute stabbing pain in my right knee. I have had a few problems with it this season with just a low grade nagging kind of pain, but this was on another level altogether. We soon stopped and I took some Vitamin I (Ibuprofen) and hoped that as we got warmed up things would improve. The first climb certainly warmed me but did nothing for my knee. I limped into Aberhafesp at 461k wondering how on the earth I was going to finish the ride.

By the time we got to Woebley ay 540km the sun was shining and we joined a pack of tired hungry Audaxers feeding on junk food from the village shop and lounging around on the little green. It all felt much too relaxed for the second day of a 600!
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The last section proved to be a bit of a trial for me. My attempt at peeing in a hedge with a Sheewee was not entirely sucessful and resulted in me changing into my other shorts whilst hoping a car or rider wouldn't come round the corner! We had to make several stops to stretch my knee and try and relieve the pain. I maxed out my Vitamin I dose and rubbed some of Simon's Ibuprofen gel into the knee too for good measure. We stopped at a very nice pub for a coffee outside in the sun. I said to Simon that despite only having about 50km to go, if I had been riding on a solo I didn't think with my knee in that state I would have been able to finish. I was by now riding pretty much just with one leg. Llancloudy was not very enjoyable. I swore, lots. The last time I went through pain like this I was offered gas and air in a hospital and there was a baby at the end of it!

Another knee stretch stop passing Tintern resulted in another photo oportunity!
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We finally rolled into Chepstow a few minutes after 39 hours, about an hour later than we had really been planning to finish. I couldn't be more pleased we got round it in time and had 4 hours sleep to boot.
Thanks again to Mark, Louise and all the helpers. This is a ride to remember for a long time to come, and mostly for good reasons!!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 22 May, 2012, 02:02:52 pm
Great RR and Pix Feline  :thumbsup: .

I think the "Somewhere near Monmouth" pic might be Usk. Which would fit in with the order of the Pix.

On a galactic scale, Usk is "Somewhere near Monmouth".  ;)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Salvatore on 22 May, 2012, 02:09:17 pm
Great RR and Pix Feline  :thumbsup: .

I think the "Somewhere near Monmouth" pic might be Usk. Which would fit in with the order of the Pix.

On a galactic scale, Usk is "Somewhere near Monmouth".  ;)

There used to be a bench about 3.5 cm NNE of Simon's right ear - very useful on the Brevet Cymru for 40 winks before the Llangwm climb.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: GrahamG on 22 May, 2012, 02:18:08 pm
Mystery Bristol South member spotted again!
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Anyone know who it is? I've asked a few bods in the club but no-one seems to know!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Justin(e) on 22 May, 2012, 02:26:58 pm
Great RR and Pix Feline  :thumbsup: .

Excellent gonzo photo montage.  Makes me long for those Welsh rides I used to do (Now in Perth, WA).

Jealous of you all who finished.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Lordy on 22 May, 2012, 02:33:38 pm
Mystery Bristol South member spotted again!
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Anyone know who it is? I've asked a few bods in the club but no-one seems to know!

Neil V did tell me his name early on Saturday morning, but alas forgotten however he will know.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 22 May, 2012, 02:40:40 pm
Mystery Bristol South member spotted again!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/feistyfeline/BCM600%202012/IMGP0030.jpg)

Anyone know who it is? I've asked a few bods in the club but no-one seems to know!

Neil V did tell me his name early on Saturday morning, but alas forgotten however he will know.

I expect Neil V told you the mystery Bristol South rider's name was Alex Foster
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: GrahamG on 22 May, 2012, 02:54:13 pm
Cheers! We like to give riders a bit of credit where it's due on our website newsfeed - races, audaxes, far-flung tours etc..
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: NeilV on 22 May, 2012, 04:39:39 pm
You beat me to it, that is indeed Alex.

Nice to see some pictures from part of the pack that I was in  :) It looks like the tandem arrived in Woebley just after we left.

I've got a swollen left ankle and some great memories. I saw Pen y Pas in daylight, didn't get wet and got two hours kip, result.

Thanks Mark, Louise and all the helpers.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: StevieB on 22 May, 2012, 04:43:23 pm
Best Wishes to Mike – descending into Llanberis is no time to be finding out about the solid nature of your surroundings (shudder!)…

BIG thanks to the catering folks at Kings and Aberhafesp: pasta, apple tart & custard and porridge – all delicious! And to Mark & Louise: I saw you in control at Chepstow, keeping it together in Menai, unwinding in Aberhafesp, relaxing in Woebley and back in control in Chepstow - remarkable! (And good luck to your successor – long live BCM!)

I knocked 4 hours of last year’s time, which can only partly be explained by the near-perfect weather (someone had to point out my sun-burn on return!). Some of it has to be down to ‘state-of-mind’ – knowing what to expect, relaxing and enjoying the route and the company.

