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Title: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Ruthie on 03 October, 2020, 03:15:06 pm
Felt quite smug when I discovered you could have arch it for free on S4C.

Slightly less smug when I realized the commentary is in Welsh and there’s no subtitles. No idea what’s going on whatsoever. Seems to be a TT with a slippery section of new tarmac.

Are there any free alternatives? This essay won’t procrastinate itself y’know.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: orienteer on 03 October, 2020, 03:24:08 pm
No free access, Eurosport is the only other channel I believe.

So like F1 these days, I don't see it  :(
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: eckagain on 03 October, 2020, 03:33:43 pm
Aye, saw that S4C were showing it.  Do you know the Welsh for Jumbo Visma? And why is Geraint Thomas mentioned so often?
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Pingu on 03 October, 2020, 03:54:50 pm
Highlights are on Quest.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: rogerzilla on 03 October, 2020, 07:51:54 pm
Miguel Angel Lopez does it again.  The guy's a disaster area!
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 03 October, 2020, 08:02:44 pm
Miguel Angel Lopez does it again.  The guy's a disaster area!

What the hell happened there? It looked very odd.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 03 October, 2020, 08:07:02 pm
Highlights are on Quest.

That is Ch114 on our Freeview box but YMMV
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: RichForrest on 03 October, 2020, 08:12:20 pm
Miguel Angel Lopez does it again.  The guy's a disaster area!

What the hell happened there? It looked very odd.

Watching it earlier it looked like he was moving from his tribars to go round the corner, his front wheel hit a bump and with only 1 hand lightly on his bars it caused him to lose balance and throw him into the barriers.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: rob on 03 October, 2020, 08:18:58 pm
Reports of gusty conditions.  Some commentators blaming disc wheels but that’s pretty unlikely.  Probably a few people choosing front wheels with surface areas a bit too big.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Mr Larrington on 03 October, 2020, 08:35:34 pm
Highlights are on Quest.

It's not the same without *** & Super D :'(
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: rogerzilla on 03 October, 2020, 08:53:25 pm
Wiggins looks like a US white supremacist now.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Pingu on 03 October, 2020, 09:13:34 pm
Highlights are on Quest.

It's not the same without *** & Super D :'(

No. No it is not.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: DuncanM on 04 October, 2020, 09:36:01 am
Victor Campagnaerts had a massive whinge about the course.  Said it had oil on it and was dangerous, and he didn't feel he could get on the aerobars on the straight!
He crashed, so you could argue it's sour grapes, but he is a serious time trialist, so at least the last bit should be taken into consideration.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: giropaul on 04 October, 2020, 12:07:18 pm
Geraint said that he had been advised to change his front wheel because of the wind, but in the end just left things as they were and “ went for it”.
There were a lot of twigs and leaves blowing around.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: fd3 on 04 October, 2020, 03:43:23 pm
Oil on the course for the TT in the Giro (and the Vuelta) is tradition.  Not sure why anyone would complain about it, it's the same every year.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Mr Larrington on 04 October, 2020, 08:27:54 pm
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Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Pingu on 04 October, 2020, 08:30:59 pm
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You got my hopes up there.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: fimm on 05 October, 2020, 12:08:08 pm
The commentators on Eurosport had an unfortunate massive attack of the commentator's curse during the TT:

A: Victor Campagnaerts was complaining about the course
B: He did crash
A: He's the only person to have crashed
B: So far - let's hope it stays that way
Together: OH! NO! (Lopez crashes)

(not exact dialogue)

Rohan Dennis was having issues with the wind as well - I think he might have been unlucky and got a particularly windy moment.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: fimm on 05 October, 2020, 12:10:21 pm
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I wish to complain. Every time they mentioned Thomas de Gendt on the highlights, I heard "and his hipsta beard" in my head.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Mr Larrington on 05 October, 2020, 04:06:45 pm
Thomas de Gendt doesn’t have a hipsta beard, though.  Simon Geschke is the One True Hipster in the pro ranks and never mind that arriviste Geoffrey Soupe.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: rogerzilla on 05 October, 2020, 04:13:47 pm
Aren't we getting a lolspeak thread for the Giro?
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Mr Larrington on 05 October, 2020, 04:23:20 pm
Aren't we getting a lolspeak thread for the Giro?

Only highlights on FTA TV and none of the Usual Suspects in the colemantary box.  That'd be a “No”, then.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: rogerzilla on 05 October, 2020, 07:28:36 pm
Jim Ratcliffe appears to have spunked a lot of money up the wall for not much this year.  Hopefully his made-in-France wankpanzer will be just as successful.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 05 October, 2020, 07:41:26 pm
Spoiler.

Some footage of that crash. Looks quite hard
https://twitter.com/salxber/status/1313114965620994051?s=19
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: rogerzilla on 05 October, 2020, 07:45:00 pm
Ah, the bottle mine.  Dirty.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Nuncio on 05 October, 2020, 08:16:59 pm
A bit of a bump in the road and the bidons go flying. There looked to be quite a few skittling around.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 05 October, 2020, 08:38:38 pm
Bloody lightweight bidon cages...
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Karla on 05 October, 2020, 09:01:13 pm
Remember a few years ago when it wasn't a proper cobbled classic until Geraint Thomas fell off?  Yeah, that.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 05 October, 2020, 09:51:54 pm
A bit of a bump in the road and the bidons go flying. There looked to be quite a few skittling around.

Just like the first 15km of Paris-Brest-Paris then.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: sg37409 on 05 October, 2020, 09:54:07 pm
Froome could end up being Ineos's best performer this year. 
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: andyoxon on 06 October, 2020, 09:44:06 am
I wonder if any stage wins are likely for Geraint.  Nibbles seems on good form.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: JonBuoy on 06 October, 2020, 10:57:59 am
I wonder if any stage wins are likely for Geraint.

Nope:  https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/geraint-thomas-out-of-giro-ditalia/
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: rogerzilla on 06 October, 2020, 11:04:10 am
For comedy value, the "Ride like Geraint Thomas with" product ads below the article should have included a Sunweb water bottle.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: andyoxon on 06 October, 2020, 11:11:23 am
I wonder if any stage wins are likely for Geraint.

