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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #325 on: 09 August, 2009, 10:16:45 am »
"Controlled" used as a verb with respect to Audaxes, as in:-

"We controlled at the petrol station on the outskirts of Wibbletown."

When such "speak" is creeping into the Audax world, there can be no hope.  :-\

Isn't this just a bastardisation of the verb "control" which is a homonym for the verb "check" in several European languages?

It should still be used in the passive though, surely?
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #326 on: 09 August, 2009, 02:30:45 pm »
No, not (necessarily) in the passive, but as I said it is a transitive verb and needs an object. You cannot control; you have to control something. You can even control yourself, but there must be an object even if it is you yourself.

Passive use implies that you are the object in the active sense; I control you, so you are controlled (by me).

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #327 on: 10 August, 2009, 08:57:02 am »
Hmmm. How about:

He is very controlling.

That is either wrong, or there is an implied subject (either people in general, or maybe the speaker!) ?
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #328 on: 10 August, 2009, 09:33:05 am »
Isn't it just the word "control" being used as an adjective? Then it is being used to describe someone/thing, which removes the need for a subject/object.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #329 on: 10 August, 2009, 09:49:13 am »
Of course it is - doh! Must stick to the easy stuff on Monday mornings ...

(So are we in agreement that The Audax Usage should be taken out and shot?!?
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #330 on: 10 August, 2009, 09:52:30 am »
Medalled. pah!
It is simpler than it looks.

Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #331 on: 10 August, 2009, 09:57:56 am »
Writing that is comprehensible and thoughtfully composed is good. If it's also witty, that's even better. Good grammar is made by people who write well.

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #332 on: 10 August, 2009, 10:03:52 am »
Re control/medal, may I remind you all of the useful axiom:

There isn't a noun that can't be verbed.

And the intransitive verb "to control" has a different meaning to the transitive verb "to control".

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #333 on: 10 August, 2009, 10:07:27 am »
I winced when I heard a BBC sports reporter saying that 'Britain has four medals in the pool'.  Eh?
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #334 on: 10 August, 2009, 10:11:23 am »
I winced when I heard a BBC sports reporter saying that 'Britain has four medals in the pool'.  Eh?
But not as bad as "four Brits have medalled".  :sick:
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #335 on: 10 August, 2009, 10:23:51 am »
I winced when I heard a BBC sports reporter saying that 'Britain has four medals in the pool'.  Eh?
But not as bad as "four Brits have medalled".  :sick:


And on that subject: "Dug deep". Will be heard at least twice in every post-event interview, and four times in the actual commentry of the event.  :sick:

"Wiggins has really dug deep here; he's giving it all he's got..."

He's not digging! There is no spade, and no allotment! He's cycling, not earth-moving!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:(

Even more annyoingly, I've heard it in swimming race commentry, when the term "digging deep" could potentially be used to describe the arm-stroke. If so, it would be an inefficient and poor technique, but the phrase has been used as if "digging deep" is a good thing! ::-)
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #336 on: 10 August, 2009, 10:24:12 am »
When some says or writes..
"should of"
instead of
"should have"

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #337 on: 10 August, 2009, 10:30:35 am »


And on that subject: "Dug deep".

As a contraction of "Dug deep into his/her reserves", which I think is where it came from,  it's probably OK, if you like that sort of thing.  Better than "gave 110 %" anyway.

Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #338 on: 10 August, 2009, 10:41:05 am »
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #339 on: 10 August, 2009, 11:09:25 am »
Ok, it's not grammar, but I heard Griff Rhys Jones use that awful word "staycation" on Rivers last night.
 :sick:
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #340 on: 10 August, 2009, 12:00:30 pm »
I hate missuse of their and there also where and were the rest I can live with .Apologies if mentioned upthread .
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #341 on: 10 August, 2009, 12:02:49 pm »
I hate misuse of its and it's.

I may have mentioned this before.  :-[

I also hate it when people talk 'around' an issue. Grr. I hope they make themselves dizzy.

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #342 on: 10 August, 2009, 12:52:22 pm »
I hate it when people use the word "issue" instead of "problem"

A problem is something that needs to be solved or fixed, by saying that there is a problem though you quite rightly indicate that something has gone wrong, which in the end is something a good manager should hold up his or her hand up to. Sadly they don't so the weasle word "issue" is used instead.

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #343 on: 10 August, 2009, 04:05:15 pm »
I winced when I heard a BBC sports reporter saying that 'Britain has four medals in the pool'.  Eh?
But not as bad as "four Brits have medalled".  :sick:


I'll see your "medalled" and raise you a "I hope to podium in $EVENT"

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #344 on: 10 August, 2009, 04:12:42 pm »
I hate it when people use the word "issue" instead of "problem"

Like wise "software bug" instead of a FAULT. Don't try and dress up the fact that the programmer made a MISTAKE - there's a problem and it's needs fixing, not some cute cuddlely bug that needs dealing with.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #345 on: 10 August, 2009, 04:18:52 pm »
I hate it when people use the word "issue" instead of "problem"

A problem is something that needs to be solved or fixed, by saying that there is a problem though you quite rightly indicate that something has gone wrong, which in the end is something a good manager should hold up his or her hand up to. Sadly they don't so the weasle word "issue" is used instead.

Ah, but you need a label for things that SOME think are a problem, but others think are By Design, Not Fixable (for software), Matter of Personal Taste,  etc ...
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #346 on: 10 August, 2009, 04:24:48 pm »
I hate it when people use the word "issue" instead of "problem"

Like wise "software bug" instead of a FAULT.

Take it up with Thomas Edison:-

"
It has been just so in all of my inventions. The first step is an intuition, and comes with a burst, then difficulties arise — this thing gives out and [it is] then that 'Bugs' — as such little faults and difficulties are called — show themselves and months of intense watching, study and labor are requisite before commercial success or failure is certainly reached.
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Written in 1878. Source: Software bug - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Fault" is a somewhat overused term in computing. It's most common meaning relates to "page faults" which aren't issues or problems :)

A software "bug" isn't considered cute or cuddly, it has just the same implied lack of care by the programmer as "software fault". Calling them "glitches" is usually the programmers way of trying to shirk responsibility for the problem by making it sound like something other than his/her fault.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #347 on: 10 August, 2009, 04:27:25 pm »
Saw a TV trail yesterday on C4 or More 4 for a programme called 'My monkey baby'  :o

The voiceover promised that it would be about 'three very unique families'.  Wrong in several ways!

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #348 on: 10 August, 2009, 04:28:18 pm »
What does he know?  Edison's biggest problem was when there wasn't a proper inventor around to plagiarise ;)
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #349 on: 10 August, 2009, 04:29:57 pm »
I winced when I heard a BBC sports reporter saying that 'Britain has four medals in the pool'.  Eh?
But not as bad as "four Brits have medalled".  :sick:


I'll see your "medalled" and raise you a "I hope to podium in $EVENT"

If it hadn't been Victoria Pendleton who said it, I might have found myself re-inventing the instep borer.
Ha!
I'll see your "to podium" and raise you an intransitive verb of any colour medal of your choice:
"Sharon is expected to silver in the $EVENT".  :smug:
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