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Random Musings => Miscellany => Grow Your Own => Topic started by: Ruthie on 28 June, 2016, 12:19:04 am

Title: Acer dieback
Post by: Ruthie on 28 June, 2016, 12:19:04 am
What the thread title says, really  :'(

My four foot tall Japanese acer, which is in a pot, has dieback.  I bought it last year and it has always struggled.  The leaves this year are smaller than they were last year.

I assumed it would need lots of watering as it is in a container, but is it possible I've over-watered it?  Or has it been under-watered?  It has a covering of pebbles around the base to keep the soil moist and the cats off, and the container has drainage holes.

I'm keen to stop the fungus spreading to my dwarf lilac and my honeysuckle, also container grown.

The acer was expensive, is it best to just get rid of it?
Title: Re: Acer dieback
Post by: Drone on 28 June, 2016, 06:54:39 am
Mine thrives on neglect and seems impossible to kill. (Thrives might be an exaggeration!) I suspect that you may have over watered.
Title: Re: Acer dieback
Post by: Ham on 28 June, 2016, 07:35:51 am
Is it fungus or just withered leaves? photo? We also struggle with potted acers, but they seem to come back year after year, and are now doing much better after 5 years-ish. (and I think we over-water but I daren't suggest that to Mrs Ham. To be fair the system works for most things)
Title: Re: Acer dieback
Post by: LEE on 28 June, 2016, 10:52:32 am
Aha!  Now I see.  I thought it was a terrible name for a Laptop.
Title: Re: Acer dieback
Post by: Ruthie on 28 June, 2016, 06:49:36 pm
Aha!  Now I see.  I thought it was a terrible name for a Laptop.

Tea just came out of my nose  ;D
Title: Re: Acer dieback
Post by: ElyDave on 03 July, 2016, 10:13:51 pm
If you have room, put it in the ground for a few years to recover. Repot in winter, and prune any large tap roots when you do.

Also worth checking the pot for ants, they are buggers for disturbing the roots. If they are there, bare root it and replant.
Title: Re: Acer dieback
Post by: toontra on 03 July, 2016, 11:27:05 pm
Vine weevil are notorious killers of container plants.  They have done for several of my mature acers, along with many other splendid shrubs and small trees.

You only know they are there when the leaves die back and by then it's too late.  Tell-tale signs - when you take the plant out of the container the roots are partially or completely severed just below the surface.  Also the soil will have white crescent-shaped grubs (which are what eat the roots).
Title: Re: Acer dieback
Post by: Danu on 04 July, 2016, 07:33:05 am
Compost is available, with a chemical added which will help prevent vine weevil
Also if you inspect your containers at night you may catch the flightless adult weevils
Title: Re: Acer dieback
Post by: toontra on 04 July, 2016, 08:54:01 am
"Help prevent" being the operative words here. As with the nematodes, they are only partly successful in treating vine weevil.  The chemical sure-fire treatment was added to the EU list of banned substances a while back, and I have since lost some of my best plants despite using these replacements.

The idea of inspecting over 100 large container plants every night for signs of a small dark beetle isn't really practical for me unfortunately.
Title: Re: Acer dieback
Post by: ElyDave on 05 July, 2016, 09:15:55 pm
may explain one or two of my bonsai having serious die back over winter.  Haven't seen anything like that though
Title: Re: Acer dieback
Post by: Ruthie on 09 July, 2016, 01:53:18 pm
I reckon it's got verticillium wilt, since the photos on Google look exactly like what's happened to my poor specimen  :'(

(https://c6.staticflickr.com/8/7525/28114352141_8c25ba291e_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JQnppk)2016-07-09_01-40-50 (https://flic.kr/p/JQnppk) by Ruth Irving (https://www.flickr.com/photos/106826773@N02/), on Flickr

(https://c8.staticflickr.com/9/8603/27576898823_17925fee6d_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/J1SPfP)2016-07-09_01-40-30 (https://flic.kr/p/J1SPfP) by Ruth Irving (https://www.flickr.com/photos/106826773@N02/), on Flickr

(https://c7.staticflickr.com/8/7293/27911229910_5c1b626090_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JwqmeU)2016-07-09_01-39-59 (https://flic.kr/p/JwqmeU) by Ruth Irving (https://www.flickr.com/photos/106826773@N02/), on Flickr

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/9/8662/27576884673_60b186b51d_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/J1SK3R)2016-07-09_01-39-35 (https://flic.kr/p/J1SK3R) by Ruth Irving (https://www.flickr.com/photos/106826773@N02/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Acer dieback
Post by: HeltorChasca on 09 July, 2016, 04:19:00 pm
I would be interested if anyone gets a definitive answer. I have had extreme cases of die back in 3 clients' gardens. Some complete. Some just the tips and some to 3" above soil level. Some in containers, some planters and some in the ground. The ONLY common anomaly is I am their gardener! Gulp.

I don't think without samples of the plant, soil or evidence of pests, you can guess what the cause is unfortunately. The Internet isn't that good yet. It needs the help of a plant pathologist in a lab.