Blimey!
This is slightly mad. Too early for me to decide if I want to ride. I normally get all organising about christmas. Why has the closing date been set so early. IMHO it would have been better to open the entries at about January to me a chance to decide about riding.
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It seems a bit silly for what's essentially just a bike ride. If it's really such an issue, perhaps it's time to run it twice a year?
Blimey!
Did I publish it too early?
This is slightly mad. Too early for me to decide if I want to rideEasy to guarantee a place. Enter it now. Pay up. Then you're certain to have the choice of riding or not. £45 is the price of a couple of bike chains. Or one meal out with wine.
Us on the Continent have abandoned cheques in the 20th century, is there a more modern way to pay? (I don't think it's legal to send banknotes by post and besides, I only have left #20 after LEL)
Being a bit OCD, I did enjoy assembling on the bits and posting them... there is something satisfying that pressing a key on a computer cannot replicate, but maybe it is just me... ::-) ;D
Interesting move to insist on full AUK membership... I see Ritchie just does postal entry but I wonder if that is possible on line as well?
Controversially I am in favour of membership only for over-subscribed events. Membership has to be worth for something other than a quarterly magazine and access to the points system. 99% of the events in the calendar are open to everyone, so it's not that AUK is an exclusive club.
Moreover, with a mambership only system the rate of DNS should be lower, at least in principle.
BTW: when is the new Arrivee due to come out?Soon(ish) - I gather there have been some difficulties to resolve.
Possibly, what's the weather forecast like?
( I know it's "only 42 quid", but that's 8 chains, or 2 nights accomodation. :P )
I'm not talking about 10sp chains! :D
( I know it's "only 42 quid", but that's 8 chains, or 2 nights accomodation. :P )
An interesting proposition ...If one night is on a Travelodge and one is in an audax hotel, maybe.
no bag-drop yet confirmed. And we don't know how many tickets there are - so there might be 500 of you fighting for the 42 beds in the YHA.
( I know it's "only 42 quid", but that's 8 chains, or 2 nights accomodation. :P )
...Tell you what, how about a wager? How many riders on the BCM do you think will manage Fri+Sun accom for less than £42? I mean actual money paid to a business. Just me? 3 riders? None at all (i.e. consistent with your statement)?
42 quid ... 2 nights accomodation
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If one night is on a Travelodge and one is in an audax hotel, maybe.
( I know it's "only 42 quid", but that's 8 chains, or 2 nights accomodation. :P )
I think the price is in line with other AUK events with full TLC. You get what you pay for.
Been a long time since I paid less than £25 for a night anywhere. But I guess for 2 sharing twin rooms it could be done....Tell you what, how about a wager? How many riders on the BCM do you think will manage Fri+Sun accom for less than £42? I mean actual money paid to a business. Just me? 3 riders? None at all (i.e. consistent with your statement)?
42 quid ... 2 nights accomodation
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If one night is on a Travelodge and one is in an audax hotel, maybe.
Go on, put a number on it it.
I don't think it will reduce the numbers of plucky triers who want to ride the BCM if they think it's hardcore, because it doesn't cost much to become a member of AUK. I was one of those plucky triers once and I like riding brevets, especially long X rated ones.BCM isn't X rated
Secondly, I enjoy being able to visit other countries and ride their brevets. If they implemented a similar rule it would put me off going there, as I can't afford to become a member of six or so national organisations plus the cost of each brevet.if they had an event as popular as the BCM perhaps they would?
Thirdly, it sounds like you're trying to say; If your not a member of our club we don't want you riding our brevets, thank you.As far as I know, this is the only AUK event with this restriction
Catswiskas said it isn't the overseas riders who are causing the problem anyway.
Catswiskas said it isn't the overseas riders who are causing the problem anyway.
Catswiskas and Somnolent also said (or implied) that the AUK-only rule might not be applied to overseas riders.
Chains and dodgy hotel beds aside...
I'm very interested in Ritchie and Claire's AUK only policy. I would not advocate it for many events but for the longer distances I think it's got real value (unless someone can point out the glaring flaw in the scheme). As far as I can tell it is an incentive:
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Discuss...
Catswiskas said it isn't the overseas riders who are causing the problem anyway.
Catswiskas and Somnolent also said (or implied) that the AUK-only rule might not be applied to overseas riders.
Read the second line of LiamFitz' post. I'll put it here incase you have trouble finding it.Chains and dodgy hotel beds aside...
I'm very interested in Ritchie and Claire's AUK only policy. I would not advocate it for many events but for the longer distances I think it's got real value (unless someone can point out the glaring flaw in the scheme). As far as I can tell it is an incentive:
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Discuss...
SNIP
As organisers, we bear the risks for the event. If it doesn't cover it's costs, we have to under write them, ourselves, personally.
SNIP
Prospective entrants from overseas should contact us directly.
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What I'm trying to get at is AUK only means only members of AUK can ride. There's no mention in your post about AUK only events being open to members of other international organisations or overseas entrants and it's your post that I'm replying to.
That's it.
What I'm trying to get at is AUK only means only members of AUK can ride. There's no mention in your post @12:33:55 about AUK only events being open to members of other international organisations or overseas entrants and it's your post that I'm replying to.
That's it.
To put this in perspective - and hopefully put the whole thing to bed - I was talking to a rider on a recent ride (which cost more than £42, incidentally) about cheap accommodation before/after rides. Amongst other things, he reckoned that the £4/night he pays at Caving Club properties was about right!
(we didn't discuss chains ... )
An interesting proposition ...
no bag-drop yet confirmed. And we don't know how many tickets there are - so there might be 500 of you fighting for the 42 beds in the YHA.
( I know it's "only 42 quid", but that's 8 chains, or 2 nights accomodation. :P )
An interesting proposition ...
no bag-drop yet confirmed. And we don't know how many tickets there are - so there might be 500 of you fighting for the 42 beds in the YHA.
( I know it's "only 42 quid", but that's 8 chains, or 2 nights accomodation. :P )
Yeah, like my £45.50 'Saver Rate' at the SV TL on 18/05/2018 for a 'Family Room' [2 separate beds, including 'twin supplement']
;DTo put this in perspective - and hopefully put the whole thing to bed - I was talking to a rider on a recent ride (which cost more than £42, incidentally) about cheap accommodation before/after rides. Amongst other things, he reckoned that the £4/night he pays at Caving Club properties was about right!
(we didn't discuss chains ... )
I wonder who that was :)
To put this in perspective - and hopefully put the whole thing to bed - I was talking to a rider on a recent ride (which cost more than £42, incidentally) about cheap accommodation before/after rides. Amongst other things, he reckoned that the £4/night he pays at Caving Club properties was about right!
local caving club annual membership = £33 (rising to £38 for 2018) PLUS obligatory insurance £17...which puts £4 / night into context - and the accom is in a hut...tho' Dol hostel does get busy...
...Yes, exactly!QuoteTo put this in perspective - and hopefully put the whole thing to bed - I was talking to a rider on a recent ride (which cost more than £42, incidentally) about cheap accommodation before/after rides. Amongst other things, he reckoned that the £4/night he pays at Caving Club properties was about right!
local caving club annual membership = £33 (rising to £38 for 2018) PLUS obligatory insurance £17...which puts £4 / night into context - and the accom is in a hut...tho' Dol hostel does get busy...
For the benefit of the all forum, what are you talking about? What Caving Club are we talking about here? I can't follow you
I see 142 finishers listed last year.Ah, that's reassuring. Thanks.
For the benefit of the all forum, what are you talking about? What Caving Club are we talking about here? I can't follow you
To be honest, I don't think detail is going to benefit anyone ...
I suspect that mattc was talking about a particular rider with a twin reputation for being, um, careful, and a robust caver. I assume that said rider has previously booked accommodation in caving club huts near to whatever event he plans to ride, paying whatever modest sum he is charged as a guest with reciprocal rights as a member of his own local club.
I've wondered about doing something similar using mountaineering club huts, but have never quite got round to it.
I understand the need for the team to get entries in early in order to cover costs but I do wonder why AUK cannot provide a loan for a period of time. This would mean the BCM team wouldn't be out of pocket for a large part of the year and entries could be accepted from, say, January 2018.
Anyway, this happened earlier today.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHqcaflXUAAPcdk?format=jpg)
On the flatlands? Impossible I imagine.For the benefit of the all forum, what are you talking about? What Caving Club are we talking about here? I can't follow you
To be honest, I don't think detail is going to benefit anyone ...
I suspect that mattc was talking about a particular rider with a twin reputation for being, um, careful, and a robust caver. I assume that said rider has previously booked accommodation in caving club huts near to whatever event he plans to ride, paying whatever modest sum he is charged as a guest with reciprocal rights as a member of his own local club.
I've wondered about doing something similar using mountaineering club huts, but have never quite got round to it.
I found it impossible to book a Travelodge or similar budget hotel en route the Flatlands 600 (hence didn't enter), I wonder how easy it would be to find a Caving club en route an Audax ::-)
On the flatlands? Impossible I imagine.For the benefit of the all forum, what are you talking about? What Caving Club are we talking about here? I can't follow you
To be honest, I don't think detail is going to benefit anyone ...
I suspect that mattc was talking about a particular rider with a twin reputation for being, um, careful, and a robust caver. I assume that said rider has previously booked accommodation in caving club huts near to whatever event he plans to ride, paying whatever modest sum he is charged as a guest with reciprocal rights as a member of his own local club.
I've wondered about doing something similar using mountaineering club huts, but have never quite got round to it.
I found it impossible to book a Travelodge or similar budget hotel en route the Flatlands 600 (hence didn't enter), I wonder how easy it would be to find a Caving club en route an Audax ::-)
I found it impossible to book a Travelodge or similar budget hotel en route the Flatlands 600 (hence didn't enter),
I understand the need for the team to get entries in early in order to cover costs but I do wonder why AUK cannot provide a loan for a period of time. This would mean the BCM team wouldn't be out of pocket for a large part of the year and entries could be accepted from, say, January 2018.
Anyway, this happened earlier today.
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Are you sure you have got enough postage on that? Last year my entry got stuck at the post office with a note sent to the event org to collect it and pay the extra which they understandably didn't...I think (hope) so.
I found it impossible to book a Travelodge or similar budget hotel en route the Flatlands 600 (hence didn't enter),
There's always a bivvy bag and a hedge
This is why I love Audax
Is it one of those "not to do" things to enquire with the organiser whether he received the entry?
I suppose a reasonably updated list of entrants (even just AUK numbers if people are concerned about privacy) would be handy...
Is it one of those "not to do" things to enquire with the organiser whether he received the entry?
I suppose a reasonably updated list of entrants (even just AUK numbers if people are concerned about privacy) would be handy...
You could check to see if your cheque gets banked
You can always send entry with proof of delivery without having to get the recipient to sign for it.The entry could still go astray between letterbox and the organiser's start list. Shit happens.
probably easier to just ask... the downside of postal entry is harassment, I suppose
You could weigh it and put the proper stamp on it.
This list should not be seen as proof of entry. It simply shows the rides that you chose to add to your calendar along with any events you clicked the 'Enter this event' button for.
I took my entry into the post office on Thursday, had it weighed and they said a 1st class stamp was fine. I assume it arrived ok as I can see the BCM is now showing in my calendar in the members area of the Audax UK website.
I took my entry into the post office on Thursday, had it weighed and they said a 1st class stamp was fine. I assume it arrived ok as I can see the BCM is now showing in my calendar in the members area of the Audax UK website.
That happened automatically when you downloaded the entry form... mine was on well before I posted the entry... ;D
So, no one is actually sure of their entry until they receive . . . . . . . . . ? A route sheet, or some form of confirmation?
I'd paid by PayPal for an event this year but wasn't on the start list. These things can happen.
So, no one is actually sure of their entry until they receive . . . . . . . . . ? A route sheet, or some form of confirmation?
Not sure... waiting for clarification
From the calendar page:QuoteThis list should not be seen as proof of entry. It simply shows the rides that you chose to add to your calendar along with any events you clicked the 'Enter this event' button for.
I suggest not worrying until December. the post is nearly 100% reliable, if you sent it they almost certainly have it.
Cheque cashed... I guess that means I am in! ;DEnjoy, it is an awesome ride.
You could weigh it and put the proper stamp on it.
Are you sure you have got enough postage on that?
You could weigh it and put the proper stamp on it.
The issue is not the weight; it is unlikely to exceed 100g.
The issue is thickness;
why can't they do online entry? I don't even posess a cheque book any more, deep sadness every time the BCM is discussed :-(
why can't they do online entry? I don't even posess a cheque book any more, deep sadness every time the BCM is discussed :-(
I don't know of anyone to write a cheque, postal orders cost extra as do going to bank and getting a cheque made out there. In this day and age, payment should be simpler / more reliable/ traceable than sending a cheque through the post.why can't they do online entry? I don't even posess a cheque book any more, deep sadness every time the BCM is discussed :-(
I presume the pain of asking someone to write a cheque for you outweighs this "deep sadness" that you feel ?
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2) Paypal will charge roughly 3% of the transaction, so here we are probably talking a loss of 300 quid or so, or a higher entry fee.
A few good reasons why Paypal and BCM are not a good idea.1) not true entries have been open for some time and not closed yet. I'll accept might push entry response out by a week, but anyone desperate enough to enter in seconds will sort out a postal entry way before now. Unless they can't in or some reason. But we shouldn't restrict entry based on access to banking.
1) With Paypal it would become a race for the quickest to press the button, it could easily fill up before you even drag yourself out of bed on the day registration opens. Post dilutes this effect considerably and gets rid of the "impulse buyers". The LWL filled up in less than 24 hours, BCM would probably fill up in minutes.
2) Paypal will charge roughly 3% of the transaction, so here we are probably talking a loss of 300 quid or so, or a higher entry fee.
3) This is an AUK members event only, I don't think the AUK site has a system that blocks paypal entries for non members, so that would need to be implemented
Putting together the envelopes, cheque and registration form took a whopping 5 minutes of my life... 5 minutes nobody will give me back... it's not that big a deal, is it?
Well some reasonable reasons and, some seemingly irrelevant ones as well.A few good reasons why Paypal and BCM are not a good idea.1) not true entries have been open for some time and not closed yet. I'll accept might push entry response out by a week, but anyone desperate enough to enter in seconds will sort out a postal entry way before now. Unless they can't in or some reason. But we shouldn't restrict entry based on access to banking.
