Author Topic: "Coming of age" books and films  (Read 9555 times)

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Re: "Coming of age" books and films
« Reply #25 on: 02 July, 2010, 07:15:38 pm »
Except that Piggie's glasses could never start a fire, and here endeth the lesson (and the book, as far as I was concerned).   ;D

Coming of age book?  The Bible's actually pretty good if you can stand it.

The Owl Service and Red Shift (obviously!) - books about love and fate, and whether you can escape them.
Another vote for Kurt Vonnegut Jr - but I'd add in some thing like 'Slapstick - or Lonesome No More' for the lighter relief, too.  (I too use the words 'hey ho' to punctuate boredom, even now)

When the Wind Blows - to show him just how frightened we could be.

Two books from my youth which may or may not still be available - Paul Zindel's The Pigman, and Pardon Me You're Stepping On My Eyeball.  Neither is great literature, but my memory of them is that Zindel does "alienated angsty teen" like noone else - apart from perhaps Alan Garner.  I read Zindel before Garner, and the fact that I still read Garner, but not Zindel, may indicate their relative worth in my head.

Films?  Oh! What a Lovely War. 

I'll probably think of some more to add later.
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Re: "Coming of age" books and films
« Reply #26 on: 02 July, 2010, 07:46:31 pm »
Films?  Oh! What a Lovely War. 

Good call, but I'd say a DVD of Blackadder Goes Forth now beats it.
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Re: "Coming of age" books and films
« Reply #27 on: 02 July, 2010, 08:15:56 pm »
Except that Piggie's glasses could never start a fire, and here endeth the lesson (and the book, as far as I was concerned).   ;D

That completely spoiled the film for me (and we saw the film at school prior to reading the book).
Having had to wear glasses since I was ten and being most upset that I couldn't set fire to things...


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Re: "Coming of age" books and films
« Reply #28 on: 02 July, 2010, 08:38:38 pm »
If they can handle the French, the Pagnol "Water of the Hills" pairing (Jean/Manon), or his autobiog ones (just the first two).
Starship Troopers by Heinlein for a different view, matched with The Forever War by Haldeman.
The Railway Man by Lomax for a lesson in inhumanity, twinned with Anne Frank's diary for a reminder that the sprirt still soars.

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Re: "Coming of age" books and films
« Reply #29 on: 02 July, 2010, 09:16:40 pm »
My mum gave me a book - it was the first grown up book I had read, made all the more important by my dad questioning her about me being old enough for it.

Papillon.
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Not sure if it is really a coming of age thing - though it was for me.

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Re: "Coming of age" books and films
« Reply #30 on: 03 July, 2010, 02:39:54 pm »
I did find it amusing that when there was the '100 greatest books' thing a while back, bot my wife and I (science graduates)had read more of them than her english lit graduate sister.

And the flipside of that is, it's acceptable for arts grads to be totally ignorant of science  ::-)

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Re: "Coming of age" books and films
« Reply #31 on: 03 July, 2010, 06:32:54 pm »
Watch Dead Poets Society.
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Re: "Coming of age" books and films
« Reply #32 on: 03 July, 2010, 08:15:53 pm »
Star Wars.

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Re: "Coming of age" books and films
« Reply #34 on: 03 July, 2010, 09:34:35 pm »
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Definitely.  First play on Channel 4, IIRC.  Back in the days when it was a decent channel.

I tried watching Oh! What a Lovely War! with the lads, but they really didn't get it. :(

I agree with reading the Bible as a teenager, and the Qu'ran, Upanisads, and Dhammapada while you're doing.
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« Reply #35 on: 03 July, 2010, 10:36:57 pm »
Definitely.  First play on Channel 4, IIRC.  Back in the days when it was a decent channel.

With the added bonus that (I'm pretty sure) a fair bit of the footage was shot not a million miles from where you currently find yourself  :).

Re: "Coming of age" books and films
« Reply #36 on: 04 July, 2010, 12:36:01 pm »
I can remember reading a lot of Car magazine, the NME and the occasional nudie mag, conveniently discarded in a layby close to the M6, that we passed on the way home from school. Favourite films at the time were The Producers and Billy Liar. Years later the only film that looks like the period I grew up in is Ang Lee's 'The Ice Storm'.

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Re: "Coming of age" books and films
« Reply #37 on: 04 July, 2010, 12:54:55 pm »
Billy Liar

Of course! How could I have forgotten that. Such a great film. And with so much to say about growing up.

It doesn't matter how many times I watch it (and I've seen it lots of times), I still find myself hoping that this time he'll get on the train...  :'(

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Re: "Coming of age" books and films
« Reply #38 on: 04 July, 2010, 03:00:49 pm »
Billy Liar

Of course! How could I have forgotten that. Such a great film. And with so much to say about growing up.

