I'm with you on this on Clarion. Freema Agyeman rocked as the doctors assistant.
Bring back Freema Agyeman! (http://www.waldoland.com/images/Hotties/British/FreemaAgyeman.jpg)
What am I saying? I don't even have a TV - what do I care? ;D
Oh - what the ell:
Freema (http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q55/ashtonlamont/freema-agyeman-lola-wise-preview-2a.jpg)
Agyeman (http://i15.tinypic.com/62ojd5k.jpg)
is (http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w169/aurorasands/25-1.jpg)
great (http://i18.tinypic.com/6heo57p.jpg)
Bring back Freema Agyeman! (http://www.waldoland.com/images/Hotties/British/FreemaAgyeman.jpg)
What am I saying? I don't even have a TV - what do I care? ;D
Oh - what the ell:
Freema (http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q55/ashtonlamont/freema-agyeman-lola-wise-preview-2a.jpg)
Agyeman (http://i15.tinypic.com/62ojd5k.jpg)
is (http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w169/aurorasands/25-1.jpg)
great (http://i18.tinypic.com/6heo57p.jpg)
son of groucho, who worked on some the new series, reckoned that Freema and the Doc did not get on together :-X
I wish it was still Christopher Eccleston because he is hawt and David Tennant is all ferretyfaced but no matter, I'm still excited!
Am I the only person in the world who doesn't "get" Dr Who ???
I think I know the answer to this already, but hey ho
....but I'm not a kid.
I think he's a fantastic actor, but he's also hawt, and he's a good Red.
Well, I don't really get the "hawt" bit - but he was definitely one of the more believable characters in Heroes.
I think he's a fantastic actor, but he's also hawt, and he's a good Red.
Well?
Is it worth clogging up the Tinterweb to watch it again?
I think all you boys are interested in is seeing a pretty face, innit? ;)
I'll definitely be watching DT and CT again.
I found Catherine Tate both irritating and disengaged - like someone shouting her lines through a megaphone from outside in the street. In a really grating voice :(
David Tennant is cute? ???I think all you boys are interested in is seeing a pretty face, innit? ;)
I'm sure if David Tennant wasn't so cute there would be fewer female fans too...
*Edit - no disrespect to Urban_Biker - I wrote this before his post. :-[
I don't think Bonnie Langford did "sultry assistant" either :)
I don't think Bonnie Langford did "sultry assistant" either :)
...gods, and she was bloody irritating.
I don't think Bonnie Langford did "sultry assistant" either :)
...gods, and she was bloody irritating.
<cough>
Confession...when I was a younger volio, well, I would have. </guilty pleasure>
I don't think Bonnie Langford did "sultry assistant" either :)
...gods, and she was bloody irritating.
<cough>
Confession...when I was a younger volio, well, I would have. </guilty pleasure>
I thought the silly cute noises coming from the silly cute fat aliens were great. :D
I don't think Bonnie Langford did "sultry assistant" either :)
...gods, and she was bloody irritating.
<cough>
Confession...when I was a younger volio, well, I would have. </guilty pleasure>
Back on topic. I thought CT was OK. Not sure whether she can keep it up without the act getting a bit jaded though - atleast with the other two they were considered a little more attractive (not that she isn't - just not in a movie star way) so they didn't have to rely on comedy for their place on the show.
Back on topic. I thought CT was OK. Not sure whether she can keep it up without the act getting a bit jaded though - atleast with the other two they were considered a little more attractive (not that she isn't - just not in a movie star way) so they didn't have to rely on comedy for their place on the show.
Because obviously it would be ridiculous to write meaningful parts for women which contribute to the plot, and then cast actresses for their talent and ability... ::-)
I wish it was still Christopher Eccleston because he is hawt and David Tennant is all ferretyfaced but no matter
I think it'll get better as the series goes on. The first episode is often a a bit long on plot development and short on intelligent story
"I'm Spartacus"I'm Brian, and so's my wife!
"So am I"
That cost me a mouthful of coffee!
"I'm Spartacus"I'm Brian, and so's my wife!
"So am I"
That cost me a mouthful of coffee!
What was last series' "word"? Unless it was the Saxon/Master theme? The word 'dust' could just be coincidence - it turns up everywhere.
Stevie Wonder: "I dust called, to say, I love you..."
Apologies if you've already discussed this, I've not read the thread properly yet:
Has anyone else noticed this series' "word" yet.
Nigel Planer is always value for money.While that's true, it was Tim McInnery playing the villian. ("Captain, Darling" from Blackadder 4)
And the Doctor's song may be ending soon.But the Ood seemed to lump them both together as DoctorDonna so maybe it's Donna's song...
And the Doctor's song may be ending soon.But the Ood seemed to lump them both together as DoctorDonna so maybe it's Donna's song...
And another thing (while I'm in SF geek mode), if the processed Ood had had a 1/3 of their brain chopped off how come they appeared to be acting exactly the same as the raw Ood at the end? Surely they either need the brain on a string or they don't?
It wasn't a bad episode, and I likes the Ood, etc but....what did the Dr actually do to help them? Apart from turn off the bomb - which Sigma Ood could have done just as easily? As far as I could see the Dr and Donna just got chased around a bit, cracked a few funnies and did a bit more screwdrivering......nothing really to merit being remembered by the Ood for eternity.
That big brain looked kinda comfy.
But who originally created the Ood, then? There's no way a species that crap could come into being naturally!
Right, I'm utterly bored with Dr Who as it's simply not as good as Torchwood
Are there budget troubles? The sontarans seem to have, erm, shrunk!
... a neckid Martha, dripping in warm cloning juice...Erm, yes, sorry about that.
Well bu99er me - thank you MV. I've endured 2 days of "I KNOW that voice, but I'm sure he wasn't playing a Sultanan last time ... ". I even read the credits without recognising Christopher Ryan <shame> .Are there budget troubles? The sontarans seem to have, erm, shrunk!
Starring role for Mike from the Young Ones. He's a shorty.
you gotta love TV / film aliens; Human body, Human clothes
and a funny head.
Funny think though is that the daughter didn't change form (face) when she regenerated just like the Doctor do. ...
I thought tonight's episode was rubbish, apart from Donna who was great. It had spin-off series written all over it and it was boring, derivative and dull. Nice to see the Sussex quarries getting a look in though.I liked it. Not for the acting or script, but for the welcome re-introduction of blonde eye-candy. In a tight T-shirt.
They should have just cloned lots more of the Dr, it's not as if it was difficult.
When will people learn not to create laser grids that people can just somersault through...
Martha got covered in something sticky and guey again :thumbsup:
But, back to the plot, I enjoyed the episode, it wasn't a classic but it was entertaining and possibly the best of the season so far.
We need a Martha-spooge gallery.
Maybe not:
(snip)
We need a Martha-spooge gallery.
Martha Jones splosh pr0n?
You'll go blind, I tell you!
I thought I was going to have to have a discussion with our 7 and 10yr old daughters about why the son, out for his afternoon constitutional, gazed lovingly at another man, then they walked off hand in hand. The most we've had from the mini-ao's so far is - 'so and so told me that a man can marry another man.' :)
Nice bit of recycling - PC fan grills on the back of the helmets....carrying on the traditions of BBC scifi sfx
Nice bit of recycling - PC fan grills on the back of the helmets....carrying on the traditions of BBC scifi sfx
Nice bit of recycling - PC fan grills on the back of the helmets....carrying on the traditions of BBC scifi sfx
I did wonder if they were meant to be part of the costume, or simply there to keep the faceplates from misting up while filming and meant to be hidden? :)
That was the best episode this series. I was out on Saturday night so watched it when I got back, alone, in the dark.
Big mistake.
I wonder if I'll ever grow out of being scared?
Doubt it: they'd have made a lot more song and dance if that was true.
Spolier ('cos I can't work out how to format them properly):
I assume she's been "saved" as a biography, along with all the other people, including the little girl.
River Song's a bit magnificent, isn't she? :PProfessor River Song to you. ;)
You can have more than one doctor at once, there was the 5 doctors episodes and the 3 doctors episodes.
Someone was telling me today that he's taking over from Russell T Davies anyway :thumbsup:
...I thought he was still with the lass who played Madame de Pompadour, but it turns out that he left her for one of the production team, then moved on to another, and now he's dating the lass who played his daughter! :-\ ;)
...I thought he was still with the lass who played Madame de Pompadour, but it turns out that he left her for one of the production team, then moved on to another, and now he's dating the lass who played his daughter! :-\ ;)
I never had you down as a reader of chav-mags FM ;D
How are Ant and Dec getting along in the jungle? And what about that burd in Eastenders? ;)
They might find each other again another time.
So, was River the doctor's future wife, or a future regeneration of him?
Well, that episode was a bit crap. No real explanation, just a lot of people getting excessively paranoid and scared, and frankly I couldn't relate to any of them. Largely I found them to be a bunch of unpleasant arseholes.
Hopefully next weeks episode should be better, since it looks like we get Rose and Donna, since Catherine Tate has improved vastly, and I actually quite missed her this week.
Well, that episode was a bit crap. No real explanation, just a lot of people getting excessively paranoid and scared, and frankly I couldn't relate to any of them. Largely I found them to be a bunch of unpleasant arseholes.
Well, that episode was a bit crap. No real explanation, just a lot of people getting excessively paranoid and scared, and frankly I couldn't relate to any of them. Largely I found them to be a bunch of unpleasant arseholes.
I think that was the point - when faced with a difficult situation, human beings can show capacity for both great nobility and great evil. Also, the Doctor doesn't always just show up and save the day. He doesn't always know; he isn't infallible.
I thought it was really good. :)
Anyone else notice that when the video screens return live as the creature arrives (16:36) it shows Rose shouting "Doctor"
I thought that the script was excellent and built a sense of paranoia and claustrophobia very well, but unfortunately the set was terrible. They could have tried a little harder to make it look less like a section of a 1970s commercial passenger jet...
Anyone else notice that when the video screens return live as the creature arrives (16:36) it shows Rose shouting "Doctor"
Yeah, I wondered what that meant. I guess will find out shortly.
Three words: absolutely f*cking brilliant!
Bizzarely I thought that Catherine Tate was a better actress than Billie Piper. She just seemed sort of dis-interested that episode.
Three words: absolutely f*cking brilliant!
Indeed - but I missed the cloister bell reference - what was that?
To me though the most powerful image from last night was the deterioration of moral values, and the way that the "soultion" became apparent to Bernard Cribbins - superb atmsophere and acting " LAbour camps - That's what they called them last time"
Would we?
I wondered if her mouth was botoxed, but she's very young for that.
Also, did any one else think Billie Piper seemed to have false teeth, as her mouth and the way she was speaking seemed a bit odd?
Also, did any one else think Billie Piper seemed to have false teeth, as her mouth and the way she was speaking seemed a bit odd?
I assumed the weirdness with Rose was deliberate and not an acting failure ( if you see what I mean). I am expecting an explanation.
I really really don't want to be spoiled for next week. I just want it to be next week.
Zomg squee!
And as for Rose... any girl in leather who can cock her enormous cannon with a ka-chock-bweeeeeee! shotgun-charging noise after wasting a Dalek is all right in my book.
I also struggle with the constant recycling of characters that have, in previous episodes, been killed off or relegated to the back of the garage of the space-time continuum.
It would show more imagination to invent a few new ultimate nasties rather than relying on the Master, Daleks, Sontarans, etc
I'm bored of the Daleks. I think in the first of the new series, the episode Dalek with just the one, and then the last two of the series, were excellent. And the finale of series two, with the comedy Dalek vs Cybermen bickering, was excellent as well. But that's enough Daleks for me for a few years. They're not special and scary any more. They just keep doing time shifts and coming back, and it's boring. I'd like a few years without them now.
There is an argument that they are trying to be a little be too clever with the interlinking of episodes. With the old Dr Who, there was very little between episode other than the occasional bringing back of a baddie. How many times have we had the Daleks back in this new series? I know the Daleks are one of the Drs main adversaries, but they have been brought back (and from total annihilation) multiple times, which does seem a little lazy. It would show more imagination to invent a few new ultimate nasties rather than relying on the Master, Daleks, Sontarans, etc
Slightly OT....Goodness, I didn't know that!
Bernard Cribbins was actually auditioned as the Doctor, but pipped at the post by Tom Baker!
It was ... unusual. We heard it when she was sitting on the steps in the Shadow Proclamation. I wouldn't go so far as to say it might have been two heartbeats, but it was definitely not normal.
What was up with Donna's heartbeat? I missed that.
I reckon he'll come back as himself before running out of puff against the daleks and turning into...Of course he'll come back as himself. Someone posted a picture of DT with Mickey, Roses' (former) partner, and Mickey wasn't in the last episode.
More obscure references to past lives: did anyone notice Bernard Cribbins dropping in a line from a Wombles song ;DI didn't, can you remember which scene?
It was ... unusual. We heard it when she was sitting on the steps in the Shadow Proclamation. I wouldn't go so far as to say it might have been two heartbeats, but it was definitely not normal.
What was up with Donna's heartbeat? I missed that.
ETA: I've just watched it again and paid attention to what Dalek Caan was saying. Things that stood out for me were
"he is coming, the threefold man" - the Doctor? What's threefold about the Doctor?
"the children of time are moving against us" - implies more than one Timelord? The ring was picked up at the end of the last series by a female hand. Is Donna the Rani? That would explain the two heartbeats.
"Death is coming - I can see it - everlasting death for the most faithful companion" - hmm. Rose left him, Martha left him, he left Sarah Jane but then she left him - is it Donna? Or is it his absolutely most faithful companion, the TARDIS? Or is it Rose - she only left because she was whisked into another universe against her will and she's fought her way back.
There's a facebook group campaigning for Boris Johnson to be the next doctor.
Oh, and I wanna cuddly Dalek Caan! :D
As for "the most faithful companion": just a thought, but has anyone seen K9 lately? ;)
More obscure references to past lives: did anyone notice Bernard Cribbins dropping in a line from a Wombles song ;DI didn't, can you remember which scene?
I must just have very different tastes to most of you! I liked the downbeat 'Turn Left' so much more, and thought this one was largely a glittery mess. Oh well...
More obscure references to past lives: did anyone notice Bernard Cribbins dropping in a line from a Wombles song ;DI didn't, can you remember which scene?
It was the "open your eyes, look to the skies" bit when the earth is transported - it's the begining of A Wombling Merry Christmas.
More obscure references to past lives: did anyone notice Bernard Cribbins dropping in a line from a Wombles song ;DI didn't, can you remember which scene?
It was the "open your eyes, look to the skies" bit when the earth is transported - it's the begining of A Wombling Merry Christmas.
It's the beginning of Bohemian Rhapsody! ;D
I reckon he'll come back as himself before running out of puff against the daleks and turning into...Of course he'll come back as himself. Someone posted a picture of DT with Mickey, Roses' (former) partner, and Mickey wasn't in the last episode.
edit: Cunobelin posted the pic.
Why isn't it Saturday yet?I know, I know. Are you missing Woolly, too? :'(
Why isn't it Saturday yet?
I love these words!! :D
Everlasting death? I reckon Rose's wazzing around will end up in her being bloiped out of the timestream entirely.
I hate not being a Time Lord!
I don't think River Song is the new doctor.
Why isn't it Saturday yet?
They're perfectly cromulent (http://www.cracked.com/article_15269_p2.html) words.I love these words!! :D
Everlasting death? I reckon Rose's wazzing around will end up in her being bloiped out of the timestream entirely.
Bugger bugger bugger. I'm off to visit the family this weekend, so won't be in a position to watch it until Sunday evening... >:(I too am visiting family, but I have made it clear that I will be watching the Dr Who concluding episode.
What a cracker. Funny, clever, terrifying and tugging at my heartstrings, Hollywood-style for the ending. To anyone who's ever pondered why an Earth-conquering alien race speaks English - when they're in Germany they speak German - of course. ::-)
I liked how the Doctor and Rose realised Gwen was Gwyneth.
BTW, given that the earth hd bee zapped away and then towed back- absent for a number of hours at least - wyh was the moon still in place? eh? eh?
I liked how the Doctor and Rose realised Gwen was Gwyneth.
yeah but - what have I missed? And what's the question about whether her family are a long-time resident of Cardiff?
Am I stoopid?
You must have missed this episode BBC - Doctor Who - Episodes - The Unquiet Dead (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/episodes/2005/unquietdead.shtml), Click on the gallery and you will see the link between Gwen and Gwyneth.
The torchwood lass who dug up captain jack in the victorian era
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I thought it was complete, toe curlingly bad, bollocks.
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I wanted Wilf to be digging a hole.
...as was the bit with the second Doctor acting a bit Donna-ish..
So, anyway, now that it's all over and done with...does that mean there is a new series of torchwood about to start?
In a press release in June 2008 the BBC have confirmed that a third series has been commissioned. This is to be a mini-series of five episodes to be shown over one week, with Peter Bennett as the producer, and Euros Lyn set to direct. In an interview with Digital Spy, James Marsters hinted he would be back filming for Torchwood. TV Guide confirms that John Barrowman has signed up for the new series, and it is set to air in spring 2009, with a possibility of more episodes.
Spooks usually starts in September/October. That'll do me till Torchwood starts again.
btw, has anyone translated the German bits in the episode? I suspect I understand what "Extermineran" means ;D, but what does the German Guardian of the Castle (Valda Aviks) say? I'm guessing it's various things about not using the Osterhagen Key to destroy the world etc?
I half watched the Pompeii episode again this week
hre were some nice hooks into future events: "You have something on your back"
But did anyone else get the Tom Tom Club homage ?
