Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => Freewheeling => Racing => Topic started by: sg37409 on 17 November, 2016, 02:35:04 pm
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http://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/38011814
Early 2017
Go Alex !!
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I want his wheels. I want his wheels so bad.
(https://keyassets.timeincuk.net/inspirewp/live/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/04/Dowsetts-Hour-Bike-11.jpg)
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I reckon he has a chance. He rode well within himself last time, and hopefully there will be more than the paltry 1000 odd people at Manchester to cheer him on. I lost my voice after 40 minutes!
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Is this why Brad can't make up his mind whether he wants to retire or not? Will a Dowsett success provoke a Wiggins markII? Keep reading those TUE's folks.
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Is this why Brad can't make up his mind whether he wants to retire or not?
I reckon that's probably got more to do with the product endorsement opportunities disappearing, I suppose he could always advertise for GSK :demon:
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Dec 12th.
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/alex-dowsett-to-target-uci-hour-record-on-december-12/
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It may be to do with raising his profile, he was out of contract ( although there are rumours that he may just have got a deal)
It’s a good idea to go before Ganna, who has aspirations for the hour. He’s currently isolating following a positive Covid test. He could well put the hour record away on a very high shelf for a long time.
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'Rumours'? ITYM a definite announcement of a two year deal on the front page of Cyclingnews!
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Dowsett’s Hour postponed after what Auntie helpfully describes as a ‘positive test’, thankfully for COVID
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/58884574
Going again in November
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/58884574
Going again in November
Disappointingly, in Aguas Calientes. And there's me hoping that this altitude nonsense was a thing of the past... Given the rarity of high altitude velodromes, I think the UCI should look into banning records achieved at altitude
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So any Mexican cyclists are banned from competing in their own country? Or any of the dozens of inland US states that are >1000 metres? Yeah, that's gonna fly. Eddy did it in Mexico anyway!
Dowsett said he wanted to do it in Manchester but it's being re-roofed at the moment. London was hard to book as they found out last time, so they started looking at foreign options - and then decided that if they couldn't do it in the UK they might as well go to Mexico. Good luck to him! He'll need it, it's going to be a struggle at this point in his career but I really hope he does it.
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genuine question: has there ever been a serious attempt at the hour by a Mexican cyclist?
Now that it comes to think of it, I can't name a single Mexican cyclist... :o
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There have been a few high class Mexican cyclists. Raul Alcala was a pretty big name late last century.
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His position doesn't seem very aero.
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Fortunately, aerodynamics isn't about how someone looks, it's about how air moves past them.
Here's what he had to say on Cycling News.
"If I do a wind tunnel session, it's not about the CDA I take from that wind tunnel session, it's about making the number at the end of the session lower than the number at the start."
However, for the aero nerds among us, he did let us into his usual figures:
"I've done a lot of different tunnels and tracks and methods to getting CDA and I've got everything from 0.16 to 0.23. As accurate as we can get it, I'm around the 0.18 mark, but that's taken with a pinch of salt."
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https://www.youtube.com/c/AlexDowsettOfficial
Livestream.
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He's pushing such a massive gear, I keep thinking he's given up and is slowing to a stop!
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Three seconds down on record pace 20 minutes in. I hope this is part of the plan ???
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Drifting away from him now at 40 minutes
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:(
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Oh well
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Peter Green hits apart, many congratulations to Alex Dowsett for a terrific effort.
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What an amazing effort, and an inspiring journey to get there. Alex didn't get the record, but I think his stands as the second fastest official attempt at the World Hour Record - yes, he's short of Dan Bigham's distance but I don't think that counts as an official attempt. It's 1.6km further than when he got the record in 2015, and about 30m further than Bradley got a little later that year.
Really, really well done, Alex.
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Dan Bigham's attempt live (for about another 45 minutes)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUiHhm2QKLE
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Frustrating that they are not giving us lap splits. Makes it pointless watching
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Ha it started yet, timer at 60:00, and no stats showing?
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Yep. The only clues are the occasional updates by the commentator. Who isn't too sure if he's up on schedule. Or not.
