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Title: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: BlackSheep on 13 May, 2019, 08:20:14 pm
Event just about full.

Any last minute info for riders will be posted here.

And if any entrants have any queries, please ask here or via the FB group.
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: BlackSheep on 15 May, 2019, 09:31:59 am
The start hall at Bushley will be open on Friday from 20.00hrs. Bring along your own air bed, sleeping bag . . . .

The food at Wigmore control will be vegan freindly, if anyone has specific dietary requirements - please contact me direct on the email you received ride info on.

We have limited space to transport provisions and various other bits of equipment. It is preferable and an advantage to you, if you have all you need to stay safe with you on the bike. It is preferable from the organiser's point of view, as history shows that despite the best efforts - items have gone missing. For you, it is an advantage to have spare/extra clothing with you should the weather suddenly dictate you need it. To that end, if you must have a drop bag, the only bags transported to Wigmore will be typically be a cycling musette which is typically 30 to 35 cm square with draw string top, with any contents being inside a polythene bag. And only soft clothing inside - So no shoes, liquids, gels etc. Any bags too heavy or large will remain at Bushley. All reasonable care will be taken with drop bags, but responsibility of them lies with the owner and not the event support team.
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: BlackSheep on 17 May, 2019, 04:25:19 pm
Latest updates:-

1).TINTERN DIVERT. Refer to OS mapping and either (a) follow the green dots (cycle route) from Tintern to St. Arvans. OR (b) take the B4293 out of Monmouth, once in Trellech - follow signs for Chepstow, this will bring you out at same junction in St.Arvans

2). GLOUCESTER DOCKS DIVERT. Route sheet and GPS patch have been uploaded on to the event web page. Please download and use from Shepherd's Patch  control. Please note, both now follow A38 all the way to Tewkesbury - there's now  a possible night time closure along B4213 (that was previously along A38).
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: Diesel on 17 May, 2019, 05:58:11 pm
Thanks, they keep you on your toes as an organiser!
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: mattc on 17 May, 2019, 06:57:04 pm
Have fun everyone! (this was my 1st choice 600 for 2019 until my season suffered irritating sub-optimal adjustment)

Forecast even looks above-acceptable  :thumbsup:

It looks a great route; BS always puts on a good show, and somehow recruits nothing but the best of helpers to ease you all through your weekend awheel!
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: hippy on 18 May, 2019, 01:43:13 pm
I just blatted my route but the new files are only the 'patch'? Can I still download the full GPX file from somewhere? Cheers
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: Steve Orchard on 19 May, 2019, 12:57:14 pm
I just blatted my route but the new files are only the 'patch'? Can I still download the full GPX file from somewhere? Cheers
Email from BS had a GPX attached

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Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: hippy on 19 May, 2019, 01:41:05 pm
I just blatted my route but the new files are only the 'patch'? Can I still download the full GPX file from somewhere? Cheers
Email from BS had a GPX attached

So it did. This is what happens when you enter too many events to keep track of! #frazzled :S

Cheers!
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: BlackSheep on 22 May, 2019, 05:15:02 pm
PRE-EVENT BIVVY.

For those preferring a quiet night's slumber, the field opposite the village hall is also suitable to construct your palace of glittering delights.

I would suggest practicing your construction skills adjacent to the hedge on the left as you enter the field.

CAR PARKING.

As previously posted, the car park can take up to 70 cars. However, this relies heavily on neat parking.

To relieve this stress, for those needing 'a little extra space' for their prized phaeton - the field opposite the village hall will also be available.

As you approach village hall (on the left), the field gateway is a few metres before on the right.

Please leave room next to the hedge adjacent to the lane for those that have decided to bivvy.

