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Title: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: mattc on 20 November, 2013, 06:40:36 pm
So who's going to be watching listening all night?!?

[if the times work out I may inflict the last overs on m'colleagues in the morning]

I confess I was more excited about the last round. It really is too soon, isn't it?  :(

I'm still excited - but not as excited as Michael Vaughan, who nearly exploded on R5 a few days back.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 November, 2013, 07:11:00 pm
When does it start?
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: JenM on 20 November, 2013, 07:13:01 pm
FIRST ASHES TEST: AUSTRALIA V ENGLAND
Venue: The Gabba, Brisbane Date: 21-25 November Start time: 00:00 GMT
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 November, 2013, 08:30:04 pm
Thanks.

I think I need my sleep.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Basil on 20 November, 2013, 08:58:55 pm
I'll be listening.  As I sleep alone in Brum, there's no problem leaving my old clock radio on R4 long wave all night.  I drift in and out of it all night.  Can be a bit surprising sometimes when you're listening to England being 130 - 2 or something and then you turn over in bed and realise that it now seems to be Australia being 10 - 0.  WHA?   :o  How the f did that happen?

Or the other one.  You're listening to Australia being 85 -5 and then you come ound again and they're 255 - 5.  Bugger!
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Von Broad on 20 November, 2013, 10:51:36 pm
So who's going to be watching listening all night?!?
Sadly not, but I'll grab the first and final hour.
I see that Mitchell Johnson has been recalled. Interesting. Apart from being a tad surprised, I'm not sure what to think of that really.
And Prior still uncertain.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Basil on 20 November, 2013, 11:15:22 pm
Tremlett plays
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Wowbagger on 21 November, 2013, 05:00:39 am
Well, that's some interesting news at bowel o'clock.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Jaded on 21 November, 2013, 07:44:24 am
Broad. Australia's Public Enemy No 1.

Again  ;D

Will be good to see how we can bat on this wicket. Looks like a bit of patience will pay dividends.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Von Broad on 21 November, 2013, 08:43:10 am
Broad. Australia's Public Enemy No 1.

Jim Maxwell [who I always like listening to] described Broad's introduction to the crowd as one of the greatest boos in test cricket he'd ever heard  :D
I see the BBC sports page describes England as having the 'upper hand'. Not sure I've have written that headline just yet with Haddin still batting on 78. Evens more like.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: ferret on 21 November, 2013, 09:16:27 am
well everything appears to be going in the right direction at the moment, probably best not to get too excited just yet, better to wait until we've had a bat before making any predictions, Have we ever won at the GABBA ?
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: bobb on 21 November, 2013, 09:24:26 am
Have we ever won at the GABBA ?

Quote from: ECB
You have to go back to 1986 for England's last victory at the Gabba.

In that game Ian Botham cracked 138 as England rattled up 456 after being asked to bat first.

Graham Dilley then took 5-68 as Australia followed on and five wickets from John Emburey in the second innings left England chasing 75 to win, which they duly did.

I remember that series very well. During a maths lesson after the first day, me and a mate planned to stow away on a ship to get over to Australia. We never did though  :P
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: andyoxon on 21 November, 2013, 11:10:23 am
I was on LW for about 30mins from midnight, and ~90mins around breakfast.  So far so good.

Decent match stat graphics here...  http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/cricket/match-centre
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: mattc on 21 November, 2013, 06:05:49 pm
Further schedule info: 5SportsXtra is re-playing each entire day's play at 1100h.
(although Sat looks tricky, as there is Rugby league in the afternoon!)

Before that, from 0800 onwards, they'll play the normal 30min highlights/recap program every 30mins.

As far as I can tell, anyway ...
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: andyoxon on 21 November, 2013, 07:54:32 pm
Anyone without SKY (like me), and looking for video highlight morsels, the ECB site has am,pm,evening short videos of each day.   http://www.ecbtv.co.uk/
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: ran doner on 21 November, 2013, 08:18:35 pm
Highlights are also on Pick daily at 10pm which is on freeview I believe.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Von Broad on 21 November, 2013, 08:24:33 pm
Anyone without SKY (like me), and looking for video highlight morsels, the ECB site has am,pm,evening short videos of each day.   http://www.ecbtv.co.uk/

Last session - that delivery by Broad with the new ball to get of Johnson - just brilliant.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Basil on 21 November, 2013, 09:12:21 pm
Yesterday's scorecard in the Courier Mail (https://twitter.com/Aggerscricket/status/403629817041416192/photo/1).

 ;D

They are still refusing to print Broad's name.  It's a bit pathetic really.  ::-)
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: andyoxon on 21 November, 2013, 09:42:19 pm
Highlights are also on Pick daily at 10pm which is on freeview I believe.

 :)  Well spotted - missed that.  <sets series record>
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: mattc on 22 November, 2013, 06:31:30 am
<yawns>

Have I missed anything?
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: andyoxon on 22 November, 2013, 07:21:43 am
The Gabbattoir.   

Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Polar Bear on 22 November, 2013, 07:34:54 am
England, first test, first innings.  Entirely predictable.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: bobb on 22 November, 2013, 08:35:09 am
Oooops!
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: LEE on 22 November, 2013, 08:35:33 am
Good job Broad is playing or it could have been much worse.  He's taken half the wickets and got a quarter of the runs.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Von Broad on 22 November, 2013, 08:40:27 am
Oh boy!
Had three pints last night.
Can feel the effects a bit this morning.
Waking to that scorecard feels like I've had thirty.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: ferret on 22 November, 2013, 09:34:14 am
well here we go, same old same old,
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Jaded on 22 November, 2013, 10:06:03 am
500 in the second innings then  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: andyoxon on 22 November, 2013, 11:01:53 am
Or possibly a draw..?   http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2174003   
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: ferret on 22 November, 2013, 12:30:28 pm
:):) now that would be typical,
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Basil on 22 November, 2013, 01:40:01 pm
I'll be listening.  As I sleep alone in Brum, there's no problem leaving my old clock radio on R4 long wave all night.  I drift in and out of it all night.  Can be a bit surprising sometimes when you're listening to England being 130 - 2 or something and then you turn over in bed and realise that it now seems to be Australia being 10 - 0.  WHA?   :o  How the f did that happen?


See?   :facepalm:
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: bobb on 22 November, 2013, 03:26:12 pm
Basically, nothing has changed since the summer then. Both teams batting line ups have shown us they can still collapse at any time. Just to confirm this, England have done it in catastrophic style, as opposed to Australia's more subtle effort.

Last summer, both teams were overall - poor to average with a few decent periods of play. The only reason England won was that they had more periods of decent play fewer periods of poor play than Australia. The final score line flattered England. A couple of the games could've easily gone Australia's way.

I'm not overly concerned, but seeing as both teams are so shaky, it's almost impossible to predict the outcome of this series. It will come down to the same thing as last summer - who can be the least shit...
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: mattc on 22 November, 2013, 05:18:56 pm
England, first test, first innings.  Entirely predictable.
Predicatble? In a way, Yes!

Statto Vaughan: "last 5 england tours, they have scored under 200 in the 1st Test, 1st Innings."

So no need to worry yet  :P Having said that, an Aussie win will be a massive confidence boost. :(

More worrying stat was the tiny number of recent 400+ innings. It was just a couple in about 20 Tests.


Agree with McBobb - the scoreline in England flattered us, the Aussies weren't that much worse than England. So yes;
Quote
both teams are so shaky, it's almost impossible to predict the outcome of this series
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Jaded on 23 November, 2013, 12:56:23 am
And rain stops play.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 November, 2013, 08:03:21 am
Oh no it doesn't...

Since Piers Morgan bashing seems to be our national sport, I'll just mention that he tweeted that "England can still win from here."

Australia had just taken a lead of 500.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: andyoxon on 24 November, 2013, 01:52:15 pm
Oh well - early days, but England are going to have to find some steeliness from somewhere.  The batting line-up is looking fragile atm, in the face of the Aussie extra pace and other things.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Jaded on 24 November, 2013, 02:00:40 pm
They need Anderson firing on all cylinders too.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Von Broad on 24 November, 2013, 04:13:02 pm
They need Anderson firing on all cylinders too.

He bowled ok. Thing is, Anderson's biggest asset is his swing/reserve swing, it's a very important part of his weaponry. He's going to find that much more difficult out in Australia.

As a bowler, it's a bit soul destroying when your batsmen only give you a 52 OVER BREAK in a test match before bowling again!

I wouldn't be much good in the dressing room at the moment, either as a player or non-player, because I ain't confident at all.

England will get back into it - if Australia falter. If they don't I think we're well and truly stuffed.
The problems that we see now have been coming for a while. Australia have taken enough from England for the time being, and boy does it show in their attitude. They're really, really up for this.

Everything's running right for Australia - players coming into form with increasing confidence, England players struggling with form and becoming less confident - ok, it's only the first test, but if Australia cock it up from here, they'll never forgive themselves. It's their series to lose.

