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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #1425 on: 24 May, 2011, 01:33:39 pm »
Ah, weatherfolk are fair game are they? Right; yesterday, met office expert on Iceland:

The cloud of ash is being literally cartwheeled over to Europe by ... blah ... blah ...

Can anybody suggest a name  for this kind of figure of speech.

Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #1426 on: 24 May, 2011, 01:45:21 pm »
Ah, weatherfolk are fair game are they? Right; yesterday, met office expert on Iceland:

The cloud of ash is being literally cartwheeled over to Europe by ... blah ... blah ...

Can anybody suggest a name  for this kind of figure of speech.

I think they're filed under Colemanballs in The Eye (He literally ran his legs off out there this evening), but I agree, the 'literally' thing deserves a subcategory of its own.

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #1427 on: 25 May, 2011, 05:10:20 pm »
In the library, of all places, today

"What will the changes mean here?"

"We'll be open less hours"  >:(
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #1428 on: 26 May, 2011, 10:55:33 pm »
Ah, weatherfolk are fair game are they? Right; yesterday, met office expert on Iceland:

The cloud of ash is being literally cartwheeled over to Europe by ... blah ... blah ...

Can anybody suggest a name  for this kind of figure of speech.

I love those 'literally' expressions. It reveals a tiny mind that has just grasped that the metaphor they have just got their head around really does have some parallels with the thing it is being compared with.

My favourite though is the increasingly common "It was like literally...". One word drags the rest of the sentence into the realm of imagery while the next brings it back to reality with a sudden bump. It's like (literally) a matter-antimatter annihilation where the two words negate each other causing a little puff of verbal energy to be released into the conversation.

Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #1429 on: 26 May, 2011, 10:59:24 pm »
There are a variety of services ...

Are or is? My logic tells me that variety is a word that groups the various things being mentioned into a single entity and therefore should be: There is a variety of services ...

The clue's in the indefinite article, denoting a singular noun.

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #1430 on: 27 May, 2011, 07:46:45 am »
"[The company] is expecting to be back in the black after a couple of years of redding"

 ;D

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #1431 on: 27 May, 2011, 01:59:49 pm »
Ah, weatherfolk are fair game are they? Right; yesterday, met office expert on Iceland:

The cloud of ash is being literally cartwheeled over to Europe by ... blah ... blah ...


Can anybody suggest a name  for this kind of figure of speech.

I love those 'literally' expressions. It reveals a tiny mind that has just grasped that the metaphor they have just got their head around really does have some parallels with the thing it is being compared with.

My favourite though is the increasingly common "It was like literally...". One word drags the rest of the sentence into the realm of imagery while the next brings it back to reality with a sudden bump. It's like (literally) a matter-antimatter annihilation where the two words negate each other causing a little puff of verbal energy to be released into the conversation.

May I refer to Loudon's song "Cobwebs". "about a little word that used to mean 'as if' "

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #1432 on: 27 May, 2011, 10:37:22 pm »
Try it with different phrasing, and perhaps an American accent.

It was, like, literally,...
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #1433 on: 29 May, 2011, 02:40:19 pm »
From BBC News (Wales) website:

<<It means all children travelling home on a bus have to leave by a different exit than those who walk home.>>

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-13580846

Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #1434 on: 30 May, 2011, 09:49:48 am »
I prefer "from" with "different", but I'm not sure that "than" is the the main problem. That whole construction, whilst quite common these days, seems awkward to me. "Different" is usually about a comparison. That sentence compares children with an exit, which doesn't make much sense. You'd have to re-write it completely:

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It means that all children travelling home on a bus and those walking home have to leave by different exits.

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It means that all children travelling home on a bus have to leave by an exit different from that used by those who walk home.

Re-ordering the "different" to be next to "from" flows better (IMHO) because "different from" is describing the exit. I've removed "all" because the whole sense is that the transport home determines the exit, so that would naturally apply to all the children concerned.

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #1435 on: 30 May, 2011, 12:15:36 pm »

A new Thai takeaway service is opening locally.  The menu scores a full house for grocers' apostrophes...