Nope:  https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/geraint-thomas-out-of-giro-ditalia/

Boo...   :(
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Snakehips on 06 October, 2020, 01:51:22 pm
Dim Geraint Thomas   .....   as the guy on the telly keeps saying.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 06 October, 2020, 04:37:02 pm
If that had been a horse race, it would have been declared a dead heat. 
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: rogerzilla on 06 October, 2020, 08:16:46 pm
Gosh, Philippa York!  And it's just dawned on me why she changed her surname - it would have been a half-rhyme.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: rogerzilla on 06 October, 2020, 08:45:43 pm
Is it just me, or is Sicily a dump?  I assume the Cosa Nostra have nice houses.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Hot Flatus on 06 October, 2020, 08:50:21 pm
Is it just me, or is Sicily a dump?  I assume the Cosa Nostra have nice houses.

It's a beautiful place with baroque villages on every hilltop and incredible remnants of Greek and Roman civilisations.

But it also has areas marred by Mafia corruption, for example abandoned half-built houses, hotels, offices etc where the money has just disappeared.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Socks on 06 October, 2020, 08:50:43 pm
In terms of public investment and quality of infrastructure, looks like a big North / South divide.  Same as England, just the other way round.  (And with the Mafia involved in London's financial services and conjoined political system).
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: rogerzilla on 06 October, 2020, 09:03:33 pm
The Italian mainland certainly has a big N/S divide.  The rural south hasn't changed much in a century.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Hot Flatus on 06 October, 2020, 09:15:55 pm
It's a much, much bigger divide than the UK.

I dont think people in the South of England regards Yorkshire, Tyneside, Lancashire and Cumbria as a different country.

Of course 150-170 years ago, the north and south of Italy were different countries.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: rafletcher on 07 October, 2020, 08:26:34 am
Is it just me, or is Sicily a dump?  I assume the Cosa Nostra have nice houses.

Bits of it are, certainly. But it looks worse than it is, because concrete is widely used in construction throughout Italy, and not much trouble is taken to make it look attractive (to our eyes).
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 07 October, 2020, 01:46:04 pm
Thinking a week or so ahead - whilst watching them ride through broad-leaved forests today - is autumn going to be a major factor in road conditions.  My local roads get wet, muddy and leaf-strewn towards the end of October and, although Italy is further south - there will be leaf-fall in the mountains already.  It could make conditions treacherous - and perhaps difficult to race (cf the first stage of the Tour de France this year).
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: DuncanM on 07 October, 2020, 01:59:26 pm
There's almost certainly going to be snow in the mountains. Let's hope Kruiswiyk makes it through it unscathed (I forget which Giro it was he crashed into a snow bank while in pink).
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 07 October, 2020, 04:01:52 pm
There's almost certainly going to be snow in the mountains. Let's hope Kruiswiyk makes it through it unscathed (I forget which Giro it was he crashed into a snow bank while in pink).

2016

Bernie Eisel was saying after today's stage that there was snow on the Stelvio and that teams might have to compete for the overall sooner rather than rely on making up time on the hard mountain stages at the end.

Livestreaming it on Eurosport Player  :smug: :smug:  in the background while I work.  Although the end of today's stage took precedence over work.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Mr Larrington on 07 October, 2020, 08:27:37 pm
If the English colemantator on Quest's highlights show doesn’t stop referring to today’s stage winner as “Ga    Na” I may have to get annoyed.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: rafletcher on 07 October, 2020, 09:12:56 pm
If the English colemantator on Quest's highlights show doesn’t stop referring to today’s stage winner as “Ga    Na” I may have to get annoyed.

He certainly has an interesting way of pronouncing the riders names.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Mr Larrington on 08 October, 2020, 01:07:09 am
If the English colemantator on Quest's highlights show doesn’t stop referring to today’s stage winner as “Ga    Na” I may have to get annoyed.

He certainly has an interesting way of pronouncing the riders names.

And what's wrong with “Eh-Gee-Two-Ar” and “Eff-Dee-Jay”?  Less of this poncey “Air-Jay-Ders-Air” Stuffs, laddie.  Leave that for Encyclopædia Rendellica.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 08 October, 2020, 08:15:50 pm
If the English colemantator on Quest's highlights show doesn’t stop referring to today’s stage winner as “Ga    Na” I may have to get annoyed.

He thinks he can speak the lingo with a proper accent innit? I just take the piss out of him.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Mr Larrington on 08 October, 2020, 08:35:24 pm
If the English colemantator on Quest's highlights show doesn’t stop referring to today’s stage winner as “Ga    Na” I may have to get annoyed.

He thinks he can speak the lingo with a proper accent innit? I just take the piss out of him.

His pronunciation of “Steven Kruijswijk” leaves something to be desired too, notably consistency.  “Starvin' Karsvaark” seems to be the current front-runner.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: spesh on 08 October, 2020, 08:56:56 pm
If the English colemantator on Quest's highlights show doesn’t stop referring to today’s stage winner as “Ga    Na” I may have to get annoyed.

He thinks he can speak the lingo with a proper accent innit? I just take the piss out of him.

His pronunciation of “Steven Kruijswijk” leaves something to be desired too, notably consistency.  “Starvin' Karsvaark” seems to be the current front-runner.

When ani fule kno it's pronounced "Throatwobbler Mangrove".
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: slope on 09 October, 2020, 12:12:23 pm
If the English colemantator on Quest's highlights show doesn’t stop referring to today’s stage winner as “Ga    Na” I may have to get annoyed.

The (rather annoying/bit twit-ish?) Italian speaking English commentator in question explained yesterday that whereas Filippo Zana's surname is pronounced as one might expect, Filippo Ganna, by way of his 2x 'n's is Gan-Na with the emphasis on the second n.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Salvatore on 09 October, 2020, 12:19:51 pm
If the English colemantator on Quest's highlights show doesn’t stop referring to today’s stage winner as “Ga    Na” I may have to get annoyed.

The (rather annoying/bit twit-ish?) Italian speaking English commentator in question explained yesterday that whereas Filippo Zana's surname is pronounced as one might expect, Filippo Ganna, by way of his 2x 'n's is Gan-Na with the emphasis on the second n.

Consonant length is phonemic in Italian.

 double N is pronounced as such (elongated).