Cheers to all!

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: simonp on 22 May, 2012, 05:42:26 pm
None of the traffic controls we rode through were a problem for us, they all detected us quickly (unlike the bridge in Chepstow on The Dean which seemed to have a broken sensor). The one on the climb from Dolgellau to Cross Foxes looked potentially dodgy due to the likely slow speed, so we took the scenic route, which is actually much more pleasant than the main road and I prefer it.

Most drivers were fine, but there were a lot of drivers with trailers and caravans taking a chance on the oncoming vehicle getting out the way so they didn't have to lose momentum, and there was one HGV that passed us then tried to pass the next cyclist up the road and had to pull in and brake sharply to avoid the car coming the other way around the blind corner. They didn't have a lot of stopping distance to avoid rear-ending the cyclist. Entirely predictable, and would potentially have been a lot worse if the oncoming car had appeared a few seconds later. However, the Land Rover driver who swerved over to our side of the road on a straight, relatively wide road aiming towards us was clearly not doing so by accident & was trying to scare us.

We did have to pull off once on the Bronllys to Builth Wells road because a queue had formed - mainly because an overly-timid driver wouldn't overtake on a solid white line, even though we were going slow enough for it to be legal. By the time we found a safe spot to pull in, quite a long queue had formed. The driver at the back understood what we'd done and waved their thanks. Shortly, we passed them all again, and more, in Builth Wells due to the queues.

We gained an advantage around Abergavenny by taking the bypass, which I'd seen Andy & Jasmine do in 2010. This is especially beneficial on a tandem due to the lack of being slowed at junctions in the town centre, and we found ourselves ahead of riders who had dropped us earlier.

Title: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: bikey-mikey on 22 May, 2012, 06:55:59 pm
Best Wishes to Mike – descending into Llanberis is no time to be finding out about the solid nature of your surroundings (shudder!)…
Once again many thanks to everyone - I don't remember what I hit, or where for that matter, but the brand new luminous yellow jacket is unscratched except for a hole in the left shoulder. I shall have to come back next year to get my first memories of Llanberis!!!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Jonah on 22 May, 2012, 07:24:18 pm
Glad to hear that you're alright Mikee - it was worrying hearing the news at Menai Bridge

best,
Justin
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Veloman on 22 May, 2012, 08:16:39 pm
Once again many thanks to everyone - I don't remember what I hit, or where for that matter, but the brand new luminous yellow jacket is unscratched except for a hole in the left shoulder. I shall have to come back next year to get my first memories of Llanberis!!!

Mike, now we know you are OK, time for important matters to be discussed.

How is the bike?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: BlackSheep on 22 May, 2012, 08:50:50 pm
Best Wishes to Mike – descending into Llanberis is no time to be finding out about the solid nature of your surroundings (shudder!)
I've just spoken with Bikey Mikey on the 'phone, he seems in good spirits - have a rest for a couple of weeks BM and see how it goes, but don't hurry back too soon - it could lead to more set-backs.

............................ And to Mark & Louise: I saw you in control at Chepstow, keeping it together in Menai, unwinding in Aberhafesp, relaxing in Woebley and back in control in Chepstow - remarkable! ............
We were at Dolgellau for the first couple of hours, and the last six - so you could have missed us there. But are you ielling me you didn't see us at Bronllys ? ? ? ? ?  ;)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 22 May, 2012, 09:52:27 pm
Nice to meet CrazyEnglishTriathlete who did way too much work towing us at crazy speeds throughout most of Saturday.
Good as always to ride with zigzag. He found me out of puff and almost asleep on the bars on the way to Aberhafesp.

Thank you to Mark and all of the other helpers. To just flop into a chair in the wee hours and have someone feed and water you is much appreciated. Good work for finding the new Menai control so close to the old at such short notice.

A few photos (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thesloth94/sets/72157629829332380/show/)


Great to have company and thanks for the photos.  Mark will be a hard act to follow.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feline on 22 May, 2012, 10:23:35 pm
Once again many thanks to everyone - I don't remember what I hit, or where for that matter, but the brand new luminous yellow jacket is unscratched except for a hole in the left shoulder. I shall have to come back next year to get my first memories of Llanberis!!!

Mike, now we know you are OK, time for important matters to be discussed.

How is the bike?

His bike appears remarkably undamaged considering. It has a minor scrape on the left brake lever, a scraped rear QR lever, and a missing right bar end cap and slight bar tape scuffing. I know this because it is currently in my study, but will be returned to it's rightful owner tomorrow!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: drgannet on 22 May, 2012, 10:47:12 pm
Those of you riding too fast at the weekend missed this stunning descent of Pen-Y-Pass  ;D

(http://flic.kr/p/c3PdQG)

(I'm hoping that image upload worked, but if not then http://flic.kr/p/c3PdQG (http://flic.kr/p/c3PdQG))
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Ian H on 22 May, 2012, 10:52:37 pm

Once again many thanks to everyone - I don't remember what I hit, or where for that matter, but the brand new luminous yellow jacket is unscratched except for a hole in the left shoulder. I shall have to come back next year to get my first memories of Llanberis!!!

