Yet Another Cycling Forum
Off Topic => The Pub => Topic started by: Charlotte on 23 March, 2009, 09:30:34 am
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I sold a laptop yesterday. It went for £180 plus £15 p&p.
eBay charged me £0.35p to list it (it would have been much more, but I started it at 99p) and £17.99 "final value fee". Then Paypal (also eBay) charged me £6.83 to receive the payment. That's £25.17 fees in all. Given that I don't overcharge for postage, I'm actually getting £154.83 for my laptop. Less if I've screwed up on postage.
They're charging me 14% and it's now obligatory to offer Paypal as a method of receiving payment, so you can't avoid it.
After the sale is concluded, both parties are invited to leave feedback for each other, but the seller is now no longer able to leave negative feedback for buyers who screw them about. Only buyers can leave negative feedback. They can also comment on communication, description, postal costs etc., with a star rating that's not visible to the seller.
eBay have got too greedy. Theirs is the ultimate e-business model - they buy nothing, they sell nothing and they ship nothing. Yet they rake it in. I wouldn't mind so much, but when a buyer refuses to pay (the last one swears blind he only had the item in his watchlist and never placed a bid, so could I please "cancel the transaction?") I can't do anything about it. Yet he can leave me shitty feedback!
Yeah, they have a dispute resolution process, but it's awful. I've had some fees refunded, but it's a pain in the neck and I'd much rather just go back to the way it used to be where the buyer and the seller left each other feedback on an equal footing. There's no trust left any more.
But that's not all. When I'm after buying something, I have to wade through huge numbers of commercial offerings to get to the few genuine private sellers who actually have stuff that I might want to buy. eBay's chock full of fraudsters, scam-merchants and bullshit artists and unless you're very clued up at recognising them, you're going to get ripped off.
Have eBay got too big for their boots?
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Ebay don't provide nothing. They provide a service that connects you with potential buyers and advertises your goods. Exactly the same as any other auction house. It costs a huge amount of money to run all those web servers and backend databases. However you may have a point about there fees being too high.
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I'm completely fed up with it too. I sold a lens on there last month, the buyer pulled out a couple of days after the close saying he now couldnt afford it. Wanker.
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Ebay used to feel like a community venture in the early days, it was fun to buy and sell on there. Now it feels like a commercial venture, still useful at times but not fun any more. You can still pick up bargains of course but now it seems like hard work and as for selling, I can't be bothered with it. Shame really but I suppose that it the natural cycle of something that is as successful as Ebay has been.
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Interesting, though. Local newspapers are on the verge of oblivion because their classified advertising has been all but wiped out by tinternet. If ebay moves away from its original premise as a forum for private individuals selling second hand stuff, to becoming an online warehouse sale of unsold stock for commercial sellers (ebay itself has indicated that this is its strategy - but can't remember where I read that) then where do the classified ads go?
I do agree that using ebay to find a bargain is hard work these days. Where's their competition going to come from? Gumtree as an alternative is utter tripe.
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I prefer semi private deals now. Almost everything I've sold recently has either been through here or at the forum at work.
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Interesting, though. Local newspapers are on the verge of oblivion because their classified advertising has been all but wiped out by tinternet. If ebay moves away from its original premise as a forum for private individuals selling second hand stuff, to becoming an online warehouse sale of unsold stock for commercial sellers (ebay itself has indicated that this is its strategy - but can't remember where I read that) then where do the classified ads go?
I do agree that using ebay to find a bargain is hard work these days. Where's their competition going to come from? Gumtree as an alternative is utter tripe.
Note the link to Gumtree at the bottom of the main eBay page, just after Skype and PayPal :-\
Any guesses as to who owns Gumtree?
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Any guesses as to who owns Gumtree?
Anti-competitive? Shurly not. (http://news.zdnet.co.uk/internet/0,1000000097,39199141,00.htm)
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Not tried them yet, but there are alternatives, for general (http://uk.ebid.net/) and also specialist (http://www.specialistauctions.com/) stuff. Specialist Auctions have been moving to pick up the knifemaking traders and collectors since ebay hit the 'ban' button, and I noticed that at least one seller I know from ebay has an account on eBid. eBid's model seems to be based on a 3% final value fee for casual sellers, or a fixed yearly fee for those who take their business there. Specialist Auctions fee seems to be 3% of final value too.
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We sold the car on eBay, got considerably more than we reckoned we would have elsewhere (the car was worth about £500, and had a dodgy head gasket costing £450 to repair professionally plus potential holes in the radiator, and we didn't have the time, tools or inclination to repair it ourselves. In the end, it sold for a final price of £412). The person collected it and paid in cash so we didn't have to worry about paypal fees, and the eBay fee structure for second-hand cars is quite straightforward.
But I'm finding eBay less good for buying other things - it's all private shops using it as another outlet, charging exactly the same as they do in their online shop.
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craigslist is getting a lot of traction in some parts of the world as a classified ad-style marketplace.
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eBay have got too greedy. Theirs is the ultimate e-business model - they buy nothing, they sell nothing and they ship nothing. Yet they rake it in. <snip>
I sold some books at auction earlier this year. The auctioneers take commission from both buyer and seller in relation to the "hammer price" (what the cove with gavel says "gone" to). Buyer pays {hammer price + y%}; seller gets {hammer price - x%}; auction house gets {x+y% of hammer price} - let's say around a third, consideradbly more than the traditional shilling-in-the-guinea.
So in one sense the e-bay business model uisn't new. A good auction house will do more than passively host your stuff. Whether x+y% is worth it is another matter.
Have eBay got too big for their boots?
Quite possibly ...
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I can live with the fees, but it really pisses me off that sellers can't leave -ve feedback for buyers, no matter how much they piss us around.
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I have a love/hate relationship with eBay. I don't like the size of the fees or the way the auctions operate (they're not proper auctions; if they kept extending the auction until 15 minutes after the last bid, maybe, otherwise you might as well just snipe all the time). On the other hand, stuff normally sells on there and they have 99.99% of potential UK auction buyers, which is unlikely to change anytime soon. I understand that in some countries Yahoo! got in there first and eBay doesn't get a look in.
It's brilliant as a buyer for NOS or s/h stuff- where would I have found obscure Sturmey-Archer hubs or Benotto handlebar tape 10 years ago? You do need a well-attuned bullshit detector though, especially if you want to buy a new mobile phone (which I have done three times, all successful).
