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General Category => Audax => Topic started by: Tomsk on 20 January, 2013, 12:01:40 pm

Title: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Tomsk on 20 January, 2013, 12:01:40 pm
   Heads up folks: Got the go-ahead for my new 600, 'The Flatlands'. Up and down the east of England, so as the name suggests, flat[ish]. I hope this will satisfy the demand for an easier 600 [is there such a thing - bearing in mind the second slowest 600 I ever did was Cambridge-York-Cambridge, with headwinds both ways!]

   I'd have arranged it for July, but needed to avoid LEL and other commitments, so there will be a rather longer September night to contend with, but on the other hand, a summer of touring should see fitness at a peak....?

    The routesheet details are still tba, but the controls are: Dunmow, Red Lodge, Whittlesey, Boston, Kirton-in-Lindsey, Goole, Gainsborough, Sleaford, Chatteris, Potton, Dunmow. I hope to have a Friday night sleepover and breakfast arranged at the Church Hall; lots of good cafes en-route and also inevitably, a couple of 24-hour garages. X-rated and probably pub/cafe/shop/atm at the finish, [selfishly, so I can ride too.]

   There is now a Flitchbikes SR for 2013; I'll have to see about medals.....
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Gaddi on 20 January, 2013, 12:20:02 pm
Hmmm - very tempting, as it sounds like a good first 600k... But perhaps I'm mad to even contemplate a first 300k, 400k and 600k in my second year of audaxing - will have to ponder on this one  :-\
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Veloman on 20 January, 2013, 12:26:24 pm
Hmmm - very tempting, as it sounds like a good first 600k... But perhaps I'm mad to even contemplate a first 300k, 400k and 600k in my second year of audaxing - will have to ponder on this one  :-\

Not mad at all.  If you are absolutely brand new to cycling, then a challenge it will be, but it looks like you are not brand new and are looking at moving to longer distances in your second year of audaxing.

I believe it is largely in the mind (once you have got the comfort side sorted of saddle/backside interface) and if you don't go too mad speed wise and blow up, you will complete those events.  Clearly, getting used to riding at night will be a new challenge, but it's something I quite enjoy, and it just needs some thought on equipment and kit.

Go for it!
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Hillbilly on 20 January, 2013, 12:32:52 pm
Does it have AAA points?

More seriously, it is good to see a late season ride over 200km.  There is a definite lack of longer rides after July (although there are stray 300s and 400s) despite it being perfectly feasible to ride well into September - after all, the Equinox isn't until late September.

That said, other plans mean I won't be able to do this year's event but will no doubt find myself attracted to it next year (I've plans to "go far" next year).  As such, hope the 2013 edition goes well.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: marcusjb on 20 January, 2013, 12:51:11 pm
Hmmm.

Interesting and good to see a late(ish) season 600.

Weather in September tends to be pretty favourable.

I am interested.

Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: L CC on 20 January, 2013, 01:26:32 pm
Make it a BRM 1000k and I'm there!

Seriously, it's a riding weekend, so we'll probably ride. Unless we're burnt out by then, in which case I'll run a control for you, if you like.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Tomsk on 20 January, 2013, 01:52:17 pm
Make it a BRM 1000k and I'm there!

Seriously, it's a riding weekend, so we'll probably ride. Unless we're burnt out by then, in which case I'll run a control for you, if you like.

Thanks boab - the only really X control is at Kirton, as the co-op closes at 22:00, bit far to go for you? In the spirit of X events, there's always an atm later on.....

Possibly not a good first time 600 if you have bum-comfort issues - you'll spend a lot of time on that saddle and will be longing for a few hills!
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Gaddi on 20 January, 2013, 02:24:14 pm
Possibly not a good first time 600 if you have bum-comfort issues - you'll spend a lot of time on that saddle and will be longing for a few hills!
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I doubt any 600k a is good first one if you have 'bum-comfort' issues...
Will have to wait and see what work-commitments arise, but otherwise will be there, I think. Thanks, Veloman, for your considered encouragement  :)
Irm
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: L CC on 20 January, 2013, 02:27:13 pm
Does that control have my name on it...  ;)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6072/6115671909_1a830872dc.jpg)
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Ray 6701 on 20 January, 2013, 02:56:53 pm
Definitely interested.  Pity its the same weekend as our Tamworth rides  :(
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Lars on 20 January, 2013, 03:02:58 pm
Excellent! If the seasn goes as planned definitely interested. This event fills two major gaps in the AUK calendar - a late season 600 and a 600 HQ'd in East Anglia!  big :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: teethgrinder on 20 January, 2013, 03:03:55 pm
Oooooh gooody!

A new 600. :D

I might even be tempted to join in with this one. I'll see if I can do the Milton Keynes September DIY job late in the month so that if any novice doesn't manage it, they can recover and have one last chance.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: PloddinPedro on 20 January, 2013, 04:36:03 pm
................................ flat[ish]. .............
Hmmm, yummy!

Only problem is I'm booked for our annual Old Farts' Tour that week, returning home Saturday morning from Diss. Might be able to finesse it though.

Definitely like the idea.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: rob on 20 January, 2013, 05:54:54 pm
Interested as I'm struggling for a 600 this year and was going to opt for a perm.

It is the weekend after the KCA 12hr which may cause me to struggle a little.   Will make a decision as we get towards the Summer.



Rob
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: nightrider on 20 January, 2013, 06:01:40 pm
Tom are you organising a 400 ride this year?
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Old Git on 20 January, 2013, 06:13:36 pm
 :thumbsup: If I have finished the LEL by then  ;D
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Martin on 20 January, 2013, 06:17:32 pm
Tom are you organising a 400 ride this year?

yes; Asparagus and Strawberries in May ( I'm in)

not sure if I need another 600; it would put me 3 SR's away from an UR (which stands for something else to me!)
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Tomsk on 20 January, 2013, 07:20:40 pm
Tom are you organising a 400 ride this year?

Flitchbikes 50/100/200km, Green & Yellow Fields 300, Hereward the Wake 300, Asparagus & Strawberries 400, The Flatlands 600. Funny that I'm organising 2 x 300s - its always been my least fave distance, possibly because of the typical early start & late finish. That's why I've gone for midnight and 9pm starts respectively - suit me sir ;D
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Tomsk on 20 January, 2013, 07:24:13 pm
Does that control have my name on it...  ;)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6072/6115671909_1a830872dc.jpg)

Ohhh yesss...you have to control Lindsay's Bakery in Potton - this is YOUR ride!
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: SR Steve on 20 January, 2013, 09:48:45 pm
I had the Tamworth "Wem we get there" pencilled in for the Saturday, but I am now likely to be led astray by this one. :demon:
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: arabella on 20 January, 2013, 10:58:26 pm
Taller guy's 17th birthday is around then (exact date not included for internet security reasons), I'll be on mummy duty.
Next year otoh...

For a non-BRM 1000 over similar terrain, there is the great eastern perm:  South mimms to scotch corner.  It gets you a lovely AUK badge when put together with your other AUK something 5000 stuff.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: RichForrest on 21 January, 2013, 07:08:50 am
Or for a 1000 in the Netherlands, Zoetermeer - Paris - Zoetermeer has just shown up in my FB feed.

Rich
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 21 January, 2013, 01:29:43 pm
Or for a 1000 in the Netherlands, Zoetermeer - Paris - Zoetermeer has just shown up in my FB feed.

Rich
Is there a link for that one. I quite like The Netherlands
BB
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Old Git on 21 January, 2013, 01:35:09 pm
I like it because its FLAT  ;D
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 21 January, 2013, 01:39:34 pm
I like it because its FLAT  ;D
No because they drink a lot of beer!
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Old Git on 21 January, 2013, 01:47:15 pm
I like it because its FLAT  ;D
No because they drink a lot of beer!

Do they ??? ??? ::-) ::-)
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: eeymsmo on 21 January, 2013, 02:09:21 pm
Liking the sound of this one. I'm seem to get a 2nd wind in September and a proper long calendar ride would work nicely.

And it's not far off 200km each way from home as well if I fancied doing something really silly.......
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Old Git on 21 January, 2013, 02:51:41 pm
Tomsk,
Is this event postal only or will PayPal be available later in the year?
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: rob on 21 January, 2013, 03:21:37 pm
Or for a 1000 in the Netherlands, Zoetermeer - Paris - Zoetermeer has just shown up in my FB feed.

Rich
Is there a link for that one. I quite like The Netherlands
BB

http://www.mrpbp.nl/pagina58.html

Same club that organised the Dutch Capitals 1400 which I did last year.   Trying to get a pass for this and LEL this year.


Rob
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: bloomers100 on 21 January, 2013, 03:39:07 pm
Very expert positioning in the calendar Tomsk, nice one. I'll let you know.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Old Git on 21 January, 2013, 04:12:44 pm
Tomsk

Would it be a good idea to start an "Essex SR" tread, where ideas, tips and banter can be exchanged
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Tomsk on 21 January, 2013, 08:24:13 pm
Essex SR thread about to be started :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Tomsk on 22 January, 2013, 08:32:57 am
Paypal now up and running  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: huggy on 17 February, 2013, 07:59:08 am
I have a pass stamped  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: marcusjb on 17 February, 2013, 08:36:57 am
This is looking more and more likely for me. 

I need another 600 to go hyper this year and other options look a bit harder in terms of time and money. Could be a great end to the season.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: BlackSheep on 17 February, 2013, 09:09:22 am
.....................................  There is a definite lack of longer rides after July (although there are stray 300s and 400s) despite it being perfectly feasible to ride well into September - after all, the Equinox isn't until late September.
Andy Utley organised a September 600 in 2002 - "The Reading 600", a great time of the year to have a longer-than-usual bike ride.

A lovely route, with a bit of everything (weatherwise), culminating on the Saturday evening watching a spectacular thunerstorm from the top of Hackpen Hill. Whilst Andy was serving-up refreshments.

On the Sunday afternoon, I seem to remember a group of us having ice-creams and cold drinks at the last on-the-road control at Hungerford.

I must have been going well, I finished in a group with Mr. Teethgrinder.



You've inspired me Tomsk  :thumbsup:, I think I might put on a 600 - and see what it's all about.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Tomsk on 22 February, 2013, 06:27:14 pm
Thanks for all the positive comments  :thumbsup:

The routesheet and information has been uploaded to AUK after a route check last weekend. There should be some sort of award for the most breakfasts consumed on a 600, as I've researched lots of extra cafes/Wetherspoons, especially for Sunday morning! It might be a shoestring event, but it could get expensive!

There IS an AWFUL lot of flat, as you'd expect, but please forgive the odd proper hill, especially Foxby Hill from Gainsborough, Canwick Hill out of Lincoln and some rolling lumps in N Herts & Essex. It will be a little more than 2km over distance, due to avoiding the A15/16/17 etc, but hey, the general lack of hills must be in my favour! There are some cobbled streets to wake you up in Lincoln city centre, which should be fun too!
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Bendy Bianchi on 23 February, 2013, 08:22:17 pm
For my first 600 an awful lot of flat will do just fine...
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: L CC on 23 February, 2013, 08:34:19 pm
Before people get carried away on the notion of muchos flat, remember that flat generally means horrendous headwinds with nowhere to hide, and your posterior gets double the damage as there's no climbing relief.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: rob on 23 February, 2013, 09:06:46 pm
Do we come through Lincoln on the way South ?

I can line myself up with a bed for Saturday night.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: wilkyboy on 24 February, 2013, 07:47:04 pm
Do we come through Lincoln on the way South ?

I can line myself up with a bed for Saturday night.

Yes   :thumbsup:

Route sheet also lists various three-star and four-star "hotels" en route in the Branston and Digby areas; no booking required, apparently, just drop in.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: rob on 26 February, 2013, 09:07:02 am
Have now had time to peruse the routesheet and enter.

I shall skip the scenic tour of the centre of Lincoln as I'm there quite regularly.   A brisk ride on Saturday should get me 2-3 hrs kip at my parents place and then 200k home on Sunday.   Should make for a pleasant end to the season.


Rob
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Vs4b on 27 February, 2013, 02:51:30 pm
I'm thinking of giving this a go. I've not done an audax before, hoping to do a 200 and 300 during the summer but I've never done anything like 600 km before. Last year I did four rides over 200 km including a longest of 150 miles, that took me 10 hours moving plus 90 mins of stops. I'm worried about lack of sleep mainly as well as the distance. I commute a 50 mile round trip twice a week, hopefully three times in the spring. I could do with some encouragement that it's not a crazy idea....

Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: marcusjb on 27 February, 2013, 03:04:03 pm
I'm thinking of giving this a go. I've not done an audax before, hoping to do a 200 and 300 during the summer but I've never done anything like 600 km before. Last year I did four rides over 200 km including a longest of 150 miles, that took me 10 hours moving plus 90 mins of stops. I'm worried about lack of sleep mainly as well as the distance. I commute a 50 mile round trip twice a week, hopefully three times in the spring. I could do with some encouragement that it's not a crazy idea....

It's not a crazy idea.

 ;)

240km in 11.5 hours is a pretty reasonable time all in all (and more than quick enough for a 600km event).  I haven't looked into the flatlands route much yet - but you'll be able to book a cheap hotel somewhere for sleep (many events have a hall or whatever to sleep, but this is a no-mod cons X-rated event).  Somewhere about 350-400km is right for most people to grab a few hours kip. 

It sounds like you'll be fine! 
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Chris S on 27 February, 2013, 03:18:48 pm
Before people get carried away on the notion of muchos flat, remember that flat generally means horrendous headwinds with nowhere to hide, and your posterior gets double the damage as there's no climbing relief.

Not to mention, hours and hours of unbelievable tedium! Boab and I have found you need extras on rides in the flatlands:

A tandem helps a lot ;)
A full moon
Some Disco choons or Rhianna
A little atmospheric shallow mist
Owls
Interesting Bridges
Drunks in town centres (as long as they're well behaved - and they usually are).
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: tonyh on 27 February, 2013, 06:37:04 pm
or Rhianna

??? when Boab's there already?   Boab wins easily, Rhianna totally superfluous!
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 27 February, 2013, 06:51:31 pm
If Rhianna is necessary, that is a ride to avoid. The voices in my head provide enough of a soundtrack, though I sometimes accompany them.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: mattc on 27 February, 2013, 06:54:23 pm
If Rhianna is necessary, that is a ride to avoid. The voices in my head provide enough of a soundtrack, though I sometimes accompany them.

Can you tell when you're doing it yet?
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 27 February, 2013, 06:55:16 pm
The voices start to complain...
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Dave_C on 22 May, 2013, 10:29:43 am
Just a note so my mob app follows this thread.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Dave_C on 22 May, 2013, 10:51:52 am
Cool, just read through the whole thread. I have an SR booked and nearly ridden (apart from the Snow Roads 300 & Deeside Lass 600) for this year, but I plan to ride a DIY400 in July so with this I could just find another 300, and I may have two full SR's. I'm new to Audaxing so I'll have to have another read of the handbook to see if I'm a 1/200 short of some x000 award for the year?
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: jogler on 22 May, 2013, 10:58:13 am
Do we come through Lincoln on the way South ?

I can line myself up with a bed for Saturday night.

Yes   :thumbsup:

Route sheet also lists various three-star and four-star "hotels" en route in the Branston and Digby areas; no booking required, apparently, just drop in.

I know the location of an excellent audax-specific accommodation just north of Lincoln.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Tomsk on 10 June, 2013, 09:39:43 am
Several people chasing the Essex SR medal can't make this weekend, so there will probably be a 'Helper's Ride' one side or the other. The weekend before would be preferred from my point of view to check the route. I might even ride it myself, instead of on the 7th.

There will be a 'Pyjama Party' on the evening of Friday 6th September at St Mary's Centre, with breakfast from about 05:00, whether you've stayed over or arrived on the day. You'll be able to leave stuff there, but collected afterwards from my house, just up the road....
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: PloddinPedro on 10 June, 2013, 11:41:44 am
............ there will probably be a 'Helper's Ride' one side or the other. The weekend before would be preferred from my point of view ..............

That sounds good. I can't be a 'Helper' or ride on the 7th/8th weekend because of a clash with a holiday booking, but a ride on 31st Aug/1st Sept could be doable !
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Old Git on 02 August, 2013, 05:13:59 pm
Anyone got a gpx route for is??
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: PAC on 02 August, 2013, 08:58:42 pm
Right..... Need to get a 600k in this season, so I'm entering this one ;D
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: SR Steve on 03 August, 2013, 09:20:36 am
I have just entered. Hope it's a bit cooler and less windy than on LEL.

Big red van heading down from Nottinghamshire.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: L CC on 03 August, 2013, 10:26:57 am
I think we're going to enter, provided I can find a small enough portable DVD player.
I've totally had my fill of the fens and will need distracting. Of course, if there's company it may be less bad. Maybe.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: mcshroom on 03 August, 2013, 10:31:20 am
Hmm I've buggered up two rides over 400km this year. Now wondering whether to have another shot :-\
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Bairdy on 03 August, 2013, 10:40:29 am
Tempted, I'm off work but will have to see what my Lady says.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: bikey-mikey on 03 August, 2013, 12:24:10 pm
I might find the time, and it would seal my d'hyper...
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: delthebike on 03 August, 2013, 12:48:46 pm
I've been working on gpx files, one per stage, but they are coming out slightly over distance to the distance printed on the route sheet. (not sure if I've gone wrong (probably) or it's bikehike/google measurements.

First four stages, to Kirton in Lindsey, use at your peril!!! BwahahahaHA  :demon:

flat001 (http://www.bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?lnk=http://www.sig.ukfsn.org/flatauk/flat001.gpx)
flat002 (http://www.bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?lnk=http://www.sig.ukfsn.org/flatauk/flat002.gpx)
flat003 (http://www.bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?lnk=http://www.sig.ukfsn.org/flatauk/flat003.gpx)
flat004 (http://www.bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?lnk=http://www.sig.ukfsn.org/flatauk/flat004.gpx)

ETA:
Here are the remaining stages 5 to 10-arrivee.
flat005 (http://www.bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?lnk=http://www.sig.ukfsn.org/flatauk/flat005.gpx)
flat006 (http://www.bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?lnk=http://www.sig.ukfsn.org/flatauk/flat006.gpx)
flat007 (http://www.bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?lnk=http://www.sig.ukfsn.org/flatauk/flat007.gpx)
flat008 (http://www.bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?lnk=http://www.sig.ukfsn.org/flatauk/flat008.gpx)
flat009 (http://www.bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?lnk=http://www.sig.ukfsn.org/flatauk/flat009.gpx)
flat010 arrivee (http://www.bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?lnk=http://www.sig.ukfsn.org/flatauk/flat010.gpx)

and relax.  ;)

ETA: These no longer work, they were removed shortly after the ride ended! They were written for the 2013 edition of this audax not for any future editions.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: BikinOn on 03 August, 2013, 12:58:23 pm
Wel I've signed up, it'll be my first 600k - presuming I finish!

Thank god someone's doing a GPX I'm still working on a file for a 400k I'm doing  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: TurboTippy on 03 August, 2013, 01:06:12 pm
I'd like to enter this, last chance to get an SR for this year. Had to pull out of LEL due to a knee issue, if Doc and Physio give me the go-ahead I hope to be there. Any full value riders want company?
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Lars on 03 August, 2013, 01:27:47 pm
Plan to do this to get the Essex SR medal. Plus it would make me hyperactive. Plus now with LEL done I only need a 1,000 for Brevet 5,000. If I wait with a 1,000 til next year I need to do another arrow as the one I've done will fall outside the time window...

So now if I ECE this to a 1,000 that would seal it. Could get home from work, have dinner and then do a 150k overnight Tour De Garages to Dunmow. Travelodge 300k into the 600, finish the 600 and bike back 50k home on Sun. Take Monday off and roll around one of my DIY 200 routes. Hmmm.

And it doesn't end there. If I do that with the 68 points I'll have after LEL Rando 10,000 is within reach with a mix of cal rides ECEd and DIYs...

Argh! It just goes on and on and on and on and on...  :demon:
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: delthebike on 03 August, 2013, 04:24:31 pm
Arse! I kludged the flat0##.gpx files together into one BIG file and it makes a route 640km long, in bikehike and gpxeditor. A little bit over distance, where'd I go wrong?  :facepalm:
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: OrangeAndy on 03 August, 2013, 10:33:24 pm
Need head examining, what have I done, only entered a 600 when I'll have only have 200's in the lead up. Well it was the chance of battling more of the Fenland headwinds I couldn't resist ;D

OrangeAndy
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Tomsk on 04 August, 2013, 04:00:37 pm
Think it will come out a 'bit' [in Tomsk-ride terms] over distance, due to the minimum distance rule. But then you don't want to be using main roads like the A17 and the terrain IS generally nice and flat and easy. You'll need a strategy for dealing with the monotony of some of it [see fboab above]. I'm thinking along the lines of an Essex peloton involving BEER  :facepalm:
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Phil W on 04 August, 2013, 04:43:17 pm
Tomsk where do you need helpers. Keen to put something back after all the help us LELrs got from the volunteers.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: i cycle on 04 August, 2013, 05:44:00 pm
I've signed up just need an other 400 to do a double SR for the year.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Bairdy on 04 August, 2013, 06:21:47 pm
Where would be favourable for a sleep stop on this ride?
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Chris S on 04 August, 2013, 06:30:42 pm
Where would be favourable for a sleep stop on this ride?

Somewhere between Gainsborough and Sleaford, but the 'Lodges are all very spendy. No idea why. Sleaford? It's a cabbage packing factory FFS.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: L CC on 04 August, 2013, 07:12:08 pm
It's quite overdistance- Gainsboro, nominally 356km is actually 376 as ridden.

Looking like the audax hotels will need to be pre booked.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Bairdy on 04 August, 2013, 07:40:43 pm
Dunno what to do.
I fancy it, Flatlands are indeed a welcome change but it'll be four days including travel and cost a few quid.
I could do a couple of 300k perms locally.  :-\
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: L CC on 04 August, 2013, 07:59:33 pm
I've just plotted it out and I don't think I can ride it. I'll be clawing my eyes out before we get to Spalding, and sitting in a corner rocking if we ever make it as far as Gainsborough.

And I make the total distance 637km, climbing 3152m- mostly in the first and last 50km.

Rough routes here (http://ridewithgps.com/routes/2996401) and here (http://ridewithgps.com/routes/2996534)

Doesn't follow the routesheet exactly but close enough, and does include the riverside path by the River Witham which skirts Woodall Spa and is entirely bike-friendly.

I want the badge but I don't think I want it enough to suffer this lot. Sorry Tomsk.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: simonp on 04 August, 2013, 11:46:35 pm
Long time since I rode a properly flat 600k.

Would quite like to go hyper and might be able to fit it into my schedule. Will have to see.

I enjoyed the return flat on LEL because there was plenty company. It also makes a change now I live in Somerset rather than being more of the same as when I lived in Cambridge.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: jefmcg on 06 August, 2013, 02:24:43 pm
I may never cycle again (haven't been on my bike since cycling to Market Rasen station last Thursday) but if I do, I think I may have a crack at this and try to salvage my first Audaxing year with a (an?) SR.

(OK, I'd have to knock out a 400 before the end of the year, but how hard can that be?)
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: yanto on 06 August, 2013, 03:06:46 pm
Looks like my retirement from Audax might a short one!  Seriously considering this but my availability on the 8th will be a decider.

 
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: jsabine on 06 August, 2013, 03:24:15 pm
Yes, well, I think I might have to be in for this. Was contemplating it anyway as I had big ideas of a second SR - but given the first depended on LEL and I scraped round that well out of time, this would be the obvious choice. Just not sure I can face yet more flatlands headwinds.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: MAC on 06 August, 2013, 03:30:36 pm
Possibly up for this as I want a 600 this year to give me a Randonneur 2500 award. The Holl and Back 600 and I do have unfinished business though. A calendar event rather than a perm would be good however. Must speak to SWMBO...
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: marcusjb on 06 August, 2013, 03:48:07 pm
I'd raised my hand for this ride, and it sounds like it'll be a good sociable experience.  But the flat parts of LEL frankly scarred me, so I've decided to give it a miss and tackle something with a little more elevation that week:

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2891/9452608778_bed9a5c474_b.jpg)

(just to be clear, the scale on the left is metres, not feet)(I am flipping scared!)

Enjoy the flat stuff - I'll be jealously thinking of you all!
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: mcshroom on 06 August, 2013, 05:52:24 pm
Raid Pyrenees? That's not in the UK anyway.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Tomsk on 08 August, 2013, 08:21:55 am
Just a little reminder that there will be a pyjama party the night before at the hall, with breakfast from 05:00

Also there's likely to be a 'helper's ride' the following weekend - let me know if you are interested in this.....

I just need to get some fitness back to ride it, the last few weeks have been very taken up with the LEL control and now I'm using most of my spare time doing some painting and decorating for my Mum.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: tonyh on 08 August, 2013, 12:23:33 pm
Hmmm.... perhaps could have a go at this... probably in London till Friday 6th... further thinking being done!
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: tonyh on 08 August, 2013, 01:15:23 pm
Entered :)

(Strong candidate for Lanterne Rouge.)
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: teethgrinder on 08 August, 2013, 08:34:04 pm
Just a little reminder that there will be a pyjama party the night before at the hall, with breakfast from 05:00

Also there's likely to be a 'helper's ride' the following weekend - let me know if you are interested in this.....

I just need to get some fitness back to ride it, the last few weeks have been very taken up with the LEL control and now I'm using most of my spare time doing some painting and decorating for my Mum.

I'll be riding over from Milton Keynes so won't arrive till very late, is that OK or shall I find a quiet corner of the countryside and crawl into my sleeping bag?
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Tomsk on 08 August, 2013, 09:11:17 pm
I'll be riding over from Milton Keynes so won't arrive till very late, is that OK or shall I find a quiet corner of the countryside and crawl into my sleeping bag?

I'll leave the door unlocked - you can kip downstairs in the lobby if you don't want to risk disturbing others upstairs. But I'll be at home up the road  :smug:

Reminder - bring a decent lock as there isn't room to park bikes indoors overnight. You can collect heavy locks and any left luggage from my house after the event.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Oaky on 08 August, 2013, 10:19:45 pm

Also there's likely to be a 'helper's ride' the following weekend - let me know if you are interested in this.....


That's me :)
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Oaky on 08 August, 2013, 10:25:09 pm
One for the panel.  Obviously, it's flat, flat, flat, so not fixed-unfriendly, but...

Would it be W E A P O N S - G R A D E - S T U P I D to attempt this on fixed as only my second fixed brevet ever, at twice the distance of the first one?
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Tomsk on 09 August, 2013, 08:00:01 am
One for the panel.  Obviously, it's flat, flat, flat, so not fixed-unfriendly, but...

Would it be W E A P O N S - G R A D E - S T U P I D to attempt this on fixed as only my second fixed brevet ever, at twice the distance of the first one?

Well I'm back on the cog, after 2 months of new-fangled gear thingys in preparation for some other silly ride......
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: simonp on 09 August, 2013, 11:44:44 am
I rode LEL on fixed despite only 1x200k this year on fixed and nothing last year on fixed.

YMMV.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Old Git on 09 August, 2013, 02:51:21 pm
72" for the Flatlands??
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: simonp on 09 August, 2013, 02:56:07 pm
Possibly. If I was riding* I'd want a bigger gear than for LEL.

* I'm thinking about it.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Chris S on 09 August, 2013, 02:59:59 pm
Wanna borrow my Dawes? 85"  :demon:
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: simonp on 09 August, 2013, 03:10:29 pm
Wanna borrow my Dawes? 85"  :demon:

What's that, 48x15?

I've got a 16T sprocket, but I would be unlikely to go above 73" on a 600k (47x17).
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Chris S on 09 August, 2013, 03:19:55 pm
Wanna borrow my Dawes? 85"  :demon:

What's that, 48x15?

I've got a 16T sprocket, but I would be unlikely to go above 73" on a 600k (47x17).

49/16. I've used it on longer rides, but have often ended up flipping to 19T on t'other side in the latter stages.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: jefmcg on 09 August, 2013, 03:30:43 pm
I've got it bad.  My partner says "that trip to northern France is 2-6 September".  Brie, gallettes, cidre!  I'm staying home, partly because more time off work would be awkward, but mostly because I want to be ready for my 600!

(though I still haven't touched my cycle since abandoning LEL)
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Tomsk on 14 August, 2013, 08:53:13 am
Routesheet currently being updated....will email riders and replace the AUKweb one soon......
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: delthebike on 15 August, 2013, 07:04:03 pm
I've got a tentative entry in and will see how things are in the next couple of weeks.
My first 600 and audax and on fixed! What could possibly go wrong?  ::-)
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: jefmcg on 15 August, 2013, 08:03:26 pm
I've got a tentative entry in and will see how things are in the next couple of weeks.
My first 600 and audax and on fixed! What could possibly go wrong?  ::-)

Well, you are safe from the problem I had on my first 600: your rear mech hanger probably won't fall off!
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Tomsk on 15 August, 2013, 08:05:45 pm
Bonus kms now fully accounted for - 635km = 2h20 extra on the brevet card at 15kph - hey, full value riders can continue into Monday [just]!! The only viable bit of distance shaving might be to take the A15 south of Lincoln in the middle of the night. Definitely stay off the A16 to Boston...

Aukweb is updated and riders have been emailed.

Del, you are welcome to join the Mid-Essex Peloton [that's me and Huggy at the moment- the Essex Police Team will probably be too quick for us]. We're aiming for >36 hours and a bus shelter sleep-stop, probably somewhere south of Lincoln. Also as many Wetherspoons breakfasts as we can manage. I shall be on 72" fixed....
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: delthebike on 15 August, 2013, 08:11:56 pm
Del, you are welcome to join the Mid-Essex Peloton [that's me and Huggy at the moment- the Essex Police Team will probably be too quick for us]. We're aiming for >36 hours and a bus shelter sleep-stop, probably somewhere south of Lincoln. Also as many Wetherspoons breakfasts as we can manage. I shall be on 72" fixed....
I'd like that, riding with a few veterans, but I insist that you drop me if I start to slow you down!
I'll be 72" to start with and 65" is flippable if I need it later on.

A quick scan of the routesheet, current and February version, and they seem to be the same, ie no route change just distance amended, is that right or should I redo my GPS files?
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: teethgrinder on 15 August, 2013, 08:13:46 pm
How far into the ride is Lincoln?

I suggest we club together and book some Travelodge rooms instead of dossing in bus shelters. Get enough people and it could work out quite cheap, plus you'd have a shower and kettle.

Anyone want in?
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: delthebike on 15 August, 2013, 08:47:14 pm
Lincoln around 400ish km.
I'm in for the pyjama party but also the full audax experience including the Audax Hotel Chain.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Tomsk on 15 August, 2013, 09:33:22 pm
A quick scan of the routesheet, current and February version, and they seem to be the same, ie no route change just distance amended, is that right or should I redo my GPS files?

Correct - I should have said - the routesheet is unchanged, bar a few tweaks for clarity and extra useful info here and there. Distances are as per your excellent Googlemaps track, for which many thanks, Del.... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Old Git on 15 August, 2013, 09:40:20 pm
Bonus kms now fully accounted for - 635km = 2h20 extra on the brevet card at 15kph - hey, full value riders can continue into Monday [just]!! The only viable bit of distance shaving might be to take the A15 south of Lincoln in the middle of the night. Definitely stay off the A16 to Boston...

Aukweb is updated and riders have been emailed.

Del, you are welcome to join the Mid-Essex Peloton [that's me and Huggy at the moment- the Essex Police Team will probably be too quick for us]. We're aiming for >36 hours and a bus shelter sleep-stop, probably somewhere south of Lincoln. Also as many Wetherspoons breakfasts as we can manage. I shall be on 72" fixed....

Tom

May I join your team, I will try not to slow you down too much  :-\

Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Veloman on 15 August, 2013, 09:46:51 pm
I was considering this event and note it states 'Mudguards required'.

As there aren't many events that stipulate mudguards, is there a specific reason?
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: bikey-mikey on 15 August, 2013, 11:32:30 pm
I'm in  ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Tomsk on 18 August, 2013, 07:34:14 am
I was considering this event and note it states 'Mudguards required'.

As there aren't many events that stipulate mudguards, is there a specific reason?

Erm...the usual, but here goes: wet and crud covered fenland roads, peloton formation due to un-obstructed headwind = mudguardless riders ejected by popular vote. Civilised cafes/pubs for a feed - you can always eat standing up, I suppose.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: bikey-mikey on 18 August, 2013, 12:43:15 pm
Mudguards only work as regards following riders if they have a proper long flap.... which most don't  - they just protect the rider, so not much good...

I applaud thoughts of keeping seats clean and dry at controls - we need them to be happy to have us back !!

That said I still cannot get guards to fit the new bike, but my seatpost beambag keeps me dry and clean - followers get sprayed just like the above mentioned guards do....

I tend to ride alone on my tri bars most of the time and I won't intrude on groups in bad conditions. It's faster on tri bars anyway though in the dry I'll sometimes ride in a group on the hoods (never on the tri bars, since its unsafe) purely so I can chat. 

All Audax roads are clagged and there are always pelotons....  LEL was the same with mud and pelotons but they didn't stipulate mudguards.....

:)


Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: mattc on 18 August, 2013, 07:22:20 pm
LEL was the same with mud and pelotons but they didn't stipulate mudguards.....

The decision by the LEL organisers did not stop the peletons getting muddy faces. (You all looked a lot cleaner southbound than north :) )

Tomsk - like any other organiser in the UK - is free to stipulate mudguards, despite what LEL may or may not have done.

You're right about many guards not having proper/adequate flaps. But your logic seems to be back-to-front - discouraging mudguards will do nothing to encourage flaps!
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: marcusjb on 18 August, 2013, 07:51:58 pm
You are definitely looking at it arse about face.

Mudguards will keep the rider's arse dry - therefore, they can sit on a cafe chair without making it dirty.  That is the primary concern for most orgs wanting to stay on good terms with their regular cafes etc.

Sure, without a flap, anyone else in the group behind the rider will get a mucky face.  As long as they don't wipe their face on the cafe furniture, it will be fine.

Now, considerate riders should have flaps as well, so it's not a big deal with most of the people I regularly ride with.

I have no issue with people riding without guards, wouldn't want them on the front of a group though - but if an org specifically asks for them, then that should be respected.
Title: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: bikey-mikey on 18 August, 2013, 09:39:53 pm
Hey Matt

You must have read someone else's post, cos I'm not discouraging mudguards or flaps!!

I'm a past master at making flaps from old mouse mats and in true 'Blue Peter' style, from washing up liquid bottles...
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: bikey-mikey on 18 August, 2013, 09:43:02 pm
Hi Marcus

Understood, but its an X rated event, and I thought that maybe it might have been an inadvertent 'standard format' thing....
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: arabella on 19 August, 2013, 05:56:12 pm
Well, as mentioned earlier, taller guy's birthday is far too near the proper weekend.
But not so near to the helper's ride.
Except that younger guy's birthday starts approaching at that point.
Tom, if anything gives, I'll be in touch!
I could always resurrect my York Sparrow.  Or do some shorter rides, I did my 600 already.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Grampa on 19 August, 2013, 07:33:27 pm


Del, you are welcome to join the Mid-Essex Peloton [that's me and Huggy at the moment- the Essex Police Team will probably be too quick for us]. We're aiming for >36 hours and a bus shelter sleep-stop, probably somewhere south of Lincoln. Also as many Wetherspoons breakfasts as we can manage. I shall be on 72" fixed....
       

My bike's not very blingy and my tan's quite pale but otherwise Mid-Essex sounds just right for me. (And I have mudguards on my Galaxy).
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Chris S on 19 August, 2013, 07:35:26 pm
Ah... but how big are Grampa's flaps? Wheelsuckers need to know...  :D
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Veloman on 19 August, 2013, 08:16:20 pm
Ah... but how big are Grampa's flaps? Wheelsuckers need to know...  :D

The Tandem has excellent flaps and I know 'cos my eyes were glued to them on Saturday (well for a while anyway!).
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Grampa on 19 August, 2013, 11:20:48 pm
Hey Matt



I'm a past master at making flaps from old mouse mats and in true 'Blue Peter' style, from washing up liquid bottles...

Thanks for tip.  I was going to cut up an old tyre but plastic bottle will be better.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: jefmcg on 23 August, 2013, 03:43:28 pm
Damn, realised a coworkers BBQ (that he scheduled in April!) is on that Saturday.  Not sure what to do now: I was hoping for an SR, but I have a 400 & 600 to go - I'd been confused about the start/end of audax season, so thought I'd have 4 months to do it.  Now I'm torn between just riding this and finding time for a 400 another weekend and being quite rude to co-worker/friend; skipping this and putting off the SR until next season; finding another weekend to do a 600km from my doorstep as well as a DIY 400;

I've also promised to help a friend ride 100miles sometime in September.

Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: simonp on 23 August, 2013, 03:57:00 pm
Can you ride steve's September group DIY 600k instead. It will also be flat.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Phil W on 23 August, 2013, 05:20:03 pm
Can your coworker have their BBQ at the 350km mark of the Flatlands?
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: jefmcg on 23 August, 2013, 05:33:12 pm
Steve?  I only know forum names.  Is this the WCW or the MK one?   WCW is a bit more appealing, as I could cycle to the start - Twickenham to Windsor used to be my "long" ride  ;D )

Selfish co-worker wants to have the barbecue at his home, so probably won't move it for me.  I've actually told him I'm not coming, but as he's been planning it for months, we've become good friends and he's resigned, I'm feeling bad about it.  Completely forgot about it when signing up for the ride.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: caerau on 23 August, 2013, 05:35:59 pm
By Steve they mean Teethgrinder - and its the MK one.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: L CC on 23 August, 2013, 06:13:59 pm
WCW is hillier and is not as 'newbie friendly' as Steve's late September outing- I believe the plan for the Group Perm is a rolling average of 24kph. Of course, if you're not willing/able to ride with the group it's a perm and you can enter & ride at any time. Other 600k perms are also available, including a DIY.

If you sign up for the MK600 then TG will do everything in his not inconsiderable power to get you round.
AIUI he's only had one not make it- and that was Rich when his bike fell apart.

I do however think getting a 400 & a 600 in before the end of September is quite a big ask for a not-that-fast relative newcomer. There aren't that many weekends left, and you will need a decent recovery period (at least a fortnight) between rides. There's less daylight, so a greater proportion of your riding will be at night and almost everyone slows down after dark, meaning that if getting round in time was going to be a struggle it will be an even bigger struggle.
It depends on your psychology- for me, trying and failing would be sufficiently off putting and demoralising that I'd probably wait till next year till my chances were better, having spent the winter plugging away at 200s, and generally training for speed and hills. If you're the kind of person who is happy that they gave their all, even if they don't succeed, then give it a shot. No calendar 400s left though, so that's a lonely 400 you'll have.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: arabella on 23 August, 2013, 08:19:48 pm
I do however think getting a 400 & a 600 in before the end of September is quite a big ask for a not-that-fast relative newcomer. There aren't that many weekends left, and you will need a decent recovery period (at least a fortnight) between rides. There's less daylight, so a greater proportion of your riding will be at night and almost everyone slows down after dark, meaning that if getting round in time was going to be a struggle it will be an even bigger struggle.
It depends on your psychology- for me, trying and failing would be sufficiently off putting and demoralising that I'd probably wait till next year till my chances were better, having spent the winter plugging away at 200s, and generally training for speed and hills. If you're the kind of person who is happy that they gave their all, even if they don't succeed, then give it a shot. No calendar 400s left though, so that's a lonely 400 you'll have.
It does indeed depend on psychology.
I did my 1st 600 on the August BH w/e (1/2  DIY with Manotea and 1/2 Mildenhall 300) then the 400 2 weeks later, based on the 300 DIY and another 100 tacked on the end.  For the 400 I had a number of people lined up so I got an encouraging word at most/all controls (including the stupid o'clock ones  :D)  Made up for doing it on my own.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Grampa on 25 August, 2013, 12:23:33 pm
Mudguards only work as regards following riders if they have a proper long flap.... which most don't  - they just protect the rider, so not much good...

