Author Topic: Training for my first 100 miles  (Read 13525 times)

Re: Training for my first 100 miles
« Reply #50 on: 20 April, 2014, 07:29:52 pm »
And have you just bought Charlotte's bike for this ride ?
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Re: Training for my first 100 miles
« Reply #51 on: 20 April, 2014, 10:41:23 pm »
She certainly has.  And I fully expect her to whiz round it at R17  :D
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Re: Training for my first 100 miles
« Reply #52 on: 21 April, 2014, 04:18:13 pm »
Coolio !!!
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Re: Training for my first 100 miles
« Reply #53 on: 21 April, 2014, 07:42:14 pm »
My stepson (then 18) did this ride last year on his Dawes Horizon, complete with 'guards, rack and assorted accoutrements. He commuted around 100-120 miles a week, and hadn't found time to do anything over 60-odd mikes before the Big Day. He was fine. He only remembered Box Hill because 'it had writing on the road'; the other hills made little impact. He's not a budding pro, nor is he used to hills (we live in NE Essex), and IIRC, he averaged about 14mph. He loved it. I get my turn this year...

Re: Training for my first 100 miles
« Reply #54 on: 22 April, 2014, 06:18:35 pm »
Yes, I now own An Actual Road Bike built by Charlotte herself. Embarrassingly I had to ask her, several times, to show me how the gears worked, because I've only ever had DT or bar-end shifters (or hub gears) on my various trusty machines.

I don't think I'd have gone out and bought a bike new, and there is still a bloodyminded part of me that would like to attempt to do it on the LHT, but having seen this one in the classifieds section, and knowing it was of excellent provenance (and likely to fit me) I thought it was well worth it. Plus my commute is going to get longer later in the year as we move further south, so this might be a good bike to use in nice weather in order to stop me bailing for the train.

Plus it's a damn good-looking bike! And who knows, being on a bike with decent brakes might actually help my confidence descending (the cantis on the LHT are not its best feature considering how it tries to hurtle down hills, and I usually get to the bottom of big hills with very sore hands.) But Aunty Charlotte has also warned me of the dangers of *very* good brakes and I shall take heed...

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Re: Training for my first 100 miles
« Reply #55 on: 22 April, 2014, 07:29:05 pm »
It's a lovely bike - have fun :thumbsup:
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Re: Training for my first 100 miles
« Reply #56 on: 15 June, 2014, 11:51:38 am »
A wee update for anyone who cares:

I had a break of almost a month while we went on a big holiday, during which my 'training' was scaled back to lots of walking and the odd pootle on Boris-style hire bikes. But I'm back on the bike now, commuting around 80 miles a week and aiming to do one long ride each weekend. Last weekend I managed around 65 miles, yesterday 75. Hoping to do more next weekend. The aim is now to do a long ride every weekend until August 10.

I'm getting on quite well with the new bike; I've put my comfy Selle Anatomica on it and the only problem is a bit of backache after about 25 miles without a break, which I think is probably my body getting used to having bars slightly lower than the saddle, and my appalling core strength. I'm also resuming my Yoga For Cyclists classes, which do a lot of core-strengthening exercises, as I stopped those to go on holiday too. I might start using the road bike for commuting on the days when I'm not going on site (as on site there is usually nowhere safe for regular bikes, hence the Brompton is useful - I work not a million miles from Brick Lane)

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Re: Training for my first 100 miles
« Reply #57 on: 15 June, 2014, 12:36:03 pm »
Good to have a rest. I'm sure you will do the 100 miles you are on the right track, jolly good show :)
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Re: Training for my first 100 miles
« Reply #58 on: 24 June, 2014, 08:18:32 pm »
So I'm going out pretty much every single weekend now, with progressively longer distances. I went out with Jane on Sunday. We cycled out to the Surrey hills, went up and down a good few, and cycled back. 85 miles (furthest ever in one go for me) and 5400 feet ascended.

Descending is actually not as bad as I feared on a racier bike, because the brakes work very well indeed and so don't make my hands sore from squeezing them (the Surly's brakes are not its best feature and require quite a bit of force once it's built up a head of steam downhill) and I'm less likely to panic.

I need to get better at getting my water bottle in and out on that bike though. It was easy on the Surly LHT with its ponderous handling. I've been practising on quiet/slower bits where I can afford to wobble around a bit, but I'm worried I'll take someone out on the ride itself due to being surrounded by other cyclists.

