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Title: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: mcshroom on 05 July, 2015, 03:36:36 pm
Well this is more interesting than I expected for a pan flat stage! :)
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015
Post by: mcshroom on 05 July, 2015, 04:28:25 pm
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Title: Re: Tour de France 2015
Post by: Mr Larrington on 05 July, 2015, 04:37:30 pm
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Also, too many "spoiler" tags will render the thread almost unreadable so perhaps people who are waiting for the highlights should refrain from reading this until they know the outcome...
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015
Post by: woollypigs on 05 July, 2015, 04:59:02 pm
Along with twitface, news and friends. Just stick fingers into your ears go lalalalalalalala while digging a hole to hide in.

Anywhoooo, I'm looking forward to see the highlights even if I saw who did what now.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015
Post by: Vince on 05 July, 2015, 05:13:59 pm
The intermediate sprint in Rotterdam was one block (and a harbour basin) from where I used to live.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015
Post by: Ivo on 05 July, 2015, 06:11:45 pm
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Also, too many "spoiler" tags will render the thread almost unreadable so perhaps people who are waiting for the highlights should refrain from reading this until they know the outcome...

Indeed a very bad show by Cav. This might cost him dearly later on, he'll need Martin to keep the bunch togehter.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015
Post by: Canardly on 05 July, 2015, 06:22:03 pm
Cav lost the plot a bit. The team bus must be a fun place tonight.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015
Post by: TimC on 05 July, 2015, 06:24:05 pm
Petulance is never attractive! And rarely brings anything good.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015
Post by: mcshroom on 05 July, 2015, 06:26:12 pm
Cav's response on Facebook: -
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Look at this photo. If I could hang on for 3rd, I could hang on for the win... Some imbeciles think cycling is a computer game. Problem is, social media & TV are platforms for them to be heard. Gutted for Tony Martin. Congratulations Andre Greipel.
https://www.facebook.com/OfficialMarkCavendish/photos/a.614684375235031.1073741828.123161697720637/855486084488191/?type=1&theater

Sorry I don't buy it. No he wasn't going to win, but he sat up IMHO watching the replays.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015
Post by: bobb on 05 July, 2015, 06:49:25 pm
Cav looked to go way too early. Now he's got the bollock ache with everybody as usual  :P

Also, too many "spoiler" tags will render the thread almost unreadable...

Indeed, I believe it is customary to haver the thread title as "Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)", then do away with spoiler tags within. Anyone doing a Likely Lads would be very stupid indeed to then enter the thread...

Title: Re: Tour de France 2015
Post by: David Martin on 05 July, 2015, 06:59:29 pm
EQS had spent much of the race riding hard (cf Lotto who did the minimum necessary). Then it was Renshaw who took Cav up to the front early, died on his feet dropping Cav off early. Cav had no choice but to go, giving Greipel a perfect lead out.
Sprinting isn't about who can go fastest, but who dies least quickly. Cav died 30m too early and when the legs go, they are gone. It wasn't sitting up but there was nothing left to give.

Cav made the best of a bad job, the fault was Renshaw's and Lotto getting essentially a free ride.

Title: Re: Tour de France 2015
Post by: Pingu on 05 July, 2015, 08:06:34 pm
This is what they want  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Ian123 on 05 July, 2015, 08:43:47 pm
Cav needed more team mates there at the end to help Renshaw lead him out a train doesn't normally have two carriages
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Ivo on 05 July, 2015, 08:59:09 pm
Cav needed more team mates there at the end to help Renshaw lead him out a train doesn't normally have two carriages

There were only about 25 riders in the first group. Having two teammates is already a lot in such a situation.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: TimC on 05 July, 2015, 09:11:06 pm
Cav and Renshaw were ideally placed behind Greipel and his lead-out guy at 300m. For some bizarre reason, instead of staying there and launching from behind them at a normal place, Mark went early. The move was doomed from that moment. But Cav still sat up early, letting Spartacus in for the Yellow and denying it to Martin. Cav is very good at keeping all these stats in his head; he will be well pissed off with himself that it went against Tony even if he can justify to himself why he lost the sprint.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: David Martin on 05 July, 2015, 09:13:51 pm
Which Mark are you talking about? Cav would sense that Renshaw was fading, and realise he has to go, or freelance something else. It was Renshaw's move round the line at about 500 to go that lost it - I was thinking 'Why is he moving up so early?' and with the headwind it was about 30m too soon.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Canardly on 05 July, 2015, 09:27:35 pm
By easing off at the line when he saw he was not going to win, Cav gave away a 4 seconds bonus which would have given Martin the jersey. Or at least that is the way it looked on TV.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Veloman on 05 July, 2015, 11:00:22 pm
Reported comments from Cavendish on BBC Sport:

"The day Cancellara beats me in a sprint I've gone too long. I've gassed it," Cavendish said.

"I think Mark [Renshaw] went too early and kind of left me hanging. We died. It's disappointing, Tony's disappointed."


Debate over.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 05 July, 2015, 11:10:46 pm
Sport happens.

Hindsight is 20/20 or better, but BMC must be wondering if it would have been worth taking the long view with regard to Van Garderen's GC chances, accepting that Dennis was going to lose the race lead and put more time into Quintana, Nibbles and Rodriguez by helping EQS drive the break. I know they weren't obliged to help the break on account of Dennis being the wrong side of the split but still...
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Pingu on 05 July, 2015, 11:20:56 pm
BONG! Sometimes experienced people get things wrong.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: TimC on 05 July, 2015, 11:41:59 pm
Reported comments from Cavendish on BBC Sport:

"The day Cancellara beats me in a sprint I've gone too long. I've gassed it," Cavendish said.

"I think Mark [Renshaw] went too early and kind of left me hanging. We died. It's disappointing, Tony's disappointed."


Debate over.

Yes, quite. It's unfair of me to criticise - I'm never going to be placed in that position! It's more of a commentary than a criticism, anyway. They went too early, and if they hadn't it's highly likely that Cav would have won the stage. (Ok, statement of the bleeding obvious!). The shame is that if Cav had just stayed on the power a second longer, and I'm sure he could have done, then Tony Martin would be wearing yellow and Cav would have had a rock-solid ally for the rest of the race. Now, maybe not so much...
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: bobb on 06 July, 2015, 08:33:40 am
Tony Martin would be wearing yellow and Cav would have had a rock-solid ally for the rest of the race.

He will still have a rock solid ally! Tony is way too professional to let something like that alter his commitment to the team and Cav. They'll just put it down as "one of those things" and move on...
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: TimC on 06 July, 2015, 12:10:27 pm
I hope you're right, bobb. And I'm sure Cav is annoyed with himself, looking back on it. I'm sure they'll sort it out.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Ruthie on 06 July, 2015, 03:00:29 pm
Carnage out there today.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Veloman on 06 July, 2015, 03:12:31 pm
Regards yesterday, TM was relying totally on the results of other riders in order for him to wear yellow.  FC made it happen by his own efforts and fully deserved to be in yellow.

Just watching live and oh my goodness.  Pretty grim.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Ham on 06 July, 2015, 03:16:13 pm
Some of them look like they've dressed for the zombie walk now. Yikes.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 06 July, 2015, 03:18:13 pm
 :o
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Ruthie on 06 July, 2015, 03:18:27 pm
Wheel touching at that speed - eep.   :(

Spectacular footage there, it'll make it to the series highlights I reckon!
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 06 July, 2015, 03:19:26 pm
I'm not going to get a chance to watch any of this, so please post info away, I'm relying on you guys to keep me in touch!
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Veloman on 06 July, 2015, 03:29:20 pm
Get updates:

http://www.letour.com/le-tour/2015/us/live/aso/ (http://www.letour.com/le-tour/2015/us/live/aso/)
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: sg37409 on 06 July, 2015, 03:52:42 pm
What are the bits sticking out from the back of the saddles on many bikes ?
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Veloman on 06 July, 2015, 03:54:35 pm
^^^^

Data collection/transmission for each rider.

More info you never knew you needed!
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Ruthie on 06 July, 2015, 04:10:50 pm
The Cofidis kit is the nicest.  Today, anyway.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Ham on 06 July, 2015, 04:15:45 pm
Tinkle sexy gets my thumbs down
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: mcshroom on 06 July, 2015, 04:17:45 pm
Maybe a bit boring, but I like Lotto-Soudal and Europcar. Movistar is probably my favourite though. AG2R - brown shorts - why?
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 06 July, 2015, 05:11:16 pm
MTN-Qhubeka need to swap out the logos on the chest of their jersey for a Newcastle Brown Ale label. ;D
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: bobb on 06 July, 2015, 05:12:27 pm
AG2R - brown shorts - why?

They're bronze  :P

I actually quite like it  :-[
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Ruthie on 06 July, 2015, 05:13:12 pm
Maybe a bit boring, but I like Lotto-Soudal and Europcar. Movistar is probably my favourite though. AG2R - brown shorts - why?

They're bronze  :P

I actually quite like it  :-[

Ugh, no.  Not only horrible - but also transparent.  There's just no need.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: T42 on 06 July, 2015, 05:27:45 pm
Yellow jersey's a poison pill this early on.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Veloman on 06 July, 2015, 05:33:57 pm
The wearer did say he would rather be wearing it than chasing his opponents wearing it.

Even if he was not wearing it and was ahead time-wise, he could expect constant attacks anyway, so might as well benefit from having his team car in pole position and letting other teams chase breakaways.  I also believe a previous winner quite recently tool the yellow early on and ended wearing it at the end.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: David Martin on 06 July, 2015, 07:32:37 pm
The shame is that if Cav had just stayed on the power a second longer, and I'm sure he could have done, then Tony Martin would be wearing yellow and Cav would have had a rock-solid ally for the rest of the race. Now, maybe not so much...

Have you actually done any flat out sprint finishes in a race? You don't sit up unless the legs have gone, and when the legs go they just stop. End of. There is no magic 'extra second'. Each of those sprints damages the legs, it's like running an unlimited engine till it pops.

When Cav sat up it was barely a few of bike lengths to go  the difference would not have been sufficient to hold off Cancellara
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Pingu on 06 July, 2015, 08:02:30 pm
This is what they want  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: red marley on 06 July, 2015, 08:31:09 pm
The aftermath of today's big crash from the perspective of a (polyglot) mechanic on the ground.

http://youtu.be/7raIxrzodt4

Sometimes, seeing these crashes from a distant helicopter shot, it's easy to forget these are fragile human beings hitting hard ground at 60km/h.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: TheLurker on 06 July, 2015, 08:48:16 pm
I was hoping, irrational I know, that this year we might not have any really nasty crashes.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: mcshroom on 06 July, 2015, 08:52:48 pm
Spartacus is out. Broken vertebrae. :(

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Just left the hospital with a huge disappointment #TDF2015 is over broke some bones on my back again as in spring. #L3/L4right side
https://twitter.com/f_cancellara/status/618135375576461312
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Canardly on 06 July, 2015, 08:53:56 pm
 >:(
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Si_Co on 06 July, 2015, 08:57:02 pm
Yellow jersey's a poison pill this early on.

Be interesting to see if Sky try and defend it, I suspect they will
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: TimC on 06 July, 2015, 08:57:24 pm
The shame is that if Cav had just stayed on the power a second longer, and I'm sure he could have done, then Tony Martin would be wearing yellow and Cav would have had a rock-solid ally for the rest of the race. Now, maybe not so much...

Have you actually done any flat out sprint finishes in a race? You don't sit up unless the legs have gone, and when the legs go they just stop. End of. There is no magic 'extra second'. Each of those sprints damages the legs, it's like running an unlimited engine till it pops.

When Cav sat up it was barely a few of bike lengths to go  the difference would not have been sufficient to hold off Cancellara

It might have been more fair if you'd quoted my entire post, david, in which I said (in reply to Veloman):

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Yes, quite. It's unfair of me to criticise - I'm never going to be placed in that position! It's more of a commentary than a criticism, anyway.

Patently I have not done any flat out sprints in a race; I try and avoid doing anything flat-out! However, I am able to watch and understand cycle racing, and to attempt an analysis of what happened. I don't think my comment was misplaced - it would appear to have been similar to what was said by no less than Cav's DS! As VM said, they'll get over it and it will disappear into the fog of war. I just think it was a shame for both Cav and Tony Martin that it didn't turn out better. And today's events rather overshadow it already!
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: woollypigs on 06 July, 2015, 08:57:59 pm
The aftermath of today's big crash from the perspective of a (polyglot) mechanic on the ground.

http://youtu.be/7raIxrzodt4

Sometimes, seeing these crashes from a distant helicopter shot, it's easy to forget these are fragile human beings hitting hard ground at 60km/h.
Jo thanks for that link, that is chaos!
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: TimC on 06 July, 2015, 08:58:18 pm
Spartacus is out. Broken vertebrae. :(

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Just left the hospital with a huge disappointment #TDF2015 is over broke some bones on my back again as in spring. #L3/L4right side
https://twitter.com/f_cancellara/status/618135375576461312

Bugger. What a bloody shame.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: andrew_s on 06 July, 2015, 09:50:38 pm
What are the bits sticking out from the back of the saddles on many bikes ?
GPS transponders, so that the commentators (and teams) can tell where all the bikes are, with who's in the breakaways and accurate time gaps
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Pingu on 06 July, 2015, 10:23:56 pm
The aftermath of today's big crash from the perspective of a (polyglot) mechanic on the ground.

http://youtu.be/7raIxrzodt4

Sometimes, seeing these crashes from a distant helicopter shot, it's easy to forget these are fragile human beings hitting hard ground at 60km/h.
Jo thanks for that link, that is chaos!

+1

The mechanics are unsung heroes of a team sport.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Veloman on 06 July, 2015, 11:11:41 pm
Spartacus is out. Broken vertebrae. :(

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Just left the hospital with a huge disappointment #TDF2015 is over broke some bones on my back again as in spring. #L3/L4right side
https://twitter.com/f_cancellara/status/618135375576461312

Bugger. What a bloody shame.

+1 to that comment Tim.

An absolute professional in every sense of the word and a lousy way to both lose yellow and exit the race.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Ruthie on 06 July, 2015, 11:12:59 pm
Oh, that's nasty.  A real shame. 
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 06 July, 2015, 11:31:59 pm
Laurens Ten Dam had his dislocated shoulder popped back in and carried on - against doctor's orders. Mind you, he needed a little bit of assistance at dinner...

https://twitter.com/RGUpdate/status/618149446589751296
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Ivo on 07 July, 2015, 07:07:05 am
Laurens Ten Dam had his dislocated shoulder popped back in and carried on - against doctor's orders. Mind you, he needed a little bit of assistance at dinner...

https://twitter.com/RGUpdate/status/618149446589751296

His DS had already put his bike on top of the team car and reported an abandon. Laurens refused this and requested a bike. He announced yesterday evening that he wants to go flat out on the cobbles today.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Nuncio on 07 July, 2015, 07:39:13 am
Yellow jersey's a poison pill this early on.
But it will probably only be for a day.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 07 July, 2015, 08:45:29 am
Laurens Ten Dam had his dislocated shoulder popped back in and carried on - against doctor's orders. Mind you, he needed a little bit of assistance at dinner...

https://twitter.com/RGUpdate/status/618149446589751296
What's harder than Bruce Willis dying hard?

TDF riders!
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: LEE on 07 July, 2015, 10:51:57 am
Good Grief!  Chris Froome can spin up hills can't he?  He's like a bloody egg-whisk on steep climbs.

I wonder what his cadence was on the final 1km yesterday.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: LEE on 07 July, 2015, 10:57:10 am
Laurens Ten Dam had his dislocated shoulder popped back in and carried on - against doctor's orders. Mind you, he needed a little bit of assistance at dinner...

https://twitter.com/RGUpdate/status/618149446589751296

It appears that his Twitter feed is being encrypted

Also his surname appears to be an anagram of Tandem, maybe that's a hint about how to carry on.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Vince on 07 July, 2015, 10:59:54 am
You don't speak Dutch?
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: T42 on 07 July, 2015, 11:05:30 am
The wearer did say he would rather be wearing it than chasing his opponents wearing it.

Even if he was not wearing it and was ahead time-wise, he could expect constant attacks anyway, so might as well benefit from having his team car in pole position and letting other teams chase breakaways.  I also believe a previous winner quite recently tool the yellow early on and ended wearing it at the end.

Yup, and appeared on Oprah a few years later.  Oh, wait, recently...

Point taken re Froome & attacks.  Someone more lowly who took it would be heading for trouble.

Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Veloman on 07 July, 2015, 11:11:19 am
Yup, and appeared on Oprah a few years later.  Oh, wait, recently...

I was thinking of Nibali last year.

Brailsford has commented that positioning of following vehicles is pretty important today over the pave and he is very happy for the team to have the yellow jumper.

Day 4 and so far a different wearer of the yellow jumper each day.  Let us what happens today!
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 07 July, 2015, 12:10:27 pm
Good Grief!  Chris Froome can spin up hills can't he?

That's what drugs do for you.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 07 July, 2015, 12:31:33 pm
Yup, and appeared on Oprah a few years later.  Oh, wait, recently...

I was thinking of Nibali last year.

Brailsford has commented that positioning of following vehicles is pretty important today over the pave and he is very happy for the team to have the yellow jumper.

Day 4 and so far a different wearer of the yellow jumper each day.  Let us what happens today!

Or "yellow tunic", as Pinky and smegging Perky on ITV4 seem to have renamed it >:(
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Nuncio on 07 July, 2015, 01:23:50 pm
I thought that the gap to Froome looked more than a second but apparently it was 0.07 secs within the time (1 second, I assume) for which gaps are counted.  So that's the margin by which Tony Martin missed out on the Yellow tunic for a second consecutive day. I don't think he's ever worn it, has he, never having won the prologue/first stage?
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 07 July, 2015, 01:34:30 pm
Good Grief!  Chris Froome can spin up hills can't he?

That's what drugs do for you.
And I thought Australians were the worst for tall poppy syndrome.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: D.A.L.E. on 07 July, 2015, 01:53:48 pm
Good Grief!  Chris Froome can spin up hills can't he?

That's what drugs do for you.
And I thought Australians were the worst for tall poppy syndrome.

Speaking of Australians, remember when noted climber Simon Gerrans dropped him on a similar climb?

It's not tall poppy syndrome at all. If any rider from any other team had improved as much as he has, you'd never hear the end of it.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 07 July, 2015, 02:05:01 pm
Good Grief!  Chris Froome can spin up hills can't he?

That's what drugs do for you.
And I thought Australians were the worst for tall poppy syndrome.

Speaking of Australians, remember when noted climber Simon Gerrans dropped him on a similar climb?

It's not tall poppy syndrome at all. If any rider from any other team had improved as much as he has, you'd never hear the end of it.
That is *exactly* what tall poppy syndrome is!