1) With Paypal it would become a race for the quickest to press the button, it could easily fill up before you even drag yourself out of bed on the day registration opens. Post dilutes this effect considerably and gets rid of the "impulse buyers". The LWL filled up in less than 24 hours, BCM would probably fill up in minutes.
2) Paypal will charge roughly 3% of the transaction, so here we are probably talking a loss of 300 quid or so, or a higher entry fee.
3) This is an AUK members event only, I don't think the AUK site has a system that blocks paypal entries for non members, so that would need to be implemented
Putting together the envelopes, cheque and registration form took a whopping 5 minutes of my life... 5 minutes nobody will give me back... it's not that big a deal, is it?
2) is the field size 250? I thought it was smaller than that? Still £200 Would still be significant. However 3% of £42 is not going to upset many entrants. I suspect most would be happy to pay £1.50 more
3) not sure how to deal with this, refund entries from non a UK? There are a growing number of high demand sun events, the sun members only requirement could become more popular with organisers, a UK could implement a system where only members who were logged in could see certain events, but this would also inconvenience members of overseas audax organisations which shouldn't be the case.
I don't have a cheque book, I don't know anyone who does have a cheque book. Paypal is not the only option, what about BACS, bitcoin, Monzo? Cheques are not free - ok they might be free to you, but they are incredibly expensive to print and process, that is not done by banks altruistically it's paid for by all of us. 3% of a lot of money adds up to a large amount, obviously, but it's still only 3% and 3% is not going to make or break anything either way. And it's even less when you factor in the cost of a C5 envelope, a stamp, running a printer...
not everyone works in an office, last year I bought a pack of c5 envelopes, which was a pain buta hoope well worth jumping through to be able to ride the best audax I have ridden which sort of backs up your point about being bothered.
I would assume most people use C5 envelopes at their workplace? Well, I did.
Pre-addressed and stamped envelopes save time. Writing 200 addresses twice can be a PITA, would you volunteer to do it, in exchange for a paypal entry?
It seems to me you can't be bothered, which in turn it means you are not really that interested, which is (I think) one of the reasons the organiser does it this way.
Ignoring the fact you're suggesting stealing/pilfering from my employer (a sackable offence), this is the 21st century what would we do with envelopes? Email, IM, File sharing, etc. seems to work fine.
On the same theme (being the 21st century) we can see the results on the auk website, I can't imagine many people really want their brevet card back.
I remember reading somewhere else on this forum that BRM cards were not actually sent to Paris. I know, shocking :o
I remember reading somewhere else on this forum that BRM cards were not actually sent to Paris. I know, shocking :o
This crossed my mind last week but me not being Colombo could you please elaborate?
It would be pretty hard for any employer to justify in court the sacking for "stealing" 2 x C5 enveloped with a commercial value of 20 pence.At the risk of derailing the thread:
Conversely to what you think, I would be surprised if anyone didn't want his/her stamped card.
At the risk of derailing the thread...
In the past all cards went to Paris, now the cards are held by auk till stickers/paperwork are sent from pairs and cards are returned to organizer . well so i am told.We don't even have to wait for anything mailed from Paris any more. ACP generate a page or pages of 'stickers' electronically for our validation secs to print, affix to the cards, and return to the organiser. The record for this process (from brevets cards arriving in mail with the validation sec, right through to the cards, complete with stickers, being mailed back to organiser) is one hour.
One big issue for a event like B.c. using paypa,l is the large amount of cash Paypal could refused to release till after the event leaving Richie with no working capital to fund the event.Indeed !
I don't have a cheque book, I don't know anyone who does have a cheque book.Go and ask your bank for one. Be the envy of all your friends, you'll have something that none of them have got.
Can we get back to the ride, please, as opposed to arguing about snail mail, envelope sourcing, paypal disadvantages and similar? Richie has been pretty consistent and clear: he wants a posted entry form - and he is putting on this flagship event.
Is the 2018 Bryan Chapman Memorial 600km audax going to be equal to or more than 600km in length? Or is there an Audax UK rule for BRMs allowing some leeway?
Well some reasonable reasons and, some seemingly irrelevant ones as well.A few good reasons why Paypal and BCM are not a good idea.1) not true entries have been open for some time and not closed yet. I'll accept might push entry response out by a week, but anyone desperate enough to enter in seconds will sort out a postal entry way before now. Unless they can't in or some reason. But we shouldn't restrict entry based on access to banking.
1) With Paypal it would become a race for the quickest to press the button, it could easily fill up before you even drag yourself out of bed on the day registration opens. Post dilutes this effect considerably and gets rid of the "impulse buyers". The LWL filled up in less than 24 hours, BCM would probably fill up in minutes.
2) Paypal will charge roughly 3% of the transaction, so here we are probably talking a loss of 300 quid or so, or a higher entry fee.
3) This is an AUK members event only, I don't think the AUK site has a system that blocks paypal entries for non members, so that would need to be implemented
Putting together the envelopes, cheque and registration form took a whopping 5 minutes of my life... 5 minutes nobody will give me back... it's not that big a deal, is it?
2) is the field size 250? I thought it was smaller than that? Still £200 Would still be significant. However 3% of £42 is not going to upset many entrants. I suspect most would be happy to pay £1.50 more
3) not sure how to deal with this, refund entries from non a UK? There are a growing number of high demand sun events, the sun members only requirement could become more popular with organisers, a UK could implement a system where only members who were logged in could see certain events, but this would also inconvenience members of overseas audax organisations which shouldn't be the case.
Oh well it would appear that unless a solution is found I doubt I will ever enter. Before whoever it was gets busy in his keyboard asking about time etc, I would suggest you re read your comments, I know my responses / posts on Facebook do sometimes appear harsh however, yours are simply unnecessary and, not conciliatory. Systems are in place to enable easy and, fast online entry, if there is a small fee I'm willing to pay it however, what seems to be in place here is some kind of selection process, I have no confidence that if I did post my entry in I'd get a place as, it would appear the organiser is applying filters.
Criticism of Organisers is unhelpful and demoralising.
PayPal fees are not trivial in aggregate and PayPal has caused HUGE problems releasing cash for some Audax events.
Events are run by VOLUNTEERS with Real Lives to lead.
They minimise personal stresses by doing things their own way. Your appreciation and consideration in these matters is anticipated.
I've not seen the 2018 route but it'll be over distance.
I don't have a cheque book, I don't know anyone who does have a cheque book.Go and ask your bank for one. Be the envy of all your friends, you'll have something that none of them have got.
I miss the days when I was paid by cheque... bank transfer is nowhere near as satisfying
They'll be the next retro hit, like fixies and beards. Soon everyone will have one, and we don't want that, no siree.
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/20922029I've not seen the 2018 route but it'll be over distance.It'll need to change then. I rode the 2016/17 route and (depending on how it's measured/calculated) that route is probably a tad under-distance. This year my Garmin tells me I rode 592 km, taking a minor shortcut through Abergavenny and cutting a corner on the Dolfor climb. I believe RWGPS gives a route-plotted-from-the-routesheet as approx 597 km.
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/20922029I've not seen the 2018 route but it'll be over distance.It'll need to change then. I rode the 2016/17 route and (depending on how it's measured/calculated) that route is probably a tad under-distance. This year my Garmin tells me I rode 592 km, taking a minor shortcut through Abergavenny and cutting a corner on the Dolfor climb. I believe RWGPS gives a route-plotted-from-the-routesheet as approx 597 km.
This 'under distance' issue can be resolved simply by Richie declaring the published event route as 'mandatory'
This 'under distance' issue can be resolved simply by Richie declaring the published event route as 'mandatory'
The published event route is under-distance.
Personally I don't mind at all!
I think there may be a tolerance for under0distance BRMs?
[ive ridden a French 200 that was 199 by routesheet]
BCM finishing via the Gospel Pass? As if the Staylittle road wasn’t sufficiently brutal.
BCM finishing via the Gospel Pass? As if the Staylittle road wasn’t sufficiently brutal.
The Gospel pass is not so bad... well, maybe after 500 km it is... ::-)
I'll assume the same goes for other accommodation in Chepstow.
Has anyone used ones of the Snowdonia youth hostels to sleep in. I really wanted a sleep before I got back to Kings. I wondered how they'd would be about somebody turning up 2amI remember some discussion about this last year. I think the conclusion was they would be closed.
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Has anyone used ones of the Snowdonia youth hostels to sleep in. I really wanted a sleep before I got back to Kings. I wondered how they'd would be about somebody turning up 2amI remember some discussion about this last year. I think the conclusion was they would be closed.
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In fact, deployment of a warm bivvy bag...
Has anyone used ones of the Snowdonia youth hostels to sleep in. I really wanted a sleep before I got back to Kings. I wondered how they'd would be about somebody turning up 2amI remember some discussion about this last year. I think the conclusion was they would be closed.
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Yes, that's my recollection too. (It also fits with my experiences of other YHAs - they do often have key-code entry, but you have to checkin at a "civilised" hour first.)
I guess you could check in on the way to Menai and get the code to get in on the way back, but WycombeWheeler is right - if you're aiming to still be in Snowdonia at 2am you will be pushing it to get more than an hour or so of sleep and not be out of time.Only places passed in both directions are dolgellau and penrhyndeudraeth. I stopped at Penrhyndeudraeth. I left my BnB at 05:50 and arrived at kings at 07:30. Official closing time was 08.24 so there was time in hand but they were closing down.
Yes, I was thinking that you would modify the route, giving the same or similar out-and-back. Not something I would do but it's a free route, and I hear quite a few people do the Northern loop in the opposite direction to the route sheet.Well you must go over llanberis at least once due to info control. Glad I didn't go over twice last year, cold wet and dark is not ideal for mountain passes.
Yes, I was thinking that you would modify the route, giving the same or similar out-and-back. Not something I would do but it's a free route, and I hear quite a few people do the Northern loop in the opposite direction to the route sheet.
... hence missing Pete's eats opening hours... sacrilege!What time do they close on a Saturday?
... hence missing Pete's eats opening hours... sacrilege!What time do they close on a Saturday?
As a (former) climber i've sometimes been tempted to make the minor diversion to see if they are still open - perhaps doubtful at the time I'm passing, and then thought, no, press on to free jacket potatoes at Menai
for info, only 10 places left for Bryan Chapman 600 in 2018 as at 4 October and event entries will close this weekend so earlier than shown in the AUK calendar
As I booked a bed at Greenman Backpackers (http://greenmanbackpackers.co.uk/) in Chepstow Mick (one of the owners) remarked
"If you know of any other cyclists needing accommodation, please ask them to book as early as possible as May is usually very busy".
I'll assume the same goes for other accommodation in Chepstow.
Wow, I ago away a few years and it becomes really hard to enter the BCM. Do I need to rejoin AUK if I want to ride it again in 2019 even if I am now part of the French federation?
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it's full now for 2018Phew....now I don't have to keep that do I/don't I thing going in my head.
Foreigners should contact Mr Tout directly.
How does one know if they are 'in'?
Looks like the auk regs need a clause banning time travel.
Login AUK site, then go on the BCM page... if you are in it will appear at the top in red "you have entered this event... blah blah.."
Also, the organiser sent an email around next week to confirm the entries
Who was Bryan Chapman?
I am in, first BCM.
I read somewhere the event has been held for over 30 years. I can't confirm if this was a true fact. It would be interesting to read a bit about the history of the event, and perhaps that could be added to the web page for the event for the benefit of future participants.
'twas the Anglesey & Back 600 in 1989
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS7WyyHl_ik
'twas the Anglesey & Back 600 in 1989
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS7WyyHl_ik
I read somewhere the event has been held for over 30 years.
I read somewhere the event has been held for over 30 years.
It looks as though 1984 was the first one, at least there was a 'Bristol DA 600' on 18th August that year, with 39 finishers, including Bryan Chapman himself, and Pauline Porter. I think it has run every year since?
I'm sure IanH will be along at some time to clarify. Bryan left us a number of years ago, in his memory the first year it became the BCM I believe procedes went to a suitable charity.
Until Ian comes along, there's this https://youtu.be/R8GoL8UzIj0
. . . . . . . . . . . . plete it and live to tell the tale (repeatedly) .... is there a badge ?
I'm new to this Audax caper and . . . . . . . . . . . ...
I don't have a cheque book, I don't know anyone who does have a cheque book. Paypal is not the only option, what about BACS, bitcoin, Monzo? Cheques are not free - ok they might be free to you, but they are incredibly expensive to print and process, that is not done by banks altruistically it's paid for by all of us. 3% of a lot of money adds up to a large amount, obviously, but it's still only 3% and 3% is not going to make or break anything either way. And it's even less when you factor in the cost of a C5 envelope, a stamp, running a printer...
You can request a chequebook to your bank... it might take a couple of days to get one... of course you had/have months to send your registration form. I don't think altruism is in the Banking dictionary... if they give them away for free it's because it would cost them more to charge. You pay for the stamps, but you would have to pay for them in the entry fee if you didn't, same for the envelopes... I would assume most people use C5 envelopes at their workplace? Well, I did.
Pre-addressed and stamped envelopes save time. Writing 200 addresses twice can be a PITA, would you volunteer to do it, in exchange for a paypal entry?
It seems to me you can't be bothered, which in turn it means you are not really that interested, which is (I think) one of the reasons the organiser does it this way.
I'm sure IanH will be along at some time to clarify. Bryan left us a number of years ago, in his memory the first year it became the BCM I believe proceeds went to a suitable charity.
Until Ian comes along, there's this https://youtu.be/R8GoL8UzIj0
I'm sure IanH will be along at some time to clarify. Bryan left us a number of years ago, in his memory the first year it became the BCM I believe proceeds went to a suitable charity.
Until Ian comes along, there's this https://youtu.be/R8GoL8UzIj0
Just to be clear, I did the BCM in 2013 and it did not snow
I'm not sure I ever remember it snowing on any BCM I've done
I think that the film doesn't make it clear but they are riding a homage to the BCM at some other time of year
You might be able to request a cheque book, but they are quite literally a foreign concept here. How are non UK riders expected to pay by cheque?
It would have been even more productive to ask the organiser before the event sold out.You might be able to request a cheque book, but they are quite literally a foreign concept here. How are non UK riders expected to pay by cheque?
I believe the organiser can be a bit more flexible for non UK riders. As ever, a direct email is probably a better way of getting a definitive answer than asking some randoms on t'internet.