And, re: sci fi on the radio, did you hear Blake's Seven on BBC7? Top.Yes! I thought it was much better on the radio - I completely forgot about the low-budget effects. Good British stuff.
And, re: sci fi on the radio, did you hear Blake's Seven on BBC7? Top. Oh - and the reruns of Earthsearch? Haven't ever heard that repeated until now.
There was what looked like an outside broadcast unit setting up across from work as I cycled in this morning... As DrW and TW are both filmed round here, perhaps I should take my autograph album* with me when I cycle home. ;DAre they bringing back Tomorrow's World?!?
But... but... since when were balloons filled with town gas - the other Doctor said he had a deal with the local gasworks ?
All Miss Hartigan had to do was strike a light, and its goodnight Doctor.
Also, is town gas lighter than air?
Grrr! The sound on the iPlayer download (we were mid-xmas-meal when it aired) cuts out at 32 minutes. Trying to download again to avoid baaaad things happening to my TV.
I want Christopher Eccleston back
1. William Hartnell
2. Patrick Troughton
3. Jon Pertwee
4. Tom Baker (pictured)
5. Peter Davison
6. Colin Baker
7. Sylvester McCoy
8. Paul McGann
9. Christopher Eccleston
10. David Tennant
11. ???
The Mrs would have liked Richard Hammond to be the next Doctor ::-)
Matt Smith eh? He was excellent on R4's Go For It,
Matt Smith eh? He was excellent on R4's Go For It,
Oh, God - him! :(
Imagine if they brought back Ace to be his assistant... ;D
Imagine if they brought back Ace to be his assistant... ;D
All my Christmases would have come early :D
Dr. Who's meets Laura Croft. :DI was actually quite taken aback that they didn't mention Lara Croft by name in the "Dr Who Confidential" afterwards. It was all about the damage sustained by the bus in transit to Dubai, making sure that the sand didn't have footprints in, and generally feeling very smug about getting Lee Evans.
Dr. Who's meets Laura Croft. :D
and generally feeling very smug about getting Lee Evans.
and generally feeling very smug about getting Lee Evans.
I didn't understand why they were so smug about getting him, he's awful!
Scriptwriters: The whole universe is his lobster. Any chance of an episode that is free of London?
You cants!
Bring back the quarries, I say!
Scriptwriters: The whole universe is his lobster. Any chance of an episode that is free of London?
You cants!
Bring back the quarries, I say!
Isn't it normally Cardiff mocked up to look like London? Even worse.
I quite liked him in the Fifth Element. He looked such a prat, I couldn't help being amused.and generally feeling very smug about getting Lee Evans.
I didn't understand why they were so smug about getting him, he's awful!
The only good part he has ever played was being one of those 'flying monkeys' in The Wizard of Oz.
I thought Lee Evans was OK in this but the overall story was shite. Micro/Bionic Mo was awful as was the Tombraider slant.
but the Lara Croft character was annoying, cliched, and Just Not Angelina Jolie. >:(
I think the best one they've done in recent years is "Blink" and they've really got their work cut-out to come up with a script that'll come even close to that episode.Scariest thing I've seen for years. Definately one to watch from behind the sofa.
Bikes. All I'm saying is Bikes. Little Foldaway ones. Don't weigh a thing!;D ;D ;D :thumbsup: ;D
Ditto. :thumbsup:Had to bail. ::-) Did he wet himself? :P
My 8 year old had to bail before she left the containment room. Too scary for him ;D
Bloody hell that was good.
Ditto. :thumbsup:Had to bail. ::-) Did he wet himself? :P
My 8 year old had to bail before she left the containment room. Too scary for him ;D
it was good to see an Ood.
It was one big Timelord existential crisis. Very good.
But it's probably best not to analyse Dr Who too closely or you'll soon start to find all kinds of holes in the plot.
But it's probably best not to analyse Dr Who too closely or you'll soon start to find all kinds of holes in the plot.
Able to transport sufficient building materials to build the roof 10ft thick, but no folding bikes. That sort of thing?
it was good to see an Ood.
, they just seem to have wanted a hub and spoke station design, with bits put stupidly large distances apart, and just vast unused sections of the station, which would increase the leak rate into the atmosphere, and create a higher risk of a rupture (aside from the already mentioned stupid distances to travel in an emergency).
Yes - but it does provide lots of corridors to run away in.
Special on right now
Filmed here
Silent Running (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=18420.0)
Wii + iPlayer + Dr Who = up to speed at last!
get-iplayer+DeVeDe+Brasero = DVD copy for whenever/wherever I like. Ner :P.
Bikes. All I'm saying is Bikes. Little Foldaway ones. Don't weigh a thing!
Tomorrow at 18:00 so no CM for us
Oh well, I suppose it is a children's programme.You darn right it is ! Signed woolly, 39 and a half.
Don't mean to be a party pooper, but I thought it was awful.
Don't mean to be a party pooper, but I thought it was awful.
...
And worst of all, they forget one key element, namely a flipping story. It seemed to be all just setting the scene for the next instalment, and it felt really long and dragged out. Frankly, the whole episode could have been condensed into ten minutes without losing anything.
Still not ginger? I dislike the new doctor already.
Still not ginger? I dislike the new doctor already.It sounded to me like he was disappointed at not being ginger.
Ah. You see, being ginger myself, I took his comment to be negative. Can't think why.
Ah. You see, being ginger myself, I took his comment to be negative. Can't think why.
You could be right, but then again I thought the Titanic one with Kylie had a great story.
And it had Kylie...
Aye, but compared to Blink or the John Smith episode...
And I hope the new Doctor is more like Christopher Eccleston than David Tennant - I loved Eccleston's slightly sinister, eccentric-with-a-hint-of-malevolence shtick.
Ah. You see, being ginger myself, I took his comment to be negative. Can't think why.
You were not alone ,although I am becoming more white these days.
And I hope the new Doctor is more like Christopher Eccleston than David Tennant - I loved Eccleston's slightly sinister, eccentric-with-a-hint-of-malevolence shtick.
Yes - agreed
Tennant was good but he wasn't really edgy enough, and his mockney gurning used to irritate me no end
I may be biased because Eccleston has the same accent as I do :)
Bernard Cribbins was just fantastic. I liked the last half hour. I can see why people think it was self-indulgent, but they were all characters who were so important during the previous 4 series and people have a lot of affection for them, and I liked seeing that they were ok and knowing what they were doing - it won't matter if the new doctor never sees them again so much now.
And I hope the new Doctor is more like Christopher Eccleston than David Tennant - I loved Eccleston's slightly sinister, eccentric-with-a-hint-of-malevolence shtick.
Yes - agreed
Tennant was good but he wasn't really edgy enough, and his mockney gurning used to irritate me no end
I may be biased because Eccleston has the same accent as I do :)
I think it's time Dr Who hailed from the North East of England. Jimmy Nail perhaps or Anthony McPartlin.
Oh yes - now you're talkingRob Bryden
Perhaps we could have a Scottish one...oh, sorry, as you were.
Or Welsh: Ruth Jones would be bril.
How about the Chuckle Brothers as a timelord and sidekick ensemble?
I think it's time Dr Who hailed from the North East of England. Jimmy Nail perhaps or Anthony McPartlin.
Jeff Stelling.
p.s. is noone going to mention all the Star Wars pastiche stuff?!?
I cannot tell you how much I enjoyed the cactus woman running from side to side while the set tilted.
That was more Star Trek than Star Wars to be honest. It still makes me giggle.
Jeff Stelling.
Chris Kamara.
Oh. Cool. :thumbsup:We just watched this one again. Blumming heck, it's good. And scary. Apparently it got the second highest 'BBC Fear Forecaster' rating for a Doctor Who episode.
Blink was an exceptionally good episode, even though it didn't really feature much of the Doctor.
Oh. Cool. :thumbsup:We just watched this one again. Blumming heck, it's good. And scary. Apparently it got the second highest 'BBC Fear Forecaster' rating for a Doctor Who episode.
Blink was an exceptionally good episode, even though it didn't really feature much of the Doctor.
But I still don't get this: if Sally gives the Doctor a folder containing information on everything which occurs during the episode, which he uses to get himself out of 1969, where do the original ideas come from? For example, the idea of making the Angels surround the fading TARDIS, ending up locked in each other's gaze. If the Doctor is told that this happens by Sally Sparrow's information folder, then where did the original idea come from?
*wibbles off into a brain-spin* :facepalm:
Programme about Delia Derbyshire on R4 now. Started 1502.
Well is is at it even before he have started
'Doctor Who' star's airport troubles | TV Blog - Yahoo! TV UK (http://uk.tv.yahoo.com/blog/article/415065/)
Well is is at it even before he have started
'Doctor Who' star's airport troubles | TV Blog - Yahoo! TV UK (http://uk.tv.yahoo.com/blog/article/415065/)
As someone who has on two separate occasions over the years had swiss army knives picked up on airport x-ray, I have some sympathy.
This is the first time since it came back that I haven't been at all excited about a new series starting. :(Russell T - OUT
Yes, I was very upset by the new music.
I'll reserve overall judgement until it has settled down a bit.
Amy Pond (aka Karen Gillan) is definitely a :thumbsup: however!Attractive Scottish redhead, what's not to like. ;D
Overall pretty good, but parts of the plot were too predictable (as soon as he said he'd be back in 5 minutes it was obvious he wouldn't be - like Girl in the Fireplace).
-VEs:
Assistant - OK so far, choice of wardrobe pandering a little to the dad vote.(but then they've worn jungle thongs and bikinis in the past ... )
shite story...but then they always tend to be when introducing a new doc.However this could be misconstrued........ Middle aged man (if that can be said?) travels universe with small girl
quite liked him as a doctor though. defo has potential.
new assistant....i think that the little kid was better than her older self.
am off out now to the charity shops to buy up all the tweed jackets and flog them on ebay for silly money.
I have a strong feeling that the 'silence will fall' quote we reoccur somewhere along the line
a woman who watched the Doctor get dressed, despite the fact that she's engaged... ???
So overall, I think we're in for a fairly good series - with Steven as head writer, the return of the weeping angels :o and a new Doctor, who's better than I thought he was going to be - it should be good :)
Well, that was fairly shit in terms of story but very interesting in terms of the relationship between the Doctor and Amy. Not at all excited about more Daleks though. They need to not give us Daleks for a couple of years - I'm bored of them.
Well, that was fairly shit in terms of story but very interesting in terms of the relationship between the Doctor and Amy. Not at all excited about more Daleks though. They need to not give us Daleks for a couple of years - I'm bored of them.
Voting booths: "...and every five years you get to forget everything you've learned: Democracy in action."
I have a strong feeling that the 'silence will fall' quote we reoccur somewhere along the line
I was a bit disappointed at first that the crack in the wall part of the story wasn't developed further because I thought there was a lot of potential there. But there were several not-so-subtle clues that it would form a key part of the main series storyline...
Could be good as long as it isn't just a rehash of the Bad Wolf story.
And Harry Potter isn't children's books. The first two, maybe, but once you get past those you're into very adult themes, just using children as the characters to tell the stories. Besides, I don't think describing something as for children has to mean it has less intrinsic worth - there are good children's books and telly which are far higher quality than some adult's stuff.
Nothing wrong with that but let's not confuse it with grown-up TV.
Nothing wrong with that but let's not confuse it with grown-up TV.
Sounding a little pompous there, methinks. ;)
Note. I live in Andover...
I'm quite liking this new doctor.
And Harry Potter isn't children's books. The first two, maybe, but once you get past those you're into very adult themes
Besides, I don't think describing something as for children has to mean it has less intrinsic worth
- there are good children's books and telly which are far higher quality than some adult's stuff.
Dr Who is a kids TV show, it was in the 60's (when I first watched it)
surely no adult is scared by Dr Who "monsters".
Note. I live in Andover, home of "Stannah Stair Lifts", a division of "Dalek Invasion Solutions Corp."
Well, that was fairly shit in terms of story but very interesting in terms of the relationship between the Doctor and Amy. Not at all excited about more Daleks though. They need to not give us Daleks for a couple of years - I'm bored of them.
the wee boy in the gas mask
They scared me because they reminded me of the Robots of Death, which terrified me when I was little. Well, that and the fact anything in a mask is scary.
As were the clockwork robots in the Girl In The Fireplace episode.
...and to get the RTD-levels back up, why is the vworper* now a huge glass butt plug?
While we're on the subject of inappropriate observations, am I the only one who wondered if Amy was wearing knickers while floating outside the Tardis at the start of the episode?Pictures, please.
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....am I the only one who wondered if Amy was wearing knickers while floating outside the Tardis at the start of the episode?
Pictures, please.
The weeping angels were really scary - but even scarier was the wee boy in the gas mask and the creepy clockwork monkey banging the cymbals. *fear*
He also seems to have changed handhold and foot between pictures :)I have pictures disabled on my Distance YACF Viewing Screen, but I believe in the episode I watched, Amy had 2 separate excursions.
There's another crack, you know - on one of the screens in the TARDIS. It looks like a crack in a map of the Universe:
(http://ickle-nick.co.uk/crack4.jpg)
I have pictures disabled on my Distance YACF Viewing Screen, but I believe in the episode I watched, Amy had 2 separate excursions.
There's another crack, you know - on one of the screens in the TARDIS.
That is the same shape as the crack in Amelia Pond's bedroom wall.
It is your duty, Citizen. Commendable observation skills. Heads will roll ...I have pictures disabled on my Distance YACF Viewing Screen, but I believe in the episode I watched, Amy had 2 separate excursions.
I took two grabs, about a second or two apart. The view cuts from the first to the second with nothing between...
I can feel a letter to Points Of View coming on!
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I can't find Andygates' crack ...
Yes.
As for the butt plug thing, am I the only one on this forum who doesn't know what one looks like O:-) ?
NoYes.
As for the butt plug thing, am I the only one on this forum who doesn't know what one looks like O:-) ?
I really like the idea of Geoffrey Bayldon as the Doctor.
Don't know how he would have compared to Hartnell, though, since I've not seen many Hartnell episodes ...
Ah but Peter Cushing was the film version, so doesn't count, and Paul McGann just doesn't count due to his totally wooden performance.... so is ackshully 10 :)
Doctor Who - Story No 15 - The Space Museum - 1965 (http://www.seesaw.com/TV/Drama/p-8934-Doctor-Who). :thumbsup:
Ah but Peter Cushing was the film version, so doesn't count, and Paul McGann just doesn't count due to his totally wooden performance.... so is ackshully 10 :)
There are some episodes that do show Paul McGann when the doctors history is involved. The Christmas one with the cyber king was one.
In the first episode of this series he is one of the incarnations the Atraxi see when the doctors sequence through
Nah, once the brits buggered off, the scots turned the heat down.
Nah, once the brits buggered off, the scots turned the heat down.
Pfffffffffffffft.
Well, I had to taper it to your understanding.
Yeah yeah. Pwnd.
I'll let you know when I have a spare two minutes.
Why hasn't anyone photoshopped a narwhal-tusk to a screengrab of the star whale?
Like this?Narwhal nor arsewhal! You've put it on backwards. :facepalm:
The Great Doctor Who Conspiracy Of The Fifth Season Bleeding Cool Comic Book News and Rumors (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/04/14/the-great-doctor-who-conspiracy-of-the-fifth-season/)Hardly news - the 5th season was before I was born, IIRC ;)
Like this?Narwhal nor arsewhal! You've put it on backwards. :facepalm:
This is brilliant (but kind of spoilerish if you don't want some big clues as to how the series is likely to develop, so be warned):
The Great Doctor Who Conspiracy Of The Fifth Season Bleeding Cool Comic Book News and Rumors (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/04/14/the-great-doctor-who-conspiracy-of-the-fifth-season/)
It does answer a couple of questions I've had so far, the main one being when the hell the first episode was supposed to be set, which has been really bugging me. Can't believe I didn't spot the clues.
Ah but Peter Cushing was the film version, so doesn't count, and Paul McGann just doesn't count due to his totally wooden performance.... so is ackshully 10 :)
In Episode 1, there is a point where the medley of Doctors is shown it includes McGann:
This is brilliant (but kind of spoilerish if you don't want some big clues as to how the series is likely to develop, so be warned):
The Great Doctor Who Conspiracy Of The Fifth Season Bleeding Cool Comic Book News and Rumors (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/04/14/the-great-doctor-who-conspiracy-of-the-fifth-season/)
It does answer a couple of questions I've had so far, the main one being when the hell the first episode was supposed to be set, which has been really bugging me. Can't believe I didn't spot the clues.
I'm not sure that convinces me of the date. The cellphones and laptops put Amy+12 at now within ±2 years.
The hospital identity card conflicts with this since it was issued in 1990, and can't be more than a few years old. Since we are also assuming Rory isn't that old (say he is around the actors age, 28). At that age the latest that Amy+12 could be is 2000 (assuming he got the badge at age 18, and it's now 10 years later).
That's a ten year gap, which can't easily be explained away.
On the other hand, the identity card also say "Emergency Unit", but Rory doesn't seem to work there, he works in the ward with the Coma patients in it, which I would have assumed had little to do with emergencies.
Hence, I'm inclined to think that the identity card is a badly selected prop, and that the date based on the technology level (ie now for Amy+12) is more likely to be correct, and not the date based on the identity card.
In Episode 1, there is a point where the medley of Doctors is shown it includes McGann:
It includes all ten previous Doctors, in chronological order. We talked about this two pages back. ;D
... When could custard be bought in that sort of carton?
I'm not sure that convinces me of the date. The cellphones and laptops put Amy+12 at now within ±2 years.I agree. Not least because the Doctor told the bloke on the computer to delete his browsing history.