The field will be opened from about 20.00hrs on Friday evening.
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: Ajax Bay on 22 May, 2019, 06:00:25 pm
Drove the Monmouth to St Arvans via Devauden road on Saturday morning, en route to Bulwark/BCM. Be aware that it is the signed diversion for all vehicular traffic, both ways. Some traffic already at 0530. Take care.
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: Steve Orchard on 22 May, 2019, 06:12:44 pm
Drove the Monmouth to St Arvans via Devauden road on Saturday morning, en route to Bulwark/BCM. Be aware that it is the signed diversion for all vehicular traffic, both ways. Some traffic already at 0530. Take care.
Has anyone cycled the A466 to see if it is passable by bike?
Just asking as there are roads that are closed to motorised traffic and roads that are closed to everyone unless you are willing to climb fences ;-)

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Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: Diesel on 22 May, 2019, 06:55:10 pm
Does anyone know which diversion will have less traffic?
The Tintern route may be quieter if the signed diversion is via Trelleck, but looks like the roads are a lot smaller so won't take much traffic to make this unpleasant.

What are others thinking?
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: simonp on 22 May, 2019, 07:15:06 pm
Does anyone know which diversion will have less traffic?
The Tintern route may be quieter if the signed diversion is via Trelleck, but looks like the roads are a lot smaller so won't take much traffic to make this unpleasant.

What are others thinking?

The fact that the official diversion is the west side makes me think my original proposal of A466 then climb to St Briavels and then following the Dean route from there.
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: BlackSheep on 22 May, 2019, 08:24:09 pm
Drove the Monmouth to St Arvans via Devauden road on Saturday morning, en route to Bulwark/BCM. Be aware that it is the signed diversion for all vehicular traffic, both ways. Some traffic already at 0530. Take care.
Has anyone cycled the A466 to see if it is passable by bike?
Just asking as there are roads that are closed to motorised traffic and roads that are closed to everyone unless you are willing to climb fences ;-)

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The A466 is completely closed between St Arvans and Tintern.
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: BlackSheep on 22 May, 2019, 08:40:37 pm
Drove the Monmouth to St Arvans via Devauden road on Saturday morning, en route to Bulwark/BCM. Be aware that it is the signed diversion for all vehicular traffic, both ways. Some traffic already at 0530. Take care.

The Mitchell Troy - Devauden diversion is popular with local traffic.

The divert for HGV is via Lydney. Or way-off to the west A40/A465

The "Green Dot" divert is CR31 & CR32. And not suitable for anything larger than a minibus.
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: Steve Orchard on 22 May, 2019, 09:30:29 pm
Drove the Monmouth to St Arvans via Devauden road on Saturday morning, en route to Bulwark/BCM. Be aware that it is the signed diversion for all vehicular traffic, both ways. Some traffic already at 0530. Take care.
Has anyone cycled the A466 to see if it is passable by bike?
Just asking as there are roads that are closed to motorised traffic and roads that are closed to everyone unless you are willing to climb fences ;-)

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The A466 is completely closed between St Arvans and Tintern.
Thanks Mark.
Green dots it is then

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Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: Martyn Wheeler on 22 May, 2019, 10:19:43 pm
Is this the correct diversion? (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190522/73c269ed5e031ef64315e245074e6217.jpg)

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Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: Diesel on 22 May, 2019, 10:21:38 pm
Martyn - that looks like the 'right' diversion i.e. the official one. But I am going to do the green dots too and hope its nice and quiet!
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: longflaps on 23 May, 2019, 03:16:45 pm
Thinking of suppertime Saturday and noticed that Dick's Diner chippy at Machynlleth is open until 11pm (as well as a pub mentioned by Mark open until 2am).
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: simonp on 23 May, 2019, 06:14:47 pm
I'm hoping to visit Monmouth Regatta since some of my clubmates will be racing there. There's always a BBQ at a regatta.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: BlackSheep on 23 May, 2019, 10:52:07 pm
I'm hoping to visit Monmouth Regatta since some of my clubmates will be racing there. There's always a BBQ at a regatta.  :thumbsup:


 :thumbsup: Route goes straight past boathouse.
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: simonp on 24 May, 2019, 09:44:21 am
I'm just plotting my own GPX files.

Couple of errors on routesheet:

185.5 83.2 CONTROL - West End Café, on LEFT,

Pretty sure it's on the right? It will be obvious anyway.

226.8   40.3   RIGHT, $ CELLAN, B4343.

Think this is a left turn. Right takes you back towards the A40.

If I've got these wrong then my gpx is very wrong - so do please correct me!

Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: Ajax Bay on 24 May, 2019, 12:01:26 pm
I'm just plotting my own GPX files.