We should do ok in Adelaide. Then it's Perth. MJ likes Perth!

Ok, that's enough pessimism from me  :)
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Wowbagger on 24 November, 2013, 05:33:27 pm
Confidence is a very interesting component in success. How different are the component parts of each team compared to the time that Cook was out-Hammonding Hammond?
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Von Broad on 24 November, 2013, 06:38:25 pm
Thing about confidence in a team is that there is probably nearly always somebody struggling to find confidence or not playing as well as they could be. This is especially true in cricket where peoples form must be coming and going all the time and to get every single person playing at the top of thier game is more rare that common. If you're part of a team where confidence is on the up then it means you can be 'parented' along. 'Don't worry, keep going, we're all with you, we have confidence in you, things will get better' [of course that kind of faith only lasts so long, but it gives you breathing space to get your act together]. I think Ian Bell is a classic example of that. If that same person is in a team where confidence is a little more fragile, then you might begin to feel a bit more vulnerable, bit more exposed, don't feel the support quite as much and you may not come through the tough stuff.

In cricket, particularly with batting, you could argue that you're always on your own, and it's always down to you and nobody else, but if there a good vibes around with other people in the team doing well, it must help. Collective forces can get very powerful, as history shows us.

The other thing about Australia was Clarke's innings. Good player, but has struggled against Broad. Broad's had the upper hand for some time. When Clarke came out to bat England's tactics were so so obvious it was, well, obvious - Broad comes back after only one over from Tremlet [great for Tremlet's confidence that] to bowl the short stuff at Clarke and Clarke gets the upper hand and goes on to make a hundred. Good for confidence or what? And the rest of the team watch from the dressing room and think hay, that's really cool. Osmosis rules! It matters.

It's all well set up, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: bobb on 24 November, 2013, 06:55:03 pm
I think England will be pissed off with themselves rather than shitting themselves and their confidence won't be knocked too hard.

In the same situation 10 years ago, they'd be shitting themselves. Back then, none of the players had ever been part of an Ashes winning team. In fact, they were all children the last time England won.

Now of course, they've beaten them plenty of times in recent years and this Australian team is no different to the Australian team they've beaten previously.

I would imagine they'll put it down as a stupid fuck up and go into the next game still feeling pretty confident.

My prediction is that England will win the next test match  :P
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Von Broad on 24 November, 2013, 07:32:58 pm
My prediction is that England will win the next test match  :P

Nothing would please me more, and I'd be happy to have the nose of my sentiments rubbed well and truly in the dirt :)
But I just can't see an England victory somehow.
I'd be more inclined to see a [slower pitch] big scoring match ending in a draw.

No doubt we'll be convening here during that time  :)
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on 24 November, 2013, 07:38:18 pm
Can we start this series again? I don't think we were quite ready.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Von Broad on 24 November, 2013, 07:56:26 pm
Can we start this series again? I don't think we were quite ready.

LOL!  :D
Classic
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Peter on 24 November, 2013, 08:14:39 pm
I seem to remember that happening to the GB team sprinters in the Olympic velodrome.....
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: mcshroom on 24 November, 2013, 08:46:33 pm
I expect the flattest feather-bed pitches that they can possibly create will await the teams at the next few tests. 4 draws and the Aussies regain the ashes. Swann could become very important again this series.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: ferret on 25 November, 2013, 08:11:43 am
So Trott has packed it in and is coming home ?

definitely 1 - 0 to Aus.   

edit: if he's that ill why bother going, now we're one batsman down, he's going to be replaced by someone in the squad ?
sorry if my opinion is harsh but unless your 100% fit don't bother going in the first place, it only fecks things up when you give in.
can things get worse, I expect they can  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: andyoxon on 25 November, 2013, 08:30:10 am
Apparently a "long-standing stress-related condition. "  http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/25085025   GWS
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on 25 November, 2013, 09:33:24 am
I think it a great shame that MH issues, especially in sports people, still have to be skirted round with 'words in scare quotes'.
I wish Jonathan Trott all the very best and hope that he can overcome his problems and return to the game at some point.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Jaded on 25 November, 2013, 09:51:11 am
Yes, exactly. Why do we think that if we pick 20 sports players that the squad will not be affected by things that affect the rest of the population. They are not supermen or robots.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Peter on 25 November, 2013, 10:28:41 am
Exactly.  Though I think at least two of the current Australian squad might expect less sympathy than otherwise, should they develop similar problems in the future; three if we include their coach, who sees nothing wrong in their behaviour, even after the authorities have fined their captain.  I think the level of sledging and offensive remarks may reflect just how badly the Australians have been hurt by recent results against England.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: andyoxon on 25 November, 2013, 12:39:53 pm
I think it a great shame that MH issues, especially in sports people, still have to be skirted round with 'words in scare quotes'.
I wish Jonathan Trott all the very best and hope that he can overcome his problems and return to the game at some point.

Well to be fair the BBC didn't put the description in quotes, and I was directly quoting the BBC article.  If the clinical diagnosis (if there is one) hasn't been made public, the media catch all terms are understandable - perhaps.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on 25 November, 2013, 02:01:17 pm
I think it a great shame that MH issues, especially in sports people, still have to be skirted round with 'words in scare quotes'.
I wish Jonathan Trott all the very best and hope that he can overcome his problems and return to the game at some point.

Well to be fair the BBC didn't put the description in quotes, and I was directly quoting the BBC article.  If the clinical diagnosis (if there is one) hasn't been made public, the media catch all terms are understandable - perhaps.

Oh, I wasn't having a pop at you, Andy. I didn't read the bbc article but I saw others where scare quotes were around the phrase - which, certainly in the case of Marcus Trescothick, didn't help. If there's no diagnosis I think they'd be better off with just "unwell".
At least the PTB appear to have shipped Trott straight out, hopefully to avoid being plagued by press hyenas on departure and arrival.
Again I wish him well.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Von Broad on 25 November, 2013, 09:09:49 pm
Well, what an interesting development this is.
And it's good news for England. And good news for Trott too. IMO.

Anybody listening to the commentary throughout the first test would have noticed how much the TMS commentators were talking about Trott. It was pretty obvious they could see straight away there was something going on. And it's been building for a while too.

And the Aussies picked it up. There were onto it like a flash. Blimey, they know how good he is. He's hardly a novice against Australia is he? They could see straight away the problems he was having, and they came right out with it, no messing around, just like Aussies do. And they were spot on. And it's fair game. Do they ahve knowledge of his MH issues?I really doubt it. All they see is a guy putting himslef forward in one of the most hostyile, comp[etitive sporting environments you could imagine. Trott's team mates probably knew, the Aussies knew and finally Trott has nowhere to go, but to admit it to himself. The game's up. Whatever he has going on right now, has obviously started to really encroach more into his concentration and that's a nightmare scenario if you're in that kind of colosseum environment. I wonder had the Aussies not started on him whether he would have been tempted to carry on, hoping it would all sort itself out. Paradoxically they've probably done England a favour.

Trott's a very kind of nervous, obsessive, compulsive kind of character with all the rituals he has to go through before he can face the next ball. It's fine when he can hold it all together, but when things fall apart, heaven knows what he's trying to hold together. And as much as I have empathy for anybody with HM issues [god knows I've had a few myself], the last place you want to be in batting at No3 against Australia in an ashes series. Like, for goodness sake, get the f*** out of there.
And thankfully he has.

And if anybody thinks the level of sledging is any worse than it ever has been, sorry, I just don't believe it. Think Lilly and Thompson? Can you imagine what that was like batting with those two animals bearing down on you? And if you think the English players don't reciprocate then well, I just don't buy it. The difference is these days we have stump mics. We get it all. Years ago we heard nothing.

This is good news for both England and Trott. For Trott he gets to exhale a huge sigh of relief and go curl up a corner somewhere and lick himself better, and England get the chance to regroup with a different team and come once more.

Strangely enough I'm more optimistic than I was yesterday.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Jaded on 26 November, 2013, 12:02:39 am
Ah, mental health eh?

Box it up in a crate and send it home. Job done.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Peter on 26 November, 2013, 12:14:47 am
I'm with you on that, JD.  I think poor Jonathan Trott's troubles are far from over, especially as he now has the stick of public "failure" to beat himself with.  He will know there is lots of sympathy for him but I doubt if that will help immediately.  I really do hope he will be ok. 

As for all the talk about the "normal" level of sledging from both sides, I've no doubt that that is true, although the stump mike doesn't appear to have picked up much from England, does it?  Whatever, if you remove sledging from both sides, what is left ?  Cricket, which is why they are there in the first place.  I think it's all colossally childish and weak and I wish the authorities would stamp it out.  If people want to fight, put them in a sack - otherwise just play cricket.  As for big man Warner - how could you hit a slight bloke like Joe Root and him not go down; bit humiliating really, don't you think?!
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Von Broad on 26 November, 2013, 12:24:24 am
Ah, mental health eh?