Going back to this because I've decided to take a lighter, currently mudguardless, bike rather than the Galaxy.  I'll have to switch my back 25 for a 23 and then I hope I'll then manage to slot in the Mark Two Crud Roadracers I've just bought, with the rear guard  "extended ...to give full coverage for the chainset area and for following riders" according to the blurb on the carton.
:)
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: bikey-mikey on 25 August, 2013, 11:51:46 pm

Mudguards only work as regards following riders if they have a proper long flap.... which most don't  - they just protect the rider, so not much good...

Going back to this because I've decided to take a lighter, currently mudguardless, bike rather than the Galaxy.  I'll have to switch my back 25 for a 23 and then I hope I'll then manage to slot in the Mark Two Crud Roadracers I've just bought, with the rear guard  "extended ...to give full coverage for the chainset area and for following riders" according to the blurb on the carton.
:)

Sounds good !
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Rice Thims on 27 August, 2013, 09:37:42 am
I'm in...but I have never cycled more than 140 miles in a day. I just returned from a 1100 mile tour of France two weeks ago. I did the Mildenhall cycle rally 207K in 9.5 hrs at a slow pace and thought I could have easily doubled my effort. I think the Massif central in France has prepared me for anything. My concern is not really the actual riding/comfort on bike I got that down. The navigation, eating/drinking(for 30 hrs riding) and finding the right place to sleep at 1am. Mudguards installed I hope people dont mind a novice tagging along.

Eric
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Grampa on 27 August, 2013, 02:48:55 pm
To get to the start, I've bought an open ticket on Greater Anglia (Liverpool St to Stansted, not Stansted Express) and plan to get on any train before peak period that has space for a bike (or after peak period if no joy earlier).  I should be at Liverpool Street for 1530, giving me an hour before the non-bike period.
Anyone with local knowledge got any comment or tips on that?
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: jefmcg on 27 August, 2013, 03:51:46 pm
http://www.greateranglia.co.uk/travel-information/your-journey/cycling

Quote
London Liverpool Street – Chingford, Enfield, Hertford, Cambridge, Kings Lynn
Free of charge.
Reservations are not required.
Time restrictions apply on weekdays south of Broxbourne (see above).

You may end up standing in the doorway with your cycle, worst case
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: tonyh on 27 August, 2013, 03:55:48 pm
207K in 9.5 hrs at a slow pace

Hi Eric, I'm sure you'll be welcomed by all (except possibly by people like me who will be busy worrying about the ride/the weather/their bikes/etc !)

Something tells me you I'd better say hello at the Start, though, as you'll soon be far up the road (along with most other riders).

I reckon you'll enjoy it. Good luck anyway!
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on 27 August, 2013, 04:04:04 pm
Hi Eric - sorry I slowed you down on Sat. !!

 If you can go much quicker then your only problem is just lack of experience at how to pace yourself over a much longer distance.

Rest of you -- if you can keep in touch with him you should get on well-- we chatted harmlessly all the way round on Sat's 200, good company.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Rice Thims on 27 August, 2013, 08:26:02 pm
Final prep this week. I'll be out doing a 200k on Friday and Sunday then five days of rest with my typical daily 20 mile commute. If I can do the 2 x 200k and feel good and recover quickly which I'm pretty sure I will then next weekend it's a go.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: GavinC on 28 August, 2013, 02:17:01 pm
To get to the start, I've bought an open ticket on Greater Anglia (Liverpool St to Stansted, not Stansted Express) and plan to get on any train before peak period that has space for a bike (or after peak period if no joy earlier).  I should be at Liverpool Street for 1530, giving me an hour before the non-bike period.
Anyone with local knowledge got any comment or tips on that?

I commute on that line. Some trains have wheelchair/cycle spaces, but mostly people just prop their bikes in the doorways. I'd be suprised if there were any problems getting on the 15.58 or 16.28 trains from Liverpool St. Even going into peak time, the trains aren't especially busy and people (myself included) often manage to bring bikes on even though its technically not allowed...

Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: stevevw on 28 August, 2013, 02:19:09 pm
Final prep this week. I'll be out doing a 200k on Friday and Sunday then five days of rest with my typical daily 20 mile commute. If I can do the 2 x 200k and feel good and recover quickly which I'm pretty sure I will then next weekend it's a go.

You could do a 400 this weekend, 600 next then a 300 by the end of September for a Super. Not only in your first year of Audax but in the first 4 Audax rides.  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Rice Thims on 28 August, 2013, 03:39:32 pm
Steve while I love my bike and it might just be doable...I do not love her that much. I spent the last month way from my family touring from Marseille to RAF Lakenheath. FB laughed at me and said "A month?"..."You could have walked it in a month!" Point is I have to get some family time in now.

Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: bikey-mikey on 29 August, 2013, 12:47:49 pm
Has anybody done a GPS please?  :)
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Old Git on 29 August, 2013, 12:57:43 pm
I've been working on gpx files, one per stage, but they are coming out slightly over distance to the distance printed on the route sheet. (not sure if I've gone wrong (probably) or it's bikehike/google measurements.

First four stages, to Kirton in Lindsey, use at your peril!!! BwahahahaHA  :demon:

flat001 (http://www.bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?lnk=http://www.sig.ukfsn.org/flatauk/flat001.gpx)
flat002 (http://www.bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?lnk=http://www.sig.ukfsn.org/flatauk/flat002.gpx)
flat003 (http://www.bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?lnk=http://www.sig.ukfsn.org/flatauk/flat003.gpx)
flat004 (http://www.bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?lnk=http://www.sig.ukfsn.org/flatauk/flat004.gpx)

ETA:
Here are the remaining stages 5 to 10-arrivee.
flat005 (http://www.bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?lnk=http://www.sig.ukfsn.org/flatauk/flat005.gpx)
flat006 (http://www.bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?lnk=http://www.sig.ukfsn.org/flatauk/flat006.gpx)
flat007 (http://www.bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?lnk=http://www.sig.ukfsn.org/flatauk/flat007.gpx)
flat008 (http://www.bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?lnk=http://www.sig.ukfsn.org/flatauk/flat008.gpx)
flat009 (http://www.bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?lnk=http://www.sig.ukfsn.org/flatauk/flat009.gpx)
flat010 arrivee (http://www.bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?lnk=http://www.sig.ukfsn.org/flatauk/flat010.gpx)

and relax.  ;)

Thanks to delthebike on page 3
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: bikey-mikey on 29 August, 2013, 12:59:32 pm
I've been working on gpx files, one per stage, but they are coming out slightly over distance to the distance printed on the route sheet. (not sure if I've gone wrong (probably) or it's bikehike/google measurements.

First four stages, to Kirton in Lindsey, use at your peril!!! BwahahahaHA  :demon:

flat001 (http://www.bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?lnk=http://www.sig.ukfsn.org/flatauk/flat001.gpx)
flat002 (http://www.bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?lnk=http://www.sig.ukfsn.org/flatauk/flat002.gpx)
flat003 (http://www.bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?lnk=http://www.sig.ukfsn.org/flatauk/flat003.gpx)
flat004 (http://www.bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?lnk=http://www.sig.ukfsn.org/flatauk/flat004.gpx)

ETA:
Here are the remaining stages 5 to 10-arrivee.
flat005 (http://www.bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?lnk=http://www.sig.ukfsn.org/flatauk/flat005.gpx)
flat006 (http://www.bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?lnk=http://www.sig.ukfsn.org/flatauk/flat006.gpx)
flat007 (http://www.bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?lnk=http://www.sig.ukfsn.org/flatauk/flat007.gpx)
flat008 (http://www.bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?lnk=http://www.sig.ukfsn.org/flatauk/flat008.gpx)
flat009 (http://www.bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?lnk=http://www.sig.ukfsn.org/flatauk/flat009.gpx)
flat010 arrivee (http://www.bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?lnk=http://www.sig.ukfsn.org/flatauk/flat010.gpx)

and relax.  ;)

Thanks to delthebike on page 3

Oh, so sorry I missed them, and thanks for the repost !!
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: billyam998 on 29 August, 2013, 08:38:30 pm
I have a late entry I hope to revisit and slay the last day of the LEL demons big time.
Hopefully find some people to ride along with this time instead of the solitary drudge I had on most of the LEL.

See you there.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: billyam998 on 29 August, 2013, 09:06:37 pm
GPX file links to bikehike do not appear to work?? Help please ???
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: billyam998 on 30 August, 2013, 06:44:25 pm
Links working today  :D 
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Tomsk on 30 August, 2013, 09:24:54 pm
Team Essex are happy to recruit 600km maidens, or indeed anyone else, including just maidens to help tow the train across the Fens. Some of us will be on fixed, which may or may not be a good idea. Ask me again after Canwick Hill in Lincoln or contrastingly, at Boston after 100km without a chance to get out of the saddle....Hmmmm
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: delthebike on 30 August, 2013, 09:33:46 pm
Have we got the hall from 2200 or can we get there earlier? Does the Angled Harpy  :P pub do food?
Why has no one tried to talk me out of this ride?  :facepalm:

ETA: The Angled Harpy does food! http://angelandharp.co.uk/downloads/main-menu.pdf
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Rice Thims on 31 August, 2013, 11:48:37 am
I went out yesterday and did 215k roughly from Lakenheath to Ipswich to Colchester and back to lakenheath. I forgot to eat well and the 3300 feet accending left me exhausted. I plan to go out tomorrow for another 200k Sunday then rest with light cycling all week. Looking at the route toaster the 600k is less than 6k climbing and hopefully light winds. I keep telling myself I can do this but the other part of my brain says your crazy. I know cycling as a group helps to eat the miles....I think I can...
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: rob on 31 August, 2013, 01:14:28 pm
I am preparing by doing nothing today and then riding a 12hr TT tomorrow.   Whether this was a good idea or not will be decided by about 7pm tomorrow.

For the 600k I do, however, have a handy sleep stop at 400k with a set of clean kit.



Rob
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: PAC on 31 August, 2013, 02:55:17 pm
Hmmm....less than 1k of climbing....if the winds are favourable this could be a very fast 600 ;D

I might do a leg loosening 200 tomorrow to reaquaint myself with the DJR , which I haven't ridden since the National 400 :thumbsup:

Cheers,

Peter.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: i cycle on 01 September, 2013, 10:58:21 pm
Might have to pull out as had an argument with a idiot on a mountain bike pulling out in front of me on my DIY 200 today. Side all sore and swelling and the moment.
I'll see how I feel on Friday.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: wilkyboy on 01 September, 2013, 11:58:04 pm
I rode a 200 DIY yesterday in prep: had hoped to do it in around 9 hours, but ended up taking 11 ... methinks I shouldn't've taken August off after LEL!  I might be taking the fuller-value option  :facepalm:
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: jefmcg on 02 September, 2013, 04:07:52 pm
I pretty well took August off too, and I took more than 6 hours to do a flat 110 yesterday (including cake stop).  Maybe I need to work back up to a 600km, in 4 weeks!
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Rice Thims on 02 September, 2013, 05:21:15 pm
I went out for another 200k ride today. The return 60 miles from the Norfolk coast was in a nasty headwind the whole way. If the wind is high and north or south direction this weekend god help us all. For a lone ride facing a headwind all the way north you possibly would have no buffer to sleep.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: billyam998 on 02 September, 2013, 06:11:51 pm
I managed 9 hours for the midlands forests 200 yesterday, out the front and on my own for most of it. 3 stops well 4 if you include the official check which was packed and stickers etc nowhere to be found, so pretty happy with that.
I agree with the comments about the wind, it was pretty horrid out there on the way back yesterday.

I am going to look at either finding premier inn or similar in Lincoln or pressing on and sleeping in a location I know in sleaford, however the breakfast options in sleaford might be limited.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: PAC on 02 September, 2013, 06:42:29 pm
I'm going to go for the 'make it up as I go along' option, so not booking anywhere just in case I'm able to get much further on the Saturday...ideal for me would be to get to Goole by 7pm and get at least another 200k in before dawn, then have breakfast & snooze in daylight if I need to before doing a steady 100k to the finish...we'll see :D.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Christophe on 03 September, 2013, 12:57:15 pm
Is the helpers ride still going ahead on the 14th? Unfortunately I'm not going to make it this weekend due to Mrs C.'s work commitments. :-\
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Rice Thims on 03 September, 2013, 05:01:21 pm
If there is no rain in the forecast(fingers crossed) I may just stealth camp it. I can not see prebooking a place. This is my first 600K and I do not know where I'll be when I decide to sleep. Do people usually carry a Therm-a-rest and light weight sleeping bag on these things? Honestly if it is not raining I think I'll be so tired I could sleep anywhere.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Tomsk on 03 September, 2013, 05:33:04 pm
Is the helpers ride still going ahead on the 14th? Unfortunately I'm not going to make it this weekend due to Mrs C.'s work commitments. :-\
Oaky and possibly A.N.Other [notp] will be riding on 14th. I can get cards to Oaky tomorrow.

If there is no rain in the forecast(fingers crossed) I may just stealth camp it. I can not see prebooking a place. This is my first 600K and I do not know where I'll be when I decide to sleep. Do people usually carry a Therm-a-rest and light weight sleeping bag on these things? Honestly if it is not raining I think I'll be so tired I could sleep anywhere.

Canny Audaxers can usually find somewhere dry [bus shelter, church porch etc] - I normally just carry a bit of polythere sheet in case the ground is damp/mucky [and wear all my spare clothes, hat, gloves, waterproof if it's cold], but I got a compact bivi-bag cheap in the Mountain Warehouse sale recently, so will be trying that out. Sleep as late as possible, then rise with the sun and all will be well :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: billyam998 on 03 September, 2013, 05:34:17 pm
I am going to take as very light sleeping bag, I know an ideal place in Sleaford to get my head down, although this may be a little too far.
Forecast not looking too clever at the moment, I might bail if it gets any worse I don't fancy 40 hours in the rain.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Oaky on 03 September, 2013, 09:15:28 pm
Is the helpers ride still going ahead on the 14th? Unfortunately I'm not going to make it this weekend due to Mrs C.'s work commitments. :-\
Oaky and possibly A.N.Other [notp] will be riding on 14th. I can get cards to Oaky tomorrow.

I am indeed riding on the 14th.  Last time I heard, A.N.Other wasn't able to make the 14th either, although I did just check in with him via email in case that changed.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: teethgrinder on 03 September, 2013, 09:31:21 pm
I was thinking of booking a traveldoge, but looking at the prices, I'll bring my small sleeping bag and rough it instead.
Looking at this thread everyone seems to have the same idea. I'd better get a move on before all the bus shelters are occupied by sleeping AUKs!
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: PAC on 03 September, 2013, 10:35:58 pm
Sleeping bag liner & a survival bag for me....this is going to be fun ;D
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Grampa on 03 September, 2013, 10:45:32 pm
A foil Mountain Space Bag, size of tennis ball and weighing nothing "Superwarm - Windproof - Waterproof - Reflects radar".
(So chopper will locate you if you never waken up.) 
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: huggy on 03 September, 2013, 10:46:44 pm
My plan is to follow Tomsk as far as I can, hauling lightweight sleeping bag and plastic survival bag in case of wetness and/or wind. The Audax hotels are going to have a busy night  ::-)
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: bloomers100 on 04 September, 2013, 07:32:23 am
Premier Inn here. Full value ride with big breakfast, yum!
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: rob on 04 September, 2013, 09:40:19 am
I may be out.   I have not recovered at all well from Sunday's effort.   I'll give it another 24hrs.


Rob
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: jefmcg on 04 September, 2013, 02:34:23 pm
still dithering on whether to actually ride this, but I have booked a fully refundable premier inn room at Goole.  Unfortunately I just realised that (with the over distance of this ride) goole is only a few kilometres past halfway.  At my speed, that is still probably a midnight checkin, but further along would be better.  Unfortunately there don't seem to be any travelodges nearby and the other premier inns further along have no rooms.

I'm not great at sleeping on audaxes, so a bus shelter won't do me much good.  It's possible a hotel room won't help me get more than a couple of hours.

Any alternatives along the route?
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: delthebike on 04 September, 2013, 03:23:17 pm
I'm not great at sleeping on audaxes, so a bus shelter won't do me much good.  It's possible a hotel room won't help me get more than a couple of hours.
Any alternatives along the route?
Hotel Desperation at 400km.  ;D
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Oscar's dad on 04 September, 2013, 03:25:56 pm
still dithering on whether to actually ride this, but I have booked a fully refundable premier inn room at Goole.  Unfortunately I just realised that (with the over distance of this ride) goole is only a few kilometres past halfway.  At my speed, that is still probably a midnight checkin, but further along would be better.

On my one and only 600 (with young bloomers) we stayed in the Premier Inn in Hull, we had a 6 hour kip.  It was bang on halfway and proved a good move as it effectively divided the ride into two 300s.  We arrived exactly on schedule at 2330, in time for a couple of cheeky pints   :D  I'm not a great sleeper either and surprised myself by getting some decent sleep.

Good luck to you and all the other riders.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: bloomers100 on 04 September, 2013, 03:30:58 pm
Ours is at Lincoln by 2 am hopefully, nice southerly forecast for Saturday.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: bhoot on 04 September, 2013, 03:36:09 pm
.... nice southerly forecast for Saturday.
And a not so nice southerly for Sunday!
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Chris S on 04 September, 2013, 03:37:28 pm
.... nice southerly forecast for Saturday.
And a not so nice southerly for Sunday!

You're going to be popular then :)
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: bloomers100 on 04 September, 2013, 03:39:14 pm
.... nice southerly forecast for Saturday.
And a not so nice southerly for Sunday!

You're a glass half empty kind of guy then?
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: jefmcg on 04 September, 2013, 05:25:24 pm
Selfish co-worker wants to have the barbecue at his home, so probably won't move it for me.  I've actually told him I'm not coming, but as he's been planning it for months, we've become good friends and he's resigned, I'm feeling bad about it.  Completely forgot about it when signing up for the ride.

Damn it! I've just found out that most of the team have also made their excuses, so only two are definitely going to this BBQ.  I think I am nearly obliged  to abandon this ride, and with it most of my hope for achieving an SR this season. 

(Though I do have two DIY's ready to go: a modified Severn Across from my front door, and one that I will call "Unfinished Business" from my door over the Humber bridge and back, following the LEL course.  But one of them on the 14th, and the other on 28th, after the equinox?)
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Tomsk on 04 September, 2013, 05:28:47 pm
.... nice southerly forecast for Saturday.
And a not so nice southerly for Sunday!

So....spend Saturday chosing your mobile windbreak for Sunday  :) - Lars, are you prepared to tow Team Essex Maidens?
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: billyam998 on 04 September, 2013, 07:19:33 pm
I am tired of looking a the forecast, let's avvitt, I'll be at Dunmow on Friday night, are there any chippys/takeaways nearby?
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Lars on 04 September, 2013, 10:08:31 pm
.... nice southerly forecast for Saturday.
And a not so nice southerly for Sunday!

So....spend Saturday chosing your mobile windbreak for Sunday  :) - Lars, are you prepared to tow Team Essex Maidens?

Not sure I can be much of a locomotive as I plan to ECE this one! So a 75km warmup Cmb-Halstead-Dunmow. And then hopefully back. And then hopefully another 260 on Monday heading up to that fine Norfolk N coast. *gulp*.  Not sure this a good idea but oh well, ECE entry paid... Really should stop this post-LEL insanity... :o  :o
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Tomsk on 05 September, 2013, 08:26:49 am
Really should stop this post-LEL insanity... :o  :o

That's what Audax is all about I guess - you think you're going out for a nice little bike ride, then....you just keep going....and going  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: rob on 05 September, 2013, 11:29:02 am
Definitely out.   Body not capable of a 600k at the moment.

Hope you all enjoy yourselves.


Rob
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: bikey-mikey on 05 September, 2013, 01:41:13 pm
Really should stop this post-LEL insanity... :o  :o

That's what Audax is all about I guess - you think you're going out for a nice little bike ride, then....you just keep going....and going  :thumbsup:

Indeed, and I can honestly say that this is exactly what happened to me about three years ago, and I'm still going  !!!!   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: i cycle on 05 September, 2013, 07:40:20 pm
I am starting to look doubtful now, back and side still sore from Sunday's encounter with the idiot on the mountain bike.
Will make a decision tomorrow.
Could I do it next week on the helpers ride if I am feeling better?
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Tomsk on 05 September, 2013, 08:48:31 pm
I am starting to look doubtful now, back and side still sore from Sunday's encounter with the idiot on the mountain bike.
Will make a decision tomorrow.
Could I do it next week on the helpers ride if I am feeling better?

That should be ok - Oaky & Christophe will be leaving from Witham at first light, starting later from Dunmow - better check with them.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Christophe on 05 September, 2013, 10:30:18 pm
I am starting to look doubtful now, back and side still sore from Sunday's encounter with the idiot on the mountain bike.
Will make a decision tomorrow.
Could I do it next week on the helpers ride if I am feeling better?

That should be ok - Oaky & Christophe will be leaving from Witham at first light, starting later from Dunmow - better check with them.

We're planning on leaving Witham at 6.00am for an estimated departure from Dunmow at 7.00. Pace will be steady as we're both riding fixed or single speed but will probably bounce a couple of controls on the way round to keep stoppages and faffing to a minimum. Accommodation will be 5 star audax at around 400km. I'm taking a bivvi and a lightweight sleeping bag and think Oaky is on about bringing something similar. Oh and as it's mid Essex crew expect a couple of beer stops along the way. ;)
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: RideHard on 05 September, 2013, 11:19:38 pm
I may be out.   I have not recovered at all well from Sunday's effort.   I'll give it another 24hrs.


Rob

Damn Rob, I was hoping to crash your handy sleep stop at 400k, lol

Best wishes for your recover;)
 
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: rob on 06 September, 2013, 01:54:48 pm
I may be out.   I have not recovered at all well from Sunday's effort.   I'll give it another 24hrs.


Rob

Damn Rob, I was hoping to crash your handy sleep stop at 400k, lol

Best wishes for your recover;)

disappointing - particularly since I left a bag of clean kit up there.....
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Climberruss on 06 September, 2013, 02:05:53 pm
Weather forecast not looking too bad now - most of the rain seems to be farther north.
All being well, I'm planning to ride straight through. Only sleep will be enforced if falling asleep on the bike.
Would dearly like to do my first ever sub 30 hour ride (Previous best 30:44 done in 1986!).
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Christophe on 06 September, 2013, 02:20:43 pm
Good luck to all you Flatliners for the weekend. I'm on the helpers ride next week so looking forward to your stories. Any tips or findings would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Tomsk on 06 September, 2013, 04:03:48 pm
Been googling around for facilities in/near Sleaford, - for the benefit of faster riders, mainly [we'll probably be heading to the 'Packhorse' for breakfast...] Not much information around that I can find, but it seems the services on the A15/A17 roundabout are open 24 hours. Means going into town, then round the 1-way, back out on Northgate [heading Lincoln-wards] - unless you fancy your chances on the A17!

Of course, as noted on the info sheet, it's Wetherspoons every 25 miles from there to Chatteris  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Slimline Saxon on 06 September, 2013, 05:10:12 pm
I am now out, the tendonitis which has wiped out half of my season has returned with a vengeance, sods law says it clears up by Sunday.

Fortunately I completed RRTY last week, Randonneur 5000 last month, SR and Brevets 2000 and 3000, if I complete Chris Negus in two weeks Brevet 4000, in addition to every distance medal this season. So on reflection, not a bad outcome for my rookie season at the longer distances, given that my DNF and DNS points lost are about the same that I gained.

Essex SR and LEL are unfinished business for another time.

Good luck to everyone, especially Raymond going for his first SR, sorry I will not be riding with you but I am sure you will do well.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Old Git on 06 September, 2013, 06:32:59 pm
In true keeping with the rest of '13 that is me out. Same problem that saw me pack in the Tour of the Hills in the first 5 mile has reoccurred. Hopefully 2014 will be more fruitful

Good luck all Nd have a safe one ( or 600)

Old Git
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: jefmcg on 06 September, 2013, 08:05:13 pm
No excuse, just not ready to cycle 600km and not emotionally ready for a DNF.  Plus bbq as mentioned above.

Good luck everyone!
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: wilkyboy on 06 September, 2013, 10:26:22 pm
Been googling around for facilities in/near Sleaford, - for the benefit of faster riders, mainly [we'll probably be heading to the 'Packhorse' for breakfast...] Not much information around that I can find, but it seems the services on the A15/A17 roundabout are open 24 hours. Means going into town, then round the 1-way, back out on Northgate [heading Lincoln-wards] - unless you fancy your chances on the A17!

Or R $ LEASINGHAM 1km before the A17 and then L @ T [A15] then 500m to roundabout – adds on about 2.3km.  Little Chef at the same 24 hour garage opens at 7am.  TBH, as we are forecast a strong tailwind to Goole and a weak headwind home again, I would've thought even us slower riders may be back through Sleaford sooner than one would've thought ... or am I being optimistic?

I am now out, the tendonitis which has wiped out half of my season has returned with a vengeance, sods law says it clears up by Sunday.

Bugger!  Sorry to hear that my friend, GWS!   :thumbsup: for your achievements this season regardless.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: i cycle on 07 September, 2013, 04:22:00 am
I am now out, woke up this morning side still sore I cannot take the risk riding that distance with it.

Enjoy it everyone and good luck Raymond on your first 600k.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Climberruss on 08 September, 2013, 09:34:03 am
Whoopdee-doo! Yet another DNF. Pretty much the story of my year on longer rides. At least this time it was for a different reason. Usually it has been due to severe back pain (the after effects of a car crash), but this time started off as sore hamstrings which just hadn't recovered properly form last weekends 100ml Tt and 200km audax. By 50 miles my legs were really sore so stopped at the first open pub (for quiet contemplation). It was only when I swung my leg to get off the bike that I realised there was another problem. Pain/discomfort in my upper thigh.
Anyway, jacked the ride at 62 miles and rode back to base a different way. My thigh got more and more painful. Got back to car with 114 miles on the clock.
After driving home (2 hours plus) I could hardly get out of the car as my left leg had pretty much siezed up!
This morning its very sore - which just reinforces that I made the correct decision. If its no better tomorrow it will be a trip to the docs for some anti-inflams.
Its a shame because after such poor forecast, the weather was actually pretty good.
Title: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: bikey-mikey on 08 September, 2013, 03:22:32 pm
TG and I finished at 2:30 and are in the Angel & Harp. It was a very good ride, with an interesting finish!!

The pub is very busy with all tables reserved, but it'll get better as the day goes on....

Edit - ten minutes later and the pub clearing out now and room for all(ish)

Well done Tom !!!
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: PAC on 08 September, 2013, 03:27:49 pm
I'm at the Cricketers...arrived at 15:15hrs :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: billyam998 on 08 September, 2013, 05:36:47 pm
good effort, pretty gutted I didn't make it seeing how the weather turned out in the end.

Bloody work, gets in the way of life far too often >:(
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Christophe on 08 September, 2013, 07:45:07 pm
Any news on the Essex crews?
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Oscar's dad on 08 September, 2013, 07:48:49 pm
I had a message from Huggy at 1803 saying he had 44k to go and predicted finishing by 2000.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Christophe on 08 September, 2013, 08:10:38 pm
That's a cracking effort. I hope I'm finished by 8 next week!
I think Bloomers and co were going for full value so guess they won't be finished till late.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Oaky on 08 September, 2013, 09:12:29 pm
I had a message from Huggy at 1803 saying he had 44k to go and predicted finishing by 2000.

That is indeed good going!
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: L CC on 08 September, 2013, 09:25:37 pm
We saw Tomsk, Huggy Del and a couple of others (AlbertoC?) coming into Whittlesey at about 12, and 3 others before we turned towards Wisbech. They looked to be in fine spirits.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: teethgrinder on 08 September, 2013, 10:18:05 pm
We saw Tomsk, Huggy Del and a couple of others (AlbertoC?) coming into Whittlesey at about 12, and 3 others before we turned towards Wisbech. They looked to be in fine spirits.  :thumbsup:

I saw Tomsk leading them towards Royston just before I stopped at Maccy Ds for some sleep, coffee and some milkshakes for my bottles. They all looked like they were going to finish OK. The couple on the orange tandem looked very tired.
I had to do a bear impression  before I got home.

Luckily I caught Bikey Mikey in the night and he helped me stay awake so I could finish early enough to ride home and get some sleep before I go to work tomorrow.

Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: AlbertoC on 08 September, 2013, 10:26:19 pm
We saw Tomsk, Huggy Del and a couple of others (AlbertoC?) coming into Whittlesey at about 12, and 3 others before we turned towards Wisbech. They looked to be in fine spirits.  :thumbsup:
Unless it was the real Contador, it wasn't me as I was mtbing in the North Downs :)
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Rice Thims on 09 September, 2013, 05:31:50 am
Thanks to everyone. I had a fun time and completed my second Audax. Who ever thought up that last segment to the finish out of Royston? They are a sadist,( Flatlands?). Rest time and sleep time. Anyone else ride through the night with no sleep? I caught a 30 minute nap in the morning when the sun came out and a fresh green patch of grass was calling my name.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: bloomers100 on 09 September, 2013, 07:28:29 am
Adrian, Stumpy and I got to the pub at 2054. Yes Tom is a sadist although with a few expletives. Thanks, Tom for organising. More from me later.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: bhoot on 09 September, 2013, 09:35:53 am
The couple on the orange tandem looked very tired.
That's probably because we were!
Got into Dunmow about 19.00 in the end, nice to see the route proving (yet again) that "Essex is not flat"
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Christophe on 09 September, 2013, 10:09:48 am
Are Huggy and Tomsk still out there?
Looking forward to the write ups.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Oscar's dad on 09 September, 2013, 10:12:28 am
Are Huggy and Tomsk still out there?
Looking forward to the write ups.

Huggy is back safe un sound.  I assume Tomsk is too.

The early reports are quite funny.  I'm surprised people are surprised at Tomsk's routes.  Doesn't the whole world know that you can expect bonus kilometres and hills in the final stages, just when you don't want them?  ;D
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: huggy on 09 September, 2013, 10:39:07 am
Are Huggy and Tomsk still out there?
Looking forward to the write ups.
Our little peloton of 5 (Tomsk, delthebike, Ivan [forum name to be inserted] & Grampa) finished just after 8pm. 28 hours of riding and 10 hours off the bike.  Further write up will have to wait until my left hand is no longer doing a good impression of a claw and it can type with more than one finger again!

The early reports are quite funny.  I'm surprised people are surprised at Tomsk's routes.  Doesn't the whole world know that you can expect bonus kilometres and hills in the final stages, just when you don't want them?  ;D
Route change suggestion for next year would be to add a few km on a wider tour of East Anglia and finish at Potton, then lay on a bus to get back to Great Dunmow.  The bonus Tomsk kilometers and sting in the tail climbing in flat Essex could avoided  :P
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Lars on 09 September, 2013, 10:40:12 am
Got back a bit after 10 after a solid full-value ride. Had planned to ECE it to a 1,000 to get Brevet 5,000
before my arrow expires for that award after this season. but decided against it. Due to a sore throat kicking
in, not feeling motivated to do another long day plus FOR THE THIRD TIME IN FOUR MONTHS I BROKE A WHEEL.
Yep, the master wheel breaker (as Judith named me during LEL) strikes again! With about 100 miles to go
of the Flatlands suddenly a loud ka-plonk from the front Ksyrium wheel. I stop and manage to remove the
broken spoke. Thought I'd roll on to Whittlesey and catch a train and quit the ride. But realize that despite
a fair amount of wobbling the wheel seems to hold up. Ksyriums are so sturdy it can remain rideable with one
spoke missing. So at Whittlesey decide to crack on and finish the event to get that nice Essex SR medal.

That worked ok. Finished a bit later than anticipated but with the ECE cancelled no worry, no hurry.

With the initial 45k down to Dunmow and 20k diversion to the Doncaster Travelodge ended up at a solid
700k in 43 hours. The five hour break with a shower and a comfy bed in a nice and warm room was
nice indeed. Wasn't envious of the hardmen sleeping rough in Audax hotels this cold night...

Met several of the usual suspects, such as the Essex law enforcement department (i.e. Bloomers
and his mates), Tomsk, huggy, Wilky and some new faces like tonyh and Richard (don't know his forum
name). And thanks a bunch for the ride back to Cambridge Wilky! And of course thanks to Tom for
organising.  :thumbsup:

The route apart from the Essex bumpiness flat indeed. Unusual one with the vast flat lands. Easy and
straightforward with easy navigation. Some roads are quite rough so with the lack of variation in
ride position and the road vibrations got some back pain but not too bad! Last long ride for the year
done, now back to 200s and some populaires maybe!
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Oscar's dad on 09 September, 2013, 10:41:32 am
Route change suggestion for next year would be to add a few km on a wider tour of East Anglia and finish at Potton, then lay on a bus to get back to Great Dunmow.  The bonus Tomsk kilometers and sting in the tail climbing in flat Essex could avoided  :P

That doesn't sound like a very good idea at all  :o  What's audacious about a courtesy bus?  :D
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: delthebike on 09 September, 2013, 10:46:06 am
Huggy, Tomsk, Ivan, Grampa and myself got in 1945ish.
Huggy and I had <one hour kip in a 3* Audax Hotel (if it had a bench it'd be 4* and if it was more enclosed a 5*  :P)
I had a cracking ride and can give directions to every toilet between Dunmow and Goole.
Riding home last night I started hallucinating! Unless there really are giant green rabbits that wave you on I suspect lack of sleep.
Hills at the end and a bit in the middle were just a bit hilly and we didn't walk any of them.  :thumbsup:

A minor downside is that a snot rocket in the face is not good!  :sick:

Thanks to Tomsk for a splendid introduction to audax.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Oscar's dad on 09 September, 2013, 10:52:37 am
Blimey, introducing yourself to audaxing with a 600 is good going Del.  Did you get any good pics?
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: huggy on 09 September, 2013, 10:52:52 am
Huggy and I had <one hour kip in a 3* Audax Hotel (if it had a bench it'd be 4* and if it was more enclosed a 5*  :P)
Could have been 3*+ if it had a sign saying "Audaxers sleeping, please wake in one hour" - the Police officers with their bright search light were a bit too early  :facepalm:

I had a cracking ride and can give directions to every toilet between Dunmow and Goole.
Riding home last night I started hallucinating! Unless there really are giant green rabbits that wave you on I suspect lack of sleep.
I can vouch for such creatures I saw on the Asparagus and Strawberries ride in May, but none came out to say hello to me on this one :)
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: delthebike on 09 September, 2013, 10:53:47 am
Blimey, introducing yourself to audaxing with a 600 is good going Del.  Did you get any good pics?
I got pics!  :thumbsup:
Soon...
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: bloomers100 on 09 September, 2013, 10:59:28 am
Not arf, and on fixed, and rode home. Brilliant effort Del.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Tomsk on 09 September, 2013, 11:00:05 am
We saw Tomsk, Huggy Del and a couple of others (AlbertoC?) coming into Whittlesey at about 12, and 3 others before we turned towards Wisbech. They looked to be in fine spirits.  :thumbsup:

So...you like the flat stuff really, eh? [But you did have a nice tailwind - felt like riding uphill all day to us]

Our Contador was Ivan Cornell, [Audax Club Hackney, LEL 2013 Veteran, Bus Shelter Hardman etc] Also David Walker ['Grampa'] from Peterculter, Aberdeenshire - determined to break his 600km duck - chapeau!

Socialised at the Angel and Harp for a bit [coincidentally Lee, LEL volunteer was there too and my friends David and Liz] with Huggy + Mrs, Essex Police and significant others etc. Sorry I didn't have the stamina to stay and welcome the later arrivals  - well done Lars and Nick  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: L CC on 09 September, 2013, 12:59:57 pm
So...you like the flat stuff really, eh? [But you did have a nice tailwind - felt like riding uphill all day to us]
I have a love-hate relationship with the flatlands, I can cope with 100k/300 of tailwind-tastic evens to get me from Oundle to Swaffham.

I think Sunday on your ride would have killed me- headwind, endless horizons, the slow slow countdown to 630km?

Well done to all who managed it and stayed sane!
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: BikinOn on 09 September, 2013, 01:18:46 pm
Thanks to Tomsk for organizing the ride I had a great time, the little patch of green just out of Gainsborogh provided 2 hours of reasonably comfortable sleep.

Delthebike - Thanks for the GPS files, I know I was bitching about the one section that didn't start where I expected and that bit at near the end, did have me scratching my head, but it was very useful!  :thumbsup:  FYI the car that flashed you guys at the last turn was me saying hi.

The hilly bit in the last stage did have me swearing under my breath at times but the lanes were very quiet and the scenery was rather pretty.

If I could suggest a minor route change it would be the bit through Lincoln, at 4am is was fine, but with traffic I suspect those narrow streets and particularly the dual carriageway could be a bit hairy.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: bloomers100 on 09 September, 2013, 01:20:19 pm

I think Sunday on your ride would have killed me- headwind, endless horizons, the slow slow countdown to 630km?


This is exactly what it was like.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: wilkyboy on 09 September, 2013, 01:29:44 pm
That was one of the hardest 600s I've done – the only ride that compared to it for me was LEL, and probably because of the headwind on the way back across Lincolnshire and Cambridgeshire.  Veloman and I finished at 10pm dead – that was my longest 600 at 40 hours.  Saturday was super-super quick with a forecast 18mph southerly blowing us to Goole.  I recorded my fastest 100km, 200km, 300km and 400km back-to-back concurrently.  And after putting in all that effort on Saturday, Sunday was super-super slow, with a forecast 12mph headwind blowing against us: I recorded my slowest 200km and slowest 600km!!  And that just about sums it up for me, thank you to Veloman in particular for picking me up when I was down.

Ah, but there's more, if you're interested (if not, look away now) ...

I spent the first leg near the sharp end with Bikey Mikey, the Essex Law Enforcers (is that right?), and some others, and catching a tow with the tandem of bhoot into Red Lodge.  The Lodge looked like it had just one person running the kitchen, so a quick cup of coffee and onwards, not before the mudguard-less Australian (of this parish?) had uttered "it's a f**king Brompton!" ... yeah, I know, thanks; did you know your mate's on a mountain bike with a rucksack?  Different strokes and all that.

I hooked up with Veloman time-trialling across the wind to Whittlesey on Saturday and we rode most of the rest together: he was very patient with my limited selection of gears and speeds!!  Eric (of this parish?) joined us at the Wetherspoons in Whittlesey.  Just after Spalding, I dropped off the back, because the pace was uncomfortably in-between gears for me.  Rode into Boston with James (of this parish?) and found Veloman, the tandem of bhoot at a smart street café just next to the church in the market square.  A splendid jacket potato and cold frappé thing. 

We opted for a modified main-road run up to Kirton-in-Lindsey and set off: everyone was very considerate and waited when I dropped off the back several times.  There's a big jump from 68" to 87" on my bike and it creates a dead zone between about 28kph and 33kph that's difficult to maintain, but 30kph seems to be a favourite speed of group riders, hence I ride on my own most fast rides.  The guys brought the speed down a touch for me and we carried on to grab a frankly horrible, greasy pizza in Kirton (once you get to the bottom of the hill where it's situated, you don't want to ride back up again for something different).

The sun was fairly low by now, but the run to Goole is short, so no point in putting on the full-colds yet.  After a bit it was clear I was holding up the group, so I sent them on: I figured they'd make 15-20 minutes on me by Goole, but in the end it was around ten.  I stopped once to climb the embankment and actually get a view of the River Trent: all the interesting stuff out on the flats is guarded from view by mahoosive mounds of earth, like they don't want people to stay.  I got to Goole around 20:30 having done a "slow" stage of 26kph, but it couldn't come soon enough for me, as someone was catching me up ... the tandem, as it turned out (although in the gloom all I could see was a light).