If you don't think this is important:

Ho 20 anni = I am 20 years old
Ho 20 ani = I have 20 arseholes.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: RichForrest on 09 October, 2020, 03:20:33 pm
Rob Hatch does this for all the names and places he talks about on Eurosport commentary. French names with French accents, Spanish, Italian, German with their pronunciation also.
Was great with him and Sean Kelly when they talked about Pogacar, was like who could say the name the most in their own way.
Every time Sean said it as Pog a Car, Rob had to say it as if to correct him.
The Quest programme is a repeat of the Eurosport coverage from earlier in the day.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: JonBuoy on 10 October, 2020, 09:49:38 am
This might explain Simon Yates's performance so far:  Giro d'Italia: Simon Yates out of race with Covid-19 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/54490539)

Must be a bit worrying for the rest of the team and the race as a whole.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: T42 on 10 October, 2020, 10:08:21 am
This might explain Simon Yates's performance so far:  Giro d'Italia: Simon Yates out of race with Covid-19 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/54490539)

Must be a bit worrying for the rest of the team and the race as a whole.

Yeah.  Mind you, the way the report on the radio began this morning seemed to presage something reprehensible: "Simon Yates is out of the Giro d'Italia after testing positive..." 

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Post by: Karla on 10 October, 2020, 10:20:57 am
^^ I experienced a moment of genuine relief when the presenter finished with " ... for C19".
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Salvatore on 10 October, 2020, 10:54:55 am
This might explain Simon Yates's performance so far:  Giro d'Italia: Simon Yates out of race with Covid-19 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/54490539)

Must be a bit worrying for the rest of the team and the race as a whole.
Rest of the team: Bookwater already out, Yates out, Affini out after a crash yesterday, Howson injured yesterday and "will start today" (and see how it goes). That leaves 4 fit and healthy with 2 weeks to go.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: rogerzilla on 10 October, 2020, 11:42:29 am
Still got some way to go to match the 1914 race.  8 finishers!
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 10 October, 2020, 02:11:58 pm
Trivia of the day.  Today's breakaway contains two former world hour record holders.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: psyclist on 10 October, 2020, 03:22:59 pm
Superb win by Alex Dowsett. That worked out well for him.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Karla on 10 October, 2020, 10:50:34 pm
Trivia of the day.  Today's breakaway contains two former world hour record holders.

It's just a shame Rohan Dennis didn't join the party.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: T42 on 11 October, 2020, 08:37:51 am
This might explain Simon Yates's performance so far:  Giro d'Italia: Simon Yates out of race with Covid-19 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/54490539)

Must be a bit worrying for the rest of the team and the race as a whole.
Rest of the team: Bookwater already out, Yates out, Affini out after a crash yesterday, Howson injured yesterday and "will start today" (and see how it goes). That leaves 4 fit and healthy with 2 weeks to go.

Everyone in the bubble gets a PCR test tomorrow...
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: fimm on 12 October, 2020, 01:39:36 pm
^^ I experienced a moment of genuine relief when the presenter finished with " ... for C19".
;D Mr fimm's friend, who told Mr fimm about it, too.
I don't get how Yates got it and no one else in his team has?
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: yoav on 12 October, 2020, 03:46:54 pm
Maybe they have, though we won’t know until the results of today’s tests. Yates was tested because he had a temperature. Apparently everyone has their temp measured 3 times a day on the Giro.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: SoreTween on 13 October, 2020, 09:15:18 am
Everyone in the bubble gets a PCR test tomorrow...
And the results are... oh bum.
https://road.cc/content/news/cycling-live-blog-october-13-2020-277915
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: rafletcher on 13 October, 2020, 09:48:26 am
Mitchelton-Scott out. Kruiswijk too.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/54520547
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Nuncio on 13 October, 2020, 11:11:43 am
All of Jumbo-Vista out.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on 13 October, 2020, 11:14:24 am

EEk, that could be career ending for some of them. The loss of lung function alone could be enough for them to not be able to keep up in the pro peleton.

Get well soon all!

J
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Nuncio on 13 October, 2020, 12:57:38 pm
Just to clarify re- Jumbo Vista - Only the one positive test result reported but the whole team have pulled out. And it was a late decision.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: giropaul on 13 October, 2020, 04:06:51 pm

EEk, that could be career ending for some of them. The loss of lung function alone could be enough for them to not be able to keep up in the pro peleton.

Get well soon all!

J

You’re absolutely right. A journo friend is currently working up a piece on “ long Covid” with reference to elite athletes.
A friend in Belgium, fit cyclist, mid 40s, medical science professional, has had Covid 3 months ago. He has officially “ recovered”, but can’t even stand up for more than a few minutes.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: rogerzilla on 13 October, 2020, 08:52:18 pm
Always be yourself.  Unless you can be Peter Sagan, in which case, always be Peter Sagan.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: perpetual dan on 13 October, 2020, 08:56:18 pm
Thanks to whoever noted that it’s on Quest above. I’ve just caught up and can now read this thread again :)
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Mr Larrington on 13 October, 2020, 09:56:04 pm
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Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: sg37409 on 13 October, 2020, 10:33:38 pm
Maybe Ineos will get their grand tour win after all.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Hot Flatus on 17 October, 2020, 03:58:43 pm
Not even in GC.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 17 October, 2020, 05:24:59 pm
FFS the highlights prog on Quest isn't on until 2300H tonight and 2200H tomorrow.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Snakehips on 17 October, 2020, 06:09:13 pm
Luckily I just worked out what  'yn erbyn y cloc' meant in time for today's stage.
For the first week and a half I thought they kept on saying eleven o'clock for some reason.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Nuncio on 17 October, 2020, 06:45:09 pm
A digression. When S4C's Sgorio started covering European - primary Italian - football from the mid 80s it garnered a sizeable (by S4C standards) non-Welsh-speaking audience.

On the following Monday morning at work we would repeat with glee our new-found lexicon of footy terms, such as
- Cic Smotyn (Penalty)
- Dros y drawst (over the bar)
- Camsefyll (offside)
- Mae'r card Equity un y post
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Salvatore on 17 October, 2020, 07:13:44 pm
A digression. When S4C's Sgorio started covering European - primary Italian - football from the mid 80s it garnered a sizeable (by S4C standards) non-Welsh-speaking audience.

On the following Monday morning at work we would repeat with glee our new-found lexicon of footy terms, such as
- Cic Smotyn (Penalty)
- Dros y drawst (over the bar)
- Camsefyll (offside)
- Mae'r card Equity un y post

It was Tuesday morning - Sgorio was broadcast on Monday evening. Also:
- Cic cornel (corner)
- Taro y postin (?sp)
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Mr Larrington on 17 October, 2020, 08:07:07 pm
FFS the highlights prog on Quest isn't on until 2300H tonight and 2200H tomorrow.

A pox on snooker, say I!