I (and my bicycle) are now booked on the 18h45 train from Paddington that gets to Bristol Parkway at 20h06. That'll limit the amount of time I have to be social at the Boar's Head on the Friday night, which is a bit of a shame but that train was a decent chunk cheaper than a ~5pm train. Hey ho.
I (and my bicycle) are now booked on the 18h45 train from Paddington that gets to Bristol Parkway at 20h06. That'll limit the amount of time I have to be social at the Boar's Head on the Friday night, which is a bit of a shame but that train was a decent chunk cheaper than a ~5pm train. Hey ho.When are you travelling back? The return tickets have not been released for Sunday night. This is because of weekend engineering work near Hayes.
When are you travelling back? The return tickets have not been released for Sunday night. This is because of weekend engineering work near Hayes.
It looks like I've volunteered to help (it was the only way I could get out of riding this year), so see you all at Doll-ga-loo.Me as well, although I was never really considering riding but did want to be involved. I'm going to be in Aberhafesp and planned a little 4 or 5 day tour back to Essex after the event.
When are you travelling back? The return tickets have not been released for Sunday night. This is because of weekend engineering work near Hayes.
Yep booked with bike space on 8:30pm. I would in all likelihood make the 7:30 but I had to hurry last year.When are you travelling back? The return tickets have not been released for Sunday night. This is because of weekend engineering work near Hayes.
Tickets for the Sunday have finally been released.
Hi,
I have just got the route sheet and am trying to sort out the new section after new town. The instruction that is giving me most cause for concern is
15.3 RIGHT $ Llaith Ddu & follow to BWLCH SARNAU
Which I think is at 22.2.
BB
Hi,Yes, I agree. I had a go and it was the one I struggled with and my route currently has the right turn at 22km after Aberhafesp (the signage on street view fits with the description)
I have just got the route sheet and am trying to sort out the new section after new town. The instruction that is giving me most cause for concern is
15.3 RIGHT $ Llaith Ddu & follow to BWLCH SARNAU
Which I think is at 22.2.
BB
The route sheet has been sent out but there aren't any gpx files being produced as it is a Risk Management issue. Has anybody put together a downloadable route yet? Any help greatly appreciated :)
a tip is even if you need/want garmin navigation for some of the route you certainly don't need it for it all, so you can identify long stretches where you can turn your garmin off to save its battery, you can actually get round it on one set of batteries/charge by doing this even without particularly good knowledge of the route.
It's only easy if you've done it a few times. Then it becomes ridiculously easy.And remember that the route has changed, if it has.
But, you have to remember that in the dark, if exhausted and confused, things might not be so easy.
"15.3 RIGHT $ Llaith Ddu & follow to BWLCH SARNAU"
that turn off the A483 at 461.7k implies a visit to and info/cafe control at Bwlch Sarnau - adds 2.2k and 70m of climb.
Cafe *only* (?) open on selected Friday afternoons?
This is the RwGPS trace based on last year's routesheet which is the same as the one published on the Audax UK calendar event page. It is unchanged from 2016 (file has not been modified since 12-May-16).
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/20922029
You can export a gpx or a tcx from this with ease: (Tip: 'Export' tab in top right corner).
If an alternative e-mailed routesheet has:
"15.3 RIGHT $ Llaith Ddu & follow to BWLCH SARNAU"
that turn off the A483 at 461.7k implies a visit to and info/cafe control at Bwlch Sarnau - adds 2.2k and 70m of climb.
Glyndwr’s Way Cafe http://bwlchysarnau.org.uk/
Revised RwGPS: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/27369491
So, my understanding is that going via Hay + Gospel pass adds climbing but not mileage, correct?The BCM routesheet option is the revisited route out (from Boughrood/A470 junction) and from Llandrindod Wells to Chepstow that is 106k + 897m.
It appears from what I have read the odd individual has made some weird navigational errors in previous years.
The old (i.e. 2+ years ago?) BCM routesheet was very clear at the Aberhafesp bit. I think.
And the Bwlch control [BC400] is actually ON the A40, isn't it??
I think Manotea may have ridden too many events ... :)
It appears from what I have read the odd individual has made some weird navigational errors in previous years.
First time I rode the BCM I spent half an hour looking for this control. How I laughed when I eventually found it.
See also the control at Bulch on the Brevet Cymru. Both examples of Controls off/set back from the main route.
I don't think it applies so much nowadays as it's more recognised there are more new riders taking part, but go back a while and the attitude was very much that there was no need to signpost controls because, 'everybody knew where they were' and providing any route guidence beyond a basic routesheet was to be abhored as 'spoonfeeding'.
The old (i.e. 2+ years ago?) BCM routesheet was very clear at the Aberhafesp bit. I think.
And the Bwlch control [BC400] is actually ON the A40, isn't it??
I think Manotea may have ridden too many events ... :)
Well, it's at least five years since I rode the BCM ("Finally, Manotea has come back," etc.) so things may have changed but the sentiments stand. Consider it a well honed axe...
As I said, stronger riders like yourself might not understand the problem. The Bwlch control may or may not (nominally) be on the A40, but assuming it's the same one, it's rather dark and well set back from the road. Both times I've ridden the event it took me some effort to locate, and last time out at least, I wasn't alone. Ultimately we tracked it down by following the directions of riders leaving the control.
When it's stupid o'clock in the morning you can do without that sort of thing.
The old (i.e. 2+ years ago?) BCM routesheet was very clear at the Aberhafesp bit. I think.Either the bwlch control is no more or I am likely to miss it on Saturday. Is the a precursor to or alias for the llangatock control?
And the Bwlch control [BC400] is actually ON the A40, isn't it??
I think Manotea may have ridden too many events ... :)
As I said, stronger riders like yourself might not understand the problem.Aha - flattery will get you everywhere!
The Bwlch control may or may not (nominally) be on the A40, but assuming it's the same one, it's rather dark and well set back from the road. Both times I've ridden the event it took me some effort to locate, and last time out at least, I wasn't alone. Ultimately we tracked it down by following the directions of riders leaving the control.Don't worry, dear chap, I do sympathise. These things are always subjective; I *personally* don't recall a problem at Bwlch, but I will admit it doesn't exactly leap out at you, with a neon sign, and if you say you (and others) had trouble, I'm not going to dispute it!
When it's stupid o'clock in the morning you can do without that sort of thing.
Edit: FWIW I could always find the night time control on the Dean/7Across because the Orgs had thoughtfully placed a massive aerial on top with a light that could be seen for miles. That's the way to do it! Though the 7Across - now LWL - control has now moved to Lambourn. Will I find it? The nation waits...."NIGHT" control ??
"NIGHT" control ??
The old (i.e. 2+ years ago?) BCM routesheet was very clear at the Aberhafesp bit. I think.Either the bwlch control is no more or I am likely to miss it on Saturday. Is the a precursor to or alias for the llangatock control?
And the Bwlch control [BC400] is actually ON the A40, isn't it??
I think Manotea may have ridden too many events ... :)
As I said, stronger riders like yourself might not understand the problem.Aha - flattery will get you everywhere!
If you wish to check how excellent the directions to Aberhafesp were in 2015, look at the event website:The old (i.e. 2+ years ago?) BCM routesheet was very clear at the Aberhafesp bit. I think.
And the Bwlch control [BC400] is actually ON the A40, isn't it??
I think Manotea may have ridden too many events ... :)
Well, it's at least five years since I rode the BCM ("Finally, Manotea has come back," etc.) so things may have changed but the sentiments stand. Consider it a well honed axe...
. . . The Bwlch control may or may not (nominally) be on the A40, but assuming it's the same one, it's rather dark and well set back from the road. Both times I've ridden the event it took me some effort to locate, and last time out at least, I wasn't alone.
Whilst the beginning and the end sections seem straight forward I realised when plotting the gpx tracks the figure of eight route from Kings could if you blindly followed the track lead you into the wrong direction if one long track. I know nothing of the geography of Wales so none of the places make sense to me. Hence my splitting of tracks in 8. Also looking at Google street view to be vaguely familiar with where the controls are.
Perhaps an over reaction to lack of familiarity but the I know that feeling when you cannot find the control.
On BCMs of old (and possibly still now, not sure) it never mattered which route you took going North from Kings YH, indeed some people used to out-and-back along just one of the routes. (I've no idea if this is still possible as there may have been new controls/infos added or things moved around.)
I must confess to surprise that riders (relying solely on their GPS) are so unaware of the route they're riding that (for example) at the turn out onto the main road from King's, whether afternoon, or the second time in the early morning, they need a prompt as to which way to turn. Is (the inferred) reliance on the little device on their bars a healthy way to ride long distance? How will such riders ever develop/improve their navigational expertise? Maybe they think that with assured electronic assistance, such skill and practice are not needed in the modern era.Whilst the beginning and the end sections seem straight forward I realised when plotting the gpx tracks the figure of eight route from Kings could if you blindly followed the track lead you into the wrong direction if one long track. I know nothing of the geography of Wales so none of the places make sense to me. Hence my splitting of tracks in 8. Also looking at Google street view to be vaguely familiar with where the controls are.For the BCM I think I split it into two with the break at Menai. I just had to remember which way to go after leaving Kings YH as there's a bit of shared road for the inbound and outbound. (But then I was using a yellow eTrex H when I did the BCM with a point at every routesheet instruction.)
I must confess to surprise that riders (relying solely on their GPS) are so unaware of the route they're riding that (for example) at the turn out onto the main road from King's, whether afternoon, or the second time in the early morning, they need a prompt as to which way to turn. Is (the inferred) reliance on the little device on their bars a healthy way to ride long distance? How will such riders ever develop/improve their navigational expertise? Maybe they think that with assured electronic assistance, such skill and practice are not needed in the modern era.Whilst the beginning and the end sections seem straight forward I realised when plotting the gpx tracks the figure of eight route from Kings could if you blindly followed the track lead you into the wrong direction if one long track. I know nothing of the geography of Wales so none of the places make sense to me. Hence my splitting of tracks in 8. Also looking at Google street view to be vaguely familiar with where the controls are.For the BCM I think I split it into two with the break at Menai. I just had to remember which way to go after leaving Kings YH as there's a bit of shared road for the inbound and outbound. (But then I was using a yellow eTrex H when I did the BCM with a point at every routesheet instruction.)
"I know nothing of the geography of Wales so none of the places make sense to me." ! And they never will unless a map is consulted, either in preparation or on the ride. I think they are missing out on the exploration aspect of long distance cycling.
Not as bad as the letter in the previous Arrivée from a Mr J Churton complaining about newer riders ( ie. anybody under 60) and their bikes ::-)
I've been steering some of the younger (late 20s ) riders from my club towards audaxes and they love them. They are now members and receive Arrivée and several of them were astounded at the editorial decision to publish that letter, telling me that it would really put them off if they were considering joining. Frankly, I agree with them.
I must confess to surprise that riders (relying solely on their GPS) are so unaware of the route they're riding that (for example) at the turn out onto the main road from King's, whether afternoon, or the second time in the early morning, they need a prompt as to which way to turn. Is (the inferred) reliance on the little device on their bars a healthy way to ride long distance?
The old (i.e. 2+ years ago?) BCM routesheet was very clear at the Aberhafesp bit. I think.
And the Bwlch control [BC400] is actually ON the A40, isn't it??
I think Manotea may have ridden too many events ... :)
Well, it's at least five years since I rode the BCM ("Finally, Manotea has come back," etc.) so things may have changed but the sentiments stand. Consider it a well honed axe...
As I said, stronger riders like yourself might not understand the problem. The Bwlch control may or may not (nominally) be on the A40, but assuming it's the same one, it's rather dark and well set back from the road. Both times I've ridden the event it took me some effort to locate, and last time out at least, I wasn't alone. Ultimately we tracked it down by following the directions of riders leaving the control.
When it's stupid o'clock in the morning you can do without that sort of thing.
Edit: FWIW I could always find the night time control on the Dean/7Across because the Orgs had thoughtfully placed a massive aerial on top with a light that could be seen for miles. That's the way to do it! Though the 7Across - now LWL - control has now moved to Lambourn. Will I find it? The nation waits....
I must confess to surprise that riders (relying solely on their GPS) are so unaware of the route they're riding that (for example) at the turn out onto the main road from King's, whether afternoon, or the second time in the early morning, they need a prompt as to which way to turn. Is (the inferred) reliance on the little device on their bars a healthy way to ride long distance? How will such riders ever develop/improve their navigational expertise? Maybe they think that with assured electronic assistance, such skill and practice are not needed in the modern era.Whilst the beginning and the end sections seem straight forward I realised when plotting the gpx tracks the figure of eight route from Kings could if you blindly followed the track lead you into the wrong direction if one long track. I know nothing of the geography of Wales so none of the places make sense to me. Hence my splitting of tracks in 8. Also looking at Google street view to be vaguely familiar with where the controls are.For the BCM I think I split it into two with the break at Menai. I just had to remember which way to go after leaving Kings YH as there's a bit of shared road for the inbound and outbound. (But then I was using a yellow eTrex H when I did the BCM with a point at every routesheet instruction.)
"I know nothing of the geography of Wales so none of the places make sense to me." ! And they never will unless a map is consulted, either in preparation or on the ride. I think they are missing out on the exploration aspect of long distance cycling.
You are a fine one to talk about having a sense of direction.Were you in control of your bladder at that stage, or was it the KTM between your legs?
I'll never forget that time you charged off, on the wrong side of the road,* facing off a stream of oncoming traffic. ;D
*ST 09660 42596
You could still do the loop in either direction or even go over pen y pass twice, obviously you couldn't do the other half of the loop as out and back.On BCMs of old (and possibly still now, not sure) it never mattered which route you took going North from Kings YH, indeed some people used to out-and-back along just one of the routes. (I've no idea if this is still possible as there may have been new controls/infos added or things moved around.)
An info control at Pen-y-Pass has removed the possibility of out-and-back on the top section.
But in any case the route out through Barmouth and Harlech and then over the Llanberis Pass is just so much more attractive than the alternative.
You are a fine one to talk about having a sense of direction.Were you in control of your bladder at that stage, or was it the KTM between your legs?
I'll never forget that time you charged off, on the wrong side of the road,* facing off a stream of oncoming traffic. ;D
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You could still do the loop in either direction or even go over pen y pass twice, obviously you couldn't do the other half of the loop as out and back.Very true but
For those who would be at Bangor at sunsetnever managed that yet, and probably never will.