Well you sounded okay on the phone, but that pic is a little gruesome. Might see you at the weekend.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 22 May, 2012, 10:52:40 pm
Those of you riding too fast at the weekend missed this stunning descent of Pen-Y-Pass  ;D

(http://flic.kr/p/c3PdQG)

(I'm hoping that image upload worked, but if not then http://flic.kr/p/c3PdQG (http://flic.kr/p/c3PdQG))

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7087/7251770896_409c8aba6b.jpg)



The road surface has deteriorated a bit since I was last there.

Not on the BCM I beg to add, you have to leave something to do.
Title: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: bikey-mikey on 22 May, 2012, 11:34:16 pm

Once again many thanks to everyone - I don't remember what I hit, or where for that matter, but the brand new luminous yellow jacket is unscratched except for a hole in the left shoulder. I shall have to come back next year to get my first memories of Llanberis!!!

Well you sounded okay on the phone, but that pic is a little gruesome. Might see you at the weekend.
You should have seen the other fella !!!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: PAC on 23 May, 2012, 08:22:40 am
Those of you riding too fast at the weekend missed this stunning descent of Pen-Y-Pass  ;D

(http://flic.kr/p/c3PdQG)

(I'm hoping that image upload worked, but if not then http://flic.kr/p/c3PdQG (http://flic.kr/p/c3PdQG))
That's a fantastic photo....more and more tempted to do BCM next year :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: StevieB on 23 May, 2012, 01:23:35 pm
We were at Dolgellau for the first couple of hours, and the last six - so you could have missed us there. But are you ielling me you didn't see us at Bronllys ? ? ? ? ?  ;)

Ah.. yes, I remember! I did see you at Bronllys! (Cloning? Time-travel?)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: vorsprung on 23 May, 2012, 02:09:35 pm
Those of you riding too fast at the weekend missed this stunning descent of Pen-Y-Pass  ;D

(I'm hoping that image upload worked, but if not then http://flic.kr/p/c3PdQG (http://flic.kr/p/c3PdQG))

here's my photo of the top of the pass, from a few years ago
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5110/5684056274_1af9b4785f.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/36911087@N05/5684056274/)
DSCF0020 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/36911087@N05/5684056274/) by vorsprung2009 (http://www.flickr.com/people/36911087@N05/), on Flickr

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: TOBY on 23 May, 2012, 02:59:42 pm
Some photos

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-z8CbHXyZoME/T7zRYNWtXgI/AAAAAAAABBY/PzwOF8KxuMs/s640/P19-05-12_08-15%255B1%255D.jpg)
morning group to Bronllys

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-oe0pl75N6uM/T7zRYTPH8bI/AAAAAAAABBc/LeSZdEioKw8/s640/P19-05-12_17-14%255B1%255D.jpg)
descending off PenYPass.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-dcWEvdvPmcs/T7zRbT0V44I/AAAAAAAABBk/ayF5I2-f0Ng/s640/P19-05-12_18-01%255B1%255D.jpg)
at Menai bridge

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-BvGnToBMdPk/T7zRbfBIFFI/AAAAAAAABBo/cYVa8eK7IuE/s800/P20-05-12_06-35%255B1%255D.jpg)
a familiar request found on Sunday morning

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-YZExpPFd22M/T7zRd1sIS7I/AAAAAAAABBw/A9lVOQKrJ6g/s640/P20-05-12_07-08.jpg)
Normal service resumed within an hour of leaving the hostel.

