Yet Another Cycling Forum
Off Topic => The Pub => The Sporting Life => Topic started by: Peter on 12 November, 2018, 01:31:38 am
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No, I don't mean the manager, though that might well be the first move. Their defence, which includes the fabled De Gea, has let in more goals so far this season than all but five Premiership teams - and one of them ISN'T Newcastle. This must be a real headache for the defenders and especially their agents. Who is going to buy defenders from Manchester United, when they are no good and will presumably be on wages too high for other clubs? This leads, like the Worm Ouroburos (which swallows its own tail) to a problem for Manchester United, who have to keep on playing these defenders or pay even sillier money to replace them. Not so long ago they would have had youth team members ready to step up but maybe they just join Salford City straight from school these days. It's not all over yet - but it is very satisfying (no, I am not a City supporter and can't even speak Spanish).
Edit: Knowing my luck - and Mike Ashley - I bet the first move will be for Newcastle's Lascelles.
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I despise Man Utd, despite my dad being a fan. But to be fair, he did actaully grow up in Manchester rather than your usual fans from Surrey.
Jose needs to go if they're to turn things around. It's obviously not working. The rot has set in and they need to change. But I can't say I'm not enjoying their shitness...
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In order who should be sold first.
1. Ed Woodward - woeful negotiator
2. Chris Smalling - woeful
3. Phil Jones - woeful
4. Sanchez - doesn’t fit with team
5. Fellaini - monospeed
6. Romelu Lukaku - too slow
Then look at Mourhino if the replacements don’t improve things.
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No, I don't mean the manager,
You might as well have meant him too
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Don't think anyone is particularly surprised by this morning's news.
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Probably for the best for United fans, but I'm not sure what they're actually going to do with a new manager. Obviously they have very high standards and expectations, but as Jose himself loves to blame his players, I think he's got a point.
I do think some of the reporting is somewhat idiotic though. I mean:
United are sixth in the Premier League, but closer to the relegation zone than leaders Liverpool
Closer to the relegation zone?! WTF? That is possibly the most dumb sports journalism ever. Talking about the leaders (Liverpool) and Man U who will no doubt still at the very least finish where they are currently (Sixth) and the relegation zone is utterly absurd. Was that article written by a 6th former on work experience?
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I think it's just a way of expressing that while they are 6th, they are miles off the pace at the top. Clearly they aren't getting relegated (even if they appoint a complete incompetent, they can get another 12 points from the season). Their wealth and talent insulates them from that sort of fate - the worst possible season they can expect is 9th.
I can't work them out. They have a number of very good football players, but it's really hard to arrange them into something that resembles a team. Whoever the next manager is needs to either pick a couple of compatible players and then build a system around them, or define their system and impress upon the higher ups just how important it is to buy players to fit that system. They should probably ignore the managers job and hire a sporting director to run the club competently. Make his first job hiring a manager. I suspect the clamour for an appointment will overtake this sort of logic though.
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Probably for the best for United fans, but I'm not sure what they're actually going to do with a new manager. Obviously they have very high standards and expectations, but as Jose himself loves to blame his players, I think he's got a point.
I do think some of the reporting is somewhat idiotic though. I mean:
United are sixth in the Premier League, but closer to the relegation zone than leaders Liverpool
Closer to the relegation zone?! WTF? That is possibly the most dumb sports journalism ever. Talking about the leaders (Liverpool) and Man U who will no doubt still at the very least finish where they are currently (Sixth) and the relegation zone is utterly absurd. Was that article written by a 6th former on work experience?
Probably a reference to the film on BT Sport about United's relegation in the 1970s. There were various reviews and commentaries on that. https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2018/dec/07/jose-mourinho-manchester-united-relegation
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Probably for the best for United fans, but I'm not sure what they're actually going to do with a new manager. Obviously they have very high standards and expectations, but as Jose himself loves to blame his players, I think he's got a point.
I do think some of the reporting is somewhat idiotic though. I mean:
United are sixth in the Premier League, but closer to the relegation zone than leaders Liverpool
Closer to the relegation zone?! WTF? That is possibly the most dumb sports journalism ever. Talking about the leaders (Liverpool) and Man U who will no doubt still at the very least finish where they are currently (Sixth) and the relegation zone is utterly absurd. Was that article written by a 6th former on work experience?