(Does the Len Ganley Stance)
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: rogerzilla on 18 October, 2020, 02:55:26 pm
When Brian Smith says Possovivvo it sounds like "force of evil".
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: sg37409 on 18 October, 2020, 09:00:39 pm
Maybe Ineos will get their grand tour win after all.

 :o
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: sizbut on 18 October, 2020, 09:16:19 pm
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Maybe Ineos will get their grand tour win after all.

Press the 'get real' button first. He gained 47s (impressive) to still be 2 mins 57 behind (ahh). So yes, if he can win 4 more stages by the same margin. And if you pretend not to notice the other rider who gained 41 seconds on GC today and is now only 15 seconds off the lead.

Podium contender - yes. Top step contender - Need the GC 1 and 2 to have really bad days whilst he repeats todays.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on 18 October, 2020, 09:36:06 pm
A digression. When S4C's Sgorio started covering European - primary Italian - football from the mid 80s it garnered a sizeable (by S4C standards) non-Welsh-speaking audience.

On the following Monday morning at work we would repeat with glee our new-found lexicon of footy terms, such as
- Cic Smotyn (Penalty)
- Dros y drawst (over the bar)
- Camsefyll (offside)
- Mae'r card Equity un y post

It was Tuesday morning - Sgorio was broadcast on Monday evening. Also:
- Cic cornel (corner)
- Taro y postin (?sp)

BBC Alba followed the same path; unfortunately all I picked up from the commentary was that Penalty is Penis (The e is pronounced like in Dundee Oary...) and "agus"
I learnt slightly more from Duolingo though.

Tìoraidh
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: rogerzilla on 19 October, 2020, 09:43:12 am
Rest day is test day again, so there might be fewer teams tomorrow.  This year's race must be a nightmare for the bookies.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: TimC on 19 October, 2020, 12:58:25 pm
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Maybe Ineos will get their grand tour win after all.

Press the 'get real' button first. He gained 47s (impressive) to still be 2 mins 57 behind (ahh). So yes, if he can win 4 more stages by the same margin. And if you pretend not to notice the other rider who gained 41 seconds on GC today and is now only 15 seconds off the lead.

Podium contender - yes. Top step contender - Need the GC 1 and 2 to have really bad days whilst he repeats todays.

Anyone else notice that if Tao hadn't showboated the last 50m celebrating his upcoming victory, he might have gained the 2 seconds he needed to be in a podium place in GC? It may seem a bit curmudgeonly, but I was shouting at the screen telling him to keep racing! As Alaphilippe learned very recently, celebrating before the line isn't a clever thing to do.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: rafletcher on 19 October, 2020, 06:40:03 pm
FFS the highlights prog on Quest isn't on until 2300H tonight and 2200H tomorrow.

A pox on snooker, say I!

(Does the Len Ganley Stance)

And again, Sunday’s highlights were buggered up by it too  >:( :( >:(
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Hot Flatus on 19 October, 2020, 07:14:32 pm
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Maybe Ineos will get their grand tour win after all.

Press the 'get real' button first. He gained 47s (impressive) to still be 2 mins 57 behind (ahh). So yes, if he can win 4 more stages by the same margin. And if you pretend not to notice the other rider who gained 41 seconds on GC today and is now only 15 seconds off the lead.

Podium contender - yes. Top step contender - Need the GC 1 and 2 to have really bad days whilst he repeats todays.

Anyone else notice that if Tao hadn't showboated the last 50m celebrating his upcoming victory, he might have gained the 2 seconds he needed to be in a podium place in GC? It may seem a bit curmudgeonly, but I was shouting at the screen telling him to keep racing! As Alaphilippe learned very recently, celebrating before the line isn't a clever thing to do.

Except that he couldn't have known he was a second away from being 3rd on GC with a week still to go (not the same as a podium position)

What he did know, on the other hand, was that he was about to  have the biggest win of his career.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: De Sisti on 19 October, 2020, 08:45:16 pm
What he did know, on the other hand, was that he was about to  have the biggest win of his career.
When I was flicking through the channels Rohan Dennis was leading. Did he crash out?
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Pingu on 19 October, 2020, 08:49:52 pm
FFS the highlights prog on Quest isn't on until 2300H tonight and 2200H tomorrow.

A pox on snooker, say I!

(Does the Len Ganley Stance)

And again, Sunday’s highlights were buggered up by it too  >:( :( >:(

We've just watched Stage 15 highlights at https://www.dplay.co.uk/show/giro-ditalia-highlights . I could only get it to play on Firefox thobut.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Hot Flatus on 19 October, 2020, 08:59:00 pm
What he did know, on the other hand, was that he was about to  have the biggest win of his career.
When I was flicking through the channels Rohan Dennis was leading. Did he crash out?

Got caught by peloton driven by sun web. TGH attacked on the last ascent and gapped everyone
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: TimC on 19 October, 2020, 09:56:37 pm
Quote
Maybe Ineos will get their grand tour win after all.

Press the 'get real' button first. He gained 47s (impressive) to still be 2 mins 57 behind (ahh). So yes, if he can win 4 more stages by the same margin. And if you pretend not to notice the other rider who gained 41 seconds on GC today and is now only 15 seconds off the lead.

Podium contender - yes. Top step contender - Need the GC 1 and 2 to have really bad days whilst he repeats todays.

Anyone else notice that if Tao hadn't showboated the last 50m celebrating his upcoming victory, he might have gained the 2 seconds he needed to be in a podium place in GC? It may seem a bit curmudgeonly, but I was shouting at the screen telling him to keep racing! As Alaphilippe learned very recently, celebrating before the line isn't a clever thing to do.

Except that he couldn't have known he was a second away from being 3rd on GC with a week still to go (not the same as a podium position)

What he did know, on the other hand, was that he was about to  have the biggest win of his career.

I know - I get it. I may very well have done the same in his position. Doesn't stop me wishing he hadn't done it!
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Hot Flatus on 20 October, 2020, 06:24:46 am
Have to see what Wednesday,  Thursday and Saturday deliver.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: rafletcher on 20 October, 2020, 07:52:14 am
FFS the highlights prog on Quest isn't on until 2300H tonight and 2200H tomorrow.

A pox on snooker, say I!

(Does the Len Ganley Stance)

And again, Sunday’s highlights were buggered up by it too  >:( :( >:(

We've just watched Stage 15 highlights at https://www.dplay.co.uk/show/giro-ditalia-highlights . I could only get it to play on Firefox thobut.

