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CommuteTooFar

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The Winter Olympics 2022
« on: 02 February, 2022, 10:37:14 pm »
Early rounds of curling start overnight.

Jaded

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Re: The Winter Olympics 2022
« Reply #1 on: 02 February, 2022, 11:22:04 pm »
A team won in the Mixed Doubles

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Re: The Winter Olympics 2022
« Reply #2 on: 03 February, 2022, 10:34:15 am »
A team won in the Mixed Doubles

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give us a clue as to which of the Winter Olympic events the mixed doubles won in?

PS I thought the Winter Olympics hadn't started yet

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Re: The Winter Olympics 2022
« Reply #3 on: 03 February, 2022, 10:41:56 am »
I've just seen a photo of a speed skater and was struck by their helmet-free head.
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Re: The Winter Olympics 2022
« Reply #4 on: 03 February, 2022, 10:42:45 am »
I've just seen a photo of a speed skater and was struck by their helmet-free head.
Did it hurt?
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Re: The Winter Olympics 2022
« Reply #5 on: 03 February, 2022, 10:52:36 am »
I've just seen a photo of a speed skater and was struck by their helmet-free head.
Did it hurt?
Not as much as ice skate karate kick.
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Jaded

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Re: The Winter Olympics 2022
« Reply #6 on: 03 February, 2022, 11:10:26 am »
A team won in the Mixed Doubles

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give us a clue as to which of the Winter Olympic events the mixed doubles won in?

PS I thought the Winter Olympics hadn't started yet

Apologies - my post was in response to the post above, so I didn't put the sport in it...
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Re: The Winter Olympics 2022
« Reply #7 on: 03 February, 2022, 12:02:50 pm »
I've just seen a photo of a speed skater and was struck by their helmet-free head.
Did it hurt?
Not as much as ice skate karate kick.

Should’ve been wearing a helmet then!

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Re: The Winter Olympics 2022
« Reply #8 on: 03 February, 2022, 12:19:52 pm »
Karate on ice should absolutely be an Olympic sport. As should sumo on thin ice.
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Re: The Winter Olympics 2022
« Reply #9 on: 03 February, 2022, 12:49:35 pm »
A team won in the Mixed Doubles

(click to show/hide)

give us a clue as to which of the Winter Olympic events the mixed doubles won in?

PS I thought the Winter Olympics hadn't started yet

Apologies - my post was in response to the post above, so I didn't put the sport in it...

Also need to be clear that the curling starts with a round robin competition so no medals yet but for the Brits Scots  ;) to beat the Canadians is a good start.

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Re: The Winter Olympics 2022
« Reply #10 on: 03 February, 2022, 06:31:26 pm »
Karate on ice should absolutely be an Olympic sport. As should sumo on thin ice.

Ob-thread: https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7036.0

(Also it's companion https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=62048.0, to save people searching.)

Re: The Winter Olympics 2022
« Reply #11 on: 04 February, 2022, 08:23:09 am »
Kick boxing on ice.......anyone..... :demon:
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Re: The Winter Olympics 2022
« Reply #12 on: 04 February, 2022, 10:43:10 am »
Snowball fights.

Competitors given set period in which to make their snowballs, no equipment or gloves allowed.

headshot - 3 points
body/legs - 2 points

Blocking with arms permitted.
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Re: The Winter Olympics 2022
« Reply #13 on: 04 February, 2022, 11:50:16 am »
Snowball fights is a very versatile one, can be individual, pairs or teams, single-sex or mixed. Good idea MrC!

Artistic snowman building to follow up.
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Re: The Winter Olympics 2022
« Reply #14 on: 13 February, 2022, 01:39:46 pm »
I’m watching the mens curling with the British team seemingly showing the Danes how to play.

I’ve obviously watched it before, but the more I watch it the more I become aware of the nuances of the game there’s really quite a lot of strategy involved in the 8 stone game.
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Re: The Winter Olympics 2022
« Reply #15 on: 13 February, 2022, 03:09:48 pm »
Mono-bob. What? One;Eason in a two man bobsleigh which just looks wrong and that the brake person forgot to get on. As  a kit nerd, it seems to me there’s a missed opportunity to create something really high tech and a bit whacky instead of just using a two man bob. Very disappointing.

It’s the first time I’ve sat down and watched any of the Olympic coverage. Does it show 😁
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rogerzilla

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Re: The Winter Olympics 2022
« Reply #16 on: 13 February, 2022, 05:45:06 pm »
Speed skaters wear helmets according to risk, so 1-on-1 races don't need them but 4-up or relay races do.  A bit like CTT's formerly enlightened attitude.

Looking forward to 4-person bob, especially when someone gets left behind.

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Re: The Winter Olympics 2022
« Reply #17 on: 13 February, 2022, 10:27:44 pm »
With the monobobs I do have the impression that one of the reasons is to create a pool of experienced female pilots, so when mixed 4 is introduced the excuse 'but there are no experienced female pilots' doesn't count.

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Re: The Winter Olympics 2022
« Reply #18 on: 14 February, 2022, 08:27:34 am »
AIUI the main disincentive to mixed teams is that women are generally smaller and lighter.  You can make up the weight difference to the competition limit* with, er, weights but dead weight on the sled affects the handling worse than four heavy crew, and it's easier to push a light sled up to speed at the start.