We'll probably get to the end of the series and find the Daleks/Cybermen/Weeping Angels have been artificially accelerating Earth technology for their own nefarious purposes again.We'll probably get to the end of the series and find the rip in the fabric of space-time is just large enough for Rose Tyler to drop back through.
I'm not sure that convinces me of the date. The cellphones and laptops put Amy+12 at now within ±2 years.I agree. Not least because the Doctor told the bloke on the computer to delete his browsing history.
(If we're talking about the same thing - i.e. trying to date the grown-up-Amy part of episode 1.)
Well I thought it was quite dull tonight. Am hoping that the Alex Kingston episode next week will be much better.
Broadsword Calling Danny Boy:facepalm:
Here I go, out on my own again - I thought it was pretty good! :P
When I first saw the Ironside I was instantly back in 1979, painting Airfix kits in Humbrol Olive Green... what a stroke of genius. Don't like the new Daleks though. A certain amount of reinvention is to be expected (and welcomed) but they've messed too much with an iconic design now. Private Eye reckons it's just a ploy for BBC Enterprises to make more money from must-have new Dalek toys.
Interesting development on the "when did Amelia come from" plot axis, but my enjoyment was somewhat spoilt by my constantly scrutinising the background for The Crack!
That was pretty shit. Amy's still hot though :)
When the Tardis finally left the war rooms at the end of the episode, was it my imagination, or did it have a St. Johns ambulance logo on the door? ???See Doctor Who A History of the TARDIS Police Box Prop and its Modifications (http://www.themindrobber.co.uk/tardis-police-box.html)
The St John Ambulance logo returned to the prop for the first time in 45 years and the window frames were once again white with the bottom corner panes made to mimick the hammered glass of the real boxes
- Dalek2: "Can i get you a cup of tea?"
Power Ranger Daleks. At least that was the view of my kids.:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
At least Amy has got out of her Nightie now!
I couldn't quite work out why the Spitfires in space still had their props turning though.
- Dalek2: "Can i get you a cup of tea?"
Is it just me, or was the crack behind the Tardis at the end even less subtle than the various non-subtle cracks in the previous episodes?
Yes, probably. And will she bring the non-Doctor with her?
Yes, probably. And will she bring the non-Doctor with her?
Fnurk ;D
I like that the Drone Dalek is red, it's very much like the guys wearing red jerseys in Star Trek, you know a lot of red Daleks are going to get shot later in the series!
Were those new Daleks styled onna Renault Megane? They've got awfully big arses.
I was expecting the last Spitfire to fly up the Dalek's spout, so to speak... what, it wasn't an ID4 homage?
I may have to get "Can I get you a cup of tea?" as my ringtone!
what, it wasn't an ID4 homage?
Were those new Daleks styled onna Renault Megane? They've got awfully big arses.
what, it wasn't an ID4 homage?
What it reminded me of most was the attack on the Death Star in the original Star Wars.
At least Amy has got out of her Nightie now!Where?
what, it wasn't an ID4 homage?
What it reminded me of most was the attack on the Death Star in the original Star Wars.
Power Ranger Daleks. At least that was the view of my kids.I thought they'd been made by Apple. i-Daleks.
Also, I think I want to be River Song when I grow up.
Also, I think I want to be River Song when I grow up.
I don't know what I lust over more: her shoes, or her pistol/blowtorch multitool.
Maybe Ms Pond will think of the close one eye at a time trick, or she'll hold up a mirror.
Great episode. However...Open letter from Den of Geek. (http://denofgeek.com/television/471290/open_letter_to_whoever_put_a_graham_norton_graphic_over_tonights_doctor_who.html)
Am I the only one who has already registered a complaint about the ridiculous onscreen graphic advertising Over The Rainbow that appeared in the closing scenes? Or were you all watching on analogue?
Those fecking graphics annoy me at the best of times - they're never necessary or welcome. But when they slap a large, colourful, animated graphic on the screen that obscures and distracts from the action of a tense, exciting scene, that really is taking the piss. Someone deserves to get fired.
Totally ruined it for me. I'm sure I'm overreacting but I am furious. >:( >:( >:(
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Yeah there was no need for that vacuous trailer when I was trying to read the credits.
Open letter from Den of Geek. (http://denofgeek.com/television/471290/open_letter_to_whoever_put_a_graham_norton_graphic_over_tonights_doctor_who.html)
For those who weren't treated to the sight of an animated Graham Norton dancing over Matt Smith's exciting speech, here's a screen grab:
Of course River Song could be the Doctor?
Or even the Doctor's daughter...In the Library she said they were married. What sort of relationship are you having if you marry your future/past self? ???
Of course River Song could be the Doctor?Or even the Doctor's daughter...In the Library she said they were married. What sort of relationship are you having if you marry your future/past self? ???
For those who weren't treated to the sight of an animated Graham Norton dancing over Matt Smith's exciting speech, here's a screen grab:
(http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/3298/vlcsnap00002k.jpg)
Rhys, apparently it wasn't shown on BBC NI, Scotland or Wales, or on BBC HD - only English viewers got it. (you're in Wales, right?)
I did catch that it was Mike Skinner as the security guard though ("jeez, that looks like that Streets guy")
... and I'm thinking my cat may be some evil alien! ..
For those who weren't treated to the sight of an animated Graham Norton dancing over Matt Smith's exciting speech, here's a screen grab:Yes, that was sh1te. Sackings should result.
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The Crack TM is doing my head in. Everywhere I look, I see it.I didn't even notice this week's. Either I've filtered them out, or there wasn't one. Good news either way!
no coincidence that it is the first one written by Moffit?
iplayer before bed + weeping angels = leave the lights on. :oI unfortunately* find her difficult to separate from memories of her unclad romping as M Flanders.....
I *love* how infuriatingly smug the redoubtable Dr Song is. When you're fecking around with time, you're bound to be confident, aren't you?
Don't think so - he is in the titles as Series Head Honcho (or similar), but has only written very few of this series. I think.no coincidence that it is the first one written by Moffit?
He wrote the first two episodes, didn't he?
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Of course River Song could be the Doctor?Or even the Doctor's daughter...In the Library she said they were married. What sort of relationship are you having if you marry your future/past self? ???
Would it be considered heretical to say that I'm finding this series a bit Meh...
...and that I didn't find the Angels episode the slightest bit scary?
Would it be considered heretical to say that I'm finding this series a bit Meh...
... I think the whole relationship between River and The Doctor is deliberately left open for the future - I doubt the writers know yet.....
Pond is getting better and better; this could be the best assistant ever
Pond is getting better and better; this could be the best assistant ever
I was saying exactly that to Mrs C whilst watching this week's episode :thumbsup:. My previous favourite was Jo Grant (closely followed by Rose Tyler) but I'm rapidly becoming seriously smitten by the gorgeous Amy.
Would it be considered heretical to say that I'm finding this series a bit Meh...
...and that I didn't find the Angels episode the slightest bit scary?
How come Amy is so good? How does she know how to fix all these things, but she doesn't remember the Dalek/Cyberperson invasion? Has she come through the crack from another dimension? Is she the Master?
Fuck all that. She's just fit....
How come Amy is so good? How does she know how to fix all these things, but she doesn't remember the Dalek/Cyberperson invasion? Has she come through the crack from another dimension? Is she the Master?
How come Amy is so good? How does she know how to fix all these things, but she doesn't remember the Dalek/Cyberperson invasion? Has she come through the crack from another dimension? Is she the Master?
Mistress shurely?
She doesn't have an amazing figure. She doesn't flash flesh, or have a face to die for.
I think it is because she haz teh attitude.
Figure-wise, she looks far better in a bikini than I ever will, so I'm not going to criticise her there, and I find her face very easy on the eye.This thread has now become useless without pictures.
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Fuck all that. She's just fit....
I was pondering this ( ;)) earlier today. She doesn't have an amazing figure. She doesn't flash flesh, or have a face to die for.
Yet she's universally regarded as well fit . . .
I think it is because she haz teh attitude.
Or even the Doctor's daughter...
Or even the Doctor's daughter...
I wonder what happened to her. Now she was fit.
Or even the Doctor's daughter...
I wonder what happened to her. Now she was fit.
Georgia Moffet, Karen Gillan, Freema Agyeman, Carey Mulligan, Billie Piper, Sophia Myles, Kylie, Michelle Ryan, Myanna Buring... the people in charge of Doctor Who at the moment really are doing their best to keep the dads interested.
Surprised nobody's mentioned 'Peri' (Nicola Bryant) yet...
The original Bikini Dr Who Babe.
Sorry matt, didn't pick it up... it does give my age away though... :(Surprised nobody's mentioned 'Peri' (Nicola Bryant) yet...
The original Bikini Dr Who Babe.
I made an oblique reference earlier - surprised you didn't pick it up, being such a big fan ;)
(she's also before the time of a lot of youngsters here!)
Is this Arts & Entertainment or Nuts magazine?
Was Peri the one that was from Australia?
Is this Arts & Entertainment or Nuts magazine?Well you lot started it!
Was Peri the one that was from Australia?
Perpugilliam Brown was an American, who I believe was supposed to come from California. I was always annoyed by her irritating accent (I don't get annoyed by US accents generally, her's just grated for some reason), and I've since found out that she's actually a British actress, so gods know why they didn't just get an American actress. :-\
She had an accent? I don't remember her talking...
Was Peri the one that was from Australia?
I did wonder if that was Bad Wolf Bay they were in.
My only criticism of this series so far would be that the main story arc is far too reminiscent of Bad Wolf.
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So... does River Song kill the Doctor in the future? ???I think they want us to think that.
So... does River Song kill the Doctor in the future? ???
Apart from the snogging. That has no part in Dr Who....
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So... does River Song kill the Doctor in the future? ???
Major points for coming up with a new original way of doing a Teleport. This has been done so many ways in episodes of Star Trek, Blakes 7, and Doctor Who itself, that the swirling upwards disappearing vortex was rather refreshingly good. :thumbsup:
Didn't there use to be a limit on how many regenerations the Doctor could have?
Didn't there use to be a limit on how many regenerations the Doctor could have?
I'm not sure where I got this from, but I always used to believe the limit was 12 regenerations.
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Major points for coming up with a new original way of doing a Teleport. This has been done so many ways in episodes of Star Trek, Blakes 7, and Doctor Who itself, that the swirling upwards disappearing vortex was rather refreshingly good. :thumbsup:
A tadge Death Eater-ish, I thought, sniff.
I always thought it was 10, and remember there was one story involving The Master who was getting towards the end of his last incarnation and somehow managed to takeover some-one else to start again. Or something like that.
Although after googling, it turns out it was 12 but who knows what will happen next (http://news.whoviannet.co.uk/2010/04/regeneration-limit-mystery-to-be-resolved/)............
Aha, I haven't seen the later films, so I haven't seen that. Still that's magic, not proper technological teleportation. :)
Major points for coming up with a new original way of doing a Teleport. This has been done so many ways in episodes of Star Trek, Blakes 7, and Doctor Who itself, that the swirling upwards disappearing vortex was rather refreshingly good. :thumbsup:
A tadge Death Eater-ish, I thought, sniff.
Major points for coming up with a new original way of doing a Teleport. This has been done so many ways in episodes of Star Trek, Blakes 7, and Doctor Who itself, that the swirling upwards disappearing vortex was rather refreshingly good. :thumbsup:
A tadge Death Eater-ish, I thought, sniff.
Peter Davison & Colin Baker don't count, anyway ;)
Did River Song kill Sam Tyler ? :)
We just re-watched The Girl in the Fireplace (another story of the Doctor meeting a girl when she's seven, and returning when she's in her twenties - I'd not noticed that repeated theme before). One striking difference between the old and new series is the quality of the production. The editing, production and music of TGitFP seemed far slicker than in recent episodes.
We just re-watched The Girl in the Fireplace (another story of the Doctor meeting a girl when she's seven, and returning when she's in her twenties - I'd not noticed that repeated theme before). One striking difference between the old and new series is the quality of the production. The editing, production and music of TGitFP seemed far slicker than in recent episodes.
That is my favourite Dr Who episode of all time. It was just wonderful. :thumbsup:
Has anyone mentioned Ace yet? Fit and fond of blowing shit up.
A little disappointing after last week (which was bloody great).Looks like Old Man Pratchett may agree with me!
Ending are always rubbish - after all the tension, some arbitrary-sounding pseudo-science saves the day. Twas ever thus.
What a rubbish episode!
How come the Doc has got his Harris Tweed jacket back this week ? I'm sure I remember him sacrificing it last week in order to escape the clutches of a statue.
How come the Doc has got his Harris Tweed jacket back this week ? I'm sure I remember him sacrificing it last week in order to escape the clutches of a statue.
I should imagine he has a boatload of them in one of his many wardrobes.
I must have missed something. Why did you love it? ???What a rubbish episode!
I loved it!
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I must have missed something. Why did you love it? ???What a rubbish episode!
I loved it!
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Also, why all the hassle of sneaking Ami in so that she could unlock the tunnel for them, when on the Dr's next visit he just walks straight in and starts messing with the 'throne' thing? And why did sunlight only affect the fish people when it was beneficial to the plot? And why did the fish people look more like insects? And why am I turning into Comic Book Guy?
I must have missed something. Why did you love it? ???
GREAT humour, nice use of vampires, but another odd plot with no sensible ending.
6/10, watchable.
It reminded me a lot of the "Shakespeare Code" episode ...
This week had a slight reference to the crack, purely verbally, I didn't see any actual cracks in anything in this episode.
It's hard to tell from the teaser at the end of the episode, but I wonder if the next episode will have any direct bearing upon the "crack in reality" storyline? When we had the Bad Wolf bits, it was quite subtle, and it wasn't until well through the series that we realised it kept on cropping up. With the crack, it's very unsubtle, and if they keep us waiting until the very end for any reasonable details, it's going to be a bit annoying.
What about the close-up of the TARDIS's Yale lock at the end? I immediately leapt to the conclusion that the crack and the keyhole were connected. The shapes do seem to be similar:
Anyway, I enjoyed Saturday's episode (vampires! Venice! pale lasses in nighties!), as I've enjoyed most of the series. It's just silly fun, and at least they haven't been maundering on about Rose Tyler again (again).
What about the close-up of the TARDIS's Yale lock at the end? I immediately leapt to the conclusion that the crack and the keyhole were connected. The shapes do seem to be similar:
Anyway, I enjoyed Saturday's episode (vampires! Venice! pale lasses in nighties!), as I've enjoyed most of the series. It's just silly fun, and at least they haven't been maundering on about Rose Tyler again (again).
I think they were playing to the 'Twilight' fans a bit.
I actually enjoyed tonights episode. And Toby Jones was fantastic :thumbsup: More like this please.
GREAT humour, nice use of vampires, but another odd plot with no sensible ending.
6/10, watchable.
A bit rubbish really. I'm rather with Pratchitt. I know the doctor is brilliant but it would be nice to have some sort of logic/plotline to support his last mininute 'rabbit out of hat' solutions. As is its getting a bit repetitive...
<Nitpicking Mode>
Why at the end did the queen fish take some of her kit off when it was generated by a perception filter? Why not simply turn the PF off? Come to that, why was she and the other girlie fishes in any danger from the male fishes?
Where was she when the doctor was sabotaging her throne and the thing on the roof?
Why were the fishes sometimes affected by daylight and sometimes not?
</NM>
She turned the perception filter on, a clear reference to an earlier scene. She had made the decision to die. Remember what her 'son' said, about his 'brothers' being fed twice?
I actually enjoyed tonights episode. And Toby Jones was fantastic :thumbsup: More like this please.
Me too.
I once blew Toby Jones up! Well several times actually, but once caused more singing than intended :)
I got that but it really didn't make sense. If the boy fishes eat the girl fishes how are there ever going to be any little fishes? More to the point the previous feedee was (originally and recently) human.GREAT humour, nice use of vampires, but another odd plot with no sensible ending.
6/10, watchable.
A bit rubbish really. I'm rather with Pratchitt. I know the doctor is brilliant but it would be nice to have some sort of logic/plotline to support his last mininute 'rabbit out of hat' solutions. As is its getting a bit repetitive...
<Nitpicking Mode>
Why at the end did the queen fish take some of her kit off when it was generated by a perception filter? Why not simply turn the PF off? Come to that, why was she and the other girlie fishes in any danger from the male fishes?
Where was she when the doctor was sabotaging her throne and the thing on the roof?
Why were the fishes sometimes affected by daylight and sometimes not?
</NM>
She turned the perception filter on, a clear reference to an earlier scene. She had made the decision to die. Remember what her 'son' said, about his 'brothers' being fed twice?
If the boy fishes eat the girl fishes how are there ever going to be any little fishes? More to the point the previous feedee was (originally and recently) human.
... well, after the fish-girls had been blown up, that put paid to their chances of breeding. That's why the mother committed suicide by feeding herself to her sons - no point carrying on if there's no hope of saving the species. ....
It seems a little sneaky to make Amy definitely choose Rory at this point, since it kind of removes the doubt and uncertainty about her and the Dr, although any amount of sexual tension is probably out of place in this programme, and probably more appropriate in a series like Torchwood.Sexual tension does NOT belong in Dr Who. I had a bad feeling about the amy-snogs-DR scene, and I'll be very glad if the idea never returns.
Reminded me of an old episode of Hammer House Of Horror where Denholm Elliot can't work when he's awake and when he's dreaming. He dreams of murdering his wife... except he wasn't dreaming.
Tell you what though, I could do without the Doctor opening the Tardis doors so often whilst in flight, even if he comes up with a deus ex machina to explain how he can do so without them all being sucked out in nanosecond.