Which, if Airplay was still working on our TV, we would have do too.  I'll probably have to resort to the laptop and an HDMI lead.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Snakehips on 20 October, 2020, 11:41:50 am
I may very well have done the same in his position. Doesn't stop me wishing he hadn't done it!

Agreed!
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: rogerzilla on 20 October, 2020, 08:59:37 pm
Good finish today, although I hate circuits.

Sean Kelly on the sofa...Tim Moore rips the piss out of his legendary (lack of) personality throughout his 1914 Giro recreation "Gironimo!"  "Uh, he was, uh, majorly suffering there".

Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: TimC on 20 October, 2020, 11:43:13 pm
Good finish today, although I hate circuits.

Sean Kelly on the sofa...Tim Moore rips the piss out of his legendary (lack of) personality throughout his 1914 Giro recreation "Gironimo!"  "Uh, he was, uh, majorly suffering there".



Oohh, missed that. I thought Sean was doing the Vuelta gig today? Anyway, Tim Moore is effectively God when it comes to commenting on Grand Tours from an amateur perspective. And I don't think he's been found taking any drugs but alcohol...
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: rogerzilla on 21 October, 2020, 07:27:05 pm
What kind of Hackney hipsters call their son Tao?
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on 21 October, 2020, 07:28:28 pm
What kind of Hackney hipsters call their son Tao?

It's just the way... it is...

J
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: JonBuoy on 21 October, 2020, 07:34:55 pm
What kind of Hackney hipsters call their son Tao?

Irish ones.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Mr Larrington on 21 October, 2020, 07:36:49 pm
What kind of Hackney hipsters call their son Tao?

It's Gaelic for “Tom”, allegedly.  Presumably there is some kind of quota system for Toms in the pro pelican, so de Gendt has to be a Thomas and Skujins has pluralised himself :P
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: rogerzilla on 21 October, 2020, 08:59:58 pm
I assumed they were hippies or they really liked the cat in The Incredible Journey.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 21 October, 2020, 11:10:42 pm
I've not seen it in print and just assumed it went with his phlegm sounding surname and was Theo.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Mr Larrington on 22 October, 2020, 01:52:08 am
Latest of a long line of Belgian hard men: Theo Gegenhaard :D
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Nuncio on 22 October, 2020, 07:05:36 am
Hes's causing prpoblems for his opponents

https://twitter.com/ZabuBradoKTM/status/1318204255816339458 (https://twitter.com/ZabuBradoKTM/status/1318204255816339458)
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: sizbut on 22 October, 2020, 02:17:54 pm
Quote
Maybe Ineos will get their grand tour win after all.

Press the 'get real' button first. He gained 47s (impressive) to still be 2 mins 57 behind (ahh). So yes, if he can win 4 more stages by the same margin. And if you pretend not to notice the other rider who gained 41 seconds on GC today and is now only 15 seconds off the lead.

Podium contender - yes. Top step contender - Need the GC 1 and 2 to have really bad days whilst he repeats todays.

 :facepalm: Wow. Watching live - okay, I might be wrong. Maybe it could all change in a day! I take back what I said.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Legs on 22 October, 2020, 02:26:04 pm
Exciting stuff!
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Snakehips on 22 October, 2020, 02:33:13 pm
Sunweb's comedy jackets are giving some great entertainment. Why don't they give them a gilet and arm warmers or a jacket they can just pull over their heads I wonder?
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: trekker12 on 22 October, 2020, 02:51:00 pm
The jacket Ineos use is evidently a better design. Perhaps a review was had after Froome had his off putting his jacket on riding his tt bike
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Legs on 22 October, 2020, 03:04:16 pm
Wow!
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: fd3 on 22 October, 2020, 07:01:05 pm
Thank god skyinfo’s have froome to fall back on.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: De Sisti on 22 October, 2020, 07:20:54 pm
Thank god skyinfo’s have froome to fall back on.
In the interview he gave on Channel 4's first Vuelta highlights he said I'll paraphrase:"The numbers were good and I'm getting the same sensations". I got the impression he was saying he felt as
good as the old days. He would have been better off playing down his GC chances.


Perhaps he should conveniently abandon at the first opportunity and get fitted up for his new
bike and kit by his new employers? :demon: :-D
 
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Pingu on 22 October, 2020, 09:41:54 pm
We were willing Hindley on in his battle with his jacket!
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 22 October, 2020, 09:47:39 pm
Great to see clean riders blow away the record for climbing the Stelvio.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: cygnet on 22 October, 2020, 10:18:02 pm
Great to see clean riders blow away the record for climbing the Stelvio.
Which record though?
http://www.climbing-records.com/search?q=stelvio&m=  (http://www.climbing-records.com/search?q=stelvio&m=)
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: sg37409 on 22 October, 2020, 10:32:11 pm
Quote
Maybe Ineos will get their grand tour win after all.

Press the 'get real' button first. He gained 47s (impressive) to still be 2 mins 57 behind (ahh). So yes, if he can win 4 more stages by the same margin. And if you pretend not to notice the other rider who gained 41 seconds on GC today and is now only 15 seconds off the lead.

Podium contender - yes. Top step contender - Need the GC 1 and 2 to have really bad days whilst he repeats todays.

 :facepalm: Wow. Watching live - okay, I might be wrong. Maybe it could all change in a day! I take back what I said.

I have to confess that my original comment was tongue in cheek, after some teams incl JV withdrew. I didnt expect them to do anything.  But what a great ride by TGH and Ineos.  Cracking stage today
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Salvatore on 23 October, 2020, 06:41:57 am
S4C commentators were.making comparisons with Mario Balotelli (https://youtu.be/lYU-SeVofHs)
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Peter on 23 October, 2020, 11:12:35 am
Great to see clean riders blow away the record for climbing the Stelvio.

I've got a vague memory that TGH was suspended for something a few years ago but I can't find anything on the net.  Maybe I've got a vague memory!  I'd be very happy to be wrong and not to cast aspersions on a terrific performer.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: andyoxon on 23 October, 2020, 12:03:42 pm
Would TGH have been irritated by Hindley getting a 'tow' up to the finish?
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Hot Flatus on 23 October, 2020, 12:10:41 pm
Great to see clean riders blow away the record for climbing the Stelvio.

I've got a vague memory that TGH was suspended for something a few years ago but I can't find anything on the net.  Maybe I've got a vague memory!  I'd be very happy to be wrong and not to cast aspersions on a terrific performer.

