Author Topic: How long before starting Audax?  (Read 360 times)

DaT

How long before starting Audax?
« on: April 16, 2018, 05:16:16 pm »
I've done up to 400k on uprights but over the last week I've been riding this. https://i.redd.it/tjj1pd62ilr01.jpg
So far I have rode around 80 miles on 20 mile a day commutes and plan on doing 40/50 miles on Saturday. I'm wondering if I should enter this 200k on the 6th http://audaxkernow.co.uk/2018/01/lizard-and-the-camel-3/ 10% is on the Camel trail. I could always do the 100k if I don't feel up to the 200k on the day.

I'm finding the not only more comfortable, but also more enjoyable than DF, just need to improve my speed as I'm just over 10% slower at the moment.

ElyDave

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Re: How long before starting Audax?
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2018, 06:19:40 pm »
Just go for it, what's the worst that could happen.

I managed a 112km at the weekend on my new Cruzbike after 400km on it.  At least you can't fall off a trike  :)
“Procrastination is the thief of time, collar him.” –Charles Dickens

Re: How long before starting Audax?
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2018, 06:28:46 pm »
I rode a 200, three weeks after getting my first (and current) recumbent. I had ridden just over 200km on it, when I did the 200km audax to double the distance. Go for it.

Kim

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Re: How long before starting Audax?
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2018, 06:34:55 pm »
10% slower is about what you'd expect for a tricycle compared to a bicycle, all else[1] being equal.  A recumbent trike gains a bit aerodynamically over an upwrong bike, so it's not quite as bad as an up-even-wronger trike.

I'd suggest getting a 100km ride under your belt before attempting a 200, but as ElyDave says, what's the worst that can happen?  You're clearly no stranger to endurance riding, just bear in mind that you're likely to be working a little bit harder than you're used to.


[1] It's mostly in the tyres.
I do find anything involving ball bearings oddly satisfying

DaT

Re: How long before starting Audax?
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2018, 06:40:42 pm »
I'll just go for it and report back in a few weeks. As you guys say, what's the worse that can happen?

Talking about tyres, the current ones are old and a bit cracked from storage while flat. I don't get punctures often maybe one every two years (famous last words) so I always just get fast tyres with little protection. Looking around, kojaks seem the best that are available in both 406 and 559, I use them on my AM Moulton (17") but this is primarily because I have no other choice. Any other recommendations?

Kim

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Re: How long before starting Audax?
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2018, 07:03:15 pm »
Talking about tyres, the current ones are old and a bit cracked from storage while flat. I don't get punctures often maybe one every two years (famous last words)

You'll probably get slightly more now you have three wheeltracks.  A lot of the time one wheel tends to end up in the skog.  On the other hand, two of the wheels are dead easy to fix punctures on...
I do find anything involving ball bearings oddly satisfying

DaT

Re: How long before starting Audax?
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2018, 07:28:00 pm »
Talking about tyres, the current ones are old and a bit cracked from storage while flat. I don't get punctures often maybe one every two years (famous last words)

You'll probably get slightly more now you have three wheeltracks.  A lot of the time one wheel tends to end up in the skog.  On the other hand, two of the wheels are dead easy to fix punctures on...
I did ride an upright trike for a few months, I recall one puncture on it. Didn't keep it for long though, it kept trying to kill me...

Kim

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Re: How long before starting Audax?
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2018, 08:27:47 pm »
I did ride an upright trike for a few months, I recall one puncture on it. Didn't keep it for long though, it kept trying to kill me...

It never ceases to amaze me that I can go from an USS recumbent bike to a USS recumbent trike without a thought, but upright trikes are the cycling equivalent of riding a horse alongside a hedge full of really exotic plastic bags.
I do find anything involving ball bearings oddly satisfying

LittleWheelsandBig

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Re: How long before starting Audax?
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2018, 08:44:44 pm »
Actually the problem is switching off the rider's own conditioned reflexes, not the trike's fault. Hence why tiny kids can hop on a trike for the first time and ride away; no conditioned reflexes.
Wheel meet again, don't know where, don't know when...

Kim

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Re: How long before starting Audax?
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2018, 10:07:00 pm »
Actually the problem is switching off the rider's own conditioned reflexes, not the trike's fault. Hence why tiny kids can hop on a trike for the first time and ride away; no conditioned reflexes.