Box it up in a crate and send it home. Job done.

Well, they would be your words and your analogy, but given how far he is from home, do you have any other practical suggestions that would be more helpful to him right now?
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Von Broad on 26 November, 2013, 12:45:39 am
As for big man Warner - how could you hit a slight bloke like Joe Root and him not go down; bit humiliating really, don't you think?!

Two wrongs don't make a right, but when it comes to punching opposition players in bars, the English have form too.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/491219.html

But I agree with you, I don't like any of the nasty sledging at all, regardless of where it comes from, and would be happy to see it stamped out, but in this game England lost not because of any kind of under hand tactics, they were just comprehensively beaten, fair and square. Ironically, considering the build up to the game, Broad has come out of the whole experience pretty much unscathed as far as I can see.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: mattc on 26 November, 2013, 06:35:34 am
Ah, mental health eh?

Box it up in a crate and send it home. Job done.

Well, they would be your words and your analogy, but given how far he is from home, do you have any other practical suggestions that would be more helpful to him right now?
Yes, I think JD is being a bit harsh and probably jumping to some conclusions there.

...
Just heard that Flower knew about JT's issues since 2009. I imagine they've worked with him a lot - given other recent Test players' experiences - and that taking him on this tour was not a decision they rushed into.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Von Broad on 26 November, 2013, 08:10:58 am
Just heard that Flower knew about JT's issues since 2009. I imagine they've worked with him a lot - given other recent Test players' experiences - and that taking him on this tour was not a decision they rushed into.

Exactly.

The resignatory tone and body language shown by Andy Flowers (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/25085648) in the press conference yesterday says it all. He wasn't giving the signs of a man who was surprised by the turn of events. More saddened than anything else. Of course they knew. And it's to JT's integrity that he allowed them to know in the first place. 

Things have changed a bit these days. Not for everybody in employment, but for some.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cricket/the-ashes-england-have-backroom-bases-covered-8740885.html
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Peter on 26 November, 2013, 10:17:37 am
As for big man Warner - how could you hit a slight bloke like Joe Root and him not go down; bit humiliating really, don't you think?!

Two wrongs don't make a right, but when it comes to punching opposition players in bars, the English have form too.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/491219.html

But I agree with you, I don't like any of the nasty sledging at all, regardless of where it comes from, and would be happy to see it stamped out, but in this game England lost not because of any kind of under hand tactics, they were just comprehensively beaten, fair and square. Ironically, considering the build up to the game, Broad has come out of the whole experience pretty much unscathed as far as I can see.

Agree with all this, Gerry.  I wasn't really having a go - just a bit of mild sledging; I'm off to stamp it out right now!

Definitely agree that we were thrashed comprehensively (which emphasises how unnecessary sledging is!).
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Von Broad on 26 November, 2013, 09:53:06 pm
I wasn't really having a go - just a bit of mild sledging; I'm off to stamp it out right now!

Hey, no problem. Don't be too hasty to stamp out the mild sledging - you might need it later on in the series :)

See everybody in Adelaide
Can't wait.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Peter on 26 November, 2013, 11:39:20 pm
 :)  - and don't call me Gerry!
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: ferret on 02 December, 2013, 09:14:46 am
so Bresnan complete with iffy back gets the call plus a bit of a shuffle with the batting order, I think I would like to see Bell come in at number 3 just to see how he gets on, give him the opportunity to really make his mark on the team. Anyhow it all kicks off again on Thursday.
 
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: andyoxon on 02 December, 2013, 01:44:48 pm
Lets hope the England batsmen have been in the nets, getting some extra short ball practice...
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: ferret on 02 December, 2013, 05:18:04 pm
They didn't do too well at Alice Springs, at least Monty got to turn his arm over :) 
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: andyoxon on 05 December, 2013, 07:44:26 am
Dropped CLM... :-\

Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: matthew on 05 December, 2013, 11:29:45 am
If 'catches win matches' then I am afraid England just missed their chance(s).

Three drops in the day of varying difficulty; Root's was apparently one that you would be very proud to have held, Monty should have taken his in the follow through and Carberry will be wishing the ground would open up and swallow him.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: andyoxon on 05 December, 2013, 01:29:15 pm
If 'catches win matches' then I am afraid England just missed their chance(s).

Three drops in the day of varying difficulty; Root's was apparently one that you would be very proud to have held, Monty should have taken his in the follow through and Carberry will be wishing the ground would open up and swallow him.

Yes - I guess it's one of those things that most players have to go through at some point.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: bobb on 05 December, 2013, 02:59:43 pm
Catches can win matches, but dropped catches are often soon forgotten. That'll certainly be the case when if England blast out Australia in the first session tomorrow...
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: andyoxon on 06 December, 2013, 12:29:56 am
I have a feeling that England are going to be up against it again in this test.  Anyway, next update in 6-7hrs time...
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Jaded on 06 December, 2013, 07:37:55 am
You were right.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Von Broad on 06 December, 2013, 08:51:12 am
Well, if you're in the driving seat like the Aussies are, that was a very good toss to win on a pitch like that.
Certainly makes things very difficult for England. They need to dig in and steady the ship if they can.
Batting for two days would be useful!
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: ferret on 06 December, 2013, 08:51:45 am
I watched the high lights on TV last night and thought not too bad, Monty had a wicket and was unfortunate not to have two, Broad did well again and Swan took a lovely catch at full stretch. I thought I could go to bed safe in the knowledge that not much could go wrong, oh how wrong was I.
All I can say at the moment  is Oh Dear, I couldn't even listen to all of the high lights on radio 5. :facepalm:
 There isn't a shaking head smiley  :(
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: matthew on 06 December, 2013, 11:33:43 am
so dropping Clarke cost 130 runs, Haddin cost 113. The pair at the crease rather owe the side a few runs, and need to put some miles in the Aussie bowlers.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: andyoxon on 06 December, 2013, 01:52:00 pm
Even 371 to avoid the follow-on looks like a bit of a distant hope atm...
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: mattc on 06 December, 2013, 04:35:30 pm
so dropping Clarke cost 130 runs, Haddin cost 113. The pair at the crease rather owe the side a few runs,
I've never agreed with that flavour of analysis - 20-20 hindsight etc.

But it's part of the divine right of pundits and armchair experts everywhere, so I shan't bother to argue with you!
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: matthew on 06 December, 2013, 09:34:21 pm
so dropping Clarke cost 130 runs, Haddin cost 113. The pair at the crease rather owe the side a few runs,
I've never agreed with that flavour of analysis - 20-20 hindsight etc.

But it's part of the divine right of pundits and armchair experts everywhere, so I shan't bother to argue with you!
Accepted it is a crude analysis of the game, however look at the situations of both drops. Clarke was freshly to the wicket as was Bailey and it could have put the skids under the lower middle order at ~160-5. Haddin would have been out about 5 overs before the close with Johnson, a bowler who can admittedly bat well, expected to start both then and again in the morning.

Getting Clarke out early would have given a good chance of bustling them out by lunch of day 2 for >300 at it was the declared after tea at 570-9. Ouch!
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Jaded on 07 December, 2013, 01:13:46 am
England retain the Ashes? More chance of hand relief from the leader of the Catholic Church.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: bobb on 07 December, 2013, 08:00:13 am
Oh for fuck's sake....
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Jaded on 07 December, 2013, 08:06:48 am
Awful.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: andyoxon on 07 December, 2013, 08:54:20 am
Not good.   May even force myself to watch the highlights to see just how bad.  Fair play to Johnson though, even given England being so poor, and the favourable wicket.

Miracle draw anyone?   No way back from two down in the series...

Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: clifftaylor on 07 December, 2013, 09:02:35 am
KP is a tw@t
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Von Broad on 07 December, 2013, 09:03:09 am
I listened to Root's dismissal on TMS before going to bed and Boycott was absolutely livid.
"There's more brains in a chocolate moose", was his first, very spontaneous, response.
Then Pietersen followed soon after with a poor shot. That didn't do much to settle him down either.

One has to feel a bit for the bowlers. God sake give them a bit of a rest between innings, eh?
Must be a soul destroying to watch that from the pavilion after bowling for two days.
But the batting has been dreadful.
Why have we started throwing wickets away like this again?

One can only conclude that, mentally, the Aussies have well and truly got their claws right into England big time.

Oh dear.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: ferret on 07 December, 2013, 09:51:14 am
KP is a tw@t

I've been saying that for a long time :smug:.................unfortunately it would appear that the rest of the england batsmen have joined him (hangheadinshamesmiley)
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: LEE on 07 December, 2013, 12:16:22 pm
England retain the Ashes? More chance of hand relief from the leader of the Catholic Church.

I'm not sure if you think our chances are good or bad based on that.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: ferret on 07 December, 2013, 12:18:42 pm
England retain the Ashes? More chance of hand relief from the leader of the Catholic Church.