I suppose it's the Ryanair business model - you really, really have to alienate your customers if they're going to leave. Mostly they just grumble and stick with it.
Money Central - Times Online - WBLG: Twenty reasons never to fly Ryanair (http://timesbusiness.typepad.com/money_weblog/2009/03/20-reasons-not-to-fly-ryanair.html)
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I'm not happy with the Final Value Value going up to 10% and with no limit, and I'm not happy with the PayPal fees. However, I do still find eBay extremely useful for selling as well as buying on a regular basis. Remember that your fees effectively pay for a world-wide advert as well as a very convenient service.
Cheque and postal order are still allowable methods for many categories and listing lengths. It's only certain ones that are PayPal only - supposedly for security reasons. Hardly any of my buyers ever opt for anything other than PayPal anyway when I give them the choice.
On balance, I'm pleased that sellers cannot leave negative feedback for buyers. It has stopped tit-for-tat feedback from professionally bad sellers - a fundamental nasty flaw of the previous system that was very commonly a problem.
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Tis the reason I stopped selling stuff there. Occasionally buy the odd thing. They do take the piss.
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You've missed out the very worst aspect of Ebay selling, having to queue up in the Post Office.
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Come come.
With out eBay, where would I submit pictures of highly polished brass kettles and dining room tables below full length mirrors...
Hmmmmmm?
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And another thing - they now cap P&P for categories.
Just try to list a bulky magazine collection - choose "magazines" and it says the most I can charge is £2.75, bit tricky given all 75 issues weigh 6KG.
Dig around and find another category for "collections", use their P&P estimator and it comes out with a minimum of £11.40, but the most I can charge is £7.00.
Not happy, I know some people were using high P&P charges to avoid fees, but these were pretty easy to spot.
Sigh.
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Had a buyer send me three semi-literate messages in quick succession after buying and paying for a fork, of which this is the longest:
Cancel you have not dispachedyet if you look at the time pressing buttons in bed at 2 in the morning sleeping on my phone,i have no use for this order whatsoever please refund immediately
So, in his sleep, he pressed "buy it now", then "pay now", then "make payment"?
That's the most BS joybidder excuse I've had since, "This is <name>'s wife. He had a heart attack on the day the auction ended so won't be riding again."
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Still pished?
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I sold a laptop yesterday. It went for £180 plus £15 p&p.
eBay charged me £0.35p to list it (it would have been much more, but I started it at 99p) and £17.99 "final value fee". Then Paypal (also eBay) charged me £6.83 to receive the payment. That's £25.17 fees in all. Given that I don't overcharge for postage, I'm actually getting £154.83 for my laptop. Less if I've screwed up on postage.
I think when the bill comes in at the end of the month you'll find there's 10% charge on the P&P as well. I only list when there's offers now. I sold a bunch of stuff/tqt in one month at the start of lockdown, I'm now getting 5% offers come through but I shall hold out for the £1 all in offers.
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I sold a laptop yesterday. It went for £180 plus £15 p&p.
eBay charged me £0.35p to list it (it would have been much more, but I started it at 99p) and £17.99 "final value fee". Then Paypal (also eBay) charged me £6.83 to receive the payment. That's £25.17 fees in all. Given that I don't overcharge for postage, I'm actually getting £154.83 for my laptop. Less if I've screwed up on postage.
I think when the bill comes in at the end of the month you'll find there's 10% charge on the P&P as well. I only list when there's offers now. I sold a bunch of stuff/tqt in one month at the start of lockdown, I'm now getting 5% offers come through but I shall hold out for the £1 all in offers.
Given that the original post was 11 years ago, I'd imagine the bill arrived quite some time ago. ;)
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D'oh! :facepalm:
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;D
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Some high quality thread necromancy here. Nicely done!
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eBay is the undead. Nothing can kill it, not even coronavirus.
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IME, the seller will get about 80% of the actual price (item price + P&P) paid by the buyer. It varies a bit depending on the postage, if the postage is high compared with the item price, then it can go down even 50%.
Eg, I sold an item for £5, P&P was £4, so the buyer paid £9, but I only got about £4.
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This week's experience: won some new PD-6800 SPD-SL pedals for £47 (!) and paid instantly.
Next day seller sends a brusque message "your payment is short. Please pay the postage."
I send him the PayPal receipt. He says he's only had £48.68, not £50.70.
I ask if he knows about PayPal fees.
It goes quiet for a bit.
He messages saying he knows about the fees but they've never done it that way before ??? Also says he will post them now and I am very lucky.
They turn up today. They are fine, but he charged me for first class and sent them second class. What a cockwomble.
Ultimately, he's pissed off because he expected £100, I suppose. Well, 9.30 on a Sunday morning is not the optimum time to end an auction :facepalm:
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Selling a shopper bike that Mrs A no longer uses.
A bit of a bidding war pushes the price up, two bidders, 18 bids.
Get a message from one bidder asking me to cancel because they had a fall..
Pretty much means the bidding gets back to the very low starting price and now there are just a few hours to go! Cancelled bids, not a good look.
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Message from joybidder today: "Please cancel all my bids thank you I’ve already bought one".
There isn't much you can do except cancel the bids and block them so they can never bid on your auctions again. Ebay rules don't allow scatterbidding but, if you force them to go through with it, there goes your 100% feedback.
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I've noticed an increasing trend for items to be pulled early. Either they're listed for more elsewhere or deals are being done to avoid eBay fees. This has always gone on but, on items with bids in place, it is fucking rude.
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It could be the effect of FB Marketplace.
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Told my bidder I was not prepared to cancel. It was fine, they didn't win and I got a good price; it was a nice quality machine despite being a bit last century..
Most of my ebay purchases are BIN these days.
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Most of my ebay purchases are BIN these days.
I've got a handful of vintage cameras in 'spares or repair' condition that I must get around to selling - and I'm certainly not messing with auctions. It's too much aggravation these days.
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If I have an offer declined on an auction, I get a little satisfaction from placing a bid for less than the offer.
E.g. new pair of Ultegra pedals: offer of £70 declined, bid £69, won for £43 ;D
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Dear fucking ebay. Will you please bastard well cease with the annoying show-&-shuffle search results. You show me exactly what I want then shuffle the results 0.5 seconds later with the perfect match nowhere to be seen. Pack it the fuck in.
