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Andrij

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4300 on: 31 August, 2016, 11:13:38 am »
It's not just the grammar in this one:

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The One Show (1900): Aired a short segment that looked at how during World War two Royal Engineers helped diffuse a 1000 ton bomb that fell near St Pauls Cathedral. This story was then juxtaposed by the equipment and training current bomb disposal units receive within the Royal Engineers and RLC.

Lord have mercy!  Whoever wrote that should be put out of our misery.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4301 on: 31 August, 2016, 12:03:15 pm »
A 1000 ton bomb proves that the Nazis were reverse-engineering UFO technology and makes me wonder how they ever lost the war.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4302 on: 31 August, 2016, 01:03:19 pm »
Must be pretty difficult to "diffuse" 1000 tons of bombiness.... it must spread over quite a wide area.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4303 on: 31 August, 2016, 04:24:37 pm »
was it tons or tonnes?

If it was the Germans, expect the latter being all metric and sensible etc.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4304 on: 01 September, 2016, 12:38:37 am »
It's not exactly a major difference. 2240 lbs or 2204.5. As long as the USsian 'ton' (called a short ton in real English, because it is) isn't meant, in which case don't go there. 907 kg IS NOT A TON!
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4305 on: 01 September, 2016, 08:15:58 am »
Whereas tonne is pronounce "tunny" to avoid ambiguity...

Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4306 on: 01 September, 2016, 08:20:25 am »
Quote from: Daily Media round-up email
The One Show (1900):
:-\ but John Logie Baird didn't invent the distascope until 1926?

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4307 on: 01 September, 2016, 08:35:35 am »
It's not exactly a major difference. 2240 lbs or 2204.5. As long as the USsian 'ton' (called a short ton in real English, because it is) isn't meant, in which case don't go there. 907 kg IS NOT A TON!

when you're looking at 2 million tonnes of gas a year giving around 5million tonnes of CO2 it make enough of a difference that the regulators would be passing out hefty fines for your error
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4308 on: 01 September, 2016, 09:47:15 am »
Aye, but given that your million is an approximation anyway you might as well say ton.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4309 on: 01 September, 2016, 11:32:58 am »
my "million" is not an approximation when I'm dealing with the real numbers.  It's a metered quantity to a pretty low uncertainty.  The tonne/ton issue is an error which would propagate through other calculations and is quite different.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4310 on: 01 September, 2016, 12:18:05 pm »
It's not exactly a major difference. 2240 lbs or 2204.5. As long as the USsian 'ton' (called a short ton in real English, because it is) isn't meant, in which case don't go there. 907 kg IS NOT A TON!

when you're looking at 2 million tonnes of gas a year giving around 5million tonnes of CO2 it make enough of a difference that the regulators would be passing out hefty fines for your error
Yes, but we weren't looking at that. Different context, different criteria.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4311 on: 01 September, 2016, 12:20:40 pm »
I can relate to that, ElyDave... The carbon factors I use in the Greenhouse Gas Emissions report I do annually are done to about 4 decimal places...  Luckily I've managed to largely automate the process, maybe I shouldn't have made it so easy for the person who takes over from me when my contract finishes very conveniently on 31st March.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4312 on: 14 September, 2016, 11:08:34 am »
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I was well into my second decade of journalism before I found out that “enormity” is a synonym for monstrosity or wickedness – not hugeness.
I'm surprised you can go through over ten years of professional writing without knowing that. Also that someone in the same situation might not realise that order of adjectives is (more or less) set.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/13/sentence-order-adjectives-rule-elements-of-eloquence-dictionary
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4313 on: 14 September, 2016, 12:18:01 pm »
I didn't know (or didn't know I know) the adjective order thing (not that I'm a writer). Not that I think the 'rule' is as rigid as suggested. Nor did I know until recently that there is an underlying rule of vowel order in ablaut constructions, namely -i-, -a-, -o-, eg Bish bash bosh, tick tock, hiphop, ding-dang-dong, ping-pong, flim-flam, mish-mash etc. Though I suppose it makes sense, as the tongue moves from the front to the back of the mouth.

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4314 on: 15 September, 2016, 10:42:27 am »
It also shows up in common verb patterns, ring rang rung. Though maybe that's coincidence.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4315 on: 15 September, 2016, 10:59:40 am »
I've just heard a TeamGB athlete refer to the "whole enormity" of the Rio experience  :o
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4316 on: 15 September, 2016, 11:32:34 am »
Stephen King's use of 'for awhile' is irritating in the extreme.

Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4317 on: 15 September, 2016, 01:13:11 pm »
I'm inured to It.

Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4318 on: 15 September, 2016, 02:33:45 pm »
 ;D  I'm not, It absolutely terrified me.

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4319 on: 17 September, 2016, 04:24:30 pm »
I liked that book. Must read it again.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4320 on: 19 September, 2016, 11:38:59 am »
This is an exciting period for grammar
it might drive you dotty


Gotta love "very similar to spoken speech" even if it is a proofo
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4321 on: 19 September, 2016, 12:20:36 pm »
- So you’re disillusioned with teaching punctuation?
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4322 on: 19 September, 2016, 12:49:20 pm »
Groan! Are you missing a comma after 'teaching'?  ;)

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4323 on: 20 September, 2016, 11:02:52 am »
Right, this one I think is actually wrong:
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Not being able to eat when he chose was one of the freedoms Beard had left behind in the foolish south.

To my mind, the not contradicts the sense of the sentence. He's in Spitsbergen, he hasn't eaten all day and he has to wait till the research ship serves dinner, so the freedom he has left behind is being able to eat when he chose. But the sense is clear anyway.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4324 on: 20 September, 2016, 12:47:49 pm »
I think the 'Not' shouldn't be there.
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