As I'd suspected, the gears on my new bike are a wee bit high for a weakling such as me. 38/24 is the lowest.

I got up most of the buggers, including Leith, but Coldharbour necessitated a rest halfway, and White Down beat me about halfway up and as I was seeing stars and feeling a bit like I might pass out, I reluctantly walked the rest of the way. Box Hill presented no problem and we did it twice; ok I'll never sprint up it like some of the roadies were doing but the fact that I can get up it at a steady pace is good enough for me.

Not sure what to do about the gears. While I think I can manage the hills on the actual ride on my current gearing - there's nothing like White Down on the RideLondon - I'm a bit worried about how I might manage surrounded by swarms of other cyclists, some of whom might be going slower than me because they have lower, spinnier gears. The bike currently has a lovely Campag groupset and I'm not all that keen on messing with it just yet considering it's barely been used...it'd be one thing if it actually needed replacing due to wear, but at this point in time I don't think I can justify the cost considering we are currently giving large sums of money to estate agents, surveyors and solicitors....

Perhaps I should concentrate on getting rid of that final 5kg of fat instead...

Re: Training for my first 100 miles
« Reply #59 on: 24 June, 2014, 08:22:30 pm »
Perhaps I should concentrate on getting rid of that final 5kg of fat instead...

bugger that - 30 quid should find you a cassette with a 26 or 27 on it.. (you can get 29s but they're a bit grumbly with a short cage mech, which I expect you've got)

good job on the distance!

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Re: Training for my first 100 miles
« Reply #60 on: 24 June, 2014, 09:25:10 pm »
38?!?  My *middle* ring's a 36!   :o

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Re: Training for my first 100 miles
« Reply #61 on: 24 June, 2014, 09:28:23 pm »
My middle ring's a 32 on two of my bikes :)
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Re: Training for my first 100 miles
« Reply #62 on: 24 June, 2014, 09:48:42 pm »
Racing gears, innit. Shame the bike has me as a rider instead of someone capable of actually racing!

The LHT has ridiculously low gears, but then it weighs considerably more.

Re: Training for my first 100 miles
« Reply #63 on: 25 June, 2014, 09:56:56 am »
A Campag 10 speed short cage rear mech will shift up to a 29T on the cassette but you'll have to be careful to get the chain length right and possibly adjust the B-stop screw.

It'd certainly be the cheapest way to get lower gears - replacing the cassette with a 13-29T one.  You could also try to source a Veloce compact crankset for a square taper BB but you might only be able to get a 2nd hand one.

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Re: Training for my first 100 miles
« Reply #64 on: 25 June, 2014, 10:20:26 am »
Brilliant stuff.  If you can do 85 miles including some tough hills (Whitedown is a real stinker), then you're going to be just fine on the RideLondon 100.

Bit concerned about my stoker - we need to get out on the tandem more and get it dialled in better for this ride. 
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Ooooh. That sounds like a daft idea.  I am in!

Re: Training for my first 100 miles
« Reply #65 on: 25 June, 2014, 10:34:44 am »
^  ^  ^  Wot he said.
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Re: Training for my first 100 miles
« Reply #66 on: 29 June, 2014, 09:47:25 am »
Still debating whether to get a bigger cassette...I might do, I think, as several kind forummers have offered to fit it for me (my fettling skills are limited to changing inner tubes and pedals and anything more ambitious usually ends with me throwing offending part across teh room and scaring the dog).

Did longest ever ride, 111 miles altogether, yesterday via a longer route to Cambridge with said kind forummers who were nice enough to let me tag along and slow them down. The biggest problem is my shoulders at the moment, after around 80 miles the pain in them gets quite sharp and starts to refer up the back of my head, giving me a headache. I am fairly sure this goes back to my core strength which I know is poor and so puts my shoulders under strain; I remember when I first started cycling even on my hybrid, the shoulder pain would start after about 30 miles. It does at least start later and later which supports my theory that it's a strength issue. At the moment I do a cyclist-focused yoga class once a week which includes exercises such as the Plank to help core strength; I think I need to be more disciplined about practising these exercises in between classes.

Re: Training for my first 100 miles
« Reply #67 on: 29 June, 2014, 09:53:25 am »
Shoulder/neck pain: change position frequently (tops to hoods to drops, or whatever), move your head around, scrunch your shoulders at intervals. Basically, any exercise that doesn't lead to falling off the bike - just don't get stuck in one position for miles.