I'm not sure if you think our chances are good or bad based on that.


age based as well ?
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Illegal Combat Ant on 07 December, 2013, 04:36:43 pm
Hello darkness my old friend ...
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: mattc on 07 December, 2013, 05:59:14 pm
OK, so we need a miracle to save this game, and from 2-0 down a drawn series is looking unreachable. So let's look at some what-ifs! (we've already looked at "what if those dropped catches hadn't been")

M "moustache" Johnson has clearly been the biggest factor. (Did I hear he was 6-26 today?!? ) How would these matches have gone if each side had been without their best bowler?
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Jaded on 08 December, 2013, 12:55:28 am
Not sure we are going to make it to lunch today.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: clifftaylor on 08 December, 2013, 08:34:55 am
KP is a tw@t

And so is Cook.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Jaded on 08 December, 2013, 08:37:58 am
Ok, I got it wrong, we probably won't make it to lunch today. However there is 0.1 inch of rain forecast, so there is a hope...
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: andyoxon on 08 December, 2013, 09:44:19 am
The pressure has got to Cook.  Contrast when he wasn't captain in the 2010-11 series*.  Why did Andrew Strauss have to go and leave?  Oh yes...

* allowing for MJ not bowling at his best...
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: ferret on 08 December, 2013, 10:46:39 am
The pressure has got to Cook.  Contrast when he wasn't captain in the 2010-11 series*.  Why did Andrew Strauss have to go and leave?  Oh yes...

* allowing for MJ not bowling at his best...

 bit of a funny one that, obviously the management backed KP & not Strauss, would have loved to have been a fly on the wall at that meeting.
Cook does seem to be having a bit of a Botham moment, but who would you hand the top spot too ? 'spose they could always recall Gatting   :demon: :P
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Von Broad on 08 December, 2013, 11:09:17 am
What is so frustrating is that England are making Australia look better than they really are. Sure, with MJ bowling fast and straight they have the edge, but in terms of ability, the teams are pretty even really. All that changes though when you chuck wickets away like England have been doing. Bell plays well first innings, plays a bad shot in the second. Root and KP play terrible shots in the first innings and then play well in the second. Frustrating.

Still three to go though. Draw one, win two. No problem :)
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: ferret on 08 December, 2013, 01:39:47 pm
I know that Gooch and Flower can only do so much with the batsmen, once they walk out to bat they're on their own, but might it be time to have a look at the coaches, Gooch is after all in charge of the batting side of things. I think that after being beaten this badly for a second time the England boys will find it very difficult to get back on top of their game, also you have to take in to consideration how quickly this series has followed on from the last one a lot of people did say it was much too soon. At best we can hope for a draw and retain the urn but I think the ozzies are planing a 5-0 stuffing, was it that Mr Benaud who said cricket, it's a funny old game or words to that effect :)
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: andyoxon on 09 December, 2013, 01:18:25 pm
Doesn't look good for Perth; perhaps the one for a draw then.

Quote
You have to go back 35 years to find the last, and only, time England have won a Test at the WACA in Perth.

Back then Geoffrey Boycott was opening the batting and Bob Willis was leading the pace attack.

http://thecricketmagazine.com/the-ashes-2013-14-all-you-need-to-know-about-the-waca-in-perth-host-of-the-third-test/
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: LEE on 09 December, 2013, 04:32:54 pm
Here's the stat that says it all

Quote
England have not passed 400 in their past 20 Test innings

That says to me that we aren't much more than an average batting side.  Any decent batting side will look at that stat and be confident of getting a lead and immediately putting us under pressure to get runs.

Added pressure rarely equates to added runs.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: mattc on 09 December, 2013, 06:44:31 pm
I did a quick scan of batting figures on cricinfo. If you go back to the 1st test line-up (Trott back in), the team's Test batting averages add up to something not far off 400!* So you'd expect SOME innings to get over 400 with ease.

Unless our batsmen have all lost the mental skills to play as they are capable. Which is sad.

*[There is probably some clever way of getting their database to give this data directly. And my arithmetic may be off ...]
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: andyoxon on 10 December, 2013, 08:35:26 am
England Year to date test innings average of 289?  (ignoring 37/3).  Apparently England managed 465 agst NZ in March.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;home_or_away=1;home_or_away=2;home_or_away=3;orderby=start;result=1;result=2;result=3;result=4;spanmax1=10+Dec+2013;spanmin1=10+Dec+2012;spanval1=span;team=1;template=results;type=team;view=innings

Watched some lowlights yesterday; Cook's slog dismissal was a bit of a shocker...

Quote
Since the last non-batsman captained an Ashes tour of Australia, Willis in 1982-83, England's captains have all managed an average of 35 amid the triumphs or, far more often, disasters. The exception was Flintoff, who fleshed out his batting (an average of 28) with 11 wickets.

None of Cook's predecessors in recent times managed to lead from the front to the extent of making a big hundred: the highest Test score by an England Test captain in Australia in almost 40 years is only 117, by Gooch in 1990-91.
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/haunted-captain-cook-could-not-look-anyone-in-the-eye-20131210-2z2vj.html
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: madcow on 11 December, 2013, 01:05:11 am
From this- http://www.indiatvnews.com/sports/cricket/ashes-we-want-to-win-by-5-0-says-anderson-8535.html (http://www.indiatvnews.com/sports/cricket/ashes-we-want-to-win-by-5-0-says-anderson-8535.html)

to this:-

http://www.vcricket.com/cricket-news/-worried-vaughan-says-england-could-lose-ashes-5-0-45173.html (http://www.vcricket.com/cricket-news/-worried-vaughan-says-england-could-lose-ashes-5-0-45173.html)

Actually ,I'm pleased the Aussies have recovered their style and made a good series of it. England have forgotten how to play hard.
Good on Joe Root, another Boycott in the making , hope he manages to cope with the rest of the tour as well as the first two matches. 
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Jaded on 11 December, 2013, 01:11:01 am
Another Boycott in the making?

Please no, 50 runs scored over a day and a half, strokes played with consummate, exquisite boredom.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: clifftaylor on 11 December, 2013, 06:26:21 am
That's exactly what England need - somebody who can hold one end down, giving other people the chance to score runs.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: matthew on 11 December, 2013, 12:40:39 pm
The england openers aught to be taking the approach of:

Not out at lunch - good doing my job, runs not important
Not out at Tea - good doing my job 50-70 runs would be nice but not vital
Not out at close - job done ideally 100 runs to my name but importantly 90 overs in the bowlers legs so the likes of Pieterson and Bell can make runs tomorrow.

Carberry appears to have the right attitude to leaving the ball outside off stump but was caught pulling. A shot that should only be attepted if you can keep it down or clear the rope.
Cook has in the past managed it but needs to bat first without the effort of captaining in the field for a day and a half before being sent in.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: andyoxon on 11 December, 2013, 03:51:17 pm
I've read the signs and our local willow tree is predicting that England might be about to be free from the WACA stranglehold...

Australian Willow, I think.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: madcow on 11 December, 2013, 11:36:07 pm
That's exactly what England need - somebody who can hold one end down, giving other people the chance to score runs.

Thanks, cliff, that's exactly what I meant. Slow and boring to score runs and wear the bowlers out.
K.P is  great at flashy batting strokes but to win matches you have to score lots of  runs and get the other side out.
There is nothing more knackering for a fast bowler  than having  to bowl all day long at someone who plays safe, steady shots.  It annoys the hell out of them, then they get raggy. That's when a good batsmen starts scoring.

 England are simply not scoring enough runs . Root has averaged 43 and he's the highest scorer on this tour.

(I'm not saying K.P is crap, as his Test record is almost as good as Boycs, but for some reason he isn't coping with the Aus bowling so far. Hope he can improve asap.)
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Von Broad on 12 December, 2013, 09:08:30 pm
No catching the start of play for this one, not for me anyway, not at 2.30am!
Time zones come calling. It's a big place out there.

Well it's a fascinating situation, but very tough to come back from 2-0 down, not impossible but a real tough call, but I'm wishing some good wishes for a change - negativity gets to be draining after a while :)
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Jaded on 12 December, 2013, 11:40:46 pm
It does mean that my morning meeting could be carried out in front of the big screen, if news is good.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: andyoxon on 13 December, 2013, 08:06:01 am
Like Brisbane, running away from England again. 
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: matthew on 13 December, 2013, 10:10:05 am
Let them off the hook again.  :(

143-5 to 326-6 at the close

Smith 103no and Haddin 55 to lift the Aussies from the mire
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: andyoxon on 13 December, 2013, 12:25:20 pm
Probably down to the England batsmen to stay in and build a decent total to stay in the match, so that doesn't bode too well.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Von Broad on 13 December, 2013, 06:41:33 pm
Let them off the hook again.  :(

143-5 to 326-6 at the close

I'm not sure we let them off the hook so to speak [although I say that in ignorance, I know nothing of how we bowled subsequent to 143-5 or if there were any dropped catches etc]
Sounds like the majority of those six Australia wickets were giveaways, which was surprising to hear on the radio this morning before I left the house.
If, on a decent pitch, after being 143-5, they decide not to play so many throwaway shots and knuckle down then that's not necessarily England's fault. You can only bowl as best you can.