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I bought these a couple of weeks ago.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233903110397
They are as rough as a buzzard's crutch, with bearings totally rusted out on both sides (rubber seals long disappeared - very hard to see in the photos) so I sent them back for a refund. The seller has just relisted them, still with no mention of their scrap condition.
I think I ought to leave feedback as a warning.
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I treat any listing without a description of condition with suspicion, eg:
Item name (eg shimano spd pedals pd-m323, Makita drill etc). Condition is "Used". Dispatched with Royal Mail 1st Class.
Loads of listings have just that in the description, nothing else.
Either the seller is lazy or dishonest.
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He's also bragging about his 100% feedback, perhaps he needs some honest feedback.
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I treat any listing without a description of condition with suspicion,
They autogenerate that.
I usually find I have little else to say, other than some variation on "good condition but usual wear and tear", which is entirely meaningless.
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I thought it might be automatic because so many listings have the same exact description, which makes it even worse as the seller doesn't even bother to write anything at all.
I also pass over any listing with "the photos form part of the description".
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I also pass over any listing with "the photos form part of the description".
I scan through the 'cheap old film camera' listings most weeks and am bemused by the relatively large number of cameras that are 'working', 'tested' or 'tested with film' when they use obsolete film types.
Ditto anything listed as 'rare' - your description of it as collectable does not double the price, (particularly if its an Instamatic) .
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Sold a low-value item this evening (started bidding at 99p). Bids received, item ended. eBay is now telling me "Sorry, this item did not sell" whilst also telling me it sold. Clicking on the actual item shows at the top: "You sold this item | Relist" - no option to send an invoice to the winner as it normally would.
I'm thoroughly confused. I think it's sold, but it's also saying it's not... ???
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Sold a low-value item this evening (started bidding at 99p). Bids received, item ended. eBay is now telling me "Sorry, this item did not sell" whilst also telling me it sold. Clicking on the actual item shows at the top: "You sold this item | Relist" - no option to send an invoice to the winner as it normally would.
I'm thoroughly confused. I think it's sold, but it's also saying it's not... ???
Ah well, buyer has paid, so clearly eBay was just having a moment.
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Ordered 28 spokes. Seller does them in 8s or 2s. I ordered 3 x 8 and 2 x 2.
I got 40 ???
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The bastard.
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I recently won an auction. On my phone it said it had 3 minutes less time remaining than the countdown on my laptop. At the risk of inflating the price I went with the mobile and won. I forgot to look at what the laptop countdown did but I would have lost the bidding if I hadn’t used a mobile instead. Never seen that before.
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I recently won an auction. On my phone it said it had 3 minutes less time remaining than the countdown on my laptop. At the risk of inflating the price I went with the mobile and won. I forgot to look at what the laptop countdown did but I would have lost the bidding if I hadn’t used a mobile instead. Never seen that before.
Moral of the story: Use AuctionSniper - it's the only way I bid now. Decide on max I'll bid, enter the details and forget about it until I either get the winner email, or the end time passes I don't. Stops you getting carried away with bids.
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The bastard.
I know. He could at least have sent enough to build another wheel ;D
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The bastard.
I know. He could at least have sent enough to build another wheel ;D
It's a bit like the free gifts toys you got on children's comics in the 70s that required you to buy the next one to get a key component for the toy.
I once got a shoe from the 80s paranormal mag 'The Unexplained', but had to buy the following month's edition to get the charred foot to go in it.
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I recently won an auction. On my phone it said it had 3 minutes less time remaining than the countdown on my laptop. At the risk of inflating the price I went with the mobile and won. I forgot to look at what the laptop countdown did but I would have lost the bidding if I hadn’t used a mobile instead. Never seen that before.
Moral of the story: Use AuctionSniper - it's the only way I bid now. Decide on max I'll bid, enter the details and forget about it until I either get the winner email, or the end time passes I don't. Stops you getting carried away with bids.
I only buy on auctions in ebay with the Gixen sniper.
Like you, i decide what i think it (usually an old camera) is worth *to me* - enter that, and a week or so later i get a surprise email saying 'outbid' or 'pay now'.
I'll occasionally look at the control panel and be astonished at what some people appear to be paying (unless, as i suspect, there's jigger pokery at work occasionally).
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The bastard.
I know. He could at least have sent enough to build another wheel ;D
It's a bit like the free gifts toys you got on children's comics in the 70s that required you to buy the next one to get a key component for the toy.
I once got a shoe from the 80s paranormal mag 'The Unexplained', but had to buy the following month's edition to get the charred foot to go in it.
if you bought the last ever issue, you got the entire Templar fortune (27p at 1984 prices).
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So the latest money making trick (as if eBay needed one) is the new, convenient "get paid directly into your bank account" requirement. I was "invited" to set this up recently, not that there appears to be any choice in the matter. And yeserday I made my first sale since. So I get the confirmation email which informs me that the payment - unless subject to some unspecified "hold"" will be "initiated" by eBay within 2 business days, and then subject to "normal bank processing times". So instead of instant payment, it'll take 2-3 working days to get your funds. No wonder farcebook marketplace is growing.
ETA Just checked an my payment (less the extortionate fees - another reason to minimise use of eBay now) is indeed expected to complete by the 26th. I'll not be posting the item until I see the money in my account.
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https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2020/11/ebay-axes-paypal-sellers-bank-accounts-upping-fees/
I heard about it recently.
Ebay has also changed paying by Paypal as a buyer. Now there's a redirect to Paypal's website where you have to log in to complete the payment.
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Hmm, I've just started using ebay to sell off various incomplete cigarette card sets but not sure how to more successfully dispose of the 500+ complete sets so I will try FB marketplace I think.
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As a buyer, there is no alternative to Ebay other than, to some extent, Amazon. I looked at other sites and they're useless - none of the items that I've recently bought aren't on them; nothing too specialised but nothing there.
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Had an email from J. Random Browser asking why something was £5 and is now £32. Well, it got no bids at £5 (books don't tend to sell as auctions because people want them now) so is now BIN for £32 and can sit there until it sells. It's still the cheapest copy of the book on eBay. If you wanted it that much, you should have bid at £5, you knob.
I blocked him as a buyer. He'd never leave good feedback.
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Fed up of shite search results where people have put Apollo Bike not Colnago, Sunrace like Shimano, or similar keyword spamming. There is a specific eBay report form to get such listings removed (misuse of a brand name for search and browse manipulation) but, as you'd expect, they do absolutely nothing.