Reminded me of an old episode of Hammer House Of Horror where Denholm Elliot can't work when he's awake and when he's dreaming. He dreams of murdering his wife... except he wasn't dreaming.
Sleeting at the castle and sunny & warm at the cottage...
Reminded me of an old episode of Hammer House Of Horror where Denholm Elliot can't work when he's awake and when he's dreaming. He dreams of murdering his wife... except he wasn't dreaming.
Tell you what though, I could do without the Doctor opening the Tardis doors so often whilst in flight, even if he comes up with a deus ex machina to explain how he can do so without them all being sucked out in nanosecond.
He explained a couple of episodes back that he extended the air bubble outside.
I'm pretty sure that Star Trek NG had a similar storyline
Yep, last night's episode was probably the best of the series so far. Very clever. And funny.IIRC the girl was at least part transformed but still dont understand why the boy fishes eat the queen fishy, and as before, why was she taking her kit off when it was all generated by the perception filter?
I didn't notice the crack anywhere - anyone else? It seemed to be very much a standalone story, which may partly explain why it was so good.If the boy fishes eat the girl fishes how are there ever going to be any little fishes? More to the point the previous feedee was (originally and recently) human.
The girl they fed to the brothers was still human - she hadn't undergone the transformation process yet.
As for the little fishes... well, after the fish-girls had been blown up, that put paid to their chances of breeding. That's why the mother committed suicide by feeding herself to her sons - no point carrying on if there's no hope of saving the species.
And the Doctor disabling their equipment meant they couldn't just create a new batch of fish-girls either.
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I didn't see the crack anywhere, including in that bedroom (and I just watched those bits again to check).
Hey, remember the Pertwee/Baker era? 25 minutes and a cliffhanger and the week-long wait for the next episode of a four-parter?
The new-look Silurians remind me of something... maybe from the David Tennant era? Not as scary as the originals appearance-wise, but the hint of fascist ideology certainly is.
Yet again they've found a cracking location in South Wales.
You can see one of them (Torchwood House, where Queen Vic met the Werewolf) from our drive :)
Treowen, an historic holiday house (http://www.treowen.co.uk/)
Yet again they've found a cracking location in South Wales.
"I dressed for Rio"
Really? Tights in Rio? Surely a bikini would have been a better choice? :)
Yet again they've found a cracking location in South Wales.
I surprised anyone still lives there - it's clearly very dangerous!
Probably safer then Midsomer.... various calculations suggest that the number of murders actually exceeds tha population of the village!
A couple of years ago, the Torygraph pointed out that whereas Lewis had solved 8 murders in Oxford in a single month, the actual number in the previous year was - one. Which is about average, for Oxford. The last time a member of the university was killed was in 1991.Probably safer then Midsomer.... various calculations suggest that the number of murders actually exceeds tha population of the village!
In similar vein the Local Authoritah in Ystad are getting a bit fed up with Wallander, as it appears to be only slightly less full of violent DETH than Baghdad. The last murder in the area was actually in 1999.
You know, I actually think this series is starting to grow on me.
What is going to happen with Rory? They've gone a long way to keep him in the series, so I'm sure something clever will happen to keep him around.
How come if anyone else gets touched by the light, they're wiped out of existence, but the Doctor can shove him arm into it, and nothing happens to him.
What is going to happen with Rory? They've gone a long way to keep him in the series, so I'm sure something clever will happen to keep him around.
I was inconsolable for days when Adric died.
QuoteI was inconsolable for days when Adric died.
eh? we had a party to celebrate - he was even more annoying than having Bonnie Langford as a companion.
Regarding the current series - they could save a lot of time, effort and expense if the tardis was just to materialize, doc steps out, waves sonic screwdriver around, everything becomes magically fixed, and off goes the doc to the next adventure. Ah, no, wait, that's what happened isn't it?
Yes, the sonic screwdriver has become rather too powerful. I don't recall Tom Baker or Peter Davison using it half so often, nor to perform quite so many different tasks as the recent Doctors use it. Disarming the Silurians like that was just a wee bit too convenient.
And Stephen Moore was in it, which is always enough to keep me happy.
I think you ought to know I'm feeling very depressed.
QuoteI was inconsolable for days when Adric died.
eh? we had a party to celebrate - he was even more annoying than having Bonnie Langford as a companion.
Yes, OK, I already know I'm the only Doctor Who fan ever who actually liked Adric. And I was only 10 years old when he died so didn't know any better. :(
The Sonic Screwdriver has a key role somewhere as it is a link between the Doctor and River Song?
I loved tonight's episode. It made me weep!
Edit: What the fuck was going on with van Gogh's accent?!
It was a bit like the Pompeii episode in series 4, where Welsh = Latin. Look you.
Edit: What the fuck was going on with van Gogh's accent?!
I assumed that it was a joke, having a Scottish actor for Vincent so he could ask Amy if she was also Dutch.
Next week we get James Cordern playing himself. ::-)
+1
It was really irritating in places but did the job for me. All felt abig rushed though - the story needed breathing space. Should have been a two-parter.
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The Doctor is supposed to thwart aliens, not be some kind of extemporaneous social worker. ::-)
I kinda felt that there was one episode missing between the last two.We couldn't have an Amy sad episode though, because she doesn't remember about Rory. But Van Gogh knew she was sad inside. He could see what had happened to her, even though she didn't know.
1: Rob gone, 2: Amy sad, 3: Van Gogh.
I know that it is not normally a continuum in this series, but they have built it up somewhat to have a flow between each episode. And this big event of Rob getting taken by the crack and then nothing felt like something missing.
But still great entertainment for a Saturday evening.
I thought it was a totally pointless episode.
... so I guess that some episodes aren't going to fit into a sequence, and could be simply "stand alone", and not intimately tied into other episodes.
Curtis fooled us; we were sure VG would lose an ear battling the chicken-thingy!
You mean apart from the South Wales / Rio misunderstanding?
He was several years late getting back to Amy
... One criticism - the alien/monster seemed superfluous to the plot, something which has happened before in this series. ...
I could see James Cordern's belly from the back of the room! ::-)
Well yes really. What obviously happens here is that a writer comes in with a good idea that makes a nice 40min story [DW plays football, meets Bernard Cribbins, whatever], then the head writers remind them to have some proper Who elements, so they crowbar an alien in there.... One criticism - the alien/monster seemed superfluous to the plot, something which has happened before in this series. ...
Well, not really. Without the alien/monster/whatever, there wouldn't have been anything to hang the rest of the storyline off of.
They needed an excuse for Amy to get stuck in the Tardis whilst the Doctor went off and did zany "human" things. The alien/monster/whatever was the mechanism used to do that. This did mean it seemed a little superfluous, since they didn't really flesh it out very well, probably for reasons of brevity, ie keeping the episode within it's limited duration.
Why if the screwdriver is a torch did he not use it when it went dark in the angels episode?New update released :)
Excellent episode. The kids predicted that the pandorica would hold the Dr just from the "next time" at the end of the last episode.Does anyone think the "next time" bits are a good idea? In our house they are always the cue to lunge for the remote :(
I expected it to contain the Master
... (I also wondered if his Daughter could reappear, since she's sort of in the same category, basically being a clone of him). ...I've a suspicion that River Song's his daughter. She knows the Dr's true name and can operate the Tardis. Being Timelordish, she may have regenerated.
Oh, it would be really creepy if she's his daughter - she's too flirtatious!I'd have said familiar.
I doubt that we'll find out on Saturday.
We see the picture of Rory and Amy as strippograms - Rory as a Roman soldier is explained, but no reason yet why Amy was a policewoman.
Did that make any sense to anyone?Not me.
Did that make any sense to anyone?It made perfect sense in the context of the series but not so much in the context of reality. I was surprised Amy remembered and brought her family back. I thought she'd sacrifice her family to concentrate on remembering the Doctor to bring him back, but this way was better.
I still don't get it. Is Amy's life (& family) real? What about Amelia living on her own in that big house? What about the Tardis-shaped book and the Raggedy Doctor doll? Is Rory an Auton? How come we didn't see Amy's family until now? Why did River Song walk past the window, smirking?Amy's family were real, but they'd been sucked out through the crack in the wall of her bedroom and therefore never existed and she'd forgotten them, like she forgot Rory when he went through the crack. That's why she was living on her own in the big house - the rest of her family had gone. Rory was a Nestene consciousness living plastic, but he's real again now. We didn't see Amy's family because they'd gone through the crack and she restored them when the TARDIS made the second big bang by remembering them. River Song walked past the window because she'd left the book for Amy at the wedding reception to trigger Amy's memories so the Doctor could come back.
I have to say I felt rather uneasy at the sight of Amy pleading for the Doctor to "kiss the bride" while the hapless Rory looked on.
That was an interesting albeit confusing episode. I think Kirst summarised some of the complex bits. I liked the way that Doctor bounced forwards and backwards in time, doing all the sort of things that you shouldn't do in time, like nicking Amelie's drink. ;D Of course generally that sort of thing isn't done, because of things like "fixed points in time", and was explained away as being OK, since the universe was so small (temporarily).Well, not exactly. In every series it's been explained that some things are fixed points in time and have to always happen, but other things are flexible and the Doctor or other people/events can change them. The TARDIS exploding and destroying the universe clearly wasn't a fixed point in time, because if it was the universe would never have happened at all including the TARDIS so it could never have exploded. The Doctor's always been very careful not to meddle with fixed points in time, but he's always quite willing to have a go at saving people if it's not a fixed point in time, so we can assume that all the fiddling he did last night was to things that weren't fixed points in time. But we know none of it was a fixed point in time because it becomes a self-fulfilling non-event - if the universe exploding and being destroyed and never having existed always happened, it would never have happened because it would never have existed, but because it did exist, it never having had existed couldn't happen.
... Yes if you wanted to you could pick holes in it, but that is not what Doctor Who is about. ...
Also, River's closing comment: "That's when it all changes" - is she a reincarnation of Captain Jack? ;D
or the mysterious elderly Gallifreain (sp?) woman from the end of Tennant's last series? She winked; River winks a lot.Also, River's closing comment: "That's when it all changes" - is she a reincarnation of Captain Jack? ;D
Or the Master?
Anyone daft enough to try making sense of a time-travel story (other than Ray Bradbury's, obviously), should rewatch their copies of:Which one?
- Back to The Future
- Bill and Ted.
Possibly not in that order.
Really enjoyed this. Nice lines, good bits for River Song, not _too_schmaltzy .... and possibly the ultimate ' ... Something blue' joke.
What's not to like?!?
If you want a deeply unsettling time travel knotwork, try Heinlein's "All You Zombies"
Tony:Of course! [slaps forehead] As ripped off many, many times.....
A Sound of Thunder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Sound_of_Thunder)
It's a really well told story, and all time-travel stories since just seem a bit ... lame (but back to the future is still a great film!)
It's the Daily Star, so very likely made up by bored hacks one afternoon, but I do so hope this is true...
Daily Star: Simply The Best 7 Days A Week :: News :: Eric Cantona to join Doctor Who as an evil alien (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/142302/Eric-Cantona-to-join-Doctor-Who-as-an-evil-alien/)
And a nice reaffirmation of the true nature of Christmas: halfway out of the dark.That made me grin, too. :thumbsup:
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One thing confused me - maybe I was a bit pissed...
The family of sister of the cold girl; that Christmas in their house the son was the same age as he was when they all first met, when everyone else was considerably older and one person was played by a different actor completely.
I thought it was brilliant - maybe I'm just easy to please
;D
I liked the whole "cyberpunk" feel of the planet - Victorian style clothes, control board with switches and levers, and people wearing darkened flying goggles.I think you mean "steampunk" (I didn't see any cybernetics!). But whatever, it was a good choice for a christmas sci-fi show :thumbsup:
It's repeated on BBC3 at 7pm tonight.
a niece on her husband's side had, at the age of 18, never heard of Dr. Who or the Daleks.
This is an achievement of which any one of us would be rightly proud.
This is an achievement of which any one of us would be rightly proud.
This is an achievement of which any one of us would be rightly proud.
Really? Why?
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This is an achievement of which any one of us would be rightly proud.
This is an achievement of which any one of us would be rightly proud.
Really? Why?
d.
This is an achievement of which any one of us would be rightly proud.
Really? Why?
d.
I've never met the girl, but to me it indicates an independence from mass media which I think is quite laudable.
This is an achievement of which any one of us would be rightly proud.
Really? Why?
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I've never met the girl, but to me it indicates an independence from mass media which I think is quite laudable.
Darling boy, I know it does to your good self but it can be incredibly well written and there is some superb acting. As my hubby likes to say, anyone who is anyone in the acting world wants to do this show - it is the gig which is why I am so proud that my friend Laura got. Which is why Sir Michael Gambon said that he had always wanted to do this show. It ain't mass media, its a well loved show which I have adored since I was a little 'un and will continue to appreciate for the rest of my life :thumbsup:
Premiering the day after the assassination of United States President John F. Kennedy, the first episode of Doctor Who was repeated with the second episode the following week.
So we have the king of popular culture avoidance (you) admitting to knowing all kind of facts about the show!! :P
This is an achievement of which any one of us would be rightly proud.
Really? Why?
Excepting the Guardian of course ?This is an achievement of which any one of us would be rightly proud.
Really? Why?
d.
I've never met the girl, but to me it indicates an independence from mass media which I think is quite laudable.
The trailers for the new series look great though.
The trailers for the new series look great though.
They do, don't they?
The trailers for the new series look great though.
They do, don't they?
And one of them is written by Mr Neil Gaiman..
bounces.
Doctor Who to marry Doctor Who's daughter • The Register (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/01/05/who_marriage/).
I thought there was a la against that sort of thing (except in Norfolk, obv.).
That was scary...
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... loud laughs, ...
The 5 of us just watched it on I-player and all I can say is WOW!!!!!!! time paradox makes my head hurt at the best of times and I've read a lot of scifi. Spooky, scary, confusing and funny, that's about as good as it gets.
Even scarier I'm now in the position of yet again changing my favourite Doctor...David Tennant finally beat out Tom Baker but Matt Smith is superb.
It's like being a kid again, got to wait a whole week for the next episode ;D
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Even scarier I'm now in the position of yet again changing my favourite Doctor...David Tennant finally beat out Tom Baker but Matt Smith is superb.
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It's a shame they feel the need to include lines that aren't going to be understood by their core audience. It's a kids' programme, FFS.
We enjoyed it, but I haven't made up my mind about 'Rory-the-Roman' tagging along - River Ok, but Rory possibly too many.
Buggeration, I just realised that I'll be at Chez Molio for the next episode. Ah well, that's what iPlayer is for.
Buggeration, I just realised that I'll be at Chez Molio for the next episode. Ah well, that's what iPlayer is for.
We enjoyed it, but I haven't made up my mind about 'Rory-the-Roman' tagging along - River Ok, but Rory possibly too many.
Gillan makes the point that with Rory around, any romance between her character and The Doctor is snuffled out - I think this is a good thing, Dr Who is a much better programme without falling back on the worn-to-paper-thin cliche of will-they-wont-they between the leads.
Agree about deus-ex-machina stuff. It just makes the episode/series/multi-parter seem pointless. Yes, the Doctor is clever-n-powerful - but if there doesn't seem to be any struggle, what's the point? Why doesn't he just stun every bad guy with eye-ball lasers (or his sonic screwdriver)? etc ...
Fortunately Moffat wrote all the better stories a few years ago, so hopefully he prefers a 'proper' plot.
Fine new monsters as well...
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edit: seeing Tim's post I hadn't registered that they were reusing sets as well.
Twas ever so..? e.g. the Tardis pulling the earth back to it's proper orbit etc., etc.
Depends on your definition of 'ever'; did this sort of thing happen before Russell T.Davies?
Depends on your definition of 'ever'; did this sort of thing happen before Russell T.Davies?
There was a fair bit of "reversing the polarity" back in Jon Pertwee's day...
About the most cataclysmic thing I remember happening in Doctor Who when I was growing up was when the Cybermen crashed their spaceship into the Earth, killing off Adric and apparently causing the extinction of the dinosaurs.
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Oh, you people... I think I must be the only Who fan who ever actually liked Adric. I cried when he died. For hours.
I quite like the idea of separate threads.
Frood and I are both a bit concerned that DW has peaked and we've already seen the best of them. The Christmas Special made me cross and last night's was disappointing.
Sam
.......... or you're simply getting old and sensible?
;)
Oh, you people... I think I must be the only Who fan who ever actually liked Adric. I cried when he died. For hours.
I've got to agree that there's only so many times you can use THE WORLD'S GOING TO END. Oh no, sorry, forget that. My mistake.
I still reckon that some of the best episodes were the clever ones that didn't revolve around big events. eg. the (v limited) budget one where it was all filmed in an alien tour bus thing (with the possession and all that).
I've got to agree that there's only so many times you can use THE WORLD'S GOING TO END. Oh no, sorry, forget that. My mistake.
I still reckon that some of the best episodes were the clever ones that didn't revolve around big events. eg. the (v limited) budget one where it was all filmed in an alien tour bus thing (with the possession and all that).
I agree - the one off episodes which has less of a linkage to the overall concept of the series is to my mind a lot more original and there is more license to be more creative. 'The Girl in the fireplace' is my favourite one of all time and left me feeling genuinely touched. The alien tour bus was extremely clever and thought-provoking. I am intrigued by that image of the sad clown with the balloon on his own in that room - I hope that is an episode we can get our teeth into :thumbsup:
The Girl In the Fireplace is also one of my favourites.
The Girl In the Fireplace is also one of my favourites.
That was Moffat too.