Couple of errors on routesheet:

185.5 83.2 CONTROL - West End Café, on LEFT,

Pretty sure it's on the right? It will be obvious anyway.

226.8   40.3   RIGHT, $ CELLAN, B4343.

Think this is a left turn. Right takes you back towards the A40.

If I've got these wrong then my gpx is very wrong - so do please correct me!
You're coming into Llandovery from the NE down the A483. It's easiest and fastest to take no turns, go past the school to L@T (A40)
L $ Brecon (A40)
400m to rbt
L to control, imm on L
CONTROL: West End Café, Llandovery
(Note: 20m before rbt is the back door to the cafe backyard: best for pushbikes)

After the fast descent on the A482 into Cwmman the route goes NE (ie RIGHT) just as the routesheet line says.
My edition:
R onto B4343, $ CELLAN (just after 'ARAF/SLOW' on road)
N on B4343, thro: CELLAN, LLANDDEWI BREFI



Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: Drone on 24 May, 2019, 12:26:07 pm
After the fast descent on the A482 into Cwmman the route goes NE (ie RIGHT)

The descent on the A482 is lovely but the route doesn't come down the A482 we'll be approaching on the B4337 from Llanbydder
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: BlackSheep on 24 May, 2019, 12:58:53 pm
I'm just plotting my own GPX files.

Couple of errors on routesheet:

185.5 83.2 CONTROL - West End Café, on LEFT,

Pretty sure it's on the right? It will be obvious anyway.

226.8   40.3   RIGHT, $ CELLAN, B4343.

Think this is a left turn. Right takes you back towards the A40.

If I've got these wrong then my gpx is very wrong - so do please correct me!

Thank you Simonp

Not quite sure how these  anomalies have occurred.

The West End Cafe is on the RIGHT.

Indeed it is a left turn towards Cellan, there is no right turn at that location. It is the same road as taken per Brevet  Cymru,  but on this occasion you're approaching from the Lampeter direction, as drone has pointed-out.
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: simonp on 24 May, 2019, 01:50:16 pm
After the fast descent on the A482 into Cwmman the route goes NE (ie RIGHT)

The descent on the A482 is lovely but the route doesn't come down the A482 we'll be approaching on the B4337 from Llanbydder

Correct.
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: Martyn Wheeler on 24 May, 2019, 03:37:11 pm
If I decide to plough on through the night and get to Allensmore before the shop opens will a photo be sufficient as proof of passage?

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Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: BlackSheep on 24 May, 2019, 05:31:04 pm
If I decide to plough on through the night and get to Allensmore before the shop opens will a photo be sufficient as proof of passage?

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There is a selection of pieces of coal that have been painted white. Please collect one of these from pile next to toilets, and bring it back to Bushley, where we will match it to photos already taken of afore mentioned.
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: Martyn Wheeler on 24 May, 2019, 05:51:14 pm
If I decide to plough on through the night and get to Allensmore before the shop opens will a photo be sufficient as proof of passage?

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There is a selection of pieces of coal that have been painted white. Please collect one of these from pile next to toilets, and bring it back to Bushley, where we will match it to photos already taken of afore mentioned.
Very amusing Mark!

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Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: Martyn Wheeler on 26 May, 2019, 10:15:33 pm
Big thank you to Mark and the team for a great weekend out. Disappointing lack of painted coal at the services though.

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Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: PeterM on 27 May, 2019, 11:23:46 am
Henceforth this shall be known as the Brevet Chapmanith 600...

Thanks Mark and helpers
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: hippy on 27 May, 2019, 08:04:58 pm
I quite enjoyed that. Thanks for sorting out the nice weather, nice roads and some friendly people to chat to on the road and in the controls. *highfives all 'round*

The ped crossing was black, white with red reflectors though, for sure. :P
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: Diesel on 27 May, 2019, 09:44:58 pm
I quite enjoyed that. Thanks for sorting out the nice weather, nice roads and some friendly people to chat to on the road and in the controls. *highfives all 'round*