I've done several audaxes without a clue as to where I am located in the universe.But close to sacriligous on a route like BCM - to me anyway. I still look forward to spotting the summit of Snowdon appearing as a tiny triangle over the intervening foothills as I enjoy the late afternoon sunshine on the coast road past Harlech.
If you are anywhere near Retford that's probably a good thing.
Not as bad as the letter in the previous Arrivée from a Mr J Churton complaining about newer riders ( ie. anybody under 60) and their bikes ::-)James,
I've been steering some of the younger (late 20s ) riders from my club towards audaxes and they love them. They are now members and receive Arrivée and several of them were astounded at the editorial decision to publish that letter, telling me that it would really put them off if they were considering joining. Frankly, I agree with them.
There are a very few select AUK members whose opinions on anything and everything should be listened to with awe and gratitude.Noted: but on this particular occasion, James appears to have got his facts wrong.
BCM en route question, is there much likely to be open shop wise, garage, supermarket wise as we pass through rural Wales, particularly on a Sunday afternoon and evening on the last stage?After LW control (490k) there's Abergavenny at 553k with multiple feeding options to see you through to the finish. We stopped there to eat last year - Oasis Snack Bar (Bus Station) - you pass right by shortly after the right turn at lights in the town.
It seems the last stage is a long one and if you want food and drink on the way to Chepstow what are the options?
And the Mynydd Ddu Tea Rooms on the right in Cwmdu on the A479.BCM en route question, is there much likely to be open shop wise, garage, supermarket wise as we pass through rural Wales, particularly on a Sunday afternoon and evening on the last stage?After LW control (490k) there's Abergavenny at 553k with multiple feeding options to see you through to the finish. We stopped there to eat last year - Oasis Snack Bar (Bus Station) - you pass right by shortly after the right turn at lights in the town.
It seems the last stage is a long one and if you want food and drink on the way to Chepstow what are the options?
Not forgetting riders go straight past Saturday's first control 'Honey Pot' Cafe at Bronllys (523k) - open 9 till 9.
Right after crossing the A40 dual carriageway, on the turn to Usk (B4598) the 'Steel Horse Cafe' (@562k) is open till 4:30pm.
HTH
I was also wondering, is anyone eating out on the Friday night? I remember there being a couple of nice looking pubs in the Aust direction.
I was also wondering, is anyone eating out on the Friday night? I remember there being a couple of nice looking pubs in the Aust direction.
I'm riding out from London on Friday and staying at the Greenman hostel. It would be good to have somewhere to meet up for some evening conviviality but alas my knowledge of Chepstow is rather limited, so suggestions (and directions!) welcome.
I was also wondering, is anyone eating out on the Friday night? I remember there being a couple of nice looking pubs in the Aust direction.
I'm riding out from London on Friday and staying at the Greenman hostel. It would be good to have somewhere to meet up for some evening conviviality but alas my knowledge of Chepstow is rather limited, so suggestions (and directions!) welcome.
Hey I'm staying there too!
Apologies in advance for snoring
The change in route came when the org baton passed-over I think. The old route took you from Llangurig to nearly Aberystwyth and then on up the coast.
It now carries on to Llanidloes and then over the mountain to Mach. This is the highest point in the ride now and does afford one of the best vistas in Wales on a clear day.
Coming back it's the old route out of Newtown, but you don't hang a left up the climb and instead follow the A483 all of the way to L'dod. This gives a better final control.
On the whole they are good changes, but the one bit I didn't like is that it now has the hill out of Usk from Brevet Cymru fame as a final climb [although I think an alternative has been provided this year].
My burning question at the moment is can I be arsed to ride it this weekend as a helper's ride following back to back 400s the previous 2 weeks. Will sleep on that one a bit more but in any event look forward to welcoming you all at the Aberhafesp control where a warm welcome is assured.
AC
I'm at the Severn Travelodge so will probably eat at the Boars Head in Aust.
, that you have spares for things like... spokes ...
, that you have spares for things like... spokes ...
90% of spoke breakages occur on the rear wheel. If you don't remove the cassette, then you cannot replace spokes on the drive side and even those on the other side are extremely hard to route with the cassette on. To remove the cassette you need "non portable" tools... unless you are happy to carry around a chain whip, a large and heavy adjustable spanner and a lockring adapter.
If you use tubeless tyres, you can never replace a spoke during a ride, regardless of whether it is front or rear.
In essence, in most cases it turns out to be a waste of time
To remove the cassette you need "non portable" tools... unless you are happy to carry around a chain whip, a large and heavy adjustable spanner and a lockring adapter.
If you use tubeless tyres, you can never replace a spoke during a ride
, that you have spares for things like... spokes ...
90% of spoke breakages occur on the rear wheel. If you don't remove the cassette, then you cannot replace spokes on the drive side and even those on the other side are extremely hard to route with the cassette on. To remove the cassette you need "non portable" tools... unless you are happy to carry around a chain whip, a large and heavy adjustable spanner and a lockring adapter.
If you use tubeless tyres, you can never replace a spoke during a ride, regardless of whether it is front or rear.
In essence, in most cases it turns out to be a waste of time
None of this is necessary if you have a FiberFix emergency replacement spoke.
https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/spokes/fiber-fix-emergency-replacement-spoke/?geoc=US
Also, separate from Fibrefix...To remove the cassette you need "non portable" tools... unless you are happy to carry around a chain whip, a large and heavy adjustable spanner and a lockring adapter.
There are portable tools to do this: http://www.woollypigs.com/2011/10/meet-the-hypercracker/If you use tubeless tyres, you can never replace a spoke during a ride
You replace the spoke and then fit an inner tube.
Moving away from spokes...it's quite common to do LWL and then BCM 2 weeks later, I think its a good training ride with enough time to rest in between, as long as you don't overdo it in the meantime. It sounds like you haven't ridden BCM before, don't miss the chance it really is a spectacular ride. I honestly don't think it is hard as the statistics on distance and climbing make it seem.
feeling 50/50 at the moment... 50% of me thinks I am still too tired from my recent 300 HoE and 400 LWL and the other 50% thinks "just show up on the day and see how things go"... worse come to worst I could have an extended sleep at King's and turn into a very relaxed 400.
It seems a very different ride from either of the above... flowing main roads rather than lanes... I find lanes very tiring!
We all agree that DNF is better than DNS? :thumbsup:
It sounds like you haven't ridden BCM before, don't miss the chance it really is a spectacular ride. I honestly don't think it is hard as the statistics on distance and climbing make it seem.
A simple rigid spare spoke for the drive-side is made from a longer spoke with the elbow cut off. Bend a new elbow at the correct length, and leave about 7 to 10mm beyond.
To replace a broken spoke, simply unscrew/remove the broken one. Fit the replacement to the hub and bend the end down flush against the flange. Insert the other end into the nipple and tighten until the wheel is true. For normal road-rims it isn't even necessary to remove the tyre.
Having said that, I build my own wheels and haven't had a spoke break in well over ten years*.
*Hostage to fortune — I know.
The roads we are on, are they in the main quiet back roads or looking at some of the route is a good proportion main road due to the geography of Wales and being the only way of getting across the principality?You've been looking at the map again. Soon the geography of Wales will be familiar.
oohh just thought of another thing. Is there food at the start? I will miss out on my breakfast at the b+b I am staying at. Seems to be no McDs in Chepstow so are there any breakfast options?
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oohh just thought of another thing. Is there food at the start? I will miss out on my breakfast at the b+b I am staying at. Seems to be no McDs in Chepstow so are there any breakfast options?
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I've never been to an Audax where there wasn't food at the start...
, that you have spares for things like... spokes ...
90% of spoke breakages occur on the rear wheel. If you don't remove the cassette, then you cannot replace spokes on the drive side and even those on the other side are extremely hard to route with the cassette on. To remove the cassette you need "non portable" tools... unless you are happy to carry around a chain whip, a large and heavy adjustable spanner and a lockring adapter.
If you use tubeless tyres, you can never replace a spoke during a ride, regardless of whether it is front or rear.
In essence, in most cases it turns out to be a waste of time
As long as the spoke nipple has not disappeared in to the rim, you can remove the broken parts and screw in to the original nipple. No need to remove tyre / rim tape / sealant . :thumbsup:
As long as the spoke nipple has not disappeared in to the rim, you can remove the broken parts and screw in to the original nipple. No need to remove tyre / rim tape / sealant . :thumbsup:
Good luck with that... :thumbsup:
If you can do a 400 you can do the BCM
, that you have spares for things like... spokes ...
90% of spoke breakages occur on the rear wheel. If you don't remove the cassette, then you cannot replace spokes on the drive side and even those on the other side are extremely hard to route with the cassette on. To remove the cassette you need "non portable" tools... unless you are happy to carry around a chain whip, a large and heavy adjustable spanner and a lockring adapter.
If you use tubeless tyres, you can never replace a spoke during a ride, regardless of whether it is front or rear.
In essence, in most cases it turns out to be a waste of time
Sorry - that's wrong, if you are running tubeless you can replace the spoke during a ride (subject to which spoke of course, but that might apply to any flavour of wheel).
I have plotted the official route using the (not so good) routesheet (where some ditances are completely wrong in stage 7).You may wish to refine your approach to the Honey Cafe, Bronllys control, don't go so far down the little road at Menai Bridge, and (key point) have look at where the Aberhafesp control is - it's not in the village (which is where you've marked it). In the dark (since you are a racing snake insomniac) this would be a challenge, which reference to the routesheet might not sort out at 3 in the morning.
Route plotted here
https://www.strava.com/routes/13223216
I have plotted the official route using the (not so good) routesheet (where some ditances are completely wrong in stage 7).You may wish to refine your approach to the Honey Cafe, Bronllys control, don't go so far down the little road at Menai Bridge, and (key point) have look at where the Aberhafesp control is - it's not in the village (which is where you've marked it). In the dark (since you are a racing snake insomniac) this would be a challenge, which reference to the routesheet might not sort out at 3 in the morning.
Route plotted here
https://www.strava.com/routes/13223216
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/27369491
Interesting, the Strava plot suggests a far larger climb than RwGPS (8340m versus 6733m), much more like the AAA points awarded.
Mire generous with the route planning than with the elevation correction tool for ridden rides.I have plotted the official route using the (not so good) routesheet (where some ditances are completely wrong in stage 7).You may wish to refine your approach to the Honey Cafe, Bronllys control, don't go so far down the little road at Menai Bridge, and (key point) have look at where the Aberhafesp control is - it's not in the village (which is where you've marked it). In the dark (since you are a racing snake insomniac) this would be a challenge, which reference to the routesheet might not sort out at 3 in the morning.
Route plotted here
https://www.strava.com/routes/13223216
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/27369491
Interesting, the Strava plot suggests a far larger climb than RwGPS (8340m versus 6733m), much more like the AAA points awarded.
Ah, thanks for the Aberhafesp pointer... I got confused by the "5th left" and started counting too late.
Yes, Strava is very generous with climbing figures when plotting... assume it's down to wanting everything to look more epic ;D
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Something to consider on our little north south weekend?
Will there be a bag drop? I don't really mind, but it will effect my packing on Friday. I will just mean I have to carry a bit extra round with me. Shorts for second day, sleeping clothes that sort of thing.
Bb
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Bag drop
Helpers have again have kindly offered to organise a bag drop to King’s. Cost is £3. Please collect a label to attach to your bag. Anything which does not have a label will not be transported. Please keep it to Tesco size carrier bag – no holdalls or double panniers – one bag per rider.
Change needed for the Barmouth toll bridge? Do they take pounds or just shillings?Toll bridge? I recall using the cycle path on the vermouth railway bridge last year.
Change needed for the Barmouth toll bridge? Do they take pounds or just shillings?Toll bridge? I recall using the cycle path on the vermouth railway bridge last year.
That bit's OK. There's a cycle lane around the roundabout and once you're past the M5 the A38 is OK for riding.
You could go N to the B4057 and then take the Old Gloucester Road to Gaunt's Earthcott and over to Tockington if you wanted to avoid it.
That bit's OK. There's a cycle lane around the roundabout and once you're past the M5 the A38 is OK for riding.
You could go N to the B4057 and then take the Old Gloucester Road to Gaunt's Earthcott and over to Tockington if you wanted to avoid it.
Cheers Chris.
In your experience, do the cafes at the first two controls take cards or cash only?In previous years Honey Cafe (first control) have happily given receipts for £0.01 even if you don't buy anything, but they also set up a counter especially for those wanting quick service of just a hot drink and no food.
AND, since the first cafe' is "receipt from the till" rather than stamp on the card, nobody is stopping me from going to the garage/supermarket instead if there is a big queue, right?
That bit's OK. There's a cycle lane around the roundabout and once you're past the M5 the A38 is OK for riding.
You could go N to the B4057 and then take the Old Gloucester Road to Gaunt's Earthcott and over to Tockington if you wanted to avoid it.
Cheers Chris.
In your experience, do the cafes at the first two controls take cards or cash only?With your urgency, you'll be there (at the Honey Cafe) before there's any queue. But if you prefer, having turned off the main road there, you could head into the village 200m and patronise the garage shop there (opens at 7am).
AND, since the first cafe' is "recepeit from the till" rather than stamp on the card, nobody is stopping me from going to the garage/supermarket instead if there is a big queue, right?
With your urgency, you'll be there (at the Honey Cafe) before there's any queue.
Last year there was a reasonable group pushing 30kmh, probably about 20. But there was a tailwind on saturday.
With your urgency, you'll be there (at the Honey Cafe) before there's any queue.
LOL... ;D
These days there is always someone at the front pushing > 30 km/h so there might well be a queue by the time I get there
At Llanidloes (second control) it's a 'normal' town with several options. Last year I had spent 15 minutes in Rhayader replacing a parted FD cable so the Coffeebean Cafe was busy when I arrived. I got a pasty and milk at the Spar shop just north of the Great Oak St/Long Bridge St junction (imm on right).
As for the Honey Cafe, I'd strongly suggest cash. They pull out all the stops to get as many riders though as quickly as possible and I can't imagine having to fiddle around with card machines would be helpful.