A quick refuel, but not quick enough: the tandem train left about two minutes before I was quite ready getting the warms on, fortunately for me Veloman waited for me.  The huge effort in riding so quickly on the northerly leg meant everything was soaked with sweat and as the temperature plummeted then I could feel it biting straight through my kit and giving me the shakes.  It was a turn into the wind now, although it had fortunately abated for the night.  I could feel 300+ high-intensity (for me) kilometres in my legs at this point and I always ride slower in the dark, so we dropped the pace down a little.  It was comforting to see a number of riders still heading northwards, as I am usually very close to the back at this point in any ride.  We stopped in Belton for another warm up, although they didn't have anything to sit on.  And we made the garage at Gainsborough without event, pausing frequently to let the blood circulate energy around the system, and lots of friendly waves at passing motorists.  A couple of ambulances hairing out of town back the way we'd come made me a bit nervous that one of ours had come-a-cropper (having heard no news, looks like the answer is 'no').  We faffed in the garage, taking time to warm up a bit: it may be only just the beginning of August, but the coldest temperature my Garmin recorded was just 3ºC coming into Sleaford in the early hours of Sunday.

Riding south towards Lincoln, we knew there were some hills to climb.  But first a long straight road in the dark: it was only when Veloman mentioned that those red lights must be RAF Scampton that I recognised it: we rode along here on To Holl and Back 600 and the Red Arrows took off above me just a bit further along: amazing sight.  Silence tonight, though.  Up the hill to Lincoln was a bit of a wake-up, as were the short skirts in town ;)  Not that I could've done anything about it had the chance arisen, since I'd been beaten around the groin area for 18 hours with a leather hammer that Brooks persist in calling a "saddle"   :facepalm:

The leg to Sleaford took us over the 400km mark, and so represented the generally accepted "correct" time to stop. But where?  Veloman had a strategy to get us into a Travelodge reception and then to "wait overnight" for a room to become available: on the climb up out of Lincoln we did just that, except in a Premier Inn instead.  The nice lady on reception was very tolerant and passed on our regards in the morning to the various cyclists who had actually paid for their rooms (the tandemists and Essex Law Enforcers, and probably others) ;)  It's not particularly nice sleeping sitting up and I know that I pay for it the next day with sleep-dep, but we did get some sleep and it was nice and warm.  No customer toilet, though.

The ride out towards Sleaford took on a surreal randonneur-spotting element as we passed bus shelter after bus shelter  ;)  I am sure Tom would've been in one of them – that would've been the only time I'd seen him since the start.  I carried a proper sleeping bag with me the whole way in case I was also out in the cold, but in the end didn't use it.  I could really feel the miles in my legs and I had a feeling of no power and had to spin like crazy up every slope.  In fact, I had to spin like crazy on the flat as well: just nothing left in the tank.  Veloman was supremely patient commenting on my lack of a dropped riding position to get out of the wind and the negative effect it inevitably had.  We also did some rolling tests: it's a fact that a DF rolls better than a Brompton on the sort of rough-roadstone surfaces we encountered.

We got to Sleaford around 6.30am and detoured to the garage on the A15/A17.  They had a table and stools, but it was cold with all the fridges, so I broke out the space blanket, as I had an onset of the shakes.  When Veloman asked for the toilet, we were pointed over the roundabout to McDonald's!!  A quick Egg McMuffin and I felt I was going to die: it just felt like it was bunging my whole system up and that was that.  With tiredness and sleep-dep, I was ready to give up, but Veloman talked me back into the game.  We spent a long time stopped at Sleaford – over two hours – some of which was sleeping, but I felt in a bad way still.

The short ride to Spalding went by quickly and the pace wasn't too bad.  Just a quick ten-minute lie down on a grass verge to break the effort.  But by Spalding I was at the end and couldn't go on.  We stopped for some breakfast at Sainsbury's, which was really good: and there's a great view of the station out the window, which connects to Peterborough, which connects to Cambridge, which I call home, mmmm.  I let Veloman talk me out of bailing at that moment, but I really couldn't face the exposed run back to Crowland along the embankment; we made it, though.  However, our times weren't looking good, so I told VM to leave me at Crowland to set a decent time himself, leaving me to trundle through the fens on my own to Chatteris.  Slowly.  Really slowly. I figured that if I really couldn't stomach it then I could turn right at Whittlesey and catch the train back from Peterborough.

But it's an odd thing when you're on your own: you just keep pedalling ... and screaming and swearing at the vast emptiness like some deranged castaway!  (Chris, fboab, how did you manage to put together an entire year of this and stay sane(-ish)?!)  Pedal pedal pedal pedal pedal.  Very similar to the Thursday on LEL, except colder.  The wind didn't get any better and neither did the scenery, but I did arrive in Chatteris, passing one bike still at the Welly.  Some painkillers, water and a sandwich from Budgens and time to press on (it turned out two bikes at the Welly, with Lars and TonyH both passing me as I was filling up).  Definitely lanterne rouge now, then.

Familiar territory at last: the run to Potton will be known to anyone who has ridden Flitchbikes 200 or Rutland 300 (although in the opposite direction, and not all of it).  The twisty road from Chatteris to Somersham is the remains of an old river bed from when this whole area was marshland: when they drained the land many hundreds of years ago, the river beds were already compacted and rose out of the drying and contracting bog, and so were used as roads: the extreme twists are most disorientating and you're never quite sure which way you're pointing.  And it had started to rain. 

On the climb up from Chatteris towards StIves, I was working out my time in hand and double-checked the arrivée close time: for some reason I had thought the additional 2h20m for the enforced over-distance took the close time to 0220, but it took it to just 0020, two hours less – AAAARRRGH!  At the pace I had set myself I would be out of time!!  I don't know what happened then: getting away from the soul-destroying vastness of the fens into something with a bit of dimension to it; the painkillers kicking in; Budgens' cheese and ham sandwiches; or the sense of sheer bloodymindedness that I get when I am so close to finishing what I started!  But my legs came to life and I started tapping out 25kph (average) through the rolling hills in the rain from StIves to Potton.  I figured on getting to Potton before 7pm to leave a decent margin to finish and got there at 6.30pm.  A quick refill of the bottles and onwards: as I arrived I could see TonyH rolling out of the other side of the square, so I must've made up a few minutes at least.

The final leg was great, I really enjoyed it: I don't think of myself as a climber, but I span up all the hills with glee!!  It's not that I don't like flat ... but I think I really don't.  At one point I could see a yellow jacket in the distance across the valley: Lars was wearing blue and TonyH orange, so must be someone else.  The chase was on.  Bit by bit I felt I was reeling him in: the odd sighting around a distant corner or cresting a far summit.  Eventually on Litlington road before Royston I caught up with him by the war memorial at the top of the hill: Veloman!!  Back in the game, for both of us, as he'd lost his mojo a bit too!! 

And off we went: maintaining high 20s on the flats and climbing most hills in high teens/low 20s, averaging above 20kph.  That long climb out of Royston was brilliant, although I had to break out the 24" for the middle ramp.  And the long, open climb a few miles further on: we caught and passed TonyH here, passing on the lanterne rouge baton.  Shortly after Clavering (I think) we came across Lars and the Aussie, who was buying a tube and levers off Lars to fix his puncture.  Lars joined us for a bit, but Veloman and I were climbing out of our skin and he dropped off the back after Henham.

An odd thing that happened was I dug out a nut bar from my back pocket, nothing special about that, and started eating it and my legs immediately stopped dead: nothing left to give.  I had to resort to spinning in bottom to get any life back into them, but they just felt cold and dead, due to a nut bar.  Go figure!  It didn't last long and we soon were climbing great again up towards the Eastons. 

And finally the run up into Dunmow and down to the pub: friendly faces of the Essex Law Enforcers and families in the front window of the pub.  Time for a drink (coke), some back-slapping and comparing notes, and some hard-earned brevidence.

Woohoo!!  We'd done it!!   ;D  Not only that, but we'd managed to claw back a huge amount of time considering where we had been just a few hours earlier and the general hilliness of the terrain on the final couple of legs, which is very satisfying.  We were an hour behind the Essex Law Enforcers and Tomsk had left the pub not long before we got there, so not too bad.  And TonyH passed us around midnight as we were driving away, so should get validated.

While I was on the ride there were times that I just wanted to curl up into a ball and cry: I felt I had nothing left to give.  However, the final couple of stages showed that wasn't true: tapping into physical and mental reserves at will seems to be something I need to get a grip on.  I have experienced this on a number of the longer rides and it has always come good in the end; but getting there always seems to involve a lot of gritting of teeth and pain in the legs, and usually involves someone patient being the voice of reason, for which my humble thanks!  Maybe it will be less pronounced, or even non-existent, when I transition to a full-size bike at the end of this season?  I will let you know.

The sheer extraordinary monotony of the scenery definitely played a part: Tom has succeeded in creating a ride that is exceptionally flat for a very, very long way, and that is a good achievement.  Usually I like Tom'ds routes as there's a bit of everything and without fail they are slightly over-distance with a sting in the tail.  But personally in my head I am calling this Dulllands, not Flatlands, due to the lack of changing scenery.  I have now completed my Essex SR – my third SR of the year – with a Boudicca 200 perm (my first ever audax and extra wet and windy, more so than yesterday), Green and Yellow Fields 300 (bitterly cold!!), Asparagus and Strawberries 400 (sleep-dep city) and now Flatlands 600 (extreme mental torture).  I don't know if I want to ride this 600 again: ask me in a year's time!  I think the section from the start to Whittlesey, maybe even Boston, is good and from Chatteris to the end is great, but there's too much of little interest in between for my liking, the climb through Lincoln aside.  Tomsk's ride notes indicate there's no such thing as an easy 600: I think this is one of the hardest I've ridden mentally, even though in theory the flatness should make it physically easier for first-timers.  If it hadn't been for Veloman's support and encouragement, I would've bailed at Spalding.

Right Achilles is feeling a bit scrapy this morning, knees are sore and the usual calves, quads and glutes sores and stiffness, although I have been an awful lot worse.  Also, now the season of long rides is likely over for the season, it will give my hands time to get back to normal, so I can type and write properly.


[A couple of photos to follow.]
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: wilkyboy on 09 September, 2013, 01:30:29 pm

I think Sunday on your ride would have killed me- headwind, endless horizons, the slow slow countdown to 630km?


This exactly what it was like.

+1 Exactly like that: I stopped looking in the end.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: delthebike on 09 September, 2013, 01:35:28 pm
Quality issues with the pictures mean that these are the least blurry.  ::-)

My ride of choice. Pompino, 72" fixed.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-PpEh7TsQThk/Ui2dveIVVkI/AAAAAAAAH88/g6bXUyT2TIg/s640/p9060923.jpg)

Food at Dunmow for breakfast and to take on the ride.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5c-Pi9Eegzk/Ui2d3MvlHxI/AAAAAAAAH9Y/qEabRRXC-Ko/s640/p9060927.jpg)

The pyjama party in full swing.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-IuFJCPrIzzM/Ui2d41RiQQI/AAAAAAAAH9k/Xqg13-bEBKk/s640/p9060928.jpg)

One day, if you ride far enough, you too could look like this.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-P_Uw9cX8oqU/Ui2d8CBIiSI/AAAAAAAAH9w/45EGqB29w4U/s640/p9070929.jpg)

Pre start pep talk where we are assured that there are no hills to speak of, hence Flatlands.  ::-)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-lavjUJx-r0E/Ui2eCInkW3I/AAAAAAAAH-I/XNqweXwOzK0/s640/p9070932.jpg)

Bloomers adjusts his thingy!
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9aab2v4DBjI/Ui2eCWxYbZI/AAAAAAAAH-M/bJHLJmglw4o/s640/p9070933.jpg)

First control and second breakfast at Red Lodge.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ZEBxJficTzQ/Ui2eJ-j193I/AAAAAAAAH-s/pe98lob6ytM/s640/p9070937.jpg)

Wind Turbine at Bury.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-yN6cxwTCqXA/Ui2eSYL2pZI/AAAAAAAAH_M/Vu4BUw_0olA/s640/p9070941.jpg)

Curry at Boston Wetherspoons, Moon Under the Water.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-MNw7TdcyFvQ/Ui2eTy_1E6I/AAAAAAAAH_U/TdEZr50vx4Y/s640/p9070942.jpg)

Outside the Moon. Granpa, Tomsk, unknown, and Ivan.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-jIeIpGq5T4M/Ui2eVQHtYGI/AAAAAAAAH_c/V95iiUBcCO8/s640/p9070943.jpg)
Here's Huggy.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-kNvprKvvYiw/Ui2eX6GPMfI/AAAAAAAAH_k/48Ebx4U7mgc/s640/p9070944.jpg)

Lighting faffage just before sunset, somewhere on the road.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-EhjwrqBiIQ8/Ui2ebmd8zxI/AAAAAAAAH_0/X7cn8eWMjgQ/s640/p9070945.jpg)

Ivan and Huggy post faff.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-WQglOeIimmE/Ui2edWCcfVI/AAAAAAAAH_8/ReGqPlzUgxQ/s640/p9070947.jpg)

It's the high quality controls that make a ride. Kirton in Lindsey.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-bPwU17ubs2A/Ui2efTOloRI/AAAAAAAAIAE/4v0RRS2hryg/s640/p9070948.jpg)

Midway at Glews in Goole.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-DMwuzjkf3mg/Ui2eimo1WiI/AAAAAAAAIAQ/v21sCNjjSEQ/s640/p9070950.jpg)

Gainsborough control post piss 'eds.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-MA5l6EFdwNk/Ui2elmt7onI/AAAAAAAAIAc/M-aW9Ty2Bjg/s640/p9080951.jpg)
Where Huggy left a big log!
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-PmexPVtJrsQ/Ui2eo_ymIII/AAAAAAAAIAs/ucK8hlTjJgw/s640/p9080953.jpg)

Me and Huggy post Audax Hotel on the way to Sleaford.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-xdEIdfxN6Uw/Ui2esp73C_I/AAAAAAAAIA8/P1Ji3l2hte8/s640/p9080955.jpg)

Bikinon and Huggy discover that the 24 hour service Tesco at Sleaford is shut!  ::-) ATM for proof of passage.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-xLX6i4QUSjI/Ui2eu96V9EI/AAAAAAAAIBE/vtbLenm_hnw/s640/p9080956.jpg)

Ivan resting his eyes at Chatteris.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-mVGHkr6mDPw/Ui2ewHYXROI/AAAAAAAAIBM/dOvLNRoNlvs/s640/p9080957.jpg)

Tomsk tries to look innocent after more assurances that there are no hills worthy of note on the ride.  ;) ;)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-PQQyf7rnsRs/Ui2exUs0XKI/AAAAAAAAIBU/7EHEtX4e2aQ/s640/p9080958.jpg)

At the Green Welly.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5eqdkLIZeUA/Ui2e1Zz8K8I/AAAAAAAAIBk/Vcy2cEC-k6o/s640/p9080960.jpg)

Cape up, for the weather has turned, by the only toilet on the ride I didn't use, St. Ives.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-_GYDFmFABhg/Ui2e3e5SVXI/AAAAAAAAIBs/toE6pr5frhI/s640/p9080961.jpg)

Last control at Potton.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-sZWu9cAEjmI/Ui2e6VHNkOI/AAAAAAAAIB0/WlgDHBGw318/s640/p9080962.jpg)

The rest of the pictures are here
https://picasaweb.google.com/delthebike/Flatlands600
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Ivan on 09 September, 2013, 02:07:11 pm
[Our Contador was Ivan Cornell, [Audax Club Hackney, LEL 2013 Veteran, Bus Shelter Hardman etc]

Thanks for that accolade, though I should have thought through the rest options a bit more and then I might not have had so many tired/grumpy moments on the 2nd day. I really enjoyed being part of your train, though it was more like being a seagull following a trawler, thinking sardines will be thrown, as you did all the hard work at the front.

Managed to complete my ECE, getting back to Greenwich after midnight, so with the over distance that stretches my weekend riding to over 750km. Next time I'll take a day off work!

Ivan 'Ivan' Cornell
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Lars on 09 September, 2013, 02:54:10 pm
We saw Tomsk, Huggy Del and a couple of others (AlbertoC?) coming into Whittlesey at about 12, and 3 others before we turned towards Wisbech. They looked to be in fine spirits.  :thumbsup:

I saw Tomsk leading them towards Royston just before I stopped at Maccy Ds for some sleep, coffee and some milkshakes for my bottles. They all looked like they were going to finish OK. The couple on the orange tandem looked very tired.
I had to do a bear impression  before I got home.


Milkshakes from the Golden Arches for the bike bottles? Sounds like something worth a try! In the wee hours returning
from the ride me and Wilky popped into a 24h McD's for some calorie replacement. And as I couldn't stand the thought
of coke got a milkshake for the QP meal. And it was bloody brilliant!

Three or four Mickey D milkshakes to fill up the bottles? Wait a while for it to thaw, and then sip every 10 mins or so
while it lasts? Will try that as it seems a nice change from awful expensive gas station energy drinks or yucky SIS electrolyte
enhanced tap water...
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Ivan on 09 September, 2013, 03:02:22 pm

Riding south towards Lincoln, we knew there were some hills to climb.  But first a long straight road in the dark: it was only when Veloman mentioned that those red lights must be RAF Scampton that I recognised it: we rode along here on To Holl and Back 600 and the Red Arrows took off above me just a bit further along: amazing sight.


Coincidentally, the Red Arrows were just about visible to the east of the last stage yesterday at the finale of the Duxford Air Show - I noticed the vapour trails, Huggy realised what they were, along with the Lancaster that flew over on the leg into Potton.

Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: bikey-mikey on 09 September, 2013, 05:19:07 pm
I have downloaded my Garmin file, and here is a link :-

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/373091272

 8)
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Tomsk on 09 September, 2013, 05:51:32 pm
Getting a good group going works well in the Fens. That's what kept us and Bloomers' crew from going insane I'm sure. There's somehow less disparity between riders - though non-climbers come into their own as windbreaks, for example. However, towing a train on 72" fixed was hard - I couldn't really be bothered to turn my wheel for a lower gear though.

I've done Cambridge-York-Cambridge 600 perm. a few times, including a Friday night start once. Recipe for insanity, solo-ing through 2 nights across the flat stuff into a headwind [yes, BOTH ways!].
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: bloomers100 on 09 September, 2013, 06:06:32 pm
Its all a bit insane, but that sounds like the extreme end Tomsk.

Post ride chats at work amuse me:
How far? About 380 miles.
Did you do it for charity? No.
Was it a race? No.
Who were you going to see? No one.
Did you enjoy it? Er......
Have you got any photos? Yes.
There's nothing in them? That's a fen.
What's wrong with your legs? Ouch, nothing.
Anyone else coming to pizza hut?
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Christophe on 09 September, 2013, 06:29:09 pm
Its all a bit insane, but that sounds like the extreme end Tomsk.

Post ride chats at work amuse me:
How far? About 380 miles.
Did you do it for charity? No.
Was it a race? No.
Who were you going to see? No one.
Did you enjoy it? Er......
Have you got any photos? Yes.
There's nothing in them? That's a fen.
What's wrong with your legs? Ouch, nothing.
Anyone else coming to pizza hut?

Mine last year was similar except it started :

Why are your trousers dirty? Because I fell off the train
Why?? Because I couldn't bend my leg when trying to step off.
Why? Because I did a bike ride at the weekend.

Then continue with Bloomers conversation....

Looking forward to the same conversation next week!
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Oaky on 09 September, 2013, 08:07:17 pm
Coincidentally, the Red Arrows were just about visible to the east of the last stage yesterday at the finale of the Duxford Air Show - I noticed the vapour trails, Huggy realised what they were, along with the Lancaster that flew over on the leg into Potton.

We were driving back down the country at the time and passed Duxford just as they were displaying.  mrs_o and the Acorns got a great view, I saw quite a bit of it, but obviously had to concentrate on the road.  (The whole M11 ws on go-slow at the time, presumably everybody was distracted by the display).

We also saw a Lancaster, presumably on it's way up to Duxford, on Friday night as we drove up the country.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: huggy on 09 September, 2013, 11:29:13 pm
I didn't get to take many but here are a couple to add to Del's collection of pic's from Tom's Train.

This was a very familiar view point, especially on the way South
(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j462/GHuggy/Audax%202013/WestLindsey-20130907-00208_zpsf8010fb3.jpg) (http://s1087.photobucket.com/user/GHuggy/media/Audax%202013/WestLindsey-20130907-00208_zpsf8010fb3.jpg.html)
Another group photo - Tomsk, Grampa, Ivan & delthebike
(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j462/GHuggy/Audax%202013/WestLindsey-20130907-00205_zps91383735.jpg) (http://s1087.photobucket.com/user/GHuggy/media/Audax%202013/WestLindsey-20130907-00205_zps91383735.jpg.html)
No shortcuts to Lincoln, continue North to Goole first!
(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j462/GHuggy/Audax%202013/WestLindsey-20130907-00206_zps3b7515ea.jpg) (http://s1087.photobucket.com/user/GHuggy/media/Audax%202013/WestLindsey-20130907-00206_zps3b7515ea.jpg.html)
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: teethgrinder on 09 September, 2013, 11:48:48 pm
Three or four Mickey D milkshakes to fill up the bottles? Wait a while for it to thaw, and then sip every 10 mins or so
while it lasts? Will try that as it seems a nice change from awful expensive gas station energy drinks or yucky SIS electrolyte
enhanced tap water...

3 large milkshakes for 2 750ml bottles.
I pinch the paper cup to make a sort of spout and pour it into my bottles. There's a lot of sugar in those milkshakes so I wouldn't want tohave them all the time but thay do make a nice change sometimes.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: bikey-mikey on 09 September, 2013, 11:58:31 pm
Each one litre co-op chockie milk has 650 calories & I can drink one, provided not too chilled, in about one minute......  :)
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Tomsk on 10 September, 2013, 08:05:53 am
Message forwarded from Raymond Cheung:

" Just like to say had a memorable first 600km cycling experience this weekend. The ride had a bit of everything - tail/head wind across flat exposed fens, steep cobbled descent in Lincoln, ford [albeit dry one], sharp heavy shower at Potton and unexpectedly hilly section from Royston to Little Chishill. This event may just have been a mystery 600km, where all entrants collect the unforeseen route sheet at the start.
As a novice randonneur, and have just finished 200km, [first] 400km and [first] 600km since last year, I should like to express my gratitude to those audax riders who helped me achieve this goal through their assistance/encouragement - Tomsk, Deniece D [CC Sudbury]. Marmitegeoff, Big Saxon, I cycle, Michael M [yacf], Ian R. [CTC] and Les B [VC 167]."

Well done Raymond, congratulations on your first SR! We leapfrogged you, and that other 'steady' rider, Tony H, many times during the ride.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Grampa on 10 September, 2013, 09:12:44 am
A big thanks to Tomsk for his leadership and an apology to him and the rest of his posse, DelTheBike, Huggy and Ivan, for being a passenger and a total tow-tart - took any wheel available.  But it was all I could do to hang on (until the last two miles, when we all caught wildebeeste-smelling-waterhole syndrome).  As for the ten miles from Royston, I thought that if I couldn't take a joke, I shouldn't have joined. For some guys, just a routine or easy 600.  For me, a big bucket list adventure, well worth the trip down from the north-east.  Thanks to all.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Rod Marton on 10 September, 2013, 11:31:27 am
Thanks, Tomsk, for an excellent event, though I must admit I didn't stick to the route. It is several years since I have done a ride of this length, so I'm not sure how it compared with other 600s, but it certainly seemed hard to me.

I finished at about 4pm after a few problems overnight. I found myself a good spot to sleep between Lincoln and Sleaford, behind a hedge, out of the wind, on top of a hill so it wouldn't get too cold: so I wrapped myself up and got my head down, then woke up shivering uncontrollably an hour later as the skies cleared and the temperature plummetted. Carried on to try and get warm, got to Sleaford to find two cyclists (Eric + 1) huddled over a vent by an ATM, looking even worse than I felt. Gave them my space blanket and continued in search of warmth and sustenance; there was nothing in Sleaford. Running on empty, I headed down towards Peterborough and found a Macdonalds open. Warmed and fed (if Macdonalds counts as food) I struugled on down to the Green Welly, where I consumed suitably large quantities of cheese toasties. Their restorative power should not be underestimated, as from then on I got stronger and stronger, and even the hills after Royston seemed smaller than I remembered. Mind you, I lived in Essex then and the Cotswolds now, so my frame of reference may have changed.

Sorry I couldn't stay afterwards, I wanted to get home at a reasonable time as I have to get up at 5am for work. I trust everyone finished satisfactorily.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Slimline Saxon on 10 September, 2013, 12:01:37 pm
Well done to everyone who took part, and congratulations to Raymond for completing his first SR. We have shared many a ride in the past year and I am so pleased for him.

Unfortunately for me I have damaged knee ligaments, not structural damage though, so laying here recovering. Could be some time before I am able to ride again, hopefully I will come back stronger for next season.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Rice Thims on 10 September, 2013, 05:18:06 pm
Rod where the #%%€ was that McDonalds? Thanks for the blanket but in the end that vent didn't keep us warm and we pressed on as well. I finished at 5 with a 30 minute nap. As a newcomer to Audaxing all of you are my heros.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: delthebike on 10 September, 2013, 06:02:31 pm
Just cracked up my SiL by telling her I spent some time in a bus shelter with two men I met on the internet and my sore arse.  ::-)
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Old Git on 10 September, 2013, 06:08:57 pm
Just cracked up my SiL by telling her I spent some time in a bus shelter with two men I met on the internet and my sore arse.  ::-)

 :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:   :o  :o
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: wilkyboy on 10 September, 2013, 06:15:20 pm
Rod where the #%%€ was that McDonalds?

There was one in Sleaford – it was an extra couple of km's off-piste to get to it, but worth it, if only for the warmth of being inside for a bit.  Tom did mention it up-thread before the ride.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Rice Thims on 10 September, 2013, 07:40:31 pm
It's all good Wilkyboy. I was wondering down Sleaford high street as the pubs let out and I had young drunk birds left and right propositioning me. When I stopped and started to chat with one with the intent of finding a warm place to sleep her girl friend approached me yelling "she has a boy friend" lol ...what a night. I spent the next hour eating a greasy pizza and then sitting on a heat vent in the pavement! Ron road up and chatted for a minute and sped off. He returned a moment later and passed his survival blanket...bless him. Veloman and you had the right idea one I had thought of early and never tried. Wait at the Travel Lodge/Premeire Inn for a room. All in all I wish I was a better writer because rides like this makes some incredible tales and I was proud to have participated with all of you.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Veloman on 10 September, 2013, 08:34:48 pm
Firstly, many thanks to Tomsk for organising a 600 event late in the year; this event along with 300/400 in August saved my injury blighted year and allowed me to SR.  The whole organisation by Tomsk was, IMO, first rate.  Lots of information, well written route notes with very informative additional information.  The route sheet surprised me as there was no distances to accompany directions, but this worked a treat and I found it much better than constantly looking and my distance and thinking “oh no!”.  Good breakfast facilities at start with loads of parking and accessible to everyone.  So 10/10 for organisation and opportunity to ride a 600 calendar event as the “last chance saloon”.

So, the route itself.  Well, we’re off to the flatlands where we know it’s flat and can be a bit windy with no respite and very boring and people have gone totally mad in this environment.  So add some rain, some horrid road surfaces where the size of the aggregate has been specifically designed to ensure maximum discomfort to le derrière and you have the route.  Oh, and the unexpected rolling Essex countryside just when you might least appreciate it.  Controls were well spaced and other than the first control being a tad slow due to the peleton effect, all appeared to work well.  Did I find it inspiring? No, some nice sights, but BCM is inspiring and the Flatlands are not (IMO).  Did I find it tough? Yes, because of the surface and time spent in the saddle (and I ride Fizik Arione with 23mm ProRace 3 inflated to 120psi which just made matters worse and my own fault so no complaints).  Would I ride the event again? Not in a hurry, but I’ve only ridden 3 events at 600 so I’m still exploring them and intend to ride something new to me next year.  Would I recommend it to others?  Yes, emphatic yes, because it’s good to experience difference and it will be good experience.  Did I enjoy myself? Yes, I had a great time overall and many thanks to everyone I met.  Much has been written up-thread and no need for me to contribute further.

Veloman and you had the right idea one I had thought of early and never tried. Wait at the Travel Lodge/Premeire Inn for a room.

This was such a laugh as I knew that nothing was available other than audax shelters past the turn to Woodall Spa (which I did not fancy at all with no bivvy kit) and thought the Premier Inn might have some food and coffee machine and the reception was always staffed 24hrs.  What a laugh, warmth, comfort (carpeted floor for me and chair for Wilkyboy), coffee, pasta, snooze and delightful conversation with a very professional receptionist.  I had joked about doing the “Got a room? No room, ah pity. Then can we wait in reception until one becomes available?” blag and never thought we would be allowed to stay in such relative comfort.  I did leave sufficient thanks in paper format for chocolates/flowers later in the day as she was so helpful and understanding.

Finally, I must comment on Wilkyboy who was far too generous in his comments regarding my input to the ride.  He underestimates the role he played on keeping my morale high and keeping me from going madder than I already am.  The fact he has now completed 3 x SR (which includes LEL) in one season on the 3 speed Brompton is just amazing.  We were scurrying along at 30+kph and he was there hanging-on and when we rolled down the hills at well over 40kph in ‘aero mode’ he was pedalling like a maniac to catch us.  I could not believe the amount of extra effort he had to provide to cover the same distance.  When he gets a proper bike with ‘adult wheels’ (ho ho!) he will find it sooooo much easier and will be fast, no doubt about it.  A real hero and hard-man IMO.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Tomsk on 10 September, 2013, 10:22:27 pm
Did I find it tough? Yes, because of the surface and time spent in the saddle (and I ride Fizik Arione with 23mm ProRace 3 inflated to 120psi which just made matters worse and my own fault so no complaints). 

Brooks B17 and 28mm Conti Grand Prix 4 Seasons [at 95/105psi] for me  :thumbsup:

I found it tougher than this year's BCM [which was faster by several hours, with more sleep and in a proper bed, less trouble from the wind and weather, getting more of a tow rather than playing 'Tomsk the Tank Engine'!] Still enjoyed it, but a pretty route it ain't - I do like those Boston-Kirton lanes though and the geography lesson of ticking off all the eastern rivers.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Tomsk on 11 September, 2013, 08:42:34 am
...And coming along nicely: Flatlands 'lite' - my slimmed down version for 2014 has been approved, with 606km and fewer lumps on the last section! It'll be a BRM too, so cut off time 22:00 Sunday, not the early hours of Monday  ;D

I'll get it registered as a permanent too.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Veloman on 11 September, 2013, 08:56:28 am
...And coming along nicely: Flatlands 'lite' - my slimmed down version for 2014 has been approved, with 606km and fewer lumps on the last section! It'll be a BRM too, so cut off time 22:00 Sunday, not the early hours of Monday  ;D

I'll get it registered as a permanent too.

Could you get some decent tarmac to make it more comfortable too? !
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Lars on 11 September, 2013, 09:17:47 am
...And coming along nicely: Flatlands 'lite' - my slimmed down version for 2014 has been approved, with 606km and fewer lumps on the last section! It'll be a BRM too, so cut off time 22:00 Sunday, not the early hours of Monday  ;D

I'll get it registered as a permanent too.

Will it run as a late season event in 2014 too?
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Grampa on 11 September, 2013, 09:44:03 am
Essex, The Fens and even central London formed a Super experience for me, partly because so different.  Can I leave a Scottish calling card in the form of a plug for the youtube videos "Portmahomack 400Km. Audax" and "Bealach Beag".
Portmahomack this year hosted the Tongue Twister 300 (AUK website).  The Bealach Beag (sportif) is a promotional video by Hands On Events. Weather in north and north-west can be crap, of course. And even you guys might not manage to cycle back for work next day.  Again, thanks to Tomsk and very great respect to all.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Rod Marton on 11 September, 2013, 09:56:44 am
Rod where the #%%€ was that McDonalds? Thanks for the blanket but in the end that vent didn't keep us warm and we pressed on as well. I finished at 5 with a 30 minute nap. As a newcomer to Audaxing all of you are my heros.
The McDonalds was at Glinton near Peterborough - I told you I went off course! I thought there was a better chance of something open if I went that way and it didn't add many kms - may even have taken some off.

On a similar subject, sorry about riding off like that at Sleaford, but I reckoned I was in danger of hypothermia if I stopped again. And there was only room for two on your vent!

And Veloman, I am impressed. And jealous. Only you could have blagged somewhere that warm and comfortable. Glad you and Wilkyboy made it round alright - those road surfaces must really have hurt on the Brompton's small wheels.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Tomsk on 11 September, 2013, 03:45:52 pm
Reading some of the above posts shows riders demonstrating truly audacious resourcefulness - no pampering by the W.I. in cosy village halls etc......

Flatlands 2014: provisional date 13th September, then temporarily moving to June as a PBP qualifier the following year. [Depends when other 600km qualifiers are and the ACP cut-off dates - may well make it a 'last chance' qualifier, as being x-rated it's less hassle with last-minute entries/cancellations etc]

Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: rob on 11 September, 2013, 04:16:17 pm
Reading some of the above posts shows riders demonstrating truly audacious resourcefulness - no pampering by the W.I. in cosy village halls etc......

Flatlands 2014: provisional date 13th September, then temporarily moving to June as a PBP qualifier the following year. [Depends when other 600km qualifiers are and the ACP cut-off dates - may well make it a 'last chance' qualifier, as being x-rated it's less hassle with last-minute entries/cancellations etc]

Nice.   That works quite well for me next year.

*goes off to purchase the 2014 family calendar and a highlighter*
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Oscar's dad on 11 September, 2013, 04:29:15 pm
Flatlands 2014: provisional date 13th September, then temporarily moving to June as a PBP qualifier the following year. [Depends when other 600km qualifiers are and the ACP cut-off dates - may well make it a 'last chance' qualifier, as being x-rated it's less hassle with last-minute entries/cancellations etc]

[Sigh]  Go on then, I think that we can safely assume I will be taking part.  I have already accepted that audaxing is going to be the mainstay of my cycling in 2014 and 2015 then I'm definitely retiring!

Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Rice Thims on 11 September, 2013, 07:48:34 pm
Well Veloman does have a way with words "Do you like fish?" I guess I was a bit of a Klingon at first but honestly the tempo was high with that tailwind and I was in uncharted water. I clearly made up for in in stages 7&8 where i was up front the whole time. A THREE speed Brompton?....Bravo mate your one tough cyclist
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Veloman on 11 September, 2013, 08:17:44 pm
Well Veloman does have a way with words "Do you like fish?"

Is this 'the one in white' or 'the one from overseas'?  I think I know the answer and you witnessed my spectacular fall down the stairs in Wetherspoons!  (Ouch, I think I hid the pain quite well and elbow is still very swollen.)

I really enjoyed riding with you and was going to catch-up when we left Goole but decided to stay with Wilkyboy as it's much better riding with others at night as it is safer due to the greater number of lights. It was obvious you were a strong rider and showed it by finding all the holes and really rough stuff to ride!

Yes, THREE speed Brompton.  Amazing isn't it?  So if ever you start to feel weak, just think of what he has achieved on it this year.

Anyway, the comment was a funny tale and relates to what happens on the club-run and is normally aimed at me!
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: wilkyboy on 11 September, 2013, 09:26:33 pm
Yes, THREE speed Brompton.  Amazing isn't it?  So if ever you start to feel weak, just think of what he has achieved on it this year.

Actually it's a six speed, which is a three-speed hub and two-speed derailleur: it's kind of like a mini-compact with lots of dual-lever gear changes.  It's still a bit of hard work, because the range between bottom and top is large – 36" to 108" – and so the gaps between gears are quite big: most of the ride was in 69", but the jump up to the next gear is 19" to 88" (and most quick groups ride in between these two gears for me).  When the going gets tougher or starts to go up then it's a 13" drop down to a rather spinny 56".  The three-speed Brompton uses closer ratios in the middle of the overall range of the six-speed, with smaller jumps between gears, so for flat riding like Flatlands it would be easier to ride, but doesn't have the low or high range for hills.

By comparison, most compact chainsets on full-size bikes jump a mere 4-6" between gears across the range, with maybe a 9" jump to the smallest cog while on the biggest ring, so you can fiddle around to find just the right gear for the conditions, something you can't do on a Brompton, so it's definitely harder.

All that said, Tomsk rode fixed – which I think was borderline masochism – and he slept in a bus shelter!!   :thumbsup:

[ETA PS Sorry to be quoting gear inches like a pedant: you don't notice them when you've got lots to choose from; welcome to my world  :facepalm:]
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Lars on 11 September, 2013, 09:32:51 pm

All that said, Tomsk rode fixed – which I think was borderline masochism – and he slept in a bus shelter!!   :thumbsup:

Yebbut he is The Tomsk, innit!  :)
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: wilkyboy on 11 September, 2013, 09:39:26 pm
Glad you and Wilkyboy made it round alright - those road surfaces must really have hurt on the Brompton's small wheels.

Yup, they did: hands buzzing like mad and claw-shaped.  Typing and writing are somewhat impaired, but getting better.  Posterior also feels like it has been thoroughly tenderised by the Brooks and odd uncomfortable tingles in the gentleman's parts  :-[
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Veloman on 11 September, 2013, 09:42:05 pm
All that said, Tomsk rode fixed ........ and he slept in a bus shelter!!

He had to sleep in the shelter, no room in Reception at the Inn!
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Bunker22 on 11 September, 2013, 10:56:05 pm
lots of good write ups. Especially enjoyed Wilkyboys. I am planning on doing an Essex SR next year, so glad to hear there will be a new 'lite', version. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Tomsk on 12 September, 2013, 09:04:22 am
This weekend Christophe and Oaky are doing the 'Helpers' Ride' starting at 07:00 Saturday. They may not need their spinnakers like we did last weekend......but have been fully briefed on the bus shelters of Lincolnshire  :thumbsup:

One gear each :D....
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: delthebike on 12 September, 2013, 09:16:16 am
This weekend Christophe and Oaky are doing the 'Helpers' Ride' starting at 07:00 Saturday. They may not need their spinnakers like we did last weekend......but have been fully briefed on the bus shelters of Lincolnshire  :thumbsup:

One gear each :D....
Look Huggy the bus shelter we shared on our first night together.  :'(
Audax Hotel 3* (https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?saddr=53.260239,-0.558352&hl=en&sll=53.260105,-0.558286&sspn=0.00387,0.007746&mra=mift&mrsp=0&sz=17&t=m&z=17)

It's a lovely route and you only need one gear at a time!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Ivan on 12 September, 2013, 10:32:38 am
Look Huggy the bus shelter we shared on our first night together.  :'(
Audax Hotel 3* (https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?saddr=53.260239,-0.558352&hl=en&sll=53.260105,-0.558286&sspn=0.00387,0.007746&mra=mift&mrsp=0&sz=17&t=m&z=17)

Interesting  - after spending a little time look for mine, I realised this could all be semi-automated: locate all bus stops along a gpx track, then display the streetview of them. This could be the perfect audax app - 'show me pictures of all the bus stops in the next 20km'...
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Oscar's dad on 12 September, 2013, 10:40:44 am
We really are a weird bunch of people.  Who else would be this interested in bus shelters?  I was with some Flatlanders in the pub last night.  Guess what dominated the conversation?

I've yet to sleep in a bus shelter but really want to  ::-)
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: delthebike on 12 September, 2013, 10:52:44 am
I've got a tentative entry in and will see how things are in the next couple of weeks.
My first 600 and audax and on fixed! What could possibly go wrong?  ::-)
My tentative entry turned into a proper entry and I did ride the Flatlands on fixed. In that previous couple of weeks I rode quite normally, which means that I didn't do any training for the ride and the longest I did ride was 140km. But I did ride every day, which is normal for me, although some days where quite short, 16-20km. Average distance was around 40km per day.