I think it's perfectly valid to point our they're 19 points behind Liverpool but only 14 points above Burnley (in 18th). It gives much more context than "6th place". They're 8 points below Arsenal in 5th but another loss (and a bunch of other results going against them) and they could be 11th as Bournemouth (currently in 11th) are only 3 points behind them).
Mourinho has got 26 points from 17 games so far this season. At the same point in his season Moyes had 28 points from 17 games (and ultimately survived until April).
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I was disgusted, but not surprised, that with all the political Mayhem that is dogging the country at the moment, the 11am R4 news bulletin led with this insignificant nonsense.
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Rumours are it’s Solksjaer until the summer with either Zidane or Pochettino for longer term.
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I was disgusted, but not surprised, that with all the political Mayhem that is dogging the country at the moment, the 11am R4 news bulletin led with this insignificant nonsense.
If they're still talking about Mourinho being sacked from Man U in two years then the world will have truly got things completely out of kilter.
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Is Victor Lindelof the new Torben Piechnik?
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I despise Man Utd, despite my dad being a fan. But to be fair, he did actaully grow up in Manchester rather than your usual fans from Surrey.
That old chestnut. ::-) Having grown up in Manchester (with family still there) it is my opinion that
there are almost as many City supporters in the conurbation as there are United fans.
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Rumours are it’s Solksjaer until the summer with either Zidane or Pochettino for longer term.
If that's true, I wonder if he'll bring in his mate (former United player and Crumpsall resident, Mark Dempsey).
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Larry White was up there as the bookies favourite earlier today.
(As the next Permanent manager, not a stand-in-until-the-end-of-the-season like Solskjaer would be.)
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Rumours are it’s Solksjaer until the summer with either Zidane or Pochettino for longer term.
If that's true, I wonder if he'll bring in his mate (former United player and Crumpsall resident, Mark Dempsey).
I’d like him to utilise Butt and Carrick. Butt has done a great job with youth squads and there are some real hot shots coming thru.
Chances of us improving position is low but once/if Europa secure then start bringing them through. That gives lots of choice to next permanent man.
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I despise Man Utd, despite my dad being a fan. But to be fair, he did actaully grow up in Manchester rather than your usual fans from Surrey.
That old chestnut. ::-) Having grown up in Manchester (with family still there) it is my opinion that
there are almost as many City supporters in the conurbation as there are United fans.
A Palestinian friend of my younger daughter who lives in Jerusalem was devastated when Mourinho was sacked. He's a City fan. So I think the cosmopolitan nature of football supporters affects all the top teams, it seems.
I don't think he gets to many matches.
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I despise Man Utd, despite my dad being a fan. But to be fair, he did actaully grow up in Manchester rather than your usual fans from Surrey.
That old chestnut. ::-) Having grown up in Manchester (with family still there) it is my opinion that
there are almost as many City supporters in the conurbation as there are United fans.
A Palestinian friend of my younger daughter who lives in Jerusalem was devastated when Mourinho was sacked. He's a City fan. So I think the cosmopolitan nature of football supporters affects all the top teams, it seems.
I don't think he gets to many matches.
Why are you talking about this insignificant nonsense? Surely you should be in PAOBI ranting about shit?
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I despise Man Utd, despite my dad being a fan. But to be fair, he did actaully grow up in Manchester rather than your usual fans from Surrey.
That old chestnut. ::-) Having grown up in Manchester (with family still there) it is my opinion that
there are almost as many City supporters in the conurbation as there are United fans.
A Palestinian friend of my younger daughter who lives in Jerusalem was devastated when Mourinho was sacked. He's a City fan. So I think the cosmopolitan nature of football supporters affects all the top teams, it seems.
I don't think he gets to many matches.
Why are you talking about this insignificant nonsense? Surely you should be in PAOBI ranting about shit?
You're the one who came on first bleating and whining about hating United. :hand:
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You're the one who came on first bleating and whining about hating United. :hand:
The difference is bobb wasn’t ‘disgusted’ at this ‘insignificant nonsense’ being deemed newsworthy, so he kind of has a point (although Wowbagger is as entitled to comment on insignificant nonsense as anyone else).
