Shakers v Quakers, surely?
Good grief! Southend are 3 - 0 up against Chesterfield in a clash (I think that's the word used in these circumstances) for fourth place. Chesterfield were ahead of Southend before the current game and will be below them after it.
It won't be true anymore if Hull City change their name to Hull Tigers next season!
I thought you'd be on, P! Yes, an excellent result, for you. I'm bad luck for my teams, so I generally don't go. But I had a lovely family afternoon out walking above Oldham! The result was not totally unexpected as you are resurgent and we are having our usual promotion jitters. Be nice if we both went up!Not a good result for me as I'm not a supporter of any team. I take an interest in what happens to Southend Utd as their ground is less than a quarter of a mile from our house and there is always the threat of a new out-of-town stadium which I feel is greater when Southend are doing well. It is hard to justify a 20000 seat stadium when your 12000 seat stadium is rarely more than half full.
Quite.
A favourable set of results for Southend today. Their win over Hartlepool was probably a form result, but two late goals sank Bury, who had been leading against Morecambe. Southend now have an 8-point cushion to stay in the play-offs and are now 5 points behind Wycombe, who lost to leaders Burton Albion. Southend have a game in hand over Wycombe, but the latter's goal difference is 8 better than Southend's.
Interesting.
It's not me, I won't be playing.
You have to recall that I take an interest in Southend from an entirely political perspective. Their manager is a nefarious individual to say the least. For quitea few years he has been trying to make a load of dosh through closing Southend's current stadium (capacity 12000ish) and open a 22000 seat stadium ont of town. He then wants to sell the old ground for a supermarket to be built on it.
It's not me, I won't be playing.
You have to recall that I take an interest in Southend from an entirely political perspective. Their manager is a nefarious individual to say the least. For quitea few years he has been trying to make a load of dosh through closing Southend's current stadium (capacity 12000ish) and open a 22000 seat stadium ont of town. He then wants to sell the old ground for a supermarket to be built on it.
WoW that will be the chairman not the manager. The manager is a purely sporting position hired by the club to manage and coach the players, he has no say in finances etc.
I suspect, Basil, that even if the Bleeders are promoted, you can take a passing interest in the fact that Southend will be on the way back down in a year's time.
Meanwhile, in Southend's absence from League 2, Hartlepool have won their first two games. Basil! What is going on?
Saarfend are promoted, 7-6 on penalties. Oh well, there will now be calls for a bigger stadium...
So the Colchester grudge match, sorry "game", saw over 10,700 people turn out today. Colchester looked the better team for most of the game, despite losing a player early on. But Southend scored three excellent goals in the last 11 minutes. Around 50 Colchester supporters couldn't stand the teasing from Southend fans, and a couple made it through security to wave fists close to home sides fans. One Southend heavy walked casually past the stewards and threw punches at every Colchester fan he could get to in the front row of the away stand; he then turned around and casually walked back to his own stand. Meanwhile several parents hauled young children out and demanded other stewards walk them out of the ground to safety. No doubt swearing to never return. This, you see, is what happens when Tory cuts mean there are no coppers, and thugs know there is no prospect of arrest.
Didn't Millwall use to be in the old First Division in the late 70s or early 80s?
The League Cup.
These end of season permutations are quite stressful, and my experience of being in charge of your own destiny hasn’t been good! Here’s hoping Sunderland don’t care enough.
Bury have been promoted to League One* :thumbsup: (despite a blip in their end of season form and theIsn't Bury's chairman (Steve Dale), the guy who bought the club for £1, one of those guys who
off-field goings on).
*..and will be playing Southend United next season.
A 1 - 4 home loss to Wimbledon today. That's possibly the worst result of the season so far. Wimbledon were 1 place a head of Southend and in one leap they are free of the relegation zone, albeit by goal difference ahead of Tranmere.
I suppose a fairly arcane quiz question would be “What have Southend inherited from Macclesfield?”, to which the answer is “Sol Campbell”, who a few weeks ago was allowed to terminate his contract at Macclesfield “by mutual consent”. There seems to have been some talk of a players’ strike at Macclesfield threatening the very existence of today’s game. Maybe the players settled for a go-slow instead. Mr. Campbell’s managerial career does not seem to be going well.Macclesfield almost went bust last year (and didn't pay the players for months at a time) and Campbell did a great job in dragging them away from relegation. He doesn't seem to have worked at the most stable or high achieving clubs - I don't know whether that's because he has a reputation for rescuing impossible situations, or because only desperate clubs are prepared to give him a chance.
The Jammers' (Maldon & Tiptree) cup run came to an end this evening with a 1 - 0 home loss to Newport County.
I can't see any sign of Colchester being left in the competition, so West Ham is the last Essex hope, if you still count West Ham as Essex.
Well I didn't know that. Perhaps that means Wow can start following Canterbury City?The Jammers' (Maldon & Tiptree) cup run came to an end this evening with a 1 - 0 home loss to Newport County.
I can't see any sign of Colchester being left in the competition, so West Ham is the last Essex hope, if you still count West Ham as Essex.
I may be mistaken, but I believe the iron works from which sprang forth the club was south of the river, so Kent (a bit west from that other famous Kentish club - Arsenal). By modern reckoning, they're within the North Circular, so London; Dagenham is definitely Essex (IMHO).
Thames Ironworks Football Club, the club that later became West Ham United, was founded by Thames Ironworks and Shipbuilding Co. Ltd owner Arnold Hills and foreman Dave Taylor in 1895. Thames Ironworks took over the tenancy of The Old Castle Swifts' Hermit Road ground in Canning Town until their eventual eviction in October 1896.So that would make them Essex all along, even if only by a river's width.