I set my Garmin Edge 605 display to the map screen and followed the GPX file for that particular section and let the pink highlight guide me or would have done if Tomsk hadn't been leading us  :thumbsup:. On the Edge I also had displayed average speed and distance to next turn. The average speed for the first four sections was in the high end of 25kmh after which is gradually declined to low 20kmh. I think overall the average speed, moving not including stops, was around 23kmh. 

I lost all track of time and distance on the ride very early on! I don't have a watch and rarely flipped the Edge over to read other data whilst moving. It was surprising to suddenly turn up at controls after X hours of riding. I think next time I'll add speed and time to the map screen as well.

If it wasn't for the other riders who used controls before me I would have failed, I kept forgetting to ask for receipts and the sales assistants would ask if I wanted one. It isn't something I normally do but near the end I remembered to ask for a receipt from the control point.

After 200ish km I started to produce huge quantities of gas, which was also painful as it rumbled around my intestines! After this I had to use every toilet I could find, which was a lot, and de gas. I think it was a combination of wheat based products and exercise that made the gas. Experimentation, around the time of hitting Sleaford, by eating less wheat, basically meant not eating the toast that came with breakfast, I felt more comfortable and less gas issued forth at the next and subsequent controls. I didn't want to fart on the bike as it wasn't just gas coming out all the time. ::-)

The Pompino was fine for most of the ride. It developed a knock on left pedal stroke for the fourth leg but vanished for the fifth!? ???  Pedal revolutions in the area of >122000 strokes.

I was okay for most of the ride too. I was getting occasional numbness in my hands, despite moving position frequently and shaking out and flexing the fingers/wrists, and some in my gentlemen area. My palms felt like they were on fire on the ride home! The worst effect was at 400ish km my right shoulder had spasms and eventually this moved up my neck as well. This eased off at controls but came back, feeling worse, as the riding progressed.

Currently my gentlemen area is back to normal. My left hand at the finger tips and the heel of the hand below the little and ring fingers is still numb but going into a pins and needles situation. A slight numbness of right index finger is gone. My big toes, at the tips, were numb but normal now. My right shoulder is getting better but feels like it gets goosebumps and then goes numb or it catches a nerve and makes a painful leap for freedom ignoring that it is attached to the rest of me! No Achilles tendon problems but legs were a bit stiff, gentle stretching is the key there.

I've been riding but only short distances, <20km, and I think my first proper ride will be this Sundays SEG ride for a gentle 90ish km.

Thanks all for company and special thanks to Tomsk for the excellent route and the wheel. Although I did a bit at the front too.

I've yet to sleep in a bus shelter but really want to  ::-)
They leave a lot to be desired! But after 22 hours of riding it doesn't matter and won't kill you.
TopTip: Take something to go underneath you. I had a fleece bag liner and bivvy bag which was too thin for the concrete floor and the cold seeped through after 20 mins! Huggy had a thickish sleeping bag and seemed/sounded okay!
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Christophe on 12 September, 2013, 11:52:45 am

I've yet to sleep in a bus shelter but really want to  ::-)

Oaky and I will be sharing a bus shelter on Saturday night  ;). It'll be my first time. I may look for a bit of grass nearby if it's not raining so Oaky can take the bench, I can try out my new bivvi and protect Oaky from the worst of my snoring!
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Oscar's dad on 12 September, 2013, 12:05:49 pm
I'm very interested in bivvy experiences as I'm considering something similar.  Which bivvy did you get?
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: delthebike on 12 September, 2013, 12:11:47 pm
I'm very interested in bivvy experiences as I'm considering something similar.  Which bivvy did you get?
I have an Alpkit Hunka XL. I think Huggy had an emergency, orange, bivvy.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Oscar's dad on 12 September, 2013, 12:13:24 pm
I'm very interested in bivvy experiences as I'm considering something similar.  Which bivvy did you get?
I have an Alpkit Hunka XL. I think Huggy had an emergency, orange, bivvy.

I may organise a bivvy show and tell in our garden in the not too distant future.  Beer and cake will be provided.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Christophe on 12 September, 2013, 12:16:15 pm
I'm very interested in bivvy experiences as I'm considering something similar.  Which bivvy did you get?
I have an Alpkit Hunka XL. I think Huggy had an emergency, orange, bivvy.

Mine's also an Alpkit but I just went for the regular Hunka. Was a bit worried that it wasn't going to be big enough but plenty of room for my 6ft plus frame. Also bought a blow up pillow from the 99p shop for, erm 99p!
I can bring mine with me next time I go out and maybe you could try it out in a bus shelter somewhere. Or a pub beer garden.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Oscar's dad on 12 September, 2013, 12:23:01 pm
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Ivan on 12 September, 2013, 12:31:10 pm
I've yet to sleep in a bus shelter but really want to  ::-)

It was one of the most cold and miserable experiences I have ever had. Made me realise how bad being homeless can be, should really give some money to Shelter this xmas.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Oscar's dad on 12 September, 2013, 12:41:18 pm
I've yet to sleep in a bus shelter but really want to  ::-)

It was one of the most cold and miserable experiences I have ever had. Made me realise how bad being homeless can be, should really give some money to Shelter this xmas.

A fair point.  Doing it for "fun" is one thing. Doing cos you've no choice is quite another.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Tomsk on 12 September, 2013, 05:52:35 pm
I've yet to sleep in a bus shelter but really want to  ::-)

It was one of the most cold and miserable experiences I have ever had. Made me realise how bad being homeless can be, should really give some money to Shelter this xmas.

A fair point.  Doing it for "fun" is one thing. Doing cos you've no choice is quite another.

Damon Peacock, in one of his PBP films, describes the experience as being the closest you'll get to being a refugee, if you're lucky.

A bus shelter kip, much like 'head-on-the-table-in-a-24-hour-cafe' gives just enough to be able to keep going. Getting cold is a good reason to get up and get moving - time is miles  ;D. To get a decent sleep you'd have to carry a lot more stuff. I seem to recall reading about McNasty doing this with sleeping bag, mat, bivi/tarp etc on a round Britain multi-thousand km epic. I believe he targeted stations with heated waiting rooms where possible.....
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: teethgrinder on 12 September, 2013, 09:33:18 pm
I've yet to sleep in a bus shelter but really want to  ::-)

It was one of the most cold and miserable experiences I have ever had. Made me realise how bad being homeless can be, should really give some money to Shelter this xmas.

A fair point.  Doing it for "fun" is one thing. Doing cos you've no choice is quite another.

Try it in mid winter and you'll really know!

I've shared your sentiments very many times. The homeless often die young and I can easily understand why.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Oaky on 13 September, 2013, 10:14:27 am
UK Weather:  PLS to be swapping the wind speed and direction between Saturday and Sunday! kthxbai

(http://www.oakden.org/mark/bike/yacf/pics/lincoln_sat_sun.JPG)

 >:(
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Oscar's dad on 13 September, 2013, 10:19:52 am
Still doing it fixed?

We have similar issues but fortunately we're only doing less than 70 miles all weekend.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Grampa on 13 September, 2013, 10:33:22 am
UK Weather:  PLS to be swapping the wind speed and direction between Saturday and Sunday! kthxbai

(http://www.oakden.org/mark/bike/yacf/pics/lincoln_sat_sun.JPG)

 >:(
Excuse me if this is a stupid suggestion or so wimpish that I get banned from audax in my first season but, if the total route is approved, could you maybe start the 635 from Goole as a DIY?
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Ivan on 13 September, 2013, 10:44:28 am
Try it in mid winter and you'll really know!

I've shared your sentiments very many times. The homeless often die young and I can easily understand why.

I can also understand why you might want to carry a bottle of JD around with you, then would've taken the edge off it.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: bloomers100 on 13 September, 2013, 10:52:59 am
Lol, I wouldn't bother with the lottery this weekend if I was you.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Christophe on 13 September, 2013, 11:55:26 am
UK Weather:  PLS to be swapping the wind speed and direction between Saturday and Sunday! kthxbai

(http://www.oakden.org/mark/bike/yacf/pics/lincoln_sat_sun.JPG)

 >:(

Not quite as bad as it looks. There is a calm period between about 8pm and 10am :-\
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Christophe on 13 September, 2013, 11:58:06 am
UK Weather:  PLS to be swapping the wind speed and direction between Saturday and Sunday! kthxbai

(http://www.oakden.org/mark/bike/yacf/pics/lincoln_sat_sun.JPG)

 >:(
Excuse me if this is a stupid suggestion or so wimpish that I get banned from audax in my first season but, if the total route is approved, could you maybe start the 635 from Goole as a DIY?

Could do but we live about 15 miles from the start in Essex so would have a 300 mile round trip to the start/ finish if starting from Goole :-\
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Oscar's dad on 13 September, 2013, 12:05:48 pm
I think you're missing the opportunity to inject extra audaciousness.  Grampa's suggestion is an excellent one!
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Christophe on 13 September, 2013, 12:09:02 pm
Lol, I wouldn't bother with the lottery this weekend if I was you.

I hope you're not laughing at our potntial misfortune Master Bloomers. >:(
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Oscar's dad on 13 September, 2013, 12:11:00 pm
Lol, I wouldn't bother with the lottery this weekend if I was you.

I hope you're not laughing at our potntial misfortune Master Bloomers. >:(

I am if he's not  ;D  Seriously though, have a fun and safe ride.  It's gonna be tough but I'm sure the two of you will triumph  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Oaky on 13 September, 2013, 12:18:30 pm
Lol, I wouldn't bother with the lottery this weekend if I was you.

I hope you're not laughing at our potntial misfortune Master Bloomers. >:(

I am if he's not  ;D  Seriously though, have a fun and safe ride.  It's gonna be tough but I'm sure the two of you will triumph  :thumbsup:

Bus shelters of Lincolnshire beware!!!
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: teethgrinder on 13 September, 2013, 12:35:04 pm
Try it in mid winter and you'll really know!

I've shared your sentiments very many times. The homeless often die young and I can easily understand why.

I can also understand why you might want to carry a bottle of JD around with you, then would've taken the edge off it.

Using booze for keeping the chill off is a very bad idea. It makes things a lot worse. It cools the body down, even though you may think that you are warmer.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Grampa on 13 September, 2013, 01:27:25 pm
PLS to be swapping the wind speed and direction between Saturday and Sunday!
 >:(
Please disregard adverse implications of my suggestion of reversing directions.  Suggestion came from a hero who was delighted to get round by hiding at tha back of a group aalmost the whole way!
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Oaky on 13 September, 2013, 01:48:01 pm
I have visions of myself and Christophe trackstanding at our Saturday morning meeting point like a couple of track sprinters, neither of us wanting to be the one who goes off into the wind first ;)  ;D
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: delthebike on 13 September, 2013, 02:06:05 pm
I have visions of myself and Christophe trackstanding at our Saturday morning meeting point like a couple of track sprinters, neither of us wanting to be the one who goes off into the wind first ;)  ;D
At least it's flat.  :thumbsup:
Enjoy your weekend.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: bloomers100 on 14 September, 2013, 12:13:51 pm
Did the intrepid duo set off?
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: delthebike on 14 September, 2013, 12:26:14 pm
Did the intrepid duo set off?
The Damp Duo, ITYM.  ::-)
Somewhere near Whittlesey I should think.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: bloomers100 on 14 September, 2013, 01:16:38 pm
Text from Christophe, they are on route to Boston.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Christophe on 14 September, 2013, 05:09:23 pm
Boston Wetherspoons. Lasagne and belgian waffles. 9.5 hours so going ok. Wind is a bitch!
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: bloomers100 on 15 September, 2013, 06:01:06 am
The duo got to Kirton Indian at 2200 hrs. Steady pace.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: tonyh on 15 September, 2013, 06:49:26 am
Wishing them well for today. It looks tough. We had it so easy nearly all the time, last week!
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Tomsk on 15 September, 2013, 07:37:00 am
They're still going well - short kip on the way to Gainsborough, maybe aiming for Sleaford 'spoons for breakfast. Despite the headwind yesterday, they're pretty much on our schedule for passage times, feed/sleep stoppage etc [though they started 1 1/2 hours later]. Need to most of the decent weather this morning before the gale blows in though......
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: wilkyboy on 15 September, 2013, 01:22:12 pm
Some photos from last week: sorry, these aren't up to my usual standards, nor did I take many for such a long ride.

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7303/9758379463_34107c3cb7_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wilky/9758379463/)    (http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3694/9758309935_91843b1907_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wilky/9758309935/)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7443/9758379053_fe50e776cc_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wilky/9758379053/)    (http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7421/9758103761_c038373d97_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wilky/9758103761/)

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3712/9758094072_33f057970d_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wilky/9758094072/)    (http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3804/9758326616_e63d1ba886_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wilky/9758326616/)

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5492/9758302664_fa0059f4c0_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wilky/9758302664/)    (http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3748/9758093362_a880134a13_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wilky/9758093362/)

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3727/9758302634_73c8e3aa76_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wilky/9758302634/)    (http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3744/9758092832_48813e5b2a_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wilky/9758092832/)

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3717/9758308005_8f036b979d_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wilky/9758308005/)    (http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2851/9758376933_1ef26b91d0_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wilky/9758376933/)
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: bloomers100 on 15 September, 2013, 02:48:05 pm
Had a text from Christophe, he is pressing on still, he and Oaky have separated a while back.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Tomsk on 15 September, 2013, 03:29:58 pm
Oaky needed to have a feed.

The wind might slow them to 15kph - they've still got time in hand to take breaks, but it will be a struggle.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: PAC on 15 September, 2013, 03:56:33 pm
Sounds like a tough return leg...glad I did it last weekend when conditions were calmer!
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: L CC on 15 September, 2013, 06:25:13 pm
It looks bloody awful out there. No fun at all.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Tomsk on 15 September, 2013, 08:22:10 pm
Oaky was at Chatteris just before 18:00, even at 15kph he should make it. Christophe packed at Sleaford.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Tomsk on 15 September, 2013, 10:58:57 pm
Oaky was at Chatteris just before 18:00, even at 15kph he should make it. Christophe packed at Sleaford.

Oh! Apparently not, Oaky has heard from Christophe that he's still going and expecting to finish in time  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: bloomers100 on 16 September, 2013, 06:33:26 am
I'd had a txt from Christophe that he was at Chatteris. Look forward to the write up.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: tonyh on 16 September, 2013, 06:59:14 am
Great stuff! Edge-of-seat excitement... hoping both made it.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: bikey-mikey on 16 September, 2013, 08:39:24 am
Sounds like an epic ride. Well done both!! No way anyone could think anything but admiration of your efforts...
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Christophe on 16 September, 2013, 09:41:38 am
Just a quick one. Will do write up proper later including photo of Oaky's enormous sausage.
Have to say it was living hell yesterday. 30mph headwinds, torrential rain and nowhere to hide. Tried to pack at Sleaford but trains only go to Skegness on Sundays. Made it to Toms at about 12.30 this morning.
Thanks to all for texts and messages of support and especiallyTom for the lift home.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: L CC on 16 September, 2013, 10:07:53 am
Have to say it was living hell yesterday.
Ahhh. The true spirit of audax.

Well done.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: marcusjb on 16 September, 2013, 10:12:41 am
Blimey.

I wasn't out on a bike (much) yesterday, but it looked pretty miserable and the rain and wind when I was out and about was very cold and hard.

Not nice.

Good going to have endured those conditions for so long.  Well done!
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: bloomers100 on 16 September, 2013, 10:16:25 am
Epic effort, especially on SS. Feel a bit sheepish about our favourable conditions last week which I was moaning about - a lot.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: tonyh on 16 September, 2013, 10:21:37 am
Fantastic! Well done indeed.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: wilkyboy on 16 September, 2013, 10:23:33 am
Feel a bit sheepish about our favourable conditions last week which I was moaning about - a lot.

Me too  :-[

Really well done guys!  I was gardening in the wind and the rain yesterday afternoon thinking it must be a bit uncomfortable for you out there on the bike – proper impressed!

BTW did Oaky make it back too?
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: delthebike on 16 September, 2013, 10:33:16 am
BTW did Oaky make it back too?
I suspect cannibalism!  :o
Well done Christophe that's 'kin 'ard!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: marcusjb on 16 September, 2013, 10:45:43 am
BTW did Oaky make it back too?
I suspect cannibalism!  :o
Well done Christophe that's 'kin 'ard!  :thumbsup:

Oaky has posted his ride on Strava - so looks like he survived Christophe's attempts to eat him!

Massive respect
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Oaky on 16 September, 2013, 10:49:48 am
I did indeed survive.  A very "challenging" ride in those conditions! I'll follow up in a mo with a bit more detail.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: bloomers100 on 16 September, 2013, 10:53:20 am
Hats off to yer both! Men of tupperware steel.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Oaky on 16 September, 2013, 11:48:07 am
Blimey - that hurt!

We met up just north of Witham, with two gears between us, and got to Tomsk's place (with a friendly "AUK Control" sign in the front window :)) in time for a 7:30 start.

A few random photos:-

Christophe and a couple of Red Lodge breakfasts (also visible is some evidence of my lack of mudflap  :-[):-

(http://www.oakden.org/mark/bike/yacf/pics/Flatlands/1_s.jpg) (http://www.oakden.org/mark/bike/yacf/pics/Flatlands/1.jpg)

PMRT:-

(http://www.oakden.org/mark/bike/yacf/pics/Flatlands/2_s.jpg) (http://www.oakden.org/mark/bike/yacf/pics/Flatlands/2.jpg)

A panorama (click for larger version - Christophe is just visible in that as a dot on the road) of the hilliness and cover:-

(http://www.oakden.org/mark/bike/yacf/pics/Flatlands/3_s.jpg) (http://www.oakden.org/mark/bike/yacf/pics/Flatlands/3.jpg)

It's actually flatter than that - the panorama is taken using a phone function where you sweep the camera across the scene, so slight variations in angle as you turn translate to an illusion of topography on the horizon)

That last picture was very close to here:-

(http://www.oakden.org/mark/bike/yacf/pics/Flatlands/4_s.jpg) (http://www.oakden.org/mark/bike/yacf/pics/Flatlands/4.jpg)

One of the most interesting fenland views to be had - LOOK!! TWO colours of cabbages!!! (If anybody wants to go and look at it, I can probably deduce the exact location from the picture timestamp and the gps track).

(http://www.oakden.org/mark/bike/yacf/pics/Flatlands/5_s.jpg) (http://www.oakden.org/mark/bike/yacf/pics/Flatlands/5.jpg)

I kept expecting to see uprooted cabbages bouncing down the road towards me like tumbleweeds or some bizarre variant on an Indiana Jones tomb trap.

Wetherspoons' Gourmet hotdog, with over-ordered onion rings...

(http://www.oakden.org/mark/bike/yacf/pics/Flatlands/6_s.jpg) (http://www.oakden.org/mark/bike/yacf/pics/Flatlands/6.jpg)

That was all I took, but had I had a better camera with me than the one on my phone, I would definitely have tried to snap the rain I saw off to the east on the southbound journey... you could see plumes of rain dropping from the clouds, starting vertical-ish as they left the cloud and curving round elegantly to horizontal as they reached ground level.

I was really pleased when I got the message that Christophe hadn't packed after all and was 35km from the arrivee.  The last I thought that I had heard from him was in Sleaford when he was adamant that he was stopping - the train services swayed his decision, however, he'd actually sent me a text after that he was at the Green Welly, but somehow my befuddled brain didn't take it in otherwise I could have let Tomsk know when I arrived (or even before) that he hadn't in fact DNFed.

We had separated on the run-in to Lincoln, after one of Christophe's hedge stops.  Once I'd negotiated the cobbled descent, I pulled over for 20 mins to see if he'd catch up, before pressing on with the ascent of Canwick Hill, where me and my 69.3" gear were nearly defeated... I almost came to a standstill, and came close to falling over trying to finesse my way round some lumps on the road surface as I crawled up the steepest bit.

I'm still a little sleepy and TEH HUNGER has now kicked in (I looked at the clock just before 10 wondering if it was nearly lunchtime yet  ;) and I have a monster craving for onion bhajis).  My legs are obviously a bit sore, and my shoulders ache from the hours spent trying to crouch down as low as possible into the wind, but I now have a warm glow of achievement (or is it just my windblown and rainlashed face?):  the Essex SR has been done, and I'm looking forward to the shiny medal at the award ceremony.

Also on the plus side, my bike is now very clean, on account of the jet-wash effect of the headwind+heavy rain in between Chatteris and Dunmow ;)

Oh and Tomsk is an absolute star! waiting on me hand and foot when I got to his house, delivering coffes and water while we waited for Christophe, and offering food too (although I was actually fairly full at the time so didn't partake) and driving the both of us back to Witham, saving us what would have been a 17 mile unenthusiastic slog home. Top man - I owe him several pints when we're next in the pub I think.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Grampa on 16 September, 2013, 01:54:29 pm
Tough guys doing it the tough way.  An inspiring example to close a year in audax.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: tonyh on 17 September, 2013, 10:36:47 am
Our achievements in the gentle conditions of the previous weekend pale into insignificance! But it's about time there was a post from the Lanterne Rouge of back then. It was great to see quite a bit of some of the other riders, who'd kindly slept for hours just to let me (with a 20-minute-kip-when-necessary policy)(there were about six kips, mainly very good) catch up a bit. Thanks to all for companionship and conversations. Admired Tomsk's patient positive answers about cycling, to a possibly inebriated and slightly loud girl at the Gainsborough all-night garage. And, of course, his splendid work on the whole event - big thanks again (I may have to ride quite a few more DIY 200s to Essex and back!)

My first proper visit to the Fenland. Lots to enjoy about it, including the contrasts within it, and the contrasts when leaving it (for the welcome shelter of the Essex Alps). Good to see TG smoothly turning his big gear uphill on his way back to MK, somewhere around Guilden Morden (?).

Our headwinds were gentle ones, though they did whittlesey away my unprecedented six hours in hand at Goole, until only one was left at the Finish. Had a good conversation there with Glen, before he drove off at about midnight and I (noticing that Dunmow is a lovely peaceful place) took a seventh short sleep before ambling off (similar style, too slow for a DIY200, good bus shelters, less heavily booked) to Oxford for a night in a bed. And another day home to Bradford on Avon.

Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Oscar's dad on 17 September, 2013, 10:44:23 am
Oh my fooking gawd  :o   :o  That must have been a horrible ride.  Well done to you both  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: delthebike on 18 September, 2013, 11:14:30 am
 ::-) I've gone and been a bit previous and my shiny bits have arrived.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-b5tlIWKFsWk/Ujl73c69_eI/AAAAAAAAIC0/snJNTW8IB1M/s640/p9180965.jpg)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-uhjFf08YU2Y/Ujl74CPnkhI/AAAAAAAAIC0/TrMfZuFf40o/s640/p9180966.jpg)

I hope my brevet is okay and gets validated otherwise I'll be doing this ride again much sooner than next September!
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: delthebike on 28 September, 2013, 04:06:02 pm
 :thumbsup: Results are not provisional anymore!

I are a audaxer!  8)

Average age of the riders was 119! Just how old is bikey mikey?  ::-)
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: bikey-mikey on 28 September, 2013, 07:31:01 pm
:thumbsup: Results are not provisional anymore!

I are a audaxer!  8)

Average age of the riders was 119! Just how old is bikey mikey?  ::-)

errr....  I be 60 now......    ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Tomsk on 22 October, 2013, 07:22:36 pm
Permanent version now available  :thumbsup:

There might not be much call for it just now......
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: SJR on 13 May, 2014, 10:08:25 pm
I fancy this one for after my summer holiday.  Born and raised in the Fens.  Yellowbelly through and through.  Always nice get back there from time to time.  Wondering whether to get a Cracklodge booking in whilst they're cheap-ish for a few hours kip around the 400 mark.  Retford is looking cheap, as it always has, and not far off last year's route. Would it be close to this year's I wonder?
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Tomsk on 14 May, 2014, 09:03:45 am
Route is unchanged, other than the final stage now will go directly back from Chatteris through Cambridge to the finish.

There are two Premier Inns right on the route at about 400km in Lincoln: Central Lincoln and Canwick Hill. The latter was the #1 choice last year, as it means you set off again at the TOP of Canwick Hill......There is a Travelodge, but its on the far west side of the city.

I've already booked my Audax Hotel ;D
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: rob on 14 May, 2014, 10:44:44 am
This years is the weekend after the KCA 12hr again.   There was briefly a 2 week gap and then they moved the 12hr later, so I won't make it this year either.

I am looking forward to this being my PBP qualifier in 2015.   My oft-used Audax hotel will still be available.


Rob
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Oscar's dad on 14 May, 2014, 11:08:18 am
The Flatlands this year will be my second 600, the first being in 2012, when we rode to Hull and back with 6 hours in a Premier Inn.  Effectively the ride was two 300s and it worked very well. 

So, I find myself wondering what to do about night-time accommodation for this ride.  Of course I could go for a Premier Inn stylee option.  But I have never done the bus shelter thing and fancy giving it a try.  This option has particular appeal as I am also wondering what to do about sleeping during next year's PBP.  I'm not sure about the large communal dormitories as I am a light sleeper and I have also heard you sometimes need to queue for a bed.  Therefore I was wondering about a bivvy bag and lightweight sleeping bag so I could bed down at quiet spots close to the route.  The Flatlands could be a good opportunity to try this arrangement.

Any thoughts folks?
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: huggy on 14 May, 2014, 12:14:32 pm
Riding with Tomsk's train last year we didn't have enough time to luxuriate in Travelodges or the like, taking the steady pace & relaxed controls approach, although we did in fact finish with 2 hours in hand.  I spent a police-search-light-from-patrol-car interrupted hour of sleep in an Audax hotel with delthebike and Raymond from about 4am.  The flying helmets managed 6 hours in a Premier Inn I believe but rode far quicker than we were able to manage.
Note: Audax hotels are quite difficult to find on the 50k or so lead in to the environs of Lincoln so take your chance when you have it.

Edit: also note that this event is run at BRM timing and therefore is 40 hours for the 600k (plus small allowance for the more modest overdistance this year) - riding 600k as a DIY perm would allow an extra 2 hours for the same distance.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Christophe on 14 May, 2014, 02:36:13 pm
Therefore I was wondering about a bivvy bag and lightweight sleeping bag so I could bed down at quiet spots close to the route.  The Flatlands could be a good opportunity to try this arrangement.

Any thoughts folks?

This is what I did last year but without the sleeping bag. I thought it might weigh me down a bit so left it at Tomsk's - a decision I regretted as I spent an hour shivering in a church yard trying to get some sleep somewhere south of Goole.
Am doing a DIY 400 this weekend and am going to take the bag for a couple of hours kip somewhere in North Norfolk so I'll let you know how I get on. Also have a blow up pillow from the 99p shop.
You can borrow my bivvy for the Flatlands if you want as I won't be riding the calander event. Will be flying the perm solo on a carefully selected fair weather weekend during the summer. (I still have nightmares about the dreaded combination of fens and extreme weather after last year!)
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: bloomers100 on 14 May, 2014, 02:39:05 pm
The Flatlands this year will be my second 600, the first being in 2012, when we rode to Hull and back with 6 hours in a Premier Inn.  Effectively the ride was two 300s and it worked very well. 

So, I find myself wondering what to do about night-time accommodation for this ride.  Of course I could go for a Premier Inn stylee option.  But I have never done the bus shelter thing and fancy giving it a try.  This option has particular appeal as I am also wondering what to do about sleeping during next year's PBP.  I'm not sure about the large communal dormitories as I am a light sleeper and I have also heard you sometimes need to queue for a bed.  Therefore I was wondering about a bivvy bag and lightweight sleeping bag so I could bed down at quiet spots close to the route.  The Flatlands could be a good opportunity to try this arrangement.

Any thoughts folks?

I'm with you on the alfresco sleeping for PBP, from talking to Tomsk it sounds like a fair bit of time can be lost in the controls, the flatlands could be an excellent opportunity to try it out. I guess in both events it'll depend on the weather as to its success.

I think Tomsk was talked into 'An audience with Tomsk talking about PBP stuff'.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Oscar's dad on 14 May, 2014, 02:42:25 pm
Therefore I was wondering about a bivvy bag and lightweight sleeping bag so I could bed down at quiet spots close to the route.  The Flatlands could be a good opportunity to try this arrangement.

Any thoughts folks?

This is what I did last year but without the sleeping bag. I thought it might weigh me down a bit so left it at Tomsk's - a decision I regretted as I spent an hour shivering in a church yard trying to get some sleep somewhere south of Goole.
Am doing a DIY 400 this weekend and am going to take the bag for a couple of hours kip somewhere in North Norfolk so I'll let you know how I get on. Also have a blow up pillow from the 99p shop.
You can borrow my bivvy for the Flatlands if you want as I won't be riding the calander event. Will be flying the perm solo on a carefully selected fair weather weekend during the summer. (I still have nightmares about the dreaded combination of fens and extreme weather after last year!)

Look forward to hearing how you get on with the bivvy.  At the very least I would like a shufty at our bivvy bag, its an Alpkit Hunka isn't it?

I'm with you on the alfresco sleeping for PBP, from talking to Tomsk it sounds like a fair bit of time can be lost in the controls, the flatlands could be an excellent opportunity to try it out. I guess in both events it'll depend on the weather as to its success.

I think Tomsk was talked into 'An audience with Tomsk" talking about PBP stuff'.

I would welcome such an audience.  Perhaps one winter's evening.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Christophe on 14 May, 2014, 02:55:34 pm
[Look forward to hearing how you get on with the bivvy.  At the very least I would like a shufty at our bivvy bag, its an Alpkit Hunka isn't it?


Yes. Regular Hunka not the XL. Big enough for me so probably ok for you too. I'll bring it along if I ever get out one of these evenings.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Oscar's dad on 14 May, 2014, 02:59:59 pm
 :thumbsup:   :-*
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: delthebike on 14 May, 2014, 03:12:02 pm
I used a Hunka XL and fleece sleeping bag liner. What I really needed though was a mat of some kind as the ground was cold.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Oscar's dad on 14 May, 2014, 03:59:31 pm
I used a Hunka XL and fleece sleeping bag liner. What I really needed though was a mat of some kind as the ground was cold.

I was wondering about one of those three quarter length Thermarests, or just an old style foam mat.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Tomsk on 14 May, 2014, 05:38:06 pm
I think Tomsk was talked into 'An audience with Tomsk talking about PBP stuff'.

......summat like that - though there will be innumerable threads here and probably Arrivee articles too. Some time between now and the first qualifiers, at the Compasses, with any other PBP Ancien[nne]s that might come forward to share wisdom/how not to do it, cautionary tales etc.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Oscar's dad on 14 May, 2014, 06:49:39 pm
You're on to a winner Tomsk.  We plonk you into a comfy chair at a pub of your choice and ply you with free beer (its the least we can do) whilst you share your hard earned wisdom  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: bloomers100 on 14 May, 2014, 07:13:05 pm
I used a Hunka XL and fleece sleeping bag liner. What I really needed though was a mat of some kind as the ground was cold.

I was wondering about one of those three quarter length Thermarests, or just an old style foam mat.
I got my 3/4 thermarest style from decathlon, very reasonable, and works well.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Oscar's dad on 15 May, 2014, 07:33:41 am
^^^ Top tip, thanks!  I shall pop in next time I'm passing.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: PloddinPedro on 15 May, 2014, 08:11:33 am
................... with any other PBP Ancien[nne]s that might come forward to share wisdom/how not to do it, cautionary tales etc.
I can certainly contribute a few tips on how NOT to do it!
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Christophe on 15 May, 2014, 09:41:49 am
I used a Hunka XL and fleece sleeping bag liner. What I really needed though was a mat of some kind as the ground was cold.

I was wondering about one of those three quarter length Thermarests, or just an old style foam mat.
I got my 3/4 thermarest style from decathlon, very reasonable, and works well.

Looking at these myself last night. Vango and Decathlon do one. Looking at videos online I'd say the Decathlon packs down slightly smaller but is BRIGHT BLUE :o. Price about £25. The Thermarest equivalent is spendy.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: huggy on 15 May, 2014, 10:15:14 am
This is similar  (http://www.military1st.co.uk/cs037-highlander-emergency-survival-bag-orange.html) to what I used last year with my light weight sleeping bag in an Audax hotel, it was fine for the hour that it was used for  ::-)

I also have a couple of these self-inflating mats  (http://www.blacks.co.uk/activities/104985-multi-mat-trekker-compact-25-self-inflating-sleeping-mat.html) which is good for lightweight camping you are welcome to borrow, OD, but I don't think I'll be lugging one around The Flatlands.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Oscar's dad on 15 May, 2014, 10:35:34 am
Yus, I have a variety of full length Thermarest type mats but the 3/4 option should pack down smaller and lighter.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Ray 6701 on 23 July, 2014, 02:46:28 pm
Anyone from the Midlands riding this?  The train logistics just aren't working so I could really do with a lift.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Chris S on 23 July, 2014, 02:49:26 pm
Hmm. I'm just putting a place-holder on this thread. Nobody on my medical team has said "don't ride a 600, whatever you do" and sneaking an SR in would rescue something from a medically-f*cked-up season.

I suspect, despite her misgivings regarding the terrain, fboab would be up for it - I'll ask.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 23 July, 2014, 03:00:59 pm
HK and I are riding.
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: BikinOn on 23 July, 2014, 09:50:20 pm
DIY 300K book Saturday, so I just need to do this one for my Essex SR  ;D

One thing, I vaguely recall some talk about ditching the little bit of lumpy stuff at the end, say it ain't so! That was my favourite bit, I almost cheered when I finally got out of the wind and into a few hills!

As for light weight sleeping arrangements, these have been serving me well:
http://www.klymit.com/index.php/products-1/sleeping-pads/inertia-x-frame.html
http://www.backpackinglight.co.uk/practical/VE104.html
Title: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Tomsk on 24 July, 2014, 02:06:04 pm
^ Agreed - the lumps after Royston were fine, but the extra distance made for an additional 2 hours or so on the road and the possibility of finishing on MONDAY. The new run to the finish is still quite rolling after Saffron Walden, though.....
Title: Re: New 600km: 'The Flatlands' 7th/8th September
Post by: Bugloss on 27 July, 2014, 09:09:09 am
HK and I are riding.

Do they do Crème brûlée in this part of the continent, or will it be Chelsea Bun ?
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 27 July, 2014, 01:06:25 pm
Not that you're feeling hard done by...
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: wilkyboy on 27 July, 2014, 06:35:26 pm
I just checked the new route from Chatteris to arrivée via Cambridge and it goes past the end of our street  :thumbsup:  Unfortunately it's at 520km, so not really a viable sleep stop, but I should be able to twist Mrs WB's arm into coffee and caik for those I'm riding with  ;)
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: PloddinPedro on 27 July, 2014, 06:39:24 pm
That could very well be as far as I get!
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: redfalo on 01 August, 2014, 03:31:33 pm
With a mixture of excitement and anxiety, I've signed on for what will be my first 600k ride. I'll be rather slow, but hopefully steady. Would really fancy some company during the ride, but I reckon the peloton will be quite stretched out, won't it?

I hope to get a couple of hours of kip at Goole's Premier Inn, where I've booked a room for Saturday night.

I'm currently working on generating GPX files from the route sheet (the links to the 2013 GPX files further up in this post don't work anymore) and will post here them once finished.

Cheers
Olaf
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Cycling Daddy on 01 August, 2014, 03:59:13 pm
My heart says yes but head says no...I only just got away with the National 400.  But if my heart wins out I will be as slow or slower than everyone and happy to ride with you if you could restrain speedy urges Olaf.  Really I would want to do a 300 first.
Les
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Oscar's dad on 01 August, 2014, 04:08:07 pm
I'm trying for my second SR this year.  Just got the 200 and 600 to go so booked on The Flatlands.  The 300 and 400 confirmed to me the value of the slow but steady approach and I shall be adopting the same for the Flatlands.  I also like keeping stops short and sweet.

It means you must resist the temptation to keep up with groups or jump on the back of fast moving chains. So consequently you can spend large sections on your own as you ride your own ride which doesn't bother me.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Old Git on 01 August, 2014, 04:21:27 pm
I'm trying for my second SR this year.  Just got the 200 and 600 to go so booked on The Flatlands.  The 300 and 400 confirmed to me the value of the slow but steady approach and I shall be adopting the same for the Flatlands.  I also like keeping stops short and sweet.

It means you must resist the temptation to keep up with groups or jump on the back of fast moving chains. So consequently you can spend large sections on your own as you ride your own ride which doesn't bother me.

Thats because you are billý no mates  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Oscar's dad on 01 August, 2014, 04:37:13 pm
I'm trying for my second SR this year.  Just got the 200 and 600 to go so booked on The Flatlands.  The 300 and 400 confirmed to me the value of the slow but steady approach and I shall be adopting the same for the Flatlands.  I also like keeping stops short and sweet.

It means you must resist the temptation to keep up with groups or jump on the back of fast moving chains. So consequently you can spend large sections on your own as you ride your own ride which doesn't bother me.

Thats because you are billý no mates  :thumbsup:

Oi  ;D  Some of my mates disappear for months on end and I never hear from them.  Are you well old bean?
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Old Git on 01 August, 2014, 04:43:25 pm
I'm trying for my second SR this year.  Just got the 200 and 600 to go so booked on The Flatlands.  The 300 and 400 confirmed to me the value of the slow but steady approach and I shall be adopting the same for the Flatlands.  I also like keeping stops short and sweet.

It means you must resist the temptation to keep up with groups or jump on the back of fast moving chains. So consequently you can spend large sections on your own as you ride your own ride which doesn't bother me.



Thats because you are billý no mates  :thumbsup:

Oi  ;D  Some of my mates disappear for months on end and I never hear from them.  Are you well old bean?

Very good thanks..you?.. still on for PBP 2015?
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Oscar's dad on 01 August, 2014, 04:47:48 pm
I'm ticketty boo thank you.  Yes, still on for the PBP in 2015  :thumbsup:  You?
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Old Git on 01 August, 2014, 04:52:02 pm
I'm ticketty boo thank you.  Yes, still on for the PBP in 2015  :thumbsup:  You?

Rather than hijack Tomsk's thread I will PM you  ::-)8
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 01 August, 2014, 08:56:54 pm
Anybody know of suitable accommodation around 350km?
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: tonyh on 01 August, 2014, 09:50:59 pm
Last year I used a churchyard and a couple of fields.

Just noticed you said "accommodation" and "suitable".
(There's Tomsk's useful guide to Flatlands Bus Shelters, on the route sheet, but booking might be necessary.)
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 01 August, 2014, 09:55:50 pm
We are more inclined towards Travelodges than bus shelters, given the option.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Lars on 01 August, 2014, 10:22:15 pm
We are more inclined towards Travelodges than bus shelters, given the option.

Last year I couldn't find any suitable t-lodges on-route when planning the ride. Ended
up taking a 25k-ish diversion from the Goole control to the cheap Doncaster M18/M180 t-lodge,
and then returning to the route before the Gainsborough control.
 
Was able to get a five hour break, going full-value for the ride. Worked ok, but that t-lodge
was quite tricky to get to as the approach roads were M18 and M180 only. Found what on the map
looked like a doable lane to the lodge, but that turned out to be a barely walkable muddy grass trail.
This year plan to ride straight through and take it as it comes.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: teethgrinder on 02 August, 2014, 08:18:39 am
Anybody know of suitable accommodation around 350km?