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Fed up of shite search results where people have put Apollo Bike not Colnago, Sunrace like Shimano, or similar keyword spamming. There is a specific eBay report form to get such listings removed (misuse of a brand name for search and browse manipulation) but, as you'd expect, they do absolutely nothing.
That's not just ebay - it's any search for anything on Google and/or other search facilities seeding the broadest possible descriptions into websites . . . and a whole load of goatee-bearded Hoxton "meeja" hipsters are making money by setting all this up for all manner of businesses.
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Fed up of shite search results where people have put Apollo Bike not Colnago, Sunrace like Shimano, or similar keyword spamming. There is a specific eBay report form to get such listings removed (misuse of a brand name for search and browse manipulation) but, as you'd expect, they do absolutely nothing.
That's been going on for years, probably since Ebay started.
I've seen:
C Record era referring to Athena or other lower group stuff,
eroica for anything old,
fixie for practically anything.
Another browsing manipulation is where Buy it Now listings offer variations of the same product, eg different colours or sizes. It means you don't have to have a separate listing for each colour etc. But Ebay lets you include anything in the listing and also differents prices.
If you include a cheap item for 99p along with the actual product, eg £9.99, the listing shows up as "99p - £9.99" and gets to the top of the search/browse results sorted by price.
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"New" chainring arrives.
Filthy with oil. Scars on the back from the chain dropping the the inner ring. Two broken teeth. I left neutral feedback sayjng it was very obviously used. I wish I'd left negative feedback. I'll just sell it on as I dislike dealing with shysters.
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I'll just sell it on as I dislike dealing with shysters
..err right..
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I'll just sell it on as I dislike dealing with shysters
..err right..
Presumably sell it on as used and with an honest description.
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I'll just sell it on as I dislike dealing with shysters
..err right..
Presumably sell it on as used and with an honest description.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334040072159
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If it was described as new then you should get a refund - misdescription.
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If it was described as new then you should get a refund - misdescription.
Yes. And I could. But for a likely loss of less than a fiver, I'd rather just warn other buyers and move on. I don't want to engage in conversation with such people, and getting return postage refunded can be a nightmare.
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Fed up of shite search results where people have put Apollo Bike not Colnago, Sunrace like Shimano, or similar keyword spamming. There is a specific eBay report form to get such listings removed (misuse of a brand name for search and browse manipulation) but, as you'd expect, they do absolutely nothing.
That's been going on for years, probably since Ebay started.
I've seen:
C Record era referring to Athena or other lower group stuff,
eroica for anything old,
fixie for practically anything.
And the perennial favourite for anything that might concievably be used for hydroponics or weighing small quantities of things: "NOT CANNABIS"
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Ordered a Brompton RH brake lever with bell (new style). Good price. Evidently too good, because it's never arrived and the seller hasn't responded. Will get a refund from eBay but it delays a project >:(
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Ordered 28 spokes. Seller does them in 8s or 2s. I ordered 3 x 8 and 2 x 2.
I got 40 ???
Some time ago I ordered some RJ45 plugs priced individually but packaged in packs of twelve. So I ordered 24 which came to £1.20 inc postage. They sent 24 packs — I don’t think I’ll need any more this lifetime!
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Ordered 28 spokes. Seller does them in 8s or 2s. I ordered 3 x 8 and 2 x 2.
I got 40 ???
Some time ago I ordered some RJ45 plugs priced individually but packaged in packs of twelve. So I ordered 24 which came to £1.20 inc postage. They sent 24 packs — I don’t think I’ll need any more this lifetime!
Similar thing happened to me a while back - ordered some fluorescent tube fittings for my barn workshop - packed in 4s - received 16. Good old Wickes - they told me to keep them :thumbsup:
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Some time ago I ordered some RJ45 plugs priced individually but packaged in packs of twelve. So I ordered 24 which came to £1.20 inc postage. They sent 24 packs — I don’t think I’ll need any more this lifetime!
Similar thing happened to me a while back - ordered some fluorescent tube fittings for my barn workshop - packed in 4s - received 16. Good old Wickes - they told me to keep them :thumbsup:
Ever noticed how the probability of this happening seems to be inversely proportional to the usefulness of the items concerned?
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Some time ago I ordered some RJ45 plugs priced individually but packaged in packs of twelve. So I ordered 24 which came to £1.20 inc postage. They sent 24 packs — I don’t think I’ll need any more this lifetime!
Similar thing happened to me a while back - ordered some fluorescent tube fittings for my barn workshop - packed in 4s - received 16. Good old Wickes - they told me to keep them :thumbsup:
Ever noticed how the probability of this happening seems to be inversely proportional to the usefulness of the items concerned?
Sort of - once I installed the 4 tubes I thought I bought I found that the barn (BIG) needed another 4 - I later built two internal rooms in said barn and used 4 more - then used the last 4 at the next house I bought for the large garage.
Current workshop at another house now has LED battens - bright as an operating theatre and very low energy consumption (ordered 3 and 3 were delivered :'( )
I do have a spare battery nail gun as a result of over-delivery ;D
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These days if you want to sell second hand then use FB. We sold the cargo trike in a week - Bank Transfer, no fees. eBawho?
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FB Marketplace is a scary place though, with nothing to insulate you from the idiocy of the Great British Public. There was an item for sale locally where, instead of a photo of the item, she'd used a screenshot of an SMS conversation between herself and her employee :facepalm:
Also, they know where you live.
It is the best place to buy a s/h Brompton, though. As long as it's not nicked.
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These days if you want to sell second hand then use FB. We sold the cargo trike in a week - Bank Transfer, no fees. eBawho?
I've been quite successful with Gumtree for flogging stuff - all cash on collection payment and no fees. Just have to be aware that some enthusiastic buyers fail to show up so don't stop the ad until the item has been paid for.
The best "miracle deal" I've had: replaced the granite worktops in the kitchen (quite a lot of it with one bit 2.5m long) - put it on Gumtree for £500 not expecting a result - got a bite from someone on the south coast (I'm in Warwickshire) wanting to buy it. Deal made at the price with a £50 deposit by bank transfer (my non/seldom-used account) subject to the fitters getting it all out ready for collection - if they bust anything I refund the deposit) Success and everything outside for collection - balance paid to bank and a van and driver sent (alone) to collect. It was made clear that no loading help was available for the very heavy granite - and own risk etc. Loading was farcical but successful and I got a gushing message of thanks the next day from the buyer.
