Author Topic: Spelling that makes you cringe  (Read 173024 times)

Kim

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Re: Spelling that makes you cringe
« Reply #1150 on: 18 December, 2022, 04:40:54 pm »
There are times when I'm required to write in Leftpondian and get caught out by the words that don't use -ize for -ise, like advertisement. I think the UK/US distinction has only become so definitive relatively recently and many people apply it overly rigidly, leading to mistakes like metre for meter.

Absolutely. Ize is the traditional, old-school, Shakespeare and Dickens, still-found-in-the-OED-as-preferred formation. Ise is the Johnny-come-lately variant, based on an incorrect assumption of a French derivation. Ize was in The Times' editorial style guide as the 'correct' form until about 30 years ago.

I blame spillchuckers written by USAnian software companies, though they've got better at accepting -ize when set to BRITISH English in recent years.  Which isn't necessarily helpful when you're trying to make things consistent, but there you go.

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Re: Spelling that makes you cringe
« Reply #1151 on: 18 December, 2022, 04:43:12 pm »
I think -ize is still used by Penguin.

There are times when I'm required to write in Leftpondian and get caught out by the words that don't use -ize for -ise, like advertisement.

Interestingly, that's the one that I get caught out by too.  Somehow I'm mostly able to think of a Color as being a different thing to a colour, and never confuse a [floppy] disk with a [compact] disc or a [computer] program with a [television] programme.  But my BRANE still insists that a StringTokeniser should be a thing.

I've recently been working on adding features to CrossMgr, and have just about got the hang of 'License' as a noun.
The -or vs -our endings are so well known as to not be a problem, but to remind myself which is US v UK of disk v disc, I have to go via sceptic/skeptic and explaining to Polish students that not only do Americans pronounce it with a hard 'k' they even spell it that way (because the Polish cognate sceptyczny is all sibillants they were convinced that at least one variety of English must pronounce it that way too).
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Re: Spelling that makes you cringe
« Reply #1152 on: 18 December, 2022, 04:49:49 pm »
Should that be sibillant or sibilant? Have I thought that if it's sibilant in Leftpondian it must be sibillant in Rightpondian? Cringetastic!
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Kim

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Re: Spelling that makes you cringe
« Reply #1153 on: 18 December, 2022, 04:57:50 pm »
I think -ize is still used by Penguin.

There are times when I'm required to write in Leftpondian and get caught out by the words that don't use -ize for -ise, like advertisement.

Interestingly, that's the one that I get caught out by too.  Somehow I'm mostly able to think of a Color as being a different thing to a colour, and never confuse a [floppy] disk with a [compact] disc or a [computer] program with a [television] programme.  But my BRANE still insists that a StringTokeniser should be a thing.

I've recently been working on adding features to CrossMgr, and have just about got the hang of 'License' as a noun.
The -or vs -our endings are so well known as to not be a problem, but to remind myself which is US v UK of disk v disc, I have to go via sceptic/skeptic and explaining to Polish students that not only do Americans pronounce it with a hard 'k' they even spell it that way (because the Polish cognate sceptyczny is all sibillants they were convinced that at least one variety of English must pronounce it that way too).

In BRITISH English 'disk' is often considered short for diskette[1], which is both easy to remember, and clearly etymologically wrong if you give the history of the technologies involved a moment's consideration.


[1] An archaic term for a floppy disk, and not a troupe of dancing girls responsible for swapping disk packs on 1960s mainframes.

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Re: Spelling that makes you cringe
« Reply #1154 on: 18 December, 2022, 05:07:23 pm »
I think -ize is still used by Penguin.

There are times when I'm required to write in Leftpondian and get caught out by the words that don't use -ize for -ise, like advertisement.

Interestingly, that's the one that I get caught out by too.  Somehow I'm mostly able to think of a Color as being a different thing to a colour, and never confuse a [floppy] disk with a [compact] disc or a [computer] program with a [television] programme.  But my BRANE still insists that a StringTokeniser should be a thing.

I've recently been working on adding features to CrossMgr, and have just about got the hang of 'License' as a noun.
The -or vs -our endings are so well known as to not be a problem, but to remind myself which is US v UK of disk v disc, I have to go via sceptic/skeptic and explaining to Polish students that not only do Americans pronounce it with a hard 'k' they even spell it that way (because the Polish cognate sceptyczny is all sibillants they were convinced that at least one variety of English must pronounce it that way too).