Amazing to think that Southend beat a team including Rooney & Ronaldo.
Here's some League 2 stats...
https://experimental361.com/2020/11/01/scatter-graphics-league-2-1-nov-2020/
Saturday's League Two game between Southend United and Cambridge United has been postponed because of positive coronavirus tests.
The Shrimpers said a "small number" of players have Covid-19.
However, they claim to only have 10 fit outfield players and two goalkeepers available to play, so say they are unable to fulfil the fixture.
Cambridge say they received an email from Southend at 21:40 GMT on Friday requesting the match be called off.
"The club is following all of Public Health England and the English Football League's Covid-19 protocols," said a statement on the Southend website.
Cambridge say further details for the game will be confirmed in due course, but feel the match at Roots Hall should have gone ahead.
"Cambridge United have made representation to both the English Football League and Southend to express our disappointment and that we feel it would still be possible for the fixture to be played," a club statement said.
An EFL statement said: "The circumstances will now be the subject of investigation in accordance with EFL Regulations."
Not true: lack of consistency is not their problem - just the wrong kind of consistency!
I did say "that sort of consistency"!
Sounds like a good game: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55225630I think that report misleads somewhat:
Greg Halford scored on his debut as Southend secured back-to-back wins for the first time since October 2018 with victory against 10-man Grimsby at Roots Hall.
bounce".
Much cheaper than sending a reporter to each game!
:thumbsup:
Still bottom though. But with a much improved chance of performing the great escape.
:thumbsup:
Still bottom though. But with a much improved chance of performing the great escape.
They shouldn't be - they were on 19 points before today's match. The tables just haven't been updated yet.
The BBC does that, yes, but not the 'form' bit showing last 5 games. As you say, confusing.
Good grief! FGR had 62% of the possession according to the stats I saw. Is it a judgement on Dale Vince working with the D. Express? :P
Curiously, all of the bottom 3 (Southend, Barrow and Grimsby) won their last game. I wonder how often that happens?
Good grief! FGR had 62% of the possession according to the stats I saw. Is it a judgement on Dale Vince working with the D. Express? :P
Curiously, all of the bottom 3 (Southend, Barrow and Grimsby) won their last game. I wonder how often that happens?
Or supporting the Green Party??
Agree with all of that. The rot set in when Middlesbrough (my then-nearest team) moved from Ayresome park (walking distance from anywhere in Middlesbrough) to the "Riverside" - only accessible by helicopter. They didn't need the extra room (Middlesbrough will never have a capacity crowd - except in the 66 world cup) but now Ayresome Park is houses, just like your scenario. And the new shirts are awful - lime green, orange and pink should all be banned in football!Southend's owner, Ron Martin, has been pushing for an out-of-town 26000 seat stadium for at least 20 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossetts_Farm_Stadium refers, but the 21000 is smaller than originally proposed. Planning permission was granted once, but it lapsed because (IIRC) of the financial collapse of 2007-8. It's utterly bonkers. Southend's current ground, although scruffy and needing to be rebuilt, is in exactly the right place. The current capacity is 12000 - although >30000 of us crammed in to watch Southend draw 0 - 0 with Liverpool (and the snow) in the late 1970s.
He did. And Jeremy Corbyn visited the New Lawn during his campaign. The former MP, Labour's David Drew, is on the board of FGR. We have aTroy now, but that was probably more due to an ex-MEP standing for the Green Party.
He did. And Jeremy Corbyn visited the New Lawn during his campaign. The former MP, Labour's David Drew, is on the board of FGR. We have aTroy now, but that was probably more due to an ex-MEP standing for the Green Party.
This Troy - would it be worth inserting a wooden horse into him?
A 21,000 capacity stadium for a team facing relegation from League 2? Hmmm....Agree with all of that. The rot set in when Middlesbrough (my then-nearest team) moved from Ayresome park (walking distance from anywhere in Middlesbrough) to the "Riverside" - only accessible by helicopter. They didn't need the extra room (Middlesbrough will never have a capacity crowd - except in the 66 world cup) but now Ayresome Park is houses, just like your scenario. And the new shirts are awful - lime green, orange and pink should all be banned in football!Southend's owner, Ron Martin, has been pushing for an out-of-town 26000 seat stadium for at least 20 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossetts_Farm_Stadium refers, but the 21000 is smaller than originally proposed. Planning permission was granted once, but it lapsed because (IIRC) of the financial collapse of 2007-8. It's utterly bonkers. Southend's current ground, although scruffy and needing to be rebuilt, is in exactly the right place. The current capacity is 12000 - although >30000 of us crammed in to watch Southend draw 0 - 0 with Liverpool (and the snow) in the late 1970s.
The proposed new ground will be on the east side of the town, which is notoriously inaccessible for road traffic: the Liverpool Street - Southend Victoria railway line runs N-S at that point and, combined with the pedestrianised high street, neatly bisects the town. There are only 3 crossing points other than the sea front, which is "shared use" (or a given value thereof) all of which are problematic.
I'm sure that Southend is far from unique in that its council is expected (by central government) to build a whole load of new houses but with a Victorian infrastructure just not designed to cope with the amount of traffic that is expected to be generated by all the people who live in those houses. But I suspect that that particular problem affects Southend far more acutely than most other towns of a similar size, i.e. almost 200000.
Rochdale have just soared to the bottom of League 1 (formerly known as Division 12), so if you survive, our conversations in this thread may become more "interesting"!