At Llanidloes (second control) it's a 'normal' town with several options. Last year I had spent 15 minutes in Rhayader replacing a parted FD cable so the Coffeebean Cafe was busy when I arrived. I got a pasty and milk at the Spar shop just north of the Great Oak St/Long Bridge St junction (imm on right).
There's also a good little cafe on the same side as the official control but about 30 yards "before" it as you approach. A few us dived in there last year, as the Coffeebean Cafe was packed, and had a very good (but unhurried) lunch. The owner said that if he'd known the ride was coming through he'd have brought in extra staff and tried to offer a faster turnaround.
As for the Honey Cafe, I'd strongly suggest cash. They pull out all the stops to get as many riders though as quickly as possible and I can't imagine having to fiddle around with card machines would be helpful.
I am not vegetarian but this place nearly convinced me it was the way to go!
There's also a good little cafe on the same side as the official control but about 30 yards "before" it as you approach. A few us dived in there last year, as the Coffeebean Cafe was packed, and had a very good (but unhurried) lunch. The owner said that if he'd known the ride was coming through he'd have brought in extra staff and tried to offer a faster turnaround.That cafe/bistro closed recently. However I've spoken to the Great Oak Cafe which Tippers Kiwi says he used last year (a few metres further on from the Coffeebean on the same side) and they now know they may get some additional cycling custom (veg veg).
If you prefer to feel like an extra in a David Lynch movie you could always try the Hafren Bistro, round the corner from the Great Oak.
You may never leave in the form in which you entered, instead appearing as a principal ingredient in the 'homemade' lasagne.
you could always try the Hafren BistroThis is the one that has closed, to which I referred a little earlier. One meat replacement episode too far, perhaps.
you could always try the Hafren BistroThis is the one that has closed, to which I referred a little earlier. One meat replacement episode too far, perhaps.
The Great Oak vegan maitre d' was not complementary and I detected a hint of 'hauteur' in her tone as she confirmed its demise.
ok just seen the national weekend weather forecast. It says daytime temperatures hot, 20/21C in England and Wales, and dry. So if it stays like that how cold could it be on the overnight stretch out and back to Kings at altitude? Still close to freezing?Lot of pessimism around. Forecast is to stay dry and warm. Obviously it's colder at night but see these two sites which broadly agree: minimum 6 degrees overnight at Beddgelert/Trawsfynydd. Layer up and jacket and cap on for the downhill towards Dolgellau; and long fingered gloves.
ok just seen the national weekend weather forecast. It says daytime temperatures hot, 20/21C in England and Wales, and dry. So if it stays like that how cold could it be on the overnight stretch out and back to Kings at altitude? Still close to freezing?
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You aren't part of a camoflaged commando force exercise - you're cyclists! Be seen! Be proud!
You aren't part of a camoflaged commando force exercise - you're cyclists! Be seen! Be proud!
But if you have a rear light bright enough to land aircraft by, please don't set it to flashing mode.
There was someone on last year's ride who overtook me on the road back out of Menai and then rode about 20 ft in front at exactly the same pace. His light was so bright that it hurt my eyes and the flashing made me feel sick. In the end, I had to pull over and let him get far enough ahead that I couldn't see him.
Plus invariably they are clipped to a ‘bikepacking’ style saddle pack and pointing in completely the wrong direction, usually up into the eyes of the rider behind and not back down the road towards the traffic.You aren't part of a camoflaged commando force exercise - you're cyclists! Be seen! Be proud!
But if you have a rear light bright enough to land aircraft by, please don't set it to flashing mode.
There was someone on last year's ride who overtook me on the road back out of Menai and then rode about 20 ft in front at exactly the same pace. His light was so bright that it hurt my eyes and the flashing made me feel sick. In the end, I had to pull over and let him get far enough ahead that I couldn't see him.
Hi, I could not agree more. The current fad for using super high power rear LEDs and then in flashing mode neither aids safety or befriends other cyclists. This is for two reasons, firstly you cannot judge the distance to a flashing object and secondly because when you drive people steer with their eyes, you go where you are looking, so when distracted by a mega bright rear light the car will move closer. I will be using my trusty Smart 7 led lights that I consider to be well bright enough.
A few years ago on this ride I stopped at the side of the road for a few minutes to let a cyclist get away who had a 3w randomly flashing rear light. It distracted your attention and I hit a pot hole and while trying to avoid getting my retinas burnt. I also find riding in groups with flashing lights mildly hypnotic.
Brighter is not always better.
BB
Mutter, mutter, bloody kids these days, and they haven’t even got mudguards let alone proper flaps, mutter, mutter....
Coming back to overnight weather in north Wales, not sure if I have over reacted but have packed alot of winter gear in my Kings pack to get changed into and out of for the night section. Winter tights, extra socks, gloves and hat.
would hate to over heat until the sun sets but all the dire warnings of cold over Snowdonia have been noted.
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Here's a prediction: if you don winter tights at King's on the way out, you will boil in the balmy afternoon temperature (with a gentle following wind). After dark eg about 10pm, sunset is at 9:15
http://app.photoephemeris.com/?ll=53.118033,-4.127549¢er=53.1180,-4.1275&z=18&spn=0.00,0.01&dt=20180519222900%2B0100
it will cool but the forecast (multiple sources) is it not to cool that much. Yes, the fast downhills will be cooling, but not too much. There might be precipitation, but not as much as the perspiration implicit in dressing at 4pm for 3am.
Recommendation: Knee or leg warmers, [edit: arm warmers,] and long fingered gloves and maybe toe thingies (or even thin overboots) in the saddlebag and don those at Menai Bridge.
https://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Wales/Trawsfynydd/hour_by_hour.html
Sunrise is 5:11 in Dolgellau.
The 2am-5am "deadzone" effect makes 8degC feel like 0degC.
It goes beyond windchill or air temperature, it's your body, in sleep-mode, simply not generating the same amount of heat it would during the day.
I was totally (stupidly) caught out on PBP2015 by this. "It's August so it can't possibly be cold". I was freezing to the point where I was wasting time in Sports shops trying to buy bib-longs.
those at the tail end may want to layer up before the descent to Llanberis.On the plus side, after checking out the info control answer at Pen-y-pass before the cracking descent to Llanberis, cloud permitting, the sun will be right in the eyes of those riding down after about 8pm, so have the sunnies ready. And after about 2k (2 minutes descending) watch that right-hander over the bridge then left-hander.
The 2am-5am "deadzone" effect makes 8degC feel like 0degC.
It goes beyond windchill or air temperature, it's your body, in sleep-mode, simply not generating the same amount of heat it would during the day.
I was totally (stupidly) caught out on PBP2015 by this. "It's August so it can't possibly be cold". I was freezing to the point where I was wasting time in Sports shops trying to buy bib-longs.
At 2am? :)
Interesting seeing the other end of the field.
First rider through Kings 13:05 N bound and back S 19:56
Interesting seeing the other end of the field.
First rider through Kings 13:05 N bound and back S 19:56
Only interesting with mileages.
Well, that did seem like a good idea when I signed up...
Some stunning passes, a lot of pain.
Got to Kings at 10 PM and slept for 5 hours... set off again this morning, but the pace was no longer there... a very long 10 and a half hours to cover 220 km... the word "calvary" springs to mind. Finished at 3:25 or so...
https://www.strava.com/activities/1584821257
I thought the outbound leg was a lot more scenic, anybody else agree?
I find the revised route back via Llandrindod Wells a bit boring and traffic-heavy. I rather miss those roller-coasters on the road to Monmouth. .
I find the revised route back via Llandrindod Wells a bit boring and traffic-heavy. I rather miss those roller-coasters on the road to Monmouth. .
I agree. It was fine to Llandrindod Wells, tho a bit dull. After Llandrindod Wells it was busy (well apart from the Boughrood road), esp riding into Abergavenny. Next time I'd avoid the A40 and go via Gilwern. It improves again after Abergavenny.
I also didn't like the start of the climb out of Talgarth.
However the Staylittle option is much better than going via Bow Street.
Anyway great to see some familiar faces where my route coincided with the event. Didn't leave Dolgellau until about 9.15am so reeled in a few riders on the way.
My total for the weekend was 335 miles. Felt pretty fresh all day and really enjoyed the climbs.
I find the revised route back via Llandrindod Wells a bit boring and traffic-heavy. I rather miss those roller-coasters on the road to Monmouth. .
I agree. It was fine to Llandrindod Wells, tho a bit dull. After Llandrindod Wells it was busy (well apart from the Boughrood road), esp riding into Abergavenny. Next time I'd avoid the A40 and go via Gilwern. It improves again after Abergavenny.
I also didn't like the start of the climb out of Talgarth.
However the Staylittle option is much better than going via Bow Street.
I usually take the lane to the left of the main road. It's steeper but shorter and safer
Personally, I wouldn't take 200 riders down the South side of Gospel Pass, in summer, when they have 500k in their legs and might be sleep deprived. There can be debris in the road, walkers, loose dogs, cars etc.
As for the South side GP descent, the middle section gets very narrow, twisty, and can be wet and muddy, with stones and sticks. It might be ok for you, but you have to remember that some riders will not have had any sleep at all and could well have been on the go for 36 hours by that point.
The worst bit of the Newtown climb road is the early bit, before the diversion. Motorbikes hug the bends at high speed. Well before the turning the road widens and the sightlines are much better.“The worst bit of the Newtown climb road is the early bit, before the diversion.”
All but maybe 3 miles of A40 can be avoided by crossing the river at Crickhowell, then picking up the lane South of Abergavenny which emerges at Llanfair Kilgeddon.
The Talgarth main road can be avoided by taking the parallel lane that emerges at Pengefford.
Personally, I wouldn't take 200 riders down the South side of Gospel Pass, in summer, when they have 500k in their legs and might be sleep deprived. There can be debris in the road, walkers, loose dogs, cars etc.
I think the way back should go through Hay on Wye, which should be a control. Then some will choose to go up the pass and some won't... . . . and avoids that horrible stretch on A 40. It also brings the mileage up where it should. be at 600 Km.On the current route, the Aberhafesp control is at 440km. The Llanidloes Wells control is only 50 odd km further on and then 100+ to Chepstow. Here’s a route from Aberhafesp to Chepstow which is longer than the current route and rather than following the A483, and then retracing the route out (A470, the A479, A40, and via Usk) all the way home, from Dolfor it heads for Hay-on-Wye (as the control – almost exactly half-way): Aberhafesp, Newtown, Dolfor, B4355, Knighton, B4357, Old Radnor, B4394, Clyro, HAY-ON-WYE, Golden Valley (B4348/4347), Pontrilas, B4347/4233, Monmouth, B4393, Chepstow.
Just rode your route back to Parkway this morning. Very pleasant ride through lovely scenery. Definitely recommended. ThanksThat bit's OK. There's a cycle lane around the roundabout and once you're past the M5 the A38 is OK for riding.
You could go N to the B4057 and then take the Old Gloucester Road to Gaunt's Earthcott and over to Tockington if you wanted to avoid it.
Cheers Chris.
This is the track I have used for a few years. Avoids the worst of the main roads.
http://www.gpxeditor.co.uk/routes2/users/SteveFerry/SevernViewTL (http://www.gpxeditor.co.uk/routes2/users/SteveFerry/SevernViewTL)
BB
Middle Dolfor
A pack-away wind-proof/water-proof should be enough for any sudden chills. Or just pedal harder.
I really enjoyed being at the control in Aberhafesp seeing you all come through. The looks on faces of those who were early enough to sleep when they saw Duvets was brilliant.
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Posted on FB earlier today:
A friend of a friend has found a Garmin in Thornbury after checking it he thinks it may belong to someone in Chepstow,someone who has done a long ride recently to north Wales. Anybody know who this might be?PS it now* has a cracked screen.
Bit more than a sudden chill out there ! Forcast 6 degrees, got 2 or 3 degrees out there at night and in the early morning on the way to Llandrindod Wells
I think this is mine! Left on top of my car whilst I put the bike in the back.. not that I was feeling tired at the end of this fantastic event! If I could get my ride back I would be very gratefulPosted on FB earlier today:
A friend of a friend has found a Garmin in Thornbury after checking it he thinks it may belong to someone in Chepstow,someone who has done a long ride recently to north Wales. Anybody know who this might be?PS it now* has a cracked screen.
https://twitter.com/balancingonmy_/status/998487867730087937 Possibly linked ???
I sent Graeme a message.
Good-o! So now you know who to contact :thumbsup:I think this is mine! Left on top of my car whilst I put the bike in the back.. not that I was feeling tired at the end of this fantastic event! If I could get my ride back I would be very gratefulPosted on FB earlier today:
A friend of a friend has found a Garmin in Thornbury after checking it he thinks it may belong to someone in Chepstow,someone who has done a long ride recently to north Wales. Anybody know who this might be?PS it now* has a cracked screen.
https://twitter.com/balancingonmy_/status/998487867730087937 Possibly linked ???
I sent Graeme a message.
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It's always great to read people's accounts of these epic rides. Awesome ridding everyone! I was out doing a test ride of the 'This not a tour 600km' this weekend. It was great coming across some of the BCM riders. It kept my spirits up. If you saw a cyclist going the wrong way near or just after night fall as you retuned towards Kings, that might have been me. I've put a few words on the TINAT website if your interested. http://tinat.cymru/2018/05/21/600km-recon/ (http://tinat.cymru/2018/05/21/600km-recon/)James, it was nice speaking to you a couple of times over the weekend. Hope the event goes well.
Good write-up and I'm glad that you appear to have enjoyed the ride and the scenery at the same time as setting a cracking pace.
As for the BCM being "easy", well that's a matter of opinion. For some, perhaps, but these things are relative and it can be somewhat discouraging to newer riders to feel that their struggles are being viewed with contempt by old hands. I have always found BCM challenging. On the other hand, I'd consider the London to Brighton ride as a pleasant morning spin but wouldn't for one moment want to disparage the efforts of the many who take part and drag themselves across the finishing line, having never attempted that kind of distance or terrain before.
OTOH, I am sure that you will find the Pendle 600 to be a more challenging ride. I'm not aware of anyone claiming that to be "easy".
On the saturday and the Sunday, at no point did I feel tired at all. Average moving speed was 16mph. Heart rate zone was almost entirely Zone 2.Not interested in your "panache free" methods... ;D
Overdoing it, then cracking isn't panache ;D
I saw you do exactly the same on the Heart of England ;) ;) ;)
195 miles (To Beddgelert and back to Dolgellau) 7% in Z3. No time spent in Z4 or 5. Almost all ride was done with me pulling. Minimum effort on hills.