I can only think of Lincoln, which is more like 400km. Travelodges there and you pass a Premier Inn about a mile or two south of Lincoln.
I'm not sure about Gainsborough, but I sometimes like to stop for a coffee at Gainsborough at the 24hr garage before the last 20 miles or so to Lincoln.
The rest is just fenland and small villages
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: redfalo on 02 August, 2014, 05:39:09 pm
Premier Inn at Goole is after 330 or so km. The Tavellodge at Lincoln is significantly (8k times 2) off course. I'm a novice to such kind of distances, but several experienced Audaxers independently from each other suggested 400plus km might be a bit too far for a kip stop. In between Goole and Lincoln seems to be a void. At least I could not find any 24hrs hotels at Gainsborough, and I reckon the route sheet would mention them if they exited.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: alotronic on 03 August, 2014, 11:17:07 am
Premier Inn at Goole is after 330 or so km.

I have booked there too. 330 does seem a little early but I'd rather have it booked now. Over 400 would be risky I think.

Note for others that I got a family room - I suspect this means they are running out of rooms as I tried to book a single.

My first 600 too redfalo, see you out there!

A
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Manotea on 03 August, 2014, 08:56:19 pm
Does anybody have a current gpx for this they can share?
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: redfalo on 03 August, 2014, 09:42:10 pm
Premier Inn at Goole is after 330 or so km.

I have booked there too. 330 does seem a little early but I'd rather have it booked now. Over 400 would be risky I think.

Note for others that I got a family room - I suspect this means they are running out of rooms as I tried to book a single.

My first 600 too redfalo, see you out there!

A

Great stuff!
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: bhoot on 03 August, 2014, 10:37:55 pm
We can't do the calendar event this year, but in an attempt to get our shiny Essex SR badges we've entered the perm version. So in a couple of weeks we should be able to report back on the new flatter and shorter route...

Regarding accommodation, last year we booked the Premier Inn at Canwick and arrived there around 00.30 after the rather entertaining run through the revellers of Lincoln (with waiting police cars and ambulances!). This year we've booked the (I think new) Central Lincoln one which appears to be pretty much on route.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: rob on 04 August, 2014, 10:19:08 am
We can't do the calendar event this year, but in an attempt to get our shiny Essex SR badges we've entered the perm version. So in a couple of weeks we should be able to report back on the new flatter and shorter route...

Regarding accommodation, last year we booked the Premier Inn at Canwick and arrived there around 00.30 after the rather entertaining run through the revellers of Lincoln (with waiting police cars and ambulances!). This year we've booked the (I think new) Central Lincoln one which appears to be pretty much on route.

That one only opened this year but is very central.   It does mean you'll have to climb Canwick Hill straight after breakfast.   I hope to do this one as my qualifier next year.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: redfalo on 04 August, 2014, 12:19:16 pm
Does anybody have a current gpx for this they can share?

I'm working on turning the routesheet into GPX and will upload in a few days.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: wilkyboy on 04 August, 2014, 01:09:08 pm
Does anybody have a current gpx for this they can share?

Last year's updated for this year's noted changes:

Northbound:  http://ridewithgps.com/routes/3137955
Southbound:  http://ridewithgps.com/routes/5444496

I use a Garmin Edge, so not limited to 500 points or whatever it is, hence 2x300s; if you're using an eTrex then you will have to slice'n'dice yourself, sorry.  You can export your preferred format from the Export tab at the upper-right (for those not familiar with RWGPS).
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Ray 6701 on 04 August, 2014, 01:56:15 pm
I'm in  :)

Big thanks to Drone for offering me a lift & saving my SR series (subject to me finishing of course).

Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: redfalo on 04 August, 2014, 02:50:46 pm
Does anybody have a current gpx for this they can share?

Last year's updated for this year's noted changes:

Northbound:  http://ridewithgps.com/routes/3137955
Southbound:  http://ridewithgps.com/routes/5444496

I use a Garmin Edge, so not limited to 500 points or whatever it is, hence 2x300s; if you're using an eTrex then you will have to slice'n'dice yourself, sorry.  You can export your preferred format from the Export tab at the upper-right (for those not familiar with RWGPS).

Thanks! This was very helpful as I could double check my own tracks. If anyone wants to have a look, in the sequence of controls 

Stage 1: Great Dunmow to Red Lodge: http://www.gpsies.com/map.do?fileId=eespflcufbyqynjj (http://www.gpsies.com/map.do?fileId=eespflcufbyqynjj)


Stage 2: Red Lodge to Whittlesey
http://www.gpsies.com/map.do?fileId=jijnzeatqftrknxn

Stage 3: Whittlesey to Boston
http://www.gpsies.com/map.do?fileId=duzmtrhongmbyhqd

Stage 4: Boston to Kirton-on-Lindsey
http://www.gpsies.com/map.do?fileId=pllairqelmswluwx

Stage 5: Kirton-on-Lindsey to Goole
http://www.gpsies.com/map.do?fileId=fzmqvyiojyvqeavv

Stage 6: Goole to Gainsborough
http://www.gpsies.com/map.do?fileId=agmrasblwkdfmffi

Stage 7: Gainsborough to Sleaford
http://www.gpsies.com/map.do?fileId=kgzrahgzsswnukhb

(note: I'm routing the non-cobble option through Lincoln, so you may miss out on the local late night entertainment...)

Stage 8: Sleaford to Chatteris
http://www.gpsies.com/map.do?fileId=bpcpyqwppyaucjsw

Stage 9: Chatteris to Great Dunmow
http://www.gpsies.com/map.do?fileId=lchkvdnyzavjwqmg

Tom's warning remarks on  Cambridge's cyclists ("wayward") and the city's cycling infrastructure  ("varying usefulness) really made me chuckle.

I'm really looking forward to this. I'll spend Friday night (and probably Sunday night) at Great Dunmow's Travellodge. Is there any particular recommendation with regard to carb loading in GD? Anyone fancy a pre-ride pint? (Just one, honest!)

Cheers
Olaf

Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Tomsk on 07 August, 2014, 05:00:43 pm
^ The 'Angel and Harp' at Churchend, very near the start, is good for beer and food, though a bit up-market.....The traditional Tomsk pre-ride-carbo-load would be a 'Jalsa Ghar' curry at the Queen Victoria pub on the Stortford Road. [See: Hereward the Wake 300km] The 'China Garden' in the High Street is pretty good; 'Edwards' is the best chippy.

I'd make the A&H my finish control, though, to at least have a pint and meet a few other riders as they come in.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Ivan on 07 August, 2014, 05:07:53 pm
I'd make the A&H my finish control, though, to at least have a pint and meet a few other riders as they come in.

Note that it does stop serving food quite early on Sunday - I couldn't get a meal there last year and had to resort to a chippie on the high street, I guess this was around 9pm.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: redfalo on 07 August, 2014, 09:12:56 pm
I'd make the A&H my finish control, though, to at least have a pint and meet a few other riders as they come in.

Note that is does stop serving food quite early on Sunday - I couldn't get a meal there last year and had to resort to a chippie on the high street, I guess this was around 9pm.

Indeed. Website says kitchen closes at 8pm on Sundays. Another incentive to arrive early  ::-)
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: tippers_kiwi on 12 August, 2014, 11:25:35 am
Can I just ask, if you book at a Premier Inn/Travel Lodge etc do they let you take your bike into the room or do they have other places to lock them up that are safe.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: marcusjb on 12 August, 2014, 11:59:31 am
Can I just ask, if you book at a Premier Inn/Travel Lodge etc do they let you take your bike into the room or do they have other places to lock them up that are safe.

Never been refused (even with tandems) at a Travel Lodge
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: bhoot on 12 August, 2014, 12:31:52 pm
Can I just ask, if you book at a Premier Inn/Travel Lodge etc do they let you take your bike into the room or do they have other places to lock them up that are safe.

Never been refused (even with tandems) at a Travel Lodge

Our experience too....including one at Heston Services on the M4. Can be worth calling up to try to get a ground floor room allocated as it's just much easier (we learnt that after getting the tandem upstairs!)

Not tried to take a bike into a Premier Inn (although I am sure I read about lots of people doing that pre LEL) - we stopped at the Canwick Hill one last year on Flatlands and judged it safe enough to leave it outside but would probably have taken solo bikes in.

Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Oscar's dad on 12 August, 2014, 12:36:21 pm
When we did our Hull and Back 600 a couple of years back we arranged for our bikes to be locked in a Premier Inn meeting room.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Jethro on 12 August, 2014, 01:41:35 pm
Would like to ride this event, but sadly not this year!

I have been informed by someone that its on again in late May next year.

The one question that I have though - is the Premier Inn at Lincoln just a little too far for a sleep stop?
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: bhoot on 12 August, 2014, 04:29:21 pm
The one question that I have though - is the Premier Inn at Lincoln just a little too far for a sleep stop?
It worked OK for us last year, we got there about 00.30 and left again around 06.00 I think. But as we had never done a 600 before we didn't really have any feel for what would be the right distance to stop at.
I guess with the new trimmed down route this year, Lincoln is relatively nearer to the end!
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Tomsk on 12 August, 2014, 07:49:24 pm
I have been informed by someone that its on again in late May next year

The Flatlands 600km PBP qualifier is planned for 23rd May 2015. Probably revert to September in 2016.

The one question that I have though - is the Premier Inn at Lincoln just a little too far for a sleep stop?

Lincoln is about right unless you're either very slow or very fast. The Bus Shelter Posse were ensconced either side of the city. For me either 300/300 [needs will power to get up and start riding again in the dark] or 400/200 [ride late, up at dawn] works ok for me.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: rob on 12 August, 2014, 08:10:39 pm
I have been informed by someone that its on again in late May next year

The Flatlands 600km PBP qualifier is planned for 23rd May 2015. Probably revert to September in 2016

Yay and again yay.   Bank Holiday weekend and I don't need to struggle through a Monday in the office.   Parents house at 400k.   What's not to like ?

Any chance of a tip off as to when the others are ?   I'm planning way ahead for 2015.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: redfalo on 12 August, 2014, 10:27:15 pm

Any chance of a tip off as to when the others are ?   I'm planning way ahead for 2015.

here you go:
http://www.aukweb.net/events/?From=12%2F08%2F2014&To=12&Days=&Category=&Dist_min=600&Dist_max=&Aaa=&Region=

The only weird thing is that the calendar so far does not list ***any*** 400k rides for 2015  ???

Cheers
Olaf
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: jsabine on 13 August, 2014, 01:58:56 am

The only weird thing is that the calendar so far does not list ***any*** 400k rides for 2015  ???

Well, even for BRM, they don't have to be submitted let alone confirmed for a few weeks yet.

And in any case, five seem to have appeared in the past three or four hours - at least, they were there a couple of minutes ago.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: rob on 13 August, 2014, 06:42:26 am

Any chance of a tip off as to when the others are ?   I'm planning way ahead for 2015.

here you go:
http://www.aukweb.net/events/?From=12%2F08%2F2014&To=12&Days=&Category=&Dist_min=600&Dist_max=&Aaa=&Region=

The only weird thing is that the calendar so far does not list ***any*** 400k rides for 2015  ???

Cheers
Olaf

I should have been clearer.   I was after the dates for the Green and Yellow Fields and the Asparagus and Strawberries.


Rob
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Tomsk on 13 August, 2014, 08:11:07 am
Any chance of a tip off as to when the others are ?   I'm planning way ahead for 2015.

3 of my 4 qualifiers have been registered now, risk assessed etc, so they should appear in the AUK online calendar soon:

G&Y 300         11/04
A&S 400         09/05
Flatlands 600  23/05

Other organisers have picked their slots for qualifiers, but anything could change before the ACP deadline at the end of September. In particular there may be some negotiation to avoid clashes, though the AUK online planner makes it easy to check the time/geographic distribution of events.

Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: rob on 13 August, 2014, 09:28:38 am
Any chance of a tip off as to when the others are ?   I'm planning way ahead for 2015.

3 of my 4 qualifiers have been registered now, risk assessed etc, so they should appear in the AUK online calendar soon:

G&Y 300         11/04
A&S 400         09/05
Flatlands 600  23/05

Other organisers have picked their slots for qualifiers, but anything could change before the ACP deadline at the end of September. In particular there may be some negotiation to avoid clashes, though the AUK online planner makes it easy to check the time/geographic distribution of events.

Thanks, Tom.   I expect to do all of them.


Rob
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Bairn Again on 14 August, 2014, 10:19:04 am
Ive entered this event - though Ive done an SR this year Ive not done a BRM 400 or 600.

Am travelling from Edinburgh Friday afternoon, train to Kings X arriving just before 7pm then out to Bishops Stortford from Liverpool Street and a short ride to the Great Dunmow Travelodge Friday night.   

I'll probably just look to grab 40 winks at Goole or Gainsborough rather than book anywhere for sleeps during the event.  Home to Edinburgh overnight Sunday/Monday on the sleeper so no time pressure on the event. 

 
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Ray 6701 on 14 August, 2014, 02:22:54 pm
I take it Lincoln is not a control & Gainsborough & Sleaford are  ???

If so I could route via North Scarle to get some kip at my Sisters house & it shouldn't add on too much extra distance.

Edit: I'm pretty sure I'm right so I've re-routed & it only adds an extra 5miles  :)
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: BikinOn on 16 August, 2014, 02:48:01 pm
Going back to the far more important subject of food!

What about Sunday? I got in somewhere between 7 and 8pm last year as I recall and just got a pint at the Angel & Harp Pub, but it didn't look that good a bet for food, it took an age just to get a beer and my final receipt. Since I'll still have about 40 miles to do I'll want something a bit faster, are there any chip shops or fast food places open on a Sunday evening? I know this is England, so opening at convenient times on a Sunday is a mortal sin - somebody might enjoy themselves  :demon:
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Tomsk on 17 August, 2014, 05:17:48 pm
Going back to the far more important subject of food!

I'll have a word at the A&H to see if they can keep doing food longer on Sunday night : Next-doors lad is a chef there. For a quick takeaway, there is a kebab place just after the Post Office on the right [coming up from Churchend] that is guaranteed to be open when everything else is shut down. The Jalsa Ghar Curry House/Queen Vic pub on Stortford Road should be ok without booking, as you can probably be accommodated in the bar - they also do takeaways.

I take it Lincoln is not a control & Gainsborough & Sleaford are  ???

If so I could route via North Scarle to get some kip at my Sisters house & it shouldn't add on too much extra distance.

Edit: I'm pretty sure I'm right so I've re-routed & it only adds an extra 5miles  :)

Sound like a PLAN  :thumbsup: You might get company......
Sleaford is better placed distance-wise to be a control than Lincoln, though not a lot open there early in the morning - there is the services and McD's on the main road; you might also want to consider breakfast at the Wetherspoons in Sleaford, or again in Whittlesford [also not  controls].
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Bugloss on 18 August, 2014, 06:35:56 am
OK, I'm in and will be packing my nylon hotel for luxury accommodation @ somewhere around 400km.

Actually 368km Haxey Quayes campsite looks like it might be a winner, hopefully with showers too and it's bang on route.

http://www.haxeyquays.com

or http://www.lincoln.gov.uk/visitor-and-leisure/parks-and-open-spaces/hartsholme-country-park/hartsholme-country-park-campsite/110612.article

slightly off route at SW Lincoln
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: BikinOn on 18 August, 2014, 09:44:10 am
Thanks for the info Tomsk, I'm sure I'll want to eat before getting my last 40 bonus miles to home :-)

Last time I bivi bagged it somewhere outside Gainsborough and I hope to do the same again this time. As I recall Lincoln was a bit of a pain to get through, with an alley and cobble stone hills - well lumps, but a pain when I took a wrong turn and had to climb one :-) 

I do remember quite a nasty looking section going onto and along a dual carriage way, possibly on the outskirts of Lincoln that looked like you wouldn't want to do it later in traffic, those getting more sleep may want to check it out on the route and plan accordingly.

I must admit the McDonalds in Goole was actually welcome. Not a lot was open in Sleaford when I got there, so I rode on with a couple of others to the Green Welly for a late breakfast and will probably try to do the same this year, I normally carry enough food to keep me going if I can't find anything edible at a control.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Tomsk on 18 August, 2014, 02:57:18 pm
The dual carriageway south out of Lincoln isn't too bad. I've been through either way at busy times, including on LEL 2009. To avoid the cobbles down from the Castle/Catherdral Quarter you can go the slightly longer way round via the station [but more busy roads].

Re: Sleaford at the hour of early - there is a services up on the A17 with a McD's. Not tried it myself, but others have, on The Flatlands as well as on 'Arrows'.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: tippers_kiwi on 19 August, 2014, 11:28:50 am
After rather a lot of conversations with myself about a sleep plan for this ride and watching the price of various accommodation options rise I have decided I am going to go the full Audax experience on my First 600k which will complete my first SR Series in my first Audax season.

Bivvy Bag (Heatsheets Emergency Bivvy) should be on the way and I think I will just get a Sleeping Bag liner to go inside it then find somewhere to sleep in, on or under.

Having only the Trek Domane in Carbon restricts the volume of luggage I can carry but this combination should work with the Super C Audax bag either inside or out and will let me be a little more flexible about what point I sleep at. I managed the A&S with no real sleep and although I am aware each ride will be different I do think the excitement of it being my first ride will give me an extra few hours before needing to stop.

Anyway, look forward to seeing you all out there, it sounds like it will be quite a crowd on the road!
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: huggy on 19 August, 2014, 12:09:33 pm
This is the rack (http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/tortec-velocity-alloy-rear-rack-prod20132/) that I have fitted to my Audax bike for light/medium touring loads with side panniers, works very well for me  :thumbsup:
May be useful to you if you have the bosses to fix it to.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: bhoot on 20 August, 2014, 11:15:39 pm
We rode the Flatlands perm version last weekend. Took us longer to Lincoln than on last year's calendar event, but we appreciated the shorter route from Chatteris as it saved us having to slog down to Potton against the strongish south westerly wind. We stayed in the new Lincoln Central Premier Inn - pleased to report that taking the bike in was no problem, they put it in a room behind reception for us, but would have been happy for us to take solo bikes to the room, and even have a lift that looks big enough to accommodate them.

We still met some other audaxers - Chris Crossland (we didn't know his name at the time, Tomsk identified him for us) at Goole McD's as he was route-checking his Spurn Head 400, and someone else in the 24hr petrol station at Gainsborough, I think on a DIY/perm from Alfreton.

Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: danridesbikes on 21 August, 2014, 07:23:35 pm
Having only the Trek Domane in Carbon restricts the volume of luggage I can carry but this combination should work with the Super C Audax bag either inside or out and will let me be a little more flexible about what point I sleep at. I managed the A&S with no real sleep and although I am aware each ride will be different I do think the excitement of it being my first ride will give me an extra few hours before needing to stop.

Anyway, look forward to seeing you all out there, it sounds like it will be quite a crowd on the road!

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Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: danridesbikes on 21 August, 2014, 07:24:29 pm

Having only the Trek Domane in Carbon

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Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Bugloss on 21 August, 2014, 08:25:36 pm

Bivvy Bag (Heatsheets Emergency Bivvy) should be on the way and I think I will just get a Sleeping Bag liner to go inside it then find somewhere to sleep in, on or under.


Try your sleeping arrangements out before you get on the ride and do it exactly how you plan to on the ride, sweaty clothing and all. You may find that you'll be a bit chilly with just a liner, bivi bag and no mat to insulate you from the ground or add a bit of comfort. It's your first 600 so try to make it a good experience and not just an exercise in self punishment, otherwise you won't want to come back for more.

Be nice to yourself, you'll appreciate it at 3:30am and remember you may be on your own, wet, cold, hungry and having a "special humour Moment".

There are no prizes for being a hard man, just a stamp on a bit of card for finishing and that's what you want to aim for.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Tomsk on 26 August, 2014, 11:07:30 am
Anybody having trouble with the .gpx tracks linked to here? Some Flatlanders are, apparently, and you'll know this isn't my area of expertise.....
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: delthebike on 26 August, 2014, 01:11:35 pm
Anybody having trouble with the .gpx tracks linked to here? Some Flatlanders are, apparently, and you'll know this isn't my area of expertise.....
I've only put them into bikehike and no trouble there. I'll copy them into my garmin and see if they load up for navigation.

Still not decided if I'm doing this again... ???
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: tippers_kiwi on 26 August, 2014, 01:41:45 pm
those bags do look good...I'm going to roll with the Super C for this time and see how I go. I did a 200 this weekend and packed as if I was riding the 600k and I reckon I had all the essentials in there. The bar bag is tempting though!

I have the Crud Racer II guards on the bike, they seem to work well enough and are pretty quick and easy to put on and take off if the need arises. the one thing is though, they left a pretty large gouge at the back of the Bottom Bracket although I have done a DIY fix for that which seems to cover it.

Potentially doing one more 200 before the flatlands so I can just get the last bits of fine tuning done but I am much happier after this last weekend.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: tippers_kiwi on 26 August, 2014, 01:44:22 pm
Bugloss, thanks for the tip...it is a good thing to remember and something I probably loose sight of at times.

Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: delthebike on 26 August, 2014, 01:54:25 pm
After some editing of the track name down to Flat01, Flat02... etc, from
The Flatlands - Stage 0? - Somewhere to Somewhere Else, which is too big for my little Edge 605 screen to display, and deleting a lot of the crap that GPSies dumps into the file, they would appear to work fine.  :thumbsup:
(not tested all just three picked at random from the nine YMMV and Cavaet Emptor and E&OE and FOAD!)  ;D
Currently got the large North bound GPX in Calculating mode for navigation...

ETA: ...got bored waiting for that one to calculate!  :hand:
Now four/nine random ones seem to be okay!
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Tomsk on 26 August, 2014, 04:14:32 pm
^Thanks Del.....the route sheets still works fine, for those that use such things.  ;D
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Bugloss on 26 August, 2014, 04:18:16 pm
Bugloss, thanks for the tip...it is a good thing to remember and something I probably loose sight of at times.

No worries, just didn't want to see you without a smile on your face on day 2 as you cruise home in style.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Just a cyclist on 26 August, 2014, 09:11:19 pm
Hi

As I'm doing this ride on the 13th has anybody managed to get the gps files to work??? Each one I click I get a failed to load link http://sig.ukfsn.org/flatauk/flat001.gpx. I've been searching for weeks for a working GPX and have only found last years on a garmin website. I understand this years route has changed. Can you help or please point me to some where I can retrieve this route?

Kind regards
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Bugloss on 26 August, 2014, 09:35:38 pm
Hi

As I'm doing this ride on the 13th has anybody managed to get the gps files to work??? Each one I click I get a failed to load link http://sig.ukfsn.org/flatauk/flat001.gpx. I've been searching for weeks for a working GPX and have only found last years on a garmin website. I understand this years route has changed. Can you help or please point me to some where I can retrieve this route?

Kind regards

I'll send mine over when I've joined them all up into one TCX file for a Garmin 800 in a couple of days, just pm your email address.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: danridesbikes on 26 August, 2014, 09:52:12 pm
premium strava user? download the gpx from here?

http://www.strava.com/activities/144093700

be warned, on an 800 it takes upto 2 minutes to loads, garmin seems like its hanging, then kicks into life

 and maps is very very slow throughout, and there is no turn by turn, but on the map page its ok
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: tippers_kiwi on 26 August, 2014, 10:35:41 pm
I have created a route using the Route Sheet and named most of the turns as way points. I have put them in a shared folder, feel free to extract and use as you like.

I have not done the finer details through Lincoln as of yet and for some reason I seem to come out at 617km which I am still trying to find.

GPX files (Routes in Base Camp) for each of 9 legs named with the control at the end of the leg and also a Full Distance Route and Track (Full Files are each about 1MB) and I have also added a file with the Waypoints I have used.

Files are located at the following https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B3tS-Ctc-Zi9SW5vMHdJUGl5NjQ&usp=drive_web (https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B3tS-Ctc-Zi9SW5vMHdJUGl5NjQ&usp=drive_web)

For anyone that is interested I have also creatd a Garmin Adventure page http://adventures.garmin.com/en-US/by/nikbrunner/flatlands-600k/#overview (http://adventures.garmin.com/en-US/by/nikbrunner/flatlands-600k/#overview)

Not sure if any of that will be usable, I have not shared my GPX files before but thought I'd offer them out.

 
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Bugloss on 27 August, 2014, 07:21:51 am
THESE FILES HAVE NOT BEEN CHECKED AGAINST THE FLATLANDS 2014 CURRENT ROUTE SHEET

This is wilkyboys two tracks stitched into 1 for a Garmin 800.

It comes out at 612km or there abouts.

Whole Route.(Just for reference only) ******DONT USE THIS ONE AS YOUR TRACK FOR THE RIDE******
http://ridewithgps.com/routes/5803936

And split into two sections to use for the ride (Subject to revisions).

Going North.
http://ridewithgps.com/routes/5803970

Going South.
http://ridewithgps.com/routes/5800245

Disclaimer:  Use at your own risk Blah,blah.............

UPDATE: I will update these when the new ride route sheet is issued sometime soon, so check back later.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Christophe on 29 August, 2014, 09:15:46 am
I'm going on the Flatliners perm tomorrow and based my route on WilkyBoy's tracks so I guess I'll be guinea pig. :-\

Will report back on Monday pending recovery rate......
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Oscar's dad on 29 August, 2014, 09:50:49 am
Have fun!
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: tippers_kiwi on 29 August, 2014, 10:38:29 am
Looks like you'll have slightly better conditions than the last epic! Enjoy.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Christophe on 29 August, 2014, 10:51:48 am
Looks like you'll have slightly better conditions than the last epic! Enjoy.

Looking at the weather at least it looks like its going to be dry. Pretty fresh side wind till tea time tomorrow so probably will feel like a headwind out there! I'm hoping it will be nothing like last year's epic!
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: wilkyboy on 29 August, 2014, 05:56:36 pm
I'm going on the Flatliners perm tomorrow and based my route on WilkyBoy's tracks so I guess I'll be guinea pig. :-\

Yikes!  You're not making me nervous at all.  Would it help you to know that I always carry the routesheet and a map of the route as well?!

I checked the northerly leg yesterday and apart from going one way around Clare where the routesheet takes the other (it's no biggie -- same distance and possibly easier priorities) the route is okay. It's now updated on RWGPS anyway.

The southerly leg on RWGPS was fine last year and the change for this year from Chatteris thru Cambridge is fine -- not especially the route I would've chosen, but then I live in Cambridge, so would aim for quieter lanes that I know.  I'm still double-checking it just to be sure.

UPDATE: The southerly route was correct, apart from RWGPS sending you the wrong way around a couple of roundabouts, and a tiny (5m) deviation into a cul-de-sac and straight back out (imprecise plotting on my part, sorry) in Lincoln.  Otherwise it's fine.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: wilkyboy on 29 August, 2014, 06:20:59 pm
Tom, quick question: is Glew's Garage in Goole now a compulsory control, versus controlling a few km earlier in Goole itself?
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: danridesbikes on 29 August, 2014, 08:54:40 pm
Scunny travelodge is about 3km from the point where it crosses the trent in Althorpe, ok, its before you get to the northern point of Goole, but its next door to a pub, a 24hr mcdonalds and the tesco over the road is open until saturday midnight - closes until sunday 10am - travelodge is on the roundabout at the righ of the pic

(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y394/dansipods2/ScreenShot2014-08-29at205046_zpse48e0fb3.png) (http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/dansipods2/media/ScreenShot2014-08-29at205046_zpse48e0fb3.png.html)
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Tomsk on 30 August, 2014, 06:35:17 pm
Tom, quick question: is Glew's Garage in Goole now a compulsory control, versus controlling a few km earlier in Goole itself?

Yes, Glew's is THE control - use Goole town and the minimum distance is about 599km.....

Scunny travelodge is about 3km from the point where it crosses the trent in Althorpe, ok, its before you get to the northern point of Goole, but its next door to a pub, a 24hr mcdonalds and the tesco over the road is open until saturday midnight - closes until sunday 10am

A bit too early for most folk, I'd have thought, but useful to know anyhow. The 24 hour McD's next to Glew's got the thumbs-up from the 'Orange Tandem' on the 'Flatliner' the other week. They were there in daylight....
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Just a cyclist on 30 August, 2014, 07:41:48 pm
Many thanks for your posts regarding the gpx files for the Flatlands 600. I guess I'll see you down at the start on the 13th

regards
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: wilkyboy on 30 August, 2014, 08:03:37 pm
Yes, Glew's is THE control - use Goole town and the minimum distance is about 599km.....

Thanks Tom.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: mds101 on 31 August, 2014, 08:56:49 pm
Entered this one in an attempt to get an SR out of what has been a disappointing season. Looking forward to it, just need to work out how I'm going to get there now.

Are there many riding?
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Needham-matt on 31 August, 2014, 09:09:21 pm
Judging by the email over 100 have entered... More than I thought would be taking part.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Bugloss on 01 September, 2014, 05:27:32 am
Judging by the email over 100 have entered... More than I thought would be taking part.

Just goes to show how many there are who love a brisk headwind.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Rainmaker on 01 September, 2014, 08:29:17 am

 

Quote from: Needham-matt Yesterday at 09:09:21 PM

Judging by the email over 100 have entered... More than I thought would be taking part.

Posted by: Bugloss: Today at 05:27:32 AM

Just goes to show how many there are who love a brisk headwind

Perhaps it shows those people who would like to  ride a 600 that doesn't include xxxxx metres of climbing, long live the flat earth society!
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Bugloss on 01 September, 2014, 08:47:20 am

Perhaps it shows those people who would like to  ride a 600 that doesn't include xxxxx metres of climbing, long live the flat earth society!

Being a big fan of the flat and dead straight roads, I can appreciate that.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Christophe on 01 September, 2014, 09:52:40 am
Well, the Flatliner's perm is in the bag as is my maiden SR pending Tomsk's confirmation.
The ride generally went off without a hitch. Got held up for a bit at Red Lodge where a bus load of pensioners from Luton were having a quick cuppa on their way to Great Yarmouth for the day. The ride north west to Boston from there was in to a pretty stiff wind so a lot of heads down low gear twiddling. After that it was pretty much plain sailing. A bit of a grind on the way back from Goole as I was feeling pretty tired at that point. Also there was a night time sportive going on in the Goole area and kept getting stopped by organisers in vans telling me I was going the wrong way! Managed to push on to just before Sleaford where I spent a couple of hours bivvying under a bush. Joined the early morning drinkers at Spoons in Sleaford for breakfast and then managed the rest of the ride in pretty much 3 hits, arriving back at Dunmow at 8.30. With riding to the start and back, 668km for the weekend so also my longest ride to date.
All in all a pretty good ride and quick for me at 37.5 hours. Have to say though flat land riding is relentless and after three 600's I think I'll give the fens a miss for a while....
Feeling ok this morning and legs working fine so no mishaps getting off the train, probably much to the disappointment of Bloomers.

As far as Wilkyboy's track goes its spot on. The only problem I had was that when loaded on to an Etrex and shown on the map it disappears at about Kirton so added a couple of extra track to make up the difference.

Hope you all have fun next week.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: tonyh on 01 September, 2014, 09:57:25 am
Great stuff Christophe. Enjoyed your report, too.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Oscar's dad on 01 September, 2014, 10:11:44 am
Hats off Chris!

Never Ming bloomers, I'm disappointed you didn't have another train platform incident. That has to be one of the funniest stories ever!
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Christophe on 01 September, 2014, 11:13:25 am
Hats off Chris!

Never Ming bloomers, I'm disappointed you didn't have another train platform incident. That has to be one of the funniest stories ever!

Cheers. Legs are stiffening up nicely an feet are starting to go numb so there's plenty of opportunity for some misdemeanour or other. Also getting a few comments regarding my wind burnt face this morning as well.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: wilkyboy on 01 September, 2014, 11:15:51 am
Well done Christophe.  "Relentless" is a good word for it -- I still have nightmares about last year's ride.

As far as Wilkyboy's track goes its spot on. The only problem I had was that when loaded on to an Etrex and shown on the map it disappears at about Kirton so added a couple of extra track to make up the difference.

Thanks for the route-check.  Noted about the eTrex issue -- I'm not sure why that should be, there's no magic on my part, sounds like a pure eTrex 250-point limit issue and that it could do with splitting the route into 4x150km (3x200 won't work for this route, because a good deal of the north section is there-and-back).
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: tippers_kiwi on 01 September, 2014, 11:26:53 am
Nice work Christophe! Hoping the wind calms down over the next couple of weeks although from what I have been told and seen on here there is not much chance of a quiet ride over the fens.....twice!

Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Christophe on 01 September, 2014, 11:30:21 am
Noted about the eTrex issue -- I'm not sure why that should be, there's no magic on my part, sounds like a pure eTrex 250-point limit issue

Guessed that was probably the issue. On ridewithgps and Basecamp it's fine. The track was invaluable coming back through Cambridge as well. I usually get lost!

On the subject of Cambridge, just be aware that the route takes a turn in Longstanton which is sign posted as a dead end but is in fact perfectly passable. I was a bit fuddled by that point and started searching for an alternative route which was not needed.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: tonyh on 01 September, 2014, 11:36:27 am
I still have nightmares about last year's ride.

A year later, I can almost begin to believe that I enjoyed nearly every moment of it!
Anyway, definitely an excellent event. Sorry can't attempt it this time. Glad there's a good entry.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: wilkyboy on 01 September, 2014, 12:21:49 pm
On the subject of Cambridge, just be aware that the route takes a turn in Longstanton which is sign posted as a dead end but is in fact perfectly passable. I was a bit fuddled by that point and started searching for an alternative route which was not needed.

TBH, I think a better/nicer/MUCH-smoother route is to use the guided busway from before Longstanton to just outside Histon then to Girton (where one resides -- a bit far to be a sleep stop), which nicely avoids any confusion about this no-traffic section, which is not in the bestest of repair:
The busway is quiet, ultra-smooth and traffic-free, a pleasant change after the riverside run from Earith to Willingham, and the difference in distance is about 200m. It's also the end of the flatness of the previous 500km (excepting Lincoln), as the road starts to elevate almost immediately into Girton (compared to the Fens).

And brace yourself for Cambridge on a Sunday -- Tom's not telling fibs when he says to watch out for wandering tourists!
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Tomsk on 01 September, 2014, 02:55:54 pm
Well done Christophe - the route has been well and truly tested of late....the Busway alternative looks interesting, Wilkyboy - we may well give it a go.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Delph Cyclist on 01 September, 2014, 03:52:01 pm
TBH, I think a better/nicer/MUCH-smoother route is to use the guided busway from before Longstanton to just outside Histon then to Girton

I was looking at the map and wondering whether to use the busway.  I had wanted to give the busway a try while on LEL but decided that going off-piste at that late stage of the event might prove to be a mistake, and of course the Cambridge busway had one major drawback in that it went to Cambridge (understandably enough).
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: bhoot on 01 September, 2014, 04:29:50 pm
A bit too early for most folk, I'd have thought, but useful to know anyhow. The 24 hour McD's next to Glew's got the thumbs-up from the 'Orange Tandem' on the 'Flatliner' the other week. They were there in daylight....

Not quite - we had to put the lights on somewhere around Keadby (just after crossing the Trent) - and we had more daylight than you will!
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: MikeH on 01 September, 2014, 05:00:01 pm
I used the busway on LEL, and was very impressed - very nice option.  If you are in a group just make sure everyone is very aware of the bollards that narrow the lane massively every time there's a junction - you'll see what I mean as soon as you encounter the first junction.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Bugloss on 01 September, 2014, 05:08:45 pm
It seems the busway is the puppy. Will you put it on the route sheet?
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: wilkyboy on 01 September, 2014, 05:11:25 pm
I was looking at the map and wondering whether to use the busway.  I had wanted to give the busway a try while on LEL but decided that going off-piste at that late stage of the event might prove to be a mistake, and of course the Cambridge busway had one major drawback in that it went to Cambridge (understandably enough).

Not as interesting as the official route, true, but definitely flatter and quicker and therefore very welcome after 1300km.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: bhoot on 01 September, 2014, 05:17:06 pm
Not as interesting as the official route, true, but definitely flatter and quicker and therefore very welcome after 1300km.
And so smooth - for a few blissful minutes you can imagine that you are in the Netherlands, or Germany, or Denmark (or pretty much any other Northern European country) until the potholes and patched surface jolt you back to UK reality.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: wilkyboy on 01 September, 2014, 05:20:43 pm
It seems the busway is the puppy. Will you put it on the route sheet?

Delete the crossed out lines and insert the bolded lines into the final page of the Word Doc routesheet from the AUK site: 

SO TLS in Willingham and at Busway

1st exit RBT $ LONGSTANTON

SO mrbt

L @ T & IMM R [no thru’ road  $]

SO TLS no $ [Cambridge Rd]


After 1.5km L @ TLS $ No Entry "Except Guided Bus" onto service road to L of busway itself, $ No Vehicles "Except Authorised Vehicles", but with green local signs for non-vehicular traffic

SO @ TLS & IMM cross busway to service road (which is now on R)

R @ TLS $ GIRTON [New Road]

L @ T $ GIRTON, Cambridge


SO mrbt in Girton


That should do ya :)

EDIT  New southerly route here including the busway diversion:  http://ridewithgps.com/routes/5867967
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Bugloss on 01 September, 2014, 06:03:53 pm
until the potholes and patched surface jolt you back to UK reality.

Don't, you're putting me off
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: wilkyboy on 01 September, 2014, 06:35:43 pm
until the potholes and patched surface jolt you back to UK reality.

Don't, you're putting me off

That's not the busway.  That's after L@T into Girton and you ride it both ways.  Enjoy the 5.5km of super-smooth busway, it's a lot rougher the other way around.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: alotronic on 01 September, 2014, 06:59:00 pm
Thanks for the route Nik. Does this mean you got permission to ride?!

I am deeply committed to a stop in a comfy hotel half way, this being my first 600 and expect to be heading towards the time limit, despite the flatness. A finish is a win in my book :-)

I do believe that it is inevitable that every ride on the Essex SR series will be a strong tailwind followed by a brisk headwind... I expect nothing less. The memory of the last half of the Green and Yellow solo still makes me wince. So like that, only double... yikes!

Al
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: wilkyboy on 01 September, 2014, 11:27:35 pm
Thanks for the route Nik. Does this mean you got permission to ride?!

I am deeply committed to a stop in a comfy hotel half way, this being my first 600 and expect to be heading towards the time limit, despite the flatness. A finish is a win in my book :-)

I do believe that it is inevitable that every ride on the Essex SR series will be a strong tailwind followed by a brisk headwind... I expect nothing less. The memory of the last half of the Green and Yellow solo still makes me wince. So like that, only double... yikes!

At the moment yes, but waiting for RL to catch up and drag me off to some family do or other.

And, yes, the headwind is undoubtedly going to be there: last year we got to the turn in about 14.5 hours with a strong-ish tailwind (325km), which was really quick for me.  And it then took about 25 hours to ride 305km back (including sleep stop).  Don't get too comfortable in your hotel if the wind is up, as you'll need all the time available to winch yourself back over the fens into a blow!  Once you hit Cambridge then you're back among hills (gently rolling) and hedgerows where any headwind is far less of a burden, and it only gets better as you get further south.

Here's hoping for a northerly, so we can get the hard work out the way while we're all fresh on Saturday and get a nice push all the way home on Sunday.  I'm hoping, but you know it ain't gonna be so.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Bugloss on 02 September, 2014, 05:14:35 am
All I can say is that it's been freakishly windless here on the other side of the North Sea for the last few months.......which is worrying.

But don't worry, there's not a hurricane on its way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqs1YXfdtGE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqs1YXfdtGE)
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Veloman on 02 September, 2014, 08:38:41 am
Here's hoping for a northerly on the Sunday with a southerly on the Saturday, so we can get the hard work out the way while we're all fresh on Saturday and get a nice push all the way home on Sunday.  I'm hoping, but you know it ain't gonna be so and will continue to hope with increasing positive thoughts to generate the good zen!

FTFY
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: alotronic on 02 September, 2014, 08:58:11 am
Don't get too comfortable in your hotel if the wind is up, as you'll need all the time available to winch yourself back over the fens into a blow!