"Rider x has improved a lot, must be taking drugs".
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 07 July, 2015, 02:43:16 pm
I notice that Quemeneur is using crosstop brake levers today.  What's that all about, eh?
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Karla on 07 July, 2015, 04:45:50 pm
Der Panzerwagen gewinnt!
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Veloman on 07 July, 2015, 04:48:59 pm
What a fantastic stage and what a fantastic result!
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 07 July, 2015, 04:49:20 pm
This is a song about a superhero named Tony!
</Pixies>
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 07 July, 2015, 05:10:21 pm
Good result - now Pinky & Perky can STFU about Martin just missing out on the 'yellow tunic'. :demon:
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Post by: TimC on 07 July, 2015, 07:56:34 pm
Brilliant stage! I bet we get some fabulous pictures from the photogs around the cobbled stretches.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Nuncio on 07 July, 2015, 10:16:36 pm
Allez Tony. Come on Tony. Ride Tony. Si! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7BCSpRasAU)
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Ham on 07 July, 2015, 10:21:36 pm
Frightening inattention!
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: red marley on 07 July, 2015, 10:21:44 pm
You know how we're always going on about drivers who use their mobiles and risk being distracted...


Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 07 July, 2015, 10:34:35 pm
The Mavic service car made a noble attempt at putting a couple of riders into the scenery on the outside of a roundabout this afternoon.

Also I thought Didi Senff had hung up his trident but there was a very convincing lookalike at the roadside about 24 km from the finish today.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Veloman on 07 July, 2015, 10:46:39 pm
Allez Tony. Come on Tony. Ride Tony. Si! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7BCSpRasAU)

Just brilliant and you get to see what it really means to everyone involved.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Katie on 07 July, 2015, 10:58:35 pm
Spartacus is out. Broken vertebrae. :(

Quote
Just left the hospital with a huge disappointment #TDF2015 is over broke some bones on my back again as in spring. #L3/L4right side
https://twitter.com/f_cancellara/status/618135375576461312

Bugger. What a bloody shame.

+1 to that comment Tim.

An absolute professional in every sense of the word and a lousy way to both lose yellow and exit the race.

Had managed to miss that he wasn't there today :(

Anyone else getting utterly confused by whichever team it is wearing jerseys almost identical in colour to the maillot jaune?
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: woollypigs on 07 July, 2015, 11:00:19 pm
Allez Tony. Come on Tony. Ride Tony. Si! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7BCSpRasAU)

Just brilliant and you get to see what it really means to everyone involved.
Fecking scary though, not many eyes on the road or hands on the wheel.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Veloman on 07 July, 2015, 11:02:25 pm
^^^^^  The commentators!  They are tending to rely on team mates around the yellow jumper for identification purposes judging by the commentary.

(Response to tajasel)
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Katie on 07 July, 2015, 11:08:37 pm
^^^^^  The commentators!  They are tending to rely on team mates around the yellow jumper for identification purposes judging by the commentary.

(Response to tajasel)

Heh, yeah, I had noticed that, I figure they've got a lot more to concentrate on than I have, though …
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: mcshroom on 07 July, 2015, 11:48:16 pm
Lotto-Jumbo in yellow are confusing. So's having two different Lotto teams in the race
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Katie on 07 July, 2015, 11:56:34 pm
L-J are the ones I was thinking of, yup.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Andrew Br on 08 July, 2015, 12:10:00 am
Will Nick Freeman produce this video in court next time he's defending a driver who's killed a cyclist whilst using her/his mobile ?
"But this is what they do in the world's biggest cycling event so it must be OK."
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Post by: αdαmsκι on 08 July, 2015, 07:12:24 am
I bet we get some fabulous pictures from the photogs around the cobbled stretches.

Team Sky have put together this gallery: http://po.st/St4TDFPics
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Post by: Nuncio on 08 July, 2015, 07:22:35 am
Lotto-Jumbo in yellow are confusing. So's having two different Lotto teams in the race

It's easy. Just remember - 'Red Lotto, yellow Lotto, red Lotto, yellow Lotto'.
I hope that helps.
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Post by: Dibdib on 08 July, 2015, 07:28:43 am
Lotto-Jumbo are in a largely white-shouldered Jersey for the tour, while Tinkoff-Saxo are in their (vomit-inducing) grey/green camo abomination:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGj8Oq5UkAAJrcP.jpg)

I still think the Tinkoff kit is far too yellow, but obviously Oleg has put his foot down...
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Post by: red marley on 08 July, 2015, 07:50:24 am
Team Sky have put together this gallery: http://po.st/St4TDFPics

Good to see that Chris is still spending much of the tour looking at stems (http://chrisfroomelookingatstems.tumblr.com)
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Post by: mcshroom on 08 July, 2015, 10:00:18 am
Lotto-Jumbo are in a largely white-shouldered Jersey for the tour, while Tinkoff-Saxo are in their (vomit-inducing) grey/green camo abomination:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGj8Oq5UkAAJrcP.jpg)

I still think the Tinkoff kit is far too yellow, but obviously Oleg has put his foot down...

L-J do have lots of white on the kit, but in the peleton they look very like the yellow jersey. Yesterday when they were all up front for the cobbles I was relying on the black/blue sky logo square on Froome's kit to pick him out some times.

For some reason the Tinkoff-Saxo kit is easier to tell from the YJ. I think it's because they went for fluorescent yellow to partner their grey camo stripes. Still a rubbish kit though IMHO.
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Post by: Si_Co on 08 July, 2015, 10:05:08 am
To the colour blind amongst us, half the peleton is seemingly leading the GC this year
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Post by: trekker12 on 08 July, 2015, 10:11:46 am
The Lotto jersey is also pretty much yellow across the back so with the helicopter shots it is not easy to tell.

I'm sure historically it wasn't allowed. Seaco (IIRC) used to wear yellow all season and change to red or pink for the tour.

Modern marketing companies presumably don't like changing from their corporate colours for the sake of history!
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Post by: T42 on 08 July, 2015, 10:34:47 am
Allez Tony. Come on Tony. Ride Tony. Si! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7BCSpRasAU)

Just brilliant and you get to see what it really means to everyone involved.
Fecking scary though, not many eyes on the road or hands on the wheel.

Nice bit of knee-steering there.
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Post by: mattc on 08 July, 2015, 10:35:48 am
Team Sky have put together this gallery: http://po.st/St4TDFPics

Good to see that Chris is still spending much of the tour looking at stems (http://chrisfroomelookingatstems.tumblr.com)
To be fair to Froome, I didnt see him look at his stem once on the pave. (whereas on every road stage he looks down more than he looks ahead.)

I may have missed a moment, but I'm just reporting my sample.
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Post by: T42 on 08 July, 2015, 10:36:30 am
The Lotto jersey is also pretty much yellow across the back so with the helicopter shots it is not easy to tell.

I'm sure historically it wasn't allowed. Seaco (IIRC) used to wear yellow all season and change to red or pink for the tour.

Modern marketing companies presumably don't like changing from their corporate colours for the sake of history!

Do it like Wimbledon and make 'em all wear white.
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Post by: LEE on 08 July, 2015, 11:04:35 am
Is Froome staring at a power meter?

Anyway, barring accidents he looks in good shape.  Contador couldn't live with him on the short/steep climb yesterday, in fact Contador couldn't live with several riders on that climb, he was going backwards.  Perhaps some of that special steak may help.

Of course "Barring accidents" is tempting fate a little as Froome seems to get caught up in them too frequently.  He was getting bounced around yesterday.  He seems to lack the ability of some others to glide through gaps without "tagging" someone or being "tagged" himself.  Maybe it's his sticky-out elbows. 

I told my kids off for sticking their elbows out like that at the table.
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Post by: Pippa on 08 July, 2015, 11:58:20 am
I wish Froome would take that nose ring out for interviews. It makes me feel a bit sick looking at it (I thought it was a bogey/snot at first).
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Post by: spesh on 08 July, 2015, 12:01:25 pm
Is it a nose ring? I thought it was more like the grab handle for an internal version of those BreatheRight strips that are supposed to open up your nostrils. ???

EDIT - from a quick Google, it looks like he's using Rhinomed's The Turbine.

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/08/the-turbine-backed-by-science-or-a-simple-placebo/
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Post by: Pippa on 08 July, 2015, 12:04:19 pm
Yeah I know it is not actually a nose ring (it's a Turbine (http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/08/the-turbine-backed-by-science-or-a-simple-placebo/) apparently)

But it looks like a nose ring.
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Post by: spesh on 08 July, 2015, 12:24:47 pm
But it looks like a nose ring.

If only - picture the scene at Team Sky HQ:

Brailsford - "It's like this, Chris, you might be the BRITON - for a given value thereof -  with the best chance of winning the Tour, but the market image analyst has identified that there are potential marginal gains to be made to improve your profile with the public."

Froome - "So what do I have to do then, a cheesy product endorsement, or go on Celebrity Big Brother?"

Brailsford - "The good news, it's neither of those. We were thinking of something a little more rock 'n' roll..."

 :demon:
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Post by: Nuncio on 08 July, 2015, 12:28:11 pm
He seems to lack the ability of some others to glide through gaps without "tagging" someone or being "tagged" himself.

He lacks the gravitas/menace to be a feared patron. Imagine someone barging Hinault or Armstrong like that: he'd find himself either punched or have all sponsorship in whatever business interests he may have mysteriously withdrawn.
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Post by: Salvatore on 08 July, 2015, 12:35:53 pm
Allez Tony. Come on Tony. Ride Tony. Si! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7BCSpRasAU)
For fans of OPQS DS Davide Bramati's celebrations, sporza has collected put together a 'Best Of' of youtube clips. Use of steering wheel optional.
http://sporza.be/cm/sporza/wielrennen/Tour/1.2386250
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Post by: rafletcher on 08 July, 2015, 12:39:40 pm
"Ooof". After Thibaut Pinot's "Jours sans", now Bouhanni is out. And Bardet is nowhere. Not shaping up to be a great TdF for the French riders.
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Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 08 July, 2015, 12:46:24 pm
Laurens Ten Dam had his dislocated shoulder popped back in and carried on - against doctor's orders. Mind you, he needed a little bit of assistance at dinner...

https://twitter.com/RGUpdate/status/618149446589751296
What's harder than Bruce Willis dying hard?

TDF riders!

198 TDF starters will share 2.2m Euros in prize money.  1 male and 1 female tennis player will each receive £1.8m for winning seven tennis matches this week.
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Post by: Nuncio on 08 July, 2015, 12:48:05 pm

now Bouhanni is out.

Oh dear.

Quote
Sanquer: "We must be careful"
Team Cofidis manager Yvon Sanquer had warned his troops to be cautious before the start. "But the weather conditions are changing our plans. Today, we were hoping for a quieter start to the stage and a bunch sprint on a terrain suiting us better. But with these conditions, anything can happen. Attacks are bound to take place, even from the big Four. Nacer has good legs and the whole team around him showed great strength yesterday. But today we're back in conditions similar to Zealand. We'll have to remain in the front group for Nacer to take part in the final sprint. The main thing today is to keep very careful."

Quote
Bouhanni to be evacuated
All the riders involved in the crash at kilometre 12 have made it back on their bikes to the exception of Nacer Bouhanni, who is about to be driven away by ambulance.
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Post by: rafletcher on 08 July, 2015, 12:51:52 pm
And "all the riders" seemed to be 4 Cofidis ones...  ::-)
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Post by: tiermat on 08 July, 2015, 12:53:54 pm
Bouhanni to be evacuated

Poor guy, first he crashes then has that done to him, what did he do to deserve that? :) :D
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Post by: Karla on 08 July, 2015, 07:55:23 pm
So when did Greipel suddenly get good?
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Post by: Veloman on 08 July, 2015, 08:42:24 pm
So when did Greipel suddenly get good?

I think the term might be better and perhaps he has not improved, perhaps other riders are not as good as they used to be.

Greipel is looking super strong and his speed today as he zipped through was impressive.  Also, Sagan sprinted well and appears able to beat Cavendish (again).
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Post by: αdαmsκι on 08 July, 2015, 10:24:40 pm
Greipel hasn't won much this year, but he has won some decent races. One stage in Paris - Nice, one stage in Giro, two stages and the GC at Ster ZLM Toer. Plus he's in my Velogames teams so I'm not complaining!
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Post by: David Martin on 08 July, 2015, 11:39:12 pm
Two things with Cav. He has worked hard on his classics form - he is climbing and TTing better, maybe that has taken some edge off.
But he seems to have lost the cavendish 'kick' - there is a lack of the former sparkle which suggests he may be carrying an illness, but obviously doesn't want everyone to know. (Like when watching brad descend a few years back in the Giro where you could see the 'under the weather' demeanour and a few days later he retired ill).

Prediction: Cav will either drop out with illness, or improve as he gets shot of it and explain in due course.
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Post by: LEE on 09 July, 2015, 01:03:17 am
So when did Greipel suddenly get good?

He's been good for a while and getting better.

The surprising thing to me is that he's older than Cav (32 vrs 30).

That makes me suspicious because I could understand his progress if he were 25.

Sagan is an amazing all-rounder.  He was unlucky not to win the stage today, he was travelling quickest over the line but mistimed it by 1 second.
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Post by: Nuncio on 09 July, 2015, 08:04:04 am
'On board' footage from Koen de Kort, covering yesterday's big crash and the sprint.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-YJDBLffi0&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-YJDBLffi0&feature=youtu.be)
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Post by: SoreTween on 09 July, 2015, 08:23:08 am
Thanks for that link.  At 29s there's 2 riders go down to start it off that haven't been touched, their bikes just go from under them.  Had some idiot put oil on the road?
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Post by: bobb on 09 July, 2015, 08:27:17 am
So when did Greipel suddenly get good?
That makes me suspicious because I could understand his progress if he were 25.

He hasn't made any progress though! He'd be coming second all the time if Kittel was fit and riding. If Cav hadn't gone shit, he'd be coming third....
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Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 09 July, 2015, 08:46:17 am
Thanks for that link.  At 29s there's 2 riders go down to start it off that haven't been touched, their bikes just go from under them.  Had some idiot put oil on the road?

I think just a combination of rain-slick road, too smooth a surface and loads of power being put down.
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Post by: David Martin on 09 July, 2015, 05:14:16 pm
Well that is a bit of mixed fortunes today. Hope Tony is just bruised but it looked like a broken collar bone. If so htere will be no yellow tunic on the road tomorrow. Can't see how Sagan is doing in the points but he can't be far off the top after a second place today (he was my tip for the win).

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Post by: Veloman on 09 July, 2015, 05:26:37 pm
And by the end of the day CF will probably be wearing it again.  Sprint stage ending in Fourgeres.

Which means Sky will be last off in TTT on Sunday and take it into mountains.  Unless BMC get more than 13s on them.

Regards points, latest standings after today's stage:

Greipal 161 pts

Sagan 158 pts
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Post by: Veloman on 09 July, 2015, 05:29:53 pm
Ooooops!  Forgot about the stage on Saturday!  Should not trouble the GC contenders too much.  Might affect the Green jersey though.
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Post by: Veloman on 09 July, 2015, 06:09:19 pm
Nibbles is being reported as saying that during the crash he fell on Froome who was to his right.  While all the riders were accredited the same time, the TdF site has reported their positions over the line and Contador was placed 16th, Nairo 33rd, Nibbles 92nd, Froome 110th.  Only other riders at 2s were the EQS ones nursing Martin over the line who was placed 174th and well after riders who were not in that peleton.

Hmmm, hope Froome is OK.  Other than the Martin 'bunch' he was last over the line of that peleton.
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Post by: Veloman on 09 July, 2015, 06:11:41 pm
Phew, all explained here:

http://www.teamsky.com/teamsky/home/article/57420#kXO0DG9cPtFc4Mim.97 (http://www.teamsky.com/teamsky/home/article/57420#kXO0DG9cPtFc4Mim.97)

And all remains well.
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Post by: mcshroom on 09 July, 2015, 06:17:29 pm
From twitter :(

Quote
Tony Martin ‏@tonymartin85  24m24 minutes ago
Collarbone is broken. We will discuss further steps.
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Post by: Canardly on 09 July, 2015, 08:06:01 pm
Ah what a shame......unlucky.
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Post by: Veloman on 09 July, 2015, 08:38:46 pm
Also I thought Didi Senff had hung up his trident but there was a very convincing lookalike at the roadside about 24 km from the finish today.

So did I, but one of the VeloViewer guys tweeted a photo of themselves at the side of the cobbles with Didi yesterday.

Didi:

http://www.teamsky.com/teamsky/home/imagegallery/57343#1#TP3yGzYU34oyQQbd.97 (http://www.teamsky.com/teamsky/home/imagegallery/57343#1#TP3yGzYU34oyQQbd.97)
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Post by: T42 on 09 July, 2015, 09:51:53 pm
Poison pill. Told you so.
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Post by: Nuncio on 09 July, 2015, 09:55:14 pm
A crash royale, given those who were affected: yellow jersey, Quintana, Nibali, Barguil, and Froome, amongst others. And an odd fracas with Nibali somehow blaming Froome and throwing a bidon at him, and Froome blaming Nibali. Then Froome, accompanied by Luje Rowe, marching up to and into the Astana bus for an exchange of views and to clear the air. I can understand how Froome could could have misunderstood the situation, but not vice versa. Curious.

There's a wonderful photo in the cyclingnews gallery here of Martin being helped to the finish by 3 of his team mates.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tour-de-france-nibali-and-froome-hold-impromptu-peace-talks-after-stage-6-crash/ (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tour-de-france-nibali-and-froome-hold-impromptu-peace-talks-after-stage-6-crash/)
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Post by: David Martin on 09 July, 2015, 10:03:44 pm
Etixx QuickStep will have had their sponsorship investment paid back in just one day today. Headlines all over the world, a heroic story of all the best possible sporting values with the sadness of tragedies. 
Gutted for Tony Martin, but in which other sport would the competitors be tweeting pictures of serious injuries (compound fracture of the collar bone) within hours of the event?

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Post by: Nuncio on 09 July, 2015, 10:23:46 pm
Or congratulating colleagues and then allowing themselves to be interviewed before being taken to hospital.

All a bit undermined, though, by the fact that the crash was his fault (by the look of it).
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Post by: Veloman on 09 July, 2015, 10:29:16 pm
All a bit undermined, though, by the fact that the crash was his fault (by the look of it).