Excellent work from Mark and crew again this year  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: arvid on 23 May, 2012, 09:15:53 pm
First of all thanks to the organiser. I was looking for dinner and ended up with a curry in the Travelodge, which was at that moment more important than giving omnipotent organiser a cheer. I'm afraid the sandwiches your wife made me ended up in a bin in Brean.
The ride has lived up to its hard and beautiful expectations.
The A-road after the Honey cafe seemed very busy and there were 2 overtakes there that were really uncomfortable. I haven't had any other overtakes this close in the UK, but I try to avoid A-roads. This is a holiday after all.
Because I was making a picture at Pennypass I got overtaken by a car and that ruined my descent. Only after I had given it some room I reached 70kph while approaching him again. On the the descent on the way back just afters Kings YH I was also overtaken by a car but this guy knew how to handle his Fiesta, I never had to brake for him and reached 80kph(which has been my max earlier).
If anything I'd say some more descent and some less uphill and I'll try to come over again. I should tease some velomobile riders, see if they'll bite.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Filthy on 24 May, 2012, 08:16:01 am
I add my thanks to Mr & Mrs Blacksheep I am a recent participant only 'discovering' the joys of this ride for the last 2 years but they & theother helpers helped me round especially last year. This year was definate improvement on last years 39hr 50min. This year i finished at about 5.30 & managed a 3 hr sleep at Kings so result! Lordy thanks for the mention & it was good to catch up sorry I could not keep with you after Weobly but I went into 'melt-down' literally. Still dressed for the night I started to suffer - its amazing how long it takes to work out whats wrong when you are tired. So 'stripping' down to short sleeves & nearly 2 litres of water later the world was back on its axis - to the extent that I was looking for the final 'monster' on the Monmouth road which I could remeber for the year before that never came! A good ride, though I had problems with motivation on the way out until over the LLanberis pass when I had a particular 'purple patch' towing Mel of this parish to the control to repay him for multiple tows in the past. Hi to Akin a fellow 'bus' passenger & boos to Graham who did not show. The one other memorable incident was in the wee hrs on the the way to Blethgeret (however its spelt) on the way back I ran over a bunny rabit - I thought it would move - it just sat there - then hopped of afterwards horizontally - I think I broke it!

Thanks to all I rode with .
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Yossarian on 24 May, 2012, 07:39:19 pm
Another excellent Audax - crudely written up in this blog - http://thesquarepusher.blogspot.co.uk/

Thanks to Mark and Louise - very well organised again - I'll be back next year!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Jonah on 24 May, 2012, 08:07:51 pm
Does anyone know when the results for the 'guess the weight of the baby' competition are available?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: vorsprung on 24 May, 2012, 09:42:37 pm
Another excellent Audax - crudely written up in this blog - http://thesquarepusher.blogspot.co.uk/

Thanks to Mark and Louise - very well organised again - I'll be back next year!

great photos!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Euan Uzami on 24 May, 2012, 09:48:51 pm
Does anyone know when the results for the 'guess the weight of the baby' competition are available?

presumably when it's born  ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Karla on 24 May, 2012, 10:13:20 pm
From Yossarian's blog, when he duelled a sportivist up a climb on the second day:

"Him: yeah well... I've already got 70miles in my legs
Me: really... I've got 300miles in mine....
silence...."

That is brilliant!  I think it would be worth the whole ride, just to have one of those moments.   A million smug points to you  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Jonah on 25 May, 2012, 05:53:44 am
Excellent blog Joel
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Somnolent on 25 May, 2012, 08:53:46 am
Excellent blog Joel

+1
Also encountered the sportive,  the "Wild Edric" apparently, although no amount of pride was going to allow me to keep up with them on that hill.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: vorsprung on 25 May, 2012, 09:37:46 am
Excellent blog Joel

+1
Also encountered the sportive,  the "Wild Edric" apparently, although no amount of pride was going to allow me to keep up with them on that hill.

We wondered what the signs saying "feed zone 10km" and suchlike were all about, missed the sportive riders however
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: mattc on 25 May, 2012, 10:17:58 am
I'm pretty sure that at least some of the "Kilo to Go" signs were fibbing.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Redlight on 25 May, 2012, 01:04:26 pm
I'm pretty sure that at least some of the "Kilo to Go" signs were fibbing.

Probably not. You could lose a kilo in perspiration if your really tanked it up Lllanberis
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Feline on 25 May, 2012, 05:29:00 pm
Excellent blog Joel

+1
Also encountered the sportive,  the "Wild Edric" apparently, although no amount of pride was going to allow me to keep up with them on that hill.

We wondered what the signs saying "feed zone 10km" and suchlike were all about, missed the sportive riders however

We passed one of their feed zones, and having noticed the riders were not wearing numbers we were very tempted to sneak in and hoover up some of their food. However I think the tandem might have blown our cover (not to mention the Brooks saddles) so we didn't try it!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: trumpet on 25 May, 2012, 07:56:25 pm


We wondered what the signs saying "feed zone 10km" and suchlike were all about, missed the sportive riders however
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For a moment I thought: Feed station after just 10km? ! !

Lovely stretch of road mind...can't recall any traffic until Knighton...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 25 May, 2012, 10:49:57 pm
I was quite happy with my stunning descent of Pen-y-Pass.  The car driver holding me up was probably more petrified  ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2012
Post by: Justin(e) on 26 May, 2012, 12:06:22 pm
Another excellent Audax - crudely written up in this blog - http://thesquarepusher.blogspot.co.uk/

Thanks to Mark and Louise - very well organised again - I'll be back next year!

Style seeps through your recount of the BCM.

Stylish writing.
Stylish photos.
Stylish riposte.

I especially liked the shadow photo at the end.  Well done.