The ped crossing was black, white with red reflectors though, for sure.
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Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: hippy on 27 May, 2019, 10:16:34 pm
I guess it depends on the brevet card wording but gonna go with us both being right :)
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: Diesel on 27 May, 2019, 10:32:45 pm
I'm with you hippy, red and black was my first thought
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: Martyn Wheeler on 27 May, 2019, 10:41:41 pm
I'm with you hippy, red and black was my first thought
I had the same on my brevet card. I thought that the orange bollards were too obvious ;-)

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Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: SR Steve on 28 May, 2019, 12:01:54 am
The Oxford English Dictionary defines a bollard as “a short post used to prevent traffic from entering an area.” The predominantly black posts on the left as we cycled over the crossing fit this description better the predominantly yellow structures in the middle of the crossing, so I put black. However those structures in the middle could be referred to as traffic bollards so I can understand why most people put yellow even though I didn’t even think of them as bollards at the time.
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: mattc on 28 May, 2019, 07:17:51 am
The Oxford English Dictionary defines a bollard as “a short post used to prevent traffic from entering an area.” The predominantly black posts on the left as we cycled over the crossing fit this description better the predominantly yellow structures in the middle of the crossing, so I put black. However those structures in the middle could be referred to as traffic bollards so I can understand why most people put yellow even though I didn’t even think of them as bollards at the time.
Audax Tips for Newbies.

Carry:
...
- a pencil
- a copy of the OED
...
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: Martyn Wheeler on 28 May, 2019, 07:20:28 am
The Oxford English Dictionary defines a bollard as “a short post used to prevent traffic from entering an area.” The predominantly black posts on the left as we cycled over the crossing fit this description better the predominantly yellow structures in the middle of the crossing, so I put black. However those structures in the middle could be referred to as traffic bollards so I can understand why most people put yellow even though I didn’t even think of them as bollards at the time.
Audax Tips for Newbies.

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- a copy of the OED
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What a load of bollards!

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Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: FifeingEejit on 28 May, 2019, 07:58:46 am
The Oxford English Dictionary defines a bollard as “a short post used to prevent traffic from entering an area.” The predominantly black posts on the left as we cycled over the crossing fit this description better the predominantly yellow structures in the middle of the crossing, so I put black. However those structures in the middle could be referred to as traffic bollards so I can understand why most people put yellow even though I didn’t even think of them as bollards at the time.
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Carry:
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- a copy of the OED
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Nah, just a link to the Traffic Sign Regulation and General Directions act on ones Nokia 3310.

Schedule 2 Part 5 calls them bollards, you're unlikely to need to argue about this in any other context...

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/contents/made



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Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: djrikki on 28 May, 2019, 09:24:17 am
Glad to note I am not the only one who wrote Black and red squares on the brevet card then! I don't think of them yellow things as bollards... still easily remedied at the end of the ride!
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: simonp on 28 May, 2019, 12:00:06 pm
There are two churches in Dolfor. In the dark, only one, the wrong one, is easy to find.
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: Kim on 28 May, 2019, 12:47:42 pm
The Oxford English Dictionary defines a bollard as “a short post used to prevent traffic from entering an area.” The predominantly black posts on the left as we cycled over the crossing fit this description better the predominantly yellow structures in the middle of the crossing, so I put black. However those structures in the middle could be referred to as traffic bollards so I can understand why most people put yellow even though I didn’t even think of them as bollards at the time.
Audax Tips for Newbies.

Carry:
...
- a pencil
- a copy of the OED
...

Or simply tweet a photo to the World Bollard Association (https://twitter.com/worldbollard), who will doubtlessly be able to provide a ruling via their 24 hour bollard adjudication service.
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: BlackSheep on 28 May, 2019, 08:50:32 pm
There are two churches in Dolfor. In the dark, only one, the wrong one, is easy to find.

Not true if you follow route sheet prompts.

I can witness that two auks went straight to the church gates, had the savvy to reason that churches are dedicated to saints and not monarchs. They then shone their lights through the gate to clearly see on a blue notice board to whom the church was dedicated.

The whole task took sbout a minute. I was there looking for new info answers
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: SR Steve on 28 May, 2019, 09:15:49 pm
The Oxford English Dictionary defines a bollard as “a short post used to prevent traffic from entering an area.” The predominantly black posts on the left as we cycled over the crossing fit this description better the predominantly yellow structures in the middle of the crossing, so I put black. However those structures in the middle could be referred to as traffic bollards so I can understand why most people put yellow even though I didn’t even think of them as bollards at the time.
Audax Tips for Newbies.