Personally, as a Liverpool fan who endured the dismal 90s after the glory years of the 70s and 80s, I have some sympathy for Man Utd fans* - it looks like you could be in for a similar period of turmoil. Very different circumstances now, of course, and I can’t see it being too long before Man Utd are back competing for the title.
*jks. I’m actually revelling in your misfortune and especially gleeful that it was a trouncing by my team that put the final nail in Jose’s coffin.
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I despise Man Utd, despite my dad being a fan. But to be fair, he did actaully grow up in Manchester rather than your usual fans from Surrey.
That old chestnut. ::-) Having grown up in Manchester (with family still there) it is my opinion that
there are almost as many City supporters in the conurbation as there are United fans.
A Palestinian friend of my younger daughter who lives in Jerusalem was devastated when Mourinho was sacked. He's a City fan. So I think the cosmopolitan nature of football supporters affects all the top teams, it seems.
I don't think he gets to many matches.
Why are you talking about this insignificant nonsense? Surely you should be in PAOBI ranting about shit?
I'm not proud. I'll even exchange shit-talk with you, bobb.
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I despise Man Utd, despite my dad being a fan. But to be fair, he did actaully grow up in Manchester rather than your usual fans from Surrey.
That old chestnut. ::-) Having grown up in Manchester (with family still there) it is my opinion that
there are almost as many City supporters in the conurbation as there are United fans.
It think the comment is more about the number and proportion of fans that are not from Manchester than the ones that are. When I lived in Manchester I far preferred to go to Maine Road. Much more passion and loyalty than at Old Trafford, which was full of cynical expectation. Maine Road generally laughed at itself (and hated OT, of course ;D )
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A former colleague of mine, who declared himself a lifelong fan of Man United, once interviewed Dennis Irwin. In an absolutely priceless couldn't-make-it-up moment, he asked Irwin: "Do you remember where you were when Ole Solskjaer scored the winning goal in the 1999 Champions League final?"
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When I lived in Manchester I far preferred to go to Maine Road. Much more passion and loyalty than at Old Trafford, which was full of cynical expectation. Maine Road generally laughed at itself (and hated OT, of course ;D )
We follow City because Maine Road was our nearest First Division ground (no Premiership in those days of course). There is something faintly dull about winning all the time, compared to the excitement of never being able to predict the outcome of any game whatever.
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There is something faintly dull about winning all the time
I don't know. I am loving the way Man City and Liverpool are slugging it out at the moment like Foreman and Ali. We could well end up with two teams on 95+ points by the end of this season, which is astonishing, and both sides are playing football that is at times literally breathtaking, and beautifully brutal in its ruthless efficiency.
Mind you, I say this as someone who grew up in the 70s and 80s following non-league football (Maidstone United), so I also appreciate the joy of watching a motley assembly of cloggers and thugs, plying their trade on mudbath pitches and turning out results that were as inconsistent as their skill level deserved (turgid 0-1 defeat one week, thrilling 6-4 victory the next).
The current Man United team is neither one thing nor the other, an upper-mid-table team that isn't living up to its potential but isn't really that bad either, and certainly isn't playing attractive football even when it wins.
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I despise Man Utd, despite my dad being a fan. But to be fair, he did actaully grow up in Manchester rather than your usual fans from Surrey.
That old chestnut. ::-) Having grown up in Manchester (with family still there) it is my opinion that
there are almost as many City supporters in the conurbation as there are United fans.
It think the comment is more about the number and proportion of fans that are not from Manchester than the ones that are. When I lived in Manchester I far preferred to go to Maine Road. Much more passion and loyalty than at Old Trafford, which was full of cynical expectation. Maine Road generally laughed at itself (and hated OT, of course :-D )
Grew up in Moss Side (Claremont Road, in front of Alex Park), for those that know the area.
Our family should have been City supporters (used to go into Maine Road on match days when
they opened the gates 15 minutes before the end to let supporters out). I remember from
1969* to 1974 United were rubbish, but felt sorry for them, as teams regularly used to put 3
or 4 goals past them. I remember Ron Davis (Southampton), Francis Lee (City) and Martin
Peters (Spurs) all scoring hat-tricks against United at Old Trafford in 4-1 victories for their teams.