He's basically written all the best episodes; the original WW2 gas mask one, blink, midnight and the girl in the fireplace. It all seemed to go wrong once he started writing more than one episode per series.
A female doctor how cool is that. But who is she?
A female doctor how cool is that. But who is she?
I agree with you Rhys, tonight's episode was disappointing. I know that they have to do 'set-up' for the entire season but it was just dull.
If we are looking at River Song and the Doctor as being like 'the life of bejamin button' then maybe the little girl could be River Song? I am also referring to what Rory asked her what she was a doctor of.
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A female doctor how cool is that. But who is she?Don't look if you want to keep up suspense!!
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Looks like it.
Sam
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I like my science-fiction writing to be rather more cerebral than Bill & Ted ...Well ... I can only assume that you acknowledge Bill and Ted's excellent spoofing of the whole over-used time-travel get-out patch, and are only referring to the general tone and dialogue when you say 'cerebral'.
I wonder if the fall of the Silents has a negative effect somewhere... something they should have triggered and that won't happen now?
If we consider the Silents to be a parasite, then many parasitic relationships do have a partially symbiotic nature.
I wonder if the fall of the Silents has a negative effect somewhere... something they should have triggered and that won't happen now?
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Mmm - one or two things seemed odd.And how could he get Amelia pregnant?
Wasn't Rory still a 2,000 year plastic Roman centurion? In which case how could he drown?
Best Doctor Who line in a long time - "there's worse ways [to die] than having your face snogged off by a dodgy mermaid."
I'm trying to work out the "Woman in the wall"
Mmm - one or two things seemed odd.
Wasn't Rory still a 2,000 year plastic Roman centurion? In which case how could he drown?
Nope.I'm trying to work out the "Woman in the wall"
River Song, no ?
I'm trying to work out the "Woman in the wall"
I'm trying to work out the "Woman in the wall"
When they are in the Powder Store, and the woman slides open a non existent hatch, says "You're doing fine, stay calm" and then closes the hatch which disappears again!
I said to Mrs Z, "That's the M&S model" and I was right :smug:
They are rather nicking characters now. Renfrew in the insane asylum, Captain Avery . . .
Henry Avery was a Pirate who pulled off some audacious and rewarding raids.
Then he disappeared without trace............
A pirate captain named "Avery" is repeatedly mentioned in the 1966 Doctor Who serial The Smugglers; the plot centres on the search for Avery's treasure.[65]
The 2011 Doctor Who episode "The Curse of the Black Spot," also features a pirate captain named Henry Avery, played by Hugh Bonneville.[66] While not explicitly linking the character to the historical figure, it makes clear that he had started his career in the Royal Navy before turning pirate, was dedicated to his wife and children, and had captured a great treasure from an Indian Mughal. It also provides a fictional aetiology for his disappearance.
They are rather nicking characters now. Renfrew in the insane asylum, Captain Avery . . .I think the sick bay was nicked from "Coma" and there was a fair bit of "Red Dwarf" in last night's episode.
I wouldn't say that was a good episode last night. Started off as a good fun Dr Who Adventure on a Pirate Ship.
But did it really have to end up with alien space ship trapped in space time plot whole? It seems to me that having an alien space ship trapped in a space time plot hole makes for an easy episode script as everything can be explained in the last 10 minutes due to an alien ship trapped in a space time plot hole..... :-\
This doctor seems a bit haphazard with regards to his impact on future events.
This doctor seems a bit haphazard with regards to his impact on future events.
Giving a working space ship to a crew of pirates?
The only way the Matt Smith seasons make sense is if they all take place in an alternate universe that exists in Amelia Pond's head.
It's the only way it can work.
Evidence? If nothing else, only in her head could that CPR technique have actually worked.
Sam
I thought that was a rather good one too. To my mind better than I have seen in a good while.
I was trying to place the clipped questioning speech of the "Tardis" with a similar creation, but can't place it... despite the fact I know its going to be obvious.
(It's NOT the whale in Hitchhikers)
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but it is the 3rd time they have killed Rory recently.. which made us think..
"OMG you've killed Kenny^dw Rory, you bastards..."
In some ways they possibly could have made more of what the Tardis knew about the Doctor, and they could have come up with a better name for her/it than Sexy. ;D
(a) it was obviously Gaiman
I was trying to place the clipped questioning speech of the "Tardis" with a similar creation, but can't place it... despite the fact I know its going to be obvious.
(It's NOT the whale in Hitchhikers)
Idris' speech and appearance reminded me a little of Bellatrix Lestrange. Though less evil and infantile.
The reason I couldn't place this as it wasn't a SCiFi character - the Tardis reminds me on Miranda Richardson's Queen in Black Adder
The reason I couldn't place this as it wasn't a SCiFi character - the Tardis reminds me on Miranda Richardson's Queen in Black Adder
yes - only watched this last night so avoided this thread, but that was the comparison that came to my mind,. See also Helena B-C in Alice...
Where have you seen the boss before? I had to google her name straight after the credits...I know her from Teachers.
And Lead Balloon?Where have you seen the boss before? I had to google her name straight after the credits...I know her from Teachers.
I've never managed to watch a whole DS9, but yes, he looked exactly like this lot!The unstable gangers look like Voldemort.I was thinking of the shape-shifter from Deep Space 9
Does anyone else think the rory/amy thing isn't working? not the idea itself but I just get no spark at all between the two players and find the idea they're an item stretching my credulity.
Does anyone else think the rory/amy thing isn't working? not the idea itself but I just get no spark at all between the two players and find the idea they're an item stretching my credulity.
Actually, I'm thinking that little of this series is working.
As a family, Ma, Pa, 18, 16, 11 y/old, we've been hooked on every series, every episode since it's rebirth under Christopher Ecclestone, but frankly it's no longer doing-it for any of us. Amy Pond is just annoying, Matt Smith is Dr Magnus Pyke on acid and it all seems overly frenetic. I guess the plot's are just too complex for us because we no longer follow what's going-on, nor do we care.
Actually, I'm thinking that little of this series is working.
So that's it now until the autumn?
Here we go... let the discussion begin! I gave up trying to keep track of the human/gangers after 10 minutes and just enjoyed the ride. It didn't help that they kept referring to "the flesh" when I thought the gangers were made of plastic, like Autons...They weren't plastic, they were organic matter.
So that's it now until the autumn?
There's an episode next week but I think that might be the last one before the break.
I need to watch that again to make sense of it.
There's an episode next week but I think that might be the last one before the break.
I hadn't checked, but there was just a "To Be Continued" at the end today, rather than a teaser for next week.
Rubbish pair of episodes, that. Cluttered, incomprehensible (even though the storyline was obvious) ...
I'm sure he said something about molecular memory, but I need to watch it again.
Yes, which probably means that the 200 year older Doctor previously killed by the girl in the spacesuit (which might be Amy's daughter) was the doppelgänger one.What shoes was the "dead" Dr. wearing when he was topped by the spacesuit from the lake?
ISTR from "Confidential" that Amy's wasn't the same. Twas more like a projection of her real body.
I guess we just have to suspend our disbelief and enjoy the ride.
Well quite. It's not meant to be deep and meaningful. It's just a bit of fun.
Is River Song Amy's daughter?
Is River Song Amy's daughter?
I said that ages ago!!
Does she?
River Song looks a bit mixed race?
Does she?
River Song looks a bit mixed race?
I can't speak for everyone, but yes, it's a bit of fun. However ...
Well quite. It's not meant to be deep and meaningful. It's just a bit of fun.
That must almost amount to heresy for some people.
From a trailer I just saw on BBC1 (after watching Charlotte on The One Show)
River Song: "This is the day he finds out who I am".
It could be an interesting episode on Saturday.
From a trailer I just saw on BBC1 (after watching Charlotte on The One Show)
River Song: "This is the day he finds out who I am".
It could be an interesting episode on Saturday.
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The Doctor also seemed quite happy to do away with that Doppelgänger, which isn't generally his approach to living things.
... but the previous implication was that Amy was seeing it because she was locked up on their asteroid, and it was somehow "leaking" through into her consciousness inside "The Flesh".
If it was her baby who was made of "The Flesh" (as it was), then Amy shouldn't have been able to see the sliding panel bit. Unless this Amy is also made of The Flesh, and is another copy.
... but the previous implication was that Amy was seeing it because she was locked up on their asteroid, and it was somehow "leaking" through into her consciousness inside "The Flesh".
If it was her baby who was made of "The Flesh" (as it was), then Amy shouldn't have been able to see the sliding panel bit. Unless this Amy is also made of The Flesh, and is another copy.
I thought it was the 'flesh' baby that saw the slidey woman - wasn't Amy looking the other way? ...
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Nice bit of satire on religion there as well. Never seen a Welsh Sontaran before either, but many of these Valleys boys are stocky, bald and have no necks.
Do we have to hide spoilers now the episode has been broadcast. If you haven't seen it yet, don't read this thread - obviously!
Interestingly, towards the end of the credits it says:There was one in each Spitfire, pedalling furiously.Ood and Judoon created by Russell T Davies... but there were no Ood in that episode. ???
That Silurian did look rather, ahem, hot, in a female lizard type way.... :-[ ...
That Silurian did look rather, ahem, hot, in a female lizard type way.... :-[ http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/characters/Silurian (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/characters/Silurian)
;)
That Silurian did look rather, ahem, hot, in a female lizard type way.... :-[ ...
Possibly more to do with mannerisms than anything else. Would anyone care to explain why a lacertilian lifeform has breasts?
Right, that's one really big question answered, although it still leaves us with wondering if the person who River killed was the Doctor, and did we see that at the start of this series?
Even if that's the case, it doesn't explain exactly who she killed, since I don't think the Doctor can be killed as the current Doctor for dramatic reasons, since it would mean that the Doctor could never regenerate again, which would be a bit of a git for continuing the series!
Interesting that the speech abut the meaning of "Doctor" as a healer was a "folk memory" of the Doctor's deeds, was in fact suggested many years ago in a fan site by a young fan.... Setphen Moffat
This Saturday at 7:10PM :)
Five minutes warning !!! Please BBC don't do a Touchwood on the the Doctor.And breathe. They didn't.
Such a contrast to Torchwood.
That was certainly interesting. :thumbsup:(click to show/hide)
Confidential is always good for a few "Oh, so they did!" and "What, I hadn't noticed that!" moments.And that they've used that building many times before. I recognised it from the welsh mining experiment episode - the Silurian conference room.
Today's, for me, was that Karen Gillan had previously appeared before in Dr Who, in the episode The Fires of Pompeii, as a soothsayer!
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That was certainly interesting. :thumbsup:(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)
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...unless they change the rules again. ::-)
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That was certainly interesting. :thumbsup:(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)
A moderately enjoyable episode, but I couldn't help but be annoyed at the whole "here is my bestest friend for the whole of my life so far who's somehow never been mentioned before" retconning.
Which is similarly complained about here (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/culture/neilmccormick/100055733/doctor-who-theyre-making-it-up-as-they-go-along/).
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"I entertain," he says several times in this conversation with the Observer, stressing his relationship with his readers. "I spend my day putting doors into alleyways," he says. "In every single book, you'll find Sharpe trapped in a blind alley with no way out. His sword is broken, his gun is out of ammunition, and he's faced with 20 malevolent Frogs who want to kill him. At that point, when the game seems up, magically, a doorway appears beside him and he steps through it to safety. Now, your readers won't accept that, so you have to go back 10 chapters and establish the door in that future alleyway without the reader noticing. This is always a huge amount of work."
No, Mark Gatiss (LoG) who's written severalConfidential has just done a long bit on Gatiss'seses previous 3 episodes.
That was epic/splendid. (Choose appropriate mot du jour.)
I didn't hide behind the sofa, but only because I haven't got one.
No, Mark Gatiss (LoG) who's written several
Fantastic episode that :)
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As for this week's episode, I thoroughly enjoyed it but thought they blew the ending, which - like so many recent Doctor Who stories - was all a bit deus ex machina.
As for this week's episode, I thoroughly enjoyed it but thought they blew the ending, which - like so many recent Doctor Who stories - was all a bit deus ex machina.
Agreed. The dolls were frikkin' scary -Indeed they were and I only saw it on the screen with no sound so had no idea what was going on.
Isn't Dr Who always, though, and always was ? That's part of its personality. It grew out of kids' TV, and the whizz-bang quick-fix outta nowhere for a crisis is a key feature of that.
Really really good makeup.
I loved it. Completely gripped. Decent level of peril and clever story on theme of mortality. I felt it seemed more like proper sci-fi than the usual kids' adventure yarn. Maybe that's why I liked it.
And maybe why wife and son seemed ambivalent.
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Agree that Karen gave a good performance. But she can't do action scenes for toffee. All the ninja skills of a 12 year old boy mucking around with wrapping paper tubes in his bedroom.(click to show/hide)
One sodding great hole in the plot: they are in two time lines, moving at different rates. But can talk to each other.Bollox. "Real SF" ?!? All time travel plots are bollox. :)
Sorry, spent too long reading real SF...
Yeah.
Timey-wimey Deus ex machina through-a-glass-darkly tosh. See also Amy's ability to hack & handily reprogramme The Interface and the Tardis's ability to just "lock on" to her.
The plot was so thin it was threadbare.
No, no, no. It must be self-consistent bollox
That's why Back To The Future is high quality bollox :thumbsup:
Star Trek NG got this mostly right. They had proper science consultants,... who would insist on taking their vacations together, resulting in the Holodeck Episodes. ::-)
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No, no, no. It must be self-consistent bollox
Yes, and we can enjoy talking about it too :)
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Yebbut you're the only one who watched that era of Who, so they can get away with it. ;)
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The Doctor's trousers are too short.
Yup that was well funny we all laughed out loud. I didn't know that the screwdriver had an app store :)
Am I the only adult here who doesn't watch Dr. Who?
Watched it in the 60s.
I really warmed to james corbyn. I always imagined he was a bit of a git, but he came across as genuinely a happy bloke, which is always a good thing<googles ... >
About Me | James Corbyn | ResearchMyName.com
A biography about James Corbyn detailing his early years in Winchester through
to working at Premier travel inn.
Anyway, season finale tomorrow, where all the loose ends are tied up satisfactorily. ;)
One of the girls at work has pointed out that the Doctor's coat changes as well - she is predicting a second Doctor, one which has to go and is killed
http://news.scotsman.com/topstories/Doctor-Who39s-farewell-to-Brigadier.6845697.jp
I definitely agree with the second bit in spoiler tags there.
I am half wow and half wtf.
The story of River Song bit was a good piece in Dr Who Confidential this week as well :)
Once again, so many little nods to other films and series.
The Brigadier was touching, but I laughed out loud at the "Pond, Ameleia Pond" quote and calling the pyramid Area 52 was brilliant
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Bloody Universal Serial Batman. >:(
The story of River Song bit was a good piece in Dr Who Confidential this week as well :)
One of the girls at work has pointed out that the Doctor's coat changes as well - she is predicting a second Doctor, one which has to go and is killedThis is my expectation. The second Doctor made of that gunky stuff.
I bet it is
I'm tempted to go back and look at some of the earlier episodes that that one referenced, too.
+1 to an excellent Confidential
I want to go back and watch them all over again from Silence In The Library - wonder if there's any significance to "silence" there that we missed first time round?
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Some people take this stuff far to seriously
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Crimbo day at 19:00 \o/
Now how good was that ! A proper crimbo Dr. Who tonight!
The goons were "lumberjacks" for the company who wanted to turn the trees into battery power. Bill Bailey was one of these goons
It was easy family entertainment, but I think the Christmas specials have definitely peaked. Once you've had one featuring Kylie spending the hour running around in a short maid's uniform and knee high leather boots then anything else is going to be a disappointment, regardless of the storyline.+1.
... Once you've had one featuring Kylie spending the hour running around in a short maid's uniform and knee high leather boots then anything else is going to be a disappointment, regardless of the storyline.
The solution to weeping angles:
(https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRlLD_-Sa5oa6o6ec5P0DCq9TO3yYGUeMt_34wECocZsLXn7SiY)
nope, because they'd be observing themselves
nope, because they'd be observing themselves
In September 2011 Doctor Who Magazine stated series 7 will air from late 2012.[28] The Doctor Who official Twitter account announced in March 2012 that it was planned that six episodes will be shown in 2012, including a Christmas Special, to be followed by eight in 2013.[29] Episode 1 will screen at the MediaGuardian Edinburgh International Television Festival during 23–25 August.
When is the new season coming?
When the Doctor is kidnapped by his oldest foe, he goes on an impossible mission - to a place even the Daleks are terrified of.
According to the blurb:QuoteWhen the Doctor is kidnapped by his oldest foe, he goes on an impossible mission - to a place even the Daleks are terrified of.
Just in case you have missed the trailers...QuoteWhen the Doctor is kidnapped by his oldest foe, he goes on an impossible mission - to a place even the Daleks are terrified of.
Just in case you have missed the trailers...QuoteWhen the Doctor is kidnapped by his oldest foe, he goes on an impossible mission - to a place even the Daleks are terrified of.
Well, that'll be Cardiff then. All of space and time to choose from, and he goes to Cardiff.
Hmmphh - daleks.........
Again.
::-)
Meh.
Is that a shark over there?
Isn't Soufflé girl the new companion ?
I reckon they go back for her. They wouldn't let her die...
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I reckon they go back for her. They wouldn't let her die...
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I reckon they go back for her. They wouldn't let her die...
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My guess is that the Doctor will take the Tardis back to just after the crash of the 'Alaska' and extract her before she becomes infested with Dalek nanobots.
