I have been watching this occasionaly so haven't seen all the episodes.
It seems to be an OK programme so far.
I think I will invest in the box set of DVD's when they emerge.
One question though, how does Sean Bean manage to get cast as hailing from 'oop north' even in a fantasy world?
We've downloaded all the episodes. Excellent series.
Mr Bean is still as toothsome as ever, if not as young as his Sharpe days...
I started to read the books years ago, and stopped quite quickly. I rather like George R R R R R R Martin's style, but this didn;t work for me.
Of course, having no television, if I have completely the wrong story.....
I've heard this described as "Babylon 5 on horses". I may therefore have to make an effort to watch it, as I'm not normally into this fantasy stuff. Or horses.
GoT doesn't really 'take off' until the second and third episodes. But I'm enjoying it.
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Oh, and we can't wait for Joffrey to get what's coming to him, little f*cker...
Oh, and we can't wait for Joffrey to get what's coming to him, little f*cker...
Oh yes, him. Master "It's-a-women-let-me-screw-it & I have a wobbly chin because I'm pathetic".Oh, and we can't wait for Joffrey to get what's coming to him, little f*cker...
Also Theon Greyjoy: Utter PeenTM Andy Gates Every Psychology students' wet dreamTM No1Daughter
On the other hand, notice how the Named Characters and "good" girls (and boys) don't get raped?Don't rely on it being maintained all the way through. From what I remember of the books, pretty nasty things happen to an awful lot of the leading characters, whether 'good' or otherwise.
On the other hand, notice how the Named Characters and "good" girls (and boys) don't get raped?Don't rely on it being maintained all the way through. From what I remember of the books, pretty nasty things happen to an awful lot of the leading characters, whether 'good' or otherwise.
BTW, round numbers don't mean that anyone was counting, just that someone had a subjective impression of a large number. Fifty could be anything in double figures. Twenty-six would mean someone counted.
Oh, nasty things happen to nice people, I'll grant you, but I was specifically looking at the "good girls don't get raped" trope, and that holds true throughout all the books (I've read all the series so far published) as far as I can recall. I don't expect Arya or Sansa to ever be violated.(click to show/hide)
Oh, nasty things happen to nice people, I'll grant you, but I was specifically looking at the "good girls don't get raped" trope, and that holds true throughout all the books (I've read all the series so far published) as far as I can recall. I don't expect Arya or Sansa to ever be violated.(click to show/hide)
Spoily reply within the spoiler there - read at your own risk.
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From now on I will refer to bobb as my-sun-and-stars, or MSAS.
From now on I will refer to bobb as my-sun-and-stars, or MSAS.
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From now on I will refer to bobb as my-sun-and-stars, or MSAS.
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From now on I will refer to bobb as my-sun-and-stars, or MSAS.
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From now on I will refer to bobb as my-sun-and-stars, or MSAS.
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From now on I will refer to bobb as my-sun-and-stars, or MSAS.
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Is he going to grow a pony tail and a plaited beard too?Absolutely not.
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I need to make a fictional set of data to check that something at work will run properly when calculating pensions for widows and orphans.
Rather than have "Life 1, Life 2" etc, I have been mining GOT for names. ;D
I'm just wondering whether I should label this file "Spoilers" in case anyone else using it doesn't know who dies. ;)
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Not sure if I am understanding this properly butI need to make a fictional set of data to check that something at work will run properly when calculating pensions for widows and orphans.
Rather than have "Life 1, Life 2" etc, I have been mining GOT for names. ;D
I'm just wondering whether I should label this file "Spoilers" in case anyone else using it doesn't know who dies. ;)
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About a hundred pages into the second book and desperate for Joffrey to get his comeuppance.
About a hundred pages into the second book and desperate for Joffrey to get his comeuppance.
One thing these books teach us. Patience. :)
Finished book 3.
