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Re: Base training
« Reply #1100 on: 07 November, 2018, 12:28:14 am »
there is noise and vibration even with the quiet trainers (neo etc) and the neighbours will definitely hear that. will they get annoyed about some noise every now and then?

Re: Base training
« Reply #1101 on: 07 November, 2018, 08:45:50 am »
I had a quick go on a Tacx Neo and was suprised at how loud it was. Certainly much louder than my Elite elastogel thingy (non-smart). The loudest part of my setup is changing gear.

rob

Re: Base training
« Reply #1102 on: 07 November, 2018, 09:12:55 am »
With the fan on facing up at me but on the tribars I'm finding that my arms block the airflow to my face.   I'm now dripping sweat on the splint that's holding my wrist in place so it's going to end up minging.   Little things, but at least I can train.

Re: Base training
« Reply #1103 on: 07 November, 2018, 09:22:39 am »
I did a VO2 workout this morning.  Was pretty solid, though now (even 2 hours later) I'm aware I've been breathing hard and my ribcage is feeling it!
https://www.trainerroad.com/career/duncanm23/rides/42990974-huffaker

I much prefer Sweet Spot Base 2 - it's got loads more interesting workouts, and it has stuff that goes above FTP. I find Sweet Spot Base 1 so dull...

With the fan on facing up at me but on the tribars I'm finding that my arms block the airflow to my face.   I'm now dripping sweat on the splint that's holding my wrist in place so it's going to end up minging.   Little things, but at least I can train.
Maybe it's worth putting an arm warmer on that arm? It won't affect your training, but it might mop up some of the sweat and make the splint a little more pleasant.

Re: Base training
« Reply #1104 on: 07 November, 2018, 09:41:48 am »
there is noise and vibration even with the quiet trainers (neo etc) and the neighbours will definitely hear that. will they get annoyed about some noise every now and then?

I'd rather not pay £x00 on a trainer and then find out the vibration/noise is too much.

Our kitchen is above theirs and they claim not to hear our dishwasher or washing-machine. Might have to see if someone locally has one I can borrow.
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Re: Base training
« Reply #1105 on: 07 November, 2018, 11:37:44 am »
I get loads of wheel spin on Mr Smith's Vortex- I can't do anything standing on it and find the lag on intervals really annoying. I'm going to treat myself to a direct drive, but am dithering as to which. The new Flux S and Flux 2 are out in a couple of weeks but I'm not sure if I want to beta test them. It's looking like the Direto will 'win'.
What about the outgoing Flux then? Available for £450 and all the issues they had with the early models seem to be long since resolved.

Re: Base training
« Reply #1106 on: 07 November, 2018, 12:06:28 pm »
I get loads of wheel spin on Mr Smith's Vortex- I can't do anything standing on it and find the lag on intervals really annoying. I'm going to treat myself to a direct drive, but am dithering as to which. The new Flux S and Flux 2 are out in a couple of weeks but I'm not sure if I want to beta test them. It's looking like the Direto will 'win'.
What about the outgoing Flux then? Available for £450 and all the issues they had with the early models seem to be long since resolved.
I couldn't see anywhere that actually had stock?

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Re: Base training
« Reply #1107 on: 07 November, 2018, 12:37:38 pm »
With the fan on facing up at me but on the tribars I'm finding that my arms block the airflow to my face.   I'm now dripping sweat on the splint that's holding my wrist in place so it's going to end up minging.   Little things, but at least I can train.

when i was training with a cast on my wrist/hand I would pour water on the shoulder and allow it to run off at the elbow to reduce "sweat contamination", plus have the fan on that side.

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Re: Base training
« Reply #1108 on: 07 November, 2018, 12:43:37 pm »
I get loads of wheel spin on Mr Smith's Vortex- I can't do anything standing on it and find the lag on intervals really annoying. I'm going to treat myself to a direct drive, but am dithering as to which. The new Flux S and Flux 2 are out in a couple of weeks but I'm not sure if I want to beta test them. It's looking like the Direto will 'win'.

I tried out a Direto at an open evening at an LBS. It had a good feel, seemed to do the job.