During interviews he admitted he touched the wheel of the bike in front.
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Post by: David Martin on 09 July, 2015, 11:24:05 pm
It's bad enough on a club run when you get to a hill and the guy in front doesn't hold the same pace as you, when on the tour and in much closer and stressed circumstances, a minor misjudgement can lead to serious consequences. Personally I'm amazed it doesn't happen more often.
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Post by: Nuncio on 10 July, 2015, 05:46:46 am
I feel for Tony M, as a tester he has few opportunities to carry the yellow jersey.
Rohan Dennis? (Indurain, Boardman, Cancellara, Miller etc)
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Post by: Veloman on 10 July, 2015, 10:48:29 am
So Martin had operation at 0600 in Hamburg:

https://twitter.com/tonymartin85 (https://twitter.com/tonymartin85)

And as it is a sprint stage today, looks like Froome will be back in yellow.
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Post by: Salvatore on 10 July, 2015, 11:12:36 am
Allez Tony. Come on Tony. Ride Tony. Si! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7BCSpRasAU)
Davide Bramati was suspended for a day as a result of this video because he wasn't wearing a seatbelt. And OPQS have removed the video from youtube. I would have thought Wilfrid Peeters would be more deserving of punishment, holding and watching a tablet while driving.
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Post by: rafletcher on 10 July, 2015, 11:35:03 am
 ::-)  This from an organisation who's boss stand up through the sunroof of a car daily.
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Post by: bobb on 10 July, 2015, 11:43:09 am
Nevermind the standard of driving in le tour, what about the riders? Jumping red lights, going round roundabouts the wrong way, weaving all over the road like they own the place... Terrible!  :P
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Post by: Pip on 10 July, 2015, 12:08:21 pm
Today the Tour passes along much of the PBP route from km 260 to km 305, and again from km 915 to about km 955.  Watch out for the villages of Lassay-les-Cahteaux, Ambrieres and Gorron. It is a lovely rolling section of the route.

The mayor of Gorron often stands roadside playing the trumpet (unless it is raining). He must be as bonkers as us.

I have never stopped to listen properly as it always seemed out of tune.
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Post by: Salvatore on 10 July, 2015, 01:10:01 pm
This Gorron cyclist has been on display ever four years since 1991, if not earlier. But not the 2 Danes.

(https://farm7.staticflickr.com/6162/6147291113_597f873fba_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/andttP)
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Post by: Katie on 10 July, 2015, 03:09:12 pm
Enjoying watching live coverage at Mare St branch of Look Mum No Hands! today, and have a copy of Pro Cycling Top Trumps with me, if any YACFers want to join me…
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Post by: phil653 on 10 July, 2015, 03:33:05 pm
Nice quote from Nibali after the Froome mini-summit on the Astana bus:

“Did we clear it all up?” said Nibali. “Yeah. We are not footballers, we are cyclists.”

from: theguardian.com/sport/2015/jul/09/tour-de-france-2015-tony-martin-race-in-doubt-stage-six-crash-zdenek-stybar-cycling
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Post by: TimC on 10 July, 2015, 04:22:42 pm
GET IN!!
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Post by: Karla on 10 July, 2015, 04:27:46 pm
Only one word

CAVTASTIC!
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Post by: Katie on 10 July, 2015, 04:31:16 pm
May have knocked over a stool in LMNH with excitement just then   :facepalm:
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Post by: Oaky on 10 July, 2015, 04:49:27 pm
I wonder if Tony Martin remembered not to punch the air in celebration when he watched that?
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Post by: David Martin on 10 July, 2015, 04:50:34 pm

I wonder if Tony Martin remembered not to punch the air in celebration when he watched that?

I had the same thought .. "Jaaa ... aaaarghh"
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Post by: LEE on 10 July, 2015, 06:59:55 pm
Only one word

CAVTASTIC!

Two more words..

Follow Griepel!
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Post by: T42 on 10 July, 2015, 09:46:56 pm
Today the Tour passes along much of the PBP route from km 260 to km 305, and again from km 915 to about km 955.  Watch out for the villages of Lassay-les-Cahteaux, Ambrieres and Gorron. It is a lovely rolling section of the route.

The mayor of Gorron often stands roadside playing the trumpet (unless it is raining). He must be as bonkers as us.

I have never stopped to listen properly as it always seemed out of tune.

We were through that section from Lassay to Fougères last year. I couldn't recognize any of it from the TV transmission, though.  It's annoying that they don't put up the names of the towns they go through.
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Post by: Katie on 11 July, 2015, 03:56:32 pm
Quote of the day from itv commentators: "tested positive for stupidity, also known as taking cocaine during a sporting event"
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Post by: T42 on 11 July, 2015, 05:00:58 pm
Except that (according to French commentators) cocaine can still be detectable two weeks after taking.  Curiously, a positive cocaine test between races is OK, it just mustn't be detectable during the event. Although it doesn't help, the rider might be using it to mask something else.

So only half a point to ITV.
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Post by: Mr Larrington on 12 July, 2015, 12:01:52 am
General consensus is about four days for coke and anything up to 6-8 weeks for weed.
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Post by: T42 on 12 July, 2015, 07:04:55 am
Wiki has metabolites detectable in urine for up to 8 days. They could come from a visit to the dentist, though.
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Post by: Salvatore on 12 July, 2015, 08:26:01 am
Except that (according to French commentators) cocaine can still be detectable two weeks after taking.  Curiously, a positive cocaine test between races is OK, it just mustn't be detectable during the event. Although it doesn't help, the rider might be using it to mask something else.


Every rider is tested before the first stage.  If he took it before the race, then that surely should have shown an AAF, and it would have been more easily detectable, being at a greater concentration in his body than after stage 4.
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Post by: Si_Co on 12 July, 2015, 08:47:55 am
Quote
I did not take cocaine

Now call me cynical but that's very different from "I did not use banned substances"

Contamination of.......what?
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Post by: Ivo on 12 July, 2015, 09:18:53 am
Today is the TTT. Some teams have still all riders aboard, some others are severly damaged by losing a few riders.
All 9 still present:
BMC, Tinkoff-Saxo, AGR, Sky, Movistar, Astana, Lotto-Jumbo, MTN, IAM, Europcar, Lampre, Bretagne

One rider down:
Etixx-Quick Step, Giant, Cofidis, Cannondale, Trek, Lotto-Soudal, Bora, FDJ

2 riders out:
Katusha

only 6 left over:
Orica GreenEdge

So I guess we can rule out Orica as a favourite. Trek can also be ruled out as a favourite now since it's Cancellara who's out. Based on last saturday's ITT we can add Lotto-Jumbo to the list of teams to watch.
That makes as interesting teams to watch:
BMC, Tinkoff, Sky, Movistar, Astana, Lotto-Jumbo.
BMC is generally mentioned in the press as the favourite. I'd rate the other 5 as fairly even now.
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Post by: TheLurker on 12 July, 2015, 09:30:19 am


only 6 left over:
Orica GreenEdge

So I guess we can rule out Orica as a favourite.
One the Orica team, the DS I think, said that they'll be treating today as a rest day before the official rest day.  Seems sensible to me.  Gives the brothers Yates a better chance come the first mountain stages. 
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Post by: Katie on 12 July, 2015, 09:32:35 am
Today is the TTT. Some teams have still all riders aboard, some others are severly damaged by losing a few riders.
All 9 still present:
BMC, Tinkoff-Saxo, AGR, Sky, Movistar, Astana, Lotto-Jumbo, MTN, IAM, Europcar, Lampre, Bretagne

One rider down:
Etixx-Quick Step, Giant, Cofidis, Cannondale, Trek, Lotto-Soudal, Bora, FDJ

2 riders out:
Katusha

only 6 left over:
Orica GreenEdge

So I guess we can rule out Orica as a favourite. Trek can also be ruled out as a favourite now since it's Cancellara who's out. Based on last saturday's ITT we can add Lotto-Jumbo to the list of teams to watch.
That makes as interesting teams to watch:
BMC, Tinkoff, Sky, Movistar, Astana, Lotto-Jumbo.
BMC is generally mentioned in the press as the favourite. I'd rate the other 5 as fairly even now.

Ta for this :)

I'll be rooting for either Sky or Movistar, depending who's doing best on the day, cos I'm a shameless hussy who changes their favourite rider/team (out of a small selection…) based on who is most likely to win the stage  ;)

Alas I finish work at 2pm so won't be tuning in til I get home at about 3; hopefully that just means I will miss the boring beginning bits…
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Ivo on 12 July, 2015, 09:55:41 am
Today is the TTT. Some teams have still all riders aboard, some others are severly damaged by losing a few riders.
All 9 still present:
BMC, Tinkoff-Saxo, AGR, Sky, Movistar, Astana, Lotto-Jumbo, MTN, IAM, Europcar, Lampre, Bretagne

One rider down:
Etixx-Quick Step, Giant, Cofidis, Cannondale, Trek, Lotto-Soudal, Bora, FDJ

2 riders out:
Katusha

only 6 left over:
Orica GreenEdge

So I guess we can rule out Orica as a favourite. Trek can also be ruled out as a favourite now since it's Cancellara who's out. Based on last saturday's ITT we can add Lotto-Jumbo to the list of teams to watch.
That makes as interesting teams to watch:
BMC, Tinkoff, Sky, Movistar, Astana, Lotto-Jumbo.
BMC is generally mentioned in the press as the favourite. I'd rate the other 5 as fairly even now.

Ta for this :)

I'll be rooting for either Sky or Movistar, depending who's doing best on the day, cos I'm a shameless hussy who changes their favourite rider/team (out of a small selection…) based on who is most likely to win the stage  ;)

Alas I finish work at 2pm so won't be tuning in til I get home at about 3; hopefully that just means I will miss the boring beginning bits…

Most interesting teams will start after 1600 French time. So you'll be prefectly on time.

Quote
Schedule

0km Start Vannes 15:00 (first team), 16:45 (last team)
10km Checkpoint Lesnevé 15:11 (first team), 16:56 (last team)
20.5km Checkpoint Le Croiseau 15:34 (first team), 17:08 (last team)
28km Finish Plumelec 15:32 (first team), 17:17 (last team)

(all times local)
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Katie on 12 July, 2015, 10:24:27 am
Sweet  ;D
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Nuncio on 12 July, 2015, 10:29:08 am


only 6 left over:
Orica GreenEdge

So I guess we can rule out Orica as a favourite.
One the Orica team, the DS I think, said that they'll be treating today as a rest day before the official rest day.  Seems sensible to me.  Gives the brothers Yates a better chance come the first mountain stages.
6 riders, but with Matthews likely to be little more than a passenger. They can't afford to take it too easily. Just as long as the fifth is within 25% of the winning team's time, not that they'll know what that is when they start.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: benborp on 12 July, 2015, 11:01:04 am
The elimination is 130% of the winning teams time in the TTT. It doesn't look as if Matthews is struggling so much that it should be an issue.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 12 July, 2015, 11:23:49 am
Didn't some poor sod end up doing it on a standard road bike a couple of years back?  Something like he wasn't expected to be riding at all so they left his TT bike in the shed?

My Google-fu is not up to the task with this little1 Brown Drink in me.

1: None, but the kettle's just boiled.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Nuncio on 12 July, 2015, 01:21:01 pm
Ted King was eliminated after missing the cut by 6 seconds, I think, when riding with a shoulder injury. he may have been riding a road bike for comfort.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Ivo on 12 July, 2015, 03:19:18 pm
Astana not having the best tactics. Boom and Westra riding directly after eachother, too much stress on the others.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Katie on 12 July, 2015, 03:41:42 pm
Got my timing perfect for commute home; was finishing lunch at 2pm so didn't leave quite on time but made it to TV at home as Movistar were leaving.

Didn't some poor sod end up doing it on a standard road bike a couple of years back?  Something like he wasn't expected to be riding at all so they left his TT bike in the shed?

My Google-fu is not up to the task with this little1 Brown Drink in me.

1: None, but the kettle's just boiled.

I tweeted this morning, pre-coffee, about watching Movistar for Cavendish earlier. Deliberate mistake, obviously.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Katie on 12 July, 2015, 03:51:31 pm
Astana not having the best tactics. Boom and Westra riding directly after eachother, too much stress on the others.

Best time yet though I think?
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Katie on 12 July, 2015, 03:52:24 pm
Astana not having the best tactics. Boom and Westra riding directly after eachother, too much stress on the others.

Best time yet though I think?

…I say, as BMC smash Astana's time for the first time check by several minutes…
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Ivo on 12 July, 2015, 04:00:51 pm
Astana not having the best tactics. Boom and Westra riding directly after eachother, too much stress on the others.

Best time yet though I think?

But is it enough?
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Katie on 12 July, 2015, 04:02:26 pm
Astana not having the best tactics. Boom and Westra riding directly after eachother, too much stress on the others.

Best time yet though I think?

But is it enough?

Quoth my employer, if BMC don't do well today, given they make TT bikes, they're doing something very wrong.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Katie on 12 July, 2015, 04:03:05 pm
BMC just announced 3 seconds ahead of Movistar at second checkpoint
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Ivo on 12 July, 2015, 04:07:02 pm
I've only seen two teams without a technical error up to now, Sky and BMC.
Movistar completely lost formation and Basso is making a lot of problems for TInkoff
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Katie on 12 July, 2015, 04:15:47 pm
BMC just confirmed fastest yet, Sky are down to 5 men but giving them a good run for it (2 mins to cover 1km).
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Katie on 12 July, 2015, 04:18:05 pm
BMC still fastest, but Froome still in yellow!
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: De Sisti on 12 July, 2015, 05:12:08 pm
In the TTT are the riders who get dropped given the same time as the first five that finish ahead of them,
or, are they given their own individual times?
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Si_Co on 12 July, 2015, 05:22:13 pm
In the TTT are the riders who get dropped given the same time as the first five that finish ahead of them,
or, are they given their own individual times?

Individual, and they still have to make the cut off of the fastest team AIUI
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Nuncio on 13 July, 2015, 02:48:48 pm
Ivan Basso is out. He had a scan today which showed testicular cancer.

Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 13 July, 2015, 03:04:29 pm
Ivan Basso is out. He had a scan today which showed testicular cancer.

I see that was a follow up scan after catching one of his pods in a crash last week. Not a body-bike interaction that's usually deemed as lucky by the victim.

Must... resist... drawing parallels...

Ah, to hell with it...

At his age, I don't see him winning several TdFs in a row starting in 2017. :demon:
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Katie on 13 July, 2015, 03:16:45 pm
…I was going to say something like "This afternoon is proper boring without the Tour to watch" but complaining of a boring life seems a little too poor taste now…!
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: red marley on 13 July, 2015, 07:51:13 pm
*stands up and gives Chris Boardman a round of applause for his piece on cycling in Utrecht.*
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Pingu on 13 July, 2015, 08:06:55 pm
*stands up and gives Chris Boardman a round of applause for his piece on cycling in Utrecht.*

+1
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Nuncio on 13 July, 2015, 09:58:57 pm
Indeed. That was marvellous. I came close to giving it a standing ovation in my living room.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 13 July, 2015, 10:39:53 pm
*stands up and gives Chris Boardman a round of applause for his piece on cycling in Utrecht.*

This.  Boris Johnson appeared almost human too.  The Lizard Alliance is improving its human camouflage.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Pingu on 13 July, 2015, 11:08:52 pm
*stands up and gives Chris Boardman a round of applause for his piece on cycling in Utrecht.*

This.  Boris Johnson appeared almost human too.  The Lizard Alliance is improving its human camouflage.

I put the bj segment on mute until it had finished.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: mattc on 13 July, 2015, 11:20:58 pm
*stands up and gives Chris Boardman a round of applause for his piece on cycling in Utrecht.*

This.  Boris Johnson appeared almost human too.  The Lizard Alliance is improving its human camouflage.

I put the bj segment on mute until it had finished.
Very wise - you wouldnt want to find yourself agreeing with him,  would you?

[Boris is like that character in the Fast Show:
YACF Reader: "Thankyou for that, Mr Johnson. Now, perhaps one of the socialists here would like to make the same suggestion? Anyone? Please?"
]
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Pingu on 13 July, 2015, 11:43:38 pm
*stands up and gives Chris Boardman a round of applause for his piece on cycling in Utrecht.*

This.  Boris Johnson appeared almost human too.  The Lizard Alliance is improving its human camouflage.

I put the bj segment on mute until it had finished.
Very wise - you wouldnt want to find yourself agreeing with him,  would you?

[Boris is like that character in the Fast Show:
YACF Reader: "Thankyou for that, Mr Johnson. Now, perhaps one of the socialists here would like to make the same suggestion? Anyone? Please?"
]

No, bj is a cunt, pure and simple.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Bledlow on 13 July, 2015, 11:45:38 pm
*stands up and gives Chris Boardman a round of applause for his piece on cycling in Utrecht.*
Ooooh, I missed that, which is a pity, since Utrecht was where I re-started cycling.

Got my first bike as an adult when I was living there for a while (a second hand Raleigh, from a shop called Re-cycle  :thumbsup:). It seemed like a suitable way to get to work, what with it fitting in with the locals 'n all that. Found I liked it a lot, so bought a new bike when I moved back to England, replaced it with an Orbit Gold Medal a year later, & before many more years I'd ridden my first Audax (of not many) & bought a made to measure Roberts - now owned by Woofage.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: jsabine on 14 July, 2015, 12:15:58 am
*stands up and gives Chris Boardman a round of applause for his piece on cycling in Utrecht.*

This.  Boris Johnson appeared almost human too.  The Lizard Alliance is improving its human camouflage.

I put the bj segment on mute until it had finished.
Very wise - you wouldnt want to find yourself agreeing with him,  would you?

[Boris is like that character in the Fast Show:
YACF Reader: "Thankyou for that, Mr Johnson. Now, perhaps one of the socialists here would like to make the same suggestion? Anyone? Please?"
]

No, bj is a cunt, pure and simple.

I've tended to think he has neither the warmth nor the depth, frankly. Anyway, cunts have their merits, stopped clocks are right twice a day, and when BJ says something sensible I mitigate the shame of agreeing with him by attributing it to an unnamed City Hall minion who's been clever enough to sneak it past both his policy advisors and his speechwriter.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Katie on 14 July, 2015, 08:07:03 am
*stands up and gives Chris Boardman a round of applause for his piece on cycling in Utrecht.*

This.  Boris Johnson appeared almost human too.  The Lizard Alliance is improving its human camouflage.

I put the bj segment on mute until it had finished.
Very wise - you wouldnt want to find yourself agreeing with him,  would you?

[Boris is like that character in the Fast Show:
YACF Reader: "Thankyou for that, Mr Johnson. Now, perhaps one of the socialists here would like to make the same suggestion? Anyone? Please?"
]

No, bj is a cunt, pure and simple.

I've tended to think he has neither the warmth nor the depth, frankly.

Goddamnit that's EXACTLY what I was going to say. Favourite insult.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: woollypigs on 14 July, 2015, 09:37:55 am
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/33517897

ohh is hacking the new doping?
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 14 July, 2015, 11:31:09 am
Being able to break into the opposition's server without the aid of Hollywood-OSTM, knocking up an Internet worm in assembler, getting a USB cable the right way up first time and interfering with Thibaut Pinot's HRM on the fly; these are all essential components of the 21st century Tour contender's arsenal.

Remember, kids, "it's not about the bike" :demon:
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 14 July, 2015, 11:34:16 am
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/33517897

ohh is hacking the new doping?

Ordinarily, you'd ask the question, "is rider X doping?", then look at the data that is available in order to draw a conclusion - whilst being mindful of the potential flaws in analysis techniques and the lack of other data that can provide context to what your looking at.