My point exactly.
I do find anything involving ball bearings oddly satisfying

Re: How long before starting Audax?
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2018, 10:19:55 am »
A cyclist of my acquaintance, Trikey Dave, reckons his knupwright trike is 15% slower than a knupwright bike on a long ride. It might be that the aero advantage of a supinacious position lessen this difference. The only exception is rush hour town traffic, when he finds the trike can actually be quicker due to the ability to turn through virtually any angle at virtually zero speed; the overall width is barely wider than his elbows, so no problem from the twin tracks. Again, it could be that tadpoles don't enjoy this advantage due to greater length. I'm not sure if the track is wider. But this is a situation you're unlikely to encounter on an audax anyway! And the problem he says bicyclists always have when moving to a delta trike is running over their own feet!
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Kim

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Re: How long before starting Audax?
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2018, 12:50:11 pm »
A cyclist of my acquaintance, Trikey Dave, reckons his knupwright trike is 15% slower than a knupwright bike on a long ride. It might be that the aero advantage of a supinacious position lessen this difference. The only exception is rush hour town traffic, when he finds the trike can actually be quicker due to the ability to turn through virtually any angle at virtually zero speed; the overall width is barely wider than his elbows, so no problem from the twin tracks. Again, it could be that tadpoles don't enjoy this advantage due to greater length.

Not so much the length, as the limited steering lock.  A typical ICE style USS arrangement is limited by when the handlebars hit either the seat, your hips or sometimes the wheels[1], and is affected by the subtleties of your ergonomic setup; barakta has a wider turning circle in an anticlockwise direction due to her handlebars being positioned for different length arms.  Upright trikes don't have this problem, and recumbent deltas - while very long - generally do a pretty good job of tight turns[2].

Of course, without a periscope, this is academic in traffic.  It's mostly about the Silly Sustrans Gates.


[1] Happens on USS bicycles too, but a bicycle doesn't actually need very much steering travel.
[2] Anyone who hasn't had the opportunity to hoon around a car park on a Kettwiesel is missing out.
I do find anything involving ball bearings oddly satisfying

Re: How long before starting Audax?
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2018, 06:35:07 pm »
My EZ3 delta recumbent trike has a right side drivewheel which allows a very tight turn to the right but it will turn in it's own length to the left  :)

It is also the most tame upright trike I have ever ridden ! .
the slower you go the more you see

Re: How long before starting Audax?
« Reply #13 on: Yesterday at 07:33:47 am »
I've done up to 400k on uprights but over the last week I've been riding this. https://i.redd.it/tjj1pd62ilr01.jpg
So far I have rode around 80 miles on 20 mile a day commutes and plan on doing 40/50 miles on Saturday. I'm wondering if I should enter this 200k on the 6th http://audaxkernow.co.uk/2018/01/lizard-and-the-camel-3/ 10% is on the Camel trail. I could always do the 100k if I don't feel up to the 200k on the day.

I'm finding the not only more comfortable, but also more enjoyable than DF, just need to improve my speed as I'm just over 10% slower at the moment.

Glad you like it. Removing the front mudguards will improve aerodynamics and drop the weight a bit making the trike noticeably faster, I don't have mudguards on my Catrike and don't find it a problem - 99% of spray still misses and the other 1% might get on my elbows, not a big deal.

Re: How long before starting Audax?
« Reply #14 on: Yesterday at 07:46:31 am »
I'll just go for it and report back in a few weeks. As you guys say, what's the worse that can happen?

Talking about tyres, the current ones are old and a bit cracked from storage while flat. I don't get punctures often maybe one every two years (famous last words) so I always just get fast tyres with little protection. Looking around, kojaks seem the best that are available in both 406 and 559, I use them on my AM Moulton (17") but this is primarily because I have no other choice. Any other recommendations?

A 32mm Panaracer Pasela PT is my favourite fast tyre at the moment. Have them on the Catrike and the RANS. Sadly not available as 406mm. Conti GP 28-406 was the best speed/comfort compromise but no longer available. Folding Duranos are light and quick but not as comfortable. Kojaks are wider and more comfortable but not as quick. I have a pair of boxed unused folding 28-406 Duranos which I'd part with for £30 if you are interested.