In 2006-7, when Southend were a "Championship" team, their highest home attendance was occasionally over 11000, but ISTR that the ground capacity was set at 12000. By contrast, some of their opponents were attracting well over 20000 to home games - teams with a much longer history of being decent clubs (Ipswich, Norwich, Derby, Southampton). Perhaps their most impressive run of results then was in the League Cup, when in consecutive rounds they played Bournemouth, Brighton, Leeds, Manchester United and Tottenham, losing to this last 1 - 0 after extra time.A 21,000 capacity stadium for a team facing relegation from League 2? Hmmm....Agree with all of that. The rot set in when Middlesbrough (my then-nearest team) moved from Ayresome park (walking distance from anywhere in Middlesbrough) to the "Riverside" - only accessible by helicopter. They didn't need the extra room (Middlesbrough will never have a capacity crowd - except in the 66 world cup) but now Ayresome Park is houses, just like your scenario. And the new shirts are awful - lime green, orange and pink should all be banned in football!Southend's owner, Ron Martin, has been pushing for an out-of-town 26000 seat stadium for at least 20 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossetts_Farm_Stadium refers, but the 21000 is smaller than originally proposed. Planning permission was granted once, but it lapsed because (IIRC) of the financial collapse of 2007-8. It's utterly bonkers. Southend's current ground, although scruffy and needing to be rebuilt, is in exactly the right place. The current capacity is 12000 - although >30000 of us crammed in to watch Southend draw 0 - 0 with Liverpool (and the snow) in the late 1970s.
The proposed new ground will be on the east side of the town, which is notoriously inaccessible for road traffic: the Liverpool Street - Southend Victoria railway line runs N-S at that point and, combined with the pedestrianised high street, neatly bisects the town. There are only 3 crossing points other than the sea front, which is "shared use" (or a given value thereof) all of which are problematic.
I'm sure that Southend is far from unique in that its council is expected (by central government) to build a whole load of new houses but with a Victorian infrastructure just not designed to cope with the amount of traffic that is expected to be generated by all the people who live in those houses. But I suspect that that particular problem affects Southend far more acutely than most other towns of a similar size, i.e. almost 200000.
Most of the Lowly Ones were in action tonight, largely against one another. Perhaps the biggest surprise was Grimsby's win over Barrow, given Barrow's recent winning ways. Southend drew 0 - 0 against fellow-languishers Walsall, but Colchester drew 2 - 2 with Tranmere, which was their best result for ages.looking like a struggle from here to stay up. I saw the red card on 519 and it was something of a shocker
Grimsby are still bottom, but have gone at least 5 games without loss. They have a game in hand over Southend, who have 1 point more. Barrow are 6 points ahead of Southend and have two games in hand.
Port Vale (20th) also beat Newport who are 4th. There are lots of games, but Southend need to win some.I hope Newport don't get promoted. When they used to be in the same division as Bristol Rovers (now League One) the whole Gloucester Road used to be blocked.
We could solve that by Bristol Rovers getting relegated. :P Given they are second from bottom having lost their last 4 - I think you probably want Newport to be promoted. :)Port Vale (20th) also beat Newport who are 4th. There are lots of games, but Southend need to win some.I hope Newport don't get promoted. When they used to be in the same division as Bristol Rovers (now League One) the whole Gloucester Road used to be blocked.
I couldn't believe how far the Us had slipped, col U that us. Sorry wow but having seen them play a few times and working pretty much next to the community stadium I would like Colchester to stay up but ideally as a localish club I don't particularly want Southend to go down
Of the top 8 or 9 clubs in the National League, only Sutton (who are top) have never been in the first 4 divisions. Notts County, who are bottom of that lot (the first 8 or 9) are founder members of the Football League (I think) and the oldest professional team in the world - and it's looking like they've still got the same players.....Halifax are a Phoenix club, so their claim to league football is slightly tenuous, but yeah. There are 3 ex League clubs in the National League North (Kettering, Kidderminster, and York), I think there are something like 7 ex-premier league clubs in Division 1 as well, so some clubs have had significant falls from grace.
PS There's really no such thing as a full-time professional sportsman.
Ha, yes, Duncan, I know what full-time means "officially" but you'd be hard-pushed to find a pro. putting in a 40-hour week, I think. Anyway, I'm just teasing.I know - I think that's a cultural thing rather than anything else. If you look at US sports, they probably spend considerably more time "watching film" than they do in the gym and at practise and at games combined. Though I guess if you include travel time, footballers (especially those who travel everywhere by coach) might come close with 2 long away trips in a week.
Of the top 8 or 9 clubs in the National League, only Sutton (who are top) have never been in the first 4 divisions. Notts County, who are bottom of that lot (the first 8 or 9) are founder members of the Football League (I think) and the oldest professional team in the world - and it's looking like they've still got the same players.....Halifax are a Phoenix club, so their claim to league football is slightly tenuous, but yeah. There are 3 ex League clubs in the National League North (Kettering, Kidderminster, and York), I think there are something like 7 ex-premier league clubs in Division 1 as well, so some clubs have had significant falls from grace.
PS There's really no such thing as a full-time professional sportsman.
Full-time in sporting terms tends to mean that you don't have to have another job. Lots of the National League N/S players have other jobs as well as playing football.
Ha, yes, Duncan, I know what full-time means "officially" but you'd be hard-pushed to find a pro. putting in a 40-hour week, I think. Anyway, I'm just teasing.Can you clarify what you mean by this? Sunderland were not one of the original members of the football league
I think Sunderland have had a significant fall from grace, which is always good to see: they were the last of the original members of the top division to be relegated.
