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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4100 on: 30 January, 2016, 08:46:41 pm »
You really have to wonder


hellymedic

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4101 on: 30 January, 2016, 11:08:45 pm »


I don't do ambiguity well.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4102 on: 31 January, 2016, 12:03:16 am »
Round our way, someone's obviously been training the rail staff. When a train is delayed, they all say that "Your next fastest train to London is...". Now "next best" means not the best, but the one after. So, given that the original train plainly isn't the fastest any more, I want the train that is now fastest, not next fastest, don't I? What exactly do they mean?

Mr Larrington

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4103 on: 31 January, 2016, 09:19:05 am »
You really have to wonder



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Steph

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4104 on: 31 January, 2016, 03:08:32 pm »
Does that mean we're allowed to hang offenders?


Cross-over?
Adjective in place of adverb?
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Cudzoziemiec

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4105 on: 01 February, 2016, 11:18:33 am »
As a deliberate mistake or as the current leftpondian norm? Hard to tell.
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Tim Hall

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4106 on: 01 February, 2016, 12:20:51 pm »
I stumbled across an article on the BBC website about a digitally enhanced photo that won a competition. In it Nikon were quoted as saying:

"We have dialogued internally"

I accept that language is constantly changing and that any noun can be verbed, but that's a really ugly construction. 
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4107 on: 01 February, 2016, 02:21:11 pm »
I stumbled across an article on the BBC website about a digitally enhanced photo that won a competition. In it Nikon were quoted as saying:

"We have dialogued internally"

I accept that language is constantly changing and that any noun can be verbed, but that's a really ugly construction.

Indeed, and earlier in the same article:
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there are many people out there who isn't stupid," said one user.

Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4108 on: 01 February, 2016, 02:52:06 pm »
I stumbled across an article on the BBC website about a digitally enhanced photo that won a competition. In it Nikon were quoted as saying:

"We have dialogued internally"

I accept that language is constantly changing and that any noun can be verbed, but that's a really ugly construction.

International English is becoming a Google-translate version of English. 

citoyen

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4109 on: 01 February, 2016, 04:34:44 pm »
I'm familiar with the concept of an internal monologue... the idea of an internal dialogue is really quite troubling.
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red marley

Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4110 on: 01 February, 2016, 09:16:45 pm »
We have internal dialogues all the time. It's true you know, we do.

citoyen

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4111 on: 01 February, 2016, 09:35:30 pm »
Speak for yourselves
"The future's all yours, you lousy bicycles."

Cudzoziemiec

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4112 on: 01 February, 2016, 10:44:50 pm »
When one shoulder argues against the other?
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red marley

Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4113 on: 17 February, 2016, 07:15:25 am »
A wealth of grammatical mangling from Paul McCartney after being refused entry to a Grammy party last night:

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4114 on: 17 February, 2016, 07:21:56 am »
Yet still comprehensible.

Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4115 on: 17 February, 2016, 10:00:38 am »
A wealth of grammatical mangling from Paul McCartney last night after being refused entry to a Grammy party last night:

Quote from: Paul McCartney
How VIP do we gotta get?

Scouse-American dialect, innit.

Cudzoziemiec

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4116 on: 25 February, 2016, 09:07:56 am »
The Alpkit newsletter which arrived last week uses the slogan Go nice places, do good things. That reminds me of an entry on a linguistic blog (might have been Language Log) about the phrase 'go bush'. I'd always interpreted this phrase as an idiom meaning something like 'live in the wilds' but they'd found a sentence where it clearly meant 'go to the uninhabited wild area'. This, they claimed, was the only instance other than home of go + noun without to in the sense of physical movement. But 'go places' can refer to visiting geographical places as well as being a metaphor.

So what's the link between home, places and bush that makes them different from other nouns in this construction? Perhaps it's that they refer to physical locations which are also emblematic of a wider idea. It's been claimed by some that 'home' is an idea unique to the English language, I doubt that very much, but I can't think of an equivalent in another language which works in the same way, being understood at once as a specific place but also a universal idea. The French chez and Slavonic u both need a specified person while the German zu Hause uses an actual building. Of course, that's not even scratching the surface of all the languages there must be in the world. Getting back to English, if that is the link then why can't we say 'go work'?
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LittleWheelsandBig

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4117 on: 25 February, 2016, 10:41:43 am »
In Oz, the bush is an area, anything that isn't towns, etc. The outback is well into the bush. To go bush is to go away from civilisation.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4118 on: 25 February, 2016, 01:25:49 pm »
I'd always thought "to go bush" meant to become slightly bonkers from living in the wilds too long.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4119 on: 25 February, 2016, 02:20:30 pm »
I'd always thought "to go bush" meant to become slightly bonkers from living in the wilds too long.
I think it does, but they'd found a sentence where it clearly meant go into the bush.

In Oz, the bush is an area, anything that isn't towns, etc. The outback is well into the bush. To go bush is to go away from civilisation.
Interesting, cos I wasn't quite sure of the distinction.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4120 on: 25 February, 2016, 03:58:11 pm »
I'd always thought "to go bush" meant to become slightly bonkers from living in the wilds too long.
Yes, a state (of mind, in this case) not a place.
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Cudzoziemiec

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4121 on: 25 February, 2016, 04:17:35 pm »
Found it. My memory was slightly incorrect, it was 'head bush' not 'go bush'. More importantly, the claim was that bush functioned as a preposition itself, rather than not needing a preposition. The original sentence was 'On hatching, the chicks scramble to the surface and head bush on their own.' Read it here
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/linguafranca/the-chicks-head-bush-on-their-own/3521116#transcript
and here
http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=1260

I'm not sure I agree it's a preposition, but it's clearly not an adverb meaning 'go crazy'.
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T42

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4122 on: 26 February, 2016, 10:46:52 am »
"Dairy".  Mrs T reminded me yet again that she's Not Eating "dairy".  Being as what she's a Yorkshire lass I assumed she'd elided the t' and replied, in my best Freddie Truman, "well I don't fancy eating t'dairy either, but I'll have some cheese" and got a black look.
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Vince

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4123 on: 26 February, 2016, 11:20:51 am »
24/7/365.

There are only 52 weeks in a year.

Either 24/7/52, 24/365 or preferably just 24/7
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #4124 on: 26 February, 2016, 11:24:04 am »
Being as what she's a Yorkshire lass ...
Makes me cringe.  Particularly in this instance, seeing as it's followed by "what".  Not quite in the same league as "off of", or compulsive reflexive hypercorrection ("I spoke you yourself yesterday..."), but close.