Alternatively, you can start with the conclusion - "rider X IS doping" - and work backwards from there, picking the data that supports it..

If the allegations are true, 'hacking the data files' is just the latest way of doing this.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: hillbilly on 14 July, 2015, 11:40:38 am
*stands up and gives Chris Boardman a round of applause for his piece on cycling in Utrecht.*

This.  Boris Johnson appeared almost human too.  The Lizard Alliance is improving its human camouflage.

I put the bj segment on mute until it had finished.

I take it BJ means BoJo.  Not the other meaning, which gives the commentary a completely different meaning.  Which I don't want to image.  Bugger :(
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: mattc on 14 July, 2015, 12:04:20 pm
...

Anyway, cunts have their merits, stopped clocks are right twice a day, and when BJ says something sensible I mitigate the shame of agreeing with him by attributing it to an unnamed City Hall minion who's been clever enough to sneak it past both his policy advisors and his speechwriter.
;D

You lot are most entertaining. I can hear the contortions from here.

"But he CANT be right about this. Look at that ridiculous hair!!! "
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: sojournermike on 14 July, 2015, 12:08:38 pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/33517897

ohh is hacking the new doping?

Ordinarily, you'd ask the question, "is rider X doping?", then look at the data that is available in order to draw a conclusion - whilst being mindful of the potential flaws in analysis techniques and the lack of other data that can provide context to what your looking at.

Alternatively, you can start with the conclusion - "rider X IS doping" - and work backwards from there, picking the data that supports it..

If the allegations are true, 'hacking the data files' is just the latest way of doing this.


"We think someone has hacked into training data and got Chris's files," said Team Sky boss Sir Dave Brailsford.
"We've got some legal guys on the case. I would never mention a name but ethically and morally if you are going to accuse someone of doping, then don't cheat."


This made me smile - how will you get the evidence without 'cheating' given that it wouldn't ever be released by the team/rider if it was 'marginal'.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Ham on 14 July, 2015, 12:20:17 pm

This made me smile - how will you get the evidence without 'cheating' given that it wouldn't ever be released by the team/rider if it was 'marginal'.

Whatever you might get through hacking, it certainly isn't evidence.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: woollypigs on 14 July, 2015, 12:29:59 pm
Hack in, modify file to ones needs, log out, request file to be public, then blame them for what ever the fall out is. They say it has been modified - you yell cheat. They say it has been hacked - you say it's a cover up. They didn't notice - you show the obtained "real" file to the journalist. Win-win for your campaign.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 14 July, 2015, 12:48:32 pm
I take it BJ means BoJo.  Not the other meaning, which gives the commentary a completely different meaning.  Which I don't want to image.  Bugger :(

(https://thisistwitchy.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/h1248e739.jpeg)
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: TimC on 14 July, 2015, 02:23:13 pm
*stands up and gives Chris Boardman a round of applause for his piece on cycling in Utrecht.*

Bum. Missed it. Is it on catch-up for when I get back to UK?
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 14 July, 2015, 02:28:22 pm
On ITV Player for thirty days.  And no, ITV, I do not wish to download your poxy app just to check programme availability  >:(
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: TimC on 14 July, 2015, 02:32:09 pm
Thanks, M Le M. I'll look it up tomorrow.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: TimC on 14 July, 2015, 02:48:09 pm
Ooh, that even works in Usania. Excellent!
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: hatler on 14 July, 2015, 02:58:28 pm
Wow !!  That is simply fantastic.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: David Martin on 14 July, 2015, 03:27:01 pm
*stands up and gives Chris Boardman a round of applause for his piece on cycling in Utrecht.*

+1
+1
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: benborp on 14 July, 2015, 03:39:45 pm
Out on the road a couple of questions are being answered very early on. Nibali doesn't have it.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: benborp on 14 July, 2015, 03:58:28 pm
Um, wow!

There's a huge amount of support for Quintana, which results in him being barely able to see the road.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: TimC on 14 July, 2015, 04:06:22 pm
Well, I guess that answers any questions about who's in form! Amazing effort by Sky.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: benborp on 14 July, 2015, 04:11:06 pm
What underlined the dominance for me was Porte and Thomas marking their man. Nice to see Thomas' sportsmanship but also Porte's shark like smile before devouring Quintana.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 14 July, 2015, 04:12:40 pm
Chuffing nora! :o

Today shall be henceforth known as the Bastille Day Massacre...
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: T42 on 14 July, 2015, 04:23:49 pm
What underlined the dominance for me was Porte and Thomas marking their man. Nice to see Thomas' sportsmanship but also Porte's shark like smile before devouring Quintana.

Felt almost sorry for the lad. But not quite.  Liked the interview Porte gave France TV after: "just another day on the Tour".

Yeah, sure.  But as Jalabert said, that's just the first 15 km of mountains, there are lots more to come.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: henshaw11 on 14 July, 2015, 05:04:12 pm
*stands up and gives Chris Boardman a round of applause for his piece on cycling in Utrecht.*

This.  Boris Johnson appeared almost human too.  The Lizard Alliance is improving its human camouflage.

I put the bj segment on mute until it had finished.
Very wise - you wouldnt want to find yourself agreeing with him,  would you?

[Boris is like that character in the Fast Show:
YACF Reader: "Thankyou for that, Mr Johnson. Now, perhaps one of the socialists here would like to make the same suggestion? Anyone? Please?"
]

No, bj is a cunt, pure and simple.

I've tended to think he has neither the warmth nor the depth, frankly.

Goddamnit that's EXACTLY what I was going to say. Favourite insult.

Late to the party. .but iirc, he's not exactly a 'wet' c*ntservative..
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 14 July, 2015, 05:17:28 pm
FFS, P&OBI is that way... ------------------------------------->
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: sg37409 on 14 July, 2015, 05:46:23 pm
Averaging 66 seconds between ad breaks here on ESPN  almost unwatchable. Should go longer between breaks when they hit the climb.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: T42 on 14 July, 2015, 05:57:54 pm
I watch the direct feed from France TV via the Internet.  Ads at the beginning but thereafter it's continuous. Jalabert & Vasseur as expert commentators, with standard-issue manic drivellers as wanchors.  Today Nibali, Van G, Pinaud & Contador "lost the Tour" about 20 times each, and Froome "bludgeoned the Tour" roughly ditto.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: mcshroom on 14 July, 2015, 06:09:04 pm
ITV4 do seem to back the adverts off a bit at the end of the stage.

Just checked in on the clinic and the conspiracy theories are in full overdrive
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 14 July, 2015, 06:27:01 pm
Because Stuffs I have not yet had a chance to watch today's stage.  Thank you for giving the result away, the BBfuckingC >:(
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: toontra on 14 July, 2015, 06:29:32 pm
Because Stuffs I have not yet had a chance to watch today's stage.  Thank you for giving the result away, the BBfuckingC >:(

This one's worth seeing even if you know the result.  Believe me!
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Somnolent on 14 July, 2015, 06:39:25 pm
ITV4 do seem to back the adverts off a bit at the end of the stage.

As do ES Player.

Mind you Kirby & Roche can get it spectacularly wrong.... telling us that Froome was in trouble, shaking his head, looking pale, not able to stay on Porte's wheel (while G was driving it) etc. then moments later what does the 'bag of spanners' do?

Made I laugh when he went past a supporter's banner with Swahili (?) on it, and didn't even notice because his nose was glued to his stem as usual.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: woollypigs on 14 July, 2015, 06:41:56 pm
Because Stuffs I have not yet had a chance to watch today's stage.  Thank you for giving the result away, the BBfuckingC >:(
After years of trying to avoid a result, I have learnt that no matter how deep I pushed my fingers into my ears and how loud I went LALALALALA, along with not getting within a mile of radio, tv, friends, internet etc. The only way to make sure is to cut ones own head off or live with the fact that you heard the result.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: drgannet on 14 July, 2015, 06:55:54 pm
There's only one thing that comes to mind after watching that, and which you can read in Tyler Hamilton's book; the 2 words attributed to Lance Armstrong that he used to reserve for such extraordinary performances.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Veloman on 14 July, 2015, 06:59:54 pm
Because Stuffs I have not yet had a chance to watch today's stage.  Thank you for giving the result away, the BBfuckingC >:(

Why read the thread if you don't want to know the result or haven't seen the stage live/highlights?
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: mcshroom on 14 July, 2015, 07:02:40 pm
Because Stuffs I have not yet had a chance to watch today's stage.  Thank you for giving the result away, the BBfuckingC >:(

Why read the thread if you don't want to know the result or haven't seen the stage live/highlights?
It was the BBC that did the spoiling, not us Guv!
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Veloman on 14 July, 2015, 07:15:42 pm
Ah, BBC.  Thought that was strange.  Clearly not used to expletives between acronyms.  My apologies to Mr Larrington.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 14 July, 2015, 07:17:32 pm
ITV4 do seem to back the adverts off a bit at the end of the stage.

Just checked in on the clinic and the conspiracy theories are in full overdrive

I gave up on trying to tune any signal out of the noise in TEH ASYLUM ages ago. You can practically feel your sanity and IQ draining away by the minute...  :demon:
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: mcshroom on 14 July, 2015, 07:24:47 pm
Currently we have a grand conspiracy between Sky, ASO, UCI and Rupert Murdoch - and it'll never come out because 'Murdoch can bring down governments' ;D
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 14 July, 2015, 07:28:20 pm
They missed out on MI6, the NSA, the Bilderberg Group and the Illuminati for the full house, the slackers. ;)

But we digress...
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: mcshroom on 14 July, 2015, 07:31:17 pm
;D
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: sojournermike on 14 July, 2015, 08:19:30 pm

This made me smile - how will you get the evidence without 'cheating' given that it wouldn't ever be released by the team/rider if it was 'marginal'.

Whatever you might get through hacking, it certainly isn't evidence.

Yeah, your right of course.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: sojournermike on 14 July, 2015, 08:20:36 pm
Hack in, modify file to ones needs, log out, request file to be public, then blame them for what ever the fall out is. They say it has been modified - you yell cheat. They say it has been hacked - you say it's a cover up. They didn't notice - you show the obtained "real" file to the journalist. Win-win for your campaign.

What a scheming mind you have. Worries me really.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Si_Co on 14 July, 2015, 08:25:18 pm
ITV4 do seem to back the adverts off a bit at the end of the stage.

Just checked in on the clinic and the conspiracy theories are in full overdrive

I gave up on trying to tune any signal out of the noise in TEH ASYLUM ages ago. You can practically feel your sanity and IQ draining away by the minute...  :demon:
I'm never quite sure whether to be pleased or worried that the clinic leaves me feeling positively well balanced
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: αdαmsκι on 14 July, 2015, 09:33:31 pm
There's a cracking photo on inrng of Froome looking at his stem.

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/984eae1180d68373b3c7d12a5e6ab57a/tumblr_nrhpc80des1ropreyo1_1280.jpg) (https://41.media.tumblr.com/984eae1180d68373b3c7d12a5e6ab57a/tumblr_nrhpc80des1ropreyo1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 14 July, 2015, 10:36:30 pm
They missed out on MI6, the NSA, the Bilderberg Group and the Illuminati for the full house, the slackers. ;)

But we digress...

They're all just facets of the Lizard Alliance...
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Chris S on 14 July, 2015, 10:38:26 pm
There's a cracking photo on inrng of Froome looking at his stem.

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/984eae1180d68373b3c7d12a5e6ab57a/tumblr_nrhpc80des1ropreyo1_1280.jpg) (https://41.media.tumblr.com/984eae1180d68373b3c7d12a5e6ab57a/tumblr_nrhpc80des1ropreyo1_1280.jpg)

It looks like he's just overtaken Roadrunner.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: drgannet on 14 July, 2015, 11:14:09 pm
There's a cracking photo on inrng of Froome looking at his stem.

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/984eae1180d68373b3c7d12a5e6ab57a/tumblr_nrhpc80des1ropreyo1_1280.jpg) (https://41.media.tumblr.com/984eae1180d68373b3c7d12a5e6ab57a/tumblr_nrhpc80des1ropreyo1_1280.jpg)

It looks like he's just overtaken Roadrunner.

That is just brilliant!
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: sojournermike on 14 July, 2015, 11:14:53 pm
There's a cracking photo on inrng of Froome looking at his stem.

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/984eae1180d68373b3c7d12a5e6ab57a/tumblr_nrhpc80des1ropreyo1_1280.jpg) (https://41.media.tumblr.com/984eae1180d68373b3c7d12a5e6ab57a/tumblr_nrhpc80des1ropreyo1_1280.jpg)

His calves are a bit skinny, don't you think?
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Deano on 14 July, 2015, 11:33:57 pm
*stands up and gives Chris Boardman a round of applause for his piece on cycling in Utrecht.*

+1
+1

Yeah. Go Chris!
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 15 July, 2015, 12:04:47 am
There's a cracking photo on inrng of Froome looking at his stem.

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/984eae1180d68373b3c7d12a5e6ab57a/tumblr_nrhpc80des1ropreyo1_1280.jpg) (https://41.media.tumblr.com/984eae1180d68373b3c7d12a5e6ab57a/tumblr_nrhpc80des1ropreyo1_1280.jpg)

Napoleon is reported to have said "All my soldiers saw of Russia was the pack of the man in front of them" as though the ungrateful rabble had actually turned down his offers of side trips to St Petersburg and the Black Sea.  What did you think of the scenery, Froomey?  Scenery?

Textbook stuff from Sky; you could practically hear G saying to Valverde "Hello, son, got our payment?"  Top riding from both him and Porte.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: woollypigs on 15 July, 2015, 07:25:40 am
It looks like he's just overtaken Roadrunner.

He'd overtake me any day as I climb at about 40% of his pace.
Wow you are fit :)
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 15 July, 2015, 12:00:54 pm
It's nice to see the Eritreans breaking through. The political situation has held them back too long. They have the potential to dominate cycling as the Ethiopians and Kenyans dominate running.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/gametheory/2014/09/cycling-eritrea
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Vince on 15 July, 2015, 12:05:58 pm
They've branched it off into a separate item (and they've cut out that Boris bloke)

Video: Chris Boardman on the Dutch love affair with cycling (http://www.itv.com/tourdefrance/features/video-chris-boardman-on-the-dutch-love-affair-with-cycling)

Utterly brill  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

"The video you are trying to watch is using the HTTP Live Streaming protocol which is only supported in iOS devices."
Not very helpful
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: TimC on 15 July, 2015, 12:57:03 pm
It's on ITV Player, which I think supports all OSs.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: pcolbeck on 15 July, 2015, 01:11:04 pm
They've branched it off into a separate item (and they've cut out that Boris bloke)

Video: Chris Boardman on the Dutch love affair with cycling (http://www.itv.com/tourdefrance/features/video-chris-boardman-on-the-dutch-love-affair-with-cycling)

Utterly brill  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

"The video you are trying to watch is using the HTTP Live Streaming protocol which is only supported in iOS devices."
Not very helpful

Something wrong your end it works for me on Windows 7 with Firefox.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Nuncio on 15 July, 2015, 01:36:18 pm

I must admit that the feeling of exhilaration after watching yesterday's stage has been replaced by a feeling of anti-climax. I know we've only had one mountain stage and there's a long way to go, but with even the other GC contenders conceding that CF was a class apart, and with Sky looking so strong, it does feel as if it's all over. Let's hope that we see some imaginative tactics as we did in that stage which Dan Martin won in 2013 when Garmin and Movistar repeatedly attacked from the gun and managed to isolate Froome.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Katie on 15 July, 2015, 02:27:00 pm
They've branched it off into a separate item (and they've cut out that Boris bloke)

Video: Chris Boardman on the Dutch love affair with cycling (http://www.itv.com/tourdefrance/features/video-chris-boardman-on-the-dutch-love-affair-with-cycling)

Utterly brill  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

"The video you are trying to watch is using the HTTP Live Streaming protocol which is only supported in iOS devices."
Not very helpful

Something wrong your end it works for me on Windows 7 with Firefox.
I see that error message quite often. Refreshing the page works a lot of the time.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: TimC on 15 July, 2015, 02:47:38 pm

I must admit that the feeling of exhilaration after watching yesterday's stage has been replaced by a feeling of anti-climax. I know we've only had one mountain stage and there's a long way to go, but with even the other GC contenders conceding that CF was a class apart, and with Sky looking so strong, it does feel as if it's all over. Let's hope that we see some imaginative tactics as we did in that stage which Dan Martin won in 2013 when Garmin and Movistar repeatedly attacked from the gun and managed to isolate Froome.

I think you'll get your wish today! The main contenders are taking it relatively easily after yesterday's efforts. And Nibbles seems to have regained some mojo, so it might not all be lost for him.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: T42 on 15 July, 2015, 02:48:13 pm
Just had the story about the bloke welding his own fork again. <yawn>
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: T42 on 15 July, 2015, 03:31:43 pm
(http://www.pbase.com/image/160749066.jpg)
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 15 July, 2015, 03:40:44 pm
I imagine hitting half a tonne of angry pot roast on a descent is high on a pro's list of "Things To Avoid Like Clichés".
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: T42 on 15 July, 2015, 03:58:19 pm
Saw it happen in Norn Iron, only it was a car that hit it about 20 yds ahead of me.  Cow had all 4 legs in the air.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: jsabine on 15 July, 2015, 04:22:31 pm
They've branched it off into a separate item (and they've cut out that Boris bloke)

Video: Chris Boardman on the Dutch love affair with cycling (http://www.itv.com/tourdefrance/features/video-chris-boardman-on-the-dutch-love-affair-with-cycling)

Utterly brill  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Yep - and especially his comment about seeing tens of thousands of cycles, but no cyclists - just ordinary people, doing ordinary things, and dressed for the destination not for the journey. It's all about mainstreaming it, normalising it, making it just something you do rather than something special.

And that Boris bloke wasn't bad either, from the link on the same page.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: benborp on 15 July, 2015, 04:32:24 pm
I get a bit Freddie Mercury in moments like that.

"Vache! Ahha!"
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 15 July, 2015, 04:36:54 pm
Just had the story about the bloke welding his own fork again. <yawn>

They're just complying with a legal requirement from the St Marie De Campan Tourist Board.  ;)

(shameless pinched from the stage thread on Bikeradar)
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 15 July, 2015, 04:42:23 pm
I imagine hitting half a tonne of angry pot roast on a descent is high on a pro's list of "Things To Avoid Like Clichés".

Out came the cyclist,
Who must have been Pot Belged or
Slightly insane, but who looked rather bored.
Then the domestiques said "Feck!",
Each one on his Trek,
I shouted "Olé!" ev'ry time one was gored.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: benborp on 15 July, 2015, 04:55:41 pm
For some reason I'm reminded of Sandy Casar going on to win in a display of grace and artistry.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 15 July, 2015, 06:55:19 pm
But was he ever awarded both ears and the tail? ;)
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 15 July, 2015, 08:23:24 pm
I think you'll get your wish today! The main contenders are taking it relatively easily after yesterday's efforts. And Nibbles seems to have regained some mojo, so it might not all be lost for him.