The big difference is confidence. imo.
In current form, if England had been 143-5, chances are the final all-out total might easily have been anything between 144 and 326!
It's a test winning side when, if one person fails, then somebody else steps up to the plate to take over.
England have been very good at doing that in recent years. It's what the Ashes winning side was made of in Australia last time around under Strauss - there was always somebody that came good at the right time, and the whole team chipped in big time. That's what Australia are doing this series.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: matthew on 13 December, 2013, 10:04:40 pm
Agreed, I am not sure we let them off the hook but rather they got out of jail. None of our bowlers were capable in the heat to break through that pair and into the tail.

Last summer was similar an England player managed to step up in each test with bat and ball whilst the Aussies didn't. This time round the Aussies are getting a star performance in each test and the others are pitching in while we look like rabbits in the headlights.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: bobb on 13 December, 2013, 10:08:29 pm
....while we look like rabbits in the headlights.

England certainly look like rabbits when batting!
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: mcshroom on 13 December, 2013, 10:21:00 pm
Rabbits are more amusing and seem to last longer than English batsmen at the moment: -
http://youtu.be/wVN4PRLrpsA



(Ok probably a hare)
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Deano on 13 December, 2013, 10:27:05 pm
Let them off the hook again.  :(

143-5 to 326-6 at the close

I'm not sure we let them off the hook so to speak [although I say that in ignorance, I know nothing of how we bowled subsequent to 143-5 or if there were any dropped catches etc]
Sounds like the majority of those six Australia wickets were giveaways, which was surprising to hear on the radio this morning before I left the house.
If, on a decent pitch, after being 143-5, they decide not to play so many throwaway shots and knuckle down then that's not necessarily England's fault. You can only bowl as best you can.

The big difference is confidence. imo.
In current form, if England had been 143-5, chances are the final all-out total might easily have been anything between 144 and 326!
It's a test winning side when, if one person fails, then somebody else steps up to the plate to take over.
England have been very good at doing that in recent years. It's what the Ashes winning side was made of in Australia last time around under Strauss - there was always somebody that came good at the right time, and the whole team chipped in big time. That's what Australia are doing this series.

I'm quite pleased about the development of the series. Apart from the nostalgic pleasure of going to sleep with Australia at 150-5 (ooh, we can get them out cheaply) and waking up to them at 350-6, and the joy of seeing a fast bowler such as Mitch Johnson rampaging through the tail (I enjoyed the bag-of-shite chants as much as anyone, but I've a soft spot for a fellow left-armer, and he's been fabulous), the series so far has highlighted that England still have a whole raft of unresolved issues, and they've been complacent on the back of a summer victory. The Aussies have come back - which is thoroughly admirable, since it wasn't just England who were beating them, they were being thrashed by India and nearly all comers.

England were by far the better team in the summer, but there were loads of problems in the team, which they don't seem to have done much to resolve. Since Collingwood retired no-one has made a place for themselves at number six (though I'm pleased to see Ben Stokes, the first Cumbrian to represent England, being picked), Jimmy Anderson isn't having the impact he used to have, Matt Prior is horribly out of form, and the captaincy seems to be weighing down on Cook.

Anyway, regardless of England's success, I'm enjoying having highlights free. Hopefully this is a transitional England who'll learn from the experience, though Flower seems to be a bit too unbending in his approach.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: mattc on 14 December, 2013, 08:57:53 am
KP:
He just doesn't have the mental strength to be a Test batsman. He gets bored, goes for a pull, gets out - repeat ad nauseum

I've tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, but he's just been taking the piss recently. Past glories are no use to us. Drop him.

Pfffft.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Jaded on 14 December, 2013, 09:05:37 am
So, from a good reachable target we get back to the old 'avoid the follow on' as target.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: andyoxon on 14 December, 2013, 11:29:34 am
This Australian side, on home grounds, are simply able to dominate England in batting and bowling, and are the better side.  I'm hoping for a consolation win at the MCG or SCG, but doubtful it will happen on the current form.   :-\
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: clifftaylor on 15 December, 2013, 12:06:56 pm
And Broad is now out of this match (at least) with a foot injury.  :-\
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: ferret on 15 December, 2013, 03:25:02 pm
After listening to the high lights of the first day I didn't bother to catch up with any more, I suppose if you look back at the summer it's not at all surprising that Australia are giving us a stuffing, if it wasn't for weather interrupted games back then we would have lost that series as well or at best it would have been a draw. Even during the summer Test Cook & KP were not batting to the best of their ability along with one or two others now we're on Aussie wickets the short comings of our batsmen stick out like sore thumbs, I have never liked KP so it goes without saying if it were down to me he would be the first out the door, as far as I'm concerned he's an arrogant prick who plays for himself and not the team unfortunately cricket is a team game, perhaps he should take up golf. Batsmen like Pietersen have to be consistent, I think batsmen 4 & 5 need to stay in like as been said up thread wear the bowlers down don't worry about hitting the ball out of the ground, block, take singles keep changing the batsmen don't let the bowler settle wait for the bad ball, don't chase after wide balls . this is stuff you learn in secondary school it's not rocket science

well thats my tuppence worth :)
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: mattc on 15 December, 2013, 03:31:18 pm
Re: ferret's guide to batting. DId anyone hear the crazy stat about Boyc's inningses at Perth?
He hit something like two centuries in a row with exactly 0 boundaries (that's a zero).

A master of the #digin indeed.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: ferret on 15 December, 2013, 05:19:49 pm
well exactly, I believe that he has the fourth career highest test score or something like that, but he was also called boring at times, well if boring wins matches then so be it.
I was also talking about batsmen 4 & 5 who need to hold onto their wicket, especially if the first 3 have thrown their wickets away, but of course every game is different, unfortunately our batsmen and especially KP only seem to be able to play one style and that ain't working, time to change tack I think try a different approach (I just thought) back in the summer didn't one of the England squad say that Cook wasn't adventurous as a captain, maybe the answer is that, get adventurous or get a new captain it may even do his batting some good a'la Botham. Mind you I'm getting fed up with this weather I'll give it a bash just pay for my flights and hotel can't say fairer than that :)
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Jaded on 15 December, 2013, 05:22:37 pm
Whilst boring wins matches it loses customers.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: clifftaylor on 15 December, 2013, 05:52:01 pm
The current England performance isn't going to win new customers, is it?
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: ferret on 15 December, 2013, 06:43:09 pm
well it all depends on what people want, people who can actually bat and score runs but take a a few innings to make a good score or people who go into a 5 day game and use T20 tack ticks and throw any chance of winning or retaining what ever trophy they're playing for away, is it possible that we've actually forgotten how to play a 5 day game, going by some of the shot selections I would say yes, reminds me of the 20 over slog we used to play in the local pub league.:)
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Von Broad on 15 December, 2013, 07:25:10 pm
The key is in the phrase 'Test Match'.
It is a 'test' in all senses of the word.
It's a game that last for 5 days.
It tests your ability in terms of technique, strategy and mental strength.
Over 5 days.
It's not a swing-the-bat fest, it's a game that goes on..... for 5 days!!

However, it must be said that it was the Australians that changed the face of test cricket in recent generations.
They came along with an action-packed side and essentially played a limited over game over 5 days - except that a lot of those games only lasted 4, with stacks of runs and wickets falling in the process - and really upped the anti. And everybody was happy. 'Hell this is more exiting than the other stuff we used to watch'.

If you can't beat 'em join. So we did, and actually we've beaten them at their own game. 2005 being the classic example.

But you can't sustain that kind of intensity all the time.
And now, in this series, things are different.
More than anything else, ever since the first test in Brisbane, we needed to really, really dig in and show some application. And get so boring. Really boring. Slow the whole show down. Make them bowl and bowl and bowl. But no - little bit of enticement and bang another wicket goes. It's the limited-over game mentality.

If you don't appreciate that kind of application then fair enough, then scrap the idea of a 'test match' and play one day games instead.
But we've lost the whole notion of what test matches can be about. Look how much time have had to bat, but haven't been able to fill the time? Application is all over the place. Not a cat in hells chance.

What's very frustrating is that there is ability there. There's stacks of ability in that team. But something has gone dreadfully wrong somewhere.

Anyway, it's all so easy from the side lines, and I'm getting too wrapped up and involved with the whole thing, so I best chill out and go for a beer  :)
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Jaded on 16 December, 2013, 12:30:29 am
Whatever the game format is, it either survives financially on its own, or it requires subsidy from other formats.

The spicing up of Test cricket has saved it, as it was likely to die out. So the spicing up leads to matches over in three days - well, matches don't have to last the full allotted time.