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Re: Training for my first 100 miles
« Reply #68 on: 29 June, 2014, 10:07:23 am »
Also, pedalling harder tends to put less weight on your hands and shoulders (and bum). This is a major reason why racers generally find fairly extreme positions more comfortable than Audaxers do (along with often somewhat shorter distances).
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Re: Training for my first 100 miles
« Reply #69 on: 29 June, 2014, 10:10:00 am »
I also find rotating the bars back towards me a bit makes it less likely. All my bikes have bars tilted back more than normal.
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Re: Training for my first 100 miles
« Reply #70 on: 29 June, 2014, 08:49:02 pm »

Did longest ever ride, 111 miles altogether, yesterday via a longer route to Cambridge with said kind forummers who were nice enough to let me tag along and slow them down. The biggest problem is my shoulders at the moment, after around 80 miles the pain in them gets quite sharp and starts to refer up the back of my head, giving me a headache. I am fairly sure this goes back to my core strength which I know is poor and so puts my shoulders under strain;
I've heard this from a couple of people who have moved onto drops and went straight into trying long distances (> 50 miles).

I never had this problem, but then before I tried anything more than about 15 miles in one go I had had two years of commuting 2 x 10 miles each way on drops, and I am convinced my neck muscles were simply ready for the longer distance when I finally did one.
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Re: Training for my first 100 miles
« Reply #71 on: 10 July, 2014, 08:24:20 pm »
Missed cycle training last weekend to watch TdF in Yorkshire. We did hike to the top of a hill or two though...

My yoga-for-cyclists teacher has given me exercises to do on and off the bike which she reckons will help with shoulder pain. Swinging your arm while riding along is one, although it's a bit confusing for other road users who don't know what this strange signal means. I think the key is moving around/positions (as suggested above) *before* the pain starts...

I have my rider number now, and start time...it's all really happening! Argh!

I'm lucky in that one of my colleagues is letting me stay with her in Stratford the night before, otherwise that would have been 10 miles in my legs before I'd even started.

Oh, and if anyone takes pity on my struggle, and is feeling kind, you can sponsor me here:

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Re: Training for my first 100 miles
« Reply #72 on: 11 July, 2014, 10:42:56 am »
Re.  Shoulder/Neck pain.  I may have mentioned this already but I started wearing a BUFF (Cheaper alternatives are available) in almost all weathers to combat this.

It isn't a 100% fix, but keeping the air-flow off the back of my neck helps enormously.
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Re: Training for my first 100 miles
« Reply #73 on: 08 August, 2014, 11:06:56 pm »
Last Sunday I did a Surrey sportive as a practice run. It was 80 miles, with three climbs. I was doing the Long version.

I had to get a 7.10am train to get there. The stupid train took over an hour and had no toilet, which was unfortunate considering I'd necked a latte while waiting for the platform to come up. There were lots of cyclists on the train but none of them seemed as desperate for the toilet as I was, so by the time I'd finished they'd all left and I had no one to follow to the start of the sportive. I had a map and eventually I found my way to the start, where I found that there were no energy gels left because the early birds had taken them all, probably because they'd driven and got there much earlier. Which was a shame because I was looking forward to offsetting the entry fee by eating as much as I could. Nevertheless I registered, put the timing chip on my wrist and the number on my bike and set off.

I soon realised I was going to be mostly on my own. I overtook a couple of groups who were pootling along *very* slowly; they were probably on the short version. And then I was pretty much alone. I got overtaken by people much faster than me and soon realised there was no point trying to hang on to their wheels, which was also a shame because there was a bloody headwind. On the other hand, I found it more relaxing not having to worry about riding with people that I didn't know and had no idea whether they were sensible riders or not. Plus I'm a nervous descender so I didn't have to worry about getting in people's way.

The first 45 miles, while they weren't flat, were not too bad at all, and I did them in under 3 hours. After 40 miles I spotted my mum and partner by the side of the road; the sportive went within a few miles of my mum's partner's house, so they'd come out to say hello. I stopped very briefly to say hello and then carried on until the first feed stop. The gel-stealing vultures had already been, however, but there were bananas and cake left so I had some of those, plus some rice cakes I'd made the day before which are apparently what Team Sky use. I knew I couldn't hang around so having stuffed down some food, refilled my water bottles and used the loo, I set off again.

My body wasn't terribly happy with the 15 minute break, however. It's the first time I've not had a ride break that involved at least half an hour's sit down at a tea room or pub, and I missed that kind of proper break badly. Also, some bastard had saved up all the climbs for the last 35 miles of the ride.