Fair enough - I didn't research all of the clubs in National League N (or S), I was just going from memory. Apologies for missing out your team!Of the top 8 or 9 clubs in the National League, only Sutton (who are top) have never been in the first 4 divisions. Notts County, who are bottom of that lot (the first 8 or 9) are founder members of the Football League (I think) and the oldest professional team in the world - and it's looking like they've still got the same players.....Halifax are a Phoenix club, so their claim to league football is slightly tenuous, but yeah. There are 3 ex League clubs in the National League North (Kettering, Kidderminster, and York), I think there are something like 7 ex-premier league clubs in Division 1 as well, so some clubs have had significant falls from grace.
PS There's really no such thing as a full-time professional sportsman.
Pretty sure Darlington used to be in the football league when I used to spend time down at Feethams watching them. ( Despite some false claims, they are not a phoenix club and are the same club as was founded in 1883)
Same as Boston United were in the football league and so were Southport
However, Kettering were never a Football League Club
That excludes the successor clubs like Halifax, Gateshead, Hereford, Bradford (Park Avenue) and Chester who are not the same clubs as were in the Football League
Ha, yes, Duncan, I know what full-time means "officially" but you'd be hard-pushed to find a pro. putting in a 40-hour week, I think. Anyway, I'm just teasing.Can you clarify what you mean by this? Sunderland were not one of the original members of the football league
I think Sunderland have had a significant fall from grace, which is always good to see: they were the last of the original members of the top division to be relegated.
Ha, yes, Duncan, I know what full-time means "officially" but you'd be hard-pushed to find a pro. putting in a 40-hour week, I think. Anyway, I'm just teasing.Can you clarify what you mean by this? Sunderland were not one of the original members of the football league
I think Sunderland have had a significant fall from grace, which is always good to see: they were the last of the original members of the top division to be relegated.
Clarification is simple: I was wrong - but not by much! They joined the league in it's 3rd year, I think, won it loads of times early on (they are still one of the most successful teams so far in the top division, though not for about 100 years!). I think what I may be remembering is that when they were relegated for the first time in 1958, they had been in the top division longer than anyone else (about 70 years) but I may be wrong about that, too! It's fascinating to realise that Accrington were founder members and finished halfway up the table. I can remember their decades in the wilderness.
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Fair enough - I didn't research all of the clubs in National League N (or S), I was just going from memory. Apologies for missing out your team!
HTGT - OK, but it gets a little tedious if one has to say "a team from Accrington" and so on, every time, especially for a topic that's not important anyway. By the way, were you old enough to be at Feethams when a team from Durham upset a team from west London in a 4th round FA cup replay?
You really know how to hurt, don't you? Brentford play in Sunderland shirts!
Mmmmm. Bolton are usually heavily in debt, which is why they are in that division, really. Either way, it helps Grimsby or Southend, I suppose. If it's Bolton, it might also affect the promotions, too.
This thread may need to be renamed the local lower leagues club thread
There was an article in one of the local newspapers I think about how little Colchester have spent the last year and have risked relegation by being financially stable where as lots of clubs are at no risk of relegation but at more financial risk
Southend have got Phil Brown back who i seem to recall managed Colchester back in the day.
This thread may need to be renamed the local lower leagues club thread
There was an article in one of the local newspapers I think about how little Colchester have spent the last year and have risked relegation by being financially stable where as lots of clubs are at no risk of relegation but at more financial risk
Southend have got Phil Brown back who i seem to recall managed Colchester back in the day.
Oi! You start your own thread!
As mentioned above, having been shafted financially by HM Govt, it seems unlikely that the season will be completed and if that eventuality comes to be, then there will be no promotion or relegation.
I wonder how Altrincham would have coped in the 4th Division/League 2, had they been promoted
all those years ago when they used to regularly win the National League (or whatever it was called
bitd*)?
* for all those who throw abbreviations around.....back in the day...
IAKT. ::-)I wonder how Altrincham would have coped in the 4th Division/League 2, had they been promoted
all those years ago when they used to regularly win the National League (or whatever it was called
bitd*)?
* for all those who throw abbreviations around.....back in the day...
Well, bitd (as you put it) the club finishing bottom of the English football league would apply for re-admission. So as long as the chairman had plenty of mates in league, they stayed up. Otherwise they went down. Clubs hardly ever went down.
So the probable reason for Altrincham's failure to get promoted is Hartlepool, who as I understand it, hold the record for the most re-elections.
Eta. Hartlepool's record may of course be an urban myth as recounted to me by FiL and Bs iL
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Well, bitd (as you put it) the club finishing bottom of the English football league would apply for re-admission. So as long as the chairman had plenty of mates in league, they stayed up.
Peterborough was 1960-61, I believe.
They worked their way up to the 3rd Division, then were relegated to the 4th for cooking the books (I think they paid players too much)
Barrow beat Exeter yesterday, so I think they are safe now (9 points ahead of Southend with a game in hand). Looks like it's 2 from Grimsby, Southend, and Colchester (assuming no points deductions for teams above).
It's strange how every week teams in the top few keep losing to the rest. Tranmere (4th) lost to Walsall (19th) yesterday (reduced schedule meant only 4 teams in the top 7 were playing, and 2 of them were against playoff hopefuls). Forrest Green (now in 7th) fired their boss a couple of days ago after losing 4 in a row.
Sorry wow but its not currently looking good for Southend
Sorry wow but its not currently looking good for Southend
One more win for Barrow and Southend are relegated.
Jaded. I didn't realise that you played for Forest Green. Is it wise to be posting during a game? No wonder you're losing.
Jaded. I didn't realise that you played for Forest Green. Is it wise to be posting during a game? No wonder you're losing.
Oh, I've been on the pitch a few times...