I have had a Direto for a year now, very pleased with it. According to DC Rainmaker though, the new Wahoo Kickr Core is well worth a look, cheap(ish) and silent...https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2018/11/trainer-buyers-recommendations-guide.html

Re: Base training
« Reply #1109 on: 08 November, 2018, 12:37:17 am »
I get loads of wheel spin on Mr Smith's Vortex- I can't do anything standing on it and find the lag on intervals really annoying. I'm going to treat myself to a direct drive, but am dithering as to which. The new Flux S and Flux 2 are out in a couple of weeks but I'm not sure if I want to beta test them. It's looking like the Direto will 'win'.
What about the outgoing Flux then? Available for £450 and all the issues they had with the early models seem to be long since resolved.
I couldn't see anywhere that actually had stock?
I’ve just checked and Halfords have stock
https://www.halfords.com/cycling/turbo-trainers/trainers/tacx-flux-smart-trainer

Re: Base training
« Reply #1110 on: 08 November, 2018, 10:59:33 am »
I get loads of wheel spin on Mr Smith's Vortex- I can't do anything standing on it and find the lag on intervals really annoying. I'm going to treat myself to a direct drive, but am dithering as to which. The new Flux S and Flux 2 are out in a couple of weeks but I'm not sure if I want to beta test them. It's looking like the Direto will 'win'.
What about the outgoing Flux then? Available for £450 and all the issues they had with the early models seem to be long since resolved.
I couldn't see anywhere that actually had stock?
I’ve just checked and Halfords have stock
https://www.halfords.com/cycling/turbo-trainers/trainers/tacx-flux-smart-trainer

Halfords' idea of 'in stock' doesn't always correlate with mine- in that it can be imaginary. I don't trust this, given that no other UK retailer has any.

Re: Base training
« Reply #1111 on: 09 November, 2018, 02:04:50 pm »
I love it when I have a day off and can ride at a sane time of the day. :)
Happy with this one - while it gives me >19 minutes at threshold and the rest of the half hours worth of intervals at sweet spot, it was right at the top end of sweet spot for the most part.
https://www.trainerroad.com/career/duncanm23/rides/43172992-donner

Re: Base training
« Reply #1112 on: 11 November, 2018, 05:42:43 pm »
Finally back on the straight and narrow - I completed 3 rides this week properly for the first time in ages. 45 minute of Tempo/SweetSpot/Threshold
https://www.trainerroad.com/career/duncanm23/rides/43315939-clark

I still don't like sweet spot.

rob

Re: Base training
« Reply #1113 on: 11 November, 2018, 07:34:36 pm »
1st week done. No road work but just under 10hrs on the turbo.

I can work properly with my problem wrist resting on the extension.   I do have a bit of a worry that the lack of road miles might cause me an issue in the Spring so I will need to revisit my goals in the New Year.

zigzag

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Re: Base training
« Reply #1114 on: 11 November, 2018, 07:40:41 pm »
after spending hour and a half in tt position and looking up at the screen i've noticed four deep horizontal wrinkles on my forehead - looked instantly ten years older! :D if i keep doing those they'll become permanent. hmm.

Re: Base training
« Reply #1115 on: 11 November, 2018, 07:47:49 pm »
after spending hour and a half in tt position and looking up at the screen i've noticed four deep horizontal wrinkles on my forehead - looked instantly ten years older! :D if i keep doing those they'll become permanent. hmm.

Put the screen on the floor...

Re: Base training
« Reply #1116 on: 12 November, 2018, 12:54:31 pm »
I had a quick go on a Tacx Neo and was suprised at how loud it was. Certainly much louder than my Elite elastogel thingy (non-smart). The loudest part of my setup is changing gear.

Maybe a dodgy one? The FB neo forum is full of people with problems. Mine has done 18,000km on Zwift, and other than being a bit grimy, it's perfect. The only noise is from changing gears, and I don't get vibration through the floor.

Re: Base training
« Reply #1117 on: 12 November, 2018, 04:24:06 pm »
I had a quick go on a Tacx Neo and was suprised at how loud it was. Certainly much louder than my Elite elastogel thingy (non-smart). The loudest part of my setup is changing gear.

Maybe a dodgy one? The FB neo forum is full of people with problems. Mine has done 18,000km on Zwift, and other than being a bit grimy, it's perfect. The only noise is from changing gears, and I don't get vibration through the floor.

Ditto. I can hear television at the same volume as when not pedalling.