Genius level assistants (such as souffle girl seems to be) have always posed a scripting problem however - the main role of assistants are to ask the Doctor clueless questions so he can explain to viewers whats going on / what he's going to do / why he's doing something (OH! and to scream a lot, and to give older male viewers something to oggle). As genius assistants don't need to ask clueless questions, the script has been problematic and hence they've have been written out pretty fast in the past.
It'll be interesting to see what transpires this time.
My guess is that the Doctor will take the Tardis back to just after the crash of the 'Alaska' and extract her before she becomes infested with Dalek nanobots.I think we should all remember that timey-wimey is all wibbly-wobbly and therefore things might not be as they seem.
But, tbh, I find it doesn't pay to go looking too closely for plot holes because it only tends to spoil your enjoyment of it. I thought it was a cracking story and bits of it made me smile with gleeAmen! It's Dr Who (a kids programme with robot dogs and time travel), not flippin John Le Carré!
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Fantastic line from the trailer for next week....
"Dinosaurs.....On a spaceship!" ...
Heah, some of the fun is in picking the plot holes to pieces! If we just sat here and said how great it all was, the thread wouldn't have hit 103 pages!
... Whether Coleman's later character is the same as Oswin has yet to be confirmed. ...
... if you want to experience what a Dalek is like, sit on an office chair and put a dustbin on your head for six hours, and then you've pretty much got it ... and obviously once you've been in there for hours and hours on end, the natural character of hating all of humanity just comes really naturally to you ...
It would seem difficult to bring her in as a companion, but ignore her earlier appearance altogether. Some have suggested that she could either appear as an ancestor of Souffle Girl, or possibly could appear from earlier in her own time line (albeit that then requires her to have forgotten about this somehow, before appearing on the Asylum Planet).
Was all the "new companion" publicity back in the summer just a big con? Amy is in the trailer for Ep2 that I've heard, and the Doc still hasn't recruited a new one.
I tend to glaze over whenever Christmas Specials are mentioned
It took me ages to work out who the two robots were! Actually I didn't, my 14yo did in an instant.
I though the Mitchell and Webb robots were one of the better parts of the episode!Definitely
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It took me ages to work out who the two robots were! Actually I didn't, my 14yo did in an instant.
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Dr Who has turned into a panto. >:(
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I thought it was very funny, and next week's looks awesome, but I'll be hiding behind my hands because the weeping angels are scary.
the fact I can't stand the knobber who plays the doctor doesn't help it any. I was unfortunate enough to watch the entire episode this week, very poor!
A quick Google doesn't throw up anything obvious as regards Rolls Royce FD 12, but I'm not an expert on such. Is there a Rolls Royce enthusiast in the house?
... I'm glad they're gone, and that there's no way back for them (although they did find a way to bring Rose back, of course). ...
I'd forgotten about that. At the time, I thought it bore some significance, so going back and checking on it was worth doing.I've seen a thousand plates almost identical to this. They tend to be attached to large item of RN stores (and presumably RAF and Army too). Granted I've seen them with Rolls Royce & Associates (the nuclear arm of the business) rather than Motors.
A quick Google doesn't throw up anything obvious as regards Rolls Royce FD 12, but I'm not an expert on such. Is there a Rolls Royce enthusiast in the house?
As you said, they did seem to deliberately pause on the image of that plate, as though it will have some significance.
... Nato Stock No is the number by which you order the kit from the Stores Accountants, and I'm almost glad they've left it blank, otherwise the Logistics Branch would be grinding to a halt right now!
Yes. Yes it has. BRd 320+. Same stores descriptions, 350 options for machine screw with no further elaboration in the text.... Nato Stock No is the number by which you order the kit from the Stores Accountants, and I'm almost glad they've left it blank, otherwise the Logistics Branch would be grinding to a halt right now!
Oh gods, don't mention NATO Stock Numbers. The microfiche with that on used to be the bane of my life. Managing to find something on it was always a major achievement, the descriptions of some items was spectacularly bizarre. I presume all the microfiche has been replaced by some tortuously complex and cumbersome computer system, with a completely useless search facility.
Do we know how old they both are? If Amy's 5 years older than Rory, they might die together. If they are the sameish age, then she just lives longer than him, alone in the doom hotel after he dies before her.
We have a little gargoyle statue that, since the weekend, has been moving around the garden :o
I think it's my wife trying to mess with my head ???
The Wikipedia entry for "Asylum of the Daleks" says:Quote... Whether Coleman's later character is the same as Oswin has yet to be confirmed. ...
But people have also pointed out that Moffat had denied that Jenna-Louise Coleman would appear before the Christmas Special, so Moffat, like the Doctor, lies. ;D
It would seem difficult to bring her in as a companion, but ignore her earlier appearance altogether. Some have suggested that she could either appear as an ancestor of Souffle Girl, or possibly could appear from earlier in her own time line (albeit that then requires her to have forgotten about this somehow, before appearing on the Asylum Planet).
It'll be interesting to see what they do. I suspect they'll be a bit more imaginative than any of those suggestions, both of which seem a little predictable. ...!
... Whether Coleman's later character is the same as Oswin has yet to be confirmed. ...
Quote... Whether Coleman's later character is the same as Oswin has yet to be confirmed. ...She is referred to as "Clara" not "Oswyn"
We have a little gargoyle statue that, since the weekend, has been moving around the garden :o
I think it's my wife trying to mess with my head ???
Presumably Strax is going to have turned out to have made a miraculous recovery.
Presumably Strax is going to have turned out to have made a miraculous recovery.Physician, Heal thyself?
Presumably Strax is going to have turned out to have made a miraculous recovery.Physician, Heal thyself?
Arguably, he's not a physician, only a nurse. However, a more lax definition of physician than generally used, could encompass a nurse.
I suspect this particular point may be glossed over when the episode airs. On the scale of things to be resolved, this is probably relatively minor.
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Not just me then.(click to show/hide)
It was quite good, but not as good as some of Steven Moffat's earlier writings. Quite a few glaring plot holes though. For instance when Clara fell off the roof, why didn't the Dr simply fire up the Tardis, zoom back in time 15 seconds and go and catch her?
I do hope they are not going to kill of soufflé girl in every episode.
I do hope they are not going to kill of soufflé girl in every episode.
"Oh my God, they killed soufflé girl!" :)
I do hope they are not going to kill of soufflé girl in every episode.
"Oh my God, they killed soufflé girl!" :)
I do hope they are not going to kill of soufflé girl in every episode.
"Oh my God, they killed soufflé girl!" :)
I think this is a brilliant idea! ;D (
I do hope they are not going to kill of soufflé girl in every episode.
"Oh my God, they killed soufflé girl!" :)
I think this is a brilliant idea! ;D (and younger viewers won't have a clue where the idea was stolen from... )
- Dr turns up fleeing galactic coronation ceremony, having stolen his latest starship [idea may not be original]About time for the Three Doctors again? Eccleston, Tennant, and Smith all turn up and run about a bit!
- etc ...
It was quite good, but not as good as some of Steven Moffat's earlier writings. Quite a few glaring plot holes though. For instance when Clara fell off the roof, why didn't the Dr simply fire up the Tardis, zoom back in time 15 seconds and go and catch her?Isn't it well established that the TARDIS isn't very good at that sort of thing?
"Smaller on the inside".
The soufflé reference is barely allowed, since the episode is set in 1892, which is just about the time that the usage of soufflé entered into the English language (sometimes quoted as being at the turn of the 19th century), although it would seem doubtful that a barmaid, regardless of how good her ability to act as a governess was, would be familiar with what would probably have been bleeding edge catering. .
"Smaller on the inside".Want to revisit that one? :smug:
Who knew that YACF was the home of top-notch investigative journalism? This is a scandal.The soufflé reference is barely allowed, since the episode is set in 1892, which is just about the time that the usage of soufflé entered into the English language (sometimes quoted as being at the turn of the 19th century), although it would seem doubtful that a barmaid, regardless of how good her ability to act as a governess was, would be familiar with what would probably have been bleeding edge catering. .
Interesting point! ;)
Who knew that YACF was the home of top-notch investigative journalism? This is a scandal.The soufflé reference is barely allowed, since the episode is set in 1892, which is just about the time that the usage of soufflé entered into the English language (sometimes quoted as being at the turn of the 19th century), although it would seem doubtful that a barmaid, regardless of how good her ability to act as a governess was, would be familiar with what would probably have been bleeding edge catering. .
Interesting point! ;)
The DG should step down immediately for allowing this on our screens.
Kill him...... I'll tell HR.......... ;DForgot that quote :)
Enjoyed it but they rushed the ending again.
... just enjoy the ride for 45 minutes. Next week's episode looks a bit more menacing.
If Clara had been explaining to a camouflaged hub where the organisation were located, and was uploaded before the Doctor got back, how did he know where they were?
Yes, I found the music intrusive - and I don't normally care about that kind of thing. A few continuity errors as well, especially with regard to the geography of London...
Well, it is filmed in Cardiff... ;)
I loved it, but my dad found it difficult to follow as the background music is so bloody loud. Why do they do that?!It may be time to start a petition about the background music. It's pretty much constant now ::-)
I liked that Clara was using her (natural?) northern-ish accent.
Well, it is filmed in Cardiff... ;)
If Clara had been explaining to a camouflaged hub where the organisation were located, and was uploaded before the Doctor got back, how did he know where they were?
I also wondered about that but assumed the jump cut just skipped the bit where he must have looked at the screen of the laptop to see what Clara had just been looking at.
Here's another one: how did Clara's personality get downloaded back into her body at the end, given that the hub was back at the Shard by then?
I also hear on R4 that Sue MacGregor in her programme Reunion, is reuniting certain people that appeared (or had dealings with) the first Dr Who programme in 1963.;D
I'm imagining an aged Dalek: "WELL, THAT TAKES ME BACK SUE!"
Well, it was pish this week. Started promisingly enough with the Mos Eisley Cantina setup, then there was too much singing, religious overtones and defeating of pumpkin-faced star-gods by shouting and a leaf. And the continuity in the space-moped scenes was at about the level of a primary school Christmas play.
Remember....it's for kids, then it all makes sense.
Remember....it's for kids, then it all makes sense.
That's how I've approached it over the last couple of years. 45 minutes of "don't think too hard" enjoyment. But still, this week's was poor. I'm a fan of Mark Gatiss, so I'm looking forward to next week.
........... And the continuity in the space-moped scenes....................
... and if there was any good one liners we don't know.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TalkingTheMonsterToDeath
Though I did like the idea of the Long Song and there were teases that the whole thing was acoustic tech to contain in, which never made it to fullness; they'd have given it a Lost Tech Ritual Purposes cleverness.
mini ao (11) described it as a 'filler' episode. Mark Gatiss story next week.
mini ao (11) described it as a 'filler' episode. Mark Gatiss story next week.
I had my 2 with me, and a niece, and all three described it as "Rubbish".
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TalkingTheMonsterToDeath
Though I did like the idea of the Long Song and there were teases that the whole thing was acoustic tech to contain in, which never made it to fullness; they'd have given it a Lost Tech Ritual Purposes cleverness.
Yes, good point. I'm never any good at finding the TV Tropes, there are too many, and all too often they have clever names which makes them hard to find.
The apparent use of sonic weapons by the Vigil, and the opening of the door using a song, does led credibility to the argument that the Choristers are using some sort of acoustically based technology to control the Old God and Grandfather.
I had a hunt for a TV Trope relating to old technology being mistaken or forgotten about, and being viewed as a mystical magic or religion (pretty much the same thing, just with different names), but couldn't find one, although I'm sure it's there somewhere.
It would have made for a slightly more complete storyline, if they'd played that card, and it would only have taken a brief mention by the Doctor alluding to the technology to do it, so it's a shame they didn't, but some authors prefer the mystery of such actually being magic or religion, rather than rationalising it as lost science and technology.
I think the film Zardoz has that theme.
One of the girls at work reckons thatthe "Great Intelligence" dates back 40 odd years to early Patrick Troughton episodes and a quick Google (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Intelligence) shows her to be right
If so then it is not only the Doctors appearing in this anniversary year!
One of the girls at work reckons thatthe "Great Intelligence" dates back 40 odd years to early Patrick Troughton episodes and a quick Google (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Intelligence) shows her to be right
If so then it is not only the Doctors appearing in this anniversary year!
There is a scene where in the "Market Place" Clara asks if he has been there before, and the reply is "Yes with my Granddaughter"
Was that another Troughton era reference?
I agree with MattH - they overdo it. Weaving the assistants into the plot is fine, and plenty of great Doctor Who stories over the years have been built around the fortunes of the assistants, but it's all getting a bit much (and a bit tiresomely repetitive) when the fate of the entire universe hangs on the pretty young lady every bloody series.
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how come this is the first time we get to hear about the Tardis's babelfish talents?
I enjoyed that. Haven't seen the Ice Warriors since my favourite Doctor, Patrick Troughton. That time they were in the tunnels of the London Underground. I wonder if this series will reintroduce the Great Intelligence and it's Yeti guardians?
The Great Intelligence has already been referenced this series, last week I think (or the week before, can't remember as I watched them back to back on catch-up).
I was really bored during that episode.
The TARDIS's translation capabilities have been part of it forever. How else do you think the Doctor manages to talk to all the aliens? They don't all speak English. Plus, Rose had it explained to her about one episode after she joined the Doctor.
Awesome Bad Wolf theories about Rose and Clara http://who-lligan.tumblr.com/post/47304596201/the-bad-wolfed-clara-theory
I'm in the 'meh' camp. Criminal underuse of David Warner (who would make an awesome Doctor Who - he's even got the right initials!)That's a good vid, and Warner was great; but he was a supporting character, they could hardly have given him much more to do without him taking over (he was rather good!)
This was a much more fun thing I saw recently with DW in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDCWEq4BZgo&feature=youtu.be
REALLY pleased by the reduction in background music
Are you joking? For about the first five minutes, I couldn't make out a word they were saying. Had to have the subtitles on. It did quieten down noticeably after that though.
I enjoyed that. Haven't seen the Ice Warriors since my favourite Doctor, Patrick Troughton. That time they were in the tunnels of the London Underground. I wonder if this series will reintroduce the Great Intelligence and it's Yeti guardians?
The Great Intelligence has already been referenced this series, last week I think (or the week before, can't remember as I watched them back to back on catch-up).
Are you joking? For about the first five minutes, I couldn't make out a word they were saying. Had to have the subtitles on. It did quieten down noticeably after that though.
The subtitles set the tone quite well in the opening scene with "RADAR pings", I thought... :facepalm:
Don't remember them being in the Tube. Yetis and cobwebs, yes...
Least convincing submarine set since Mega Shark vs Giant Octopus...I haven't managed to watch it yet. Was there a big red valve that the Doctor/Captain/XO shut to stop the water/steam/radiation? If so, it can't be that bad. All submarines are fitted with them!
Joking? How dare you! Excessive background music is a very serious business.REALLY pleased by the reduction in background music
Are you joking? For about the first five minutes, I couldn't make out a word they were saying. Had to have the subtitles on. It did quieten down noticeably after that though.
Don't remember them being in the Tube. Yetis and cobwebs, yes...
Apparently so, according to the Wikipedia entry on The Web of Fear (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Web_of_Fear), which was broadcast back when my age was barely single digit, so I don't have any memories of it.
Interestingly that was also one of the first episodes to have UNIT and Lethbridge-Stewart in it, both of which have recently also been reintroduced, albeit with the Brigadiers daughter, rather than him, since he died (both in the Dr Who universe, and the actor in the real universe).
No lots of big wide open corridors. Two keys and a big red button.Least convincing submarine set since Mega Shark vs Giant Octopus...I haven't managed to watch it yet. Was there a big red valve that the Doctor/Captain/XO shut to stop the water/steam/radiation? If so, it can't be that bad. All submarines are fitted with them!
I enjoyed that. Haven't seen the Ice Warriors since my favourite Doctor, Patrick Troughton. That time they were in the tunnels of the London Underground. I wonder if this series will reintroduce the Great Intelligence and it's Yeti guardians?
The Great Intelligence has already been referenced this series, last week I think (or the week before, can't remember as I watched them back to back on catch-up).
Don't remember them being in the Tube. Yetis and cobwebs, yes...
Also, big hollow walls that the alien could hide in.
I don't know anything about submarines, but I figure space is at too much of a premium to have hollow walls.
On the plus side, Brutus from Rome was there. :)
Also, big hollow walls that the alien could hide in.If you had room for a hollow wall or a big empty deckhead to hide in, some bugger would have fitted lockers there! I did enjoy spotting the Bad Wolf references.
I don't know anything about submarines, but I figure space is at too much of a premium to have hollow walls. On the plus side, Brutus from Rome was there. :)
I did have a few minor quibbles however.Tim you do know that this is only a TV program :) :) :)
I did have a few minor quibbles however.Tim you do know that this is only a kids' TV program :) :) :)
Ghostly goings on in a large old house sorted out by the Doctor. Seen that several times since Dr Who returned to TV.I'm not sure that's true. In "Tooth and Claw", "The Unicorn and the Wasp" and "The Lodger" it could be said they had some elements of that description, but it wasn't really fundamental to the story, and the basic storyline could have been placed in other locations as easily (actually that's mostly true of this storyline as well). Arguably one of the few where it's more significant was "Blink", but that was also quite different from this one. Inevitably old buildings as locations are necessary sometimes, as are spaceships, exotic modern looking buildings and many other locations. I'd hardly say it was common in the returned series, or overused. In fact, most of the episodes I just mentioned have had a very good reception.