Jaded. I didn't realise that you played for Forest Green. Is it wise to be posting during a game? No wonder you're losing.
Oh, I've been on the pitch a few times...
I've never heard it called that before... ;)
They are now challenging the relegation.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57022942 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57022942)
They are now challenging the relegation.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57022942 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57022942)
Hoping that Stockport County's recent run of good form continues (to take them to automatic promotion).They are now challenging the relegation.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57022942 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57022942)
Not happy with that. Hardly Poo Untied are still on track to return to the second div either via the play offs or by winning the league outright.
They are now challenging the relegation.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57022942 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57022942)
The cause of the fire has been recorded as accidental or deliberate.
Southend win their first match in the National League! 1 - 0 v Kings Lynn.
Have faith, Southend are only in the National League for a short stay...
... I'm not saying which end of the National League they will escape via
Have faith, Southend are only in the National League for a short stay...
... I'm not saying which end of the National League they will escape via
The south end, by the looks of it! They are now 21st out of 23 teams, having lost 4 games in a row.
https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/match/2021-2022/national-league/southend-united/eastleigh/380963 (https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/match/2021-2022/national-league/southend-united/eastleigh/380963)
Attendance: 3,342
Sounds pretty good to me but I see you had more than 6,000 v Wrexham for a Saturday game last month.
.... Chesterfield (what are they doing outside the league?) ....
Or crookedness. Not that that applies in any way to Chesterfield.
I think that's what Nuncio meant. Chesterfield a-spire to greater things and just occasionally they happen: they were surprise semi-finalists in the FA Cup one year. An even bigger surprise was that they couldn't get past Middlesbrough.
I think that's what Nuncio meant. Chesterfield a-spire to greater things and just occasionally they happen: they were surprise semi-finalists in the FA Cup one year. An even bigger surprise was that they couldn't get past Middlesbrough.;D
Development & Control Committee, 25/10/2021
I oppose this plan for environmental and traffic related reasons.
Roots Hall is the ideal place for a stadium because it is within easy access of residential roads so that many home supporters can walk to games, and away supporters travelling by train have stations within a short walk. Southend has a man-made north-south barrier in the form of the railway with limited crossing points. Any development to the east of the railway will inevitably cause major traffic issues. The proposed location of this stadium and its associated commercial development would place enormous demands on Priory Crescent and East Street and it is unsuitable in that it is much further from any residential areas. Football supporters would be less likely to walk to games and car use would be increased. Should Southend United ever attract 21000 supporters to a home game, then that would imply that in the two hours leading up to kick-off, many thousands of extra cars would clog up what are already bottlenecks. It was only recently that the opening of the Aldi supermarket in Priory Crescent caused major issues on a Saturday afternoon. Just imagine what would happen if a large football crowd were added to that mix. In fact, it is many years since Southend United regularly drew crowds in excess of 5000 and their current parlous state makes this development unnecessary as Roots Hall can easily cope with double that number. The club has absolutely no need for a stadium any larger than Roots Hall.
Those of us who live on busy roads are already subject to too much traffic noise and pollution. It is unreasonable to increase that. Furthermore, on 19th September 2019, Southend Borough Council declared a climate emergency. Climate change is the overriding issue which should govern every council policy. We saw only last week the dangerous levels of flooding brought about by increasingly frequent heavy downpours. The infrastructure of the town cannot cope with the demands that a changing climate and new developments such as this stadium will place upon it. It’s an unnecessary development in the wrong place and at the wrong time. It runs contrary to public interest and I urge this committee to reject the application.
Do they want the capacity for football or for other events: concerts, fairs, expos, conventions, and so on? Where would those events currently be held in Southend?
Outside the Football League you can make money from your stadium by having a plastic pitch which can accommodate concerts, fairs, sporting events etc. without affecting the playing surface. But when Harrogate were promoted to league 2 ("We’re not just about Betty's tea shop anymore") they had to replace the artificial pitch at Wetherby Road with turf. It cost £200,000 to install the turf pitch, and home games for the first 10 weeks of their new exalted status were played at Doncaster,Doesn't the Championship count as part of the League? Ashton Gate (Bristol City) is used for concerts etc, I don't know what the pitch is made of but do know they switch it round between football and rugby on a weekly basis – pretty sure it's some sort of astro turf.
.... pretty sure it's some sort of astro turf
..... Once he's got his development approved (and bear in mind that, as Jaded says, a lot of it is "outline") he will be in a position to build houses on both sites. It would be very convenient to him to kill the football club and just forget about the stadium.
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Ha! And there I was wondering if it should be astro turf or astroturf. Pretty sure it's originally a brand name, so maybe Astroturf – or even AstroTurf. I've heard them referred to as 3G, 4G, etc (not sure how many generations they've got into).The 5G one they inject into you on the orders of Bill Gates apparently
We have a new Desso pitch. So it’s real grass, but within it are vertically stitched artificial grass strands, punched deep into the soil, which intertwine with the real grass at the root zone and make it stronger. So imagine walking along a beach, and how the sand feels moving underfoot - well a Desso pitch stops that movement happening. It’s based on sand which is then packed down by the lawn mower making it even firmer. You don’t get chunks ripped out of it like you see after rugby scrums on TV.https://visitbristol.co.uk/blog/read/2017/01/meet-ashton-gate-stadiums-head-of-grounds-b403
Yes, it would be interesting (in an ESL sense) to know the percentage of plans that end up being rejected after an initial outline planning acceptance. I'd suspect very few. It's a huge warning indicator, I think.
Ronald Martin, 68, and former chief executive Geoffrey King, 75, are accused of failing to pay £4,485,000 in VAT over the sale of land in Cheltenham, Gloucestershire.
