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Mr Larrington

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4700 on: 02 September, 2017, 12:41:13 pm »
Interestingly, spent Mr Larrington much childhood in Germany, where fronted adverbs commonplace are...

Nobbut two years, living on an estate full of BRITONS, going to a BRITISH skool and subsisting on food more often than not purchased from the NAAFI.  Interactions with actual Germans were rare.
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T42

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4701 on: 02 September, 2017, 01:35:38 pm »
I thought it was AAA points that were the measure of hurtage.

"Say AAAAAA - now, this won't hurt a bit."
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4702 on: 12 September, 2017, 10:28:27 am »
People writing tonne when they mean ton, as in it cost a tonne of money. It's a wonder they don't write it cost a tonne (0.984 Imperial long tons) of money.
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citoyen

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4703 on: 12 September, 2017, 10:40:39 am »
People writing tonne when they mean ton, as in it cost a tonne of money. It's a wonder they don't write it cost a tonne (0.984 Imperial long tons) of money.

One of my colleagues does this all the time. If I'm editing his copy, I usually change it to 'loads' or something else to avoid the issue.

I think it's a form of hypercorrection, whereby all units are pedantically expressed in metric even if used figuratively.

See also: hide your light under 36.387 litres, go the whole 8.23 metres, give them 2.54cm and they'll take 1,6km...
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4704 on: 12 September, 2017, 10:42:42 am »
People writing tonne when they mean ton, as in it cost a tonne of money. It's a wonder they don't write it cost a tonne (0.984 Imperial long tons) of money.

One of my colleagues does this all the time. If I'm editing his copy, I usually change it to 'loads' or something else to avoid the issue.

I think it's a form of hypercorrection, whereby all units are pedantically expressed in metric even if used figuratively.

See also: hiding your light under 36.387 litres, going the whole 8.23 metres, give them 2.54cm and they'll take 1,6km...
Going metric with the punctuation in the last one.  :thumbsup:
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citoyen

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4705 on: 12 September, 2017, 10:44:57 am »
Going metric with the punctuation in the last one.  :thumbsup:

Gives it an air of Gallic sophistication, innit.

Either that or I pressed the wrong key...
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4706 on: 12 September, 2017, 11:21:31 am »
See also: hide your light under 36.387 litres, go the whole 8.23 metres, give them 2.54cm and they'll take 1,6km...

Or 1.143 m up in Yorks.

I remember reading a novel by Philip José Farmer untold years ago in which he (or his editor) had stated every quantity in imperial with the metric equivalent in brackets after it, thus: "about a mile (1.6 km) up the river he could see...".  Kinda broke the rhythm.
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citoyen

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4707 on: 12 September, 2017, 12:04:54 pm »
Or 1.143 m up in Yorks.

Or 42cm if you go back to the oldest version of the saying.

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I remember reading a novel by Philip José Farmer untold years ago in which he (or his editor) had stated every quantity in imperial with the metric equivalent in brackets after it, thus: "about a mile (1.6 km) up the river he could see...".  Kinda broke the rhythm.

That really does make me cringe.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4708 on: 12 September, 2017, 12:31:07 pm »
It might make sense for non-fiction but in a novel it's beyond unhelpful.

I've never been keen on the spelling tonne and would prefer ton for both imperial and metric (and American and other) definitions, except where necessary to avoid confusion. And as spelling alone can't avoid confusion between Imperial and American, why use it for the far smaller difference between Imperial and metric?
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4709 on: 12 September, 2017, 01:02:31 pm »
Yebbut a ton isn't as big as a metric fucktonne, so a distinction must be made

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4710 on: 12 September, 2017, 01:26:31 pm »
Or 1.143 m up in Yorks.

Or 42cm if you go back to the oldest version of the saying.

Oh 'ell... what's that, a short metric cubit?
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4711 on: 12 September, 2017, 03:27:55 pm »
People writing tonne when they mean ton, as in it cost a tonne of money. It's a wonder they don't write it cost a tonne (0.984 Imperial long tons) of money.

maybe they do mean tonne? I deal in 1000kg tonnes all the time and am careful to use either the full spelling or te to avoid any Americanism or imperialism creeping in
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citoyen

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4712 on: 12 September, 2017, 03:41:10 pm »
People writing tonne when they mean ton, as in it cost a tonne of money. It's a wonder they don't write it cost a tonne (0.984 Imperial long tons) of money.

maybe they do mean tonne?

But do they mean a tonne of pennies or a tonne of £50 notes? It could make quite a difference.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4713 on: 12 September, 2017, 03:45:16 pm »
People writing tonne when they mean ton, as in it cost a tonne of money. It's a wonder they don't write it cost a tonne (0.984 Imperial long tons) of money.

maybe they do mean tonne? I deal in 1000kg tonnes all the time and am careful to use either the full spelling or te to avoid any Americanism or imperialism creeping in

No problem, it's a valid unit. But figurative use is misplaced.  I could give you a tun of examples. ;D
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ElyDave

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4714 on: 12 September, 2017, 09:15:34 pm »
I'm happy to be paid in beer, cuts out the middleman ;D
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4715 on: 15 September, 2017, 06:34:59 pm »
In this article http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-41279069

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Environment body Natural Resources Wales (NRW) said it discovered the remains of the hedgerow beech trees amounting to 200 metres cubed of felled timber.

I hate it when people say 'metres cubed', but writing it down makes me wince.

Edit - it's now been changed to 200 cubic metres.  :thumbsup:

Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4716 on: 23 September, 2017, 09:01:42 am »
I don't think this particular education tool has been used in the UK:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentence_diagram

Probably only in Computer Science.

Yup, formal language theory.  It has a weird beauty normally only found in the further reaches of outer space.  It is computer science, underpinning formal verification of computer programs you really don't want to have failing on you.  The Vienna Development Method is an early approach to program proving.  If you thought writing software was easy.. although most programs in commerce are written by guess and by god.
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Mr Larrington

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4717 on: 24 September, 2017, 07:06:04 am »

P9230248 by Mr Larrington, on Flickr

It rather looks as though some nincomfuck has tried to correct a sign which was already right...
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4718 on: 24 September, 2017, 09:22:00 am »
... up to the last sentence
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Re: Grammar that makes you vomit
« Reply #4719 on: 24 September, 2017, 11:20:16 am »
"Insane" when the perpetrator means "rather unusual". Sure, the public fixes on such expressions now and then - I remember when the mildly surprising was constantly described as amaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazing in the 80s - but this latest fad is even more idiotic. :sick:
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Mr Larrington

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4720 on: 24 September, 2017, 03:13:26 pm »
See also "awesome" as an adjective meaning anything from "jaw-droppingly, mind-buggeringly amazingly amazing" to "a bit different".  Doubly so if you hail from the part of California south of I-80.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4721 on: 25 September, 2017, 10:09:16 am »
My former boss was 'Awesome George' on account that he awesomed everything. Eventually, he had to default to 'super awesome' to cover those situations that weren't just mildly awesome.

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4722 on: 25 September, 2017, 10:40:38 am »
I rather think that "insane" is the new "awesome". They're both "awful".
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citoyen

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4723 on: 25 September, 2017, 12:45:40 pm »
Here's one we discussed earlier...

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4724 on: 25 September, 2017, 02:38:30 pm »
^^Hard disks are getting heavier due to the zillions of electrons they carry :facepalm: