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More rip off insurance crap
« on: 03 November, 2023, 08:44:14 am »
Buildings and contents insurance renewal arrived yesterday.  The premium has jacked 35.9%.

The only thing that has changed for us over the last 12 months is that we, our home and the contents within have got older by one calendar year.

Time to pop round the corner to our friendly local insurance broker this morning methinks.

Re: More rip off insurance crap
« Reply #1 on: 03 November, 2023, 09:41:38 am »
Loyalty is no longer a thing in insurance, or utilities like phone, broadband, energy etc. 

If you forget this you'll pay dearly for it.

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Re: More rip off insurance crap
« Reply #2 on: 03 November, 2023, 09:48:23 am »
my car premium got jacked up because someone drive into the side of me.  I asked how that made me a higher risk driver when all costs were recovered via the MIB (uninsured driver). They couldn't really explain.
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Re: More rip off insurance crap
« Reply #3 on: 03 November, 2023, 09:58:34 am »
my car premium got jacked up because someone drive into the side of me.  I asked how that made me a higher risk driver when all costs were recovered via the MIB (uninsured driver). They couldn't really explain.

Actuarial tables innit. You've had an accident, therefore you're more likely to have accidents. It does make a kind of sense - you're driving / parking / whatever in a situation where accidents may occur, possibly because of your actions or lack thereof.

I'm still of the opinion that anything legally required like car insurance should be available from the state in it's basic form, and not left to the free market. Add-ons are them your choice.
We are making a New World (Paul Nash, 1918)

Re: More rip off insurance crap
« Reply #4 on: 03 November, 2023, 11:41:56 am »
Wife and I have car insurance that's just been renewed.  Last year's insurers put my premium up by 115%, and flatly refused to reduce it.  And that was before I fessed up to the fact that I'd been driving my wife's car when a badger decided to remodel the front bumper / foglight / wheel arch.  At which point the renewal quote went up by 215%.

Her renewal, because of the badger related claim / repair her insurers already knew about, had increased by a mere 180%

I'm still struggling with the concept that because I've hit a badger for the first time in 45 years of driving I'm suddenly a bigger insurance risk. Does the same 'logic' apply if you're struck by lightning?? I also object to the fact that it counts as an at fault accident because they apparently can't claim against the badger.  And that we are both being penalised, her because of the claim, and me because I was the schmuck behind the wheel.  I think they want to make it so financially punitive to make a claim that you don't bother.  But they still jack up your premium because you're obliged to tell them about an accident even when you've paid for the repair yourself.

Price comparison websites found us both (slightly) cheaper insurance elsewhere, through a broker we've never heard of and with similarly obscure insurers.  Praying we never have to make a claim.  We're still paying nearly £500 between us when last year it was £250. 

Think we might try the bricks and mortar insurance broker in town next year

Re: More rip off insurance crap
« Reply #5 on: 03 November, 2023, 12:32:40 pm »
my car premium got jacked up because someone drive into the side of me.  I asked how that made me a higher risk driver when all costs were recovered via the MIB (uninsured driver). They couldn't really explain.

It's just because.  Innit!

I can understand slightly the car insurance hikes and especially for newer vehicles where parts are still in short supply.  Cars are being written off because there is no feasible repair timescale which just increases the overall insurance cost.

If you have the skillz, time, a large lockup, a good array of tools and reasonable Google fu you could buy write-offs from Copart, find the parts from the many online vehicle breakers and fix them up yourself.

In reality the tsunami of insurance premium jacking will result 8n a backlash which the politicians will find themselves having to address with the industry.  I don't see this being a sustainable situation.

Re: More rip off insurance crap
« Reply #6 on: 03 November, 2023, 01:40:17 pm »
No one's ripping you off, it's an easy industry to moan about, nothing new there.  If you really think that's the case you could look at your insurers Net Combined Ratio (NCR), if you can't find it for your provider, the industry as a whole publishes it each year. That's the comparison between settlements and costs compared to premiums.  A couple of bumper years in the pandemic, followed by a loss last year, the ratio is never less than 9/10 usually 9.5+.  Those are the margins, that's the expected shared risk, your insurer is hoping to make 5% profit from combined premiums. That's not to say everyone is paying the right premium, just that it balances out.
Always worth shopping around or negotiating, but I'd be surprised if an independent broker could offer you something better than you could find for yourself. For non specialist policies they can't usually compete, their commission is greater than the insurers margin, that's why so many have disappeared.  Insurance is hugely profitable due to volume rather than margins, re-visit this in a years time and see the relationship between the premium hikes and profits.
You've already detailed the causes for the increases, so I'm surprised you weren't expecting it. I got an indication of the scale when I tried to hire a car last month.  The local branch of the national chain which is my first choice, had nothing available, half the fleet is out on longer term loan. 

Re: More rip off insurance crap
« Reply #7 on: 03 November, 2023, 01:43:06 pm »
If you have the skillz, time, a large lockup, a good array of tools and reasonable Google fu you could buy write-offs from Copart, find the parts from the many online vehicle breakers and fix them up yourself.
Unless it's an EV, I doubt there's many back street garages with the skills or knowledge to take the risk.