Maybe I'm biased - I grew up painting windows when Boycott was batting and watching the paint dry was way more exciting than listening to TMS on R4.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: andyoxon on 16 December, 2013, 08:24:30 am
Golden duck for Cook; that's got to hurt.

Quote
"That was Alastair Cook's first first-baller in Test cricket - and he's the first man to get a first-baller in his 100th Test."
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: ferret on 16 December, 2013, 09:09:16 am
is Bell having a bit of a fight back ? can he will he,  he is our last chance, 50 up :)


EDIT; OH fuck  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 16 December, 2013, 10:17:30 am
The forum Aussies have been pretty quiet on this thread.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Veloman on 16 December, 2013, 02:17:37 pm
The forum Aussies have been pretty quiet on this thread.

Don't need to shout when you have the 'high ground'!
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: bobb on 17 December, 2013, 08:44:33 am
Stoked for for Stokes. 353 in the final innings must give England some confidence. Need to get something out of this series now....
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: De Sisti on 17 December, 2013, 12:55:47 pm
Why did this series follow so soon after the last one? ???
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: bobb on 17 December, 2013, 01:41:43 pm
Why did this series follow so soon after the last one? ???

Because there are so many other tours to squeeze in. Oh and there's money to be made....
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: De Sisti on 17 December, 2013, 02:30:01 pm
Why did this series follow so soon after the last one? ???

Because there are so many other tours to squeeze in. Oh and there's money to be made....


I can understand the money bit; but couldn't they just spread the other tours out a bit?
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: bobb on 17 December, 2013, 03:31:21 pm
Well, no! They wouldn't be making enough money if they did that!

I don't know the exact reasons to be honest, but I think there are general agreements between test playing nations about how often they play each other and when. So one country may not give a shit if another country is playing somebody else when they have already agreed to play them at a certain time and place. So for both England and Australia to both be able to honour their commitments (and make money) in the coming years, they needed to play now or they wouldn't have time to play again for ages. So it was either back to back series or a massive break of several years.

I'm not sure if this has been done in the past or not. It wouldn't surprise me if it had....
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Veloman on 17 December, 2013, 03:40:49 pm
There you go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Ashes_series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Ashes_series)

or if you like:

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2011/jan/28/england-australia-ashes-2013-cricket (http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2011/jan/28/england-australia-ashes-2013-cricket)
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Deano on 17 December, 2013, 07:20:20 pm
Why did this series follow so soon after the last one? ???

Conspiracy by the Aussies to pull the rope-a-dope trick in the summer and hammer us in the winter.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: mattc on 17 December, 2013, 07:30:48 pm
I've just heard Tuffers on the 5Live "where did it all go wrong?!?" special. Despite his normally affable happy-go-lucky persona, he's finally been driven bonkers by  KP's shocking play and had a proper rant  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: andyoxon on 17 December, 2013, 09:05:48 pm
Just watched the Day 4 highlights.  KP just just couldn't help risking that doomed forget-everything-ego-six.  Ben Stokes produced some great shots.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Basil on 19 December, 2013, 10:37:10 pm
Aggers onna bike (http://t.co/UYmTvypGI8)
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Jaded on 22 December, 2013, 01:07:52 am
Up the Swanny (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/25481772)

He's had a hard tour, but this looks like a symptom of something deeper for the team. Retiring mid tour.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: clifftaylor on 22 December, 2013, 08:40:05 am
It suggests to me that team spirit is either very low, or non existant.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: ferret on 22 December, 2013, 10:36:53 am
I've also just read that Swann is leaving the tour, rat's, sinking ship (or should that be sunken ship) spring to mind. He could at least remain available for the last 2 games, It's never good for a player to "retire" mid series, leaves a bad taste in the mouth for the rest of the team, it would appear that not only can Australia smell blood they're about to gralloch the England team.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Wowbagger on 22 December, 2013, 10:45:12 am
Wouldn't Swann have signed a contract to stay until the end of the tour?

It reinforces the expression "Swanning Out".
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Von Broad on 22 December, 2013, 11:52:56 am
It seems a bit odd to go right at this point mid-tour, but regardless of the questions it raises, there can be no doubt he's been a superb player for England over recent times.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: bobb on 22 December, 2013, 03:11:51 pm
255 wickets in only 60 test matches is pretty impressive.

Maybe he fancied a nice holiday in the sun in Australia. He got his air fare paid -  good planning  :P
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: andyoxon on 22 December, 2013, 09:50:47 pm
Yep, he shouldn't have flounced departed mid-tour.  At any rate hasn't it been more about the pitches than any particularly poor performance on his part? 
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Tewdric on 22 December, 2013, 11:40:13 pm
The forum Aussies have been pretty quiet on this thread.

Too pissed celebrating to type?   ;D
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 December, 2013, 12:15:13 am
Well, the only archetypally outspoken Aussie on here was Grubb, and he hasn't posted for a long time.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: ferret on 23 December, 2013, 10:47:29 am
and it rumbles on ;)  http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/25489391
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Jaded on 23 December, 2013, 10:53:52 am
Quote
"It's quite simple. I came on this trip half expecting to be my last tour for England," he said at the MCG.

"But with the Ashes gone in those three Test matches, personally I think to stay on and selfishly play just to experience another Boxing Day Test or Sydney Test match would be wrong.

"It would be wrong for me and wrong for the team as well.

"It's time for someone else to strap themselves in and enjoy the ride like I have done.

"It's time for England to rebuild and refocus on winning back these big series and me hanging around with the decision already made wouldn't be right."
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: ferret on 23 December, 2013, 06:26:02 pm
but just because he's there doesn't mean he would have been picked for either of the last two games,perhaps the wickets would be more suitable for the quicks or some other BS that they come out with at times like this, then he could have come home and gracefully and unselfishly retire,
Unless of course there is some real bad vibes in the dressing room right now and he just doesn't want to be involved, if that's the case then fair play to him, it has already been pointed out that he is one of the highest wicket takers for the England team and no one can take that away from him.
Although watching Strictly on Saturday  Darren Gough did say that despite his taking 200+ wickets for England he is best remembered for his Strictly appearance  (despite his bad knee at the time) :)
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Jaded on 23 December, 2013, 06:40:48 pm
Maybe his elbow is worse than thought.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: mattc on 26 December, 2013, 05:30:35 pm
KP was dropped - at midwicket, surprisingly - on 45. And on the boundary a few runs earlier.

And yet Sir Geoff is full of praise for his application in this innings??????
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: andyoxon on 27 December, 2013, 08:48:59 am
Some actual highlights to watch for the first time...  ;)
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Wowbagger on 27 December, 2013, 10:08:45 am
Did anyone see this?

It's a shame that Morgan was still walking afterwards, but it has its comedy value nonetheless.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/video/2013/dec/27/piers-morgan-brett-lee-over-cricket
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: ferret on 27 December, 2013, 07:07:03 pm
KP was dropped - at midwicket, surprisingly - on 45. And on the boundary a few runs earlier.

And yet Sir Geoff is full of praise for his application in this innings??????

mmmm left me a bit confused also,

considering he was the last "batsman" with Broad at the other end I would have said it was typical selfish batting from KP, he already put his opinion forward in an interview the other day, basically he doesn't care what anybody says or how many mistakes he makes, he bats how he bats end of, if you don't like it tough!! talk about the tail wagging the dog. Someone did mention that perhaps Gooch's style of coaching/batting doesn't  suit everybody which is fair enough, once you've got the basics in place batting is a very individual skill.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: bobb on 27 December, 2013, 07:44:02 pm
Did anyone see this?

It's a shame that Morgan was still walking afterwards, but it has its comedy value nonetheless.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/video/2013/dec/27/piers-morgan-brett-lee-over-cricket

To be fair to Morgan, that takes some serious balls!
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Wowbagger on 27 December, 2013, 07:49:07 pm
Did anyone see this?

It's a shame that Morgan was still walking afterwards, but it has its comedy value nonetheless.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/video/2013/dec/27/piers-morgan-brett-lee-over-cricket

To be fair to Morgan, that takes some serious balls!

Indeed! Not that I'd noticed, but he'd been shooting his mouth off for quite some time about the disastrous England batting and Brett Lee challenged him to face an over in the nets. It looks a damned sight more fearsome from a camera placed by the non-striker's stumps than it does from the normal angle over the sight screen.

Do you remember David Steel being selected for England to try to staunch the wicket haemorrhage against Lillee & Thompson in 1975? He did pretty well, scoring  (I think), 72 in his first innings against them. I understand that he was greeted at the wicket by the pithy one-liner from Rodney Marsh "Bloody hell, who the hell's this? Groucho Marx?"
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: bobb on 27 December, 2013, 08:40:46 pm
Do you remember David Steel being selected for England to try to staunch the wicket haemorrhage against Lillee & Thompson in 1975?