Carry:
...
- a pencil
- a copy of the OED
...
An English/Welsh dictionary of place names would also have been handy on this ride as Blacksheep asked us distances to places in Welsh when they were only in English on the signposts!
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: BlackSheep on 28 May, 2019, 10:10:44 pm

An English/Welsh dictionary of place names would also have been handy on this ride as Blacksheep asked us distances to places in Welsh when they were only in English on the signposts!

Are you 100% sure?

The thing is Steve, there are numpties that read stuff posted here and think the statements are factual.

I think you will find that the locations refered to on the Brevet card were the Welsh names, and the locations on the signs were available in Welsh and English.

The answers were distances, and are common to both languages.

Efallai y dylai'r llwybr fod yn Gymraeg ysgrifenedig.
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: Martyn Wheeler on 28 May, 2019, 10:16:30 pm

An English/Welsh dictionary of place names would also have been handy on this ride as Blacksheep asked us distances to places in Welsh when they were only in English on the signposts!

Are you 100% sure?

The thing is Steve, there are numpties that read stuff posted here and think the statements are factual. I think you will find that the locations refered to on the Brevet card were the Welsh names, and the locations on the signs were available in Welsh and English.

The answers were distances, and are common to both languages.

Efallai y dylai'r llwybr fod yn Gymraeg ysgrifenedig.


That would be very entertaining. Perhaps you could do different languages on different brevet cards just to keep people on their toes.

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Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: djrikki on 28 May, 2019, 10:17:26 pm
My account of the ride is now up on YouTube - I hope you don't find it a load of bollards  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSx_nKjYIgY
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: simonp on 28 May, 2019, 10:25:30 pm

An English/Welsh dictionary of place names would also have been handy on this ride as Blacksheep asked us distances to places in Welsh when they were only in English on the signposts!

Are you 100% sure?

The thing is Steve, there are numpties that read stuff posted here and think the statements are factual.

I think you will find that the locations refered to on the Brevet card were the Welsh names, and the locations on the signs were available in Welsh and English.

The answers were distances, and are common to both languages.

Efallai y dylai'r llwybr fod yn Gymraeg ysgrifenedig.

I didn't notice any issue with the signs. The dual language is surely an advantage to an organiser - two info questions for the price of one.

Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: Diesel on 28 May, 2019, 10:30:04 pm

An English/Welsh dictionary of place names would also have been handy on this ride as Blacksheep asked us distances to places in Welsh when they were only in English on the signposts!

Are you 100% sure?

The thing is Steve, there are numpties that read stuff posted here and think the statements are factual.

I think you will find that the locations refered to on the Brevet card were the Welsh names, and the locations on the signs were available in Welsh and English.

The answers were distances, and are common to both languages.

Efallai y dylai'r llwybr fod yn Gymraeg ysgrifenedig.
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Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: mattc on 29 May, 2019, 12:35:11 am
The dual language is surely an advantage to an organiser - two info questions for the price of one.

 ;D

My frustration on welsh rides is never actually getting to the mythical "Araf" - does anyone have an english translation for this town?
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: Manotea on 29 May, 2019, 06:31:42 am
I had a similar problem in Germany. I never could find this place called Ausgang. It seemed like a real attraction, as there were directions to it everywhere.
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: Rod Marton on 29 May, 2019, 08:39:02 am
I had a similar problem in Germany. I never could find this place called Ausgang. It seemed like a real attraction, as there were directions to it everywhere.
Actually you can only walk to Ausgang. If you are cycling you would be going to Ausfahrt.