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The sex scenes are fairly rapey, which is a shame because aside from that, there are some pretty strong female characters; Catelyn Stark, Daenerys Targaryen to name two. These are developed much more in S2.I was thinking a bit about this today. I am happy that all the major female characters are different. Cersei, Catelyn, Lyssa, Sansa, Arya, Brienne, Ygritte, Daenerys - they're all very different - different strengths, weaknesses, skills, morals, choices. They're not just virgin//whore/good/bad/strong/weak. They're as varied and three dimensional as the male characters, and I count that as feminist win. And the rapiness - well, I think it's depicted fairly. It's clear that some of the male characters rape when they can, particularly when sacking a castle or a city (which, let's face it, is not a stretch of the imagination), but not all of the men rape, and several of them condemn it outright and punish rapists when they can. It's not shown as natural behaviour for men, it's shown as a choice some make because they want to do it, not because they couldn't help themselves. I think the only way to improve on that is to have no rape at all, which would make for a less gruesome but possibly less realistic story.
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Boab & I love it. I guess she has to put her feminist leanings to one side during the more challenging moments. That, or she seethes very quietly so I haven't noticed ;).
I was thinking a bit about this today. I am happy that all the major female characters are different. Cersei, Catelyn, Lyssa, Sansa, Arya, Brienne, Ygritte, Daenerys - they're all very different - different strengths, weaknesses, skills, morals, choices. They're not just virgin//whore/good/bad/strong/weak. They're as varied and three dimensional as the male characters, and I count that as feminist win. And the rapiness - well, I think it's depicted fairly. It's clear that some of the male characters rape when they can, particularly when sacking a castle or a city (which, let's face it, is not a stretch of the imagination), but not all of the men rape, and several of them condemn it outright and punish rapists when they can. It's not shown as natural behaviour for men, it's shown as a choice some make because they want to do it, not because they couldn't help themselves. I think the only way to improve on that is to have no rape at all, which would make for a less gruesome but possibly less realistic story.
The trouble is, given the relative design of male and female anatomy, teh cock shots would have to be offset by Hustler-style shots for the ladies and it would all descend into the squelchiest kind of amateur pr0n.
What's really needed is parity of screen time for teh cock.
Follow the weave. You forget the characters otherwise. I didn't, and have really struggled with aDwD. (It would probably be really easy for me to do the weave, just a re-naming/ numbering of the audio book chapters. I might try it.)
I just watched the first one of the new series. Arya Stark - Cor! No huge surprises, I don't think, but the potential for lots of bloodletting as the series progresses.
Marvellous.
I watched it on NOW TV.
Didn't think it was on until this evening ??? Better check my Sky box
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They'll have to change it from the books if they outpace them at this rate. Won't be any more series to do otherwise.
They'll have to change it from the books if they outpace them at this rate. Won't be any more series to do otherwise.
You do of course realise that the scenes with Reek/Theon are actually out of the latest book. This I find most interesting of all. Without source books for upcoming series they reall *are* going to have to diverge from the books (or at least make the books more boring for those that still want to read them).
I shall wait for them all to be out and read them one after the other just to annoy :P ;-)
... if I can remember to do so when I am old and wrinkly ;)
You do of course realise that the scenes with Reek/Theon are actually out of the latest book. This I find most interesting of all. Without source books for upcoming series they reall *are* going to have to diverge from the books (or at least make the books more boring for those that still want to read them).
There's an interesting chart that shows how the TV episodes and POV chapters have got increasingly out of step with successive TV series:
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Season 4's going to be all over the place compared with the books. Mind you, when you consider what Peter Jackson did with the Middle Earth canon, especially in the Hobbit...
Developing a sneaking fondness for The Hound.
The Northmen are basically the Northumberland saxon kingdom of old.
The Islanders are clearly vikings
The Dothraki are clearly Mongols of Ghengis Khan's era
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So? Does every author have to be an island? Is there something in the literature out there that doesn't draw on earlier sources or inspiration?
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Tyrion's epic speech v2.0 (http://io9.com/tyrions-epic-game-of-thrones-speech-gets-a-perfect-alte-1576457738). :D
Tyrion's epic speech v2.0 (http://io9.com/tyrions-epic-game-of-thrones-speech-gets-a-perfect-alte-1576457738). :D
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Um - there is at least one more season to go before they catch up with the books.
Um - there is at least one more season to go before they catch up with the books.
Really?!
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I really don't mind if they change stuff. Here's why:Couldn't agree more.
1. The original books are Quite Tedious in places.
2. I'm not invested enough in the whole Fandom thing to really give a damn. The books have entertained me, the TV-Series have entertained me. They don't have to be the same to do this.