I'm afraid I don't. I have a fairly good excuse though  :P
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Wowbagger on 27 December, 2013, 08:44:11 pm
Do you remember David Steel being selected for England to try to staunch the wicket haemorrhage against Lillee & Thompson in 1975?

I'm afraid I don't. I have a fairly good excuse though  :P

I thought you might have some smartarse answer like that!   :)
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Wowbagger on 27 December, 2013, 08:46:06 pm
David Steele (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Steele_(cricketer))

Do you think he ought to be recalled for the final test?
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Peter on 27 December, 2013, 09:12:34 pm
I suppose Brett Lee's out of practice now but he only hit the stumps once (and that was a leg stump) - I think you'd expect better when you knew the batsman was going to be at leg-slip for the whole over!  But Lee's action is superb.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Jakob on 28 December, 2013, 12:02:38 am
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/video/2013/dec/27/piers-morgan-brett-lee-over-cricket

That alone made Englands loss of the Ashes wortwhile.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: andyoxon on 28 December, 2013, 12:04:15 am
Hopefully Haddin won't erode the whole lead... :-\
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Jaded on 28 December, 2013, 12:46:02 am
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/video/2013/dec/27/piers-morgan-brett-lee-over-cricket

That alone made Englands loss of the Ashes wortwhile.

Are you ignoring Wow?
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Jakob on 28 December, 2013, 01:20:19 am
Nah, just blind..did scroll through to see if anyone else posted it...apologies.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Jaded on 28 December, 2013, 04:51:55 am
It is worth watching twice, to be fair,

Unlike our most recent collapse.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Wowbagger on 28 December, 2013, 05:21:48 am
Insomniac's corner.

England lead by 215. Apparently Australia have only ever recorded 3 wins at the MCG when they have exceeded this total in the fourth innings and the most recent of those was 1961.

287 for 5 in 1929
260 for 9 in 1951
258 for 8 in 1961
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Wowbagger on 28 December, 2013, 08:09:09 am
Bugger! I go to sleep and they lose 4 wickets for buggerall. I thought England might set 250, which might have made a match of it. I reckon Aus will get this without much worry.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: andyoxon on 28 December, 2013, 08:37:43 am
These collapses are getting tedious - well played Aus I suppose.  The pitch must have been 'doing something'; perhaps England bowlers will...
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Jaded on 28 December, 2013, 09:12:37 am
It is a drop-in pitch, they've got hydraulic rams under it that move it when we are batting.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Pingu on 28 December, 2013, 11:51:55 am
I suppose Brett Lee's out of practice now but he only hit the stumps once (and that was a leg stump) - I think you'd expect better when you knew the batsman was going to be at leg-slip for the whole over!  But Lee's action is superb.

If I were in Lee's position, I wouldn't be aiming for the stumps  :demon:
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Jaded on 29 December, 2013, 09:03:03 am
Oh well, at least we tried a bit in that one...  ::-)

Snatching defeat from jaws glimmering with a faint glow of victory.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Peter on 29 December, 2013, 09:17:58 am
I suppose Brett Lee's out of practice now but he only hit the stumps once (and that was a leg stump) - I think you'd expect better when you knew the batsman was going to be at leg-slip for the whole over!  But Lee's action is superb.

If I were in Lee's position, I wouldn't be aiming for the stumps  :demon:

I think Hadlee's probably right over this:-

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/lee-could-killed-piers-morgan-hadlee-003256128.html#CFLzvfh

In a "real" match, Lee would have been taken off after a warning, I think.  It all looks a bit stupid.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Jaded on 29 December, 2013, 09:26:47 am
Piers Morgan. Tosser.

Maybe he'll have a bit more respect for others after this. He's the epitome of sneering nasty journalism that helps fuel the critical 'me me me' society we live in.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Peter on 29 December, 2013, 10:52:39 am
Absolutely - but the sentence is death?
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: bobb on 29 December, 2013, 11:59:36 am
Absolutely - but the sentence is death?

I think Sir Richard was exagerating the danger somewhat. Professional cricketers get hit all the time and none of them have ever died (as far as I'm aware). Derek Randall got hit clean on his helm*tless head by Lillee (or was it Thomson?) in 1977 and just rubbed it better and carried on!
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Wowbagger on 29 December, 2013, 03:06:02 pm
Roger Davies "died" on the pitch in that his heart and breathing both stopped after being hit on the head but he was fielding, not batting. Peter Lever hit a batsman (can't remember who) and the batsman's heart stopped for a time. ISTR that Lever was so affected b.y the incident that he was never the same bowler afterwards. Charlie Griffiths hittan Indian batsman and fractured his skull.

Glamorgan players fielding at short leg were in the habit of wearing crash helmets long before they became customary for batsmen. I remember seeing Tony Cordle wearing one, I think when playing in the 1960s, which was before the Roger Davies incident.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: LEE on 29 December, 2013, 07:28:08 pm
Absolutely - but the sentence is death?

I'm not sure if it's a death sentence or not (they wear crash helmets and lots of armour) but I could happily watch Brett Lee bowl at Piers Morgan all day.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Von Broad on 29 December, 2013, 07:34:11 pm
What an odd piece of film. Really bizarre.

As much as it's easy/perfectly acceptable even, to criticise Bret Lee, what on earth was PM thinking?
Like....is he a cricket fan? Does he even understand the basics of the game? What was he expecting from a fast bowler? Does he even know who Bret Lee is? [A retired test cricket bowler too].

I can only deduce that he's utterly clueless about top level cricket, or he needs the publicity. Maybe both are true, but I doubt the latter actually. He surely doesn't need the publicity. He has to clueless about cricket. Surely. Who would want to face that kind of bowling?

Anybody, who has even half an incline about what it's like at the highest level of the game would know that, essentially, the likes of you and I, would have a job even seeing the damn ball, let alone trying to get a bat to it. If we could see it, we'd be doing really well. As as for playing a shot? Not a cat in hells chance. Sorry, no bloody chance. And PM reckons he's a cricket fan? Yeah, right.

And really, why the hell should Bret Lee treat him like a 12yr old?
"You want to know what it's like in the middle? .....well here it is mate!"

Bit of advice PM - stick to slagging off from the sidelines of a television studio....it's easier.

[And don't mention Bodyline either.......they haven't forgotten :)]
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Peter on 29 December, 2013, 08:06:05 pm
Yes.  I often go over the road to watch the cricket at my village club, who play in the Central Lancashire League, a high enough standard to be used by up and coming and down and going professionals from foreign countries (I saw the sublime Rohan Kanhai play in the 70s).  If I sit on the boundary between the wickets, I can barely pick up the flight of the ball when the quicks are on and I wouldn't be surprised if the nets where PM faced Lee had no sight-screen.  I'm not sure how old PM is (cue Cary Grant jokes) but I would imagine he's at the stage when your eyes start going - even if they were any god in the first place.

When I was a  schoolboy I remember (or think I do) that there were sessions where you could face an over from the notoriously accurate, and therefore relatively safe Brian Statham, for a fee.  If you got a bat on the ball at all, you got a reward.  Most people were bowled four or five times and LBW the rest.  Lee is nothing like the bowler Statham was, in spite of his beautiful action but I think he's a lot faster and therefore more dangerous.  I suspect PM of being a public schoolboy, which is why he thought he ought to accept the challenge.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Jakob on 29 December, 2013, 10:48:25 pm
Well, he's not the first Australian to take a journalist to task after slagging off athletes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLdCXWUdaIo
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Wowbagger on 31 December, 2013, 10:51:05 pm
I understand that Piers Morgan has a broken rib after his encounter with Brett Lee.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: matthew on 03 January, 2014, 09:13:08 am
And the Aussie lower middle order gets the top 5 off the hook again.  :facepalm:

Apparently the Aussie top 5 have averaged in the order of 130 for the first innings of these five tests. The lower order (last 5 wickets) has averaged 214. So whilst both sides have regularly been at 100-4 or 130-5 the Aussies have been able to throw the ball to Johnson and blow away the english tail so that they are all out for 200 or less and Haddin et al have dug the Aussies out of their hole to reach 300+

Hats off to Haddin, the English bowlers just haven't been able to come up with, and execute, an appropriate plan to get him out cheaply.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Jaded on 03 January, 2014, 09:21:51 am
Haddin and Smith were bashing us around,in full control, for the two hours I watched.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: andyoxon on 03 January, 2014, 10:24:38 am
Serious case of deja vu.  Haddin's been very good value for Aus.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: ferret on 03 January, 2014, 01:44:57 pm
one thing we have never been good at is getting rid of the tail enders, if you watched the Windies back in their heyday they would steam in and give the tail enders an extra yard and the same with the Aussies they get it up in the ribs, we on the other hand always seem to back off or by the time the tail comes in to bat we're out of energy. I don't see any reason to bowl differently to tail end batsmen than openers the only ones I would make an exception for would be the other teams quicks who would be bowling at me later :) not that I would ever claim to be a bowler, keeping wicket is where it's at for me :)
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: andyoxon on 04 January, 2014, 12:40:54 am
This could be interesting.