Point taken Nick... I am going to fit aerobars for this one  :P
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Jack_P on 02 September, 2014, 09:34:13 am
Over 100 entered sounds busy then. Entered this last week but not had an email yet, guess I'd better chase it up.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Paul Mellon on 02 September, 2014, 10:44:27 am
Hi All,

Rather than search 19 pages. Has anyone sorted a gpx file for this ride, if so could they post it again so I could use it.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Bunker22 on 02 September, 2014, 01:16:37 pm
Hi All,

Rather than search 19 pages. Has anyone sorted a gpx file for this ride, if so could they post it again so I could use it.

Cheers

Paul

Do you want someone to ride the event for you as well? You don't seem to want to put much effort in, like going back a page or so  :P
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Christophe on 02 September, 2014, 02:10:31 pm
Over 100 entered sounds busy then.

If you want a curry at Kirton I'd book a table now if I was you.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Delph Cyclist on 02 September, 2014, 07:16:49 pm
If you want a curry at Kirton I'd book a table now if I was you.

Hmm, I think I'll give that a miss, I wouldn't want to spoil my appetite for those dough-nuts at Airmyn/Goole

Rather than search 19 pages. Has anyone sorted a gpx file for this ride, if so could they post it again so I could use it.
Do you want someone to ride the event for you as well? You don't seem to want to put much effort in, like going back a page or so  :P

Ha Ha Ha.  See reply number 418.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: danridesbikes on 02 September, 2014, 11:46:27 pm
Over 100 entered sounds busy then.

If you want a curry at Kirton I'd book a table now if I was you.

i used to live next to the pizza shop at the bottom of the hill (on an industrial estate?) in Kirton, proper filthy, but such a good margarita :)
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: wilkyboy on 03 September, 2014, 12:03:23 am
i used to live next to the pizza shop at the bottom of the hill (on an industrial estate?) in Kirton, proper filthy, but such a good margarita :)

This one?  Proper filthy indeed: we (probably mostly me) couldn't face the drag back up the hill for fish'n'chips last year and had a greasy pizza there instead.  Their receipts were dodgy and we had to submit additional photos as PoP.

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2851/9758376933_1ef26b91d0_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wilky/9758376933/)

Looking at the photo: it may have been windy, but we had amazing weather.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Paul Mellon on 03 September, 2014, 08:19:45 am
Hi All,

Rather than search 19 pages. Has anyone sorted a gpx file for this ride, if so could they post it again so I could use it.

Cheers

Paul

Do you want someone to ride the event for you as well? You don't seem to want to put much effort in, like going back a page or so  :P

That would be helpful, but only of I can grab the BRM km's for PBP year............................... :P ;) ;D

Thanks Delph Cyclist
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Old Git on 03 September, 2014, 03:16:23 pm
Gpx files on page 17, Northbound and Southbound as 2 files
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Redlight on 03 September, 2014, 05:09:21 pm
Well, better late than never - I'm in. This will be my first Audax since my little altercation with a van at the beginning of the year so I'll be taking it very gently  :)  Haven't decided whether to go up the night before or take the 4.40 train from Liverpool Street on Saturday morning. 
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: danridesbikes on 03 September, 2014, 10:40:52 pm
i used to live next to the pizza shop at the bottom of the hill (on an industrial estate?) in Kirton, proper filthy, but such a good margarita :)

This one?  Proper filthy indeed: we (probably mostly me) couldn't face the drag back up the hill for fish'n'chips last year and had a greasy pizza there instead.  Their receipts were dodgy and we had to submit additional photos as PoP.

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2851/9758376933_1ef26b91d0_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wilky/9758376933/)

Looking at the photo: it may have been windy, but we had amazing weather.

yup thats the one, there a row of terraced houses next door, then a big farm building, i rented the middle on,
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Tomsk on 05 September, 2014, 08:14:19 am
Route ridden and updated/corrected [thanks Bikey Mikey] and paperwork going in the post today.....Emailed out to the rest tonight or tomorrow.....
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: redfalo on 05 September, 2014, 09:39:12 am
I'm really gutted but due to unforeseen family affairs, I can't do the ride.

I have two bookings in the Travellodge in Great Dunmow for the Friday and Sunday night as well as one in the Premier Inn in Goole for Saturday night.

Both are already pre-payed and  non-refundable. If anyone is still looking for a room, I'm happy to pass the bookings on, for let's say half the night's price. The Tavellodge would be 16 quid per night (original price: 32 pounds) , the Premier Inn 25.50 pounds (instead of 51 pounds).

Drop me an email to o dot storbeck at gmail to com

I hope everyone will have a good ride!
Cheers
Olaf

Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Veloman on 05 September, 2014, 09:48:40 am
I'm really gutted but due to unforeseen family affairs, I can't do the ride.

I have two bookings in the Travellodge in Great Dunmow for the Friday and Sunday night as well as one in the Premier Inn in Goole for Saturday night.

Both are already pre-payed and  non-refundable. If anyone is still looking for a room, I'm happy to pass the bookings on, for let's say half the night's price. The Tavellodge would be 16 quid per night (original price: 32 pounds) , the Premier Inn 25.50 pounds (instead of 51 pounds).

Drop me an email to o dot storbeck at gmail to com

I hope everyone will have a good ride!
Cheers
Olaf

First dibs please.

You have PM
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Tomsk on 05 September, 2014, 05:34:46 pm
Having been up in and around Cambridge today getting new info questions for 'Hereward' 2015 at Ickleton and Willingham, I thought I'd try out Wilkyboy's busway cyclepath alternative. I concur that it is indeed a lovely stretch of tarmac and I commend it to the house.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Delph Cyclist on 05 September, 2014, 09:24:34 pm
Having been up in and around Cambridge today getting new info questions for 'Hereward' 2015 at Ickleton and Willingham, I thought I'd try out Wilkyboy's busway cyclepath alternative. I concur that it is indeed a lovely stretch of tarmac and I commend it to the house.   :thumbsup:

Nice to think that those millions of pounds weren't wasted after all
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Tomsk on 06 September, 2014, 06:39:37 pm
140 entries !!

Good grief !!

And that's with a few drop-outs already, sadly. On past form, maybe 3/4 of the entries turn up on the day, unless the forecast is dire. If we get over 108 validations, that'll be more than this year's BCM 600!

I'm reserving my bus shelter NOW and getting shares in Wetherspoons ;D

Email with extra info and the revised routesheet nearly ready to go......
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: delthebike on 06 September, 2014, 06:53:01 pm
140 entries !!
How many church halls in GD?
I hope Bugloss gets over the pestilence he's reported elsewhere. He'll still be a carrier though so you'll need a quarantine section and make sure he rides the lantern rouge!  ;)
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Jack_P on 06 September, 2014, 09:52:33 pm
140 entries !!

Good grief !!

And that's with a few drop-outs already, sadly. On past form, maybe 3/4 of the entries turn up on the day, unless the forecast is dire. If we get over 108 validations, that'll be more than this year's BCM 600!

I'm reserving my bus shelter NOW and getting shares in Wetherspoons ;D

Email with extra info and the revised routesheet nearly ready to go......
Thanks for the very concise extra info, that's convinced me to ride over and stop in the "new" church hall Friday.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Bugloss on 06 September, 2014, 10:25:38 pm
Sniff, sniff.....erhhmmmm! I'll be staying in the church hall too. Is there a quarantine section ?


Only messing, I'm bringing my own oxygen tent. I wouldn't want to loose a nights sleep listening to you lot snore.

Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: bikey-mikey on 06 September, 2014, 11:27:41 pm
Route ridden and updated/corrected [thanks Bikey Mikey] and paperwork going in the post today.....Emailed out to the rest tonight or tomorrow.....

It was a pleasure, and though I had a headwind BOTH ways, I still managed five & a half hours in a travelodge, where I had a very quick shower, using most of the time for zzzzzzzzzs.....  I managed my timing to still have around two hours in hand as I finished.  :smug:

I started at 6 am and got to Goole at about 10:15 pm  ;)

Then went to Gainsborough via Scunthorpe Travelodge, from where I rode straight down the A152 (?) to GainsB, rather than going sideways to follow the official route, which cost me an extra 16 kms, I'm guessing. I've not been home yet so can't download the rides to be certain.

Red Lodge are expecting you, as is Glews Garage at Goole...

Good luck everyone !!!  ;D
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: redfalo on 07 September, 2014, 01:18:01 am
I'm really gutted but due to unforeseen family affairs, I can't do the ride.

I have two bookings in the Travellodge in Great Dunmow for the Friday and Sunday night as well as one in the Premier Inn in Goole for Saturday night.

Both are already pre-payed and  non-refundable. If anyone is still looking for a room, I'm happy to pass the bookings on, for let's say half the night's price. The Tavellodge would be 16 quid per night (original price: 32 pounds) , the Premier Inn 25.50 pounds (instead of 51 pounds).


all rooms are gone. have a nice ride everyone and be safe!
Cheers

Olaf
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: BikinOn on 07 September, 2014, 09:44:49 am
So, with a likely 100 starters if the weather isn't really bad, I'm guessing 15+ sleeping at the start. Hmmm, me thinks I might get a better night's sleep in my own bed and suck it up on an early morning start  :-\ it's only an extra 40 mile warm up

I guess the route sheet will turn up this week and I'll do my own check out, not that I don't trust others work, but I like to be sure  :)
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Tomsk on 07 September, 2014, 06:19:44 pm
  ^  15 + very much  !!

Routesheets etc emailed last night, postal ones sent Friday. If anyone's has gone astray in the mountain of organiser's stuff I've been dealing with, I apologise....and give me a prod if you need anything.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Lars on 07 September, 2014, 06:57:24 pm
  ^  15 + very much  !!

Routesheets etc emailed last night, postal ones sent Friday. If anyone's has gone astray in the mountain of organiser's stuff I've been dealing with, I apologise....and give me a prod if you need anything.

Good you will allow a "selfie PoP" at Red Lodge - I suspect that control might be complete mayhem at the peak. It was rather congested
last year already. MF 1,200 relied on selfie PoP quite a lot in minor places, and it worked really well it seemed. Think that is the way
forward if events will  e fewer with more participants, as seems to be the vision of the men in charge.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Lars on 07 September, 2014, 07:23:08 pm

Good you will allow a "selfie PoP" at Red Lodge - I suspect that control might be complete mayhem at the peak.

The information also lists a rubber stamp available at Red Lodge, that can't take long?

If the cafe owner is happy with people getting into their establishment, go straight to the head of the queue, stamp their card and then exit without buying anything guess so.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Bairn Again on 07 September, 2014, 08:06:39 pm
Ive had to DNS this one due to a family illness.

Have let Tomsk know.  Thankfully Travelodge was refundable but travel is up in smoke. 
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Tomsk on 08 September, 2014, 05:05:17 pm

The information also lists a rubber stamp available at Red Lodge, that can't take long?

I don't think they'd take kindly to stamping cards for queue jumpers as well as trying to diminish the queue of hungry randonneurs, though I suppose a diy effort would work as would a pile of stickers for you to collect. No, I'll stick with the plan and leave it up to 'selfies' for P.o.P....pity its not a 500km+ control, the pics might be more amusing. :D
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Redlight on 08 September, 2014, 06:56:05 pm
.pity its not a 500km+ control, the pics might be more amusing. :D


Well, you could always split the field into two groups and get one to do the ride in reverse....

Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Wingnut on 08 September, 2014, 07:15:07 pm
To all those that have contributed to the Flatlands 600 GPS route for Garmin:  thanakyou, from a Garmin virgin computer techno numpty.  See yawl Satdee.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Tomsk on 08 September, 2014, 07:53:02 pm
.pity its not a 500km+ control, the pics might be more amusing. :D


Well, you could always split the field into two groups and get one to do the ride in reverse....

I did the calendar version of York-Cambridge-York in reverse like that once many, many kms ago - waved to several crossing the Humber Bridge [having got permission to start Friday evening]. I think I was off the official route heading south through Saturday night, choosing a more main-road-through-the-night approach and seeing nobody.

We have had a Lincolnshire rider do the Flatliner permanent with a Sleaford start, this summer. He had to do a lot of lanes in the dark and got to some odd places at even odder times......some inventive control/food/shelter manoeuvers!
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: tippers_kiwi on 08 September, 2014, 09:38:23 pm
Just looking at the Busway option in Cambridge, is there any reason that you could not take that all the way through to Trumpington should your rear end be enjoying all the flatness smoothness? It looks to join up to the route on the route on the A1301
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Tomsk on 08 September, 2014, 09:49:26 pm
Just looking at the Busway option in Cambridge, is there any reason that you could not take that all the way through to Trumpington should your rear end be enjoying all the flatness smoothness? It looks to join up to the route on the route on the A1301

Probably, though I haven't looked in detail, it would mean a few bonus kms and some less scenic parts of Cambridge too.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: tippers_kiwi on 08 September, 2014, 10:20:04 pm
 ;D ...wonder how tired I will be!
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Flatlander on 09 September, 2014, 12:57:48 am
Just looking at the Busway option in Cambridge, is there any reason that you could not take that all the way through to Trumpington should your rear end be enjoying all the flatness smoothness? It looks to join up to the route on the route on the A1301
The busway dumps you on either the Histon road (B1049) or the Milton (A1309) road from the north.  It is possible to stay on it to south of the A14 then go through housing estates. Whichever way you go, the busway does not join up with the southern section which starts at the station and takes you to Trumpington. What you imagine to be the extension to the south west of the A1309 from an aerial shot used to be a track to a dead end but is now a building site as they put an access road in for the new station. This was the old St Ives railway line which used to link up to Chesterton sidings and hence to the main line to London.

I recommend leaving the busway in Histon by the old station from where south on Cambridge Road and onto the B1049. The A14 roundabout isn't too bad and there is an on road cycle lane on the southbound exit to you don't get caught up in the left turning lane.

I can't recommend the town Centre between 10am and 5pm, you will be walking through the crowds along Trinity street although by Kings parade you will be Ok to ride again. Note also you can't go southbound on Sidney Street(off route), as it's one way.

I'll probably do this: https://goo.gl/maps/d2IfB (https://goo.gl/maps/d2IfB) but note the B1383 is no better for traffic and driver competence  than the A1301
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Tomsk on 09 September, 2014, 07:36:49 am
^ Actually I like the crowds in Cambridge, provided I'm not in a hurry - I might well enjoy a little walk by this stage and become a tourist, admiring the architecture, if you can focus your 1000 yard stare  ;)

The alternative to the A1301 from Gt Shelford is ok too - it is the reverse of the 'Hereward the Wake' 300km first leg [which has an info control in Ickleton]. If I'm fed up with the traffic I'll do the cyclepath to the Hinxton R turn to pick it up; then there is the option of a 'hill-dodger's long-cut' that avoids Saffron Walden and its lovely little lumps altogether: follows the Cam valley to Elsenham, then via Stansted Airport perimeter road to Molehill Green, approaching Dunmow from the west through Bamber's Green. We'll take a vote.....
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: tippers_kiwi on 09 September, 2014, 12:02:27 pm
Thanks for that info on the Busway, that means I don't ahve to look any further and wonder! I'll take the suggestion from Wilkyboy and put it in my route sheet but leave the Garmin with the original track so I have both options.

All these alternatives! I am hoping for some form of Autopilot south of Cambridge as I'll find things a little more familiar. As good as the hill dodging sounds I'm going to man up and take them on, or that is the intention anyway!

Thanks again for all the help and tips.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: alotronic on 09 September, 2014, 01:19:02 pm
All these alternatives! I am hoping for some form of Autopilot south of Cambridge as I'll find things a little more familiar. As good as the hill dodging sounds I'm going to man up and take them on, or that is the intention anyway!

Being a kiwi manning-up is compulsory isn't it? On the other hand, that was one of the reasons I left  ;) See you on the side of the hill somewhere, gasping...
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: tippers_kiwi on 09 September, 2014, 02:32:16 pm
haha True...Unfortunately sometimes my Swiss heritage shows up, Damn it! Must pack the concrete pills just in case!

The only reason I quite like hauling my 18 stone A**e up a hill is it makes the down side a whole lot more fun.

Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: wilkyboy on 09 September, 2014, 10:49:01 pm
I was waiting for the other foot to fall and it did: I will be DNS'ing the calendar ride in favour of an unavoidable all-hands family get-together, and I will instead be riding the perm at some point in the next fortnight or so for my Essex SR.

I wish you all the best of weather and the flattest of rides: long-range is looking overcast with a north-easterly breeze, which will be a gentle crosswind in the main part.  Not amazing weather, but not the killer headwind we had last year either.  And it will all have changed by the weekend anyway.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: teethgrinder on 11 September, 2014, 10:14:02 pm
I'll be using this event as my September Special 600 where I try and help first time 600s on their way. I'll hang around the back of the ride and work my way up to anyone who'd like me to join them.
Good to see this event with such a big entry. One of my original aims with my September 600s was to try and convince potential organisers that there was a demand for 600s after June and to have events more suitable for beginners, without lots of AAA points. I don;t know if my September rides had any influence on the coming of this event or the new Windsor Chester Windsor, but I think it's a good thing all the same.

Cheers for the GPX tracks. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Bugloss on 11 September, 2014, 10:19:36 pm
I think I might be needing a wheel to follow now and then, as I've got a feeling I'll be dragging my arse around this one.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Ultradiscostu on 11 September, 2014, 11:07:15 pm
I have created a route using the Route Sheet and named most of the turns as way points. I have put them in a shared folder, feel free to extract and use as you like.

I have not done the finer details through Lincoln as of yet and for some reason I seem to come out at 617km which I am still trying to find.

GPX files (Routes in Base Camp) for each of 9 legs named with the control at the end of the leg and also a Full Distance Route and Track (Full Files are each about 1MB) and I have also added a file with the Waypoints I have used.

Files are located at the following https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B3tS-Ctc-Zi9SW5vMHdJUGl5NjQ&usp=drive_web (https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B3tS-Ctc-Zi9SW5vMHdJUGl5NjQ&usp=drive_web)

For anyone that is interested I have also creatd a Garmin Adventure page http://adventures.garmin.com/en-US/by/nikbrunner/flatlands-600k/#overview (http://adventures.garmin.com/en-US/by/nikbrunner/flatlands-600k/#overview)

Not sure if any of that will be usable, I have not shared my GPX files before but thought I'd offer them out.

Hey tippers_kiwi thanks so much for the above files which I've downloaded and put onto my etrex30. I notice however that the total mileage for the 9 stages is 338 miles, whereas the route notes indicate 375 miles (606km) Any ideas why the difference?
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Bugloss on 12 September, 2014, 06:43:59 am
Going North - Checked with current route sheet with approximate control flags http://ridewithgps.com/routes/5803970

Going South - Same as above missing Lincoln TS and visiting Wetherspoons in Spalding-No Busway diversion in Cambridge, use route sheet http://ridewithgps.com/routes/5800245


Disclaimer: Use at your own risk etc., etc. blah, blah!
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Christophe on 12 September, 2014, 09:11:07 am
Good luck to all you Flatlanders. Looks like it's at least going to stay dry and not to cold during the night. Watch out for that wind! It's not as predictable as the forecast suggests!

Cheers.

Chris
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: dawsy on 12 September, 2014, 09:27:40 am
Just checking out our accommodation for 2 at Scunthorpe and find I have booked for October Doh........... Wondered why it was so cheap. Now too late to book anything else. Anyone got any cancellations they want to be relieved of at short notice or other constructive ideas. Can pay you by paypal? Anyway if you send me a message I can pick it up on my phone and call you. It's a long shot so might be in a bus shelter somewhere!! I will be checking my booking dates more carefully from now on!!
Dawsy
PS we are a tandem couple!
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Tomsk on 12 September, 2014, 10:03:43 am
Last-minute flurry of DNSs - commiserations to all concerned.

Safe journey to Dunmow, folks and see you tonight, or tomorrow at Audax o'clock......
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Veloman on 12 September, 2014, 10:15:09 am
Just checking out our accommodation for 2 at Scunthorpe and find I have booked for October Doh........... !

Places available at Premier Inn, Lincoln (Canwick), but cost is £125.

Plenty of opportunities for sleep in Sleaford at McDs or Spoons followed by a luxurious sleep on the grass along the route.

I wish you luck!
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Oscar's dad on 12 September, 2014, 10:19:33 am
I'm all packed and ready for the tippers_kiwi team car to scoop me and Huggy up at 0515hrs tomorrow morning.  Tonight I shall be eating mostly pasta!

I am looking forward to meeting some new yacf faces over the course of the weekend plus old friends.  I'm a tall bloke riding a blue Ribble with a hi-vis yellow Bridge Street saddle bag.  Tomorrow I will be wearing a Cycles Huez jersey possibly under a red Team Sky gillet.  No I'm not a dentist, the gillet was on special offer  :thumbsup:  I may or may not be wearing a Magic Hat TM.  My plan is to ride at a steady pace so you are unlikely to find me at the head of the field.  Please come and introduce yourself and say "hello!".
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Redlight on 12 September, 2014, 10:39:27 am
Just checking out our accommodation for 2 at Scunthorpe and find I have booked for October Doh........... 

I believe Tom also offers this route as a perm....  :)
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Redlight on 12 September, 2014, 10:42:09 am
Please come and introduce yourself and say "hello!".

I'll be lurking at the back too, I expect. Orange bike with black Carradice bag.  Probably in the Audax England top, as I feel semi-obliged to wear it myself.  No hat.

And looking very sleepy from leaving home at 04.30.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Oscar's dad on 12 September, 2014, 10:54:09 am
Just checking out our accommodation for 2 at Scunthorpe and find I have booked for October Doh........... 

I believe Tom also offers this route as a perm....  :)

No, no, no!  The stage is set for a romantic weekend in Scunthorpe in October  :thumbsup:  Hang on let me just check something ...

<toddles off to Goggle "Romantic weekend in Scunthorpe">...

Ah, there is a problem (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2274410/Scunthorpe-voted-romantic-place-UK.html)  ;D

Please come and introduce yourself and say "hello!".
I'll be lurking at the back too, I expect. Orange bike with black Carradice bag.  Probably in the Audax England top, as I feel semi-obliged to wear it myself.  No hat.

 :thumbsup:  Look forward to meeting you!
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: tippers_kiwi on 12 September, 2014, 10:54:46 am

Hey tippers_kiwi thanks so much for the above files which I've downloaded and put onto my etrex30. I notice however that the total mileage for the 9 stages is 338 miles, whereas the route notes indicate 375 miles (606km) Any ideas why the difference?

Hmmm, interesting. I just down loaded and I defo come to 617km, it just about looks like a whole leg is missing in your number. Leg 1 (61km) or Leg 7 (62km) seem likely.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Bairn Again on 12 September, 2014, 10:55:18 am
Good luck to everybody taking part in this one, Im a bit miffed that I cant make it this time. 

Weather looks reasonable too! 

 
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Ultradiscostu on 12 September, 2014, 11:20:05 am

Hmmm, interesting. I just down loaded and I defo come to 617km, it just about looks like a whole leg is missing in your number. Leg 1 (61km) or Leg 7 (62km) seem likely.
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That's what I thought but checked and they are all there. I thinks its my etrex which seems to do strange things. I'm still getting use to it as it played up at a recent Ride It event where I'd downloaded the GPX files but the distance displayed in the actual device were way off what the original file stated. I will just have to see when I'm at the start and locked onto a signal.

Thanks for replying tipper_kiwi and good to know that for you they do add up to the correct distance. Perhaps it was just wishful thinking on my part that you had managed to 'shave off' 37 miles from the route! :-D
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Ultradiscostu on 12 September, 2014, 11:22:51 am
BTW I will be easy to spot - just look for the tall guy 8' high on a Black ElliptiGO :-)  We are coming in force this time - 3 other ElliptiGO riders - Idai, Alan and Carl. Strength in numbers to battle the winds on the Fens! See you tonight if you are sleeping in the Church hall.  ::-)
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: huggy on 12 September, 2014, 11:29:18 am
Just a possible reason for the difference in calculated distance to actual to be travelled could be some eTrex giggery-pokery going on - a couple of sections of the whole route use the same roads and the eTrex could be helpfully calculating a shortcut between parallel paths where a common road joins them.  You, on the other hand can't take the shortcut  ;)
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Bikeabilityman on 12 September, 2014, 12:59:03 pm
BTW I will be easy to spot - just look for the tall guy 8' high on a Black ElliptiGO :-)  We are coming in force this time - 3 other ElliptiGO riders - Idai, Alan and Carl. Strength in numbers to battle the winds on the Fens! See you tonight if you are sleeping in the Church hall.  ::-)
But will you all finish this one?
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: BikinOn on 12 September, 2014, 01:59:47 pm
Tom - You did say there would be people around with Brevet cards until about 6:30am at the hall, right? It's just I refuse to get up earlier than 3am and while it shouldn't take a lot more than 2 hours to do the 40 miles to the start and I should be able to get out the door by 3:45am, a visit from the puncture fairy or a mechanical can never be ruled out :-)

If you want to say hi, I'll be the one on the Lynskey with the obligatory Carradice and lots of lights.

Not certain what some people downloaded for the route, the one I got hits the mileage pretty much on the nose. If it helps, I have the controls marked at:
Start   N51.88108 E0.36574
Cntl1   N52.30209 E0.48382
Cntl2   N52.55704 W0.13053
Cntl3   N52.97733 W0.02409
Cntl4   N53.47655 W0.58865
Cntl5   N53.70582 W0.91431
Cntl6   N53.38720 W0.76977
Cntl7   N52.99709 W0.40688
Cntl8   N52.46557 E0.04255
Arrivee / Food N51.87109 E0.36392
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Slimline Saxon on 12 September, 2014, 02:32:28 pm
Good luck everyone, the injury jinx has struck again and wiped out my right hand this time.

Always next season for Essex SR and PBP.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Ultradiscostu on 12 September, 2014, 02:33:09 pm
BTW I will be easy to spot - just look for the tall guy 8' high on a Black ElliptiGO :-)  We are coming in force this time - 3 other ElliptiGO riders - Idai, Alan and Carl. Strength in numbers to battle the winds on the Fens! See you tonight if you are sleeping in the Church hall.  ::-)
But will you all finish this one?

cheeky! But YES!!!   ::-)
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: tippers_kiwi on 12 September, 2014, 02:58:06 pm
Excellent, look forward to seeing the EliptiGO'so on the ride. I meant to say on my routes as well that I have put the non tourist route through Lincoln and the non busway through Cambridge.  I have some maps and route sheets for the finer points of the cities.

See you all in the morning. I'll be arriving with the Essex Alpes d'Huez team (or two of them anyway)
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Tomsk on 12 September, 2014, 05:22:18 pm
Tom - You did say there would be people around with Brevet cards until about 6:30am at the hall, right? It's just I refuse to get up earlier than 3am and while it shouldn't take a lot more than 2 hours to do the 40 miles to the start and I should be able to get out the door by 3:45am, a visit from the puncture fairy or a mechanical can never be ruled out :-)

If you want to say hi, I'll be the one on the Lynskey with the obligatory Carradice and lots of lights.


We reckon about 30 minutes or so to clear up and get on the road - there is one other I know of who can't make the 06:00 start, so I'm leaving a stash of brevet cards at Red Lodge - I'll trust you to mark your start time when you pick up your card. At least you won't have to queue for breakfast at the café  :)

You may pass us in a blur if you're still doing evens.....as already mentioned, I'll be in the 'Alpe d'Huez' group [if its warm enough to get down to short-sleeved layers] and on the big red 'Parkes Lightweight' fixie [on the fixed SR/RRtY/FWC treadmill this year]

Looking forward to seeing the reaction on the road to team ElliptiGO - especially if passing through Lincoln at club chucking out time  ;D
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Bikeabilityman on 12 September, 2014, 07:14:39 pm
BTW I will be easy to spot - just look for the tall guy 8' high on a Black ElliptiGO :-)  We are coming in force this time - 3 other ElliptiGO riders - Idai, Alan and Carl. Strength in numbers to battle the winds on the Fens! See you tonight if you are sleeping in the Church hall.  ::-)
But will you all finish this one?

cheeky! But YES!!!   ::-)
I saw an ElliptiGo group near Homebase in MK this evening. You do know how to move!
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Bikeabilityman on 12 September, 2014, 07:19:24 pm
Good luck everyone, the injury jinx has struck again and wiped out my right hand this time.

Always next season for Essex SR and PBP.
Nooo BS. I've got my Team MK top out ready for when I wake up at 3. My wrist is giving me cause for concern now, but I couldn't get to see a doctor, only the nurse, who prescribed Ibuprofen without even looking at it, even after I said I had broken the other one in the past. At least you've gone over the 50 mark this year (again). I have to finish this one!
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Slimline Saxon on 12 September, 2014, 09:14:18 pm
Keeping swollen fingers crossed for you Ritchie, no problem compared to your Mille Cymru exertions.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Old Git on 12 September, 2014, 10:15:40 pm
Good luck and have a safe ride to all,  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: PAC on 12 September, 2014, 10:20:42 pm
Have a great ride :thumbsup:..shame I couldn't make it this year!
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: tonyh on 13 September, 2014, 06:27:03 am
Have a great ride :thumbsup:..shame I couldn't make it this year!

+1
You're on your way :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Cycling Daddy on 13 September, 2014, 08:31:56 am
May the road rise up to meet you.
May the wind be always at your back.
May the sun shine warm upon your face;
the rains fall soft upon your fields and until we meet again,
may God hold you in the palm of His hand.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: wilkyboy on 14 September, 2014, 11:05:58 am
[whispers into the breeze:]  Anybody home yet?  :P
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: hellymedic on 14 September, 2014, 12:55:53 pm
[whispers into the breeze:]  Anybody home yet?  :P

Yup

According to my Twitter feed...
... he's been back 8 hours. GIT!
... Oranj finished a while back.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: cyclinggeezer on 14 September, 2014, 04:05:46 pm
Came across a number of Flatlands riders on my own DIY around Lincs yesterday and today. The wind heading towards Boston was a bit of a pain!I took my own route out to Coningsby  after that (hoping to see the 2 Lancs at BBMF) and did not catch up with any one else until Gainborough and had a pleasant conversation about all things audax on the garage forecourt. My last sighting was a horizontally prone rider in an audax hotel at Sturton by Stow near Lincoln.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Flatlander on 14 September, 2014, 05:10:16 pm
[whispers into the breeze:]  Anybody home yet?  :P

Yup

According to my Twitter feed...
... he's been back 8 hours. GIT!
... Oranj finished a while back.

At Whittlesey Oranj left just as I arrived. By halfway he was at lwas 2 hours up judging where we crossed. I made it back to Cambridge at 5am but shower, food and bed won. Cat went off at 9:15 and I was on the road for the last bit at 10:30. Finished at 12:15.

Main problem was in the second half I couldn't get my fixed up  shoulder comfortable.

Lincoln was good - took the tourist root. Lincoln drinker's appear to be very polite. Took one wrong turn near the bottom of the cobbles  because I couldn't read the Garmin. .

Stark industrial Landscape up North, especially at night.

Worst bit - busy main roads into Gainsborough as it was getting dark - probably serves we right for being too fast.

Thanks to Tomsk for organising .
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Flatlander on 14 September, 2014, 05:22:49 pm
...I took my own route out to Coningsby  after that (hoping to see the 2 Lancs at BBMF) ...

Although perhaps a little less impressive, a DC3 in this livery:
(http://img.planespotters.net/photo/324000/thumbnail/N473DC-Private-Douglas-DC-3_PlanespottersNet_324763.jpg)
did a low circuit of RAF Coningsby when I was on that section of the route yesterday.

Sky was full of biplanes when I returned to Cambridge this afternoon through Duxford foday - there is a big asishow on. A505 was gridlocked and Duxford village was a carpark with lots of people viewing from surrounding fields.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Bikeabilityman on 14 September, 2014, 07:09:35 pm
What about Team ElliptiGo? Were they seen riding together this time? I didn't see them after the start, but I expect a good report.

Me, I was enjoying the ride (but not the headwinds) until after Kirton, when I had to keep stopping to be sick (apart from the one time when I set off after being sick, and proceeded to vomit over my bars, etrex, phone, etc. Luckily, I had plenty of water for a rinse. The tandem couple on the way to Goole probably wondered why I was yo-yo-ing. It was coffee and Lucozade Sport (disagreed with me) after that, until I tried a chip bitty at the welly cafe to get me through the last leg (Cambridge and all those hills afterwards). The chips didn't settle!

I had to finish, because I had driven to the start, and I want to finish the year on 50 points for a nice cloth badge. Too many commitments on other weekends!
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Slimline Saxon on 14 September, 2014, 07:41:51 pm
Sounds like my July ride when I had to finish for RRTY, felt sick all day.

Job done, lots of points for Team MK and ready for the PBP season.

Entered the Essex SR PBP qualifiers today, third time lucky for the Essex shiny.

If Raymond finished, well done and sorry I was unable to ride with you.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Lars on 14 September, 2014, 10:17:29 pm
Nice weekend of riding. It was more wind than the forecast said it would be. But it was fair with both head and tailwind.
Maybe even a bit more overall tailwind since the Sat was more crosswinds and Sun more tailwinds it seemed. Temperatures
were ideal for riding. And zero rain.

Had a very civilized 600. Had booked Travelodge in Scunthorpe after about 360k, which added about 15k. But it was
well worth it. Got there quite early and was asleep at 10.45 pm. Got up at 4.45 am in order to reach the Gainsborough
control with about 45 min margin. I really like having a long sleep break like that. Day 2 went fine and I finished just
before 6pm. Since pretty much zero horrible night riding misery it felt like two rides almost! None of the "March of
1,000 headless corpses" day 2 slog a full night's riding can bring. Thought the ride would be harder after the points
chase frenzy with 400, 300, 400, 400, 500 the five weekends leading up to this weekend. But luckily it was all fine!  :)

Thanks Tom for organising, and to Wilky for stepping in and manning the first control. Everyone queuing for receipts
at Red Lodge would probably have been quite chaotic otherwise!

If Dick Turpin's Day Out 200 perm, Green and Yellow Fields 300 perm and Asparagus and Strawberries 400 perm count
for the Essex SR The Flatlands would wrap up my Essex SR no 2. Chatted with Richard Ellis during the ride, and he thought
the rule might be only one perm would be allowed. Doesn't really matter since I already have the shiny medal since last
year though!
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: wilkyboy on 14 September, 2014, 10:27:07 pm
Nick, our new controller, held us all for a few minutes until the control opened at 08:02 and then we were off again.

Sorry 'bout that, but rules is rules  :demon: :P  The queue for the café was much shorter compared to last year, and turnaround on food much quicker I thought, in spite of several times the number of riders  :thumbsup:

And if you passed through Cambridge at 3am then you must've been back at arrivée by 5?  Crikey, that was quick!!!   :thumbsup:

If Dick Turpin's Day Out 200 perm, Green and Yellow Fields 300 perm and Asparagus and Strawberries 400 perm count
for the Essex SR The Flatlands would wrap up my Essex SR no 2. Chatted with Richard Ellis during the ride, and he thought
the rule might be only one perm would be allowed.

I thought the rule was Calendars and Perms okay, but only one DIY?  That's what I thought, but Tomsk's the Man.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Christophe on 15 September, 2014, 07:31:20 am
Congratulations to all who took part.

Any news on Team Alp D'Huez? Or are they still climbing those mountains?
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: delthebike on 15 September, 2014, 08:00:33 am
Congratulations to all who took part.

Any news on Team Alp D'Huez? Or are they still climbing those mountains?
We all got back from 2020ish. - 2120ish  :smug:
What a fantastically cracking good ride it was too!  ;D
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: bikey-mikey on 15 September, 2014, 08:41:03 am
Indeed well done all.  :thumbsup:

Any news of the pedal scooter brigade? Ideal event for them, and I hope all home safe ?
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Tomsk on 15 September, 2014, 09:52:42 am
^ Team ElliptiGo got in with a well judged, but still fairly slim margin. Not quite the last on the road, due to a few navigational errors by tired heads. As far as I know, all that made it to Chatteris in time were back before the cut off at 22:00.

'Team Alpe d'Huez' had a cracking ride, though sleep needs diverged, with OD peeling off early for by all accounts a verdant woodland idyll, Del and Huggy found the best of several 5* 'hotesl' on the ridge before Lincoln, where I just power-napped, being still a bit too alert and buzzing after a lot of Tomsk the Tank-Engine peloton-towing. I did need another few zzzzs on the little green in Girton, in order to be clear headed for the obstacle-course that is Cambridge.

Leaving the 'Audax Hotel' early, I had time for two feeds in Sleaford, at McD's AND the Packhorse :o - the extra calories were very much needed when the wind got up later: with the ziz-zag nature of many Fenland roads, it was a case of slog/zoom/slog, but never with the satisfaction you get from climbing hills.

A number of messages regarding pack-ers: no major catastrophes reported so far, but commiserations to those defeated by fitness issues, pain, lack of sleep, domestic crises and so on.....and 'chapeau' to those that, despite 'issues' managed to somehow keep going.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Needham-matt on 15 September, 2014, 10:07:39 am
My last sighting was a horizontally prone rider in an audax hotel at Sturton by Stow near Lincoln.

Could well have been me wrapped up in a silver foil blanket from about 12.30, didn't think I was sleeping all that well but I'd been down for 2 hours but only felt like 10 minutes . I think a bench would have been nicer bet for comfort. 

Not sure if this contravenes any publishing Audax times, but I quite enjoy looking at the Strava Flybys of these events to see where I fit with the pack, well the pack that is using Strava
http://labs.strava.com/flyby/viewer/#194463859 (http://labs.strava.com/flyby/viewer/#194463859)

My first 600 since PBP qualifying 2011, haven't done a 400 yet this year just lots of short faster rides as a way of training.

Thanks for organising!
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Tomsk on 15 September, 2014, 11:13:48 am
^ I'd have thought some kind of 'Anti-Strava' would be more in keeping with the Audax ethos, with kudos for 'full value' rides, most unhealthy calories consumed, most 'bonus' kms off route etc.

But then, I just don't 'get' Strava - instead of pretending to race - why not actually.....race? But hey, however/whatever you ride its all good.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Redlight on 15 September, 2014, 11:23:12 am
I was a bit apprehensive about this - partly because it was my first Audax since breaking my leg and ankle earlier this year and partly because of the resultant loss of fitness and addition of weight - and I was mentally prepared to cut it short if need be.  As it happened, the ankle held out fine but the other factors had some impact.

Straightforward run up from Great Dunmow up to Red Lodge, although inexplicably I managed to overlook an instruction on the route sheet and so added about 10km. Cafe was busy so I didn't stop. On to Whittlesey was fine, although the wind was starting to be noticeable on some of the more exposed stretches. Nearly got taken out by a clown with a caravan who seemed to have forgotten that he needed to wait for that to pass the cyclist as well before pulling in.

I found the stretch up to Boston hard going. LittleWheelsandBig very kindly offered me a tow but I could see that I was holding him back and encouraged him to press on. I was grazing along the road so stopped only for a quick coffee at the Wetherspoons in Boston, while others were ordering meals,  and had a steady, but solo, ride for the next 90km. I faffed about a bit at the Spar in Kirton Lindsay and so missed the departure of a decent sized group that had arrived about 20 minutes before me and would have been fun for the next stretch, but I pressed on solo and rolled in to Goole a little before midnight.  It had been a bit disheartening on the 12km of out-and-back to see so many lights coming the other way (including the Alpe d'Huez group, I think) and Goole was awash with young men racing around in tuned-up hatchbacks, so I was glad to get away again.

Goole to Gainsborough was a doddle, and I was glad to be doing it at night as I could imagine it being less pleasant when busy. There was quite a gathering at the Murco garage and we were treated to some entertaining demonstrations of what Gainsborough youth gets up to on a Saturday night.  I was particularly taken with the young lady who leapt out of her car and went over to some of the other riders for a chat, and then insisted on giving one of them a kiss before  being hauled back into the car. Never seen that happen on an Audax before.

