Bryan Chapman 600km BRM + others | 17/18/19th May 2024 | Chepstow

[Ian H]

Still had a nice time, though?

I wasn't grumpy or miserable for a substantial portion of the event.  Of course, I didn't have you to complain to.

[mattc]

Gospel Pass you say?

We need a "Scenic" option again!

[Hot Flatus]

No we don't. What we need is a non-scenic version

[Ajax Bay]

Gospel Pass you say?
We need a "Scenic" option again!

Besides the Pendle/Tan Hill 600 no UK calendar 600 has the 8000m of climbing (per Openrunner) needed for ACP's revised 10000 award (replacing an SR600). BCM is the nearest one and heading north over Gospel Pass (info at Llanthony, control at Drovers) would come close to achieving that 8000m. Unrealistic to ask riders to go that way going south after 500km imho. The other scenic 600 not run for a few years but maybe in 2024 is the Kernow and SW 600: watch this space (well, another thread anyway).

[Wycombewheeler]

Gospel Pass you say?
We need a "Scenic" option again!

Besides the Tan Hill 600 no UK calendar 600 has the 8000m of climbing (per Openrunner) needed for ACP's revised 10000 award (replacing an SR600). BCM is the nearest one and heading north over Gospel Pass (info at Llanthony, control at Drovers) would come close to achieving that 8000m. Unrealistic to ask riders to go that way going south after 500km imho. The other scenic 600 not run for a few years but maybe in 2024 is the Kernow and SW 600: watch this space (well, another thread anyway).

where do ACP say it needs to be assessed per openrunnner? Openrunner was Sophie Matters preference, but ACP have shown they want to do things their own way.

According to this page https://www.audax-club-parisien.com/en/our-organizations/brm-world/#calendar, and setting filter to R10000 qualifying then BCM is adequate.

[Tom]

Gospel Pass you say?
We need a "Scenic" option again!

Besides the Pendle/Tan Hill 600 no UK calendar 600 has the 8000m of climbing (per Openrunner) needed for ACP's revised 10000 award (replacing an SR600). BCM is the nearest one and heading north over Gospel Pass (info at Llanthony, control at Drovers) would come close to achieving that 8000m. Unrealistic to ask riders to go that way going south after 500km imho. The other scenic 600 not run for a few years but maybe in 2024 is the Kernow and SW 600: watch this space (well, another thread anyway).

According to the organisers (and the auk website) this year's BCM had 8450m climbing?

Edit - sorry, just seen the openrunner bit. What does that measure the climbing to be?

[Wycombewheeler]

normally openrunner counts lower, I can't recreate the route on open runner because of a ridiculous 25 auto tracking points limit.

[willpom gwraudax]

I was under the impression that the BCM600 wasn't going to count towards the R10000 as I couldn't share the originally planned route as it sub 8000m on RWGPS but obviously ~8500m on the AUK AAA checker. Due to landmass upheaval (or a RWGPS geoid update) it now registers as +8000m on RWGPS. OpenRunner was about 7200m.

I'm assuming as it is registering in the ACP filter then it does actually qualify.

[Wycombewheeler]

I'm going to assume that as the ACP calendar filter "R10000 qualifying" shows up this as one of two acceptable UK rides, then all is good, I will submit my application form, and feel absolutely no guilt. Especially since I had already met all the requirements last season, but was denied by a combination of moving goalposts and LEL homogulation numbers coming after the end of October.

https://www.audax-club-parisien.com/en/our-organizations/brm-world/#calendar  (just had a heart attack that someone had removed it in response to this discussion, before remembering to adjust the start date into the past)

It seems to me that 8,000m can be very different on smooth roads at sensible gradients (as typically found in Europe) than it is on steep climbs and descents and dubious surfaces as typically found in the UK.

[mattc]

No we don't. What we need is a non-scenic version

 

[Ajax Bay]

It seems to me that 8,000m can be very different on smooth roads at sensible gradients (as typically found in Europe) than it is on steep climbs and descents and dubious surfaces as typically found in the UK.

Seemed to me that this and previous years' Bryan Chapman Memorial almost exclusively followed "smooth roads at sensible gradients" (excluding the two pulls up to King's and down again, and maybe the roller coaster to Staylittle).
For what is, effectively, an international standard, it makes sense to have one route/climb algorithm used to determine how scenic a ride is. Has ACP gripped this yet?

[Ivan]

My understanding from speaking to the AUK chair (& ACP rep) over breakfast at the AGM is that ACP have tentatively agreed to accept our overall climbing amount for the purposes of the R10000 award, hence BCMs likely inclusion.

As AAA assessments (in Great Britain at least) use a more accurate data source based off OS physical terrain measurements, as opposed to the generally available satellite-sensed elevation models used globally, it's tricky to reconcile this into a single, global algorithm, not least because seemingly every routing service (RwGPS, Komoot, Strava, OpenRunner, Garmin) all produce differing results from the same sources. There's probably a PhD's worth of research to be done here if anyone is looking for GIS doctorate ideas.

[willpom gwraudax]

My understanding from speaking to the AUK chair (& ACP rep) over breakfast at the AGM is that ACP have tentatively agreed to accept our overall climbing amount for the purposes of the R10000 award, hence BCMs likely inclusion.

 

I know for RM your AUK AAA tool was accepted for the amount of climb.

[mattc]

So who's had their card back in the post?
 

 

[Wycombewheeler]

So who's had their card back in the post?
 

 

an innovative approach. I approve.

[αdαmsκι]

an innovative approach. I approve.

I didn't ride the BCM but am curious what this "innovative approach". Please tell me more

[thing1]

No spoilers please! I'm currently away so won't get to see mine until Monday

[αdαmsκι]

At Wycombewheeler just needs to include it in a spoiler tag 

[mattc]

No spoilers please! I'm currently away so won't get to see mine until Monday

Even more exciting than waiting for Arrivée!

[Wycombewheeler]

At Wycombewheeler just needs to include it in a spoiler tag 

Although I have messaged Adamski, others may be interested

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stamp was affixed directly to the brevet card, and name and address already filled in on the back was then used by royal mail to deliver. No wasted envelopes. no printing of labels or writing addresses for the organiser. Nothing for me to recycle.

[willpom gwraudax]

At Wycombewheeler just needs to include it in a spoiler tag 

Although I have messaged Adamski, others may be interested

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stamp was affixed directly to the brevet card, and name and address already filled in on the back was then used by royal mail to deliver. No wasted envelopes. no printing of labels or writing addresses for the organiser. Nothing for me to recycle.

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And the new stamps with barcode allow for the barcode to be wrapped around the card to hold it shut. I checked this with my local PO and my postie, then test sent one to myself.

[postie]

Yes royal mail is amazing 

[Ian H]

Yes royal mail is amazing 

I gather it is in some parts of Portsmouth.

[thing1]

Fantastic! Collected mine last night, spoiler free 😁

[ransos]

Gospel Pass you say?

We need a "Scenic" option again!

You might want to look at Will's plan for 2024: https://www.pedalution.co.uk/events/bryan-chapman-memorial-600/