Fastest sale has been 8 minutes for a bench vice at £30 - collected within the hour from posting. :thumbsup:
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Only one 52T 110BCD chainguard exists, it's metal, and you have to buy it from Taiwan. They shipped it in a jiffy bag. It turned up bent :facepalm:
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Just received an item not received request for something I sold 2 months ago. Unfortunately, I haven't kept the proof of posting details (I got rid of them a couple of weeks ago as I thought that it was safe by that point, since I'd expect the buyer to have got in touch before now).
However, just checked and the buyer left positive feedback, so I'm confused. ???
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Just received an item not received request for something I sold 2 months ago. Unfortunately, I haven't kept the proof of posting details (I got rid of them a couple of weeks ago as I thought that it was safe by that point, since I'd expect the buyer to have got in touch before now).
However, just checked and the buyer left positive feedback, so I'm confused. ???
Well, that was pleasantly easy to resolve. Spoke to live chat, and as it had been well over 30 days since the estimated delivery date, the case was closed. :thumbsup:
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I refer to the parcel that turned up after a refund: https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=83743.msg2645311#msg2645311
Buyer wants to pay me and asks for.my PayPal address.
We don't have each others' PayPal details as the new eBay managed payments obscure them.
I can't send him any contact or payment details as eBay, desperate not to lose their pound of flesh, are blocking all such messages, although they told me on the phone to arrange payment between ourselves.
Luckily I have his postal address and a first class stamp. Good luck blocking that, eBay 8)
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Trying to schedule a listing and ebay says 30 July is Thursday..
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(Checks date/time display at top of fondleslab screen)
I've been one day out all week. Probably due to skipping dinner on Monday because sizeable lunch.
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I refer to the parcel that turned up after a refund: https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=83743.msg2645311#msg2645311
Buyer wants to pay me and asks for.my PayPal address.
We don't have each others' PayPal details as the new eBay managed payments obscure them.
I can't send him any contact or payment details as eBay, desperate not to lose their pound of flesh, are blocking all such messages, although they told me on the phone to arrange payment between ourselves.
Luckily I have his postal address and a first class stamp. Good luck blocking that, eBay 8)
I think you can still send him a photograph of the "item". Or your address and phone number.
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I hate sellers who cancel auctions early when there are bids. It's against the rules and the seller is supposed to contact bidders first and ask to cancel the bid. But the greedy bastards don't bother. Worse, eBay puts the item into a memory hole so you can't see that you ever had a bid on it.
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Hmmm. Just sold an item doubly marked as "collection only" and the buyer wants it posted after 18th Jan :facepalm:
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Another joybidder, who bought a bike because "I hoped my brother would want it but he found another one". Right.
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Would someone be kind enough to run through the correct course of action if selling a bike on Ebay and planning to allow collection?
How does it all work with the new Ebay-managed payments system? Can I insist on payment first in any way, or is it a requirement that the seller offers cash on collection?
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Once they've paid you cash and collected the item from you, you just mark the completed auction as paid and dispatched, and that's it.
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For collection, the buyer should get sent a QR code. Then you scan that in the Ebay app, to prove they have collected it.
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For collection, the buyer should get sent a QR code. Then you scan that in the Ebay app, to prove they have collected it.
Or as I have done on numerous occasions for various items bike/non-bike - a paper delivery note they sign as "received as seen and tried" - and then as Adam says mark as sent etc.
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For collection, the buyer should get sent a QR code. Then you scan that in the Ebay app, to prove they have collected it.
That is what happened for me last year when I bought a derelict bike. Not having a mobile communication device, I printed the QR which also came with an instruction "if the code doesn't work then -" (I cannot remember the rest). The seller was able to scan my print out using his magic mobile communication device, and all was well.
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That's to prevent PayPal fraud where the buyer claims non-delivery/non-collection. The word is that, even without this proof, PayPal will not take the money back if they have proof that the seller has reported the attempted fraud to the police.
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This isn't a rant per se but an observation on ebay bids and reserve pricing.
If an item has an opening price of say, £20, and a reserve of, say £100, then if someone makes a bid (of however much) the bid only shows at the next increment above the opening price (say £22) - despite the bidder being willing to pay more - then if there's a second or more bidders then the price still only rises at the increments.
Given that there's a reserve and the incremental bids aren't going to win that seems pointless - the logic to me would be that if bidder 1 was willing to go to, say, £80 then the price would reflect that as he is "bidding against the reserve" - likewise subsequent bidders would see a more realstic price related to the reserve. [Or in the same vein, if the openng bidder pitched more than the reserve then the price would go straight to the reserve and therefore sell]
Perhaps my logic is faulty . . . . as a buyer it would be transparent, and as a seller ditto and weed out the tyre-kickers.
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Once they've paid you cash and collected the item from you, you just mark the completed auction as paid and dispatched, and that's it.
Thanks. What if it is a PayPal transaction? In this case, a deposit has been paid (via Paypal) and there is an agreement to pay the balance via PayPal on collection. Do I just wait until it appears in the app and extract it to another account asap?
Edited to add: I realise I have now veered off topic as I have yet to brave Ebay with this item, and the payment arrangement relates to a forum sales corner.
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This isn't a rant per se but an observation on ebay bids and reserve pricing.
If an item has an opening price of say, £20, and a reserve of, say £100, then if someone makes a bid (of however much) the bid only shows at the next increment above the opening price (say £22) - despite the bidder being willing to pay more - then if there's a second or more bidders then the price still only rises at the increments.
Given that there's a reserve and the incremental bids aren't going to win that seems pointless - the logic to me would be that if bidder 1 was willing to go to, say, £80 then the price would reflect that as he is "bidding against the reserve" - likewise subsequent bidders would see a more realstic price related to the reserve. [Or in the same vein, if the openng bidder pitched more than the reserve then the price would go straight to the reserve and therefore sell]
Perhaps my logic is faulty . . . . as a buyer it would be transparent, and as a seller ditto and weed out the tyre-kickers.
SOP for reserve auctions (which are utterly pointless on eBay) seems to be to make an "accidental" large bid of, say, £1000, to find out exactly what the reserve is, then retract it, saying "entered wrong amount".
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This isn't a rant per se but an observation on ebay bids and reserve pricing.