The pair are also accused of failing to pay £921,260 of VAT in relation to the sale of land in Thundersley, Essex, to the same firm, Redrow Homes PLC.
..... Once he's got his development approved (and bear in mind that, as Jaded says, a lot of it is "outline") he will be in a position to build houses on both sites. It would be very convenient to him to kill the football club and just forget about the stadium.
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A very cynical thought :o :o :o
Yes, it would be interesting (in an ESL sense) to know the percentage of plans that end up being rejected after an initial outline planning acceptance. I'd suspect very few. It's a huge warning indicator, I think.
..... Once he's got his development approved (and bear in mind that, as Jaded says, a lot of it is "outline") he will be in a position to build houses on both sites. It would be very convenient to him to kill the football club and just forget about the stadium.
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A very cynical thought :o :o :o
A view borne out of a long time watching Ron Martin and Southend Council.
Yes, it would be interesting (in an ESL sense) to know the percentage of plans that end up being rejected after an initial outline planning acceptance. I'd suspect very few. It's a huge warning indicator, I think.
What has this to do with the Essex Senior League - Southend won't be playing in it for at least another 4 seasons on current form
Yes, it would be interesting (in an ESL sense) to know the percentage of plans that end up being rejected after an initial outline planning acceptance. I'd suspect very few. It's a huge warning indicator, I think.
Outline is a backdoor way of getting permission you wouldn't have got if you had put a full applicationin…
Never heard of Damon Peacock and the only use of the acronym ESL I know of is Essex Senior League.Yes, it would be interesting (in an ESL sense) to know the percentage of plans that end up being rejected after an initial outline planning acceptance. I'd suspect very few. It's a huge warning indicator, I think.
What has this to do with the Essex Senior League - Southend won't be playing in it for at least another 4 seasons on current form
It was a reference to Exit stage left, the late-lamented Damon Peacock, who always found everything.... interesting! I expect you knew that, really.
Ha! I think a little research on this forum might indicate to you that ESL, as an acronym for Damon Peacock. audaxer, cycling video poster on here and you tube, would ring a bell with hundreds of people on YACF, whereas I suspect you (and possibly Bobb) might be the only people on here (and possibly the only people outside Essex) who have even heard of the Essex Senior League. However, as I see you joined YACF at around the time Damon's illness caused him to stop posting here (he WAS ESL), this is perfectly understandable. Damon died earlier this year and there was quite a lot of traffic on here about him and his funeral. But as none of that was under his own forum name, you will have missed it. Happy to help.
Peter
Sure, a different sub-forum (not forum) and a different person not previously referenced in this discussion. That reference was not actually intended for you and the reference was explained when the confusion became evident.
Any group that has been around for a while will have a history and some in-group references. YACF is no different. None of this is criticising you. Peter just forgot that not everybody understands every semi-obscure reference. No big deal.
Ha! I think a little research on this forum might indicate to you that ESL, as an acronym for Damon Peacock. audaxer, cycling video poster on here and you tube, would ring a bell with hundreds of people on YACF, whereas I suspect you (and possibly Bobb) might be the only people on here (and possibly the only people outside Essex) who have even heard of the Essex Senior League. However, as I see you joined YACF at around the time Damon's illness caused him to stop posting here (he WAS ESL), this is perfectly understandable. Damon died earlier this year and there was quite a lot of traffic on here about him and his funeral. But as none of that was under his own forum name, you will have missed it. Happy to help.
Peter
so from a reference to ESL, I was supposed to know that refers to some random acronym attached to some obscure bloke on a different forum?
Like I said, my mind reading skills are obviously not up to scratch.
Oh and this is a thread about a football club in Essex, which is where strangely the Essex Senior League - a football league is based
HTGT - it's not going well, is it, though probably according to plan!
Maybe you are going to have to bite the bullet and draw a line under Southend. I found it surprisingly easy to do when the Arab murderers bought Newcastle. I ditched decades of supporting my childhood team and now throw my almost non-existent weight behind Rochdale, where I've lived for 40 years and more. I thought it would be hard, but it wasn't!
All the best
Peter
Maybe Woking might be a better bet? They seem to be doing ok!
I read that SUFC chairman Ron “Honest” Martin’s court case in respect of allegations that he and another defrauded HMRC of a sum in excess of £5m has been adjourned, with talk of a trial date of May 2023. His co-allegee (is that a word?) is 75. Something tells me this one will run and run…
A simple resolution might have been Rose and Gilbert
Or just the Gilbert & Rose stand. No need to mention that it's the West stand.
I did not know that. Thank you.
Or just the Gilbert & Rose stand. No need to mention that it's the West stand.
Following Hillsborough, all stands are required to have the geographical location in its official name.
You would never forget the 999 call for the ambulance at Hillsborough where it took several minutes to dispatch ambulances because caller was referring to stand and operator asking where it was.
It's a big one tonight, the opponents being Halifax Town, who are two places below Southend in the table. The boredom is palpable.
It's a big one tonight, the opponents being Halifax Town, who are two places below Southend in the table. The boredom is palpable.
Is Southend in a time warp?
Southend played Halifax last Tuesday (16th August). They drew 0-0 and reached the lofty heights of 5th bottom (1 place outside relegation zone) as a result. Next up is a home game with former Premiership side Oldham on 20 August
It's a big one tonight, the opponents being Halifax Town, who are two places below Southend in the table. The boredom is palpable.
Is Southend in a time warp?