I think Nibbles Tourmalised himself today; Mr Boardman reckons he'll be getting a note from his Mum excusing him from the rest of the race.

Also, why do all the people in the Skoda idents look like refugees from the Austro-Hungarian Empire?
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: TheLurker on 15 July, 2015, 08:24:40 pm
Tinfoil hat time.

World+dog seems to have been been banging on about Froome and whether or not he's riding clean, but interestingly no one seems to be pondering the (relatively*) dismal performance of Nibali this year after last year's performance.

I wouldn't have either, after all riders are not machines and it may just be that he's slightly under the weather, but Astana had a rash of doping +ve last year.  I think they were all after the TdF, but not 100% sure about that  though.  The result is that the cynic in me wonders whether doping was not confined to just the odd idiot or four in the team.

*If I was within 8 hours of CF after that many miles of riding never mind 8 minutes I'd be effing ecstatic.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: JennyB on 15 July, 2015, 08:26:37 pm
It looks like he's just overtaken Roadrunner.

He'd overtake me any day as I climb at about 40% of his pace.

He rode that last climb (10% average) at about the best pace I can manage on the flat!   :o
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: TheLurker on 15 July, 2015, 08:27:58 pm
Also, why do all the people in the Skoda idents look like refugees from the Austro-Hungarian Empire?
And what's with, "Fronting" the peloton?   Leading the? Ahead of? Yeah.  Fronting? don't be bloody silly.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Tim Hall on 15 July, 2015, 08:56:09 pm
(http://www.pbase.com/image/160749066.jpg)

Vachement.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: T42 on 15 July, 2015, 09:46:05 pm
So what was up that road recently? The writing's the wrong way round for the current follies.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 15 July, 2015, 09:47:07 pm
Also, why do all the people in the Skoda idents look like refugees from the Austro-Hungarian Empire?
And what's with, "Fronting" the peloton?   Leading the? Ahead of? Yeah.  Fronting? don't be bloody silly.

Oh good, I'm not the only person whose tits that gets on...
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: De Sisti on 16 July, 2015, 08:07:12 am
Anybody else thinks that Nibali will drop out of the race by the next rest day?
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: rafletcher on 16 July, 2015, 08:52:09 am
So what was up that road recently? The writing's the wrong way round for the current follies.

Well it looks like "Voeckler" on the road there - maybe they got the direction of ascent wrong!
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: madcow on 16 July, 2015, 09:03:48 am
"Anybody else thinks that Nibali will drop out of the race by the next rest day?"

Probably , and the medics will cite a bacterial  infection of some sort.
I was having the same thoughts as Lurker upthread.
For a defending champion Nibali is doing spectacularly badly in the mountains compared with all the other genuine GC contenders . Froome is just on another level again and Geraint Thomas has lost a bit of weight as well. They have clearly raised their game so that Froome has some support on the climbs other than just relying on Porte.
Even Dave Brailsford is looking thinner so diet must be something the whole team has embraced over winter.
The Sky tactics in the Pyrenees are now looking remarkably Armstrongesque. Pile on the pressure on the first major climb, see who cracks and then repeat. Except they didn't have to do much repeating.

Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: David Martin on 16 July, 2015, 09:13:40 am
The other thing they have done is to focus on being fit enough for where it matters. The specific training for the high cadence medium to long duration mountain accelerations. Makes a big difference if you can push the others into the red.
From the discussions it sounds like the attack on stage 10 was absolutely planned and specifically trained for.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 16 July, 2015, 09:14:36 am
So what was up that road recently? The writing's the wrong way round for the current follies.

Well it looks like "Voeckler" on the road there - maybe they got the direction of ascent wrong!

The Tourmalet does get used quite often in the TdF, so it's possible that a previous visit climbed it from the west, but I'm fairly sure that it's always done east-west. Might be worth trying to find stage guides to previous editions of the Tour...
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Poly Hive on 16 July, 2015, 09:19:20 am
Noted with interest last night that Froome intends to publish all the data that he has on himself. All the medical performance records and so on.

Neat move.

PH
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: TimC on 16 July, 2015, 09:34:47 am
And Nibbles seems to have regained some mojo, so it might not all be lost for him.

A spectator found the last remnants of his mojo, on the road, about 5km from the finish line.


Yes, I spoke too soon! As speculated above, I imagine he won't finish this TdF. I'm beginning to wonder if it's worth anyone but Sky and Sagan continuing to Paris. Today will probably answer that.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: benborp on 16 July, 2015, 09:35:55 am
The Tourmalet does get used quite often in the TdF, so it's possible that a previous visit climbed it from the west, but I'm fairly sure that it's always done east-west. Might be worth trying to find stage guides to previous editions of the Tour...

The Tour did the Tourmalet from both sides in 2010. The writing looks pretty old. Coastal roads round here (with year round heavy traffic) have slogans that last four years or so.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: matthew on 16 July, 2015, 09:41:32 am
"Anybody else thinks that Nibali will drop out of the race by the next rest day?"

Probably , and the medics will cite a bacterial  infection of some sort.
I was having the same thoughts as Lurker upthread.
For a defending champion Nibali is doing spectacularly badly in the mountains compared with all the other genuine GC contenders . Froome is just on another level again and Geraint Thomas has lost a bit of weight as well. They have clearly raised their game so that Froome has some support on the climbs other than just relying on Porte.
Even Dave Brailsford is looking thinner so diet must be something the whole team has embraced over winter.
The Sky tactics in the Pyrenees are now looking remarkably Armstrongesque. Pile on the pressure on the first major climb, see who cracks and then repeat. Except they didn't have to do much repeating.

My bold but as Porte's sky contract ends this year and he has said he will go else where to ride as a No.1 Sky have got to work out if they have other riders capable of being that first lieutenant / reserve GC option. With Thomas showing so well in the GC having lost some weight it may be that he will have to consider giving up some of his classics ambitions to support Frome / lead grand tour teams.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 16 July, 2015, 09:43:31 am
The Tourmalet does get used quite often in the TdF, so it's possible that a previous visit climbed it from the west, but I'm fairly sure that it's always done east-west. Might be worth trying to find stage guides to previous editions of the Tour...

The Tour did the Tourmalet from both sides in 2010. The writing looks pretty old. Coastal roads round here (with year round heavy traffic) have slogans that last four years or so.

Thanks.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: tiermat on 16 July, 2015, 12:22:38 pm
..and Dowsett retires.  Chapeau to him, though for sticking at it so long after his disasterous first stage.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 16 July, 2015, 02:01:41 pm
The Chuckle Brothers Phil 'n' Paul say Porte is hotly tipped to move to BMC, which doesn't bode well for van Garderen.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Nuncio on 16 July, 2015, 03:26:45 pm
He gets a little limelight after Cadel retires, then Porte comes along. Having said that, Porte's record in Grand Tours is hardly stellar

Grand Tour     2010   11   12   13   14   15
Pink jersey Giro   7   81    —    —    —   WD
Yellow jersey Tour    –   72   89   19   23   
red jersey Vuelta    —    —   68    —    —   

OK, most of that has been in support of Wiggins, Froome or Contador (?), but on the 2 occasions he's had the leadership (after Froome's retirement last year, and in this year's Giro) it's all fallen apart. TJvG has already finished 5th twice in the Tour.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: TimC on 16 July, 2015, 03:40:25 pm
Is Tejay planning to move? If not, I don't really understand a move to BMC for Richie. Tejay is younger , has had more success, and shows greater potential.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Veloman on 16 July, 2015, 05:58:40 pm
The Chuckle Brothers Phil 'n' Paul say Porte is hotly tipped to move to BMC, which doesn't bode well for van Garderen.

That has been on Velonews for quite a while now.

They could easily accommodate each other by riding separate grand tours, after all, there are 3 in the calendar in Europe.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Katie on 16 July, 2015, 06:55:03 pm
..and Dowsett retires.  Chapeau to him, though for sticking at it so long after his disasterous first stage.
…and with that hole in his arm!
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 16 July, 2015, 08:32:57 pm
After today I find myself wondering how long G will be prepared to play second banjo to Froome.

Meanwhile the Maillot Jaune podium girls were actually wearing trousers today :o  Whether this was a minor blow against sexism or just a charitable act on the part of the Organisators to stop their knees from turning the same colour as the Maillot Blanc podium girls' dresses is debatable.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: TimC on 16 July, 2015, 08:37:37 pm
After today I find myself wondering how long G will be prepared to play second banjo to Froome.

You mean like Froome and Wiggo...?
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Veloman on 16 July, 2015, 09:20:10 pm
After today I find myself wondering how long G will be prepared to play second banjo to Froome.

For as long as he gets paid to do that.

Sir Dave has already said that Thomas has the potential to become a GC contender and they have access to all the data; emphasis on the word potential.  IMO he is not quite there and we will see what happens next week in the Alps.  In the meantime, Thomas will continue to work for Froome and be way ahead in the banjo stakes when it comes to the classic races.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: De Sisti on 16 July, 2015, 09:30:09 pm
Has he abandoned yet? Nibali, I mean.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Veloman on 16 July, 2015, 09:38:27 pm
^^^^^^  You might this site useful:

http://www.letour.com/le-tour/2015/us/ (http://www.letour.com/le-tour/2015/us/)
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 16 July, 2015, 11:56:58 pm
Has he abandoned yet? Nibali, I mean.

It appears a spectator found Nibbles' mojo at the roadside and handed it in at the Astana team hotel on Wednesday night.  Though Vinokourov is said to be unimpressed and when it was pointed out that Nibbles still has a contract with Astana Vino said "are many kinds of contract" while making the shape of a pistol with his thumb and forefinger.

Possibly.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 17 July, 2015, 08:35:44 am
The other thing they have done is to focus on being fit enough for where it matters. The specific training for the high cadence medium to long duration mountain accelerations. Makes a big difference if you can push the others into the red.
From the discussions it sounds like the attack on stage 10 was absolutely planned and specifically trained for.
Sounds very likely to me. Fits with Brailsfords engineered approach to cycling as well.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: mcshroom on 17 July, 2015, 09:23:41 am
I watched that documentary on Chris Froome last night. Obviously put together before this year's tour, but it showed Sky attacks on early mountain stages of both 2012 (Froome & Wiggins) and 2013 (Froome). The tactics looked very similar to this year.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: tiermat on 17 July, 2015, 09:55:23 am
I watched that documentary on Chris Froome last night. Obviously put together before this year's tour, but it showed Sky attacks on early mountain stages of both 2012 (Froome & Wiggins) and 2013 (Froome). The tactics looked very similar to this year.

Indeed, Sky's tactics don't seem to change very much, why should they? They work, mostly.  This was why I wasn't surprised, yesterday, when all the jersey holders stayed back.  After all why waste energy when all those ahead of you have no chance of threatening your position, unless you fall off the back.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: matthew on 17 July, 2015, 10:44:46 am
Yep, it could be a very good tour for the hilly breakaways. I doubt they will stay away on the flat as the sprinters teams will be looking to pull them back but in the mountains unless a leading contender goes up the road Sky have no motivation to do anything other than mark movistar. Therefore days like yesterday when riders are already circa 20 minutes back go away no one is seeking to bring them back, OK you only get one day in the limelight as you regain 6 minutes and become a potential threat but you get your stage win.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: T42 on 17 July, 2015, 11:15:10 am
Apart from the mountains, my ideal stage simply for entertainment value would be a flat one where the échappé puts one over on the pack and one of them wins the stage.  I'm sick of seeing sprinters thugging it out over the last 200 metres when they've been carried there in armchairs.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Katie on 17 July, 2015, 03:33:00 pm
Boss has pointed out that, basically, why shouldn't Sky be doing well? - they're a very well funded team, they've got several strong riders... and >1 GC contender means that they can help each other out so they're not exhausting themselves, the same way other teams with only one GC rider do.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: TimC on 17 July, 2015, 04:35:06 pm
What a great stage! I felt so sorry for the breakaway, but they did incredibly well. Very exciting finale.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Tim Hall on 17 July, 2015, 04:35:49 pm
Unlikely I know, but did Peter Sagan sit up at the last moment?
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: TimC on 17 July, 2015, 04:37:57 pm
Yes, looked like it. I think he'd given his all up the hill, but it wasn't quite enough. I'm sure he knew there was a reasonable gap to third.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: T42 on 17 July, 2015, 04:43:13 pm
Péraud. Ouch.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Chris S on 17 July, 2015, 05:29:34 pm
Péraud. Ouch.

Yes - every bit as bad as you can imagine, falling off onto rough top-dressing at 50kph  :o

Fair play to him for carrying on - and bonus points for doing domestique duties on his way back through the pack! He's going to stick to the sheets tonight though  :-X.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Katie on 17 July, 2015, 05:50:57 pm
Was genuinely torn at the end there, Van Avermaet's win was super deserved but god, Sagan tries so hard!

Am bemused by comments like "Sagan showing how much he loves second place"... you'd be pissed too, if you'd lost a stage with less than a second gap!
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: TimC on 17 July, 2015, 05:59:42 pm
Sagan was pissed off with himself - he reckons he missed his opportunity to go just a little earlier than he did. He did his best, but it wasn't to be. I wonder if he's just lost a bit of the old Sagan chutzpah? A bit of a knock to his confidence, especially with his boss giving him a hard time? I've no doubt he'll get it back; he's way too talented not to get a stage win soon, and he must still be favourite for the Green Jersey in Paris.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: T42 on 17 July, 2015, 09:35:51 pm
Péraud. Ouch.

Yes - every bit as bad as you can imagine, falling off onto rough top-dressing at 50kph  :o

Fair play to him for carrying on - and bonus points for doing domestique duties on his way back through the pack! He's going to stick to the sheets tonight though  :-X.

No bones broken so he says he's carrying on. Kudos.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Andrew Br on 17 July, 2015, 11:04:20 pm
Does anyone else think that Froome's "yellow" bike looks more like a Boardman than a Pinarello ?

Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Nuncio on 17 July, 2015, 11:14:56 pm
Unlikely I know, but did Peter Sagan sit up at the last moment?

I saw one slo-mo where he seemed to be doing a bike-throw as if over the line. But then, yes, as he did cross the line it looked as if he was sitting up.  There was a line across the road about 15 meters before the proper one. Is it possible he misjudged where the line was?
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 18 July, 2015, 05:23:19 pm
Cracking finish to the stage today.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: woollypigs on 18 July, 2015, 07:53:54 pm
"Fans" are keen this year. G got punched the other day and Froomie got a urine wash.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: mcshroom on 18 July, 2015, 08:24:45 pm
It was Porte that got punched. I think if you punched G then the retaliation would be rather painful. Apparently the French media are making increasingly less veiled comments about Sky doping.

Not looking good according to this article - http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/racing/tour-de-france/team-sky-raise-the-alarm-as-tour-de-france-fans-turn-violent-183186

You have to wonder why sky in particular get the aggression, anything to do with them being British?
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Chris S on 18 July, 2015, 08:28:21 pm
You have to wonder why sky in particular get the aggression, anything to do with them being British?

Nah. Because they're always on the front.

Think back to school - the gobby kid who was always teacher's pet. Didn't he/she get a proper ragging/beating in the playground?

Nobody likes a smartarse, and that goes for pro-cycling teams as much as Hermione Granger.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: mcshroom on 18 July, 2015, 08:30:07 pm
I'd bet that if it was FDJ in the same position there would be far less hostility.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 18 July, 2015, 08:39:50 pm
FDJ aren't as obviously doping.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: jamesld8 on 18 July, 2015, 08:47:11 pm
FDJ aren't as obviously doping.

is your implication that Sky are?
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: rafletcher on 18 July, 2015, 09:07:20 pm
FDJ aren't as obviously doping.

is your implication that Sky are?

Seems more a definite statement not an implication. A statement that they're all doping..
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: mcshroom on 18 July, 2015, 09:09:55 pm
G's take on things: -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/33579978
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 18 July, 2015, 09:35:54 pm
The media scrambling to get quotes from people who played no small part in generating the trust issues that cycling has, in order to write inflammatory copy about a lack of trust, is like getting marriage guidance counselling from the man who's been screwing your wife.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: jamesld8 on 18 July, 2015, 09:37:46 pm
FDJ aren't as obviously doping.

is your implication that Sky are?

Seems more a definite statement not an implication. A statement that they're all doping..

whilst it`s easy to accuse how easy is it to explain how with the range of very precise tests, capable of detecting nanograms of chemicals, have failed to catch any one out ?  I find it very difficult to see how if all teams are doping as the implication appears to be no-one has been discovered ? Maybe some can swop samples out but not everyone. I`m sure that after Armstrong testing will have been even more rigorous or is the implication going much deeper in that like FIFA there seems to be `corporate` corruption in the sport?
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Deano on 18 July, 2015, 09:45:08 pm
FDJ aren't as obviously doping.

is your implication that Sky are?

Seems more a definite statement not an implication. A statement that they're all doping..

whilst it`s easy to accuse how easy is it to explain how with the range of very precise tests, capable of detecting nanograms of chemicals, have failed to catch any one out ?  I find it very difficult to see how if all teams are doping as the implication appears to be no-one has been discovered ? Maybe some can swop samples out but not everyone. I`m sure that after Armstrong testing will have been even more rigorous or is the implication going much deeper in that like FIFA there seems to be `corporate` corruption in the sport?

Wow, where have you been?

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/mar/09/lance-armstrong-uci-colluded-circ-report-cycling

Anyway - it was a great finish to today's race, shame I fell asleep for it...
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 18 July, 2015, 09:46:33 pm
I've not said that all riders are doping.

If you believe that the current tests (including the blood passport) can't be circumvented, you are naive. Doping tests are mostly intelligence tests. Combine that with little official appetite (for whatever reason) for actually catching dopers and massive rewards for successfully doping and you have a recipe for widespread doping.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: David Martin on 18 July, 2015, 10:57:41 pm
Doping tests are difficult. There are some analytical chemists and biochemists on here who could tell you just how hard it is to detect abnormalities. Some things are very easy, like metabolites of cocaine (or steak) but these are not necessarily conclusive and some can arise through legitimate reasons.

A team with a good backup can obviously identify ways to circumvent the bio passport (microdosing) etc. but what the testing regime does do is not necessarily to catch the cheats but to limit the amount of cheating that is possible. In that case it is actually working.

Sure there will always be those that cheat - sticky bottles, sheltering behind team cars are all against the rules but tolerated to an extent.

There will be riders on the tour who are or have been doping. Typically they will not be the big names but the domestiques who don't have the capability to be right up there.

Are Sky doping? I doubt it. They have taken a igorous approach to exercise science. Reading the differences brought in by Sky and their targeted training approaches (you want to get good in the mountains, train properly in the mountains at altitude) it is not surprising that htey have stolen a march on the other teams. It will be a few years before the more enlightened catch up, Tim Kerrison will make a fortune and then it wil be back to a level playing field but with a much higher bar for entry in terms of team organisation, training and targeting specific races.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 18 July, 2015, 11:06:42 pm
Cracking finish to the stage today.  :thumbsup:

This.  I could almost hear it:

Pinot: Do some work, man!
Bardet: You're in front, you do it!