The first one was Leith Hill. I've done Leith Hill before, with Jane, and though I was slow, I just about winched my way up it. I hadn't done it via Tanhurst Lane, however. I gritted my teeth and inched my way up, but then my front wheel started lifting (it was 23% in places) and although I managed to get it down again, about halfway up I had to admit I didn't have the strength, and walked it. Ahead of me were two other women walking it. Where it flattened out two of us stopped, ate some more, and complained bitterly about the incline. I thought I might have found some riding partners, except they were only doing the medium route. When one of them spotted that I had a standard double, she expressed surprise that I had got as far up the hill as I had.

I set off again, a bit cross at having to walk a small amount of the very first proper climb, but not too disheartened. My average speed had dropped quite a bit, however, and energy levels were low. It struck me that I'd not eaten anything like what I'd usually eat on a ride where we usually had a decent-sized lunch at a pub, so I ate a bit more on the move. Soon the second hill presented itself. This hill was long, but nothing like as steep as the first, and I cheered a bit as I made it all the way up steadily without stopping. Perhaps the first hill had been the worst?

The first hill was NOT the worst.

The first indication I had of the final climb was a sign warning that caravans & trailers shouldn't attempt this road because it was 27% in places. My heart sank. I knew I had sod-all chance of making it up something of that incline. I seemed to be cycling for some time before the 27% made itself known, and I started to wonder if it really existed.

Of course it bloody existed. It is called Barhatch Lane. If you're a masochist you should go check it out some time.

It rose up before me like a wall. I adopted my usual policy of getting into my lowest gear, pedalling slowly and seeing how far I got.

Predictably, I didn't get very far. By now my legs were saying 'So we've got 60 miles in us, you've not rested since you sat on the train, you've not really eaten enough, and you want us to get up this? You're having a laugh! We're going on strike!'

So I walked it. And it was steep, and it was long, and my shoes kept slipping where the incline was so steep. The fact that I was on my own did not deter me from swearing heartily and muttering to myself about what a ridiculous hill it was. At the top was the second and final feed stop. This time there was one solitary gel left!

I asked if I was the last one as I filled up my bottles and gobbled down banana and cake. They assured me I was not. The organiser was there and I complimented him on the signposting (which was faultless, I did not need to look at my map once). He said he'd had to put some up again because locals pulled them down. Just as I'd finished eating the people behind me turned up. Determined not to finish absolutely last, I thanked him, said goodbye and pedalled off down the hill. It was the kind of hill that Jane would like; steep, bendy, potholes, gravel. Lots of 'fun'.

I was feeling pretty shattered for the final 15 miles; the climbs were like nothing I'd seen (except perhaps in Wales) and they seemed to have taken every last vestige of energy. But I pushed on, finishing up the last of the food I'd brought with me. I rolled over the finish line 6 hours and 48 minutes after I'd left, which I'm not particularly happy with. I'm taking some comfort in the fact that for one thing I know I didn't eat enough early on, and for another I don't think the RideLondon 100 has anything as bad as the hills on that sportive.

'Did you enjoy yourself?!' asked one of the staff at the end brightly. 'Oh yes!' I lied, because this is the English thing to do. I had not enjoyed myself particularly - I've had much better rides - but it was very good training, so I got what I wanted out of it. But I don't see myself becoming a regular at these things. The organisers had promised lots of homemade cake at the finish, but the faster bastards had eaten all that as well. So after a little lie down on the grass, my addled brain somehow found me the way back to Guildford, where I fortified myself with a milkshake, and managed to find my bike a space on the train after a brief discussion with the owners of the Luggage in the space.

They have paparazzi at these things, and so this is me on my first sportive:

<a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/46480570@N05/14859466731" title="055A-CWSS2 by bartonlaura1, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3903/14859466731_d9357626c6_s.jpg" width="75" height="75" alt="055A-CWSS2"></a>

Look at how my face says I'm having a LOVELY time...

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Re: Training for my first 100 miles
« Reply #74 on: 11 August, 2014, 12:12:11 am »
Tanhurst Lane!  :o I rode down there on an audax two months or so ago, having ridden up the other side of Leith Hill (which is much easier) and that was nerve wracking. Hairpins, narrow, running water, and steep steep steep. As for getting up it - no way!

But the photo - I think you blend right in with all the mamils (wamils?), whose stronghold Surrey seems to be! Perhaps you need some club logos...
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