Overdoing it, then cracking isn't panache ;D
I saw you do exactly the same on the Heart of England ;) ;) ;)
Not learning from one's mistakes is what panache is all about... ;D
I have occasionally ridden with a bit of sense, but lately I have always come across some fast starts... it always seems rude not to join in and borrow some speed.
195 miles (To Beddgelert and back to Dolgellau) 7% in Z3. No time spent in Z4 or 5. Almost all ride was done with me pulling. Minimum effort on hills.
All I know about zones is that a travel card for zones 1-4 is quite dear!
Yes, but is has to be the right speed and rhythm, otherwise you end up paying it back with 50% interest later on...
It is worth finding out your max HR, then using an HRM to keep effort down on long rides. Actually it's quite useful on all rides if you have a fitness goal such as improvement or recovery. Otherwise it's all too easy to crack on in Z3 all the time thinking you are a beast but not actually doing yourself much good.
;D ;D ;D
Young and impetuous ::-)
;D ;D ;D
Young and impetuous ::-)
I can't see Panache on the finish list. Ironic really.
I can't see Panache on the finish list. Ironic really.
... where is the finish list?
Can't find it here yet
http://www.aukweb.net/results/detail/this/events/
I can't see Panache on the finish list. Ironic really.
... where is the finish list?
Can't find it here yet
http://www.aukweb.net/results/detail/this/events/
It's hidden away in the bowels of aukweb. I doubt it'll be public for a week or several.
the official opening time on the card was 11:22, but many of us got there well before that. Is it likely to be an issue with ACP? validation?
(https://i0.wp.com/whosatthewheel.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/brevet.jpg)
I didn't spot the Lion Hotel as it's down the side street! I was stumped by that question.
With regards to validation, the Llanidloes control on the brevet card was given at 161 km, but in reality it was at 139 on the official route. As a result, the official opening time on the card was 11:22, but many of us got there well before that. Is it likely to be an issue with ACP? validation?A few of the distances in the brevet were ones left over (ie unchanged) from the 2015 and years' previous routes (I'm guessing).
... where is the finish list?
Can't find it here yet
http://www.aukweb.net/results/detail/this/events/
The provisional results have now been publishedFTFY [/pedant]
http://www.aukweb.net/results/detail/this/listevent/?Ride=18-195
Yay... SR award is now official... ;DNearly..... very nearly :demon:
Yay... SR award is now official... ;DNow you just need a 1000km for the randonneur 2500
Can anyone shed some light on this? Hopefully the ACP Brevet number is just pending?
has anyone received their brevet cards yet?
Out of interest does anyone know the fastest time for the current Bryan Chapman route? Cheers
There’s a cash machine outside Tesco. I imagine there may be others.
The challenge for a fast time is not so much finding an ATM in Llandrindod, but having enough rations, warm clothing & caffeine to make it through the night from Aberhafesp the 100km + to Abergavenny where (as far as I'm aware) is the next 24hr petrol station.
Get your cheque book out
Get your cheque book out
http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/19-195/
Controls are the same, but I am planning a slightly longer way back to avoid the horrible traffic of the last 60-70 km...
Is Hay-Monmouth-Tintern-Chepstow a quieter route (Brevet Cymru reversed)?
Monmouth-Tintern-Chepstow was a lovely way to end the ride.
Over-distance for a qualifier?? There are plenty of easy 600s to ride if that is your sole focus.
I'm glad Ian H is riding. He was far too chipper at Kings this year. :)
Tempting, but having ridden it in 2016/17 I think I'll leave it to others. And since the last three editions have all been in fairly good weather we're now surely due a Welsh Armageddon weather-wise :demon: But I suppose one advantage of sluicing rain is that it may keep the motorcyclists home.
Move on prophets of doom... it hardly ever rains in Wales
Move on prophets of doom... it hardly ever rains in Wales
It rains ON Wales.
My cheque has been cashed a few weeks ago... still no sign of entry appearing in my AUK page, but I safely assume I am in... ;D
I note that the event page doesn't list the Max Riders Num; so he might be setting it at 51 ... ;)
I note the event page now lists the entries as closed. I sent my application off a few weeks ago but the cheque has not been cashed.
Would I have been told if me entry arrived too late and the event was full?
I got an email telling me I was in. Other options in the calender.Thanks BB I am aware of other options includong an intetesting one from Bristol that would allow me to sleep in my own bed.I note the event page now lists the entries as closed. I sent my application off a few weeks ago but the cheque has not been cashed.
Would I have been told if me entry arrived too late and the event was full?
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Hi everyone
We have now processed all the entries for BCM 2019 and the event is closed to further entries. This email is therefore confirmation that we have received an entry from you and you are on the start list for 18 May 2019.
We will circulate detailed information about the event nearer the time. There is only one planned change to last year’s route on the return between Talgarth and Usk which will divert off to the back road to LLanfoist and then through Chainbridge.
To avoid ambiguity, can I reiterate that your entry is personal to you and is not transferable. Similarly, the entry fee is not refundable.
One other point has become a recurring issue in recent years is that, if you ride the event with someone who has not entered, AUK regs say you cannot get your brevet validated. We always have people who think they can just tag along with their club mates but, if you are relying on BCM as a qualifying ride for PBP, take care with this.
18 May 2019
RT: "We will circulate detailed information about the event nearer the time. There is only one planned change to last year’s route on the return between Talgarth and Usk which will divert off to the back road to LLanfoist and then through Chainbridge."
I've had a go at the revised route "between Talgarth and Usk [via] . . . Llanfoist . . . Chainbridge". https://ridewithgps.com/routes/20922029?beta=false
It is marginally shorter than going through Abergavenny. I used this route - the revised section from the A40 at Crickhowell to the B4598 heading south to Usk - for the last (dawn) 50km of the 2016 Brevet Cymru. Good quiet roads, significantly so on a May Sunday afternoon when compared with the main roads the BCM routesheet previously guided us down and avoids the major treble roundabout where the (dualled) A40, the dualled A465, and the A4042 sort themselves out (with a B4598 option!).
There is a McDonalds in Llanfoist a few hundred yards off the route.
Talgarth, (A479/A40) Crickhowell, (A4077) Gilwern, (B4246) Govilon, Llanfoist, (B4269) Llanellen, Llanfair Cilgedin, (B4598) Usk.
It's a better choice than the main road. Surface is good enough, weeny bit steeper, but you'll get up it fine.
On the subject, anyone has first hand experience of the Old Pengenffordd road south of Talgarth? That would get rid of the nasty A 479 on the way south.I shall be taking that lane, based on plain @Flatus' recommendation a year (or 2?) back.
Anyone reading this thread 8 months ago will have had to read your unclouded comments on it. Looked lovely on the map to me. I also seemed to recall a lot of chat from you (before the ride) about going over Gospel Pass to make the ride longer and more audacious - any plans?
following everyone's advice, I have mapped this as the return leg
https://www.strava.com/routes/16879225
Talgarth-Llangors-Bwlch-Llangynidr-Gilwern is another option to minimise distance on A roadsTalgarth to Llanfoist
Talgarth-Llangors-Bwlch-Llangynidr-Gilwern is another option to minimise distance on A roads
In what way would one "get rid of a climb"? The figures I offered above suggest 7m of climb saved.Talgarth-Llangors-Bwlch-Llangynidr-Gilwern is another option to minimise distance on A roadsThat is one clever option... basically you get rid of a climb at the cost of only 4 extra km... :thumbsup:
Reuben’s 600, by the Amnesiac Auk (1993)
Reuben was born, as far as I am aware, in the village where he lives. He lived with his parents until they died, and is still in the same house. He keeps a dog, and, although he is careful about security and always locks up before going out, the dog-flap is quite large enough to admit a human of considerable size.
He has always been a cyclist. He never had a driving licence, though rumour has it that he once, briefly, owned a car, to the terror of his neighbours.
He gets by with a bit of poaching, and odd-jobs around the village.
His bikes are a mixed lot. His best bike was stolen from his shed, so he rides a nondescript road-frame. The time-trial low-profile frame he bought from somewhere and equipped it with a 24” front wheel. He had to use a BMX calliper on the front to reach the rim. Someone suggested that perhaps it was built for a 26” wheel, but he got a friend to cut down the forks and re-braze the ends. It certainly looks pretty radical now. An ever-changing selection of hack bikes, bought as bargains from here and there, complete the stable. Mechanicals are not his strong point, so they tend to leave his hands in a worse state than that in which they arrived.
Reuben’s nephew is often persuaded to deal with the trickier aspects of maintenance. For example: Having said that he needed a wheel truing, he arrived with a bagful of spokes, a hub, and a worn rim. On one occasion it was pointed out to him that the binder bolt was missing from the stem of his bike. Reuben said that, yes, he knew, and, in fact had removed it himself – the stem was seized into the steerer, and he was hoping it would eventually work loose if he rode around like that.
He had tackled the occasional 100 or 200k audax event. His tactic was to follow the other riders, as he found routesheets strangely impenetrable as to meaning. He has been known, in fact, to get lost during a 25m time-trial, more than once.
The pinnacle of Reuben’s randonneuring efforts was the completion of the Bryan Chapman 600 in Wales. He had never ridden so far before, though he was a notably strong cyclist. His nephew and others bombarded him with advice. A clubmate told him he would need a cape.
“I gave mine away,” He said, then, reflecting, “I’ve got another with a tear in it, though.”
Another said he needed lights. He had seen a chap somewhere with a homemade, double-sided Sturmey-Archer hub dynamo (two welded together). He spent weeks worrying, trying to remember who it was, and where.
The day came and he cadged a lift, very early on the morning, to the start. Assembling his bike, he discovered that the old Eveready with its plastic handlebar clamp did not fit with the barbag. He was dissuaded from attaching it to the fork, and it went in the bag.
We set off (yes, I was riding too – my first 600). It was hard work keeping Reuben down to our speed. If we had allowed him to drop us, our chances of finding him again would have been remote. We explained the need to conserve energy. On a mountain road not far from Aberystwyth the temperature dropped several degrees and a sleeting rain began. We stopped to cape up. Reuben, in a short-sleeved jersey, looked puzzled.
“I didn’t bring a cape,” He said.
We watched him turning a peculiar shade of purple, and shivering, as we descended. One of our group had mechanical problems and so we stopped at a bike shop on the edge of a town. The owner donated his Daily Mail to Reuben, who shoved it under his jersey.
Our journey continued. We took it in turns to shout at Reuben each time he started to increase the pace. It grew late and dusk came. It was time for lights. Reuben’s best effort was to strap his front light to the top of the barbag, from whence it beamed faintly up at the trees. He switched the rear one on; it seemed okay. We set off and it went out. His nephew rode alongside, tapping it. It flashed a few times, then finally stayed on, only to fade gradually to nothing within half an hour.
The lights of the control at Menai were welcoming indeed. It had started raining. We ate, and dozed for a while, then set off Southwards. I remember the strangely disorienting effect of bike lights dancing like flames as I climbed in front of a group on the Llanberis Pass. Reuben’s light, of course, was pointing elsewhere.
It was daybreak when we reached Dolgellau. I decided on an hour’s sleep and retired to a bunk. Being woken almost instantly, as it seemed, and having to pull on cold wet clothes, ranks as one of most memorably unpleasant events of my cycling career.
Downstairs, Reuben was sitting, glassy-eyed, his head drooping, then jerking up, repeatedly. I consumed a sizeable breakfast, wondering, vaguely, why he had not taken a bunk.
The rain had stopped. We continued. Reuben lost us on the climb out of Newtown, but we found him again on the descent. Eventually we came to the Wye Valley, and, suddenly, lots of traffic. Two youngsters on cheap mountain-bikes were climbing ahead of us. I tried, but failed, to catch them. The cars showed signs of impatience as we ground up the hill. A little later Reuben stuck his left leg out, pedalling with his right. He did it again. He repeated this, and waved his leg around in the air. He was suffering from hotfoot. It slowed him down, and the rest of us were pleased that we did not have to shout at him any more.
At the finish, we had food and a doze, and then set off on our various journeys home. Before we left, Reuben asked,
“How much did the bed at the hostel cost?”
“Nothing.” Was the reply.
“Oh.” He said, deep in thought.
I got the bug. He never rode another one.
A recommended detour: At Llandildoes, instead of taking B4518 past the Clywedog lake on your left, take the minor road to Geufron, through the Hafren forest . . .Good to get a bite from @158Tester.
There's another detour I'm also thinking about, coming south along the A470 through Dinas Mawddwy you can turn left at the roundabout by the petrol station onto the A458 then right onto a small road through Pandy. Cycled it recently and it is not a bad road
There's another detour I'm also thinking about, coming south along the A470 through Dinas Mawddwy you can turn left at the roundabout by the petrol station onto the A458 then right onto a small road through Pandy. Cycled it recently and it is not a bad road
Done it myself, but actually that section of main road doesn't really merit avoiding in my view. Its quiet, wide, and scenic.
Is the GPX of the route they emailed round a few days ago available online anywhere?
Is the GPX of the route they emailed round a few days ago available online anywhere?
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Is the GPX of the route they emailed round a few days ago available online anywhere?Who is 'they', please? The organiser has said: "Route: You can ride whatever roads you like as long as you go through the controls. There is no official GPS route."
Is the detail of the toilet issues in Dolgellau they emailed round a few days ago available online anywhere?
A recommended detour: At Llandildoes, instead of taking B4518 past the Clywedog lake on your left, take the minor road to Geufron, through the Hafren forest and emerge back on the B4518 just north of Staylittle. You could even divert from there to the lakeside car park, look left at the prominent tree with wooden gantry and watch the Osprey.Another recommendation for this diversion.
Has anyone ridden the road up the Nantmor valley towards Nant Gwynant (turning NE off the A4085 before Beddgelert) on the way north to Pen-y-pass? Bit more climb but avoids 7 miles of A road.