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I really don't mind if they change stuff. Here's why:Couldn't agree more.
1. The original books are Quite Tedious in places.
2. I'm not invested enough in the whole Fandom thing to really give a damn. The books have entertained me, the TV-Series have entertained me. They don't have to be the same to do this.
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I really don't mind if they change stuff. Here's why:Couldn't agree more.
1. The original books are Quite Tedious in places.
2. I'm not invested enough in the whole Fandom thing to really give a damn. The books have entertained me, the TV-Series have entertained me. They don't have to be the same to do this.
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Um - there is at least one more season to go before they catch up with the books.
It will still be a bloody wait tho', cause he is ages off finishing and a crazed fan will probably kill him first.
- The Northerners are, near as I can tell, basically decentRamsay Snow.
- The Northerners are, near as I can tell, basically decentRamsay Snow.
And before you say he's a solitary exception -
His dad.
The average Karstark.
And although not actually Northern, the Freys aren't exactly Southern.
Do you have a time machine?
First four episodes, to be precise - copied from press preview streams.If they send the faceless men, nobody is safe.
I've seen stories that HBO are going after anyone who's downloaded them. Yeah, right. Good luck with that.
Who's done with the show, and who's sticking around to see how bad it can get?
Among other things, HBO’s Game of Thrones is a show that has been given enormous leeway in its depiction of sexualized violence, in no small part because George R.R Martin’s “A Song of Ice and Fire” has as one of its major thematic elements a harsh critique of the patriarchal culture of medieval societies, and the sexualized violence inherent in such a society. However, that doesn’t mean the same thing as a blank check. Last season, when the showrunners inadvertently (or not) turned Cersei and Jaime’s reunion in the Sept of Baelor into a rape scene, they were loudly (and rightly) critiqued for having botched an important moment in the story in such a way that reinforced rape culture.
So with this last scene, I think the showrunners have betrayed the trust of their audience, by depicting a scene of brutality against Sansa Stark for no purpose. We already knew that Ramsay Bolton was a sadist and an abuser of women, we already knew that Theon Greyjoy was his tormented puppet. Showing Sansa’s dress ripped, showing her face shoved down into the bed, hearing her screams did nothing to reveal character, or advance the plot, or critique anything about Westerosi society or about our own conceptions of medieval society that hasn’t already been critiqued.
I've given up with the tv show. I watched the first couple of this series, got bored, couldn't be arsed.
The Dornishman's wife was a highlight of last nights episode.
Human Centipede On Ice! ;D
Pffft. I had my fill of overblown battle scenes with Lord of the Rings.
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Actually the end of the series was pretty much the same as the end of the last book.Really? Although I've not seen the episodes in question, I've heard of characters being dead who are still alive & active at the end of the latest book - which I've read, as with all the others, starting not long after you. There's also been mention of characters being married to different people, & events taking place which had not yet happened in the latest book.
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Do NOT read under there if you want to read the books.
Yes to spoiler tags. Many of us don't have access to Sky or HBO so haven't seen S.5 yet.
But do you know which one is which?Does it matter?
Ant is the big one, Dec is the little one.They stand in alphabetical order as you look at the screen.
In mitigation, I should point out I only worked this out last year ;D
Ant is the big one, Dec is the little one.They stand in alphabetical order as you look at the screen.
In mitigation, I should point out I only worked this out last year ;D
I am just back from an event at Waterstones in Piccadilly at which Dr Larrington was plugging her latest book (http://www.ibtauris.com/Books/The%20arts/Film%20TV%20%20radio/Television/Winter%20is%20Coming%20The%20Medieval%20World%20of%20Game%20of%20Thrones.aspx?menuitem=%7BB571EE45-263D-4532-A616-771699D984CA%7D). I'm almost tempted to read Mr Martin's works myself now.
She says that an army of eunuchs is a craptacularly bad idea, BTW.
I had been wondering if the lack of posts until today was because people were still trying to work out WTF was going on with the Dorne storyline. :demon:
We know which set of fans you find mostimportantlucrative Mr Martin then.
We know which set of fans you find mostimportantlucrative Mr Martin then.
FTFY
I don't care, I've never read the books and don't intend to start. There needs to be some divergence though - I felt one of the problems with the last series was trying to cram in too many diverse storylines, several of them not very interesting (eg Dorne).