Southend played Halifax last Tuesday (16th August). They drew 0-0 and reached the lofty heights of 5th bottom (1 place outside relegation zone) as a result. Next up is a home game with former Premiership side Oldham on 20 August
Wow’s post refers to 16th Aug and was posted on 16th Aug ;D
A home win for Saarfend! 1 - 0 v Thlatic .
How utterly beastly of Eastleigh!
How utterly beastly of Eastleigh!
Normal Service resumed by Southend
Another defeat for Hartlepool today.
Still no wins in the first 9 games of season.
@Wowbagger. I'll stop trespassing on your thread as soon as Hartlepool get their first win.
So, probably some time next season in the National League.
Disappointing for all the north-east clubs, Basil - expect relief that Boro' didn't play. I may have mentioned this before, but I'm guessing you remember the old system in which bottom clubs in Division 4 or Division 3 North had to rely on the goodwill of the FA to be re-elected. That was 'Pool every season for decades!.
A remarkable away win for Southend today, 1 - 0 at Wealdstone, made all the more remarkable in that a Southend player was sent off after 71 minutes. Southend are now 14th in a league of 24 teams.
Chairman Ron Martin has issued the following statement.
I want to take this opportunity to address our committed fans on the recent financial developments this week. I share and understand your frustrations and hope the below gives some insight into our position.
The latest problem has arisen due to a delay in the programme. As result of this issue, we missed a payment under our Time To Pay Agreement with HMRC. This is the agreement we entered into (like many other clubs) following the pandemic, instead of taking a loan from the Premier League. Up to August, the Club, with the support of the group met the debt payments under the agreement.
HMRC have now cancelled the Time to Pay Agreement, which, given the current economic climate I believe to be premature, particularly given the agreement was due to finish in December 2022.
Bridging finance has been agreed, but has not yet been completed. Once it has (weeks not months) we will discharge the HMRC debt in full.
On the pitch the performances have been encouraging, behind the scenes the staff continue to work hard and the supporters have been great both home & away this season. The finances will be resolved soon, at which point we can continue on our upward trajectory.
Let’s get behind the boys today.
Ron
Crikey! Southend are currently 2 - 0 up with less than 20 minutes to go. Poor old Scunthorpe are the opponents. ISTR that they were relegated from Division 4 at the same time as Southend, and are now very near the bottom of whatever league they play in now, whereas Southend are 9th. And, presumably, climbing.
You are not alone, J. I thought they were Solihull Motors, too!
Hardly-poo Untied 3 nil down, and it's not even half time yet.
I suppose I should just give up and accept the inevitable.
Interesting match at Roots hall today. Darlington took the lead after 1 minute, Southend equalised 5 minutes later. The same player, one Harry Cardwell, scored Southend's winner in the 3rd minute (out of 9) of injury time. This was an FA Trophy match.
Had it not been for Southend's winner, I was speculating that this match was a bit like Bizet's opera "The Pearl Fishers*". You don't want to turn up five minutes late for that: the famous duet comes right at the start and the rest of the opera is a bit meh - or so I'm told. I've never listened to it.
*not to be confused with The Shrimpers.
The future of Southend United Football Club hangs in the balance. A petition by His Majesty’s Revenue and Customs (HMRC) to have the club wound up over unpaid tax liabilities has just been adjourned by the high court until March. The court had previously granted one stay of execution from November to January, but agreed another after being persuaded by lawyers for the fifth-tier club that it may yet clear its debts.Wowbagger wearing a false clean-shaven face at a recent SUFC match:
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https://theconversation.com/football-club-collapses-in-lower-leagues-how-to-avoid-them-for-the-good-of-the-community-198244
It's not mentioned in the article but AIUI lower league clubs are most likely to go insolvent in two circumstances: either when they've been relegated and suffer a loss in both TV rights and gate receipts (there are parachute payments for clubs demoted from the Premier League, I'm not sure about clubs demoted within the Football League), or when chasing promotion, so spending big on players and ground improvements, but failing to get it.clubs are more likely to go insolvent when their outgoings are higher than their income. Just the same as applies in any ther business.
It seems to me that the Southend owner has starved the club of finances. .....
It seems to me that the Southend owner has starved the club of finances. He took over when in 2006 when Southend were a championship side and started their campaign with a win over Sunderland, who were promoted to the Premiership, whilst Southend were relegated. That season they had a League Cup run beating Brighton, Bournemouth, Leeds, Man United, and eventually losing to Tottenham 1 - 0 after extra time. Ever since then, Southend have been in a steady decline.
The owner, Ron Martin, has made no secret of the fact that he wants to "develop" Roots Hall and build and out-of town stadium with shopping centre. In October 2021 I spoke at a Council meeting opposing these plans because of the location of the new stadium and the effect it would have on the roads nearby. The council granted the planning permission anyway. That is not the first time the planning permission had been granted for such a scheme - on a previous occasion it lapsed because nothing was done.
The day after the meeting, it was announced that Martin would appear in court on fraud charges relating to more than £5m in unpaid VAT on land deals.