Think you might be confusing TGH with  JTL
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: rogerzilla on 23 October, 2020, 12:15:43 pm
Would TGH have been irritated by Hindley getting a 'tow' up to the finish?
He appeared to mouth something as he crossed the line.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Peter on 23 October, 2020, 12:30:24 pm
Great to see clean riders blow away the record for climbing the Stelvio.

I've got a vague memory that TGH was suspended for something a few years ago but I can't find anything on the net.  Maybe I've got a vague memory!  I'd be very happy to be wrong and not to cast aspersions on a terrific performer.

Think you might be confusing TGH with  JTL

You're right - thanks very much!

Peter
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Hot Flatus on 23 October, 2020, 12:35:50 pm
Would TGH have been irritated by Hindley getting a 'tow' up to the finish?

No, he wouldnt. It's sport, and had Hindley taken a turn on the front he would have been working against his own team leader.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 23 October, 2020, 12:58:27 pm
It isn’t just sport, it is professional sport. Towing him to the finish is just part of the job.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: akin on 23 October, 2020, 06:51:32 pm
Tao also got his stage 15 win from sitting on Jai Hindley’s wheel up the whole of the final climb. Made it all square.

I kind of felt like Tao didn’t concentrate on the final climb and could have put more time into Kelderman. He seemed overly preoccupied with Hindley sitting on. Of course that’s easy to say sitting watching and its likely due to the effort put in up the Stelvio.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Mr Larrington on 23 October, 2020, 07:39:46 pm
Mauro Vegni is Not Happy with the idle dogs in the pelican who forced today’s stage to be halved in length.  Threatening to get lawyered-up.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: rogerzilla on 23 October, 2020, 07:59:21 pm
Bunch of wussies.

Good finish though.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 23 October, 2020, 08:08:00 pm
We don't want to ride cos it's raining, meh.
Was that brought about by all the people who couldn't get their jacket on yesterday?
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: spesh on 23 October, 2020, 08:23:52 pm
We don't want to ride cos it's raining, meh.

It's not so much simply because it's raining, the argument from the riders is that it's more that with immune systems already battered from nearly 3 weeks of racing, riding 250km in the wet after yesterday's queen stage would be making them even more vulnerable to catching the dread lurgi.

TBH, that's not unreasonable, but they should have sorted it out last night, not drop it in the race organiser's lap after signing-on for the stage. Or, as I've seen argued on Bike Radar, raised the issue months ago after the race was rescheduled for mid-autumn. It's as if the riders had been banking on the Stevio being impassable - a truncated stage yesterday would have left them a little fresher for today.

Though I note that Ineos and Bora apparently wanted to ride the full distance - Kelderman looked spent yesterday
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: giropaul on 23 October, 2020, 08:39:19 pm
We don't want to ride cos it's raining, meh.

It's not so much simply because it's raining, the argument from the riders is that it's more that with immune systems already battered from nearly 3 weeks of racing, riding 250km in the wet after yesterday's queen stage would be making them even more vulnerable to catching the dread lurgi.

TBH, that's not unreasonable, but they should have sorted it out last night, not drop it in the race organiser's lap after signing-on for the stage. Or, as I've seen argued on Bike Radar, raised the issue months ago after the race was rescheduled for mid-autumn. It's as if the riders had been banking on the Stevio being impassable - a truncated stage yesterday would have left them a little fresher for today.

Though I note that Ineos and Bora apparently wanted to ride the full distance - Kelderman looked spent yesterday

Extra kms had been recently added due to a bridge failing. However, it’s been confirmed by other riders that 2 official representatives of the Rider’s Union/ association did meet with race officials last night, not representing their teams but the rider’s association.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 23 October, 2020, 09:25:02 pm
The people who deserve an apology today are all the marshals and others who would have gone out and put up all the signage to warn of bollards , etc, and prepared to stand to warn the riders of obstacles, working away in the pouring rain, all of those on the abandoned section would have done this in vain.  As I understand it they are mostly unpaid volunteers.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 23 October, 2020, 09:54:36 pm
Well yeah, it's not like today's stage was a surprise, they didn't need to leave it this late.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: rogerzilla on 24 October, 2020, 07:34:00 am
Also...it's not a Sunday club run, where you might have a reasonable policy of not setting out if it's raining.  This is their job.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: DuncanM on 24 October, 2020, 12:14:43 pm
It's easy to say that they should just ride whatever the course is, but putting a 3 hour transfer immediately before a 260km stage and the day after a huge climbing day is excessive.
Adam Hansen tweeted that rider representatives met with the organiser the night before, who refused to change the stage at all. These guys take huge risks on their bikes the whole time and treat it like it's nothing, so when they collectively agree not to race because they feel it's too much of a health risk, I tend to think they should be listened to.
That's not to deny the upset of the volunteers, the townspeople, and whoever was missed out of the race, just that fundamentally they aren't the ones putting their necks on the line.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: rogerzilla on 24 October, 2020, 01:21:41 pm
But there was no surprise - they'd known about each stage for weeks.  It was because of the rain.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: andyoxon on 24 October, 2020, 01:24:46 pm
'parently... 
Quote
Competing in heavy rain can cause riders, whose immune systems may already be compromised by excessive exertion, to become unwell as dirt and bacteria from the road is sprayed through the peloton.    Many riders were concerned it would increase the risk of contracting coronavirus.
BBC
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: fd3 on 24 October, 2020, 02:21:21 pm
I don't see why they couldn't have just put on the rain jackets, agreed to let the breakaway go and set a steady non-race pace to the finish.  Flat stage so no reason to go crazy, just ride it out.

Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Nuncio on 24 October, 2020, 02:42:07 pm
On very recent form, JH came in 49 secs secs ahead of TGH in the opening TT and TGH came in 1:15 ahead of JH in the long one. I have no idea of the relative conditions or how motivated they were to do good times.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: andyoxon on 24 October, 2020, 02:51:29 pm
TT form could be critical.  JH/TGH still sticking like glue.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: DuncanM on 24 October, 2020, 03:16:19 pm
But there was no surprise - they'd known about each stage for weeks.  It was because of the rain.
You don't know about the transfers until much closer to the race, because you don't know which hotels you are being assigned. But clearly the rain was a factor, and so is the way that the riders felt that the Covid precautions weren't implemented properly.
A steady non-race pace for 260km is a looong day.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Hot Flatus on 24 October, 2020, 05:11:27 pm
Oh my god.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: spesh on 24 October, 2020, 05:28:12 pm
Oh my god.

Well, that could cover a multitude of scenarios.