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I've always loved Dorne - but then the books are better at being descriptive.
I rather suspect that the very big man who walked through my workplace last week was a former porridge pin-up and GOT actor. Yarp!
Have you chaps not read the books, before all this televisual-type stuff?I started reading them in a previous millennium, & read all those which have been published so far before seeing any of the televisual bits - series one on an aeroplane to Japan. Well, there wasn't much else to do.
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It could be interesting to see how that wildling lass Osha deals with Ramsay.
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Greebo could, in fact, commit sexual harassment simply by sitting very quietly in the next room.
That's not what they've got in GoT
That's not what they've got in GoT
It really doesn't help that the actor has a camp, reedy voice and a slight lisp.
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Slowest episode so far in my opinion.
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I agree, they couldn't have telegraphed it any more obviously...
I agree, they couldn't have telegraphed it any more obviously...
I disagree, but then I haven't read the books, so I'm not bringing outside knowledge to the discussion. I had to look up the character you're talking about and even then it wasn't clear to me that Bran's vision was a clue to her impending appearance.
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I know it's a bit moot now but, who was the last person that Caitlin Stark sat down with at The Red Wedding? Who did she discover was wearing mail under his glad rags and knew what was about to happen once she made the discovery?
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I know it's a bit moot now but, who was the last person that Caitlin Stark sat down with at The Red Wedding? Who did she discover was wearing mail under his glad rags and knew what was about to happen once she made the discovery?
That was Roose Bolton.
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It's so long since I last read the books I've forgotten a lot of that and some of that is lost on me a little these days - you also remind me just how much more complex the books are.
BWB?
i wonder what Ep 10 will have?
A bit of wildfire for the high sparrow i hope........
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I've just finished binge-watching seasons 1-6 (started a few days ago).
Having waded through 1000 or so hard back pages of A Dance with Dragons, suffering concussion occasionally as I read it in bed, I now find the next one is not published yet. Strewth.
Is what happened with the Dune saga as well, sigh. (His son did not compare).
Is what happened with the Dune saga as well, sigh. (His son did not compare).
And the prequels, dear God the prequels.
Is what happened with the Dune saga as well, sigh. (His son did not compare).
And the prequels, dear God the prequels.
To be fair - even Frank Herbert couldn't write them very well after God Emperor ;)
The writing and direction has taken a serious turn for the worse. I'm gonna struggle to justify spending time on it this season.
The war council at Daeneris new home was some of the worst acting I've seen in a long time.
Just watching it to get to the end now, but I hope it improves.
So, is he dead?
I'm sure some Deus Ex Machina will be along early in the next episode.
Personally, I'm not feeling any tension about the fate of the characters at all now.
...I also found the battle rather dull - probably because it was too one-sided.
Dothraki hoard firing arrows stood on horse-back
So, is he dead?
The battle was always going to be one sided given that Danaerys had air superiority. Once she'd blown a hole in the shield war the Dothraki could flood through. Of course she should have flamed the length of the line rather than pushing holes in it but that's another discussion
That last one was downright boring with all the 'ooh surprise surprise dragons just in the nick of time' stuff. But I never saw the last bit coming!
That last one was downright boring with all the 'ooh surprise surprise dragons just in the nick of time' stuff. But I never saw the last bit coming!
Still, it could be worse. Stephen Donaldson managed to get to the end of his 10 Chronicles of Thomas Covenant.
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In keeping with my relationships with other overdone franchises (Avengers for example), I'm finding the number of fucks I'm prepared to give are rapidly diminishing. I've found the last two seasons tough going, mostly because the plots are more and more contrived; to the point where I mostly won't care if they all fucking die - they're pretty much all unpleasant people. Except for Davos. He's OK.(click to show/hide)
I'll stick with it to the bitter end (only ninety more minutes Chris) for completionist reasons.
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Like Chris S, my interest in GoT has been steadily diminishing and since around the middle of the fifth series I've only stuck with it because of the promise of a conclusion - having invested so much time into it, I might as well see it through now.
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If anyone is missing it already, the addiction can return next year - rumours of its demise appear premature. They're already filming the prequel series due out next year.
Only one character the same - the Night King - set 5000 years in the past.