Oh, and my eldest sister and her school friends all fancied George Best and Willie Morgan, so we
also joined her in support for United.
*United did reach the European Cup semi-final in 69 and lost in League Cup semi-final to City
in 70, and a FA Cup Semi-Final to Leeds in the same year.
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United were the first English team to win the European cup in 1968, ten years after the Munich air disaster. That's what cemented their status.
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United were the first English team to win the European cup in 1968, ten years after the Munich air disaster. That's what cemented their status.
Not quite. United were a very good side throughout the 50s, with good home support.
They received much sympathy after 1958, thus, drawing in some nationwide support.
Even when they went into the old second division they were drawing in 50,000* plus crowds.
* 60,685 in a 3-2 victory over Sunderland in November 1974.
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Newcastle have always had the same level of crowds - 50,000 plus, even on their occasional shorter-than- Manchester Utd stays in the lower division. I think most of them come from Tyneside and Durham, too! Never needed trophies to boost the appeal - just good solid football fanaticism!
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Oh, and my eldest sister and her school friends all fancied George Best and Willie Morgan, so we also joined her in support for United.
My brother used to deliver George Best's papers.
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My cousin's boyfriend sold a car to Kevin Keegan.
Oh sorry, wrong club!
(while he was playing for Liverpool, or perhaps shortly after; not while he was managing Manchester City!)
Edit: not Newcastle either!
2nd edit: Actually could have been when he was playing for Newcastle. The years would possibly fit but cousin grew up in Liverpool (well, Birkenhead).
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Not at all - played for and managed Newcastle.
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Hmm, you've got me wondering now.
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I had a pint in a pub standing next to Bryan Robson.
Those were the days.
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Oh, and my eldest sister and her school friends all fancied George Best and Willie Morgan, so we also joined her in support for United.
What a rubbish reason for supporting a football club.
I have far more respect for City fans as even after they went to shit, got relegated, then got relegated again - their fans still turned up every week. If that happened to United, Old Trafford would be empty in no time. Everyone would just be supporting which ever team was currently succesful. Or which ever team had players that their sisters fancied....
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Just think of all the wasted prawn sandwiches.
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I recall Man Utd being relegated in the 1970s and I don't think their attendance dropped a lot. IIRC they were promoted again straight away so it must have been quite an enjoyable season for the fans, watching them win pretty well every game.
Testing my memory to the limit (I used to take a bit of interest in football in those days, being in a northern college with a lot of different types of supporters) it was a late goal by Denis Law, playing for City, that sent them down.
I actually went to Old Trafford to watch a match that season - Newcastle were the opponents. I went with a couple of Geordies (actually, one was from the Deep Sooth - Sunderland) so we kept pretty quiet. The most memorable part of the match was Jim Holton being sent off for headbutting Malcolm McDonald.
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Someone from Sunderland would be mortified to be referred to as the Deep South of Newcastle.
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A Palestinian friend of my younger daughter who lives in Jerusalem was devastated when Mourinho was sacked.
A lot of fans are devastated about Mourinho being sacked, mainly because if Man. U get a proper manager then they will start beating other teams week in week out.
With him in charge it was most entertaining watching them struggle.
Jose actually looked happy as he was driven out of OT. Mind, with a £ 22million payoff, he should be.
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Someone from Sunderland would be mortified to be referred to as the Deep South of Newcastle.
It was a quote from a pretty decent Newcastle-based folk guitarist who visited our college. I think he was called Les Keating. It may well have been directed at My Mate Terry Who Art (now) in Sibton.
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Paddle steamers cross the Wear, avoiding the gators, from jazz band to cotton field.
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Someone from Sunderland would be mortified to be referred to as the Deep South of Newcastle.
It was a quote from a pretty decent Newcastle-based folk guitarist who visited our college. I think he was called Les Keating. It may well have been directed at My Mate Terry Who Art (now) in Sibton.
As a postscript, I just found Les Keating on facebook. He was a former student at my college and was a good enough amateur guitarist to be invited back to the folk club after he left. It appears that he qualified as a teacher in the summer of 1972, and I started that autumn, so there was no overlap.
Sorry, totally off topic. Have the thread back again!