It doesn't matter how many times I watch it (and I've seen it lots of times), I still find myself hoping that this time he'll get on the train...  :'(

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John Schlesinger was one of a number of directors who made 'coming of age' films in the 60s. Sexual liberation, the end of conscription, youth culture, the expansion of higher education, women's liberation and the wartime demographic bulge all combined to produce a perfect storm for the emergence into adulthood. The result was a glut of exceptional films and the colonising of the genre by that particular generation. A common theme was the lack of privacy due to housing problems, a contemporary resonance is 'kidult' culture and adults in their 20s living with parents.

I've no idea what constitutes a 'coming of age' movie for an audience for whom a lot of the issues of the 1960s have been settled. I suspect that 'gross out' and horror/vampire movies might be significant, anything that deals with the messy transition to sexual maturity.

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Re: "Coming of age" books and films
« Reply #39 on: 04 July, 2010, 04:03:48 pm »
Oh yes. Absolutely. Lindsay Anderson's If... is another that I watched over and over in my teenage years. And Tony Richardson's Tom Jones and The Loneliness Of The Long Distance Runner.

And, of course, there were the New Wave French directors who the English directors of the 60s got all their ideas from... Truffaut's Les 400 Coups, being the obvious example.

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Re: "Coming of age" books and films
« Reply #40 on: 04 July, 2010, 04:18:04 pm »
American Pie ::-)
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Re: "Coming of age" books and films
« Reply #41 on: 04 July, 2010, 05:13:14 pm »
There will be a move towards emerging countries as they experience what hit Britain in the 60s. A number of the same themes are bound to emerge, Slumdog Millionaire being something of a bridge.
I'm a sucker for a good outsider film, Amelie being a very good example, and one that would work very well in a contemporary Chinese setting; emerging into society in an emerging society, you could also work in elements of 'The Apartment', alienation being a major theme in the genre.

Re: "Coming of age" books and films
« Reply #42 on: 04 July, 2010, 05:26:16 pm »
The Breakfast Club

Ferris Bueller's Day off

Logan's Run (purely for the breasts), mind you with the internet, kids can probably see them any time they want now.

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Re: "Coming of age" books and films
« Reply #43 on: 04 July, 2010, 05:32:04 pm »
I've never seen Logan's Run, but I will now.  Thanks geraldc  :thumbsup:
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Re: "Coming of age" books and films
« Reply #44 on: 04 July, 2010, 05:49:33 pm »
Contemporary TV programmes such as The Simpsons, Family Guy and Glee are chock full of coming of age issues, in a small town setting. Moving away is the dominant 'Coming of Age' motif, as in.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/barLaHrtvoM&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/barLaHrtvoM&rel=1</a>
escaping the stifling morals of small town life. Whereas throughout most of human history having kids was the moment of growing up, which usually meant being more reliant on family. 'The Graduate' is one of the purer coming of age movies.

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Re: "Coming of age" books and films
« Reply #45 on: 05 July, 2010, 02:02:58 pm »
I didn't grow up in New Zealand, but for some reason I read The boys of Puhawai when I was quite young. It made me wish I was in NZ and taught me quite a bit. I also remember reading the Australian novel, Storm Boy, which had a similar effect.

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Re: "Coming of age" books and films
« Reply #46 on: 05 July, 2010, 02:25:29 pm »
The Breakfast Club

Ferris Bueller's Day off

Interestingly, I saw both again recently, having seen neither for years. I loved Ferris Bueller but found The Breakfast Club pretty painful viewing, even though I liked it more than Ferris Bueller back in the day. I think The Breakfast Club is one of those where you really do need to be of the right age to enjoy it - probably 14-16?

And it feels very uncomfortable looking at Molly Ringwald and remembering how I felt about her all those years ago... she's sooo young in that film! (These days, I think I'd be more likely to go for the Ally Sheedy character. ;) )

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Re: "Coming of age" books and films
« Reply #47 on: 05 July, 2010, 03:28:32 pm »
Walkabout
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Re: "Coming of age" books and films
« Reply #48 on: 05 July, 2010, 05:56:09 pm »
Quadrophenia and Saturday Night Fever make a good pairing. I knew some kids who were heavily into the Northern Soul scene at Wigan Casino and these films remind me of them.

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Re: "Coming of age" books and films
« Reply #49 on: 05 July, 2010, 06:26:05 pm »
To Kill a Mockingbird.

edit: mattc beat me to it. I was "lucky" enough to study this for O level but didn't actually see the fillum until earlier this year.
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I was taught some awful book of short stories for O level. Then I found out that the other set were doing Mockingbird, which sounded rather good. It didn't take long to read it, then realise I had more chance of answering questions about it, even without any 'teaching'. So I did the usual learn-2-or-3-key-quotes thing and answered the relevant questions on the day. I doubt I could ever have remembered enough crap about the short stories - I pity anyone else who hated their set books for English Lit.
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