*before there was a limit, 4-man bob teams were made up of the heaviest blokes they could find who could still squash into place
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Re: The Winter Olympics 2022
« Reply #19 on: 14 February, 2022, 04:55:58 pm »
Speed skaters wear helmets according to risk, so 1-on-1 races don't need them but 4-up or relay races do.  A bit like CTT's formerly enlightened attitude.

Risk and a lot of "we have always done it this way" dependent on which version. Given you mention relay racing you may have mixed the two disciplines (Long and Short track) but don't worry almost everyone does.

Short Track which has been PPE heavy (lids, shin guards and cut resistant suits and gloves) since it arrived, relatively recently, at the Olympics.

Long track has been around since the first winter Olympics and hasn't, they are only just coming in to comps with new events. Marathons (20 plus people starting together on the ice, first across the line wins) in the Netherlands (KNSB) were a no lids but Kevlar socks up until a few years ago.

As you say if you are running close to someone else ISU requires Short Track levels of PPE in both Short and Long track, but the Team sprint, pursuit and mass start and new to Long Track so the ISU can make these changes without too many questions.

In long track training, which is frequently in a pace line, despite it being a mostly individual sport, lids are uncommon for skaters at top or even medium level. Kids under about 10 use them more often, but they will loose them for individual comps.

Basically they are coming in to long track, but it is very early days at the moment. In short track they are totally normal and have been since I have known the sport.

Feel free to shift this to lift the lid if needs be.

Re: The Winter Olympics 2022
« Reply #20 on: 14 February, 2022, 09:12:25 pm »
When I started marathon speedskating back in the mid 90-ies, we weren't even wearing cut proof shinprotectors or cut proof gloves, resulting in occasional nasty cuts during mass crashes. About 10 years ago I stopped racing, shinprotectors were normal then, cut proof gloves fairly normal. Helmets only startet to be used in the last few years, long after I stopped.
Marathons have a higer risk, especially at lower categories, as you often race with two classes at the same time (one outer, one inner lane) and the protection at the non international level tracks can be a lot lower. I've seen (and felt) riders being launched over the boarding during mass crashes. Although I never raced with lids, I can understand the need for them in marathon speedskating.
Long track crashes are a lot less nasty as they usually only have 1 rider involved and you mostly tend to fall on your hip since you slide outwards in a corner.
Biggest risk in my experience was during training as the boarding often didn't use to be at top level. Even worse were the 'free hours' where you had people riding around having no clue about the traffic rules on the ice.

On a more audax note, back in the days, being juste a club skater with a mediocre technique I still managed decent results on regional level on the 10k. People were surpised that I broke the 'rules' regarding build up of a 10k race, going nearly flat out for 25 laps. They were also surpised to hear that I would participate in long audaxes during summer but never seemed to grasp the correlation between both. The new olympic 10k champion Niels van der Poel (Sweden) followed the same reasoning as I did but combined this with some serious technique and speed. Finally a 10k racer who really trains in summer!

rogerzilla

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Re: The Winter Olympics 2022
« Reply #21 on: 14 February, 2022, 09:47:16 pm »
That's really interesting, peterc.  FWIW, ice hockey helmets are primarily there to prevent penetration by the puck, sticks, other players' skates, etc, and not to prevent against concussion - at least, that's what it says in the bumf with Miss Z's Bauer helmet.

If I lived in the right country, I'd really like to try bobsleigh.  I am pretty good at drunken tobogganning, anyway.  Miss Z and I once managed the "black run" in the village after a long Sunday dinner and a bottle of wine.  No dabs, no extra pushes, right from the top of the village to the bottom including a winding footpath only as wide as the sledge, with a drop to a muddy bog on one side.  In the dark  ;D
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Re: The Winter Olympics 2022
« Reply #22 on: 15 February, 2022, 12:05:04 am »
The new olympic 10k champion Niels van der Poel (Sweden) followed the same reasoning as I did but combined this with some serious technique and speed. Finally a 10k racer who really trains in summer!

Hi Ivo, great to hear of another (proper) speed skater on here, the Fen Lads would be happy to hear of another marathon skater.

Niels has just published a long PDF on his training if you are interested. https://howtoskate.se

Re: The Winter Olympics 2022
« Reply #23 on: 15 February, 2022, 12:13:24 am »
If I lived in the right country, I'd really like to try bobsleigh.
I like hockey lids as they seem to last more than one hit, speed skating lids are basically standard cycling fair with the air holes filled in to slow blade ingress. ("Road aero" before that was a thing)

I saw my first bob run in Innsbruk, there was a World Cup round while I was there for a long track race, I was amazed how rough the ice looked and how brutal the ride looked. Since listening to a few Bob/Skeleton podcasts and a Vox youtube I think I'm glad I'm in the comparative safety of speed skating, it turns out there is a condition called Sled Head made up of micro concussions that may Not Be A Good Thing™

Re: The Winter Olympics 2022
« Reply #24 on: 15 February, 2022, 08:32:38 am »
The new olympic 10k champion Niels van der Poel (Sweden) followed the same reasoning as I did but combined this with some serious technique and speed. Finally a 10k racer who really trains in summer!

Hi Ivo, great to hear of another (proper) speed skater on here, the Fen Lads would be happy to hear of another marathon skater.

Niels has just published a long PDF on his training if you are interested. https://howtoskate.se

Well, my racing days are long since over, I quit racing some 10 years ago.
I used to be more of a 10k specialist dabbling in the occasional 24hour race. With 16h07 I had a respectable time in 2004 but some 3 minutes slower than the top riders of that era. Riding in the Netherlands gave a lot of opportunities but also a huge amount of competition.