Grams: WHOOOOOOSSSSHHH!

Pinot & Bardet: Where the fuck did he come from?
Cummings: Take that, FOREIGN Johnnies!
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 18 July, 2015, 11:35:18 pm
It was Porte that got punched. I think if you punched G then the retaliation would be rather painful. Apparently the French media are making increasingly less veiled comments about Sky doping.

Not looking good according to this article - http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/racing/tour-de-france/team-sky-raise-the-alarm-as-tour-de-france-fans-turn-violent-183186

Laurent Jalabert, eh?  'nuff said.

You have to wonder why sky in particular get the aggression, anything to do with them being British?

Not so much British as such, but riders and teams from the English-speaking world have historically had a hard time from the hometown media.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: jamesld8 on 19 July, 2015, 06:15:03 am
I've not said that all riders are doping.

If you believe that the current tests (including the blood passport) can't be circumvented, you are naive. Doping tests are mostly intelligence tests. Combine that with little official appetite (for whatever reason) for actually catching dopers and massive rewards for successfully doping and you have a recipe for widespread doping.

Fair enough---what`s disappointing though is the fact that once a team / rider become outstanding then there`s an almost automatic reaction that it`s a drug induced performance success rather than sheer hard work, determination.

Re detecting substances from my distant biochemical background I do recognise difficulties in detecting substances, particularly new substances with an unknown fingerprint, but also know just how sensitive eg GC mass spectrometry can be once a substances signature is known, it is in the nanogram level
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: T42 on 19 July, 2015, 07:31:02 am
...
Are Sky doping? I doubt it. They have taken a igorous approach to exercise science. Reading the differences brought in by Sky and their targeted training approaches (you want to get good in the mountains, train properly in the mountains at altitude) it is not surprising that htey have stolen a march on the other teams. It will be a few years before the more enlightened catch up, Tim Kerrison will make a fortune and then it wil be back to a level playing field but with a much higher bar for entry in terms of team organisation, training and targeting specific races.

...which means that lower-budget teams are at a hellish disadvantage.  Europcar had to struggle to collect enough for a 2015 licence, eventually managing €8 million, while Saxo-Tinkoff's 2015 budget is "unlimited but less than Sky" says Tinkoff, which I suppose means that his pockets are deep but he hasn't spent that much yet. In 2012 Sky had roughly €25 million.  Which means that if Sky want to train at 4000 metres in Mexico or a mile up in Boulder they can.  The traditional French winter-training ground is the Atlas mountains, but not these days unless you want to risk kidnapping & beheading.  The cheap alternative, riding a turbo in a hypobaric chamber, was banned by the UCI about 5 minutes after someone thought of it.

In any case, every rider and every team that has ever won a TdF has been accused of doping.  And yes, if Froome were French the crowd would probably not be throwing piss at him, they'd be hoping that the tests wouldn't be positive.  The same would be happening if a French rider were winning an equivalent British race, or a Finn a German race.  It's not a matter of good old British sportsmanship vs dastardly Gallic partisanship, it's a matter of there being arseholes in every nation and the media loving to give them prominence for the sake of copy.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Aunt Maud on 19 July, 2015, 07:58:07 am
Maybe they just can't stand the thought of being wiped by the English again, in their race and on their home turf.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: jamesld8 on 19 July, 2015, 08:00:33 am
Wow, where have you been?

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/mar/09/lance-armstrong-uci-colluded-circ-report-cycling

Anyway - it was a great finish to today's race, shame I fell asleep for it...

Obviously I`m well out of touch with this , even though I don`t read The Guardian!  Suitably enlightened now and dismayed too
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: T42 on 19 July, 2015, 08:22:02 am
Maybe they just can't stand the thought of being wiped by the English again, in their race and on their home turf.

I don't think they give a shit.  The French do not regard the English the way the English regard the French.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Ham on 19 July, 2015, 08:30:03 am
Maybe they just can't stand the thought of being wiped by the English again, in their race and on their home turf.

I don't think they give a shit.  The French do not regard the English the way the English regard the French.

Not all, and I recognise your first hand experience, but perfide Albion is still in the national psyche, I think.

ETA Fascinatingly (FCVO, natch) according to this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-British_sentiment France is more pro british than the british  ;D

Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Aunt Maud on 19 July, 2015, 08:32:59 am
Grégory Baugé got very upset when he was beaten royally by Jason Kenny.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: T42 on 19 July, 2015, 09:38:41 am
One swallow. Had to look it up (wonderful how much time you can waste on such stuff). According to Graun he was genuinely upset but not by the fact that Kenny was British, he was simply gobsmacked because he expected to beat him based on their past history.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Aunt Maud on 19 July, 2015, 12:17:25 pm
Accusations of magic wheels ??

Isabelle Gautheron "The British must be using Magic wheels" Or did she really mean Mavic ?   ;) Of course she wouldn't mention the D word, coz that would be like a game of pot, kettle, black.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: mcshroom on 19 July, 2015, 12:20:59 pm
The really round ones? ;D
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Aunt Maud on 19 July, 2015, 12:33:56 pm
Zut alors ! Zeee Iiiingleesh with their spinny mavgic wheels.

Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: T42 on 19 July, 2015, 01:02:47 pm
Amusing but hardly anti-British.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Ham on 19 July, 2015, 01:25:43 pm
Been looking at l'equipe, can't detect anti British sentiment there, but that might be my French.

Talking of which, I would appreciate someone translating this phrase for me from http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Chez-sky-les-gars-ont-peur/575360

Quote
Je suis français et je ne le vis pas très bien.

I'm French so I couldn't see it properly ? ? ? ? ?
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: rafletcher on 19 July, 2015, 01:25:52 pm
I've not said that all riders are doping.

Ok, how about "Sky are obviously doping, FDJ are doping but less obviously". That a fairer interpretation?
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: T42 on 19 July, 2015, 02:12:43 pm
Been looking at l'equipe, can't detect anti British sentiment there, but that might be my French.

Talking of which, I would appreciate someone translating this phrase for me from http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Chez-sky-les-gars-ont-peur/575360

Quote
Je suis français et je ne le vis pas très bien.

I'm French so I couldn't see it properly ? ? ? ? ?

Not voir, but vivre.  Means "...I don't take it very well"
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Ham on 19 July, 2015, 02:49:47 pm
Been looking at l'equipe, can't detect anti British sentiment there, but that might be my French.

Talking of which, I would appreciate someone translating this phrase for me from http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Chez-sky-les-gars-ont-peur/575360

Quote
Je suis français et je ne le vis pas très bien.

I'm French so I couldn't see it properly ? ? ? ? ?

Not voir, but vivre.  Means "...I don't take it very well"

Ah. I'd say thanks, (and of course, the answer to que vivez-vous?) but I think I prefer my version  ;D
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 19 July, 2015, 03:18:44 pm
Gary Imlach is being spectacularly rude about Jalabert :)
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Aunt Maud on 19 July, 2015, 03:43:38 pm
Amusing but hardly anti-British.

Hmmm.........nope, I didn't say anything about The French being anti-British.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: T42 on 19 July, 2015, 04:29:31 pm
Ah go on.
Been looking at l'equipe, can't detect anti British sentiment there, but that might be my French.

Talking of which, I would appreciate someone translating this phrase for me from http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Chez-sky-les-gars-ont-peur/575360

Quote
Je suis français et je ne le vis pas très bien.

I'm French so I couldn't see it properly ? ? ? ? ?

Not voir, but vivre.  Means "...I don't take it very well"

Ah. I'd say thanks, (and of course, the answer to que vivez-vous?) but I think I prefer my version  ;D

Bof.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 19 July, 2015, 07:14:46 pm
Gary Imlach is being spectacularly rude about Jalabert :)

Just watched the start of the highlights - Matt Rendell putting Jaja on the spot for being a hypocritical troll was most amusing.  ;D
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 19 July, 2015, 07:21:31 pm
Kwiatowski having a bit of a moment/showing off his madskillz: http://gfycat.com/AdeptBlushingFawn
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Veloman on 19 July, 2015, 07:21:40 pm
^^^^^ And Gary I showing what a liar Jalabert is as he flatly denied saying things he actually said.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 19 July, 2015, 07:31:37 pm
Bike racers don't sprint in separate lanes and it isn't a non-contact sport. I have no problems with 'muscular' sprinting.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 19 July, 2015, 07:49:41 pm
The Europcar rider, Cocquard, was already going backwards relative to the eventual top four and had veered over to the left just before Sagan was starting to come out of Degenkolb's slipstream.

There has been some fallout from an incident that occurred when Sagan stopped to change his bike for one more suited for a bunch sprint finish - one of the Tinkoff-Saxo mechanics chucked a bidon at a moto-cameraman for apparently blocking Sagan when he wanted to pull over and stop. As a result, Sean Yates has fallen foul of the rule that the driver is responsible for the behaviour of the passengers in his car - he's copped a one-day ban from the tour caravan.

 http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tinkoff-saxo-director-yates-ejected-from-tour-de-france-for-bottle-toss

<Columbo> And one more thing... https://twitter.com/ronnyjowe/status/622418263083995136?lang=en </Columbo>
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 19 July, 2015, 08:28:44 pm
I've not said that all riders are doping.

Ok, how about "Sky are obviously doping, FDJ are doping but less obviously". That a fairer interpretation?

"At least some of Sky" and "FDJ may be"
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 19 July, 2015, 08:33:16 pm
In any case, every rider and every team that has ever won a TdF has been accused of doping.

I don't believe that Lemond has ever been accused of doping by anybody other than Armstrong and that was on the basis that Armstrong believed it was basically impossible to win it without doping.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: mcshroom on 19 July, 2015, 10:09:01 pm
Oops - this is a silly way to get yourself thrown off the tour: -
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Tour de France juries are known to be harsh every now and again, but Bretagne-Séché Environnement rider Eduardo Sepulveda can have few complaints after grabbing a lift for a few hundred metres on stage 14.

The Argentinian was disqualified at the finish of stage for hopping in a team car on the final climb up to Mende – but not his own car, one of rival French team Ag2r-La Mondiale.
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/racing/tour-de-france/rider-kicked-off-tour-de-france-for-hitching-a-lift-in-another-teams-car-183239
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 19 July, 2015, 10:19:40 pm
Exactly the sort of behaviour we've come to expect from Johnny Gaucho
</1986 World Cup>
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 19 July, 2015, 10:53:28 pm
^^^^^ And Gary I showing what a liar Jalabert is as he flatly denied saying things he actually said.

Jaja?  Jar-Jar, more like.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 19 July, 2015, 11:10:21 pm
Oops - this is a silly way to get yourself thrown off the tour: -
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Tour de France juries are known to be harsh every now and again, but Bretagne-Séché Environnement rider Eduardo Sepulveda can have few complaints after grabbing a lift for a few hundred metres on stage 14.

The Argentinian was disqualified at the finish of stage for hopping in a team car on the final climb up to Mende – but not his own car, one of rival French team Ag2r-La Mondiale.
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/racing/tour-de-france/rider-kicked-off-tour-de-france-for-hitching-a-lift-in-another-teams-car-183239

Pffft. Compared with riders in the 1904 edition, he's a mere dilettante.  :demon:

Quote from: The Book of Wookie
... Chevallier, who had finished third, was disqualified for resting in a car for 45 minutes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1904_Tour_de_France#Race_incidents).
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: rafletcher on 20 July, 2015, 01:08:26 pm
Ah, Pete Kennaugh has packed  :-\
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Auntie Helen on 20 July, 2015, 04:37:35 pm
Wow, that looked awful for Geraint Thomas.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Veloman on 20 July, 2015, 04:44:48 pm
I only saw it in replay as I decided not to watch the descent and was only listening to the commentary.

He seemed OK when he crossed the line and let us hope he is injury free.  No doubt he will play it down, but he appeared to be so lucky.

Update ^ "comedy interview of the year" and appears more concerned with loss of glasses.  Phew!

Great win by Plaza.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 20 July, 2015, 05:28:09 pm
Quote
@velocast: While, thankfully, @GeraintThomas86 is ok, it's unknown how long the citizens of Gap will be without landline telephone connectivity.

 ;D
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 20 July, 2015, 05:33:56 pm
Barguil's blaming TVG, and from watching a replay, it does look both were coming in too hot on the inside - TVG nearly took out Quintana...

https://twitter.com/james__fairbank/status/623157976900239360

(for non UK viewers) http://cyclocosm.tumblr.com/post/124581311881/for-those-of-you-outside-the-uk-this-is-a-pretty
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Veloman on 20 July, 2015, 05:39:30 pm
And the Points classification is:

Sagan at 405
Greipel at 316

Sagan has been superb in his pursuit of the Green jersey.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Veloman on 20 July, 2015, 05:43:22 pm
The view from Team Sky:

http://www.teamsky.com/teamsky/home/article/59322#3HQ6RRH6EoTYiFyI.97 (http://www.teamsky.com/teamsky/home/article/59322#3HQ6RRH6EoTYiFyI.97)
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: mcshroom on 20 July, 2015, 09:43:38 pm
Grumble. BBC News "Outside Source" are doing a story on Froome. Nothing about the cycling, all about the doping allegations >:(
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 20 July, 2015, 10:42:00 pm
Never mind orl dat, how's the telegraph pole?  I heard it was planning to sue G for assault.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 20 July, 2015, 11:27:02 pm
Never mind orl dat, how's the telegraph pole?

It's doing about as well as can be expected.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: TimC on 21 July, 2015, 09:43:47 am
I really enjoyed watching that descent! Sagan's bike control wasn't as good as it has been - he was on the ragged edge more than once, but his speed on the straights was amazing. G's recovery after yet another Barguil accident was inspirational, and I loved the post-ride interview! But full credit to Plaza; that was an excellent win.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Pingu on 21 July, 2015, 09:53:05 am
He won fair and square.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Legs on 22 July, 2015, 06:51:39 am
Ho ho!  ::-)
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Pingu on 22 July, 2015, 09:02:18 am
IGMC
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Peter on 22 July, 2015, 09:27:44 am
And indeed finished in first place.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: rafletcher on 22 July, 2015, 09:30:39 am
And French law prevents "night time" drug testing....

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/night-time-doping-tests-blocked-by-french-law-at-tour-de-france

Wonder what Marc Madiot's take in that is.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: T42 on 22 July, 2015, 10:19:07 am
Dunno but if anyone woke me up with a needle or a piss bottle in the middle of the night they'd go away walking funny.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Asterix, the former Gaul. on 22 July, 2015, 02:03:46 pm
He's got a 'big engine'..  I am sick of that cliche..  As a parrot.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: rafletcher on 22 July, 2015, 02:18:14 pm
He's got a 'big engine'..  I am sick of that cliche..  As a parrot.

Yes the "big diesel engine" phrase does seem to be getting over-used this year - I'm usually indifferent to the vagaries of the commentary, but that ones getting to me.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Si_Co on 22 July, 2015, 02:22:59 pm
I did enjoy the interview with Jens last night, he was entertaining as a rider but as a pundit he's hilarious, Gary Imlach looked totally bemused.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 22 July, 2015, 04:21:42 pm
When he started going on about taking his kids to the zoo and wondering whether it was the Voigt family or the monkeys who were inside the cage I wondered if he'd been at the brass polish on the rest day.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: spesh on 22 July, 2015, 05:42:29 pm
Every time I see pictures of Simon Geschke, I'm convinced there's a hipster coffee shop missing one of its baristas. :demon:
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Dibdib on 22 July, 2015, 06:10:07 pm
Well someone's got to fill in for Paolini.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Veloman on 22 July, 2015, 09:36:52 pm
It must be so hot cycling in that heat with the beard as well.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 22 July, 2015, 09:49:37 pm
He'll have lovely hair, with all that German engineering though.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Katie on 23 July, 2015, 12:17:55 am
Gary Imlach is being spectacularly rude about Jalabert :)

Just watched the start of the highlights - Matt Rendell putting Jaja on the spot for being a hypocritical troll was most amusing.  ;D
Ooooh which day is the vid shown in? Boss tried to send me it but it had been taken down by some sporting agency or other by the time I clicked...

Wow, that looked awful for Geraint Thomas.
One might say he was in pole position.

Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Salvatore on 23 July, 2015, 05:44:27 am
Gary Imlach is being spectacularly rude about Jalabert :)

Just watched the start of the highlights - Matt Rendell putting Jaja on the spot for being a hypocritical troll was most amusing.  ;D
Ooooh which day is the vid shown in? Boss tried to send me it but it had been taken down by some sporting agency or other by the time I clicked...

This link works

http://www.itv.com/tourdefrance/video-itv-reporter-matt-rendell-confronts-laurent-jalabert-over-froome-comments
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Post by: Asterix, the former Gaul. on 23 July, 2015, 06:16:01 am
Every time I see pictures of Simon Geschke, I'm convinced there's a hipster coffee shop missing one of its baristas. :demon:

A role model for all (male?) Costa and Starbucks staff.

Thibaut Pinot's descending was abysmal(!) Hardly surprising he fell off.  He must have written the manual: 'How to fall off on a descent in one easy lesson."   
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Post by: Mr Larrington on 23 July, 2015, 08:25:16 am
Looked to me as though his wheel just clipped the green "Pra Loup" painted on the road, which might have been enough to make the bike slide.  Ask Nigel Mansell about the road markings in Monaco :demon:
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Post by: Riggers on 23 July, 2015, 08:46:38 am
I don't blame Pinot's hesitancy after that fall (and so glad he fell in towards the road, rather than the outside!) as it might, by professionals, have been considered a 'normal' turn, when "BAM!", off he comes. He must have thought, "If I come off on something like that, what's the rest of the descent gonna be like? So, easy Tiger!"
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Post by: Veloman on 23 July, 2015, 08:56:59 am
Looked to me as though his wheel just clipped the green "Pra Loup" painted on the road, which might have been enough to make the bike slide.  Ask Nigel Mansell about the road markings in Monaco :demon:

He misses that as can be seen by replay:

http://www.itv.com/tourdefrance

Also the commentary by Sherwin is insightful.

I have read of folk in the peleton saying that applying the brakes on the carbon rims takes a while for it to 'happen' and then can suddenly bite.  A few riders have 'locked' their wheels on descents and I think Sherwin got it spot on.
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Post by: rafletcher on 23 July, 2015, 02:06:51 pm
Gonna be tough for Cav on Sunday - Kwiatkowski out yesterday, and now Renshaw abandons.
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Post by: mcshroom on 23 July, 2015, 02:13:51 pm
Back to sniping mode for Cav then. I think he often looks better when he's picking his own wheels than following the team lead out.
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Post by: fuzzy on 23 July, 2015, 02:22:25 pm
Looked to me as though his wheel just clipped the green "Pra Loup" painted on the road, which might have been enough to make the bike slide.  Ask Nigel Mansell about the road markings in Monaco :demon:

He misses that as can be seen by replay:

http://www.itv.com/tourdefrance

Also the commentary by Sherwin is insightful.