<checks sports news>

Whale oil beef hooked...  :o
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Hot Flatus on 24 October, 2020, 05:29:43 pm
What is going on this year???

Young riders with next to no background dominating.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: andyoxon on 24 October, 2020, 06:21:42 pm
Quote
No Grand Tour has been this close going into the final day...

www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/oct/24/cycling-giro-ditalia-stage-20-report (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/oct/24/cycling-giro-ditalia-stage-20-report-jai-hindley-tao-geoghegan-hart-pink-jersey)

Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 24 October, 2020, 09:09:33 pm
Cor, that was exciting!
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: rogerzilla on 24 October, 2020, 09:32:40 pm
A downhill, very short TT.  I think average speeds tomorrow will be almost 40mph.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Pingu on 24 October, 2020, 09:41:39 pm
It doesn't get closer than that. Just a kumquat between them.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Mr Larrington on 24 October, 2020, 11:02:37 pm
P@nd3m1c Pr0duckt10nzTM® is going to have to take back some of the rude things it's said about Rohan Dennis…
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: DuncanM on 25 October, 2020, 09:17:42 am
Wonder if TGH is now kicking himself for the over-long celebration on the other stage he won. could easily have got another few seconds there and been in pink today. It didn't seem important at the time because he was 3 minutes down, but now...
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: TimC on 25 October, 2020, 09:23:32 am
Wonder if TGH is now kicking himself for the over-long celebration on the other stage he won. could easily have got another few seconds there and been in pink today. It didn't seem important at the time because he was 3 minutes down, but now...

In Post #87 of this thread, I made that very point at the time. I'm sure that particular "what if?" has crossed the minds of Team Ineos's management on a number of occasions since.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Karla on 25 October, 2020, 10:59:43 am
Providing he wins today, I doubt he'll care.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: nobby on 25 October, 2020, 01:26:48 pm
...and the chap from Hackney won!
 :)
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: andyoxon on 25 October, 2020, 03:33:58 pm
 :o wow
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: TimC on 25 October, 2020, 03:44:53 pm
:o wow

Indeed! What a magnificent race all through.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: TheLurker on 25 October, 2020, 03:45:16 pm
Crumbs.  How exciting. 

With the fading of the old guard and the loss of Portal as DS I expected Ineos to draw a GT blank this year and pick things up again next year or the year after.  Shows how little I know.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on 25 October, 2020, 03:53:59 pm

Gotta really feel for the guy who came in second. So so close.

J
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: hatler on 25 October, 2020, 03:54:49 pm
I don't think in IG's wildest dreams they would have expected this result once GT fell over.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: JonBuoy on 25 October, 2020, 03:57:59 pm
Looks like they have had a good day in the Vuelta too.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: fd3 on 25 October, 2020, 06:03:27 pm
May I be the first to throw muck and accuse them of cheating

...

No, see how different things are outside of the Tour and how much more lejit it all looks.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: sg37409 on 25 October, 2020, 06:27:24 pm
It’s the best GT win for sky/ineos that I can remember.   
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Socks on 25 October, 2020, 07:10:41 pm
And not just the win, those stage wins and the attacking style of the team despite losing G so early on.  Caveats would be unusual circumstances this year, and the withdrawal of two strong teams.  All the same, a fantastic and stylish effort.

And can you imagine bunking off school a few years ago to cycle behind the Sky pro team in London because your ambition was to become a pro rider.  Then winning a grand tour a few years later.

Fab - u - lous
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: rogerzilla on 25 October, 2020, 07:46:09 pm
Did he ever do the Dunwich Dynamo?  Be rude not to, if you're a bikie from Hackney.  At least he was never in D*lw*ch P*r*g*n!
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: sizbut on 25 October, 2020, 07:58:48 pm
Whoever made the decision to get Rohan Dennis back into the team is probably telling everyone "I told you he still had it". He comes out of the Giro as the Ineos rider who didn't win anything but who clearly made a significant, if not the most significant, contribution. So amidst all the talk of the new guys taking over, calmer minds might be reminding people its about the whole mix of the team.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Greenbank on 25 October, 2020, 09:51:10 pm
Did he ever do the Dunwich Dynamo?  Be rude not to, if you're a bikie from Hackney.  At least he was never in D*lw*ch P*r*g*n!

Definitely based on this post over at LFGSS: https://www.lfgss.com/comments/6458548/incontext/

Quote from: taogeogheganhart
i think this is really good advice
i have done the last two duniwch dynamos
and would say that the weather point is really important
check it carefulyy because in 07 it rained all night
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Hot Flatus on 25 October, 2020, 09:56:55 pm

That would mean he rode it aged 10
Did he ever do the Dunwich Dynamo?  Be rude not to, if you're a bikie from Hackney.  At least he was never in D*lw*ch P*r*g*n!

Definitely based on this post over at LFGSS: https://www.lfgss.com/comments/6458548/incontext/

Quote from: taogeogheganhart
i think this is really good advice
i have done the last two duniwch dynamos
and would say that the weather point is really important
check it carefulyy because in 07 it rained all night
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: hatler on 25 October, 2020, 10:04:42 pm

Did he ever do the Dunwich Dynamo?  Be rude not to, if you're a bikie from Hackney.  At least he was never in D*lw*ch P*r*g*n!

Definitely based on this post over at LFGSS: https://www.lfgss.com/comments/6458548/incontext/

Quote from: taogeogheganhart
i think this is really good advice
i have done the last two duniwch dynamos
and would say that the weather point is really important
check it carefulyy because in 07 it rained all night
That would mean he rode it aged 10

13 I think. That post is from12 years ago and he's 25 now.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Greenbank on 25 October, 2020, 10:11:56 pm
Fame! He posted my name!

https://www.lfgss.com/comments/6645690/

My work here is complete.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Hot Flatus on 25 October, 2020, 10:25:52 pm

Did he ever do the Dunwich Dynamo?  Be rude not to, if you're a bikie from Hackney.  At least he was never in D*lw*ch P*r*g*n!

Definitely based on this post over at LFGSS: https://www.lfgss.com/comments/6458548/incontext/

Quote from: taogeogheganhart
i think this is really good advice
i have done the last two duniwch dynamos
and would say that the weather point is really important
check it carefulyy because in 07 it rained all night
That would mean he rode it aged 10

13 I think. That post is from12 years ago and he's 25 now.

Yes, but he said he had ridden it for the previous 3 years.