I'm not sure why you'd particularly want to avoid the A road that goes from LLanfrothen to Beddgelert though - it's hardly a busy road.If you are unlucky you might be passed by about a dozen cars in the whole 7 miles
Hahahahahahaha
I rode the main road last time and, yes. it was quiet. But I like the idea of diversions/excursions off the main road (this one's a mile shorter and 50m more climb) which, uphill, will take little more or less time.Has anyone ridden the road up the Nantmor valley towards Nant Gwynant (turning NE off the A4085 before Beddgelert) on the way north to Pen-y-pass? Bit more climb but avoids 7 miles of A road.Hahahahahahaha! Er, yes. It is indeed a little bit more climb. It is a rideable road (i.e. with tarmac). I'm not sure why you'd particularly want to avoid the A road that goes from LLanfrothen to Beddgelert though - it's hardly a busy road.
I rode the main road last time and, yes. it was quiet. But I like the idea of diversions/excursions off the main road (this one's a mile shorter and 50m more climb) which, uphill, will take little more or less time.Has anyone ridden the road up the Nantmor valley towards Nant Gwynant (turning NE off the A4085 before Beddgelert) on the way north to Pen-y-pass? Bit more climb but avoids 7 miles of A road.Hahahahahahaha! Er, yes. It is indeed a little bit more climb. It is a rideable road (i.e. with tarmac). I'm not sure why you'd particularly want to avoid the A road that goes from LLanfrothen to Beddgelert though - it's hardly a busy road.
And you can guarantee not being able to stop at the ice cream shop in bedgelert. Something to regret while toiling uphill in the roasting Welsh sunshine.I'm not sure why you'd particularly want to avoid the A road that goes from LLanfrothen to Beddgelert though - it's hardly a busy road.If you are unlucky you might be passed by about a dozen cars in the whole 7 miles
And you can guarantee not being able to stop at the ice cream shop in bedgelert. Something to regret while toiling uphill in the roasting Welsh sunshine.Regret not going to be an issue this year: Snowdonia warm but wet:
Hahahahahahaha
:) You on duty this year?
And you can guarantee not being able to stop at the ice cream shop in bedgelert. Something to regret while toiling uphill in the roasting Welsh sunshine.Regret not going to be an issue this year: Snowdonia warm but wet:
https://www.ventusky.com/?p=52.34;-4.27;7&l=rain-3h&t=20190518/1500
Hahahahahahaha
:) You on duty this year?
If I can be bothered to go to the shops, yes.
They told us it would rain before the i did the dragon ride in 2016, as I recall one of the feed stations ran out of water, and i had sunburn. I think i'll consider the forecast on fridayAnd you can guarantee not being able to stop at the ice cream shop in bedgelert. Something to regret while toiling uphill in the roasting Welsh sunshine.Regret not going to be an issue this year: Snowdonia warm but wet:
https://www.ventusky.com/?p=52.34;-4.27;7&l=rain-3h&t=20190518/1500
Depends whether (pun intended) you believe the Canadians or Americans?
https://www.ventusky.com/?p=52.34;-4.27;7&l=rain-3h&t=20190518/1500&m=gem
The passing of Doris Day has reminded me of the 2010 BCM.
https://youtu.be/dxHWajFKfRU
The passing of Doris Day has reminded me of the 2010 BCM.
https://youtu.be/dxHWajFKfRU
Looks like I rode it that year. Not sure Doris did, though.
The Norweigians also predict rain
The passing of Doris Day has reminded me of the 2010 BCM.
https://youtu.be/dxHWajFKfRU
Looks like I rode it that year. Not sure Doris did, though.
I always take any forecast at more than 48s with a pinch of salt, since the ride goes on to sunday, that means a friday check before drawing conclusions.The Norweigians also predict rain
Current Norwegian predictions are possibly some minor rain late on Sunday. But warm and light winds the rest of the time
The forecast Sunday morning fog may mean that lighting is required for a longer period than just sunset (2112 at Beddgelert) to sunrise (0512 at Dolgellau).
The forecast Sunday morning fog may mean that lighting is required for a longer period than just sunset (2112 at Beddgelert) to sunrise (0512 at Dolgellau).
Hmm. I'd better charge my dynamo then.
Are there showers available for use at kings?
Are there showers available for use at kings?
But you'll need your own towel.
7.75 hours riding
Are there showers available for use at kings?
But you'll need your own towel.
That's fine. Deciding whether to put one in my drop bag
Well, I rode from Dolgellau to Chepstow today. Left at 8am. 16mph average and a few stops, arriving at 5.20pm.
Well, I rode from Dolgellau to Chepstow today. Left at 8am. 16mph average and a few stops, arriving at 5.20pm.
How was Weobly?
Two riders back in sub-24 hours ! :o !
Yes I had a good rinsing just after the long climb. Rained hard for 8km then everything bone dry in chepstow.Are there showers available for use at kings?
But you'll need your own towel.
That's fine. Deciding whether to put one in my drop bag
Lots of showers between Abergavenny and Chepstow... some quite heavy according to Rainfall Radar... :o
The Wee McTaggart finished his first BCM in fine shape and under 36 hours on the tandem. We followed the routesheet lanes options and only four-footed it a couple of times.
How was your ride?
It was this good:
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It was this good:
I need toget outstay in more, I'm ow starting to recognise café tables and crockery. This is The Honey Café, Bronllys.
I've now done the BCM four times (2010, 2013 and 2018) and honestly say that this year's edition was the worst for weather I've experienced.
I am no so sad I stopped at a petrol station in abergavenny. Especially as their ice cream fridge was empty.It was this good:
I need toget outstay in more, I'm ow starting to recognise café tables and crockery. This is The Honey Café, Bronllys.
Exactly right! I bounced it on Saturday morning (although chucked a few coins in the tip jar for the water bottle refill) and whilst heading south from Llandrindodd Sunday morning realised a) my near future would be better if it included ice cream and b) Honey Café was perfectly placed before the next significant climb. :thumbsup:
I am no so sad I stopped at a petrol station in abergavenny. Especially as their ice cream fridge was empty.It was this good:
I need toget outstay in more, I'm ow starting to recognise café tables and crockery. This is The Honey Café, Bronllys.
Exactly right! I bounced it on Saturday morning (although chucked a few coins in the tip jar for the water bottle refill) and whilst heading south from Llandrindodd Sunday morning realised a) my near future would be better if it included ice cream and b) Honey Café was perfectly placed before the next significant climb. :thumbsup:
I've now done the BCM four times (2010, 2013 and 2018) and honestly say that this year's edition was the worst for weather I've experienced
If that's the worst weather you've seen on the BCM then I'd say your experiences are atypical :)
Yes the weather was perfect.
But I also personally felt cold throughout the ride.
But my companions were happy to ride in summer kit.
Ooh - fancy slipping that out while many of the usual suspects are somewhere in France. ;) A good day to bury great rides? :D
Ooh - fancy slipping that out while many of the usual suspects are somewhere in France. ;) A good day to bury great rides? :D
Well it's been "open" since a few days before the PBP but I expect everyone has had their attention elsewhere. Event Organisers don't make the calendar go "live" - that's a job of someone else in AUK - so even if you know it's about to happen, sometimes you don't realise it has till entries start coming in. It all depends on when people are able, and available, to do stuff. I suspect the volunteer who does this has possibly been on PBP and set it up before heading out to France. It's a very early launch this year, however about 1/3 of the places are already filled...
I'm sure it will fill up quickly as it is a great ride - I was up in North Wales a few weeks ago and rode the Dolgellau-Menai-Dollgellau stages in reverse for the fun of it ::-).So did you ride Dolgellau-Menai-Dollgellau instead?
I'm sure it will fill up quickly as it is a great ride - I was up in North Wales a few weeks ago and rode the Dolgellau-Menai-Dollgellau stages in reverse for the fun of it ::-).So did you ride Dolgellau-Menai-Dollgellau instead?
I'm sure it will fill up quickly as it is a great ride - I was up in North Wales a few weeks ago and rode the Dolgellau-Menai-Dollgellau stages in reverse for the fun of it ::-).So did you ride Dolgellau-Menai-Dollgellau instead?
Yep - it all looks very different when you do it that way round.
(In many ways, it was more enjoyable, especially not having to come to a sudden stop at the end of that little climb off Barmouth Bridge. I enjoyed climbing Llanberis from the north more, as well, but on balance I think going anti-clockwise from Beddlegert, as the BCM does, gives the best balance of pleasant climbing and fast descents.)
Ah, sorry I meant do the acknowledgements arrive by post or by email? Assuming the former as it was postal entry only, but due to an impending house move I was in two minds whether to put my current or future address on the SAE.Acknowledgement by e-mail. The single SAE (ETA: which is designed for the brevet's return, not to send back an entry acknowledgement slip) will not be used till June at the earliest (ime).
It's a well known minor and unimportant wrinkle in the AUK 'entry system' and only confuses (a few) people when they have to adopt an offline mode of entry. I really wouldn't worry - not your problem. It's a rather amusing 'reverse' of the "Oh goodness, how do you do this new 'computer-based' entry pallaver?" 20 years on.
How would you propose the organiser limits entry to AUK members only (or internationals on application), if they allowed online entry?It's a well known minor and unimportant wrinkle in the AUK 'entry system' and only confuses (a few) people when they have to adopt an offline mode of entry. I really wouldn't worry - not your problem. It's a rather amusing 'reverse' of the "Oh goodness, how do you do this new 'computer-based' entry pallaver?" 20 years on.Except that, it could be solved by allowing online entry.
*Hides*
How would you propose the organiser limits entry to AUK members only (or internationals on application), if they allowed online entry?
Having not heard anything since I sent off my Cheque in late Oct, is it safe to assume I haven’t got a place? Cheque hasn’t been cashed as far as I can see. 🤷♂️I think you are very likely to have got a place, Kev. Get training! The organiser completed dealing with the second batch of entries and acknowledged these on 29 Oct ("30 places left"). Likely your entry arrived in the post after this batch and the organiser will have waited a month hoping to get the final 30 entries before cashing cheques and acknowledging entries, rather than spending time doing that admin piecemeal.
How would you propose the organiser limits entry to AUK members only (or internationals on application), if they allowed online entry?
With the current entry system is not possible, but I am sure it wouldn't be a technological challenge beyond the scope of a quater of a million to introduce a function that only accepts existing memberships.
Internationals might be more of an issue, but how many riders are we talking about for BCM? Probably single digit that you can count with one hand... they could use postal entry
How would you propose the organiser limits entry to AUK members only (or internationals on application), if they allowed online entry?
With the current entry system is not possible, but I am sure it wouldn't be a technological challenge beyond the scope of a quater of a million to introduce a function that only accepts existing memberships.
Internationals might be more of an issue, but how many riders are we talking about for BCM? Probably single digit that you can count with one hand... they could use postal entry
Make it clear in the description that AUK are favoured and any non AUK entries are entered onto the waiting list. Non AUK if unsuccessful are then given a full refund; no transaction fees are applied by paypal for a full refund.
I assume your 'paid-up waiting list' mechanism for your 300 last month worked out then, Will.
How do you deal with the AUK site? You just modify them as DNE? Surely you don't want to pay 3 quid per rider if they are non-entries
Hi, wondering if anyone is in the know, and can help? I have sent off SAE and cheque, cheque cashed, but not received any mail to confirm entry. Am I likely to have a place?
thread seems to suggest I would receive a mail if got a place.
Many thanks. :)
Provided AUK’s restrictions come off before then, we will run BCM on the weekend of 4 and 5 July.
Provided AUK’s restrictions come off before then, we will run BCM on the weekend of 4 and 5 July.
I'd be surprised if the government restrictions have been fully lifted by then, but let's hope they are. Having ridden the northern loop of the BCM route while on holiday in N Wales last July, I'd suggest that doing the whole ride in July would be a much more pleasurable experience weather-wise than it has been each time I have ridden it in May. Silver linings and all that :)
The question is whether anyone will still be fit enough by July. If it does run there could be more than the usual full value riders out there.Loss in power compensated for by weight reduction? Reckon I could give it a good attempt in July. I'll probably be lighter than at any time since before my children were born by then.
On a clear still night in July/August the temperature in those northern Welsh valleys will be in single digits. Add that to a long descent when fatigued and you will still need some warm weather clothing. And that's if it doesn't decide to rain...
On my first attempt I was in a bnb in penrhyndeudraeth between 10 and 5, just squashed into king's before closing. So in July I could ride the whole thing in daylight, but just because it will be light at 5 doesn't mean it will be warm. Takes a couple of hours to warm up.On a clear still night in July/August the temperature in those northern Welsh valleys will be in single digits. Add that to a long descent when fatigued and you will still need some warm weather clothing. And that's if it doesn't decide to rain...
When I did it, I got to Kings at 10 PM and left at 5 AM... motoring a bit more and with 9 kg of bike as opposed to 12, I can probably get to Kings before it gets dark and at 5 AM is already light... a long sleeved merino base layer and a light windproof should be enough in early July
On my first attempt I was ...
I really like that :thumbsup:
Did you do it last year too ? If so I think I might have been chatting to you.On my first attempt I was in a bnb in penrhyndeudraeth between 10 and 5, just squashed into king's before closing. So in July I could ride the whole thing in daylight, but just because it will be light at 5 doesn't mean it will be warm. Takes a couple of hours to warm up.On a clear still night in July/August the temperature in those northern Welsh valleys will be in single digits. Add that to a long descent when fatigued and you will still need some warm weather clothing. And that's if it doesn't decide to rain...
When I did it, I got to Kings at 10 PM and left at 5 AM... motoring a bit more and with 9 kg of bike as opposed to 12, I can probably get to Kings before it gets dark and at 5 AM is already light... a long sleeved merino base layer and a light windproof should be enough in early July
I posted this doodle I did today in another thread, but it really belongs here.
The BCM 600 was the first 600 I did ( back in 2012 ) and so I hold a certain affection for it.
Barmouth Bridge, from the BCM 600:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49728524462_e617bd97ca_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iLkFNN)
Barmouth Bridge (https://flic.kr/p/2iLkFNN) by Ron Lowe (https://www.flickr.com/photos/62966413@N04/), on Flickr
Yes I did it last year the proper easy, sleeping at king's for 2.5 hours, with 4 hours less sleep than previously, i was only 2 hours earlier back at Chepstow. It wasn't worth it.Did you do it last year too ? If so I think I might have been chatting to you.On my first attempt I was in a bnb in penrhyndeudraeth between 10 and 5, just squashed into king's before closing. So in July I could ride the whole thing in daylight, but just because it will be light at 5 doesn't mean it will be warm. Takes a couple of hours to warm up.On a clear still night in July/August the temperature in those northern Welsh valleys will be in single digits. Add that to a long descent when fatigued and you will still need some warm weather clothing. And that's if it doesn't decide to rain...