I have read of folk in the peleton saying that applying the brakes on the carbon rims takes a while for it to 'happen' and then can suddenly bite.  A few riders have 'locked' their wheels on descents and I think Sherwin got it spot on.

I noticed that he had just started turning his pedals as his back wheel skipped out so don't think he was under braking. The audio on the Eurosport vid has a bit of a clatter as the wheel skips. I wonder if he grounded a pedal or the turning of the pedal put just enough power into the back wheel to cause it to go out from under him?
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Post by: T42 on 23 July, 2015, 02:54:42 pm
^^^I just stepped through the video. You can't see the pedal touching all that clearly, but what you can see is light under the back wheel, that wouldn't have come from a simple skid:

(http://www.pbase.com/image/160817332.jpg)

So I reckon he touched and the back end lifted. Rather him than me.

What impresses me most with these guys is the way they can take a purler like that, hop back on and continue.  OK, Pinot wasn't exactly descending well immediately after, but today he's back in there, as are Péraud and Thomas. Chapeau.
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Post by: Asterix, the former Gaul. on 23 July, 2015, 03:39:16 pm
I'd have had the pedals at quarter to three on that bend.  He's also sitting very upright at such a point when he needed to get his weight as low as possible and his arms are too straight.

Us bleedin' amateurs have it more difficult than the pros since our hairpins have upcoming traffic on them!  It's all too easy to lean over the line if you aren't careful.
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Post by: T42 on 23 July, 2015, 04:39:44 pm
The French TV guys were just saying that Bardet had reconnoitred the Allos descent with oncoming traffic. Must have been fun.
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Post by: Mrs Pingu on 23 July, 2015, 10:11:14 pm
So today, did Fuglsang run into the motorbike that was passing?
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Post by: Pingu on 23 July, 2015, 10:13:09 pm
I thought Pinot's pedal hit the ground when I saw the replays yesterday. I also thought his body was on the wrong side of the bike when cornering (I bet he still descends faster than me though).
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Post by: andrew_s on 23 July, 2015, 10:18:37 pm
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/racing/tour-de-france/jakob-fuglsang-knocked-off-by-a-motorbike-during-tour-de-france-stage-18-video-184141

I agree with Pinot's pedal strike too.
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Post by: Mr Larrington on 24 July, 2015, 07:23:13 am
Watched it again last night and I now think that grounding the left pedal was indeed the cause.

Surprising to hear that the last climb of yesterday's stage hadn't been used before; as a baby Alpe d'Huez or Stelvio it's dead telegenic.
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Post by: Riggers on 24 July, 2015, 08:56:31 am
Beautiful wasn't it? Glad they had them climbing it rather than descending. Would have been carnage otherwise.
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Post by: TimC on 24 July, 2015, 09:59:48 am
Didn't they use it in the Dauphiné as well?
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Post by: Chris S on 24 July, 2015, 01:07:49 pm
Bloody Hell. That kicked off quick, didn't it?  :o
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Post by: Nuncio on 24 July, 2015, 02:19:23 pm
Didn't they use it in the Dauphiné as well?

Yes, with television coverage starting just as they'd crested it.

I read/heard somewhere that it hadn't been used earlier because most people passing by on the valley road assume it's a goat track.
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Post by: TimC on 24 July, 2015, 03:22:13 pm
Hell of a day today. No rest for Froome. Nibbles seems intent on suicide!
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Post by: Chris S on 24 July, 2015, 03:46:01 pm
Hell of a day today. No rest for Froome. Nibbles seems intent on suicide!

Indeed. And the spring seems to have finally gone from Geraint Thomas' bungee :(.
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Post by: TimC on 24 July, 2015, 03:55:19 pm
Yes, he's not having a great day. Very sad; I thought he was in with a shot of the podium. However, I'm loving these downhill shots!
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Post by: T42 on 24 July, 2015, 04:02:31 pm
I'm watching it full screen on the computer and leaning into the curves.  Hope I don't crash.
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Post by: Ham on 24 July, 2015, 04:25:22 pm
Hell of a day today. No rest for Froome. Nibbles seems intent on suicide!

Bit of a fundamental difference from his performance at the start of the tour, despite the riding that has gone on in between. I wonder how this might be reported in the French press?
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Post by: fuzzy on 24 July, 2015, 04:29:38 pm
Swapped planets?
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Post by: Otto on 24 July, 2015, 04:40:30 pm
Phil and Paul don't half talk bollocks
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Post by: woollypigs on 24 July, 2015, 04:47:26 pm
Come on!
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Post by: woollypigs on 24 July, 2015, 04:51:36 pm
oooh tomorrow will be fun :)
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Post by: tippers_kiwi on 24 July, 2015, 04:59:58 pm
Phil and Paul don't half talk bollocks
+1
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Post by: TimC on 24 July, 2015, 05:16:51 pm
oooh tomorrow will be fun :)

Today was one of the hardest stages I've seen in a long while. Tomorrow could be even harder. Who wants it most? Quintana could do this.
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Post by: jamesld8 on 24 July, 2015, 05:34:42 pm
Will today become known as `stone gate` ? Froome not impressed about Nibali taking off when he did and it`s a pity as, for me, it slightly sours a fabulous ride by Nibali---particulary as he denies seeing Froome`s problem whilst TV footgae seems show he had clearly noted it. Will make tomorrow `fun` :thumbsup:
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Post by: spesh on 24 July, 2015, 05:37:53 pm
Phil and Paul don't half talk bollocks

Oh good, it wasn't just me who was shouting at the TV for the Chuckle Brothers to drink from the nice big mug of STFU.

The final part of today's stage was marred by just about the most irritating bout of commentating logorrhea I have ever experienced.

Sometimes, less is more.
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Post by: spesh on 24 July, 2015, 05:40:56 pm
oooh tomorrow will be fun :)

Today was one of the hardest stages I've seen in a long while. Tomorrow could be even harder. Who wants it most? Quintana could do this.

Only if he's willing to gamble and attacks on the way up the Croix de Fer - sitting on and waiting for the final climb like he did today won't suffice.
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Post by: Dibdib on 24 July, 2015, 06:28:15 pm
Phil and Paul don't half talk bollocks

Oh good, it wasn't just me who was shouting at the TV for the Chuckle Brothers to drink from the nice big mug of STFU.

The final part of today's stage was marred by just about the most irritating bout of commentating logorrhea I have ever experienced.

Sometimes, less is more.

Reading this makes my Eurosport Player subscription so much better value for money ;-) Although I have to be in the right mood for Carlton and Sean, too...
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Post by: Chris S on 24 July, 2015, 06:29:47 pm
Listening to the crowds when Froome was on camera - he was getting lots of boos. He's not very popular, is he?
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Post by: mcshroom on 24 July, 2015, 06:35:34 pm
Are they Boos or 'Froome'?

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Post by: toontra on 24 July, 2015, 06:52:24 pm
Saw one old geezer giving him the "forearm jerk" so close and forcefully that he nearly knocked him off the bike.  No misunderstanding that!
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Post by: Dibdib on 24 July, 2015, 07:05:12 pm
No misunderstanding the guy who spat on him, either.

French fans... they don't like it up 'em, do they Captain Mainwaring?
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Post by: Mr Larrington on 24 July, 2015, 07:42:42 pm
Dashed unsporting of Nibbles to attack like that ;)  Beastly FOREIGN trick.

Shame about G but he's worked his donkey off for the whole race.
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Post by: Dibdib on 24 July, 2015, 08:01:34 pm
Shame about G but he's worked his donkey off for the whole race.

Agreed - and with Porte off, I hope they give G a crack at next year's Vuelta. I reckon he's earned it. I'd like him to have a go at the Giro but will Sky decide they need him fresh for the Tour?
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Post by: Canardly on 24 July, 2015, 08:04:16 pm
Accusing 'em of using mini electric motors now - strewth.
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Post by: Jaded on 24 July, 2015, 10:57:54 pm
Are they Boos or 'Froome'?

Being there I decided it was similar to Joe Root and Luke Donald...

It made the boos more palatable..
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Post by: Jaded on 24 July, 2015, 11:26:36 pm
Had great fun today.

Here's a few quick ones.

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/Tour_2015_1.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/Tour_2015_2.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/Tour_2015_3.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/Tour_2015_4.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/Tour_2015_5.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/Tour_2015_6.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/Tour_2015_7.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/Tour_2015_8.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/Tour_2015_9.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/Tour_2015_10.jpg)
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Post by: Asterix, the former Gaul. on 25 July, 2015, 07:44:42 am
oooh tomorrow will be fun :)

+1. 

I got the impression Froome is looking forward to it.
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Post by: T42 on 25 July, 2015, 08:28:05 am
Are they Boos or 'Froome'?

Boos.  The podium on Sunday isn't likely to be very edifying but at least he'll be out of spitting range.

What the fans are seeing is one guy with a strong team who has clamped a tight lid on the proceedings and is crushing anyone who attacks him.  It seems that's how the Tour is won these days, and it smacks of the Armstrong years; so automatically he's accused of doping because anything else is too complex for the thickos to understand.  It doesn't help that despite all of Armstrong's "never tested positive" protestations and the support he got from the authorities, from around his second Tour win the fans were shouting "dope" at him, and years later they were shown to be right.  Anyone whose Tour-winning machine works will get the same treatment.

The funny thing is that Movistar have a good team, which is allowing Quintana to put a bit of a crack in Froome's plaster, but nobody is shouting at them.  Take Froome and Sky out of the picture, however, and they'd be the target.  Alberto's losing but the S-T boyos are up there with him and I haven't heard anyone complaining.  The key point is that neither of them is winning.

I'm sorry for Froome, who looks clean to me.  I'm pleased he's defending his lead, but it does seem a little too coldly methodical and slightly boring. The battles for stage wins and the other jerseys are much more interesting.
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Post by: Chris S on 25 July, 2015, 03:26:09 pm
No doubting the Boos on the Alpe today  ::-)
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Post by: woollypigs on 25 July, 2015, 03:57:33 pm
wow just wow now that was a bike race.
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Post by: sg37409 on 25 July, 2015, 04:14:45 pm

What the fans are seeing is one guy with a strong team who has clamped a tight lid on the proceedings and is crushing anyone who attacks him.  It seems that's how the Tour is won these days, and it smacks of the Armstrong years; so automatically he's accused of doping because anything else is too complex for the thickos to understand.

Its not just the strong team they see. It was his incredible performance on stage 10 where he put a huge amount of time into everyone else.
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Post by: contango on 25 July, 2015, 04:19:34 pm

What the fans are seeing is one guy with a strong team who has clamped a tight lid on the proceedings and is crushing anyone who attacks him.  It seems that's how the Tour is won these days, and it smacks of the Armstrong years; so automatically he's accused of doping because anything else is too complex for the thickos to understand.

Its not just the strong team they see. It was his incredible performance on stage 10 where he put a huge amount of time into everyone else.

If Froome takes off up the side of a mountain faster than anyone else he "must be doping", so what does it mean if a guy who "must be doping" can't keep up with Quintana's attack up the side of a different mountain?

Did Froome forget his go-faster pills, or is Quintana popping something more potent?
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Post by: T42 on 25 July, 2015, 04:28:31 pm

What the fans are seeing is one guy with a strong team who has clamped a tight lid on the proceedings and is crushing anyone who attacks him.  It seems that's how the Tour is won these days, and it smacks of the Armstrong years; so automatically he's accused of doping because anything else is too complex for the thickos to understand.

Its not just the strong team they see. It was his incredible performance on stage 10 where he put a huge amount of time into everyone else.

Agreed.  I hope his difficulties today have changed a few opinions, but I doubt it.
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Post by: Biggsy on 25 July, 2015, 04:30:59 pm
It's only occurred to me today that sloping top tubes enable a more aerodynamic position than horizontals.  Some descenders are getting their backs almost below their saddles.

You can still get pretty extreme on a traditional bike, though:
(http://simonfrench.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Ultimate-Descent-or-La-Descente-Ultimate%E2%80%99cartoon-by-Simon-French2.jpg)

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Post by: contango on 25 July, 2015, 05:02:31 pm
It's only occurred to me today that sloping top tubes enable a more aerodynamic position than horizontals.  Some descenders are getting their backs almost below their saddles.

You can still get pretty extreme on a traditional bike, though:
(http://simonfrench.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Ultimate-Descent-or-La-Descente-Ultimate%E2%80%99cartoon-by-Simon-French2.jpg)

Sadly that position requires one's stomach to be concave. It might work for some riders but some of us are - ahem - a little more convex than that.
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Post by: Mr Larrington on 25 July, 2015, 08:28:50 pm
Random thoughts:

The PF nibbles Nibbles in retaliation for yesterday's attack ;D

Chapeau to Wouter Poels who has really stepped up in the last couple of days when the rest of Sky looked to be falling apart.

Since Mr Boardman tells us that Quintana covered the mountain stages faster than anyone else I look forward1 to those who accuse Froome of doping to level the same accusations at Quintana.

Finally, please could someone track down:
and send Spartacus round to give them a good kicking?

1: Lie.
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Post by: mcshroom on 25 July, 2015, 08:43:19 pm
I think sending G* with Spartacus would really thump the message home ;D

*Who's glasses I notice have their own twitter account
https://twitter.com/GeraintsGlasses
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Post by: spesh on 25 July, 2015, 09:33:15 pm
please could someone track down:
  • the gobbers and piss-throwers, and
  • the person responsible for the arrangement of "Stairway To Heaven" played over Super Dave's piece on l'Alpe, and
and send Spartacus round to give them a good kicking?

Why not the BEAR? Or is Imperator Ursus Irritabilis going to be otherwise engaged in applying educative violence to Pinkie & Perkie, whose Colemantating was once again causing a nation to wax wroth before their anbaric distascopes?  :demon:
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Post by: bobb on 25 July, 2015, 09:50:54 pm
Since Mr Boardman tells us that Quintana covered the mountain stages faster than anyone else

If only he hadn't lost a minute and a half on stage two.... Things could have been very different
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Post by: spesh on 25 July, 2015, 11:43:33 pm
Apart from hanging on to the yellow jumper, Froome won the KOM competition.  :thumbsup:

The last person to achieve that feat was Eddy Merckx...
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Post by: Tewdric on 25 July, 2015, 11:48:01 pm
Indeed, and with Quinto as his main rival and in a climbers tour, it's no mean feat.
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Post by: spesh on 26 July, 2015, 12:19:55 am
Since Mr Boardman tells us that Quintana covered the mountain stages faster than anyone else

If only he hadn't lost a minute and a half on stage two.... Things could have been very different

Also, something that I spotted elesewhere (http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19664567#p19664567) was that today's stage would have been harder had it used the planned route, which would have taken a left turn out of St-Michel-de-Maurienne, gone over the Col du Télégraphe and Col du Galibier, then dropped down off the Col du Lautaret to approach Bourg d'Oisans from the east.

There wouldn't have been much (if any) time to regroup if the peloton was blown open on the Télégraphe before starting the Galibier, and both are steeper ramps than the Croix de Fer. Also, the westwards descent off the Lautaret/Galibier doesn't level out until Les Clapiers, which is closer to the start of the Alpe than the end of the descent off the Croix de Fer.

TL:DR - Froome won by a landslide.  :demon:
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Post by: Giraffe on 26 July, 2015, 09:00:16 am
Since Mr Boardman tells us that Quintana covered the mountain stages faster than anyone else

If only he hadn't lost a minute and a half on stage two.... Things could have been very different
Not sure, but to me it looked as if Froome realised that Quintana lost the race and that he, Froome, didn't really win it.

BTW, the remark that Quintana't team let him down on That Windy Day and should have got behind him, um, in front, shirley?
Mind, the commontataers said 2 riders were going head to head when they appeared to be side by side. Must get a new telly.
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Post by: De Sisti on 26 July, 2015, 11:49:19 am
Since Mr Boardman tells us that Quintana covered the mountain stages faster than anyone else

If only he hadn't lost a minute and a half on stage two.... Things could have been very different
If that was the case and the time difference much closer, perhaps Sky's tactics in the race would have been different.
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Post by: Katie on 26 July, 2015, 05:29:44 pm
Was it just me disappointed that there was no real rush for the first over the line, just to get a few more precious seconds in the GC? Everyone knew Froome was winning anyway, but another couple of seconds would have been good for everyone?!
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Post by: Chris S on 26 July, 2015, 05:30:29 pm
Was it just me disappointed that there was no real rush for the first over the line, just to get a few more precious seconds in the GC? Everyone knew Froome was winning anyway, but another couple of seconds would have been good for everyone?!

I've never understood the last day, TBH.
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Post by: woollypigs on 26 July, 2015, 05:54:54 pm
Watched the ladies race, it was brilliant abit like a skating rink.
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Post by: Séamas M. on 26 July, 2015, 06:07:41 pm
Does anybody else get annoyed with that Festina ad on Eurosport? Passion for sport? Not with their unrepentant doper as role model.
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Post by: Mr Larrington on 26 July, 2015, 07:08:41 pm
Was it just me disappointed that there was no real rush for the first over the line, just to get a few more precious seconds in the GC? Everyone knew Froome was winning anyway, but another couple of seconds would have been good for everyone?!

With the race neutralised like that it could be that they weren't giving out time bonuses today.
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Post by: Aunt Maud on 26 July, 2015, 07:30:23 pm
Does anybody else get annoyed with that Festina ad on Eurosport? Passion for sport? Not with their unrepentant doper as role model.

You're lucky you just got that, we had to put up with Bjarne "I didn't do it, honest Guv" Riis as well.
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Post by: spesh on 26 July, 2015, 09:24:39 pm
Watched the ladies race, it was brilliant abit like a skating rink.

Utter carnage, so I'm not surprised the organisers had a look at their rules and regulations and stopped the clock at the first crossing of the finishing line:

Quote from: the TdF rules
b) Specific provisions
The race management and Stewards’ Committee may have to take the following measures for the finish of the 21st stage on the Champs-Élysées in Paris:
• if the road surface of the Champs-Élysées has become slippery before the riders reach it, then the times may be taken for the first crossing of the finish line;
• if the road surface of the Champs-Élysées becomes slippery after the riders have already begun racing on it, then the times may be taken at the next crossing of the finishing line. In both cases, the finish will be maintained. In both cases, riders and sports managers will be informed immediately. In any event, riders must compete all of the circuits of the Champs-Élysées to be ranked at the final finish
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Post by: Mr Larrington on 26 July, 2015, 10:28:56 pm
Not to mention:
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Post by: Katie on 26 July, 2015, 10:35:28 pm
Watched the ladies race, it was brilliant abit like a skating rink.