I found Gainsborough to Sleaford a slog. The terrain was fine - it was actually nice to have some ups and downs again, with the possible exception of the climb out of Lincoln, which I remembered as a ba***rd from London-Edinburgh-London - but my legs were rebelling. About 25km from Sleaford I hit the wall. Tried eating but didn't have the energy to chew. I struggled on but lost a lot of time just crawling along in low gear. I spent a good hour in the town just sitting on a bench trying to get a sensible mix of savoury and sweet inside me and rehydrating a bit.

The wind was getting to be a bit of pain on the approach to Chatteris, especially after Spalding. Certainly the last few km, along a dead straight road with no cover, were grim. But the Green Welly Cafe made up for it. From the name, I was expecting something a bit more pretentious, maybe full of yummy mummies and serving quiche and salad, but instead we got a proper old-style roadside caff: mug of tea, double beans on toast, a milk shake and all for less than a fiver.   Perfect top up for the last leg, but I probably stayed too long as other riders came and went while I was still refuelling..

Cambridge was much as expected and there was a bit of weaving around tourists. My fave was the lady who walked backwards in to the road in front of me to take a photo. Then the roller coaster to Saffron Walden, which was unpleasant, with too many close passes. And I have always hated the road from Saffron Walden to Dunmow, so the least said the better.  I would have been fine under normal circumstances, but my legs were jelly by this point and I was simply crawling up the hills and coasting gently down them.

Rolled into Dunmow just before 6 and was home with a beer at 7.30. 

Any complaints are minor gripes on an otherwise great ride, though. Unfashionable though it might be in these days of GPS, I like Tom's route sheets not having any distances other than the stage lengths. In my view, it encourages you to look around and absorb the surroundings much more, rather than simply be watching the GPS screen for the next instruction or the accumulated kilometres on the computer. In fact, I didn't look at mine until I finished, which is when I discovered that I'd inadvertently reset it at some point and so had apparently ridden only 190km.

Personally, I was pleased to have done it without breaking for sleep, as I have this in mind for the outward leg of Paris-Brest-Paris next year, but it's obvious that I need to regain more fitness as my rolling speed was slower than I would like. Keeping riding over the winter should sort that - and a bit of self-discipline should sort out the weight!

Thanks to Tom and his merry band of helpers. It was great to see such a big field on a 600, let along one at this time of year. I thought the DIY brevet cards was great idea too.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 15 September, 2014, 11:37:41 am
PM me Redlight, so that I can work out how to return that extra weight to your saddlebag. Thanks for the loan.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: arabella on 15 September, 2014, 01:04:54 pm
Saw this on the BBC website, assume it was to do with this ride:
Quote
Reply #288
We were invaded by cyclists here in the middle of the Fens on Saturday - but they all stopped off in the town for lunch, which I've never seen done before. It wasn't a race as such, more of a touring assembly. When we have a race it's a real pain because they shut the town centre off and make it very difficult to get about - and they sometimes don't tell you which roads they are shutting.
(under this (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-29175088) story)
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Christophe on 15 September, 2014, 01:33:11 pm
Congratulations to all who took part.

Any news on Team Alp D'Huez? Or are they still climbing those mountains?
We all got back from 2020ish. - 2120ish  :smug:
What a fantastically cracking good ride it was too!  ;D

Congratulations to all of you. Looking forward to your tales over the coming days/ weeks.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Redlight on 15 September, 2014, 01:37:24 pm
Saw this on the BBC website, assume it was to do with this ride:
Quote
Reply #288
We were invaded by cyclists here in the middle of the Fens on Saturday - but they all stopped off in the town for lunch, which I've never seen done before. It wasn't a race as such, more of a touring assembly. When we have a race it's a real pain because they shut the town centre off and make it very difficult to get about - and they sometimes don't tell you which roads they are shutting.
(under this (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-29175088) story)

Presumably a resident of Whittlesey or Boston.  Some of the comments under that story are depressing, though.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: hellymedic on 15 September, 2014, 02:28:00 pm
Saw this on the BBC website, assume it was to do with this ride:
Quote
Reply #288
We were invaded by cyclists here in the middle of the Fens on Saturday - but they all stopped off in the town for lunch, which I've never seen done before. It wasn't a race as such, more of a touring assembly. When we have a race it's a real pain because they shut the town centre off and make it very difficult to get about - and they sometimes don't tell you which roads they are shutting.
(under this (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-29175088) story)
Presumably a resident of Whittlesey or Boston.  Some of the comments under that story are depressing, though.

So a group of people lunching in a small town is unusual and newsworthy to a resident?!
The Small Town must be very quiet!

Buying a Mars bar from a sweet shop will be news next...
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: delthebike on 15 September, 2014, 02:35:37 pm
As usual I arrived a bit early  ::-) so spent those four hours in the pub, chatting to three Irish riders, and reading a book in the churchyard.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-NyrSTeqlMqs/VBazdC8y_II/AAAAAAAAI8Q/OIiq8O7OKjU/s800/p9120917.jpg)

Presently Tomsk arrived and opened St. Mary's Church Hall. Joined by Dan we set about putting out the tables, chairs, and food for the Grand Depart the next morning. I set my sleeping quarters up in the corner opposite the stairs and under the time switch. Tick bloody tock all night! I think I had about four hours kip overall.
Come the morning I loaded up for the ride.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-RvYSzdIuqto/VBazegH1qcI/AAAAAAAAI8c/5f9pGiJn1LA/s800/p9130919.jpg)

The rest of the world turned up soon after 0500 and parked various vehicles, guided by Dan, behind the hall and when that was full they got to park just down the road.
Somehow I managed to volunteer myself as Signing in Clerk, it seemed a good idea at the time as a lot of people were having difficulty in "READING" the simple instructions taped to the table by Tomsk! And he wants his pens back!
The view outside from the Desk of Signing In.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ZposzPjee4Y/VBaze6UL9EI/AAAAAAAAI8g/xBbiJ9IxOuQ/s800/p9130921.jpg)

Flying Helmet Ada and Ali turn up. Honorary members of the Essex Alpe D'Huez group.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-7Usr6W4hDPI/VBazfvAZEHI/AAAAAAAAI8s/LefEhDhk8I0/s800/p9130922.jpg)

Huggy, Tomsk, Ada, and Ali ready for the off. 0630 after clearing the hall of 100+ randonneurs had eaten breakfast, dropped off bags, and stolen pens.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-MdCVeP9QP_g/VBazh5hsp5I/AAAAAAAAI84/AP8c0Vize_s/s800/p9130925.jpg)

We caught up with the EGOtists at Clare but we heard them several km's before we saw them!
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Xsa9UAgVMDE/VBazi_0ncOI/AAAAAAAAI9E/EzscLo68-Gk/s800/p9130928.jpg)

FHAda is happy at the EGOists stance on excercise. If you can't decide to run or cycle why not do both, at the same time?
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-kBSPsiVjvGg/VBazkn9pC3I/AAAAAAAAI9M/FRS2RjIwzwA/s800/p9130929.jpg)

EGOmaniac in tippy top shape!
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-S3GOuB00xsc/VBazo9fD9NI/AAAAAAAAI9s/deWtjUo91_4/s800/p9130933.jpg)

Joined by tippers_kiwi and Oscars Dad at Red Lodge.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-lZA2gksjgoQ/VBazprLnPlI/AAAAAAAAI90/MiEuf0iPYW0/s800/p9130934.jpg)

Second breakfast, Wilkyboy, aka Red Lodge Controller, waits for more to arrive.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-NNGYxgmqADA/VBazr4Pi5JI/AAAAAAAAI-A/N-05zlbJPy0/s800/p9130936.jpg)

On Peak Hill, the highest point hereabout at a dizzying 9m! Team Essex Alpe D'Huez got to the top without problem or oxygen!
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-juR6Cf0eMWI/VBazuEnerwI/AAAAAAAAI-M/ubeJa7MkHfo/s800/p9130938.jpg)

And looked good doing it too!
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-eCtjqTJeaTc/VBazvABamyI/AAAAAAAAI-U/bzUlviWEMrM/s800/p9130942.jpg)

FHAli had a minor incident that was soon sorted.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-IYtl5TUlrRc/VBazwIbadAI/AAAAAAAAI-c/sA9tflS0H_4/s800/p9130945.jpg)

Moon Under Water. I asked the staff what they had for a vegan to eat, she didn't know what the term was so I had to go vegetarian with a veggie burger and chips.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-zGk0xlJAsA4/VBazyllIl6I/AAAAAAAAI-s/RaHHpmRMZyo/s800/p9130948.jpg)

Energy drinks.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-bKp4lXOBn0c/VBaz08enbLI/AAAAAAAAI-8/5KPG3Dt1Bj0/s800/p9130950.jpg)

Tippers with a selection of drinking vessels.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-lyDGwRzKflA/VBaz2aLbrwI/AAAAAAAAI_E/pKyxSHq0eWY/s800/p9130951.jpg)

"We're gonna need a bigger spoon!"
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-CDaWqzyUfqI/VBaz4xYJ2aI/AAAAAAAAI_U/I4LzO28XL_E/s800/p9130953.jpg)

Without brane freeze too!
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-milcVGBCZfs/VBaz3EuI4zI/AAAAAAAAI_M/CZ3a1hAD9s8/s800/p9130952.jpg)

One Stop Kirton in Lyndsey.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-HrcdSDcnzLE/VBaz-INI19I/AAAAAAAAI_0/WP5WpTvPT78/s800/p9130958.jpg)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-S22S4TTzPtY/VBaz_jykEeI/AAAAAAAAJAA/WQCQHGa5bHg/s800/p9130959.jpg)

Gainsborough, only one drunk lady (not pictured) shouted at a sleeping rider asking if he was alright.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-q4lcrhbhZfA/VBa0AwNrtQI/AAAAAAAAJAM/T8iMDliz-0k/s800/p9140962.jpg)

What happens when a 24 spoke, lightweight, racing wheel meets an 18stone Kiwi on rough roads?
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Huggy and I found this delightful oak beamed bus shelter. It was clean and the en suite facilities were excellent. Best of all there were no neighbours who drove by shining million candle power light into our sleeping faces!
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The Pack Horse in Sleaford provided a different menu challenge to the last Spoons pub. I was reading the breakfast menu and asked what the porridge is made with. "Er, porridge!" was the reply. Huggy saved the day by saying it's milky so again I went for the vegetarian option and the large veg. breakfast. "Without the egg", "What would you like instead?", "I'll have extra mushrooms please." Plate duly arrives and there are two mushrooms! Still it was a nice breakfast and a good start.
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Our Glorious Leader and Benign Benefactor Tomsk. All hail and praise him with great praise for such a well run audax!
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Doubling the amount of ZZZ at Girton to 20 mins!
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And finally tippers_kiwi and his supreme bodge at Arrivee! Riding without sleep he finished at 1630, top stuff!
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These and more pics are here: https://picasaweb.google.com/117165246273658419612/Flatlands6002014

Well done Tomsk it was an excellent second audax for me!
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: hellymedic on 15 September, 2014, 03:11:46 pm
If the Moon Under Water was a Wetherspoons pub (most of that name are) you could peruse the menu online and choose before you enter...
http://www.jdwetherspoon.co.uk/home/food/dietary-requirements (http://www.jdwetherspoon.co.uk/home/food/dietary-requirements)

That reduces both Faff and aggravation.
Knowing what you'll order before arriving at a Control saves loads of time.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: alotronic on 15 September, 2014, 03:19:51 pm
Hi all, a quick write up, still tired so some of it might not make sense at all. Will scrub up for Arrive - and I need help with some of the names!

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After an early drive up from London I spent the first leg sorting out how fast I felt like riding, and spent a lot of it with a lovely couple from Wiltshire doing their first 600 too. I am not sure I have ever seen such well looked after and turned out bikes, made my trusty Kinesis CX bike look like the the worst house on the best street. On learning of their plan to get to Sleaford for their hotel I was a little horrified. At our pace that was going to take a long time (about 5:30AM as it turned out).

Did next big run up to Spalding and Boston into the wind with a nice chap from up north, a previous pbp/lel er who had managed about 90km this year and was planning to ride through. Madness. Hope you made it!

The best thing about this leg was that I had never ridden it before, I suspect local knowledge would have made it a real slog. My favourite bits were ‘40 foot bank’ which may have once been that before the road took the top 30ft off that, and ‘Peak Hill’ the signed climb to the top of that bank. Must check that one of Strava, surely the only signed hill which has no discernible beginning or end and doesn’t require a single gear shift.

We parted ways at Boston as I had previously scoped out a large ASDA on the edge of town. At this time of day it was a horrible place to be, but they had the sort of things I need - Gluten Free Chocolate Croissants no less. Score!

Being a colonial I did notice that Boston was near to New York and I figured there must be a list somewhere of once-great English towns gone to seed that have now great Colonial analogs. Boston would certainly be near the top of the ‘gone to seed’ part of that list. It’s the kind of place that Londoners like myself just forget exist. And the kind of place that the Conservative party wished would just go away. How much public services would be left in a town like that?

Grateful to turn out of the wind on the ride over to Goole, tt was here, as the fatigue was beginning to kick in in, that I had my encounter with ‘The Red King’ (to be recorded in another story).

I hooked up with a couple of the Irish contingent including ‘young one leg’ suffering with ITB trouble. Also tagging in this group was a guy who looked like he had started a local 25 mile training run and kept going (young, fit!) and ‘The Secret Smoker’ - you know who you are!

As I was hoteling in Goole this meant that sleep was rapidly approaching. Getting into the service station around 11:15 I reckoned I had to be out of the road about 3:30 to make life easy for myself. Premier Inn did it’s usual whammy of being excellent and rubbish at the same time. Yes I could take my bike into my room. No the water was not hot enough. Needless to say, I slept ok.

Setting back out from Goole I got a chance to try out my new Exposure Strada light. I bought this as I would be commuting on a range of bikes this winter and my dynamo is only on the Kinesis. All those who have the CYC60 will know the little oblong of white light you get which is, lets face it, completely adequate except for the lack of spread. But add in an Exposure running at 40% on ‘dip’ and it’s perfect with the exposure doing broad and the B&M doing ‘deep’. Lovely. I hadn’t intended to use this combo like that but it will be my default night setting now I think, having easily enough juice for all night on that power setting.

At Gainsborogh I caught up with the Team GoGo and team Irish, Young One Leg having progressed from Sore to Really F**cking Sore. I set off alone on this leg and plugged away, feeling ok enough but still with a bit of apprehension as my last solid meal had been a Jacket Potatoe in Whittelsey, other than that I had been following my primary food strategy which was ‘shove something in your gob every hour, regardless’. So far so good, but sometimes you know you can feel that meltdown coming, like a small obscure comet about to take out the planet. Well the comet had just come on the interstellar radar. ‘Real food’ was needed.

Now I have to confess that being a colonial and only having lived in the UK for fourteen years I have some strange ideas about the UK. Let me embarrass myself by sharing with you my perception of Lincoln. Now I have a very good friend from Lincoln who, as all those with a certain kind of ambition have done for hundreds of years, fled to London as soon as their age would let them, so my impression of Lincoln was not great. This, combined with my ignorance of geography of anything north of Cambridge, meant that I pictured it as a hideous, scratchy carbuncle on an otherwise flat, scorched plain. So it was with a degree of surprise that I came into on a lovely ridge. With views. And there is a nice cathedral, cute shops, an art gallery I had heard of. It may have been the tiredness but I actually thought that I could spend a day there looking around and it wouldn’t be a waste. Playing the inverted colonial name game I realised there is a Lincoln in New Zealand and it’s a dump (well in Kiwi terms anyway). I have a theory forming...

I already can’t remember the ride through to Sleaford which must mean that I was in need of breakfast. I got passed by a small group, no one I knew, so I graciously let them by.

The look on the already-harassed looking gentleman’s face in the Wetherspoons was not good. The phrase ‘Gluten Free’ often stresses out proprietors. They think you’ve being fussy or difficult just for fun. To their credit Wetherspoons actually has an allergens chart and I basically just read out everything that I could eat off the breakfast menu. He looked confused then just said, ‘That’s a veggie breakfast, just without toast.’ That’s what I’ll have then. ‘You know’, he said, ‘We should just do a gluten free breakfast!’. I couldn’t agree more.

After a pleasant breakfast with three others who had all, like me, slept over in Goole, I trundled out into the morning. I guessed there would be riders back by now, but I was content with my pace and  the comet had disappeared back into the outer reaches of deep space. Someone had said ‘once you reach Chatteris you’ve broken the back of it.’ Well it must be true, so I set off to do some violence.

This was probably the most challenging of Sunday’s sections. Mostly -zag - tailwind with the occasional - zig - stong cross or head wind, I as careful not to blast the downwind sections so that there was something in the tank for when the purple line on the Garmin turned left. Several people later mentioned one particular straight that turned almost fully back into the wind as being a distinct highlight, and I would have to agree.

Chicken dinner in the Green Wellie. Felt like a good idea at the time. Anyway, a chance to catch up on some other peoples progress as I had been solo since setting off from Goole. The Judith Swallow group was chatting away on one table, Tom and the Alpe de Huez on another. I chatted with a man who lived in Guernsey and had to catch the boat to Northern France to do his Audaxing, DIY. Also his first 600. The couple from Wiltshire where there too, traveling maybe fifteen minutes ahead. The upside to their very very long night being a short day today. ‘Young one leg’ came in, now ‘You Can’t Imagine’ sore. Poor guy had gone beyond the 1000 yard stare, it seemed like he had been looking, unblinking, at the sun for a thousand years.

This being my first 600 I was surprised at how the people that I had been riding with maybe an hour from the start where the same ones I was keeping time with 500km later. Of course it makes sense, mathematically, but it was odd, and then comforting. Even though I was riding by myself and keeping my own pace, I still had the feeling of riding with others. And then looking around the cafe I realised also that there were mostly first-timers in the room, but also the Judith Swallow group who had done this, well, quite a bit. Ahhhhhh, I thought, this is what it’s about - it’s probably not that much of a challenge for them, but they are still just riding along in good company watching the world go by.

I shared the ride into Cambridge with Judith’s group and got sent to the front as I had a purple line machine for the purposes of navigation. It was a little unnerving piloting them through, but I don’t think I made too bad a hash of it.

Gracefully letting them launch an attack and escape off the front on the road to Saffron Walden, I stopped for a last chocolate milk before Great Dunmow.  I knew it was a it lumpy and that I would need to keep my own pace. I knew I would make the end now, no problem, but I was prepared for it to be slooooow.

What I hadn’t counted on was every Audi in the world pouring down the road beside me. Welcome back to Essex. Man I hate that kind of road, the ones that are ‘made for cars’. No verge, fast bends and impatient locals. I was even overtaken down the hill on the main square of Thaxted where I was doing 25mph. Just because the guy could I guess. In this sort of situation I find my adrenalin goes up and I - pointlessly - lift my pace. I spent the last 7 miles from Thaxted saying a private black mass for the inventor of the SUV and really wanting this bit to be over.

The Anchor, at last. Wherein the very lovely people who probably just about run me off the road where now having dinner with their mothers. Outside where Judith’s group, the Alpe De Huez, Couple from Wiltshire looking like they had taken a turn on the tow path for an hour and Mr Guernsey. I wasn’t sure where Young One Leg was and hoped he was ok. And what about Team Gogo? What kind of hell where they in? How would you feel to put in that amount of effort and not make the time cut?

After a cup of tea and a while spent listening to stories around the table, I thanked Tom, packed a small feeling of accomplishment into my saddlebag and drove back to London, job done. First and Essex SR.  I am not naive enough to imagine that that was a properly tough ride but still felt good - I didn’t collapse, didn’t bonk; numb thumbs about the worst of it.. Now, what to do next I wonder?

 

Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Genosse Brymbo on 15 September, 2014, 03:45:54 pm
Saw this on the BBC website, assume it was to do with this ride:
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Reply #288
We were invaded by cyclists here in the middle of the Fens on Saturday - but they all stopped off in the town for lunch, which I've never seen done before. It wasn't a race as such, more of a touring assembly. When we have a race it's a real pain because they shut the town centre off and make it very difficult to get about - and they sometimes don't tell you which roads they are shutting.
(under this (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-29175088) story)
Presumably a resident of Whittlesey or Boston.  Some of the comments under that story are depressing, though.
So a group of people lunching in a small town is unusual and newsworthy to a resident?!
The Small Town must be very quiet!

Buying a Mars bar from a sweet shop will be news next...
There were several pinch points where groups of riders would encounter locals.  At the Moon in Boston the interested locals were astonished as the group on one table said they were heading for Goole (that far!?).  Holt's Spar in Kirton must have thought Christmas had arrived early given the number of riders and bikes in their courtyard  (I overdid it on the fig rolls here, carrying  both packs all the way back to the finish and only eating 3 biscuits).  At Wetherspoons in Whittlesey I ordered Sunday morning breakfast and was given a receipt, unrequested, with "Here's your receipt"; I fancy they'd got used to being asked.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: huggy on 15 September, 2014, 04:52:50 pm
Huggy, Tomsk, Ada, and Ali ready for the off. 0630 after clearing the hall of 100+ randonneurs had eaten breakfast, dropped off bags, and stolen pens.
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Nice write up Del, I should have you cycle round all rides with me as official chronographer  ;D

Noteworthy observations have been made by others, my contribution is that at about 400km in the 5* Audax hotel at checkout time my bike transformed itself from a machine to go out and enjoy myself to a tool of transportation to get me home. A resolution formed itself in my head that any thoughts of PBP and further rides beyond 300km would be consigned to dark & dusty recesses not to be seen again...today, on body recovery bounce back a dim light is shining itself to those dark recesses  :facepalm:
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: BikinOn on 15 September, 2014, 05:19:09 pm
Thanks to Tom for organizing the ride. I had a good time and certainly enjoyed the weather a lot more than last year  :)

After managing to be late and starting 45 mins behind the pack, I rode most of the first day on my own, with company only on the last stretch into Goole. Getting lost in Cambridge wasn't much fun, plus I almost ran over a kamikaze Japanese tourist, but I enjoyed the new last section and its lack of a headwind  ;D

I've got a few pics that I'll post later; I trust someone is writing the ride up for Arrivee?
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Bugloss on 15 September, 2014, 05:20:18 pm


It was flat, very flat........with a slight breeze.

Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: LMT on 15 September, 2014, 06:47:34 pm
My first 600. It was glorious and it was an adventure.

Many thanks to Tom for organizing.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Tomsk on 15 September, 2014, 07:22:35 pm
A few words from Raymond to pass on:

'Decided to give this event another try, being a non-hilly event and having enjoyed last year flatlands 600k. Made a steady start got overtaken by many riders as expected riding at a tortoise pace, including icycle during 1st leg. Similar to last year, managed to latch onto Tomsk, Huggy, Del et al train between Kirton-in-Linsey and Gainsborough, and was pleased for their kind and patient support during the night ride.  Had one hour catnap at one of Tomsk approved 5* audax hotels.  Glad to use a sleeping bag this time, after enduring an uncomfortably cold night last year. Didn't  expect a hilly section between Chatteris and Girton, as I thought Tomsk had taken the hilly bits out this year.  Pleased to have managed to finish the event within time and was fortunate that my rear wheel held up, after suffering a broken spoke during the night stage.  Hope the rider with a split rear rim managed to complete his ride.  My admirations to team elliptigo and the lass riding a trike for completing the event. Sorry to hear Big Saxon suffered a recurring wrist injury and would have welcomed his company as our riding pace are similar, wish him a fast recovery.  Thanks to Tom and his team of helpers in make this event possible.'

We saw a lot of Raymond, [of late the most prolific rider of my 'Dick Turpin's Day Out' 200km perm] who rides 'steady' but doesn't stop long.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: bloomers100 on 15 September, 2014, 07:48:31 pm
Great write ups and photographs, well done everyone.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Slimline Saxon on 15 September, 2014, 09:00:10 pm
Great job Raymond, looking forward to our adventures next season. Might even be about for the Chris Negus 200, remember last year it was my recovery ride after another gout attack that put me out of Flatlands.

Really disappointed to have missed most of Tom's longer rides this season so no SR, the big injury was from gardening, so none of that pre PBP. completed my second RRTY and should finish on 60 points so not a complete disaster.   
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: LMT on 15 September, 2014, 09:01:11 pm
As mentioned above this was my first 600, and the first time in a couple of years that I've done any sort of distance with my longest ride being 205 miles back in 2011. I have not done a lot of miles over the Summer (apart from the commute) and like wise for the last two weeks as I had a nasty stomach virus.

I like long distance cycling though, it brings with it physical and mental pain thus being a true test of your character and what you are about.

Checked into the Travelodge in Dunmow Friday night, and after hearing about people not getting a lot of kip who stayed at SMC I'm glad I did. Up at 0500hrs, shower, put on lycra, munched through a quarter box of Frosties and I'm good to go.

Picked up a couple of lost looking cyclists in the town centre whose bikes were facing the wrong way, got to the car park at 0545hrs to see the meanest looking low racer I've ever seen. It was good to see another bent on this ride but this was something else. And with it's mono blade and rear stay I'm thinking M5 or Mike Burrows? It was impressive, as was the tricycle, steel tourers and bikes that would not look out of place in the Pro Tour.

Checked in, got Brevet card and left at 0600hrs in a group of about 15 randonneurs. The fog was like a thick grey soup, it was fresh but not cold and there were a couple of rollers within the first few k's to warm the legs up. Caught up with a group and passed the time with someone who also had a recumbent, an ICE sprint, then broke off from the group, up a lovely 10%er and the roll down was quick heading to the Red Lodge cafe.

As I had already eaten I decided not to queue at the café, got my card stamped and made my way onwards to Whittlesey, the road was generally flat, the bike hummed and the k's clicked over one by one. And there were tractors, lots of tractors. Caught a bit of a crosswind on the straight road into Whittlesey and controlled (as did near enough everyone else) at Nisa. Had a quick chat with a guy wearing a CC London jersey. I would see this chap another four or five times during the ride which shows that these rides are not about being swift - they're about keeping going.

The ride to Boston was a toughie, a drag against a headwind with only trees (when they lined the road) offering any respite. And it was during this leg that I came across trio of cyclists of whom contained the (aforementioned in this thread) 'Italian Chap' Wearing full LiquiGas colours and riding a top notch Cannondale the thing that struck me about this guy was he looked like he was out on a day ride. Myself, I had the tools and equipment to deal with anything that should happen to my bike (barring a major failure such as the frame breaking in half) - something to think about for the next ride. Got to Boston a little after 1400hrs, ordered food which arrived 5 minutes later. A quick rest and it was on to Kirton.

A long leg, but heading in a NW direction the wind was now a tail/cross wind was a lot easier when riding. Nothing really happened on this leg, got to Kirton and controlled at the shop there. I declined to eat in the chippy.

The legs out to Glews and back to Gainsborough was lovely flat cycling, and the amount of different lights lining the route were surreal. Hellos given to returning cyclists were well received with a hello back.

At Gainsborough I was really starting to feel it, I could do with sleep. Checked the controls and the times and came up with a plan. It was now 0015hrs, get to Lincoln for about 0200hrs, book hotel, in bed by 0230hrs, sleep to 0900hrs and then make it to Sleaford in time for the 1100hrs control and then finish the rest of the ride. This was the plan, got to Canwick Hill Premier Inn - no rooms, lady phoned up the Premier Inn in the town centre - no rooms. The chap on the other end also mentioned that he too had turned away some cyclists who were now outside sleeping on some benches.

Anyways onto Sleaford along the main road which turned out to be a hallucinogenic trip. I saw a lady in the road bent over like she was washing her hair in the bath, various red lights, a man sitting on the side of the road, a tree house and also a couple of cyclists in a field although I think these were real. Got to the Travelodge at the Sleaford services - no rooms. Controlled at the PO in town and it was onward to Chatteris.

I was starting to feel so tired I was in danger of falling asleep on the bike, 'In for a penny, in for a pound' I was after the full audax experience so therefore started looking for a bus shelter. Found one a few k's north of Spalding, nothing spectacular however I had 20 minutes of interrupted kip by the church bells ringing every 15 minutes and a truck thundering past. However the edge had been taken off and I felt good to go. Stopped in Spalding as I felt ill, promptly threw up a mixture of water, bile and oatmeal biscuits. But at this point I felt really good, I had some sleep, my system was empty, it was time to move on. Got to Chatteris and controlled at another Nisa.

80k to go to the end, that's four commutes - ride it. Onwards to Dunmow, Cambridge for a cycle friendly city has by far the worst roads/cycle paths that I've ever cycled on. Got through Cambridge and navigated through the traffic queuing up at Duxford. From Saffron Walden it was hard work, 20k of rollers when you have done 580k's is not funny. Especially when it's now official that Essex's motorists are by far the most impatient I've ever seen.

Got to Dunmow just after 1400hrs. And was back to the hotel, had two baths, a shower and in bed by 1445hrs.

A few things to take away from the ride.

1. Do I need as much gear with me?
2. Need to lose two stone.
3. Need to do more miles.
4. Need to tinker with the seating on the recumbent. Currently the seat is very upright, which over time means me gradually sliding down which puts me to close to the pedals which in turn leads to bad form and knees hurting.

As mentioned thanks for the ride Tom, I really enjoyed it and congrats to those who got round.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: HK on 15 September, 2014, 10:39:26 pm
A great weekend out.  Well planned and executed ride by our director sportive Tomsk.  Certainly recommend this ride, don't be put off about it being x-rated.  Great controls with multiple choice sleep options.

Blog write up here;

http://judithswallow.wordpress.com/2014/09/15/three-wheeling-shelaght-goes-flatlanding/
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Martin on 15 September, 2014, 10:58:20 pm
excellent write-up (and photos) del  :thumbsup:

think I did a ride like that in 2006 (South then North; slept inna field of wheat) certainly good character building for PBP
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Oscar's dad on 15 September, 2014, 11:55:13 pm
Lots of observations above so I won't take up much of your time ...

Firstly, massive thank you to Tomsk for a well run event, as always, and to young Dan as well.

I wasn't over chuffed with the wind which was a nuisance every time you turned east.  Mind you, on the return leg it was a help some of the time and I know it can be much, much worse.

I still haven't slept in a bus shelter but I had a kip in a wood.  And done what bears do in woods.

Wetherspoons are brilliant and should be given an award by AUK.  I managed 3 on this ride.

I enjoyed meeting some new friends.  Pete, aka JaRyder on here was a true gent.

The Cambridge busway was excellent!

Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: 3peaker on 16 September, 2014, 01:08:46 am
What a hard ride. Well, no mid-course VH and loads of cafes to linger in. We were blessed with a ride that had more Summer than Winter; just needed to be prepared for a chilly night under the stars. I was blessed with the company of Mike Wigley, Judith Swallow and Dave Minter for some serious Fenland and night bashing. The RS was spot-on (better for me after I tweaked it to add distances) and Wilkyboys RwGPS track proved as reliable as any purple line could be and a genuine comfort at night. Funny, did not identify many yacf-ers; must be the stupid names we hide under. So that was alotronic up-front in Cambridge. What also made this ride special was gaining an SR from a season plagued by recovery from serious neck surgery in April and my rushed completion of 400 and 300km SR qualifiers. Big thanks to Tomski for making this event available so late-season.

Stayed in Campervan o/n; left before dawn to beat the traffic and was stuck for 4hrs on the M1 approaching Luton and 2hrs after leaving the M-way. 10hrs for 140miles. Could have cycled it in that time (with fresh legs?).
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: danridesbikes on 16 September, 2014, 01:25:02 am
LMT - i think my brother tagged onto the ride at Kirton, (was riding a Blue Planet-X Carbon job) he's ridden before with Martian Cioana, the guy on the Cannondale,
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Oscar's dad on 16 September, 2014, 10:07:43 am
A bit more from me following my post last night ...

This ride was my second 600 and on the first we had about 6 hours in a Premier Inn.  This time I wanted to try sleeping rough so had packed a lightweight sleeping bag, Thermarest, Alpkit Hunka bivvy bag, a plastic emergency bivvy and inflatable pillow.  Although this rig might be a bit OTT I had all the kit already (actually I borrowed the Alpkit bivvy off Christophe OTP), it packed down fairly small and didn't weigh much so I thought I would take it all and hope for a more comfortable sleep.  Here's what happened in reality ...

After leaving Goole gone midnight with Tomsk the Tank engine and his train I decided I wanted to get some kip whilst it was still dark, even though I wasn't particularly sleepy.  Rather than find a bus shelter I decided to try and find a secluded field and bivvy on the edge of it out of sight of passers by.  I spotted a lane off to the right and turned down it, the lane quickly led into the village of Haxey - not ideal, no fields.  I spotted a school but the gate was locked.  However, as I started back towards the main road I noticed a path leading off into some woods so I followed it.  The wood was very overgrown but after a couple of minutes I found a small clearing right by the path and after all the scrub had been kicked away there was enough room for my bike and bivvy. 

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By now it was about 0230 hours and although I was right by the path I figured I was unlikely to be disturbed and anyhow planned to be away by 0500.  I laid the emergency bivvy down first as a ground sheet then put the Thermarest and Hunka on top - it was pretty comfy!  I tossed and turned for a bit but the next thing I knew was my iPhone alarm going off; I must have slept for over an hour.

The site wasn't ideal but once back on the road heading for Gainsborough I spotted some nice looking fields between Walkeringham and Beckeringham.  I am thinking of doing the ride next year as part of my PBP qualification so providing there isn't a risk of rain I will be heading for the fields I spotted. 

I was pretty pleased with the kit I carried.  It wasn't heavy, packed down small and worked well ...

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Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Veloman on 16 September, 2014, 11:13:20 am
I can only reiterate what has been posted up-thread:

Great X-rated event with lots of opportunities for eating/drinking/sleeping.
Great route in terms of picking your way through a landscape that may not be pleasing to everyone.
Return via Cambridge for last leg was super and great fun to be 'in the mix'.
Route sheet excellent.
Wilkyboy's GPS excellent, as was having the controller at the first control.
The wind is always a topic of debate and was much worse this year than last.
The wind and flat terrain makes this event harder than it looks on paper.

In summary, a great event and many thanks to Tom for his hard work in providing a 600 event so late in the year.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Veloman on 16 September, 2014, 11:15:48 am
FOUND

I pair of cycling mitts left at the final control, Angel and Harp, on table 47 outside (table with HK and company).

PM me and I'll post them to you.

I have given them a gentle hand wash and rinse to rejuvenate them!
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Bugloss on 16 September, 2014, 11:16:09 am
I can only reiterate what has been posted up-thread:

Great X-rated event with lots of opportunities for eating/drinking/sleeping.
Great route in terms of picking your way through a landscape that may not be pleasing to everyone.
Return via Cambridge for last leg was super and great fun to be 'in the mix'.
Route sheet excellent.
Wilkyboy's GPS excellent, as was having the controller at the first control.
The wind is always a topic of debate and was much worse this year than last.
The wind and flat terrain makes this event harder than it looks on paper.

In summary, a great event and many thanks to Tom for his hard work in providing a 600 event so late in the year.

What!!!!

Aren't you going to tell about the bags of charcoal........
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: tippers_kiwi on 16 September, 2014, 11:16:56 am
Firstly thanks to Tomsk for this ride and the others that make up the Essex SR. My first year Audaxing has been a great experience and I have really enjoyed going through the increasing distances.

I thought my SR was going to be a fail when I found my spoke pulled through the rim at the garage in Gainsborough, I parted company with the Tomsk train at this stage and started walking up steep hills due to the noises coming from the rear wheel.

I stopped a few times to try some bodges which helped a little but then shortly after walking up Canwick hill things seemed to get worse. I stopped to check and the spoke Nipple was now completely away from the wheel. 2 Zip Ties later it was trapped to other spokes and things got a little better, I could ride hills again and the clanging noises had stopped.

Some quick adjustments with a spoke key at Whittlesey reset the gap between wobbling wheel and frame to about 5mm and that got me home safe.

I rode the lot without sleep in the end thinking the further South I was the more chance I could sort a replacement bike drop off so wanted some time buffer.

SR and Essex SR completed (although I am now panicking about having put all the receipts in the Brevet)

The drinks back at the Angel and Harp were fun, was good to see so many smiling faces coming in, the Audax community is a great place! For those that dropped your Brevet Cards with me at the pub in Dunmow I can confirm that Tomsk got them all!
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Bugloss on 16 September, 2014, 11:23:12 am
That's good to know and thanks for being the informal controller. I was the one on the silver De Rosa.

Cheers.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Mercury Jim on 16 September, 2014, 11:31:10 am
A really good weekend. Thanks to Tom and team for making it happen. Church hall next to a half decent pub on Fri pm and for the arrived is a good start
Route was as expected, considering its called the flatlands. Paper routesheet was excellent ( and still in one piece as it didn't rain)
Wetherspoons did a good job, especially Sleaford for a double breakfast. Cafes were both good too - especially the cherry pie at the green welly. That is a belter of a cafe. Lots of interesting people.......
We bounced Boston and cafed at Woodhall Spa, which breaks that long leg up. Recommended.
Overnighted at Travelodge Sleaford - not my usual style, but I was with a first timer at 600k from the club. I kept up my low rent / cheapskate image by sleeping on the floor, as there was no sofa bed or put me up in the single room. I did blag a quilt and 2pillows tho :-)
I rolled in 6pm ah, with a dodgy right knee - never had that before

Really enjoyed it. Thanks again Tom
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Oscar's dad on 16 September, 2014, 12:16:02 pm
Forgot to mention one nice incident.

I was rolling into Lincoln alone and a bloke on a push bike wearing a hoodie sails up alongside me.  The conversation went along the lines of:

Hoodie: You on some sort of tour?
Me: No I'm riding a 375ish mile endurance event.
H: Fuck me that's fantastic!  Do you have a support vehicle?
M: No, you have to be self reliant on these events, all my kit is on the back of my bike [point at rack].  Last night I had a quick sleep in a wood.
H: Amazing.  I really respect you long distance guys.  What's your name?
M: Steve
H: I'm Kevin.  You know, I don't really believe in this religious or spiritual shit, but every hour on the hour I'm going send you positive vibes, help keep you going.
M: Thanks very much Kevin, that'll be great!

At which point he sped up and disappeared.

 ;D

Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Veloman on 16 September, 2014, 12:18:58 pm
What!!!!

Aren't you going to tell about the bags of charcoal........

Can't give all the secrets away!

Washing the kit, I realised how dirty it was from the charcoal. Doh!

You did a really good ride and all that wind in Denmark is doing you good.  Thanks for the tow.

I was fortunate to meet our Irish friends in Cambridge who I rode with back to the final control.  You just missed HK and LWB at the Green Welly and they laughed at you mentioning crème brule! 

I liked your cycling top and hope the "Points Battle" is resolved in a satisfactory manner.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 16 September, 2014, 12:29:00 pm
Bugloss could have claimed his brulee at the finish, if he'd have stuck around a little longer.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Bugloss on 16 September, 2014, 12:32:20 pm
Bugloss could have claimed his brulee at the finish, if he'd have stuck around a little longer.

He's an impatient chap and had a flight to catch. Plus, the beer and company was so good at the finish I would have become welded to the chair if I'd stayed any longer.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Veloman on 16 September, 2014, 12:36:47 pm
Bugloss could have claimed his brulee at the finish, if he'd have stuck around a little longer.

Indeed he could have:

http://www.angelandharp.co.uk/downloads/sunday-menu.pdf (http://www.angelandharp.co.uk/downloads/sunday-menu.pdf)

Only £5.95, a bargain!
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Bugloss on 16 September, 2014, 12:48:10 pm
Bugloss could have claimed his brulee at the finish, if he'd have stuck around a little longer.

Indeed he could have:

http://www.angelandharp.co.uk/downloads/sunday-menu.pdf (http://www.angelandharp.co.uk/downloads/sunday-menu.pdf)

Only £5.95, a bargain!