I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that Martin is playing a "long game" to make make millions on the deal: he's planning to build a stadium for a club that is about 5 times the size of the biggest crowd they normally get. Every so often, Martin "dips into his back pocket" to pay Southend's tax debt. Some staff also have to wait or their wages.
https://www.echo-news.co.uk/sport/23218665.southend-united-staff-still-waiting-novembers-wages/
https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/19735530.southend-united-chairman-ron-martin-court-unpaid-tax-claim/
And outgoings are most likely to exceed income when income has suddenly dropped as a result of relegation. Some players can be sold, but only a few, and that harms the chances of getting back up again, and the ground still has to be maintained though fewer visiting fans (and likely fewer home fans too) will visit. So those are common causes of club insolvency.It's not mentioned in the article but AIUI lower league clubs are most likely to go insolvent in two circumstances: either when they've been relegated and suffer a loss in both TV rights and gate receipts (there are parachute payments for clubs demoted from the Premier League, I'm not sure about clubs demoted within the Football League), or when chasing promotion, so spending big on players and ground improvements, but failing to get it.clubs are more likely to go insolvent when their outgoings are higher than their income. Just the same as applies in any ther business.
the difference is too many football club owners are reckless with their finances
There is a good case that football clubs, especially community ones in the lower leagues shouldn't be regular businesses, but should be some for of community asset. If you force everyone to run at break even then being fan owned suddenly seems like a viable plan. But there are too many fans waiting for the right owner to come along and spend billions to get them to the promised land. And there are owners like those at Stoke (the Coates family?) who resent being blocked from putting more money in.
Surprisingly common in Scotland though according to that list.Not really.
Both at once?Yes; Wowbagger and his Tilley hat.
Both at once?Yes; Wowbagger and his Tilley hat.
Southend recorded a 2 - 1 away to Torquay yesterday. This could be their last ever game.
Southend United say they have paid the £1.4m tax bill owed to HM Revenue & Customs in time for the club's winding-up hearing on Wednesday.
Six now. I knew they shouldn't have played with their best players on international duty.
.... They've outlasted Oldham, Bury, Accrington Stanley and Stockport, though the latter two do a bit of yo-yo-ing. ....
the OsEnglish football is such a sea of Uniteds and Cities that any vaguely unusual club name is always worthy of a little bit of support, however far away:
the OsEnglish football is such a sea of Uniteds and Cities that any vaguely unusual club name is always worthy of a little bit of support, however far away:
Leyton Orient
Preston North End
Tottenham Hotspur
Queens Park Rangers [is Queens Park an actual place? Aren't they Kings Park Rangers now?]
and various Albions, a few Rovers and a couple of Wanderers.
And FGR will be recycled into League Two.
FGR need another manager.
Bumping this thread again: Southend United are in court again on 12th of this month to face another winding-up petition.
Southend lost to Dorking during the week. Currently entertaining Hardlypoo. 1 - 1 at present.
A shocking development at Fossets - The planning approval and the whole proposal was for a football stadium, any ancillary development, like apartments and retail, were purely to bolster the financial business case of building the stadium.
I read with some concern today that the continued distressing saga that is Southend United FC’s position under current owner Ron Martin has taken an even more unpleasant turn.
Negotiations between the consortium led by Justin Rees and the current owner are continuing, albeit painfully slowly. It has been revealed today that Ron Martin now wants to develop the Fossetts Farm scheme *without* the new football stadium.
Oh good oh. I had been concerned that Hardlypoo Untied would loose the three points they gained.;D
Having had 10 points deducted, and the club having survived after an 11th hour reprieve earlier this month, Southend thumped Solihull Moors 5 - 0 today. I don't know whether the rules have allowed them to introduce more players into their squad, but it looked like another very good crowd, judging by the number of fans walking past our house during the hour before kick-off.Interestingly I drove down your road before kickoff on Saturday and knocked on the door to say hi but no-one was in.
Having had 10 points deducted, and the club having survived after an 11th hour reprieve earlier this month, Southend thumped Solihull Moors 5 - 0 today. I don't know whether the rules have allowed them to introduce more players into their squad, but it looked like another very good crowd, judging by the number of fans walking past our house during the hour before kick-off.Interestingly I drove down your road before kickoff on Saturday and knocked on the door to say hi but no-one was in.
Good grief! I have a date with a lady (Liz, to whom I normally give a lift to choir) to attend a Southend match! We are going to the 18th November fixture against Chesterfield at Roots Hall. Her suggestion - it's Southend's next Saturday home match. Southend are actually playing at home this coming Tuesday evening, but that clashes with our choir practice and Liz's trip to Egypt.
Liz's husband, Paul, is very much into his football and he does some sort of football-related blog. It seems that yesterday he was doing something at Charlton Athletic.
We weren’t at it today, however the top looks the same as it did before the game.
Naylor below average, and when he’s not at it it says everything really.
Fair play Southend. Best side we’ve played this season, they really gave everything for that. We move on.
My understanding it's down to Ron Martin using the club as a lever to try and force every ounce out of Southend Council in order to get planning permission for the houses he wants to build at Fossetts Farm. He really is a piece of shit.
Edit: as per the very first post in this thread, from 2013.
The Posh spent seven seasons in the 3rd Division. They reached the quarter-finals of the 1964–65 FA Cup, beating Arsenal and Swansea Town along the way before going out to Chelsea. They were relegated back to the 4th Division for financial irregularities in the summer of 1968.
Peterborough had a good year. If you'd stayed near Stamford Bridge, you'd have been able to watch Chelsea put 5 past them in the 6th round of the cup. I don't think Posh had been in the "real" leagues long, either.During my brief teaching career i taught the son of one of the Chelsea players in that match whose final club before retirement and pub ownership was Peterborough.
I saw it, Jaded. Myself was annoyed.Himself annoyed yourself. Probably time for yourself to make a post about German football in the grammar thread itself.
A thrilling 0-0 draw away to the Monkeyhangers yesterday.
Solihull Moors 0 - 3 SUFC.
IIRC that's 8 - 0 on aggregate against the team in 5th place...
It comes as the consortium, which is due to take control of the Shrimpers from chairman Ron Martin, continues to invest heavily in the club despite not yet formally owning it.
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Why have they not wrested control of the club from that noxious little crook?
Yeovil will be there as well. :D