Gutted to have missed it, and can't find the highlights anywhere either (unless they're just blended in with the regular Tour highlights...)
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Post by: Aunt Maud on 26 July, 2015, 10:39:14 pm
Yes, we saw that too.....entertaining racing indeed. It could have been advertised a bit better, as it was only by chance that we caught it
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Post by: Chris S on 26 July, 2015, 10:40:32 pm
Watched the ladies race, it was brilliant abit like a skating rink.

Gutted to have missed it, and can't find the highlights anywhere either (unless they're just blended in with the regular Tour highlights...)

Women's cycling isn't yet anything more than a token sideshow. A bit like the Women's World cups in soccer and cricket.

Cycling is definitely one of the more misogynistic sports, from the club level upwards.

I have no idea what the solution is. Let the girls ride with the boys and take their chances?

ETA: Dammit!!! A feminist would take that phrase apart in a second. How about "Let the boys and girls ride together and see how it turns out?" That better?
#walkingoneggshells
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Post by: Katie on 26 July, 2015, 10:47:48 pm
Women's cycling isn't yet anything more than a token sideshow. A bit like the Women's World cups in soccer and cricket.

Cycling is definitely one of the more misogynistic sports, from the club level upwards.

I have no idea what the solution is. Let the girls ride with the boys and take their chances?

It was broadcast live by ITV4, it's just that they haven't given it its own highlights show, as far as I can tell. Have recorded the regular highlights anyway, in the hope they included at least some of it - though I doubt they will have enough to make me happy!

Lumping women's cycling in with the blokes isn't going to help them get noticed; they'll forever stand up to the men's strength, until one of them does and gets accused of doping. It's not that women can't do things like the Tour - there's bound to be women out there who do have the strength and stamina to do three weeks of solid racing of the same mileage as the TDF - but a great many won't be able to - and I bet you the first one that does successfully challenge the men will be accused of doping.

A few years ago I won my local CTC club's freewheel competition, fair and square. They gave the trophy labelled "Freewheel Winner" to the second-place person cos he was a bloke, and I got the "Women's Freewheel" trophy. Even when I did win fairly against a dude, I didn't get the recognition I deserved. Call my a cynic but I think pro cycling will be no different. Strangely enough I've found a new (women's only) club, now.

If the women keep on keeping on, doing what they're doing, eventually the rest of the cycling world will cotton on that people want to watch us doing it just as much as they want to watch the blokes. It feels very un-feminist to say that, but there is no easy answer, can't force the media to cover it. But if we keep doing it, and keep attracting roadside spectators, keep attracting people saying "No, really, ITV, we do want to watch this, it's not just pre-show entertainment" then eventually, they may just cotton on that there's advertising money in the women, too...

On topic of Le Tour itself, most laugh-out-loud comment of today's stage for me came from Alex Dowsett: https://twitter.com/alexdowsett/status/625355969741070338]
Quote from: Alex Dowsett
Fast food froome
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 26 July, 2015, 11:02:09 pm
I think La Course merited about two minutes in the highlights show, half of which being Gary Imlach talking to Marianne Vos.  I'm going to have to take back a few (though not many) of the rude things I've said about Dumb & Dumber over the last three weeks; I never thought I'd miss Paul Sherwen reading chunks of le Guide Michelin to cover the fact that nothing much is happening.

When I was a lad they had Le Tour Feminin, run over a cut-down version of the chaps' stages, but that seemed to implode long before cycling started to get regular coverage on terrestrial telly.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Katie on 26 July, 2015, 11:05:07 pm
I think La Course merited about two minutes in the highlights show, half of which being Gary Imlach talking to Marianne Vos.

I'll just watch Agent Carter and delete the highlights show, then...
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: TimC on 26 July, 2015, 11:16:19 pm
Women's cycling isn't yet anything more than a token sideshow. A bit like the Women's World cups in soccer and cricket.

Cycling is definitely one of the more misogynistic sports, from the club level upwards.

I have no idea what the solution is. Let the girls ride with the boys and take their chances?

It was broadcast live by ITV4, it's just that they haven't given it its own highlights show, as far as I can tell. Have recorded the regular highlights anyway, in the hope they included at least some of it - though I doubt they will have enough to make me happy!

Lumping women's cycling in with the blokes isn't going to help them get noticed; they'll forever stand up to the men's strength, until one of them does and gets accused of doping. It's not that women can't do things like the Tour - there's bound to be women out there who do have the strength and stamina to do three weeks of solid racing of the same mileage as the TDF - but a great many won't be able to - and I bet you the first one that does successfully challenge the men will be accused of doping.

A few years ago I won my local CTC club's freewheel competition, fair and square. They gave the trophy labelled "Freewheel Winner" to the second-place person cos he was a bloke, and I got the "Women's Freewheel" trophy. Even when I did win fairly against a dude, I didn't get the recognition I deserved. Call my a cynic but I think pro cycling will be no different. Strangely enough I've found a new (women's only) club, now.

If the women keep on keeping on, doing what they're doing, eventually the rest of the cycling world will cotton on that people want to watch us doing it just as much as they want to watch the blokes. It feels very un-feminist to say that, but there is no easy answer, can't force the media to cover it. But if we keep doing it, and keep attracting roadside spectators, keep attracting people saying "No, really, ITV, we do want to watch this, it's not just pre-show entertainment" then eventually, they may just cotton on that there's advertising money in the women, too...

On topic of Le Tour itself, most laugh-out-loud comment of today's stage for me came from Alex Dowsett: https://twitter.com/alexdowsett/status/625355969741070338]
Quote from: Alex Dowsett
Fast food froome

I think we've done this before, but I believe the Women's Tour is showing the way ahead with women's stage racing - and it's going great guns. The idea that there's no demand for women's Grand Tours is patently bollox, but it needs organisers with courage and innovation to get the money flowing to feed that demand. I don't think there's any need or reason to mix male and female competitors; no other athletic competition does as far as I'm aware, and you do need to cater for athletes other than the very exceptional. It's no good claiming that, for example, Beryl Burton could have thrashed much of the men's peloton and therefore men and women should race together if in doing so you consign the majority of female competitors to also-ran status.
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Post by: Chris S on 27 July, 2015, 12:00:01 am
I don't really care how it's achieved. I'd just like to see women's racing given the same credence/time/sponsorship/following as men's racing.

I don't think I'm expecting women to rock up next to men at the start line, and expect to compete on equal terms. Clearly, some women could whip the guys, but on balance it's probably not a fair arena. Better to have separate women's and men's events, but give them equal coverage and sponsorship.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 27 July, 2015, 12:43:25 am
O hai ITV4!

In 2016 plz to broadcast end of programme wossname at the end of the sodding programme and not at the moment the TV Times says the things ought to have finished.  I don't think I saw the end of a single recorded show - either the live broadcast or the highlights - in the entire three weeks.  Gits.

kthxbai
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Post by: Katie on 27 July, 2015, 12:44:05 am
It's no good claiming that, for example, Beryl Burton could have thrashed much of the men's peloton and therefore men and women should race together if in doing so you consign the majority of female competitors to also-ran status.
I don't think I'm expecting women to rock up next to men at the start line, and expect to compete on equal terms. Clearly, some women could whip the guys, but on balance it's probably not a fair arena.

That's what I just said ;)
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Post by: TimC on 27 July, 2015, 02:59:49 am
Sorry Katie, I'd just read a similar conversation on road.cc or somewhere in which someone had argued quite strongly for combined women's & men's fields! I didn't mean to imply that that's what you'd said. 
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Post by: rafletcher on 27 July, 2015, 07:20:17 am
O hai ITV4!

In 2016 plz to broadcast end of programme wossname at the end of the sodding programme and not at the moment the TV Times says the things ought to have finished.  I don't think I saw the end of a single recorded show - either the live broadcast or the highlights - in the entire three weeks.  Gits.

kthxbai

Hmm, my Humax got all of them right to the end.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Jaded on 27 July, 2015, 07:32:43 am
I'm sure there is something that could be done. They could, for example, have tighter shorts?
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: pcolbeck on 30 July, 2015, 12:25:58 pm
Was it just me disappointed that there was no real rush for the first over the line, just to get a few more precious seconds in the GC? Everyone knew Froome was winning anyway, but another couple of seconds would have been good for everyone?!

I've never understood the last day, TBH.

The last day is just a parade for the media and fans with a final go for the sprinters at the end to keep the crowd entertained. Remember the whole TdF was thought up as a media stunt originally.
If they last day wasn't how it is then the day before would end up like the last day is now. It's just a victory lap and a photo opportunity.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Dibdib on 30 July, 2015, 12:46:34 pm
Even if they wanted to, I can't imagine a skinny little 65kg climber like Quintana out-sprinting the likes of Greipel and Sagan anyway, certainly not by enough to get even a 1s time gap.

I think the unwritten truce on the last day probably came about because trying to get a break to stay away would be virtually impossible anyway. The sprint finish on the Champs Elysees is a big deal for the sprinters' teams, possibly the biggest of the year, so all of the teams without GC aspirations have a vested interest in making sure it comes back together for a bunch sprint at the end.

Obviously it doesn't always work if the other teams look at each other too long (for example, van der Breggen's fantastic escape in La Course) but it's unlikely to ever stick for anyone who's a threat on GC because they'll have all the sprinters' teams and all the other GC teams chasing them down.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Si_Co on 30 July, 2015, 01:05:11 pm
If the GC is close enough they will race eg Vino and Levi a few years ago. Its more common for the points to be decided than the GC.

I'm always surprised there's not a TT on the final day more often to add to the drama and prolong the spectacle, but that didn't work out so well for the French last time.
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Post by: rafletcher on 30 July, 2015, 02:45:28 pm
If they last day wasn't how it is then the day before would end up like the last day is now.

Or like the time Greg Lemond overtook Laurent Fignon and won the tour by 8 seconds on the final day ITT.

X-post with Si  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Asterix, the former Gaul. on 30 July, 2015, 02:51:02 pm
Even if they wanted to, I can't imagine a skinny little 65kg climber like Quintana out-sprinting the likes of Greipel and Sagan anyway, certainly not by enough to get even a 1s time gap.

I think the unwritten truce on the last day probably came about because trying to get a break to stay away would be virtually impossible anyway. The sprint finish on the Champs Elysees is a big deal for the sprinters' teams, possibly the biggest of the year, so all of the teams without GC aspirations have a vested interest in making sure it comes back together for a bunch sprint at the end.

Obviously it doesn't always work if the other teams look at each other too long (for example, van der Breggen's fantastic escape in La Course) but it's unlikely to ever stick for anyone who's a threat on GC because they'll have all the sprinters' teams and all the other GC teams chasing them down.

If it is an 'unwritten' truce isn't about time someone like Nibali took advantage of it and made the break?
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Dibdib on 30 July, 2015, 03:47:23 pm
Even if they wanted to, I can't imagine a skinny little 65kg climber like Quintana out-sprinting the likes of Greipel and Sagan anyway, certainly not by enough to get even a 1s time gap.

I think the unwritten truce on the last day probably came about because trying to get a break to stay away would be virtually impossible anyway. The sprint finish on the Champs Elysees is a big deal for the sprinters' teams, possibly the biggest of the year, so all of the teams without GC aspirations have a vested interest in making sure it comes back together for a bunch sprint at the end.

Obviously it doesn't always work if the other teams look at each other too long (for example, van der Breggen's fantastic escape in La Course) but it's unlikely to ever stick for anyone who's a threat on GC because they'll have all the sprinters' teams and all the other GC teams chasing them down.

If it is an 'unwritten' truce isn't about time someone like Nibali took advantage of it and made the break?

That was my point - it's a de facto truce essentially because it suits the majority of the peloton for it to stay that way. If Nibali attacked, it'd be in the interests of almost every other team to bring him back - Sky, Movistar and Tinkoff to protect their GC positions, and Giant/EQS/LottoSoudal/everyone else because they want a crack at a bunch sprint at the end.
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Post by: andyoxon on 01 August, 2015, 02:55:57 pm
Managed to get to Stage 19 in Saint Jean de Maurienne on my birthday (while staying about 2hrs away).

A selection of pics:

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/370/20172315256_42c1a2865c_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/wJyowU)P1280019 (https://flic.kr/p/wJyowU) by ao (https://www.flickr.com/photos/25983110@N05/), on Flickr

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/272/20198611175_3aa1bd6237_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/wLTaoP)P1280048 (https://flic.kr/p/wLTaoP) by ao (https://www.flickr.com/photos/25983110@N05/), on Flickr

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3789/20012033129_773acfcbf4_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/wuoUeX)P1280074 (https://flic.kr/p/wuoUeX) by ao (https://www.flickr.com/photos/25983110@N05/), on Flickr

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/547/20012054719_90509ff49e_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/wup1Ec)P1280091 (https://flic.kr/p/wup1Ec) by ao (https://www.flickr.com/photos/25983110@N05/), on Flickr

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/306/20012063319_2a8aa0fc45_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/wup4dt)P1280101 (https://flic.kr/p/wup4dt) by ao (https://www.flickr.com/photos/25983110@N05/), on Flickr

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/297/20190498052_f12925e731_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/wLazDo)P1280102 (https://flic.kr/p/wLazDo) by a0 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/25983110@N05/), on Flickr

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/507/20190569112_ed5b99c3b0_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/wLaWLy)P1280160 (https://flic.kr/p/wLaWLy) by aaekoxon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/25983110@N05/), on Flickr

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/255/20198496515_4c13f2f91d_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/wLSziV)P1280284 (https://flic.kr/p/wLSziV) by aaekoxon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/25983110@N05/), on Flickr

Moar here:  https://www.flickr.com/photos/25983110@N05/sets/72157656230519288

Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: mattc on 01 August, 2015, 05:56:22 pm
O hai ITV4!

In 2016 plz to broadcast end of programme wossname at the end of the sodding programme and not at the moment the TV Times says the things ought to have finished.  I don't think I saw the end of a single recorded show - either the live broadcast or the highlights - in the entire three weeks.  Gits.

kthxbai


Hmm, my Humax got all of them right to the end.
I've just watched the last 3 progs (includes La Course), and can confirm that our Humax chopped off the credits/etc for the whole 3 weeks!

But my main whinge is the coverage of the Wimmins race; dont know who was to blame, but the amount of solid information was close to zip. About the same as a UK minor crit. After each crash it took about 10 mins to find out which favourites were still in the lead group. Very few time gaps given. No mention of which contenders still had team-mates to help them.
v v poor.

BUT:
 if the ITV4 coverage is on the web anywhere, it's worth watching the end just to see La Vos watching the finale  ;D
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Mr Larrington on 01 August, 2015, 06:36:29 pm
She did get a little excited, didn't she ;D
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: andyoxon on 01 August, 2015, 11:04:39 pm
Had great fun today.

Here's a few quick ones.

...


Good pics Jaded ... Really enjoyed it too, even though the family was of the opinion that we'd arrived a tad several hours too early... ;)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-nA59e4YtswU/Vb1BvL7szMI/AAAAAAAAGRc/zOfSbFESbJ8/s800-Ic42/P1270945.JPG)

Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Jaded on 01 August, 2015, 11:30:06 pm
At least you didn't beat the police to the start!
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: andyoxon on 02 August, 2015, 02:17:11 pm
At least you didn't beat the police to the start!

Think the family will be reminding me of our early start for some time to come yet...   ;)   Discovered that we (just down from the tower) made it on to ITV4 live coverage that I recorded on our TV box, for ~2s and only recognisable because i know where we were standing...   :)
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Jaded on 02 August, 2015, 05:21:10 pm
Ah, we haven't watched our recording yet...

The "Hello Scottish People" shouts from the support vehicle probably cannot be heard, but hopefully the Saltire will be visible.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: andyoxon on 02 August, 2015, 06:03:48 pm
Found a few more pics (see Flickr) on another camera...

Wonder what Froome is discussing with Sagan? 

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/381/20232387365_7a7441d5dd_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/wPSgSV)P1230803 (https://flic.kr/p/wPSgSV) by ao (https://www.flickr.com/photos/25983110@N05/), on Flickr

Taken by mini ao...
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/512/20044381180_8b933b830c_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/wxfGbY)P1230796 (https://flic.kr/p/wxfGbY) by ao (https://www.flickr.com/photos/25983110@N05/), on Flickr


Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: L CC on 02 August, 2015, 06:21:07 pm
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/297/20190498052_f12925e731_b.jpg)
Looking at stem for andyoxen
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: andyoxon on 02 August, 2015, 06:54:27 pm
...[/img]
Looking at stem for andyoxen

 ;)  I was wondering if he may actually be gleaning some info from his bike computer/Garmin? Nope - looking down to his stem/top tube...

Just watched Froome: How the tour was won.   Good.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Jaded on 02 August, 2015, 11:35:21 pm
We saw our saltire, and me and the boss.

only just...
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: αdαmsκι on 03 August, 2015, 02:54:08 pm
Found a few more pics (see Flickr) on another camera...

Wonder what Froome is discussing with Sagan? 

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/381/20232387365_7a7441d5dd_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/wPSgSV)P1230803 (https://flic.kr/p/wPSgSV) by ao (https://www.flickr.com/photos/25983110@N05/), on Flickr

Froome is probably asking Sagan about his stem.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 03 August, 2015, 04:05:26 pm
Was froom's bar tap yellow from the start or only after he got in teh jersey?
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Veloman on 03 August, 2015, 04:23:00 pm
...... only after he got in teh jersey?

He only started embellishing once he was in yellow.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: sg37409 on 03 August, 2015, 04:29:06 pm
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/297/20190498052_f12925e731_b.jpg)
Looking at stem for andyoxen


Is only Froomes big ring oval ? It looks that way from this pic.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Dibdib on 03 August, 2015, 04:49:25 pm
Yup, Froome's a big fan of Osymmetric chainrings and so was Wiggo, IIRC.
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: sg37409 on 03 August, 2015, 05:51:51 pm
Sorry, I meant if the little ring also osymmetric ?
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: TheLurker on 15 August, 2015, 08:01:18 am
Following on from my pondering about Nibali in this year's TdF some way up-thread.

This is a worrying piece by an Aussie rider (not Hansen as far as I can make out). It _seems_ to be having a dig at Astana and the performances of that team's riders during this year's Giro and suggesting that... well, read it for yourself. 

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2015/06/the-secret-pro-on-the-giro-there-were-days-when-youd-just-despair/

Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: andyoxon on 18 August, 2015, 08:39:43 am
Couple of short edited video - now managed to put on Youtube, if anyone's interested...

The depart:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtVt2Pv7kJM  (includes slow-mo bit with no sound)

Later on the hill - race Leaders:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmkSy0jhCoE
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: Peter on 18 August, 2015, 09:44:10 am
Cheers, Andy.  How do they race day after day with that noise!?
Title: Re: Tour de France 2015 (Contains Spoilers)
Post by: andyoxon on 18 August, 2015, 05:18:19 pm
Cheers, Andy.  How do they race day after day with that noise!?

We seemed to be a tad unlucky with choosing spots with a nearby air horn crowd. The Sagan supporters on the hill were a particularly noisy bunch blasting away at almost anything that went by...