When I did it, I got to Kings at 10 PM and left at 5 AM... motoring a bit more and with 9 kg of bike as opposed to 12, I can probably get to Kings before it gets dark and at 5 AM is already light... a long sleeved merino base layer and a light windproof should be enough in early July
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One more, I promise I'll stop now!
Again, from the BCM 600, Kings YHA.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49731996211_c47a29ca3f_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iLDtQx)
King YHA - Dolgellau (https://flic.kr/p/2iLDtQx) by Ron Lowe (https://www.flickr.com/photos/62966413@N04/), on Flickr
One more, I promise I'll stop now!
Again, from the BCM 600, Kings YHA.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49731996211_c47a29ca3f_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iLDtQx)
King YHA - Dolgellau (https://flic.kr/p/2iLDtQx) by Ron Lowe (https://www.flickr.com/photos/62966413@N04/), on Flickr
You should do a BCM "colour it in" page for Arrivée
I'm in a notional hotel in Harlech. Pan-fried mullet with beurre noisette and pommes de terre fondants nestling in my tummy, washed down with several pints of sauvignon blanc. There is a gentle breeze trickling through the volet windows as I settle into a warm bath, resting my toes on the gold taps.Ahhh, when I rode BC in 2014 I cooked myself to Llanberis and felt so rough at the petrol station just after there that I decided to DNF and instead found a fantastic b&b down the road, the owner of which kept the kitchen open in the pub across the road so that I could have steak, chips and a couple of pints of beer. After a superb night’s sleep, I rode to Bangor station and got the train to Hereford, which was a nice journey. I then rode from Hereford to Chepstow, stopping at Tintern station for a cream tea, and passing a few of the riders that had ridden through the night. Disappointed that I DNF’d and haven’t tried it since (successfully completed WCW600 a few weeks later), but a great weekend with fantastic weather nonetheless :thumbsup:
Thinking about all you suckers, struggling back over Snowdonia barely fuelled by powdered soup and cheap rice-pudding, all pale and sweaty and kidding yourselves with the false bonhommie with whatever pungent weirdo you picked up on the road to share your misery.
Choose life. Choose tactical abandon.
I'm in a notional hotel in Harlech. Pan-fried mullet with beurre noisette and pommes de terre fondants nestling in my tummy, washed down with several pints of sauvignon blanc. There is a gentle breeze trickling through the volet windows as I settle into a warm bath, resting my toes on the gold taps.
Thinking about all you suckers, struggling back over Snowdonia barely fuelled by powdered soup and cheap rice-pudding, all pale and sweaty and kidding yourselves with the false bonhommie with whatever pungent weirdo you picked up on the road to share your misery.
Choose life. Choose tactical abandon.
I meant to check the weather - what was it like this weekend? Was there a friendly wind that turned around on Saturday night?
I meant to check the weather - what was it like this weekend? Was there a friendly wind that turned around on Saturday night?Light to no wind on the way up, but not too warm (?16 or 17, less in Snowdonia). Light overnight (and mild). A developing westerly throughout Sunday, so help to Aberhafesp and then a lovely cooling crosswind till after the climb out of Talgarth, but then some help down and across the Usk valley to Bulwark. Moon not much help: 25% and not rising till 4am (cf last year's full moon, iirc).
I meant to check the weather - what was it like this weekend? Was there a friendly wind that turned around on Saturday night?Light to no wind on the way up, but not too warm (?16 or 17, less in Snowdonia).
Thanks... but mostly dry this year?The BCM that never was
Thanks... but mostly dry this year?Mostly dry describes both my BCMs, but in the short time it wasnt dry it was very wet.
Thanks... but mostly dry this year?Mostly dry describes both my BCMs, but in the short time it wasnt dry it was very wet.
Consistent with every bike ride I have done in Wales. I'm not falling for the wet weather myth. I think its spread by the Welsh to keep the English off their lovely roadsThanks... but mostly dry this year?Mostly dry describes both my BCMs, but in the short time it wasnt dry it was very wet.
You were lucky. Twice
Snowdon and lakes
Snowdon and lakes
That was a stunning day... we got so carried away that we even went to visit the Aqueduct on the way back... I really miss John's events... it's probably one of the reasons I lost my Audax mojo. Camping at Upton Magna, breakfast, the magic of lake Vyrnwy (which seems to be a classic control in his rides)... and it was a short drive away
Snowdon and lakes
That was a stunning day... we got so carried away that we even went to visit the Aqueduct on the way back... I really miss John's events... it's probably one of the reasons I lost my Audax mojo. Camping at Upton Magna, breakfast, the magic of lake Vyrnwy (which seems to be a classic control in his rides)... and it was a short drive away
I hadn't noticed that his rides were not being run anymore. Does this mean that the mille Cymru is over now? With LEL requiring now to commit too long before the event for me, I was kind of hoping that I might ridfe it again some day.
Snowdon and lakes
That was a stunning day... we got so carried away that we even went to visit the Aqueduct on the way back... I really miss John's events... it's probably one of the reasons I lost my Audax mojo. Camping at Upton Magna, breakfast, the magic of lake Vyrnwy (which seems to be a classic control in his rides)... and it was a short drive away
I hadn't noticed that his rides were not being run anymore. Does this mean that the mille Cymru is over now? With LEL requiring now to commit too long before the event for me, I was kind of hoping that I might ridfe it again some day.
Unless he makes a comeback... last time I spoke to him he was enjoying not organising... he might miss it at some point or not. As for MC1K, the idea was that 2018 was going to be the last of the trilogy.
Hi All, I can't seem to find the email from June, what date in 2021 is the hoped date for the event? I'm planning a tour and trying to not overlap for brownie point purposes!21 July e-mail: "Hi everyone Final update on BCM 2020.
Hi Andrew, I had confirmation from Ritchie this week that it has been cancelled. An email will be sent out soon. He has already booked next year's event in the calendar.
Hi Andrew, I had confirmation from Ritchie this week that it has been cancelled. An email will be sent out soon. He has already booked next year's event in the calendar.
Thanks elrogerio... gutted.
Apparently a new shared use path (Wye Valley Greenway) will be connecting Chepstow and Tintern via the Tidenham Tunnel from April but I have not found any useful information on it.
Hi Andrew, I had confirmation from Ritchie this week that it has been cancelled. An email will be sent out soon. He has already booked next year's event in the calendar.
Thanks elrogerio... gutted.
Or a lucky escape!
I have ridden a few BCMs and it is prettier going past Tintern, though the hills are a bit of a drag with tired legs.
Why not just go ahead and ride the perm .... entering Wales is permissible from the 12th of April, and 600s hopefully return from May 17th ... what are you all waiting for ?Here's the Permanent route: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/32249809?beta=false Obviously other route variations are available (eg Hay to Monmouth) but this is my best effort, and the route I'd take. As a Permanent (BR) with you'd get 42+ hours for the distance.
There are more 'views' to be had on the perm too ... and you all know what that equates to.
I believe (for what I've read elsewhere) that the A479 over Pengenffordd is still closed to cars (but sort of open to pedestrians?) - so still traffic-free. Google maps still routes you over it if you're driving, but Traffic Wales has it closed until October.
That is quite a different route to the calendar event when I did it 2019. I believe in went via Llanidloes and via Dolgellau on the way up and down. That looks a nice route though. I love the coast road round from Machynlleth to Dolgellau.
Edit: ok I. Int have misunderstood. I had assumed permanents were the same route as calendar events. I am a relative newbie.
Why not just go ahead and ride the perm .... entering Wales is permissible from the 12th of April, and 600s hopefully return from May 17th ... what are you all waiting for ?Here's the Permanent route: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/32249809?beta=false Obviously other route variations are available (eg Hay to Monmouth) but this is my best effort, and the route I'd take. As a Permanent (BR) with you'd get 42+ hours for the distance.
There are more 'views' to be had on the perm too ... and you all know what that equates to.
I believe (for what I've read elsewhere) that the A479 over Pengenffordd is still closed to cars (but sort of open to pedestrians?) - so still traffic-free. Google maps still routes you over it if you're driving, but Traffic Wales has it closed until October.
"Chepstow depart/arrivee: Usk, Rhayader, Borth, Barmouth, Caernarfon, Menai Bridge, Llanberis, Betws-y-coed, Dolgellau, Newtown, Llandrindod Wells, Hay-on-Wye, Monmouth. The route can be ridden either direction."
Going via Llangorse is 3km longer than the 'closed' A479 (landslip).
That is quite a different route to the calendar event when I did it 2019. I believe in went via Llanidloes and via Dolgellau on the way up and down. That looks a nice route though. I love the coast road round from Machynlleth to Dolgellau.
Edit: ok I. Int have misunderstood. I had assumed permanents were the same route as calendar events. I am a relative newbie.
Perms need to take account of commercial premises and their opening times for control receipts. Calendar you can be more flexible about control locations if you have volunteers to man them or you’ll know riders will pass a commercial premises during certain hours. Plus as above, routes change over the years but perm may stay as original due to constraints when nothing is manned.
So Kings great on a calendar event. Can you get a receipt at Kings any other time? Nope. So where are the nearest commercial places with reasonable opening hours etc?
I believe (for what I've read elsewhere) that the A479 over Pengenffordd is still closed to cars (but sort of open to pedestrians?) - so still traffic-free. Google maps still routes you over it if you're driving, but Traffic Wales has it closed until October.
That is my preferred route up the hill on the final stretch of the calendar event (where the return route boringly (imo) just retraces the pedal strokes of the route north the morning before). And with the current A road closed, there will be a fair few local cars/drivers using that high-hedged lane. It is very narrow, Ian, too narrow to ride past a car coming the other way.I believe (for what I've read elsewhere) that the A479 over Pengenffordd is still closed to cars (but sort of open to pedestrians?) - so still traffic-free. Google maps still routes you over it if you're driving, but Traffic Wales has it closed until October.At Pengenffordd there is a small lane on the right which takes you straight down to Talgarth. V narrow, beware of tractors & local traffic.
If you're thinking of a permanent, you need to know that Cafes etc in Wales open on 26 April but for outside service only. I don't think you can eat indoors as regulations are at present. Due for review on 22 April. Places to stay have to be self catering. It is a little sparse at the moment. indoors opening is sometime in May and hotels, B&B and other accommodation have to be ensuite to open now and otherwise after 17 May.If Ive read the new AUK guidelines page, 17th May is also when perms upto 600k that go in/out o Wales can be validated.
Think AUK is declining to validate events over 300k till after 21 June
Take sandwiches...
If you look at the full version of the calendar entry . . . you'll see that the date for entries opening is PROVISIONALLY 31 Jan 2022. We are not sure yet that the BCM2022 will go ahead. It will depend on a number of factors.Quote above edited. Audax UK calendar event now showing as entries provisionally opening 1 March (@ £65).
Therefore the date of 31 Jan for opening the entry is PROVISIONAL. We have not set the entry fee for the event yet.
Thank you
Giving this a bump as I have a place for this year's ride, which will be my first 600. Please post your top tips!1) After the first control, to get off the fast A470 on a holiday Saturday morning, take the 'back road' through Boughrood (east side of R Wye) - this is the flat route south 400km later and is about a km longer.
Giving this a bump as I have a place for this year's ride, which will be my first 600. Please post your top tips!1) After the first control, to get off the fast A470 at on a holiday Saturday morning, take the 'back road' through Boughrood (east side of R Wye) - this is the flat route south 400km later and is about a km longer.
2) 6.9km after the turn off the A470 (Dolgellau bypass), be ready for a counter-intuitive shift to your lowest gear when, going downhill at speed, you see the left hand turn road sign before the turn up to King's. Cycle 9ish hours and repeat; in the dark.
3) Make sure to count the parking tickets on the way up to Pen-y-pass.
4) The controls at King's, Menai Bridge and Aberhafesp all provide ossum food (thank you Ritchie, @catswhiskas and all vols). Don't plan on great sleep at King's, whenever you arrive.
5) Recommend the back road out of Newtown (L at rbt on the Middle Dolfor Road) rather than toiling up the bust A483. Shorter and climb is the same.
6) If more food needed on the final leg your options are Talgarth (Co-op) or in Abergavenny.
7) Recommend the back road out of Talgarth (Penbont Road) rather than toiling up the busy A479. Shorter, shadier, super quiet and climb is (obviously) the same.
8) Keep an eye open for the 'Warning Alpacas crossing" sign at the last col.
9) If you're going to use any drop bag option, choose a bag that colourfully 'stands out' from the crowd (and I put a reflective strap on mine).
Think Adam's videos are well worth a watch:
2016: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyotlUgS8FM
2017: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQeoid7Lb80
2018: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymPSayqyQb4
Giving this a bump as I have a place for this year's ride, which will be my first 600. Please post your top tips!
Thanks Catswiskas, I confirmed I've received the guidance and route sheet which is very helpful. The main change seems to be that the only catered, staffed controls are King's and Menai. Everything else is a free control. Plus no bag drop.
Bit concerned about your comment about "free controls"
Well, it did used to go through Weobly. And everyone would sit on the lawn outside the Spar eating ice cream. Happy days.Get back to your notional May 2020 food choices: https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=115672.msg2498407#msg2498407
Well, it did used to go through Weobly. And everyone would sit on the lawn outside the Spar eating ice cream. Happy days.Get back to your notional May 2020 food choices: https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=115672.msg2498407#msg2498407
It is )still) listed with 8459m of climbing, which means it ticks off the requirement of a 600km with 8000+m of climbing for the ACP 10000 award. If validated / sanctioned by ACP.Unfortunately ACP use a different tool to validate their climb, as such the BCM would need to be at least a 9AAA event. This will be considered for non PBP/LEL years; probably once every 4.
. . . the Menai Suspension Bridge (https://gov.wales/menai-bridge-closes-essential-maintenance-work) has been closed. It was closed to all traffic and pedestrians without warning on Friday 21st October although pedestrians are now permitted across in limited numbers. Cyclists are permitted to walk their bikes over the suspension bridge, but I don't know how the numbers are limited and I'm not sure what the provisions are for access at night. The alternative crossing is the Britannia Bridge but that is going to be busier than ever.Will has acknowledged on the other thread.
I'll review this between now and next May. I might have to keep the ride on the mainland and visit Caernarfon instead.
Does this also affect the Brian Chapman ride?