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It's poignant that this is taking place the same week as Mike Burrows' death - particularly with Bigham being reminiscent of Obree in many ways.
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18 seconds up with 10 minutes to go. Allegedly.
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Got it
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55.54 km
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He's only gone and bl@@dy done it, made himself a world record breaker. Well done that man!
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He's only gone and bl@@dy done it, made himself a world record breaker. Well done that man!
Yeah, indeed... it shows what can be achieved with the right approach, even without Van Aert's or Ganna's engines...
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However:
Italy’s Filippo Ganna sets new hour record • Team Ineos rider covers 56.972km to break record by 1.24km (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/oct/08/cycling-filippo-ganna-sets-hour-record-tadej-pogacar-wins-lombardia). Beat Nice C Boardman's “Superman” record too.
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Didn't want to start a new thread, but has a streamlined recumbent ever tried an hour on a 250m indoor track?
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Fast Freddy Markham in the Gold Rush did 60.35 km on the Major Taylor Velodrome in Indianapolis back in 1984 but that's the last one I can say was definitely set on a velodrome. He subsequently did 67.01 km in Vancouver BC but I don't know what the track was for that one. All subsequent hour records have been done on car test track ovals, with the current record being 92.43 km by Francesco Russo on the DEKRA track in 2016.
A 250m track isn’t really designed for that sort of thing so the speed attainable is limited as much by the amount of common sense possessed by the rider as it is by their power output. Well I recall Vinz Burgherr decking his brand-new and impossibly shiny Birk Comet on the Ghent-Blaarmeersen track when the front tyre lost interest in gripping the track at about 70 km/h. Did about half a lap on its side. Lovely shiny paintwork all scratched. Rider philosophical: it's a bike, not an artwork.
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Thanks Mr L, I was idly wondering if there was a "shape/size of track" limit as well as a CdA/Crr vs human power limit.
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Further interrogation of Mr Google suggests that the Vancouver area didn’t have a velodrome in 1986 when Fast Freddy set that record, as the China Creek track (250 m outdoors, built 1954) was demolished in 1980 and the indoor Burnaby one was opened in 1997.
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If it just has to be 'a velodrome' then Herne Hill is longer (450m IIRC). The motor pacing on there was fun to watch and I seem to remember them saying 60mph +. Outdoors, though.....
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The advantages of an indoor velodrome are a smoother surface, no headwinds and (given a long enough event) the movement of cycles creates their own tailwind. Moscow’s 1980 Olympic velodrome angled the A/C ducts to create a tailwind from scratch. Outdoor velodromes lose all of that but the larger corner radii reduces rolling resistance.
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About 25 years ago there was talk of someone building an indoor one mile oval car race track. USAnia, natch. Nothing ever came of it.
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The advantages of an indoor velodrome are a smoother surface, no headwinds and (given a long enough event) the movement of cycles creates their own tailwind. Moscow’s 1980 Olympic velodrome angled the A/C ducts to create a tailwind from scratch. Outdoor velodromes lose all of that but the larger corner radii reduces rolling resistance.
Also the temperature can be increased substantially to reduce air pressure.
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Nice C Boardman noted this during a quiet moment on the Tour last year; he recommended that prospective hour record candidates should not bother goIng to Mexico/Colombia/Bolivia but rather go to Manchester and crank up the thermostat.
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Bit off topic, but Ganna has today beaten the World Individual Pursuit record in the world champs.
First sub 4 mins at sea level
Two world records in a week - one taking an hour, the other less than 4 minutes.
Versatile!
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In response to Mr L
I just re-watched "The Final Hour" when Nice C Boardman set the "athletes hour" /broke eddy mercks's reset record. God that was emotional.
Matt Rendall, Gary Imlach, Dr Hutch all involved in the TV thing too.
Nice to see Pandemic Productions check the CVS of their staff.
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/me wonders whether Team Policumbent can persuade him that what he needs next September is an all expenses paid holiday in the arse end of Nevada :demon: François Pervis has already said he's coming back in spite of the total demolition job done to Altaïr 6 with him at the helm this year.
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As there's been a bit of thread drift, the Obree documentary is on Youtube now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKta3RPyLIo