England's lowest innings score in a test was 45 in Aus, 1887.    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/145832.html

Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Pingu on 04 January, 2014, 12:44:12 am
300 behind & still 5 wickets left  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Jaded on 04 January, 2014, 12:45:37 am
Off to bed. With a gout attack - somewhat less painful than watching England  ;D
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: andyoxon on 04 January, 2014, 11:31:17 am
England top five batsmen went for a total of 19 runs.  Losing with style?
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: bobb on 04 January, 2014, 11:55:00 am
Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse....
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: ferret on 04 January, 2014, 01:55:09 pm
well if I wasn't the pessimist I am it would be down right bloody embarrassing, hang on it is bloody embarrassing. 
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Wowbagger on 04 January, 2014, 01:59:14 pm
Why is it embarrassing? You don't bear some of the responsibility for the England team's ineptitude, do you?  :P
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Von Broad on 04 January, 2014, 11:28:16 pm
When it can't possibly get any worse, it does...the nadir: 23 for 5. 
I always fancies the Aussies, but I never thought it would be like this.
Please let this series be over. We just can't take anymore!  :)
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Jaded on 05 January, 2014, 01:37:34 am
420 runs in two days? No problem, as long as we can have three innings.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: clifftaylor on 05 January, 2014, 07:50:16 am
Thank you, and good night  ::-)
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Jaded on 05 January, 2014, 09:05:02 am
As I predicted, one innings wasn't enough. In fact we probably would have struggled with three.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: T42 on 05 January, 2014, 09:52:03 am
Harris & Johnson had better get food tasters for the return series.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Peter on 05 January, 2014, 11:11:56 am
I should think that's a good idea for our lot, too.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: clifftaylor on 05 January, 2014, 01:35:17 pm
Having seen their acceptable foods list, I'm up for that job!
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: ferret on 07 January, 2014, 09:41:31 am
personally I think it's always a bad sign when coaches can't accept some of the blame or is this normal for South African cricketers, at least Gooch has stood up to be counted, Something has gone wrong somewhere and the coaches must take some of the blame, I think it all started when Andrew Strauss was kicked out instead of KP, that was the thin end of the wedge. It's not the first time this has been said but perhaps the team should have a look at what the women's team are doing, they seem to get it right most of the time unlike the blokes who are getting it wrong most of the time.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Peter on 07 January, 2014, 10:18:02 am
I think it quite possible that Andy Flower will go.  But you can see it from his point of view: when he tries to get another job, it's going to be with a considerably less high profile team, say Kenya or Todmorden Seconds.  When the most recent thing on your CV is a 5-0 thrashing, you're going to try and bluff it out in your present job, I would imagine.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Von Broad on 07 January, 2014, 09:15:47 pm
perhaps the team should have a look at what the women's team are doing

Speaking literally - following the blokes on an Ashes tour down actually! It's worth mentioning.

I follow the fortunes of the women's international football team, but I'm not so clued up on the cricket team,
except when they get a mention or are interviewed in person on TMS - particularly when they win their Ashes series, like they did last summer. See the parallel with the men :)

I see that the structure of the women's Ashes series is different from the mens [pretty sure they only play one Test Match], but it's still a veyr competitive series nonetheless.

I'll be taking an interest in what happens.

Their fortunes might be the fillip we all need right now :)
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: clifftaylor on 24 January, 2014, 11:02:30 am
Come on England!! You can do it!! Or not!! It's really difficult to say isn't it!!
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Jaded on 24 January, 2014, 11:15:39 am
We just won a match!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: hatler on 24 January, 2014, 11:17:03 am
Blimey.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: bobb on 24 January, 2014, 01:56:22 pm
Hoofuckingray. About sodding time...
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Wowbagger on 24 January, 2014, 02:09:36 pm
Does that mean that England have won the ashes back?
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: bobb on 24 January, 2014, 02:53:56 pm
Does that mean that England have won the ashes back?

We only need to win one more game with one ODI and three twenty20 games to go. Then we will have retained the ashes  :)

BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/25857570)
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: clifftaylor on 26 January, 2014, 01:04:58 pm
Come on England, you can....oh bollocks, I give up  ::-)
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Greenbank on 26 January, 2014, 01:46:44 pm
Bopara just isn't getting his eye in quick enough. 25 runs from 44 balls wasn't what we wanted at that point in the innings. He's not really at fault for his dismissal, it was a bit of a freaky one that.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: ferret on 26 January, 2014, 01:59:47 pm
apart from where his foot was or wasn't I thought the keeper had to be in control of the ball to claim a stumping, so bouncing off your beer gut does not count as being in control or does it ? ;)
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Greenbank on 26 January, 2014, 09:32:33 pm
apart from where his foot was or wasn't I thought the keeper had to be in control of the ball to claim a stumping, so bouncing off your beer gut does not count as being in control or does it ? ;)

Nope.

Quote from: http://www.rulesofcricket.co.uk/the_rules_of_cricket/the_rules_of_cricket_law_39.htm
Law 39 (Stumped)
1. Out Stumped
(a) The striker is out Stumped if
(i) he is out of his ground
and (ii) he is receiving a ball which is not a No ball
and (iii) he is not attempting a run
and (iv) his wicket is fairly put down by the wicket-keeper without the intervention of another member of the fielding side. Note Law 40.3 (Position of wicket-keeper).

(b) The striker is out Stumped if all the conditions of (a) above are satisfied, even though a decision of Run out would be justified.

2. Ball rebounding from wicket-keeper's person
(a) If the wicket is put down by the ball, it shall be regarded as having been put down by the wicket-keeper if the ball
(i) rebounds on to the stumps from any part of his person or equipment, other than a protective helmet
or (ii) has been kicked or thrown on to the stumps by the wicket-keeper.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Clare on 29 January, 2014, 07:16:04 am
Does that mean that England have won the ashes back?

We only need to win one more game with one ODI and three twenty20 games to go. Then we will have retained the ashes  :)

BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/25857570)


YEEEEESSSSSS

Go England, Go England!!


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/25924634


We don't need no steenking prima donna men.

 :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: andyoxon on 29 January, 2014, 11:05:10 pm
Very well done! 

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/72589000/jpg/_72589241_scoreboard_getty.jpg)


Empty grandstands were sad to see.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Jaded on 29 January, 2014, 11:15:03 pm
1) it is cricket in Australia
2) it is women cricket
3) they lost
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: clifftaylor on 31 January, 2014, 10:50:22 am
A wicket!! Australia now running scared (no they aren't - ed.)
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: clifftaylor on 31 January, 2014, 10:59:13 am
And another!! Here we go..... :smug:
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: clifftaylor on 31 January, 2014, 12:35:08 pm
Marvellous.  Is Jade actually a bloke's name??
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Von Broad on 31 January, 2014, 09:04:26 pm
That's great stuff from the women's team, really excellent, they could so easily have been affected by the dreadful outing from the blokes, but they proved themselves to be much more resilient than that  :thumbsup:
Congrats of a different kind are probably deserving of Andy Flowers (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/25988203) too. It's easy to forget the good times when things turn sour [eh? good times? what's he talking about?]
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: mattc on 01 February, 2014, 07:42:12 am
Marvellous.  Is Jade actually a bloke's name??
Probably not.

(The gender of member Jade D is unknown.)
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: clifftaylor on 02 February, 2014, 11:03:55 am
Just the 165 needed from 84 balls, then.......
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Steve GT on 12 February, 2014, 08:24:16 am
Today we see just how good the Aussies are or if England were just plain rubbish this winter. ;)
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Deano on 12 February, 2014, 11:01:20 pm
Seems to be following a familiar pattern - Aussies appear to be on the ropes, the opposition fail to press the advantage, and Aussie middle order batsmen steady the ship.

Should be a good series - it'll be interesting to see how South Africa manage without Kallis.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Deano on 14 February, 2014, 12:55:30 pm
Yes, it's definitely a familiar scenario. PDG face-saving innings from AB, too.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Peter on 16 February, 2014, 10:41:43 am
Well, I have to say that was a bit of a shock.  While the result in no way (to my mind) exonerates the appalling display of England over the festive season, it seems that this Australian side may indeed be the real deal.  Deeply depressing that Mitchell Johnson is doing so well: tattoos and cricket whites - totally unacceptable.  And he can bat, too.
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: bobb on 16 February, 2014, 10:58:17 am
.... tattoos and cricket whites - totally unacceptable.

Maybe that's why Pietersen was booted out  :P
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Peter on 16 February, 2014, 11:01:35 am
Ha - conflict of interest for me, there!
Title: Re: Ashes 2013-14
Post by: Steve GT on 24 February, 2014, 08:05:55 am
Johnson getting some of his own medicine! :thumbsup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv3xZC0ssVM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv3xZC0ssVM)