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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #50 on: 15 July, 2020, 01:33:55 pm »



FWIW, I've been washing my Buffs at 40C with no ill effect.
I believe the scullery maid washes the staff Buffs here at 60c and the Buffs are still fine.
I'm wrong.
I've been down to inspect the coppers in the servant's quarters and the girl down there says that they get washed at 40 or 50 depending on whatever else is getting washed at the time.
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #51 on: 15 July, 2020, 02:07:07 pm »
The evidence for the efficacy of cloth face coverings is actually there - they are recommended by the WHO, the CDC in the US and by the Centre for Evidence Based Medicine at the University of Oxford here in the UK (amongst other institutions).

Two or three ply is recommended, depending on the material(s) used.  I've got some two ply that can be used on their own or with a PM2.5 filter. 

Do not use a face mask/covering with a valve (as shown in the ad put out by the Department for Health and Social Care - see this tweet from Trish Greeenhalgh) as they defeat the purpose of face coverings.

Trish is, basically, *the* authority on face coverings.  Well worth following her on Twitter.

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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #52 on: 15 July, 2020, 02:21:06 pm »
Interesting, hadn't heard that. I just had a look at mine that has a valve and I suspect the valve is basically cosmetic; there are two layers of cloth behind it and it's in the area covered by the PM2.5 filter, if I put that in.
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #53 on: 15 July, 2020, 02:25:39 pm »
I have some masks with valves, and the only time they've come out during this crisis was when I was doing some grinding for a lockdown fettling project.

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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #54 on: 15 July, 2020, 03:10:28 pm »
Interesting, hadn't heard that. I just had a look at mine that has a valve and I suspect the valve is basically cosmetic; there are two layers of cloth behind it and it's in the area covered by the PM2.5 filter, if I put that in.

The valve will still increase the ability for virus particles to escape and therefore the mask should not be used in the context of Covid19 face covering.


Valved masks need to remain in the clinical realm where their use in relation to Covid19 is appropriate.
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #55 on: 15 July, 2020, 03:32:51 pm »
TBH I don't think mine would be allowed in a clinical setting... it fits in better with one of Roger's special dressing up parties!
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #56 on: 15 July, 2020, 04:51:30 pm »
TBH I don't think mine would be allowed in a clinical setting... it fits in better with one of Roger's special dressing up parties!

I agree.  Proper valved masks are only really useful in clinical settings.  Most of what you can buy on the internet aren't really fit for purpose.
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #57 on: 15 July, 2020, 05:49:20 pm »
The latest one arrived today, Pingu models..
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #58 on: 15 July, 2020, 09:21:52 pm »
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #59 on: 15 July, 2020, 10:21:27 pm »
In the case of surgical masks, I find ones with ties to be much better than ear loops. However, if needs must (current stock seems to be ear loops) I use a face mask ear protector like this:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B085759SFH/ref=crt_ewc_title_huc_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1N6ZQKZEV2MI8

This improves the fit and helps to avoid getting my bloody hearing aids caught when I take a mask off.

Thank you for that very useful bit of information. I've just taken some round to my father, who proceeded to tell me how he had nearly lots one of his hearing aids when he went to the bank.

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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #60 on: 16 July, 2020, 01:23:37 pm »
https://millinersguild.co.uk/item/lip-reading-masks
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Lip reading masks, same core shape as our classic mask but with a clear window to allow lip reading. Plain colours only as patterns can hinder lip reading. Please get in contact to discuss colours as we are making this item to order.
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #61 on: 16 July, 2020, 10:04:37 pm »
The latest one arrived today, Pingu models..
2020-07-15_05-43-21 by The Pingus, on Flickr

Joy Divison oven gloves face mask !
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #63 on: 16 July, 2020, 10:22:43 pm »
These arrived today. Elastic round the back of the head, think I'll be changing that as I have enough issues with my scalp as it is.
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #64 on: 17 July, 2020, 12:03:59 am »
These arrived today. Elastic round the back of the head, think I'll be changing that as I have enough issues with my scalp as it is.

To be worn with this jersey?
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #65 on: 17 July, 2020, 08:12:06 am »
That hadn't even occurred to me, but good idea being as I have said jersey!
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #66 on: 17 July, 2020, 07:03:32 pm »
Asking for a friend :
Is a gimp mask with zip acceptable?
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #67 on: 17 July, 2020, 07:06:43 pm »
Acceptable for what?

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« Reply #68 on: 17 July, 2020, 07:23:55 pm »
Acceptable for what?
My friend didn't say.
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #69 on: 17 July, 2020, 08:34:33 pm »
Is the yacf still selling buffs?

I did the last order in 2012, and could do so again but there would need to be sufficient interest- I need at least 50 for it to be worthwhile.

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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #70 on: 18 July, 2020, 11:08:49 am »
Other manufacturers are available, I arranged a batch of 20 not buffs for my hiking club with Giraffe, their large log disappears a bit in our design which may not be the case with the yacf design, can't remember who else I looked at, real buffs needed a bath size in the hundreds iirc.

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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #71 on: 18 July, 2020, 01:22:17 pm »
Asking for a friend :
Is a gimp mask with zip acceptable?
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #72 on: 21 July, 2020, 10:24:59 am »
I have a (yacf) buff.  And another buff (winter mode) and I've repurposed a couple of shirts (it's OK, they were already in the rag bag - does anyone else have a rag bag any more?).

I used the govt approved 15cm x 25 cm design instructions.

One is 2-layer and ties, the other 3-layer, with elastic - simply because of what I dug out of my box of haberdashery stuff (like your box/pile of random cycle bits, only with zips/buttons/ribbons/elastic/etc).  I may do a plain one if the fancy ever takes me but 3 can be rotated daily if it comes to it.  Though I try to avoid shops in general anyway.

& no, I haven't worked out how to stop glasses misting up.  Luckily I don't use them for close up, which tends to be when I need to speak.
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #73 on: 22 July, 2020, 01:32:13 pm »
I've been using a buff but I do find it either slips down over my nose (I don't know how I've got a huuuuge nose) or it gets too hot and steamy and makes my nose run.

I'm mostly relying on distance and keeping shop trips to a minimum.
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #74 on: 22 July, 2020, 05:19:16 pm »
does anyone else have a rag bag any more?

I think mine technically goes by the title "trousers drawer"   :-[