Ignoring the niceties of German grammar, I've always found the main difficulty of Welsh rides is the sheer unpronouncability of the places you are following directions to. My trick is to mentally transliterate the place name into some more comprehensible language - often Czech as a language which allows words like skrz, zmrzl and čtvrtka should have no problem with Bvlch or Ponthřidfendigájd. Occasionally, though, it is possible to convert the names into something English, and on various events I can remember following signposts to Wentwrong, Llandfill and Pant-y-Gyrddll.
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: Jasmine on 29 May, 2019, 09:58:09 am

Ignoring the niceties of German grammar, I've always found the main difficulty of Welsh rides is the sheer unpronouncability of the places you are following directions to. My trick is to mentally transliterate the place name into some more comprehensible language - often Czech as a language which allows words like skrz, zmrzl and čtvrtka should have no problem with Bvlch or Ponthřidfendigájd. Occasionally, though, it is possible to convert the names into something English, and on various events I can remember following signposts to Wentwrong, Llandfill and Pant-y-Gyrddll.

 ???  Welsh is entirely phoentic. With the exception of y, and vowels in diphthongs (2 vowels together), letters are always pronounced the same. And once you know the diphthongs, they are always pronounced consistently. 
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: Rod Marton on 29 May, 2019, 02:03:42 pm


 ???  Welsh is entirely phoentic. With the exception of y, and vowels in diphthongs (2 vowels together), letters are always pronounced the same. And once you know the diphthongs, they are always pronounced consistently.

So is Czech. As are German, Polish, and Dutch, and probably most European languages with the exception of English and Russian. But the point is that the sounds assigned to each letter are broadly the same in each (OK, y and z are exceptions) and so pronounciation is clear and obvious. This isn't the case with Welsh, and the sounds of words seem seem very much at odds with their spelling and the letter combinations alien.
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: Kim on 29 May, 2019, 02:47:01 pm
My frustration on welsh rides is never actually getting to the mythical "Araf" - does anyone have an english translation for this town?

It's not a town it's an animal!  The Slow Araf hangs upside-down from branches snoozing safely during the day, emerging at dawn and dusk to scarper across the road into the path of unwary cyclists.  Being shy creatures, they tend to inhabit wooded areas near blind bends.  Their only known predator is the Tregaron Mountain Toad.
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: FifeingEejit on 29 May, 2019, 03:04:07 pm


 ???  Welsh is entirely phoentic. With the exception of y, and vowels in diphthongs (2 vowels together), letters are always pronounced the same. And once you know the diphthongs, they are always pronounced consistently.

So is Czech. As are German, Polish, and Dutch, and probably most European languages with the exception of English and Russian. But the point is that the sounds assigned to each letter are broadly the same in each (OK, y and z are exceptions) and so pronounciation is clear and obvious. This isn't the case with Welsh, and the sounds of words seem seem very much at odds with their spelling and the letter combinations alien.

Had a bit of a dig and the Ll is discussed here and makes it pretty obvious why it's been Latinised to Ll, and L is used in other languages for it too; that the welsh seem to tell the English to use Sh and Scots to use Ch (the one from Nicht not Loch) is another matter, they're clearly just trying to give us a chance!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_dental_and_alveolar_lateral_fricatives

I don't see where the concept that the sounds don't match the spelling comes from though
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_orthography

f is an english V
and ff is a english F
the only one that makes limited sense to an English speaker is dd being th (or Sh if you're from Fife but that could get confusing...)

more to that, you say that the "But the point is that the sounds assigned to each letter are broadly the same in each "
German V is close to English F
And German W is close to English V
Hence angry German bloke saying "Es ist Fow Vay nicht Vee DubleYoo"

Then you have G
In Dutch it's a velar fricative either voiced or unvoiced,
But in Swedish a G can be a /g/ or a /j/ depending on the letter that follows it. as in Göteborg

The madness of english has a fair bit to do with it having influences on top of the base Germanic of French, Norse, Norman French,  Gaelic, Welsh, Hindi...


The 3 major language groups on Europe, German, Romance and Slavic are quite modern and importantly were not particularly insular as they met each other on the continent, the Celtic languages on the other hand were quiet insular until very recent times though you can see the impact of Norse and Latin on Gaelic quite clearly if you're looking for it, maybe the Welsh protected their language as part of their fierce protection of it against the wishes of English rulers?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: Wobbly on 29 May, 2019, 05:33:38 pm
My frustration on welsh rides is never actually getting to the mythical "Araf" - does anyone have an english translation for this town?

It's not a town it's an animal!  The Slow Araf hangs upside-down from branches snoozing safely during the day, emerging at dawn and dusk to scarper across the road into the path of unwary cyclists.  Being shy creatures, they tend to inhabit wooded areas near blind bends.  Their only known predator is the Tregaron Mountain Toad.