If an item has an opening price of say, £20, and a reserve of, say £100, then if someone makes a bid (of however much) the bid only shows at the next increment above the opening price (say £22) - despite the bidder being willing to pay more - then if there's a second or more bidders then the price still only rises at the increments.
Given that there's a reserve and the incremental bids aren't going to win that seems pointless - the logic to me would be that if bidder 1 was willing to go to, say, £80 then the price would reflect that as he is "bidding against the reserve" - likewise subsequent bidders would see a more realstic price related to the reserve. [Or in the same vein, if the openng bidder pitched more than the reserve then the price would go straight to the reserve and therefore sell]
Perhaps my logic is faulty . . . . as a buyer it would be transparent, and as a seller ditto and weed out the tyre-kickers.
SOP for reserve auctions (which are utterly pointless on eBay) seems to be to make an "accidental" large bid of, say, £1000, to find out exactly what the reserve is, then retract it, saying "entered wrong amount".
Can't quite see why you think reserves are useless on ebay? If selling an item the seller, not unreasonably, has a minimum acceptable figure - i.e. a reserve.
I have to confess I've won auctions with a low bid for items that are worth way more than the hammer price where the seller just had a start price . . . a two year old Van Nic Ti bike frame & forks as an example for not much more than double figures (and it hadn't been stolen - came with the original bill etc!)
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Can't quite see why you think reserves are useless on ebay? If selling an item the seller, not unreasonably, has a minimum acceptable figure - i.e. a reserve.
I have to confess I've won auctions with a low bid for items that are worth way more than the hammer price where the seller just had a start price . . . a two year old Van Nic Ti bike frame & forks as an example for not much more than double figures (and it hadn't been stolen - came with the original bill etc!)
So just set the starting price as your 'minimum acceptable figure'.
Then it is clear that if someone bids that, they could actually buy it. Why try to obscure it with a reserve?
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As above. Reserves just annoy buyers.
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Can't quite see why you think reserves are useless on ebay? If selling an item the seller, not unreasonably, has a minimum acceptable figure - i.e. a reserve.
I have to confess I've won auctions with a low bid for items that are worth way more than the hammer price where the seller just had a start price . . . a two year old Van Nic Ti bike frame & forks as an example for not much more than double figures (and it hadn't been stolen - came with the original bill etc!)
So just set the starting price as your 'minimum acceptable figure'.
Then it is clear that if someone bids that, they could actually buy it. Why try to obscure it with a reserve?
Can't say I agree - the chances of getting a bid(s) at the "acceptable price" are many times less than a lower price start that runs up to meet or pass the reserve . . . that's how live auctions work to get the punters on the hook and progress from there.
Whatever, my point was really about bidding levels vs the reserve rather than the principles of a reserve.
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But on eBay, the serious buyers only bid in the last 10 seconds. eBay is basically a one-week advertising service with an blink-and-you'll-miss-it sealed bid auction at the end.
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But on eBay, the serious buyers only bid in the last 10 seconds. eBay is basically a one-week advertising service with an blink-and-you'll-miss-it sealed bid auction at the end.
Yes - and I'm an Auction Sniper afficionado - but my comment is still valid in terms of bids vs the reserve for those that do bid during the whole auction window.
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I ordered a 2nd hand book via Ebay. 2 weeks after the promised delivery date it hadn't turned up. Checking their feedback they are actually based in the US, and there are lots of complaints from UK customers. I asked Ebay for a refund, which was credited to my account 2 weeks ago.
The book has just arrived....
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Serves them right for being dishonest about their location. I'd just keep quiet about it and see if they moan. If they don't moan, then donate to charity instead.
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Re reserve price vs high starting price
It used to be that a high starting price had a higher seller's fee compared with a low starting price. But that was scapped years ago.
A reserve price has the same advantage as a low starting price, the low price attract views of your auction. But if the item is uncommon and valuable (to a limited number of people), you're protected against selling at a low price if not many potential buyers are looking at your auction.
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But there are extra fees to set a reserve price, even if it doesn't sell.
Yes, a low price attracts more views, but does it attract more bidders?
If I see something with a reserve, I'm less likely to bother bidding on it. Seems more worthwhile just bidding on a higher priced item, where I know it will sell.
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People just probe to find out what the reserve is, then retract their last bid. There are no sanctions for retracting bids, whatever eBay pretends.
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But there are extra fees to set a reserve price, even if it doesn't sell.
Yes, a low price attracts more views, but does it attract more bidders?
If I see something with a reserve, I'm less likely to bother bidding on it. Seems more worthwhile just bidding on a higher priced item, where I know it will sell.
I think a low starting price, eg £1, usually ends up with a higher selling price than a high starting price (near the going rate). The latter gets far fewer views and bids and if it sells at all, it doesn't go for much more the starting price.
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Had a message from some idiot asking if I can post a chainsaw to Wick, KW1 (MUST BE COLLECTED in capital letters in the listing, local collection as the only delivery option).
His username: pothead81, message sent at 3am.
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But there are extra fees to set a reserve price, even if it doesn't sell.
Yes, a low price attracts more views, but does it attract more bidders?
If I see something with a reserve, I'm less likely to bother bidding on it. Seems more worthwhile just bidding on a higher priced item, where I know it will sell.
I think a low starting price, eg £1, usually ends up with a higher selling price than a high starting price (near the going rate). The latter gets far fewer views and bids and if it sells at all, it doesn't go for much more the starting price.
I sold my Brompton last week. Starting price £500. That seemed to get it on hundreds of watch lists. Also, within minutes of posting, some joker offers to come and collect today and pay cash. ::-)
I put it up for the default 7 days, and for six of those it only got a couple of bids. Plus a lot of requests to send to various countries in the Far East. In the last few minutes it was bid up to £871, and went to a bloke in London who ships Bromptons to the Far East.
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Why on earth do people have a bidding frenzy on something a full 1-2 days before the close ??? I always just snipe at the end, but some on fleabay are just having the effect of pushing the price up for 'no reason'.
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Because it amuses me.
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“Royal Mail” tracking numbers that are nothing of the sort.
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Bought a bag, after asking questions about bag.
Turns up today, fondling of package smells fishy. Open package, wrong (and cheaper) bag, which cannot really be confused with the ordered bag.
Message sent, quite a quick response "Oh, please send a pic, we had a new girl in that day who packed your order". Waiting with baited breath.
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Bought a bag, after asking questions about bag.