Re: Base training
« Reply #1118 on: 12 November, 2018, 04:37:16 pm »
I had a quick go on a Tacx Neo and was suprised at how loud it was. Certainly much louder than my Elite elastogel thingy (non-smart). The loudest part of my setup is changing gear.

Maybe a dodgy one? The FB neo forum is full of people with problems. Mine has done 18,000km on Zwift, and other than being a bit grimy, it's perfect. The only noise is from changing gears, and I don't get vibration through the floor.

Ditto. I can hear television at the same volume as when not pedalling.

Mine's quiet too but that might be because I never use the poor thing. I'm in a second floor flat (converted house, wooden floors, so not exactly soundproof) and it's certainly quieter than the washing machine.

Re: Base training
« Reply #1119 on: 13 November, 2018, 09:02:17 am »
Early morning VO2 went surprisingly well. I had to skip some of the rest periods because I was getting cold (and also because I was running out of time). I still completed the work intervals though. :)
https://www.trainerroad.com/career/duncanm23/rides/43431993-mills
Legs are sore now though!

Re: Base training
« Reply #1120 on: 13 November, 2018, 10:51:50 pm »
So, following my layoff xeplained elsewhere, I've done two rides on the turbo.

Sat evening I did half an hour at an average of 207 watts and tonight just over an hour at 200 watts. Both riding the singlespeed on my Tacx Bushido Smart and using the Tacx software and the flat free ride. The climb at the end was hard - I was reduced to 38rpm and still maing 220 odd watts, but it was hard to stop the wheel slipping. The ride is here

https://www.strava.com/activities/1963174504

Once I've got myself back to a regular habit, I think I'll mix and match TR and the Tacx videos. I'm also planning on swapping the Bushido for a direct drive trainer in a few weeks (if anyone wants a Bushido?)

It's nice to be riding again and, given how much harder I can work on the turbo, it may get a fair bit of use as I try to build fitness and power again. Riding outside I just don't sustain the same sort of heart rate I get running.The turbo is a bit closer.

FWIW, I haven't done an FTP test, but Garmin currently estimates that at between 230 and 240 watts and my VO2 max at 45 (down by over 10% in 3 months). It'll be interesting to see if I can improve the numbers by the spring.

Mike


Re: Base training
« Reply #1121 on: 13 November, 2018, 11:18:07 pm »
Actually, the Bushido may be available sooner if Tacx do what they've promised on shipping

Re: Base training
« Reply #1122 on: 14 November, 2018, 01:32:29 pm »
Actually, the Bushido may be available sooner if Tacx do what they've promised on shipping
I PMed you about this.

Your numbers sound good for someone who's had such a rough year and has a bad knee.  :thumbsup:

Re: Base training
« Reply #1123 on: 15 November, 2018, 09:57:37 am »
Woke up with my legs (primarily my quads) still feeling a bit sore from Tuesday, but wanted to keep the consistency so did the workout anyway.  I skipped part of the last interval as my right knee started hurting - I think it was probably just tiredness meaning my VMO wasn't firing as well. Massively tight hamstrings now though.
I've done Weds-Fri-Sun 3 weeks in a row and now I'm back on Tues-Thurs-Sat. If I can keep this up for 2 more weeks then I can start December with a rest week and hopefully see another FTP rise before I start doing some of the build plans.

https://www.trainerroad.com/career/duncanm23/rides/43591061-jepson

Re: Base training
« Reply #1124 on: 15 November, 2018, 03:16:55 pm »
Slowly dragging myself back up to 50CTL - at 45.7 today. I'm managing to average ~380TSS a week, on roughly 5 1/2 hours a week of exercise, split pretty equally between short, horrible stuff on Zwift, and a mix of short, horrible runs, and 1 lovely longer run. Did a hilly trail run of 16.4km at 5:32 pace this morning, not thinking about speed, and found the last time I ran it 6 weeks ago, I was at 5.45 pace, so it seems to be working. Weight is down to 74.2 (bmi 20.8 ). Taking my best 20m from the last 5 weeks (235w - not done an FTP test), I'm at 3.01 w/kg. Feels like I'm making progress, despite work being horrific.

I got a place on the Gindleford Gallop (infamously muddy 33km trail run) last night. Means I need to up my time running on trails ready for March.