Yep, I did say they were minor quibbles, otherwise I would have supplied a detailed list of the issues. ;DI did have a few minor quibbles however.Tim you do know that this is only a TV program :) :) :)
Ghostly goings on in a large old house sorted out by the Doctor. Seen that several times since Dr Who returned to TV.It's so repetitive, isn't it? I do hope next week's doesn't involve aliens. Or time travel. Or peril...
Ghostly goings on in a large old house sorted out by the Doctor. Seen that several times since Dr Who returned to TV.It's so repetitive, isn't it? I do hope next week's doesn't involve aliens. Or time travel. Or peril...
The obvious choice nowadays would be a Potalooo.
My family are tired of me saying "Oh look, Dr Who has crash-landed" every time we drive past a Portaloo (but now you will start saying it as well.....a meme I hope)
The bit with Clara going on about "The entire life cycle of Earth ... and you're OK with that? ... We're all ghosts to you, we must be nothing ..."
Yeah doing that episode he was very accurate with time and location to gather all these photographs. Normally he is slightly off with time and location, just look at Pond he was around 20 years off with her.I can barely forgive him for getting his timing wrong in The Girl in the Fireplace. Sophia Myles would have made a brilliant companion. And a bonus 'for the Dads' ...
I can't decide if tonight's was really good or a horrible mishmash.
Some good bits from Clara though and intriguing discussion on the 'cliff edge' that presumably will be reflected later in the series as her relationship to souffle girl and the governess/barmaid incarnations will be revealed.
This series has been pish so far :'(
My carp is why the monsters, which were the part-melted / burning-up future versions of the protagonists were so desperate to kill their own selves from slightly in their past? Maybe an exposition of why this was so was one of the bits that was lost in poor editing. I know its only a childrens' series but such a major plot facet as why the monsters were hell-bent on killing their past selves must have been thought through.
The magic wand is becoming seriously over-used.
I was not impressed this week. Now, the previous one: I am trying to remember who wrote the SF story that episode gratuitously ripped off, where a spaceman is returning in a different time rate so that he appears as a regular spectacle in a fixed place, his posture only very slightly different each time...
I should have expected that it would Mark Gatiss who'd deliver.
When Jenny ripped off her crinoline to reveal a shiny catsuit and start high-kicking baddies... was that a tribute/reference to Diana Rigg?
And best of all... Thomas Thomas!
Superb.
I did wonder if Sweetville was a reference to Bourneville - an new town set up by a religious group.
Mebbe its me but afaiac this week's episode was entirely predicated on setting on the trail in the last couple of minutes and was otherwise a waste of time, and for that matter the trail doesn't look promising. God save us, (Who will save us?) from introducing 'kids' into the storyline. Probably inevitable once Clara is defined as a nanny but really, the script writers are really scraping the barrel here....
And the cybermen yet again, yawn.
P.s, chicks in leather catsuits are only interesting if they clear the room. Taking out three with ease then running away is just a nonsense. Pathetic.
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... Although it will be interesting to see how the Cybermen weave into next weeks plot, they are becoming a bit over egged.....
... It hadn't occurred to me, that Jenny in her catsuit, which we've seen before in A Good Man Goes to War, was a nod to Diana Rigg and The Avengers, ...
I think the Doctor alludes to Tegan Jovanka, when he talks about getting a gobby Australian to Heathrow Airport, although her appearances were mostly before my time, and I don't really recognise her.Yes, I thought that was her and I thought it was a nice touch, although I didn't particularly like Tegan.
... Mr Sweet vs Titus Salt. And Titus Salt had a daughter called Ada ...
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Vastra, Jenny and Strax need a spin-off series. Pleasepleaseplease with scissor grenades on top.
I still can't get over Diana Rigg cackling "Do you know what these are, Doctor? The wrong hands!"
I still can't get over Diana Rigg cackling "Do you know what these are, Doctor? The wrong hands!"Oh wow, I forgot that - top line! (and it's one of those jokes that has you wondering - how come noone's said that before???)
I still can't get over Diana Rigg cackling "Do you know what these are, Doctor? The wrong hands!"Oh wow, I forgot that - top line! (and it's one of those jokes that has you wondering - how come noone's said that before???)
My first thought was that it was Pete Postlethwaite in drag (until I quickly realised it couldn't be!)I still can't get over Diana Rigg cackling "Do you know what these are, Doctor? The wrong hands!"Oh wow, I forgot that - top line! (and it's one of those jokes that has you wondering - how come noone's said that before???)
[2nd confession - I didn't even recognise Madam Rigg. So of course the link to catsuits also went over my head ... must watch Mark Gatiss episodes sober in future ... :facepalm: ]
That was a delightfully silly episode, marred only by the lack of comments on the rocket science in this thread. ;D
That was a delightfully silly episode, marred only by the lack of comments on the rocket science in this thread. ;D
Well, there's not a lot you can say about that. The technology of that era wouldn't have allowed them to build such a boilerplate vehicle that actually worked, but I assumed that it was either based on information from Mr Sweet (is he sentient, or is that just Mrs Gillyflower's fancy?) or Mrs Gillyflower's genius.
The only point you can really argue is whether you'd survive the vehicle actually going up the "chimney" whilst standing on that staircase, and with anything remotely like our current technological development, I'd say not.
It's Dr Who. Not a documentary.
It's Dr Who. Not a documentary.That was a delightfully silly episode, marred only by the lack of comments on the rocket science in this thread. ;DWell, there's not a lot you can say about that. The technology of that era wouldn't have allowed them to build such a boilerplate vehicle that actually worked, but I assumed that it was either based on information from Mr Sweet (is he sentient, or is that just Mrs Gillyflower's fancy?) or Mrs Gillyflower's genius.
The only point you can really argue is whether you'd survive the vehicle actually going up the "chimney" whilst standing on that staircase, and with anything remotely like our current technological development, I'd say not.
... But the rocket was clearly Jules Verne style engineering, with a hot and probably toxic exhaust - at least a bit of duck & cover seems justified.
Well it *HAD* a bit of science.It's Dr Who. Not a documentary.
Well yes, but I like a *bit* of science in my science fiction.
I think this Doctor is hamming it up a bit too much for my liking, that two-faced battle of wills was very clumsy, twisting from one side to the other to express the two sides of his brain...
I quite liked that, although it seemed a bit unlikely how the Cybermen were suddenly becoming very powerful, and after something stopped them, there would be a brief "Upgrading", and then they'd become immune to it. That seemed far too convenient, and a bit too powerful potentially.
They were also apparently used in the original Doctor Who series, in various forms, but I can't say I remember them.
They were also apparently used in the original Doctor Who series, in various forms, but I can't say I remember them.
I do! I also remember that the cybermen are allergic to gold. Not sure about cleaning fluid though.
heh!I quite liked that, although it seemed a bit unlikely how the Cybermen were suddenly becoming very powerful, and after something stopped them, there would be a brief "Upgrading", and then they'd become immune to it. That seemed far too convenient, and a bit too powerful potentially.
Welcome to the weekly deus ex machina! ;)
I'm surprised noone's mentioned how the current Cybermen are a total ripoff of the Borg (from TNG).
I do! I also remember that the cybermen are allergic to gold. Not sure about cleaning fluid though.
I'm surprised noone's mentioned how the current Cybermen are a total ripoff of the Borg (from TNG). Assimilate! Resistance is Futile! The 'instant upgrade' thing is (in effect) just like the Borg adapting their shields to phaser frequencies (or whatever it was they did - the point being that they were nearly invulnerable).
I quite liked that, although it seemed a bit unlikely how the Cybermen were suddenly becoming very powerful, and after something stopped them, there would be a brief "Upgrading", and then they'd become immune to it. That seemed far too convenient, and a bit too powerful potentially.
Welcome to the weekly deus ex machina! ;)
I recognised the drawbridge, it's Castell Coch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castell_Coch) just outside Cardiff, although it has no moat. I think some of the interiors were from there as well.
It looked familiar, wasn't it also used in an earlier series in an episode involving the Daleks, and Martha Jones working independently of the Doctor. I have a vague recollection of Daleks moving through a forest and Martha working with UNIT.
It looked familiar, wasn't it also used in an earlier series in an episode involving the Daleks, and Martha Jones working independently of the Doctor. I have a vague recollection of Daleks moving through a forest and Martha working with UNIT.
That sounds like "The Stolen Earth", the first episode of a two parter, with "Journey's End". That mostly sticks in my brain for the German speaking Daleks; "Exterminieren, Exterminieren".
There are a handful of episodes around that time, where we see Martha working with UNIT; The Sontaran Stratagem / The Poison Sky, The Stolen Earth / Journey's End, and on Torchwood with Reset (probably others as well, but those are the ones I recall).
I thought the episode was tedious self-mythologising nonsense, but that was the mother of all cliffhangers.Yeah, that.
What was going on with the Sontaran going to Glasgow to start fights thing?That was what Strax does to relax on his weekends off. I thought that was funny.
It's a great set-up for a season where the Doctor's Big Bad is one of his own future incarnations. That could get twisty.
The big intro for John Hurt was unnecessarily patronising to the audience I thought.
As you said - far too obvious! He'll be some previously unseen incarnation, I reckon.
It was me - see comment hidden by spoiler tags above.
However, generally those aren't hard limits, we don't have a fixed number of days or years before we suffer from a heart attack, or thrombosis.Teeth - baby teeth and whatever the later ones are called.
There are numerical limitations on life, we have ten fingers and toes, two arms, and so forth, but I'm not sure there's anything chronologically speaking that is limited to a certain number, and that number being the same for all of us. Someone with a background in biology feel free to contradict me,
In order:
The old one
The one with eyebrows
Worzel Gummage
The mad one
The soppy one
The one everyone forgets played the doctor
The "what were they thinking of" one
The one that was only in the film
The method acting Northern one
The Scottish one
The overacting one
I have been winding up a couple of female friends of mine with hints that Benedict Cucumberpatch might be willing to take it on, and when they worked out that wasn't happening they got very excited at the idea of Richard Armitage.
In order:
The old one
The one that was only in the films
The one with eyebrows
Worzel Gummage
The mad one
The soppy one
The one everyone forgets played the doctor
The "what were they thinking of" one
The one that wasonlyin the film and on the radio
The method acting Northern one
The Scottish one
The overacting one
Does this mean that we'd need more Eye Candy for the Mums?
I'm still curious...
"Just photographed the next Dr Who for tonight's announcement. Let me know what you think of the photo? He's going to be an ace Dr."
I want the "Keep calm and regenerate" TShirt
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You lot do realise the actor playing the Doctor doesn't write the scripts, yeah?
Uncle Rory ???
You lot do realise the actor playing the Doctor doesn't write the scripts, yeah?
Uncle Rory ???
We watched Mark Gatiss' An Adventure in Space and Time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Adventure_in_Space_and_Time) last night, which tells the story of how Doctor Who came about. It was excellent and rather moving (one moment in particular made me 'leak from the eyes' a little, towards the end).
So who what are these:
ABDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVXYZ :demon:
"The ravens are looking a bit sluggish - tell Malcolm they need new batteries"
Brilliant!
Well, they did - look at the eyes.And also "I hope the ears are a bit less conspicuous this time." ;D
The story was disjointed, incoherent and rambling, and far too earnest with the heavy-handed moralising.
The Bible is extremely weird in places: monsters with horns on their horns, men wrestling with angels, devils entering pigs, floods covering the whole Earth, people rising from the dead. For some, this weirdness is its very weakness. Such stuff obviously couldn't have really happened. It's just fiction, they scoff angrily, dismissing the whole thing as rubbish. But I often find the weird bits the best. Why can't the imagination be used to tell the truth – maybe not empirical truth, but something else. A truth about the human condition perhaps.http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2013/nov/22/doctor-who-modern-scepticism-christianity-doesnt
The story was disjointed, incoherent and rambling
The story was disjointed, incoherent and rambling
Agreed.
The fans seem happy though.
I definitely missed the part, during the last 40 years or so, when the Sonic Screwdriver changed from being a lock-pick (it wasn't that much better than a normal screwdriver) into a do-anything-you-can-possibly-imagine tool.
it's a Kids' TV show (admittedly with high production values) and I'm not a kid any more.
Quoteit's a Kids' TV show (admittedly with high production values) and I'm not a kid any more.
Exactly. Like many Kids' TV shows, it's being made by geeks my age, putting in wanky references and in-jokes for other geeks my age to appreciate. But it's still fundamentally a kids' show. Long may it continue.
Star Wars is a children's film. And Harry Potter is a children's book.
Lots of adults enjoy those.
First out of the box was "City of Death", which is the one where Number 4 (Tom, luvvy) and his companion, Romana (Tom's lover), run around Paris (adds nothing to the script, but allows them to show that they were actually there and not simply relying on stock footage) seeking to thwart a dastardly count ("o" importnant - this is a kid's show, apparently) plotting to pilfer the Mona Lisa as part of a more profound plan that is sprinkled throughout time (carefully avoiding spoilers???) It has aged remarkably well, with a solid script (written by Douglas Adams), a satisfying sci-fi twist, and good pacing.
You're all a bunch of miserable bastards, I thought it was great.
A pile of pointless wibble. Only barely worth watching for the usual 2 decent minutes (i.e. Matt Smith's wonderous quips, and Clara's wonderous skirts)....+1. And :thumbsup: for the skirts.
Bah! And Humbug.
So next TARDIS touchdown in Autumn 2014.
Not sure I liked the sneaking in of the "reboot" gift from Gallifrey where they gave another 12 regenerations, thus allowing for 50 years.
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Where's a slow shaking head emoticon when you want one!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-28892903Peli just agreed to have this installed at ours :-)
That was underwhelming. And I really struggled to hear a lot of the dialogue against the music, as ever. I didn't care for the general ageist jokes, either.I think we lost the battle against the constant music long ago :-(
Those icky cyborgs featured in an earlier episode. Was it The Girl in the Fireplace?I thought they were from that, plus the Doctor was talking about a ship called the Madame Pompadour. I think timey-wimey is all wibbly-wobbly again.
Dr Who?
I thought ep1 was mostly great, and I like Peter Capaldi as the Doctor, but ep2 was pretty dull on the whole. Some good lines though.It had Vod in, which was confusing.
I think all the episodes so far have been gash. Peter Capaldi is great, but they're giving him crap material.
... It's surely difficult to devise a science-fiction comedy drama plot that doesn't have huge holes in it, but I'm sure they can do better than that one! ...
more interesting questions about who the Doctor is, and how he thinks.
I don't care about convincing. I just want the stories not to be shit.
Now that was a great episode. Plenty of suspense and even the doctor was scared. Had a good flow all the way through the thing.
You want an "original" time-travel storyline? good luck!
I've no problem whatsoever with Doctor Who re-hashing old SF ideas. They often make for good stories, and the target audience probably won't have read the originals.Yup - if a film reuses a Shakespeare plot the critics all swoon!
I've no problem whatsoever with Doctor Who re-hashing old SF ideas. They often make for good stories, and the target audience probably won't have read the originals.Yup - if a film reuses a Shakespeare plot the critics all swoon!
It's about the way you tell 'em. The "ankle grab" moment was exquisite.
I quite enjoyed last nights show, more so than the previous one. I thought it had some nice features, and was quite good fun, with little of the slightly odd back story that we're waiting to be resolved.
I actually quite liked the characters, and the storyline, and it actually surprised me in places. :)
23:32 * kim attempts to forget everything she knows about physics
23:42 <kim> dammit
23:43 <kim> the gravity i can forgive, but quindar tones...
23:43 * kim tries to forget engineering too
23:44 <Red> ...
23:59 <kim> i think it's about time to forget biology...
23:59 <kim> ...yup.
00:27 <kim> i think doctor who may have jumped the dalek
00:32 <nat> but yes, very little of that made sense, except Clara’s reaction at the end
00:35 <kim> i did like the yo-yo, of course
00:36 <nat> yes, Dark Season was referencing the same thing of course :)
00:41 <Red> oh, forgot it was on
00:42 <Red> I've just been a bit underwhelmed with it so far
00:42 <Red> Peter Capaldi has so much potential, and they're just not using it
00:43 <nat> I thought his acting at the end was amazing
00:44 <Red> I'm just waiting for them to DO something
00:44 <kim> i thin his acting's been pretty good throughout
00:44 <kim> shame about the stories
00:45 <nat> the episode looked brilliant, I loved what they did with Courtney, the ending was really powerful and justified, but the actual main story was bewilderingly ludicrous
00:45 <Red> yes, it's the stories
00:45 <Red> they just seem so... cbbc
00:45 <kim> i'm quite liking courtney, but in a 35-year-old-who-thinks-year-tens-are-like-that kind of way
OK everybody, before you all get worked up on Saturday evening, about plot holes and Scientifically implausible events....(click to show/hide)
Well somebody needed to break the news.
It's like it deliberately failed the Bechdel test, and then hung a lampshade on it.The sweeties were indeed a lovely touch.
But still less annoying than last week's, and I liked the jelly babies.
It's like it deliberately failed the Bechdel test, and then hung a lampshade on it.
But still less annoying than last week's, and I liked the jelly babies.
Are you my Mummy? That was better. :)
I didn't even notice any jelly babies.
I'm with Woolly on this: I am getting tired of the ever-shorter skirts, for one.I'm not getting tired of the length of the skirts, more the wooden acting - no life, no character - just reading out lines while trying to remember to blink cutely. We need someone who can play up against Peter. This series still need an episode that would make you go - now that was a doctor who episode, me likey, lets watch it again.
It's like it deliberately failed the Bechdel test
That one wasn't too bad, I thought. :thumbsup:
I liked it, although the 2/3/4 dimensions thing bothered me. We live in three visible dimensions with a fourth of time, right? The doctor is a frikkin' time lord so I reckon he ought to call our universe a four dimensional one. Which would make the flickery zombies three dimensional beings, right?