Turns up today, fondling of package smells fishy. Open package, wrong (and cheaper) bag, which cannot really be confused with the ordered bag.
Message sent, quite a quick response "Oh, please send a pic, we had a new girl in that day who packed your order". Waiting with baited breath.
ISWYDT ;D
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Well, that went better than expected :)
New one in the post, to be here tomorrow (allegedly), start a refund and send the order one back, they'll refund me and I get a bag for free, less postage.for the inconvenience. Let's wait and see how it pans out in reality.
EDIT in reality it went very well, old bag sent back, new bag arrived, refunded. Let's hope they don't let the new girl off the reins too much, for the sake of their profits
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Anyone good at analysing bidding? 1+ day to end. In italics = automatic bidding. This is something I was following, giving up now... :-\
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52202361480_3951c2b276.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nwWKnb)bidding... (https://flic.kr/p/2nwWKnb) by a oxon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/145942400@N06/), on Flickr
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Used to be an auction site, either Yahoo Auctions or QXL can’t recall which, that would add time to the end of an auction if there was a bid in the last couple of minutes.
I’ve always wondered why eBay don’t use that? Possible that rushed last second bids generate higher selling prices?
I only ever sell when they do deals on reduced fees and don’t relist if It doesn’t sell first time round. They go up elsewhere in those cases.
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Anyone good at analysing bidding? 1+ day to end. In italics = automatic bidding. This is something I was following, giving up now... :-\
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52202361480_3951c2b276.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nwWKnb)bidding... (https://flic.kr/p/2nwWKnb) by a oxon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/145942400@N06/), on Flickr
Straightforward.
5*5 bid around the minimum in the hope no-one else was interested.
t*6 bid £45 or more (almost certainly more) and was given the price £1 above 5*5's bid
t*0 put in a number of bids, each time was under t*6's maximum, kept trying, then gave up at £44.
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A current fault means "description" is not visible for many listings. SNAD claims could be interesting.
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Message from J. Random Clueless asking if they can buy an auction item rather than bid.
The item currently has no bids but "Best Offer" is available :facepalm:
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eBay sellers who claim to send items "signed for" or "tracked" and don't. No, the barcode from your proof of posting means nothing at all. ::-)
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Postal strikes will cock things up a tad I guess.
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I've got a buyer wanting to return an item (clothing) because it doesn't fit. Size is as stated in the original item description, so no misdescription by me (buyer asked various questions before purchasing, though nothing about sizing!).
I don't accept returns, but am assuming I pretty much have to, because what's to stop them filing a SNAD, and of course eBay always sides with the buyer. However, am I obliged to refund the original postage too? Doesn't really seem fair that I should be out of pocket when I've done nothing wrong (TBH, in the same situation, I'd simply keep it and sell it on myself). :-\
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Bought an office chair and asked if I could collect it tonight. Sorry, we're away for a week or two. FFS, there's an option for that, you muppet.
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Today's purchase was an electric random orbital car polisher, "unused and perfect". It unfettled itself into plastic shards as soon as I switched it on, so I'm very glad I was wearing glasses. The total lack of padding in the package probably did for it.
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Thinking about getting a small drone for some hill climbs and therefore spending far too long on ebay!
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Ah, the bay of thieves.
Bought something listed as the current model but they have sent the previous model. Also, it is disgustingly filthy.
I have sent them my complaint with photographic evidence.
I remember why I don't generally use thievbay now. My own fault for ignoring my own better judgement.
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After this week’s crap buyer, I once again won’t be using the evil harbour in either direction
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Yay, lucky me, I've just managed to buy a fake bluetooth speaker on ebay. >:( Return & refund
requested accepted.
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Ah, the bay of thieves.
Bought something listed as the current model but they have sent the previous model. Also, it is disgustingly filthy.
I have sent them my complaint with photographic evidence.
I remember why I don't generally use thievbay now. My own fault for ignoring my own better judgement.
There is a truism that everything you buy from eBay needs washing before you can use it. This is not linked to "washing off the factory AIDS" that is necessary for all new culinary hardware, it being an absolute known fact that, at the end of every factory production line, there is a special sprayer that coats every item in a nasty virus.
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There is a truism that everything you buy from eBay needs washing before you can use it.
Second hand stuff often needs sending back or scrubbing with swarfega because it's been in a house with a smoker. TBH, I don't buy much second-hand stuff from eBay any more, and what little I do is mostly things like computer parts, which you're only going to be sniffing if they stop working.
It's more useful for small quantities of new things that are usually sold in the hundreds. Sometimes I just need one or two of a particular fastener or electronic component, and it's cheaper than the shipping charge from a proper supplier.
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It’s becoming increasingly difficult to buy and sell. Facebook Marketplace is chock full of scammers - a still sealed in is packaging iPhone 15 anyone? And FleaBay fees are off-putting.
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Dodgy booksellers have been a problem since covid. They send books untracked, they don’t arrive. Your word against the bookseller. I demand click and collect or no sale.
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Dodgy booksellers have been a problem since covid. They send books untracked, they don’t arrive. Your word against the bookseller. I demand click and collect or no sale.
It's the seller's responsibility to provide evidence of delivery if your item didn't arrive. If the seller can't, you will get a refund.
I bought some books recently and they have all arrived (delivered to work though), condition were accurately described except for one book (Touring Bikes by Tony Oliver). And they were a lot cheaper than I had expected.
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Oh yes, I got refunds, but I have no wish to be put in that position. One seller was offensive about it and got a third party to send me a cheque for part of the purchase price! I wasn't stupid enough to try and cash it.
I have bought some excellent books on ebay, often in better condition than I'd hoped and cheaper than Amazon.
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Sellers, check your flipping messages.
When an item is 'collection only', it is reasonable to give a rough idea (say, a suburb) of the location. Just saying 'York' doesn't mean much, since the York postcode extends out to Pickering and Malton.
So it would be really useful if you checked your messages and said where the item is located.
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Sellers, check your flipping messages.
When an item is 'collection only', it is reasonable to give a rough idea (say, a suburb) of the location. Just saying 'York' doesn't mean much, since the York postcode extends out to Pickering and Malton.
So it would be really useful if you checked your messages and said where the item is located.
Just in case of any confusion, the seller in York was not me! ;D
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After all that fuss, MrsC has messaged me to remind me that she's bringing a passenger back with her, so the item wouldn't fit in the car anyway.
Not sure why either of us didn't think of that 2 days ago.