So 10.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: hatler on 25 October, 2020, 10:36:46 pm

Did he ever do the Dunwich Dynamo?  Be rude not to, if you're a bikie from Hackney.  At least he was never in D*lw*ch P*r*g*n!

Definitely based on this post over at LFGSS: https://www.lfgss.com/comments/6458548/incontext/

Quote from: taogeogheganhart
i think this is really good advice
i have done the last two duniwch dynamos
and would say that the weather point is really important
check it carefulyy because in 07 it rained all night
That would mean he rode it aged 10

13 I think. That post is from12 years ago and he's 25 now.

Yes, but he said he had ridden it for the previous 3 years.

So 10.
Aha !!  Good point.  :-)
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Mr Larrington on 25 October, 2020, 11:24:37 pm
Jolly well done, that man.  Spending time as M Smith's hostage guest in the Vsquared broom cupboard clearly* leads to great achievements in Italian stage races.

* sample size: 2
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: perpetual dan on 25 October, 2020, 11:34:05 pm
Well, that was an exciting race :)
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: T42 on 26 October, 2020, 09:34:33 am
Geoghegan, eh?  Quality will out.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Peter on 26 October, 2020, 01:02:50 pm
Put your quality Will away and celebrate in a more seemly fashion!
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Peter on 26 October, 2020, 01:10:26 pm
I do think this is a terrific result - and a terrifically romantic story.  I hope the pundits and press don't heap the pressure on TGH: I think this Giro has had one of the weakest line-ups I can remember.  There are obvious calendar reasons for this and I have to emphasise that I think TGH did a tremendous job, especially up the Stelvio (that day had Merckx written all over it, for me) and in the appalling weather.  I wonder what Ineos will do about pecking orders from here?

In the meantime - Brilliant from TGH.  He's the first to win without wearing the leader's jersey until the race was over, too!
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: slugbait on 26 October, 2020, 01:13:10 pm
According to the Grauniad: "He [Tao Geogeghan Hart] was also a swimmer, part of a relay team swimming the Channel at the age of 13." Compared to that the Dunwich Dynamo at 10 seems easy-peasy.

But yeah, cracking Giro with a deserving winner. It must be gutting for Wilco Kelderman to lose so much time in those final mountain stages. This was his best and possibly final chance to win a GC. I think that is true for all the "old" guys in the peloton: Roglic, Dumoulin, Froome, Thomas. I don't see them beating the new generation in the coming years.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Mr Larrington on 26 October, 2020, 01:23:36 pm
Roglič is 30 and Dumoulin 29, which makes them mere striplings compared with the likes of Froome, Thomas and Valverde :demon:
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: slugbait on 26 October, 2020, 01:59:34 pm
Roglic and Dumoulin are the biggest victims of the new generation, yes. Normally, they would've had a couple of their best seasons. But a late career victory for Thomas or Froome seems almost impossible at this point.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: DuncanM on 26 October, 2020, 05:58:45 pm
Where does the old generation end and the new one begin? Alongside the older GT winners like Nibali Thomas and Froome, you have the likes of Aru and Quintana who are both 30 but with their best years behind them. Of the recent grand tour winners, there's Roglic (30), Dumoulin (29), Yates (28), Carapaz (27), and then the "youngsters" like Tao (25), Bernal(23), Pogacar (22).
Also, if you look at the list of grand tour winners, they seem roughly split between people with brackets after their names (showing which of the multiple wins that was), and those with no brackets signifying that this is their only GT win. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Tour_(cycling)#Grand_Tour_winners
A few of the guys I named are going to end up as single GT winners, but the only one I would put the house on winning another is Pogacar.

Edit - the guys I feel slightly sorry for are the nearly guys approaching their 30s.  Bardet (29) has come second and third (and 3 other top 10s) at the TdF (and second at the worlds). Thibaut Pinot (30) finished 3rd at the TdF aged 24, and hasn't cracked the podium at another GT (4th at the Giro in 2017). Mikel Landa (30) has a third and two 4th places in the last few years since he got to lead a team. Superman Lopez (26, so not quite so old) had two third places in 2018 but seems to have gone backwards the last couple of years. All of them would have thought themselves ahead of Yates and Roglic a couple of years ago, now you have to wonder if their opportunity to win GTs has gone.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: slugbait on 26 October, 2020, 07:24:30 pm
It's difficult to pinpoint this to a specific age, but there are a lot of new riders coming out of nowhere (Kämna, Hirschi). And van der Poel, you have the feeling he would perform better at a proper team. And even younger riders like Evenepoel with big results. Have I mentioned Pogacar, yet? I'm honestly wondering why the post-1995 generation is doing so well at such an early age.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 26 October, 2020, 08:20:56 pm
To be fair, pro riders used to peak around 25-28 years old and rely on cunning to compensate for declining powers as they aged. They’d retire around 32-34 years old.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Nuncio on 26 October, 2020, 08:29:43 pm
Give it a year or two and the current 23/24-year olds will be being overtaken by Remco Evenepoel.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: rogerzilla on 28 October, 2020, 12:33:55 pm
To be fair, pro riders used to peak around 25-28 years old and rely on cunning to compensate for declining powers as they aged. They’d retire around 32-34 years old.
Keirin riders can go on until their 50s.  There's not much wilier than an old keirin racer.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: fd3 on 28 October, 2020, 03:20:45 pm
Other than a Coyote.
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: mzjo on 01 November, 2020, 05:39:08 pm
To be fair, pro riders used to peak around 25-28 years old and rely on cunning to compensate for declining powers as they aged. They’d retire around 32-34 years old.

I was told that the wilier anglophone pros would head for the USAnian road scene to earn a bit more money after their european days were over. Of course there were always riders like Poulidor who kept going forever (but he didn't need to win to assure his popularity at the end of his career; that must be a french thing so expect Bardet to have a few more years). How old were Patrick Sercu, Barry Hoban and Hugh Porter when they retired? (I should know but can't be bothered to look when someone else will know straight away)
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: Peter on 01 November, 2020, 07:13:36 pm
I haven't checked, either but I imagine Sercu was doing 6-dayers forever and Barry Hoban had a really long career (I think).
Title: Re: Giro d’Italia 2020
Post by: giropaul on 03 November, 2020, 10:39:26 pm
Some of them re-emerge as vets. They were too good to be in races with me when I was younger, now I’m back in the same races!
It happens particularly in Belgium, Wim de Wal is very successful as a vet. Paul Watson from the UK took the vets free federation worlds a couple of years back.
There aren’t many sports where you can end up racing with your heroes when you get old!