Author Topic: Womens' Road Bike - Carbon - Triple chainset  (Read 8191 times)

Re: Womens' Road Bike - Carbon - Triple chainset
« Reply #25 on: 17 February, 2012, 10:50:27 pm »
The triple helps with finer steps, but not necessarily with range.
The 50/34  11/32 that I've used on long hilly rides has a wider range at both ends than your 50/39/30 12/27  - but undeniably you'll have some finer steps than that setup.

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Re: Womens' Road Bike - Carbon - Triple chainset
« Reply #26 on: 17 February, 2012, 11:08:38 pm »
Yes, and I've have gone lower if I'd been able to research it in time.

I have a cheap 9-speed tiagra rear mech ( not sure of it's arm length, but it's on a triple and does 12-27 OK )
( Grumble: It's quite hard to identify the variants.  Is there info to let you measure it and identify? )
Looking around for lower gearing, 12-27 was as low as I could get on the 9-spd.

Perhaps I need to look at the MTB stuff for lower.
I've not researched it enough to know at what point I need to get a longer-arm mech.

But since I've done Hardknott and Wrynose, I don't feel the need to do them again.
P'raps I'll just leave the gearing alone.

Re: Womens' Road Bike - Carbon - Triple chainset
« Reply #27 on: 18 February, 2012, 01:01:51 am »
I would say stick with the triple butterfly. You were happy with it on the bike you lost, and it would be a shame to end up with a bike you don't like as much because of what has happened. Going for a compact double risks bigger jumps between gears at the lower end you are using a fair bit and that could be bad for knees and things. If getting a carbon frame with triple means the bike has to be more 'custom' then so be it, surely the insurance company has to replace like for like.

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Re: Womens' Road Bike - Carbon - Triple chainset
« Reply #28 on: 18 February, 2012, 09:51:55 am »
The triple helps with finer steps, but not necessarily with range.
The 50/34  11/32 that I've used on long hilly rides has a wider range at both ends than your 50/39/30 12/27  - but undeniably you'll have some finer steps than that setup.
Of course it does!

50/39/30 is a wider range than 50/34.   What cassette you use is irrelephant - the wider range chainset will always win.
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Re: Womens' Road Bike - Carbon - Triple chainset
« Reply #29 on: 18 February, 2012, 10:07:40 am »
You can have a 56/24 double chainset, if you really want.  Chainsets with the required BCDs are in existence or are bodgable.  Not that I would like it!
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Re: Womens' Road Bike - Carbon - Triple chainset
« Reply #30 on: 18 February, 2012, 10:24:47 am »
The triple helps with finer steps, but not necessarily with range.
The 50/34  11/32 that I've used on long hilly rides has a wider range at both ends than your 50/39/30 12/27  - but undeniably you'll have some finer steps than that setup.
Of course it does!

50/39/30 is a wider range than 50/34.   What cassette you use is irrelephant - the wider range chainset will always win.

But take it in context - Feanor was saying that he uses a triple for big hills that his mates can't manage on a compact. My point was that the system as a whole needs to be looked at; just because it is a triple doesn't mean it has a wider range, just because it is a compact doesn't mean you can't get short gears for climbing. In fact, the setup I used this year on BCM is both more spinny than his and has a longer gear at the other end - a wider range even though I'm running a compact and he is on a triple. This was achieved only by changing the cassette (which is a part that needs replacing regularly anyway) and rear mech (inexpensive), rather than chainset, front mech and shifters - the shifters and chainset making this a very expensive change if done as a retrofit.

Of course you can go lower ultimately on a triple (put on a MTB triple with a 22 tooth chainring and a 34 tooth cassette and you'll have balance rather than turning the cranks problems), but for average fitness and non-specialist hill climbing (i.e. not heavy loaded touring in the mountains) it is quite possible to get a good range on a compact.

Going back to the original point of the thread, whilst a triple is obviously what Butterfly knows and is comfortable with, if everything else if perfect on a bike then it may be worth considering it even if it is only available as a compact rather than immediately writing off the idea.


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Re: Womens' Road Bike - Carbon - Triple chainset
« Reply #31 on: 18 February, 2012, 12:23:36 pm »

Re: Womens' Road Bike - Carbon - Triple chainset
« Reply #32 on: 18 February, 2012, 12:28:18 pm »
Alfine 11 anyone?

http://www.planet-x-bikes.co.uk/i/q/CBOOPOMPETVERSA11/on_one_pompetamine_versa_11_speed_pro

But that's not carbon, sorry.

It also comes with a lowest 27" gear!. I am about to fettle mine with a Nexus 23t sprocket to lower that to 24" so I can climb silly things with panniers. Do they actually make carbon frames that can take hub gears?  :D

Re: Womens' Road Bike - Carbon - Triple chainset
« Reply #33 on: 18 February, 2012, 04:56:42 pm »
My n+1.5 will have an Alfine 11 :D. It's not a carbon frame ;D

I understand that I can get a double to have an equal range, but the point is that I want something that comes how I want, as close as possible, with as little faffing as I can manage. The off the peg bikes with a compact double seem to all have 50-34 as standard and I don't think that is enough. To be honest, I really want as large a range as possible rather than teeny tiny steps, although they sometimes help. I've ridden a 21 speed as happily as the 30. It's that I want to say to the insurance 'this bike has what I want' rather than 'this bike is ok, but I need a short stem, more gears, shorter cranks and a different rear mech'.
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Re: Womens' Road Bike - Carbon - Triple chainset
« Reply #34 on: 18 February, 2012, 06:35:52 pm »
Of course you can go lower ultimately on a triple
Right, good, let's leave it there! :)
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Re: Womens' Road Bike - Carbon - Triple chainset
« Reply #35 on: 18 February, 2012, 06:58:31 pm »
Ribble sportive , build  , not sure if anyone has mentioned this but you start with a frame and add what you want .
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Re: Womens' Road Bike - Carbon - Triple chainset
« Reply #36 on: 19 February, 2012, 07:21:21 pm »
Ribble sportive , build  , not sure if anyone has mentioned this but you start with a frame and add what you want .

Helen and I have been researching such things.
Ribble 's frame geometries may be a bit "stretched" for Butterfly.


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Re: Womens' Road Bike - Carbon - Triple chainset
« Reply #37 on: 19 February, 2012, 08:10:29 pm »
We had a look at that.  We concluded that was probably the case, though the New Sportive is much better than the others.
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Re: Womens' Road Bike - Carbon - Triple chainset
« Reply #38 on: 19 February, 2012, 08:23:02 pm »
A triple (mtb stuff front and rear) anytime for me these days. I still look longingly at light weight race reps, but I'd have to walk them up the hill home every day - not so many years ago I could get up it on a mid-60s" fixed, now I'm down nearer 20"!
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