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I was watching an item, waited until about a 40 seconds before the auction ending, clicked on "place bid", got a pop up box, typed in my bid amount then clicked "review bid", nothing happens...typed again, clicked "review bid", again nothing. Auction then ends.
That was 2 days ago, I just tried to bid on an auction, again I can't make a bid.
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I was watching an item, waited until about a 40 seconds before the auction ending, clicked on "place bid", got a pop up box, typed in my bid amount then clicked "review bid", nothing happens...typed again, clicked "review bid", again nothing. Auction then ends.
That was 2 days ago, I just tried to bid on an auction, again I can't make a bid.
Get yourself on AuctionSniper . . .
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I don't trust snipe tools that need your login details. The ones that run on your own device are ok if the device is online at the time.
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It's working now, at least I'm seeing the "confirm bid" box.
It seems others had the same problem.
https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/Buying/Review-bid-fails/m-p/7502526
I wouldn't trust an online sniper either.
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Sellers, check your flipping messages.
When an item is 'collection only', it is reasonable to give a rough idea (say, a suburb) of the location. Just saying 'York' doesn't mean much, since the York postcode extends out to Pickering and Malton.
So it would be really useful if you checked your messages and said where the item is located.
Sellers postcode is published on 'collection only' items. Contact Seller takes you to a page that triages your question. Top of that page shows a thumbnail photo of the item with 'Location' as a postcode.
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I don't think we have a thread for "unbelievable online tat" but these fake books on eBay are an excellent example:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/235285593985?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=auJpSOdTT3O&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=NtG1_XQcQXK&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Two copies of "Robison" Crusoe and the complete works of William Whades Peare.
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I noticed recently somebody was selling a 'Raleigh Team Banana' jersey.
Including a sponsor's logo of 'Sturmey Arcer', no less.
Front and back...
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I love eBay. I actually think it's one of the best websites on the internet. I sell a mix of old 'tat', old unused stuff (I wouldn't class as tat necessarily) and, brand new stuff bought for profit that I may have acquired in quantities whilst on a once in a long-time deal. It's the first classification that heightens it to premier website of the internet in my eyes. It gives children/young adults the opportunity to become a small business and understand the concepts trading and all the benefits that that brings, i.e. value in things and money and the importance of customer service, logistics and insurance. But I believe it is genuinely a benefit for the environment and ensures so much less stuff goes to landfill. It exposes your wares to a large market and once you understand how to operate the site you can filter out buyers of ill or little repute.
I will offer two tips though....Take great pictures showing all the flaws and features of the product you intend to sell under a bright light, with good contrast and sharp focus and secondly, send your items fully insured. I would recommend high value items with Royal Mail since Evri won't complete an investigation into a lost package until up to 30 workings days. No customer wants to wait for a refund that long so you could well refund the customer and then the package gets delivered later on and so you will be out of pocket. Royal Mail are much better in this regards.
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eBay has enabled me to sell quite a few items, not always for what I think they are worth, one or two times I have done better than expected. It has also taught me to be extra careful - if something looks too good to be true then ask for more and better pictures to start with.
So I don't mind it, it's a lesson in human nature in all its varieties.
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eBay has enabled me to sell quite a few items, not always for what I think they are worth, one or two times I have done better than expected. It has also taught me to be extra careful - if something looks too good to be true then ask for more and better pictures to start with.
So I don't mind it, it's a lesson in human nature in all its varieties.
Pretty much my take on ebay (I have >1,000 rating in ~22 years!) - I also have an etsy shop to sell the pieces of furniture I acquire/buy, refurbish and sell . . etsy seems to be pretty stable from the honesty/quality of customer perspective - and I get much better prices than I do on ebay for a similar commission rate.
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Meanwhile on Amazon:
Me:
08-Dec-2023 1x:25
Item not received. Please confirm delivery status. Thank you
08-Dec-2023 2x:01
Dear Asterix the former Gaul,
We are pleased to hear that your order arrived and that you are happy with our service. We are looking forward to welcome you again soon.
Please feel free to leave your feedback.
Best regards,
System Customer Service [amazon market place seller]
Meanwhile the price of the DVD I had ordered, paid for and not received, doubled. That's inflation for ya..
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^^ same here. Ordered a s/h book, got lost in post, got a refund. Had to pay five times more for another copy.
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Today's bargain. Suzuki Jimny wheel, £60.00 plus VAT (£72.00 to you).
But,
if you want a set click and buy 4 at £320.00 plus VAT
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The new AI descriptions eBay suggests you use are completely useless. They create a puff piece based on a new product, whereas what you need to know for a secondhand item is its condition. I can see a lot of sellers falling foul of this, as undeclared faults mean it's going straight back as SNAD.
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It also talks utter shite. Every laptop is “powerful” and “sleek” and ideal for applications x, y and z.
I have literally no clue what its purpose is.
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They probably wanted to help people list stuff faster and also overcome challenges in writing English (whether due to it being a second language, or just poor literacy). The AI should really be restricted to new, boxed, items.
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..... I would recommend high value items with Royal Mail since Evri won't complete an investigation into a lost package until up to 30 workings days. No customer wants to wait for a refund that long so you could well refund the customer and then the package gets delivered later on and so you will be out of pocket. Royal Mail are much better in this regards.
In fact you have to start the procedure with Evri before 30 days are up. Once it gets to 30 days, they say you've left it too late!
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I have literally no clue what its purpose is.
The purpose is to be able to say they have AI.
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Bit of a mystery with ebay . . . .
Usual browser is Firefox - searching etc works BUT trying to Buy, Watch or Add to basket doesn't work - nothing happens.
Second choice browser is Opera (use for YT to stop ads) - works fine with ebay to watch, buy etc.
Any ideas? - Firefox ran an update yesterday to 125.0.2 (64-bit) - and it says uptodate.
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If it works with Opera and not with Firefox, I'd keep checking for further Firefox updates. There is often a small patch a day after a large patch.
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If it works with Opera and not with Firefox, I'd keep checking for further Firefox updates. There is often a small patch a day after a large patch.
Yep did that - very strange as later on (about 5 hours) it worked fine - I'd done nothing at my end. Firefox is still showing the same version number. A mystery.
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Been looking for a cheap bike on ebay that I can use on a turbo trainer. A near impossible quest - I can't believe what people are asking for junk!
Anything near cheap has a stuck seatpost and was cheaper from new.