 ;D
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: Paul D on 29 May, 2019, 08:08:44 pm
...on various events I can remember following signposts to Wentwrong, Llandfill and Pant-y-Gyrddll.

I was debating whether to visit the Bulky Sarnie after Newtown last week. In the end I didn't. I did purchase some stimulation at the control in Llandildoes though.
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: Clemo on 29 May, 2019, 08:53:07 pm

An English/Welsh dictionary of place names would also have been handy on this ride as Blacksheep asked us distances to places in Welsh when they were only in English on the signposts!

Are you 100% sure?

The thing is Steve, there are numpties that read stuff posted here and think the statements are factual.

I think you will find that the locations refered to on the Brevet card were the Welsh names, and the locations on the signs were available in Welsh and English.

The answers were distances, and are common to both languages.

Efallai y dylai'r llwybr fod yn Gymraeg ysgrifenedig.

To clear this up, once and for all

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Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: Wobbly on 29 May, 2019, 11:46:51 pm
What confuses me is that the distances on those road signs are only ever written in Welsh...

Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: Kev Sp8 on 30 May, 2019, 12:13:01 am
Just thought I would add my thanks to Mark and his wonderful volunteers for a great weekend a-wheel. I was fortunate to ride with a variety of riders, as I started fairly quickly, then gradually dropped back through the field as my pace slowed.
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: BlackSheep on 30 May, 2019, 02:00:54 pm
What confuses me is that the distances on those road signs are only ever written in Welsh...

 ;D  ;D  ;D ;D  ;D  ;D ;D  ;D  ;D ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D ;D  ;D  ;D

Not Arabic?
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: simonp on 30 May, 2019, 02:26:28 pm
Reckon I might try getting on the turbo tonight for a spin. It won't be fun.

Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: Wobbly on 30 May, 2019, 02:41:15 pm
Not Arabic?

Now you're just being silly.

Who on earth can read Arabic numbers for goodness sake!

 :P
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: FifeingEejit on 30 May, 2019, 03:07:53 pm
Might be Welsh numerals after all
https://www.academia.edu/29148678/CELTIC_NUMBER_GLYPHS

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Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: Steve Orchard on 20 June, 2019, 06:49:22 pm
Does anyone know if the road from Tintern to Chepstow has reopened yet?


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Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: BlackSheep on 20 June, 2019, 10:02:21 pm
Does anyone know if the road from Tintern to Chepstow has reopened yet?


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I don't think so, it closed on May day bank holiday. And was due to close for at least 7 weeks, that would take it up until June 24th at the earliest. Monmouthshire CC have muted it could be closed until the end of June 2019, so an extra week on what they previously estimated.
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: Steve Orchard on 20 June, 2019, 10:07:17 pm
Thanks. Passing through 2nd week of July.
Could be using the diversion again.

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Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: JonBuoy on 21 June, 2019, 04:41:48 pm
Time for some Strava stalking.  Pick a segment like this one https://www.strava.com/segments/1102240 and filter it for the last week or last month.  In this case it was last ridden on 9th June.
Title: Re: Benjamin Allens Summer outing
Post by: Ajax Bay on 07 May, 2023, 08:20:13 pm
In case anyone expecting an e-mail has not checked their SPAM box, Mark has sent out an e-mail, with another promised forthwith.
A route outline is here, with Newtown now an actual rather than an info control.
https://www.audax.uk/event-details/10096-benjamin_allens_summer_outing
The public loos at the start are stated not to open till 8am - by then, wye.
Ventusky, five days out: https://www.ventusky.com/?p=51.7;-2.6;5&l=rain-3h&t=20230520/0600
Benign temperatures (8-15), almost no wind, damp Sat 2pm-8pm.
Sunrises: 0519 (Newent), 0518 (Wigmore)
Sunsets: 2101 (Machynlleth) 2054 (Tewkesbury)
https://app.photoephemeris.com/?center=52.587615%2C-3.792000&ch=0&cw=100&dt=20230513010700%200100&ll=52.590118%2C-3.851738&sh=1.524&sw=100&z=12