I liked it, although the 2/3/4 dimensions thing bothered me. We live in three visible dimensions with a fourth of time, right? The doctor is a frikkin' time lord so I reckon he ought to call our universe a four dimensional one. Which would make the flickery zombies three dimensional beings, right?
Oh and what Steph said about skirt lengths and stuff ::-)
Missed it. Would I be forgiven if I quite liked the short skirts (had I seen them)?
Missed it. Would I be forgiven if I quite liked the short skirts (had I seen them)?
I missed the short skirts - too distracted by the cleavage on display.
I liked it, although the 2/3/4 dimensions thing bothered me. We live in three visible dimensions with a fourth of time, right? The doctor is a frikkin' time lord so I reckon he ought to call our universe a four dimensional one. Which would make the flickery zombies three dimensional beings, right?
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Jolly good show, I liked that they kudos'ed the movie they copied. The odd funny joke. Nick is good. But the sad news is that we have to endure her in the next season. Can't they write her out like they hinted in a few episodes in the season just gone.I imagine they were just keeping their options open during contract negotiations. Now the money has been sorted out, you're stuck with her for another year!
As references go, it made Inspector Spacetime look subtle.
Just watched it. Thought it was a load of old toss.
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"oh no, they can't, surely" x2.
I wasn't underwhelmed as I wasn't expecting much after the last series......but I think that they really are trying too hard. I think that Capaldi makes a fine Dr but the material that he is given is less than inspiring.
(Currently dipping in and out of Peter Davison's time in the TARDIS. There are some very good serials in that run. Watching the visitation at the moment. Whilst the low budget pokes through on occasion, it is one where they begged borrowed and stole costumes and props from the historical drama units. So is quite well presented)
Oh yes this last episode, nice spooky cuts etc just like horror and other scary things should be. But sadly it never really gripped me. I know he survives in every episode, but other episodes got me there where I have the feeling that this really could be the end of Who and people of earth.
Anyone else think the corporate drone in the first of the two parts was a direct rip-off from Aliens?
Horns! I enjoyed it clever link back to how he looks and nice hints into the future. Horns!. I enjoyed the robot soldiers. But HORNS!
I'd call him _completely_ unnecessary. His death just padded the time out (something we get a lot of with the double episodes). I don't know every work of SF written before Aliens, but I'm not aware of them stealing the idea - lets say I wouldnt be surprised if Aliens was the first usage (certainly in a mainstream work). Either way, Dr Who stole it!Anyone else think the corporate drone in the first of the two parts was a direct rip-off from Aliens?
Not really, unless the Aliens character was the very first to do it. That particular character is quite the cliche, and seemed a little bit unnecessary, other than giving them a another different "standard" character to inhabit the environment.
I guess they needed a number of characters, whose primary function was to die, and move that part of the story along somewhat.
That accent. I assume it was meant to be Geordie. It wasn't, and it hurt my ears.
I'm a child of the 80s. My Doctor's companion was Ace. It's all going to be a disappointment after that.My dad's favourite was Leela.
I'm a child of the 80s. My Doctor's companion was Ace. It's all going to be a disappointment after that.My dad's favourite was Leela.
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In even better news. I took delivery of the Doctor Who Lego set that is officially launched on Tuesday. I may have crossed a threshold in fan status, as its my first non-media who related thing.Very envious, you lucky sod :)
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Moffat write to Peter Jackson (https://www.facebook.com/PeterJacksonNZ/videos/10153602968491558/) ;DThank you, thank you, thank you. That is hilarious.
Does anyone know the story behind this?
I fell asleep 5 minutes into it.....
What was the story line? (no iPlayer access here)
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"A couple of other cast members"
Alex Kingston and Matt Lucas? If they were also there....
...you doubly jammy bastard.
*jealous*
Greg Davis was there though.. :D [very very tall]
Thank Dog for the absence of Matt Lucas as stabbing him repeatedly with a fork would have been tricky in front of so many witnesses.Did you enjoy yesterday's show Mr L?? TBH i couldn't figure out Lucas' character. My memory is failing - was he in the last series? He was harmless enough yesterday, but I felt his lines could have been delivered by any non-baddie character from the last 10 years of Who. A bit... so what?
Thank Dog for the absence of Matt Lucas as stabbing him repeatedly with a fork would have been tricky in front of so many witnesses.Did you enjoy yesterday's show Mr L??
Seems to be a lot of lobbying for a FEMALE doctor.
Where are these people coming from?
Seems to be a lot of lobbying for a FEMALE doctor.
Where are these people coming from?
Seems to be a lot of lobbying for a FEMALE doctor.The 21st century.
Where are these people coming from?
I've absolutely nothing against the idea, if they find a good 'un. It's unlikely, but no more so than Brexit/Trump, and will happen before a female Bond.I've absolutely nothing against a male doctor, if they find a good 'un.
Touché!I've absolutely nothing against the idea, if they find a good 'un. It's unlikely, but no more so than Brexit/Trump, and will happen before a female Bond.I've absolutely nothing against a male doctor, if they find a good 'un.
Can't remember whether it was here or elsewhere the first pointed to this, but somewhere in the multiverse...
http://www.scifind.com/the-other-11-doctors/
Can't remember whether it was here or elsewhere the first pointed to this, but somewhere in the multiverse...Miriam for me!
http://www.scifind.com/the-other-11-doctors/
What have I missed? When did Bernie €cc£€$cáK€ play Doctor Who?
Or did you mean Christopher Eccleston (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Eccleston)?
I think Zoe Wanamaker would be a good Doctor. Twitter is currently ablaze with the news that Danny Dyer would like the job. bobb's response to this is "Stavros you fakkin melt."I see your Zoe and raise you a Maggie
Assuming the Doctor regenerates randomly into human form, equally male or female, the probability that there should be 13 male doctors in a row:But, of course, the probability that the next doctor is also male = 0.5
0.513 = 0.012% = 1 in 8192.
He'll always be the idiot from the BT adverts as far as I'm concerned.
Ha! Yup, a fair appraisal.He'll always be the idiot from the BT adverts as far as I'm concerned.
By the time he was in the BT adverts, he was already known as the idiot from My Family. Or "The New Nicholas Lyndhurst".
Btw, I thought this week's episode was shite. Yes, I know "it's for kids" and I'm taking it too seriously blah blah blah, but I found it really dull, even by the standard of recent series.
The new sidekick is promising though. Hope she gets some better material to work with in the rest of the series.
I'm quite enjoying the current series, although I wish they'd explain what the "thing" behind the door is, that's getting a bit irritating.
I'm quite enjoying the current series, although I wish they'd explain what the "thing" behind the door is, that's getting a bit irritating.I think it might be the Master/Mistress.
I don't understand why the TARDIS didn't translate the pope.
I don't understand why the TARDIS didn't translate the pope.
Moffat: Well, the scenes just worked better with the Pope speaking Italian and being translated. I did write in the Doctor saying he didn’t really need the translation, and Nardole suggesting that he play along out of courtesy – but it glitched the scene, so I lost it in the edit. In fairness, the Doctor’s translation ability has wobbled before, so it’s just having another off moment. ...
I've not watched Dr Who since sometime around 1976. I am however quite shocked at the recent news...
A TimeLordLady. Hmpf...
;D
...
There have been a few Time Lords who were ladies. Two, I think.
A female Doctor is hardly radical, probably less so than a black President of the USA, and that didn't bring about the end of the world, whatever Republicans may claim, and Barack Obama is actually real, and not a fictional character.
A female Doctor is hardly radical, probably less so than a black President of the USA, and that didn't bring about the end of the world,Well it did lead to President Trump. So depending on how you define causality, it may still lead to the end of the world ...
I caught the very end of Womans Hour - which I gather covered Doctoress Who in some detail - and they read a listener's email; she was complaining that The Doctor should also have been black, and hiring Jodie shows how slowly the BBC are stuttering into the 21stCentury ::-)
1) I suspect you also caught the beginning and middle of Womans Hour (but that's a different topic).No, really, I didn't!
A female Doctor is hardly radical, probably less so than a black President of the USA, and that didn't bring about the end of the world ...Well it did lead to President Trump. So depending on how you define causality, it may still lead to the end of the world ...
If it's flipping Catherine Tate, you will owe me big time.A female Doctor is hardly radical, probably less so than a black President of the USA, and that didn't bring about the end of the world ...Well it did lead to President Trump. So depending on how you define causality, it may still lead to the end of the world ...
I guess that's an argument we can have, when they pick the Doctor after Jodie Whittaker!
I remember the fuss before Star Trek: Voyager came out. Everyone was all worked up about there being a female captain. Then it finally came out and we quickly realised that Janeway was literally the least annoying thing about it.
Yeah
*but has moment *
Oh, and Tits of Borg was no feminist achievement.
I'm just grateful for iPlayer. MrsC failed to record it, but the technology saved the day.
A bit better than most of the Christmas specials I thought.
An excellent opening episode, and Jodie is playing the character very well :)
Quite a dark opening episode :o
Can't wait to watch the rest of the series :D
Quite a dark opening episode :o
One review posited a possible change here as r=the new team is not from a SciFi background, but more human based drama. Is there a possibility that we will be seeing more episodes where the human story is more pronounced
But why would you carry a bike all the way up to the top of a moor if you want to learn to ride it?
Things like that always spoil it for me.
But why would you carry a bike all the way up to the top of a moor if you want to learn to ride it?To go where you won't run into mates who would take the mickey?
Things like that always spoil it for me.
But why would you carry a bike all the way up to the top of a moor if you want to learn to ride it?
Things like that always spoil it for me.
Tonight's episode WOW !!!
Tonight's episode WOW !!!
Eh, what? Did I miss a singalong bit? Or did an assistant get voted off??Tonight's episode WOW !!!
Yes, very good - until it went all X Factor at the end.
woot Kim is the Doctor ?!?!??!
^ I LOL'ed at that
I'm surprised social media hasn't been awash with people complaining that its pandering to political correctness gone mad to have a seasonal special episode broadcast on New year's Day rather than Christmas day. Im looking forward to it, at least it will make for a non Christmas story line!
I'm not usually a fan of the "Stuck on a space ship" storylines - it's been done a zillion times across all sci-fi genres, but that was actaully pretty good IMO. Enjoyed it :)
Is there any sign of a "story arc" yet? I haven't noticed. That was something Dr Who never needed - leave it to the American shows. :thumbsup:
I didn't really like the latest episode. I'm well aware of what happened after the partition, so I don't need a tv show to explain it to me. I can read.
I want creepy arse alien fucks, not a history lesson...
In 2012, it was announced McTighe would be writing a reimagining of Prisoner Cell Block H called Wentworth.[8]" ???
The BBC press release quoted him as saying, "My entire television career has quite literally been an elaborate plan to get to write Doctor Who – and no one is more shocked than me that it paid off. I've been having the time of my life working with Chris, and writing for Jodie and the new team, and can't wait for everyone to see what we've been up to
Anyway, the original remit of Dr Oho was to be semi-educational, hence the time-travelling to historical events.
More recently we've had the 2012 Olympic torch relay intruding on a storyline, though I don't know if that really counts as 'historical'.
More recently we've had the 2012 Olympic torch relay intruding on a storyline, though I don't know if that really counts as 'historical'.
I reckon that one should be reasonably disqualified on the basis that the episode was broadcast in 2006.
More recently we've had the 2012 Olympic torch relay intruding on a storyline, though I don't know if that really counts as 'historical'.
I reckon that one should be reasonably disqualified on the basis that the episode was broadcast in 2006.
It's historical in a timey-wimey kind of way. ;)
(Tbh, I'd completely forgotten that it went out before the event.)
we saw Pendle Hill.
Anyway, the original remit of Dr Oho was to be semi-educational, hence the time-travelling to historical events.
Working genuine historical events into storylines is certainly nothing new in Doctor Who, though they mostly seem to be incidental rather than fundamental plot elements - eg the Doctor accidentally starting the Great Fire of London, and the Cybermen causing the 'meteor' strike that wipes out the dinosaurs (and Adric).
More recently we've had the 2012 Olympic torch relay intruding on a storyline, though I don't know if that really counts as 'historical'.
I enjoyed both the Rosa Parks and Indian partition episodes. They didn't feel like pointless history lessons to me, more like historical events providing background context for the human drama of the episode's main storyline in each case. And given that the target audience is kids, a bit of edumacationalism is perfectly acceptable in my book anyway.
In fact, I reckon the whole series has been really good so far - a considerable improvement on the last few series.
Bradley Walsh's agent is certainly earning his 10% at the moment - while Doctor Who was on BBC1 yesterday, he was also presenting The Chase over on ITV at the same time.
a brilliant in-joke too :)
At least 8/10 :thumbsup: Some very clever little touches; I have high hopes for the new writer...
<googles> ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_McTighe
Well I didn't expect this:
"QuoteIn 2012, it was announced McTighe would be writing a reimagining of Prisoner Cell Block H called Wentworth.[8]" ???
But I did like this:QuoteThe BBC press release quoted him as saying, "My entire television career has quite literally been an elaborate plan to get to write Doctor Who – and no one is more shocked than me that it paid off. I've been having the time of my life working with Chris, and writing for Jodie and the new team, and can't wait for everyone to see what we've been up to
If I was going to be uber-picky, I'd point out that both Electric Dreams AND the X-files did the amazon spoof idea first. Clearly it's fertile ground!
And here I was trying not to do spoilers :)
For me, it's not a proper Who episode if nobody r******s any p******ies.And here I was trying not to do spoilers :)
I didn’t think that was a spoiler, since it’s incidental to the plot, but sorry if anyone’s enjoyment is ruined by my indiscretion.
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On top of waiting until next year for the final of this season we also have to wait until 2020 before the next season, why are you doing this to us !!!
shakes fist in the general direction of BBC HQ
Vogons anyone ?Do you mean the Judoon? They've been around a while in DW.
Maybe just me spotting the nicked ideas.
Vogons anyone ?Do you mean the Judoon? They've been around a while in DW.
Maybe just me spotting the nicked ideas.
I don't really see much similarity with Vogons.
Or did you mean something else?
https://screenrant.com/doctor-who-joe-hill-writer-rejection/amp/I've just skim-read that. I presume the main point is this bit?
I get all my Doctor Who knowledge fromBike ImmunityBi Community News.
wow that's was a brilliant start back, a true hide behind the sofa and laugh out loud episode.no Daleks though!
I'm a bit fatigued from the Doc saving the world from ever more contrived/bigger/infiniter threats
Heathens !!!!
Next you will be telling me that you have stopped playing with Lego, shudders...
We've not watched the new year one yet, so no spoilers please!Ah right, well I hope you enjoy - as we did - Aisling Bea playing the hilarious character "Aisling Bea - you know, the one in her own TV show a few months back".
I've been enjoying this Doctor, and the last series though - despite my misgivings about series long stories.
Ncuti Gatwa: BBC names actor as next Doctor Who star. (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61371123) This Unit predicts further anguished howling from the Gammonariat.We've already come to accept Scottish actors.
...This Unit predicts further anguished howling from the Gammonariat.You've got to admit it though, it is fun watching imbeciles getting worked up about who can or cannot play an (effectively) immortal being from another planet who can travel through time (& space) and who changes shape every now and again. MInd you the shape changing is a bit limited, so far it's always been a variation on adult human. Now what would be really exciting would be, say, a cephalopod or mebbe a dolphin. Now that I'd tune in for.
Now what would be really exciting would be, say, a cephalopod or mebbe a dolphin. Now that I'd tune in for.It would mean a lot more dialogue for the companions:
^ Point of order, he absolutely can't play the Doctor!Point of order. The doctor goes through a regeneration not a reincarnation.(click to show/hide)
...I think the correct term is
The doctor goes through a regeneration not a reincarnation.
I had seen the rumours in the mill so I knew he was back. ...I hadn't heard anything, so that was also somewhat of a surprise for me too!
When the Boney M played I scared the dog with my laughter.They do seem to enjoy throwing in some music for him to dance too! I remember a similar usage way back in Series 3 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b007rsj5/doctor-who-series-3-13-last-of-the-time-lords) (3 minutes 12 seconds in).
I enjoyed this one, didn't even notice that it was an hour and a half.Was it?! :o
Excellent. Loved it.
60th anniversary of the first episode today. Anyone else remember watching it?
Enjoyed the 2nd special 'Wild Blue Yonder', some funny moments too.That was MUCH better. Ep1 passed an hour without irritation, whilst Ep2 is probably the smartest (or least worst!) SF-y story line from RTD. (who never seemed to understand the ethos of SF, let alone Dr Who. except when he was stealing an idea that had been done twice as well in some 60s/70s novel).
I've been tied up with my eyes pegged wide open, in front of Dr Who.I did wonder if the makers of Gremlins and Return Of The Jedi might sue for creature design.
Thanks family. What an absolute pile of steaming poo. :hand:
I did wonder if the makers of Gremlins and Return Of The Jedi might sue for creature design.If they do, they'd better expect a lawsuit from the Brothers Grimm. :)
As a Christmas panto type of excursion, it was quite entertaining. As well as setting up further mysteries such as who is the neighbour, Mrs Flood?I think she was in EastEnders early on - probably ran a pub.
As a Christmas panto type of excursion, it was quite entertaining. As well as setting up further mysteries such as who is the neighbour, Mrs Flood?I think she was in EastEnders early on - probably ran a pub.
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As a Christmas panto type of excursion, it was quite entertaining. As well as setting up further mysteries such as who is the neighbour, Mrs Flood?I think she was in EastEnders early on - probably ran a pub.
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and married to rock royalty.