 
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #1436 on: 30 May, 2011, 12:44:25 pm »
That's a classic. Still, I suppose it's better to have culinary expertise than grammatical excellence when selling food. Unlike, this repro service I spotted in Leicester last week who offer printing of invitations for Party's. Extra points too for some gratuitous Comic Sans and comedy spelling of the firm's name.

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #1437 on: 30 May, 2011, 01:44:12 pm »
That's a classic. Still, I suppose it's better to have culinary expertise than grammatical excellence when selling food. Unlike, this repro service I spotted in Leicester last week who offer printing of invitations for Party's. Extra points too for some gratuitous Comic Sans and comedy spelling of the firm's name.

That's only a short way from where I lived as a small and learned to ride a bike...

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Leicester&aq=0&sll=51.205378,-2.183189&sspn=0.081416,0.153122&g=Warminster&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Leicester,+United+Kingdom&layer=c&cbll=52.623521,-1.109966&panoid=8WGq7aEzPv9t05HP1ZSpFQ&cbp=12,176.69,,0,-13.48&ll=52.623522,-1.109764&spn=0.001426,0.004823&z=18

Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #1438 on: 02 June, 2011, 08:37:14 am »
How do you say this properly?

"I have a list of thank yous that I must go through."

Is thank yous right?
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #1439 on: 02 June, 2011, 08:43:53 am »
I must thank a number of people.

Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #1440 on: 02 June, 2011, 09:13:19 am »
How do you say this properly?

"I have a list of thank yous that I must go through."

Is thank yous right?

I suppose you'd call it informal spoken, but you probably wouldn't wish to write it. As reported speech it would look better with a hyphen.

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #1441 on: 02 June, 2011, 01:02:37 pm »
That's a classic. Still, I suppose it's better to have culinary expertise than grammatical excellence when selling food. Unlike, this repro service I spotted in Leicester last week who offer printing of invitations for Party's. Extra points too for some gratuitous Comic Sans and comedy spelling of the firm's name.

There used to be an avert for a signwriting firm in Stoke Newington.  Among the things they'd put your logo on were vans and canapés ;D  Sign appear to have gone though.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #1442 on: 02 June, 2011, 01:08:12 pm »
I quite like that idea.  The advertising potential of finger food has barely been tapped.  What next - flyers with your vol-au-vents? ;)
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #1443 on: 10 June, 2011, 08:50:39 am »
Lack of capitalisation can sometimes lead to problems.

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Mother asked Deirdre "Will you help your Uncle Jack off his horse?"
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #1444 on: 10 June, 2011, 01:04:29 pm »
(From papers for a meeting I attended yesterday)

"{the animal} died of sceptic shock"

There's a Far Side sketch in there somewhere

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #1445 on: 10 June, 2011, 01:54:14 pm »
Lack of capitalisation can sometimes lead to problems.

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Mother asked Deirdre "Will you help your Uncle Jack off his horse?"

A comma, between 'Jack' and 'off', would prevent Mother being accused of being one colluding with pervy bestiality...

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #1446 on: 10 June, 2011, 01:56:02 pm »
I'm always amused by the blurb on the packaging of some Waitrose products. "We believe that great flavour and exceptional quality should come as standard." If it's exceptional how can it be standard?
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #1447 on: 10 June, 2011, 02:11:00 pm »
Lack of capitalisation can sometimes lead to problems.

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Mother asked Deirdre "Will you help your Uncle Jack off his horse?"

A comma, between 'Jack' and 'off', would prevent Mother being accused of being one colluding with pervy bestiality...

But that would be grammatical incorrect.

Insert the word "climb" or "get" before "off" and you're in the clear, or perhaps just use "dismount".
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #1448 on: 10 June, 2011, 02:17:36 pm »
"the band of rain will move its way north..."
 ??? ???

Temperatures are struggling. WTF?

Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #1449 on: 15 June, 2011, 12:12:57 am »
We had a supplier try to "reach out" to us twice in the same email today. We are thinking of calling the police.