NOOOOOOOO, shut up!!!!!
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 16 September, 2014, 12:51:39 pm
For some reason, I am unaccountably happy to still have this debt...
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Bugloss on 16 September, 2014, 12:56:51 pm
Now I've ridden 1600km for a bloody creme brûlée. How much longer is this torture going to last ?
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Jack_P on 16 September, 2014, 01:56:56 pm
 Great ride stories.
:facepalm: It was a mistake to read this, now I'm even more depressed at being stuck indoors with a burning chest cold at the weekend.
Oh well next year.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: wilkyboy on 16 September, 2014, 02:41:54 pm
A view from the other side: manning the control at Red Lodge

I had been down to ride the Flatlands this year, but family duties on Sunday got in the way.  Since Tomsk had successfully marketed the ride as a last-chance-before-PBP pre-qualifier, 140+ riders had entered, although it was expected that a good proportion would DNS (myself included).  Still, 100+ riders was realistic and for such a large field the first control (by last year's experience) would have been bedlam, because they aren't set up for giving out receipts, and as I was at a loose end I offered to run a proper control for Tom to help get riders through quicker.

I set off from my home in Cambridge at the same time as the main start in GD for the 40km ride to Red Lodge, knowing that I would be well ahead of the first riders, but giving me time to set up the control and get some breakfast myself.  It also gave me a chance to chat to the staff and give them an idea of what to expect: they were much better prepared this year, and my breakfast arrived in about 60 seconds.

This was my first time as a controller and I didn't really know what to expect, but running the numbers I could see that I would need to sign-and-stamp quickly at times, as riders tend to come through in groups.  Practice makes perfect, and this is a classic time-and-motion exercise: when I first practised at home I was turning them around in about 30 seconds each, but gradually got this down to the 10-12 secs mark, 5-a-minute, 100 through in 20 minutes.  Given that the point of running the control on what is supposed to be an X-rated event was to reduce the queues, it would have been ironical indeed if the queue merely moved from inside the café to outside!!

The control was due to open at 8.02, and although I knew that Tom was setting a quick group off early, I'd taken from what he'd said that this was so they could get through the breakfast queue early, not so that they could control early, so I ended up holding a couple of riders for a few minutes.  It didn't really matter, as most of them left their brevets with me and went off to grab some breakfast before the main body came through, since the café had opened 10 minutes early for us.

The control had been open about 15 minutes before the flood started and a couple of times I had a short queue, but many riders handed their brevets over and went off to get breakfast while others buddied-up and I validated three or four at a time.

It was great to see everyone energised about the ride: it has gained a reputation for being both flat and yet hard and I was able to share some insights from last year's ride.  It was particularly nice to get to see everyone on the ride — normally I end up in a quiet bubble between the quick and the slow riders.  It was particularly good to see Veloman (who got me through Flatlands last year), MemSec, Alotronic, HK and LWaB, Lars, Oscar's Dad, 3peaker, [edit:] Teethgrinder, and everyone else I met but don't have names for — at times I didn't have time to look up to see whose passage I was proving!  Edit: and it was good to chat to many of you too, in between signing and stamping!  ;D

Before the first hour was up, the numbers started to dwindle and the Alpe d'Huez organiser's group rolled in, having set off 30 minutes later than the main bunch in order to clear up the hall at the start.  Since they were the last to leave (although at least one very late starter to follow) then they made up the tail-enders, except for the few they'd passed along the way ... Sometime around 9.30 the Elliptigoes arrived — I had ridden with them briefly on LEL last year and it was good to see them out in force, particularly Idai and Alan.

After this I validated one more rider, who'd missed a turn and lost time, and then tumbleweed for the final 20 minutes.  As he left, Tomsk suggested I don't wait for the tail-enders, because they could validate with receipts now the café was quiet again, but I kept the control open until 10.04 anyway and I was still there with a coffee until 10.20 for any remaining of the 6.15 group to roll in, but nobody did.

To get home from Red Lodge I followed the Flatlands northbound route to Earith Bridge and then turned left and followed the southbound route through Swavesey Willingham, along the busway and finally to home in Girton (a couple of hundred yards before Tomsk's final resting place).  I only rode 90km on the day, but I got a sense of the fog in the morning and the rising crosswinds across the fens later in spite of the forecast.  After being off the bike for summer holidays it felt good to put some distance in my legs again, however short it was.

Looking back I think having a proper control at Red Lodge worked well.  There were only a couple of times I noticed the queue almost to the door of the café (last year it was out into the yard most of the time), and only when groups of riders came through and tried to validate at the same time did I have a small queue at the control.  Speaking to the riders during and the staff afterwards everyone seemed happy with how it had gone.

In the few days leading up to the event I knocked up a simple phone app so that I could easily track the times when riders came through — I figured the data would take almost no effort to collect and the results may be interesting (or not).  The spread data indicated that after the quickest riders, the busiest period was around 20-30 minutes after control opening and tailed off very steadily afterwards.  Also, from the cumulative data I thought it was interesting that 90% of riders of all start times passed through within the first hour of the official control time.  Which meant that the quick riders had nearly two hours in hand already, and almost all other riders had at least one hour in hand after just 61km.  Given that those with a later start time also had a later finish time then for many riders it was significantly better than one hour.

This was my first experience from the other side and I really enjoyed it :thumbsup:

It's great reading all the write-ups from the event — it's rapidly turning into a classic ride with plenty of war stories to go around — well done Tomsk for creating and organising this original ride, and congrats to everyone for finishing :thumbsup:

I now have a Flatliner perm brevet to ride before the end of September for my RRTY and Essex SR — it's going to be a long and lonely ride, but in many ways that will be an even bigger challenge than last year, methinks, and I am quite looking forward to it.  At least, as some have mentioned in their reports, the GPS course has been well tested and I shouldn't get lost in the night  ;)
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Bikeabilityman on 16 September, 2014, 04:51:25 pm
I was blessed with the company of Mike Wigley, Judith Swallow and Dave Minter for some serious Fenland and night bashing.
I too rode with them for a while after Red Lodge, until I noticed on the routesheet there was a Wetherspoons at the next control, and I fancied a veggie breakfast before they stopped serving at 12 (only had a coffee at Red Lodge). Was this the reason TG bumped Red Lodge, because he fancied a Wetherspoons brekky?

Shame I didn't see you, 3peaker. I still haven't done your 200 perm from last year (or a couple of 600s, if there is no time limit). It was good to see familiar faces (although I forget names), and ride with some new ones.

I see why the Essex SR series is popular. Well done Tomsk!
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: cyclinggeezer on 16 September, 2014, 05:10:11 pm
I did the Flatliner perm a few weeks ago from starting Sleaford, heading south first so I can say I have been to Yorkshire via Essex. Had the advantage of fog lowering temperatures until I hit Cambridge when I had the disadvantage of trying to avoid tourists and the temperature being red hot. After Red Lodge long cool run north thro' Whittlesey to Boston McDs at audax o'clock where I was the object of attention from the locals who were strangely fascinated by flashing red lights on the bike and my pink cycling cap. One even asked for me to be in his selfie.

Slightly damp on the fens and as I was a bit sleepy crashed on a bench in some village past Boston in the rain for a bit.(as you do)  There after the wind was kind until I got to the Isle of Axholme and Goole. Journey back south towards Gainsborough, Lincoln and Sleaford was very familiar territory. Thought the Spar at Kirton was great for coffee and sandwich breakfast

Best of luck to Wilkyboy.  I thoroughly enjoyed the solitude for nearly two days and the adventure. Lots more places en route to stop off than you would think in Lincs - enjoy
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: i cycle on 16 September, 2014, 08:21:55 pm
Before I start I would like to apologise for not being able to name anyone as I am not sure who was who, but you are welcome to put me right on names.

I was looking forward to this as I missed it last year due to a crash the week before, the omens could be conspiring against me again for this ride as I reached the half way point on my drive to the start I realised I forgot to bring my lights with me that I left on charge the night before. As I had a head torch I decided to carry on as I knew I would be riding with my constant partner Jonathan Greenway who is always in his Norwich CC top.

We set off at a steady pace up to Red Lodge eventually joining up with the lady on the trike and a couple off other riders, at Red Lodge we decided to jump the control as wilkyboy was kind enough to be an controller there.

On the way to Whittlesey we picked up the couple on the tandem with the Irish contingent behind them, us and the tandem were rotating for a good bit at a steady pace then all of sudden the Irish team went on the front and decided to up the pace for some reason, this pace would take its toll on me later on.

After a the stop in Whittlesey we carried on with the tandem and 1 of the Irish team up to Boston, I think a couple more ended up with us near Boston. We stopped at the Weatherspoon's for lunch and a rest.

We left with the tandem for leg up to Kirton-in-Lindsey as the Irish guy decided to stop for a bit longer, just before Kirton-in-Lindsey we lost the tandem as they stopped only when the arrived at Kirton-in-Lindsey the lady said her husband felt ill and that way they stopped.

We left Kirton-in-Lindsey with a couple of riders as they wanted to tag along as they did not have gamins for night navigation, on the way there we past a few riders heading back. Upon arriving at 10 we decided to go to MacDonald's for a couple of hours rest.

I was feeling ok when we left Goole but I knew from my previous rides my limit is 300k before I need to try and get some sleep, but with Jonathan being a experienced flatland rider 100 points this year with most of them done on the broads I decided to push on but my speed was declining slowly with each mile.

Upon arriving at Gainsborough we encountered someone resting on the charcoal bags which reminded me of my first audax hotel stop at Newmarket on the A&S curled up amongst the charcoal bags on a garage forecourt. Then the police turned up and questioned some polish bloke about his car. The tandem reappeared as we were leaving.

We missed a turning shortly after leaving which enabled us to catch up with the tandem again, by now fatigue was starting to catch up with me now slowing me down. We lost the tandem again on the 1st hill into Lincoln.

We arrived at Sleaford around 6 and found a couple guys crashed out in the bank cash machine foyer, after getting something to eat at a shop I realised I needed sleep so we both managed to squeeze in the hotel with luxury carpets, I dread to think what the staff will make off CCTV yesterday morning.

Feeling refreshed we set off to Chatteris with the sun coming up at a steady pace, we stopped about halfway for a little picnic at the side of the road, just after this the wind started to picked up, the last 3 mile turn into Chatteris to the Green Welly Café was brutal open and exposed which was hard work with by now my ankle was starting to hurt.

We left o the last leg with a brief stop just after Cambridge to stop for water, then near Duxford we managed to see the old B52 flying fortress flying, but also we managed to catch up few riders for the final push home, the hills were a welcome sight for me as they seemed to make me come awake.

We rolled in at 4:30 at the pub around the same time as a few others, the fellow on the single speed informed us he had to do the Saffron Waldron hill twice as he decided leave his phone at the bottom.

I enjoyed this ride hard with the wind but then I was my bike with the rack on, in hind sight I could have probably got away doing this on my carbon bike but at the moment I am still getting used on what to take with me.

And finally thanks to Tomask for organising the ride, Jonathan for getting me around and everyone we had a few laughs with.

PS: does anyone know if the tandem made it safely?
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: tippers_kiwi on 16 September, 2014, 11:09:54 pm
What happens when a 24 spoke, lightweight, racing wheel meets an 18stone Kiwi on rough roads?
(click to show/hide)

I would like to point out I did actually have 28 spokes in the rear wheel and the 27 got me home as mentioned (just)

This is a pic of the Bodge I put together with the Cassette removed
(http://www.thebrunners.com/audax/images/flatlands_14/fl_bodge.jpg)

This was the damage once I removed the hub and spokes
(http://www.thebrunners.com/audax/images/flatlands_14/fl_hole.jpg)


Taking a closer look the next morning I think it is safe to say I was lucky to complete the ride. I found 3 more spoke holes with visible cracks as per below!
(http://www.thebrunners.com/audax/images/flatlands_14/fl_crack_1.jpg)
(http://www.thebrunners.com/audax/images/flatlands_14/fl_crack_2.jpg)
(http://www.thebrunners.com/audax/images/flatlands_14/fl_crack_3.jpg)
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Veloman on 16 September, 2014, 11:36:04 pm
PS: does anyone know if the tandem made it safely?

I saw them in the harp and Angel and well within time.

Also rode with them for a while just outside Spalding and they were doing OK.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: i cycle on 17 September, 2014, 07:39:48 am
PS: does anyone know if the tandem made it safely?

I saw them in the harp and Angel and well within time.

Also rode with them for a while just outside Spalding and they were doing OK.

Glad they made it back safely.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: rodgers73 on 17 September, 2014, 09:03:52 pm
This was only my 2nd audax but I'm no stranger to long distance rides so I was looking forward to the challenge.

I'd planned to put in a good long 1st stint and get my head down for 4 or 5 hours in a proper bed. Booked a B&B just south of Gainsborough and got there for around 1.30am. Left again at 7.00am feeling very normal and other than cocking up the navigating around Lincoln all went smoothly from there to the finish twelve hours later. Was really surprised by how much energy I had left in the final stint and pretty much rode it non-stop from Chatteris. The Essex hills were welcome as they got me out of the saddle for the first time in the ride!

Not many notable moments from the journey but the Irish lads were good blokes. Had breakfast with them in Sleaford and rode a dozen or so miles with them afterwards. Also thanks to the two older guys who I followed out of Kirton up to Goole - being encouraged to shovel down my chips to fend off the sicky/rough feeling that was weighing me down was excellent advice. I'd always attributed that to dehydration not hunger. You live and learn...

Wasn't feeling too sociable at the finish so I drove up to GD town centre and had a pizza and a read of the paper in Bosphorus kebab house. A few hours sleep in the car then a lovely 4 hour drive home up the A1.

I'll be back on the audax scene for my SR series in time for PBP. Hopefully see a few familiar faces then!

Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Von Broad on 17 September, 2014, 09:41:03 pm
Forgot to mention one nice incident.

I was rolling into Lincoln alone and a bloke on a push bike wearing a hoodie sails up alongside me.  The conversation went along the lines of:

Hoodie: You on some sort of tour?
Me: No I'm riding a 375ish mile endurance event.
H: Fuck me that's fantastic!  Do you have a support vehicle?
M: No, you have to be self reliant on these events, all my kit is on the back of my bike [point at rack].  Last night I had a quick sleep in a wood.
H: Amazing.  I really respect you long distance guys.  What's your name?
M: Steve
H: I'm Kevin.  You know, I don't really believe in this religious or spiritual shit, but every hour on the hour I'm going send you positive vibes, help keep you going.
M: Thanks very much Kevin, that'll be great!

At which point he sped up and disappeared.

 ;D

That is just wonderful!

Congrats to all.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: bikey-mikey on 18 September, 2014, 08:13:23 am
Well done folks and it's great to read all the stories  8)
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Needham-matt on 18 September, 2014, 11:54:35 am
I slipped a disc (L5 if your interested) in April last year and for about 6 months couldn't imaging riding a bike again, let alone riding 600km,
It wasn't until April this year that I felt able to get back on the road bike, I was just doing gentle rides on a hybrid up to this point.

When I was put in the MRI machine you get offered a CD to listen to, so as to take your mind off the hum of the MRI machine. I declined and instead imagined I was cycling an audax event.

My point is this, The Flatlands ride bookends for me a recovery process,  I really didn't think I would ever manage this type of riding again, also this maybe gives a little bit of hope to anyone else that finds themselves with a debilitating pain like a slipped disc...

that's all .

Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Bugloss on 18 September, 2014, 12:48:27 pm
You've done we'll to recover from a discal prolapse and ride a 600, especially one that involves so much time slogging away in the saddle.
Did you have a lot of pain whilst riding ?
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Needham-matt on 18 September, 2014, 01:03:01 pm
You've done we'll to recover from a discal prolapse and ride a 600, especially one that involves so much time slogging away in the saddle.
Did you have a lot of pain whilst riding ?

No more than a achy lower back for an hour or so, I was certainly not in screaming agony at any point.
Earlier in the year I was i was getting a mild pain during longer rides but that seems to have gone away, fingers crossed it stays away.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Genosse Brymbo on 18 September, 2014, 08:31:22 pm
Thanks very much to Tom and helpers for a great event.  It was a good idea to have a controller at Red Lodge so that things ran smoothly. The route is a good one, with well-positioned controls, a large range of shops/pubs/cafes so that nutrition and hydration were never a problem, and a choice of commercial and non-commercial sleeping opportunities.  As others have said up-thread, don't be discouraged by the X-rating.

Fortunately for me the ride was flat and uneventful.  It was a re-sit of the 600 I needed for this year's SR, having spent too much time asleep on Blacksheep's Dragons and Legends in June.  Validation failures are a problem when your annual calendar is just an SR - 1*200, 1*300, 1*400, 1*600, 1*egg, 1*basket.  Strangely, Tomsk has had a part in the 600 ride for all my SR seasons.  He was one of the experienced riders on Teethgrinder's 600 for new riders in 2012.  Last year he dragged me up Pen-y-Pass on the BCM600 after buying me a drink in a pub in Beddgelert (he had a beer :o).  This year he's laid on this beauty.

The terrain presents little opportunity to get out of the saddle, and the first time I had to use my inner 34 chainring was on the climb out of Lincoln.  This means that you're putting quite a lot of your weight through the saddle for a long time, especially when the headwind sections like Spalding to Boston push you back into the saddle.  I find the antidote to this is to mash a bigger gear than normal (Frankly Frankie has talked of this several times on here).  It works, but the downside is that your feet take more punishment (maybe the cause of Oranj's hotfoot described up-thread).
 
Isn't Lincolnshire a strange place - mile after mile of vegetable fields, the smell of brassicas, huge lorries passing you displaying company names like "Vegelinc", pumpkin pickers working in the fields just North of Spalding early on Sunday morning, and then the all-night party which was Lincoln town centre at 3:30 on Sunday.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Redlight on 18 September, 2014, 09:18:03 pm
Just remembered one little vignette from the ride…

Passing through a small village south of Gainsborough at about 3am I spotted a group of 5 or 6 "youths" hanging around at the side of the road.  Worryingly, as I approached they wandered into the road and fanned out in front of me.  I took a chance that I was more likely to get verbal aggro than anything physical and rode towards them at a steady rather than fast speed, but fast enough to outrun them (I hoped) if necessary.

As I got close, one shouted: "'scuse me but we were wondering why there were so many cyclists out so early in the morning", to which I rather weakly replied as I passed "It's not early for me, I've been cycling since 6am yesterday", by which time I had passed through the group and was "safe".

It was only as I carried on down the slight hill that I heard the lad plaintively call out: "That's amazing but you still haven't answered my question."

For the next few miles I found myself regretting that I'd not turned around and gone back to explain.  Maybe somebody a little while behind me was able to oblige.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: BikinOn on 19 September, 2014, 04:04:33 pm
As promised, here are some of my pics:
(http://www.kaioken.co.uk/imagesau/FIMG_20140913_095017.jpg)
(http://www.kaioken.co.uk/imagesau/CIMG_20140913_132323.jpg)
(http://www.kaioken.co.uk/imagesau/DIMG_20140913_132330.jpg)
(http://www.kaioken.co.uk/imagesau/CCIMG_20140913_211503.jpg)
(http://www.kaioken.co.uk/imagesau/BIMG_20140914_190325.jpg)
You'll note how we all tended to become less photogenic toward the end of the ride  ;D
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: delthebike on 23 September, 2014, 07:05:56 am
This has appeared in my twitter feed!  It's the Dunmow Broadcast report as mentioned by Tomsk. ;D

https://twitter.com/andys2tyred/status/512672838440861696/photo/1
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: wilkyboy on 27 September, 2014, 06:15:06 am
Wish me luck — "I am just going outside and may be some time." 

Weather's looking fine as it ever can for the fens, barring a northerly on Sunday (can't have everything).
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 27 September, 2014, 06:29:10 am
Have fun out there.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: tonyh on 27 September, 2014, 06:31:00 am
Certainly wishing you luck!
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Christophe on 27 September, 2014, 06:57:07 am
In the words of the Great Escape 'Good Luck!'
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Bikeabilityman on 27 September, 2014, 08:00:19 am
Tour de Wetherspoons. Enjoy the ride!
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on 27 September, 2014, 01:54:51 pm
From down under -- have a good ride Nick
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Bikeabilityman on 27 September, 2014, 04:04:14 pm
Whilst waiting to hear back from Tom's, has anyone seen the ride appear on their results?
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Folly on 27 September, 2014, 04:07:55 pm
Whilst waiting to hear back from Tom's, has anyone seen the ride appear on their results?

Given the deadline for brevets to be returned was today, I wasn't expecting to see anything for a few days yet.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Bikeabilityman on 27 September, 2014, 06:03:42 pm
Whilst waiting to hear back from Tom's, has anyone seen the ride appear on their results?

Given the deadline for brevets to be returned was today, I wasn't expecting to see anything for a few days yet.
Oh; I didn't know that. Mine went straight in the box by his door. It's my only audax this month, so I need it for rrty and randonneur 5000.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: bikey-mikey on 28 September, 2014, 12:17:21 am
Patience gets its own reward  :P

I'm sure Tomsk's got everything shipshape and is waiting for a straggler or lost post!!
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: teethgrinder on 28 September, 2014, 06:27:43 pm

Given the deadline for brevets to be returned was today,

Ooops! :facepalm:

Twas a very nice ride though. :smug:
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: bloomers100 on 28 September, 2014, 08:02:27 pm
Chill, I believe he's been away a wheel oop north.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: teethgrinder on 28 September, 2014, 08:44:33 pm
I haven't even sent the card off, plus I lost a reciept. Not that I'm worried about it anyway.
I only did it because I wanted to do the ride and I'm glad that I did.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Bikeabilityman on 29 September, 2014, 08:15:09 pm
I haven't even sent the card off, plus I lost a reciept. Not that I'm worried about it anyway.
I only did it because I wanted to do the ride and I'm glad that I did.
I thought you only did it because of all the Wetherspoons on the route!
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Tomsk on 29 September, 2014, 09:04:16 pm
Finish list upload this evening, never fear!

89 completed cards in the end - 90 finishers if I count Teethgrinder and there may be others.....
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: teethgrinder on 29 September, 2014, 09:18:46 pm
I haven't even sent the card off, plus I lost a reciept. Not that I'm worried about it anyway.
I only did it because I wanted to do the ride and I'm glad that I did.
I thought you only did it because of all the Wetherspoons on the route!

It may have helped. :)
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: bikey-mikey on 29 September, 2014, 09:36:34 pm
Results are up

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: wilkyboy on 29 September, 2014, 10:20:34 pm
89 completed cards in the end - 90 finishers if I count Teethgrinder and there may be others.....

Plus one more Flatliner  :thumbsup:  (brevet's in the post)
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Tomsk on 30 September, 2014, 12:34:20 pm
Plus one more Flatliner  :thumbsup:  (brevet's in the post)

Well done that man  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: alotronic on 30 September, 2014, 03:40:56 pm
89 completed cards in the end - 90 finishers if I count Teethgrinder and there may be others.....

Plus one more Flatliner  :thumbsup:  (brevet's in the post)

Well done Nick!
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: wilkyboy on 30 September, 2014, 08:17:32 pm
Having been relieved of my weekend pass to ride the Flatlands a fortnight earlier by my family, it was with some trepidation that I set out from home in the early dawn to ride my first solo 600 on a route renowned for its headwinds.  And being a flat 600 — in places very, very flat — then I knew it would be a tough mental challenge too!

TL;DR
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I rode the Flatlands last year and we had a terrific tailwind all the way to Goole. I rode with a reasonably quick bunch, but we stopped at the controls and ate well, riding quickly in-between.  After the turn, though, it became a real slog all the way back to Dunmow, with me giving up at one point, only to sort my head out and get back into the game.  This time I wanted to avoid the massive bonks I had on the Sunday from last year and try to just coast through in a reasonably safe time.  So I gave myself a couple of goals:

* Ride each leg at around 20kph average, using lower gears to reduce the effort -- that gives nearly 31 hours' riding with plenty of time for climbing off the bike
* Enjoy the breaks off the bike — don't waste time, but don't fret either
* Get some sleep!  Sleep-dep on a multi-day ride is my nemesis!
* Finish inside the 40 hours a BRM would allow (the perm is 42 hours)

Given that I live in Cambridge, with Tomsk's permission I started from and finished here.  That meant the final 50km of the Flatlands was the first 50km of my Flatliner.  I intended to leave the house at 4am so that I could hit roughly the same schedule as the Flatlands starting at 6 from Dunmow; however a week of very late nights meant I was already shattered, so I gave myself extra time in bed and left around 6.30am.

The run to Dunmow was okay: the traffic was slower than when I last rode it.  I did get buzzed by the inevitable Audi-twits on the run to Saffron Walden, but nothing compared to what I would face later.

I left Dunmow around 9.15, so I was already over 3 hours behind a Flatlands run: as I extrapolated speeds and distances into arrival times, Kirton was going to be a close call for anything being open when I got there!  Never mind, I would work something out.

The weather on Saturday was lovely: cool but sunny and warming in the afternoon with hardly any breeze.  My biggest fear — a strong headwind on Sunday — seemed distant.

At Red Lodge I was recognised by the woman who served you all a fortnight ago and we had a chat: they were very pleased with how it went and were very interested in how all the riders had got on.  And they are looking forward to seeing everyone again next year   :thumbsup: :)

The ride from Cambridge to Dunmow and up to Red Lodge contained most of the lumpiness for the weekend and was now out of the way, so I settled into a steady pace on the flat across to Ramsey, stopping at Pidley to take pictures of the mountain rescue team's signage — you have to have a sense of humour out here, as there isn't a lot else (that I can tell).  Unless you're a farmer.

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From Ramsey, it's out onto that long, straight flat road to Whittlesey: I have ridden this a few times recently and I am getting better at switching off and letting my legs spin under me, otherwise I'd go insane with boredom!

By now my first iPod had gone dead — that's my ancient one with the podcasts on — so now for a bit of Squeeze on the other one.  Or the Beatles.  Or whatever: your mind just wanders when you're out here all alone in the Fens (maybe it's just me).

Last year Veloman and I bounced Red Lodge and got to Whittlesey around lunchtime and headed for the Wetherspoons on the square.  This time it was after 3pm, so I got a quick sandwich from the Nisa and headed back out onto the Fens for a picnic.

By now it was looking like I would possibly get halfway to Kirton before nightfall, which was well behind my original aim of leaving super-early.  However, since it's a perm then the time I get anywhere is only important relative to the time I started out, which isn't important at all.  My only worry was refilling the bottles somewhere, as I was draining them quicker than I usually do for some reason.

The run from Thorney to Spalding is my least favourite part of the northbound leg: the flat, exposed countryside with little in the way of variation or landmarks and usually with a headwind makes it an unpleasant slog.  However, with the sun out and the air still, it was a nice run this time  8) 

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Spalding to Boston was less pleasant: that leg seems to go on and on until you get to Kirton and then drop into Boston itself.  The 'Spoons was rammed at this time, so I grabbed an ATM receipt and a bag of chips from the chippy around the corner.  I then rode to Anton's Gowt — expecting to find a limping dancer, ah-ha!  :facepalm: — and sat by the river eating my dinner in the peace and quiet.  And it was truly, gloriously quiet at this point!  :thumbsup:

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Back on the bike and the start of the next leg involves more very long and very straight roads.  In the dark I could see car headlights what seemed like miles in front and miles behind, and they would take minutes to arrive!  At least in the dark you don't expect to see interesting scenery, so I focused on my 20s.

Watching the clock, I could see that I would not make it to Kirton-in-Lindsey by closing time, so I stopped at the Crown in Glentham.  Out of politeness I ordered a coke before asking for a bottle-refill and was given a round of scowls by the locals.  So I quickly asked the landlady to top it up with a JD — in honour of our esteemed TG — which broke out some smiles  :D  The questions inevitably started and the whole pub seemed both interested and aghast, in the usual way.  When I mentioned sleeping in a bus stop, one of the patrons offered me one of his spare rooms to sleep in on the way back!  :thumbsup:  Unfortunately "the way back" didn't go that way, never mind.

I had forgotten from last year that this part of the route has more hills than the route description gives it credit for: certainly nothing compared to Essex (which is not a lot compared to Wessex, but there's always someone with something bigger!).  And so I winched my way up and over the top to Kirton-in-Lindsey.

In the square everything was closed and the receipt frlom the Tesco cashpoint didn't have the place name on it at all.  At the One Stop, the cashpoint was out of order!  Aaargh!  So I asked a couple who were out walking their dog whether there was another cashpoint in Kirton — it turned out he was the owner of the One Stop, Mr Holt himself, and was very interested in what the ride was about and how everyone had got on the fortnight earlier.  He said they had served 70 cups of coffee to cyclists that day; I asked if that had been a problem and he said not at all, he was delighted!  :thumbsup:  He pointed out that the cashpoint wouldn't give cash but would give receipts, so I tried it, but the address was given as Gainsborough, aaargh!  I eventually found the HSBC cashpoint — it's not obvious — and got a suitable PoP, plus a selfie just in case.

The drop from Kirton to the plain below is fairly rapid and the temperature fell considerably.  I had put on some of my night gear at the top, but not all, and I was regretting it a little.  But got to keep hitting those 20s: my legs were starting to feel fatigued rather than out-and-out drained, and even maintaining 20s was proving hard: I didn't want to over-extend myself at any time, in order to keep some in reserve for the return leg (which would fortunately be 50km shorter, as I started in Cambridge).

The leg from Kirton to Goole is quite short compared to the previous leg and in the dark it disappeared quickly.  Last year I remember dropping off the back of the fast group in the final 15km and riding in alone at a more steady pace, having reached my limit, but this year I was tired, but not hitting any walls.  I was, however, around 3 hours slower getting to this point than last year: partly due to riding on my own and the lack of tailwind.  Plus I stopped one extra time this year compared to last, due to starting at a different place.  However, my hope was that the return leg this year would be much quicker, because I completely blew up last year and rode my slowest ever 100km!

As I rolled into McDonald's I was faced with a bevy of Police-people, and I was expecting at least some passing interest, but nothing at all.  A couple of quarter pounders with fries and a coffee and I had a lazy snooze in the chair.  It was about 3.30am and I was the only customer.

Back on the bike and a quick spin up and over the M62.  As I was descending back towards Goole, I noticed that my Garmin wasn't updating distance, even though I had reset the lap.  A quick off-and-on and this time it locked up on "loading maps" — aargh!  Okay, do the basic reset — still locked up.  Do the more complicated reset (difficult on a moving bike as it needs two fingers for 10 seconds) — still locked up.  Bugger!  Consider my options:

* I have the paper routesheet on my handlebar anyway, that should be sufficient
* Except that it's still dark and I don't know how much juice I have left in my head torch
* If I have to wait for daylight then I will still have the same problem later in the evening ... but wait, I have a spare front light (just in case)!
* And what if I lose the routesheet, do I know the route off by heart?
* No, but I also have a map — harder to ride to, but still possible.

Don't panic!

And then I remembered that when I had been without my Garmin — I had had to send it off when it broke a month ago, and got a reconditioned unit back in return — then I had paired my Garmin running watch with my bike sensors.  I rode slowly for a bit while manically hitting buttons on watch until I had a basic bike display set up on it.  Apart from having to turn the light on to read it it worked very well as a backup speedo, and at least I was able to tell how far I'd gone so I knew how far to the next turn on my routesheet!

I remember last year, the run from Goole to Sleaford was absolute hell, because I was so sleepy-tired and my legs had given up!  Veloman was exceedingly patient with me and didn't fuss when I climbed off the bike several times.  This time, on my own, I had the challenge of motivating myself, and keeping my own mind off the pain, discomfort and thoughts of the distance left to cover.  I was at least as sleepy-tired as last year, but my legs felt okay ...

... until I yawned and then they STOPPED!!  I have experienced this with sleep-dep on most of the multi-day rides I've ridden, in that when my body tells me to yawn, it disconnects my legs and I roll to a stop before cranking slowly back up to speed.  Rinse and repeat to arrivée, taking substantially longer than expected.  I was a bit disappointed, because I'd had half an hour's snooze time in McDonald's, so I thought I'd be good for a few hours on the bike, but I had to take the 3* hotel in Belton for another 20 minutes to get me to Gainsborough.

On the way out of Gainsborough I missed the left turn next to Lidl the same as I did last year!  Although this year, at least I had an excuse in that my GPS was dead.  And the climb out of Gainsborough was a welcome relief as my saddle was undertaking a war of attrition on my netherly bits.

The sun was rising, so I spent the run to Lincoln looking for a comfortable field to catch another 20 winks.  In the end I opted for the aforementioned oak-beamed bus shelter overlooking the plains.  However, by this time (I think it must've been 10am) the cars were whizzing past and it was impossible to get any rest at all.  In fact the ferocity of the vehicular noise was quite unnerving and put me off the next section.

Except that the next section is the city of Lincoln: I do enjoy a gratuitous diversion for a bit of cobbled sightseeing  :thumbsup:  A lovely run down through the city streets and back out into the one-way system.  The dual-carriageway was very busy at this time, but I held my lane and everyone was very obliging.

The climb up Canwick Hill was taken in absolute bottom gear: I had nothing to prove and plenty to lose by racing up it, so I took my time.  At the top, once through the Premier Inn junction, this road just goes on, and on, and on.  This would be the most unpleasant leg of the whole ride, because the traffic was constant and persistently too close!  I got honked several times too — and I don't think they were showing their appreciation.

My resolve wore out before Scopwick and I dived into a field for another 20 minutes' sleep: at last I got to use the rollmat I'd carried on several rides now!  Very comfy, I felt great afterwards and my legs started up again, woohoo!

In Sleaford I headed for the Packhorse, but by now it was well past noon and the place was packed: it took an hour to get lunch and get out!  Never again will I enter a Wetherspoon's ... when it's busy  :facepalm:

After Sleaford, the return to quiet country roads was a welcome respite from the traffic an hour earlier.  The food was weighing heavy, though, and I stopped for another brief shut-eye out on Sempringham Fen.  The sun was bright and the air wonderfully warm and in my drowsiness I set my alarm for half an hour before I was going to sleep instead of half an hour after!!  Aargh!  I woke up more than an hour later, disorientated and unable to work out why it was so late.  It took half an hour on the bike before I figured it out  :facepalm:

I resumed this, the longest leg of the ride: the flatland-hell from Sleaford to Chatteris!  That's what I remember it being last year, both on Flatlands and LEL, with terrifically strong, strength-sapping headwinds all the way.  As I set off I could feel a breeze in my face and it looked like the wind might be strengthening.  However, when I got to Crowland Airfield, the wind sock was barely off the mast:

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And this is an actual video of the wind turbines not spinning after Whittlesey (if you look closely, you can't see them turning):

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There was a tiny bit of a headbreeze, but nothing like last year, and I rolled easily through, maintaining my 20s average.  By now my legs were screaming, although that could have been sympathetic pain from my rearly bits — I think I need to try a Brooks Imperial  :-[

This is a desolate part of the country with soulless villages, derelict farms and featureless landscapes.  At least that's what it seems to me, but I grew up spoilt by the richly varied and visually interesting lands of North Wales.  I have tried to describe how empty the fens feel to the Junior Wilkyboys, but words fail to express it well enough.

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From Chatteris it's barely 30km to the finish for me, so I bounced the Green Welly and had a quick garage stop instead.  And then to the final leg: since I had nothing to lose, I raised my tempo, but was only able to turn 25s on the run in.  That's still plenty quick enough for me to get back within time and after nearly 600km is an okay tempo I think.  I know these roads well, so even though it was now dark again, I had no need for the routesheet.  Ironically I cycled right past the end of our road, but had to continue to the garage for my final PoP of the weekend. 

600+km (not sure exactly, since I don't have a GPS track from my Garmin) in 38hrs 45mins.  That's a pretty poor time, considering how little climbing was involved and how dedicated I was to maintaining a steady but gentle pace.  But I think this is one of the hardest ways to ride any 600: solo, without any hills to get one outta the saddle and to provide respite down the other side, so every kilometre has to be pedalled (and my knees are reminding me that's what they've done!).  I've ridden two Bryan Chapman's quicker than this — one on little wheels, even — as well as To Holl and Back over the Pennines.  It was, however, quicker than my attempt last year, even adjusting for last year's over-distance.  It probably didn't help that I barely rode the bike over the summer  :facepalm:

Unfortunately, due to the demise of my Garmin, I don't know whether I managed 20kph while I was on the bike.  I think on the whole I did, but I can't be sure.  I managed to resurrect the Garmin by doing a factory reset, but if I had done that on the road then I would've lost the route and all the track I'd recorded to that point ... and anyway I couldn't remember the screen-press sequence.

Some interesting things I learnt ... The first is that riding steadily is fine: turning 20s felt easy and the first two legs I averaged 20kph including the stop.  In theory if I had kept doing that pace then I could've done a 30-hour ride without any sleep, which would have been an amazing time for me.

The second is that sleep-dep is a real problem for me: I need sleep or the second day is virtually a write-off.

The third is that this ride is much more fun with other people to talk to: talking to yourself for nearly 40 hours is tedious (at least it is for me).  Also, take notes, because you'll forget most of what you discussed [with yourself] by the time you get home  :facepalm:

The fourth is that I need to sort out my saddle: a certain man-worrying discomfort has made Mrs Wilkyboy insist that I do something about it, yikes!!  :o

And the final biggie is if the weather is fine then take a rollmat and sleep just about anywhere!  No need for bus shelters, just pick somewhere that isn't a cold-spot and snuggle down.  I didn't bother with a bag, just lay down where I was, and was more than warm enough.

That completes my Essex SR, just a day before the end of the season, as well as being my September RRTY ride.  I do expect that I will ride this again, but I will need to do some significant mental preparation beforehand to try to erase the numbness from my mind.

Thank you again Tom for creating such a benign-monster classic ride!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

PS. Thank you for your encouragement here, too, you know who you are, much appreciated  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: LMT on 30 September, 2014, 09:21:48 pm
Well done and brilliant write up.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: 3peaker on 01 October, 2014, 12:04:54 am
Good stuff Wilkyboy. I rode a 600 Perm in 2009 on Trike and was able to use 3 of my 200 Perms with a stop at home after each leg. The loneliness and isolation is the real challenge. Company and the concentration of following wheels and conversation are mind settlers and distractions from the bland quiet roads. A clear head is essential for concentration, so the power naps are essential elements to maintain sanity, unless you can have a caffeine fix. As an X-rated Cal, the Perm probably works well as the controls are all well-established commercial spots, with plentiful ATMs and cafes (& JDWs)

Great read and good to meet at the Red Lodge on the Cal.
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Aunt Maud on 01 October, 2014, 07:16:52 am
'Tis a fearsome ride and well done for going it alone.

Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: bhoot on 01 October, 2014, 08:08:09 am
We did the Flatliner perm too, at least on the tandem we had each other to talk to! (Although I'm not sure whether the man at the front considered that to be an advantage by the end of the ride)
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Tomsk on 10 November, 2014, 06:33:20 pm
The cards are back! - Give me a few days to shuffle medals, cards, badges and ride reports into assorted envelopes and they'll be winging their way.....
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: LMT on 10 November, 2014, 07:03:34 pm
Coolio

Was clearing my desk last week as we (have now) moved offices and came across a blank card that I took into work to show my colleagues. Happy memories.

''What, 620k?''
''Yeah''
''What....but that's....that's.....that's about 385 miles.''
''Yep, and it's all good.'' ;D
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: aquilo on 13 November, 2014, 07:04:05 pm
Hi
Just received a badge and my card back with foreign stamps on it! wasnt  expecting that, small things but really appreciated.

Great event many thanks Tomsk.


Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Tomsk on 13 November, 2014, 08:01:24 pm
^ AUK is keeping the Post Office in business - I keep having to apologise to those behind in the queue!
Title: Re: 'The Flatlands' 600km 13/14th September 2014
Post by: Aunt Maud on 13 November, 2014, 08:17:33 pm
Mine arrived this am, but it didn't have far to go as it remained in Eastseax.

I've yet to clap eyes on it as I'm still over the North Sea.

Cheers Mr T.