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What a rubbish reason for supporting a football club.
I have far more respect for City fans as even after they went to shit, got relegated, then got relegated again - their fans still turned up every week. If that happened to United, Old Trafford would be empty in no time. Everyone would just be supporting which ever team was currently succesful. Or which ever team had players that their sisters fancied....
I did say that I felt sorry for United, as teams beat them regualarly in the late 60s and early 70s.
I could easlilyhave followed City (as they were in the ascendency and less than half a mile down
the road). The fact that my sister and friends fancied a couple of good looking blokes in the public
eye is something girls and women will always do, nothing wrong with that.
I get the impression you loathe United fans, even those who have followed the club through
good times and bad. ::-)
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I get the impression you loathe United fans, even those who have followed the club through good times and bad. ::-)
No. Read and understand what I've actually said. I've already mentioned my dad is Man U. I'm cool with that as he actually spent most of his childhood in Manchester. What I object to is all the twats that "support" United despite living several hundred miles away and couldn't even point to Manchester on a map. And have most certainly never been there.....
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I despise Man Utd,
I hope your mother is proud of you for having such hatred in your personality. ::-)
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I despise Man Utd,
I hope your mother is proud of you for having such hatred in your personality. ::-)
My mother is dead. She hated football anyway....
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Mourino must be pretty hacked off with Klopp by now.
He was sacked by Real Madrid not long after being thumped by Dortmund.
Sacked by Chelsea after being beaten by Liverpool
And now the same again at Man U.
Oh and on the footballing tenuous claims to fame I used to deliver Ian St Johns Liverpool Echo
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I think United are best giving Ole Gunnar Solskjaer a run. I can't see Mauricio Pochettino leaving Spurs as he's brought them from bang average to pretty good. Taking the Man U job as a high profile manager is a poisoned chalice. Depsite what I've previoulsy said, I don't wish any ill on United, but they've got to start from the ground up. Just hiring a manager for huge sums of money won't fix the problems....
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Pochettino will cost at least £32m to buy out from his Spurs contract too (he recently signed a 5 year extension with no early release clauses).
Doesn't mean it won't happen though.
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But would he want to though? Regarless of money, I don't think he would...
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Solksjaer trained Pogba in the youth team and centred team around him. Phelan tried to convince Fergie to bring him into the first team.
Our position in league not going to improve and Jose was falling out with team. So it’s a case of backing Pogba to turn things around if played how he likes to be played.
As for Pochettino - if he was a £34m player then no-one would expect anything but a decent squad player - not a game changer. So for points per individual and team improvement/progression, managers are still under valued.
If Spurs make 1/4 final of CL and top 5 in league, Pochettino will have done well. But with new stadium he knows he is getting minimal funds to improve squad. So if he wants silverware (and big pay rise) and chance to take over the big two in Spain (iconic teams in southern America) then he has to leave Spurs.
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As for Pochettino - if he was a £34m player then no-one would expect anything but a decent squad player - not a game changer. So for points per individual and team improvement/progression, managers are still under valued.
Managers have no resale value though so you can't really compare them to players.
(Bring back player-managers I say...)
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Only a matter of time now buy-out clauses are entering their contracts.
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While Mourinho was clearly not helping himself by the end of his tenure, and they have some good players, for the amount of money spent, they should have a lot more great players. If Utd are smart, they are cleaning out the front office and handing control of football matters to a sporting director. That guy would want to hire his own coach. Bringing Solskaer in to hold the fort until that person has their feet under the table would make a huge amount of sense.
If they do go down the sporting director model, would Poch want that? He has some say at Spurs, and not much money - surely the only way you get him to leave for Utd is if they offer him a pile of cash to spend on players, and control of who it is spent on. He has a good thing going at Spurs right now, but if spending is constrained by the stadium, will he actually get to take on the likes of Citeh and Liverpool there, or will he have to keep making do? He's never won a thing as a coach, he could do with getting some trophies on his CV. Also, Real are going to be coach-shopping in the summer, and that's a pretty good place to collect trophies - that might look more attractive than Utd...
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Paddle steamers cross the Wear, avoiding the gators, from jazz band to cotton field.
The only jazz bands in that area play the kazoo not tenor sax. It’s a northern thing.