In BRITISH English 'disk' is often considered short for diskette[1], which is both easy to remember, and clearly etymologically wrong if you give the history of the technologies involved a moment's consideration.


[1] An archaic term for a floppy disk, and not a troupe of dancing girls responsible for swapping disk packs on 1960s mainframes.
"So, what's a nice girl like you doing in a place like this?"
"Oh, I'm a diskette. In fact I'm one of Panasonic's People*."

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Re: Spelling that makes you cringe
« Reply #1155 on: 27 December, 2022, 11:50:32 pm »

Re: Spelling that makes you cringe
« Reply #1156 on: 28 December, 2022, 10:19:41 am »
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Re: Spelling that makes you cringe
« Reply #1157 on: 01 January, 2023, 01:16:20 pm »

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Re: Spelling that makes you cringe
« Reply #1158 on: 01 January, 2023, 02:34:45 pm »
Grrrrrr!
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Re: Spelling that makes you cringe
« Reply #1159 on: 01 January, 2023, 04:38:37 pm »
From the archives...

Brian of Britain

Sir - When Robert Robinson took over as host of the BBC Radio 4 quiz Brain of Britain in 1973, he was overjoyed to discover that, due to a typo on his contract, he was to chair something called Brian of Britain. From that moment on, the quiz was always referred to as Brian and the contestant­s known as Brians (Letters, September 17).

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Re: Spelling that makes you cringe
« Reply #1160 on: 01 January, 2023, 09:06:49 pm »
I've got the best spellchecker. It's second to nine.

Giraffe

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Re: Spelling that makes you cringe
« Reply #1161 on: 02 January, 2023, 05:43:38 pm »
Mine's batter - it's seven of nine (bigger tights).
2x4: thick plank; 4x4: 2 of 'em.

Re: Spelling that makes you cringe
« Reply #1162 on: 03 January, 2023, 07:01:50 am »
There are times when I'm required to write in Leftpondian and get caught out by the words that don't use -ize for -ise, like advertisement. I think the UK/US distinction has only become so definitive relatively recently and many people apply it overly rigidly, leading to mistakes like metre for meter.

ah, but the distinction is made clear when pronounced (separate thread, I know) = ad-VERT-ise-ment versus ad-ver-TISE-ment

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Re: Spelling that makes you cringe
« Reply #1163 on: 03 January, 2023, 11:46:28 am »
Traditionally yes, but I think that particular distinction is wearing away.
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Re: Spelling that makes you cringe
« Reply #1164 on: 09 February, 2023, 12:32:44 am »


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Re: Spelling that makes you cringe
« Reply #1165 on: 09 February, 2023, 08:51:22 am »
That is very embarrassing.
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Pingu

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Re: Spelling that makes you cringe
« Reply #1166 on: 09 February, 2023, 09:03:33 am »
I hope they got the bok thrown at them.

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Re: Spelling that makes you cringe
« Reply #1167 on: 10 February, 2023, 07:25:54 pm »
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It doesn't taste too much of Pete.

Well thank dog for that.   :sick:
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Re: Spelling that makes you cringe
« Reply #1168 on: 22 April, 2023, 04:22:01 pm »
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Re: Spelling that makes you cringe
« Reply #1169 on: 10 May, 2023, 08:47:31 pm »


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Re: Spelling that makes you cringe
« Reply #1170 on: 11 May, 2023, 08:40:59 pm »
Ooof!


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Re: Spelling that makes you cringe
« Reply #1171 on: 11 May, 2023, 08:55:32 pm »
Ventnor?  I think it's meant to be like that.
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Re: Spelling that makes you cringe
« Reply #1172 on: 11 May, 2023, 09:01:56 pm »
There is a place in NZ called Feilding (pronounced Fielding) so maybe it’s an archaic spelling or summat like that.

Re: Spelling that makes you cringe
« Reply #1173 on: 11 May, 2023, 09:15:23 pm »
I before E except when it's not. It can be tricky. My mate at school, Pete Friend, once failed an exam by spelling his own name wrong.
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Re: Spelling that makes you cringe
« Reply #1174 on: 11 May, 2023, 10:56:20 pm »
Know a chap yclept “Friend Wood”, whose first name is pronounced “Free-End”.  Mr Zuckerberg's Walled Garden, natch, wouldn’t let him use his real name so he re-monikered himself “Frank Costin” :demon:
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