Yet Another Cycling Forum
Random Musings => Miscellany => Kidstuff => Topic started by: Wowbagger on 12 March, 2015, 02:16:49 pm
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Our daughter and her husband seem convinced that they ought to cut back on their 23-month-old son's naps.
This morning he was pretty grumpy and almost, but didn't quite, fall asleep on my shoulder. I took him upstairs and he happily dived into his cot, grabbing Mr. Duckie en route, and we heard no more from him until I'd made his lunch some 2 hours 20 minutes later.
He ate some fish fingers, carrots, peas and chips and promptly nodded off in his high chair. He is now slumbering deeply over my shoulder once again.
I am glad we are not staying tonight as well.
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I saw the thread title Randon in Kidstuff and though, "Oh, an audax for kids."
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mini-h was having afternoon naps well into his fifth year.
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Sounds like your daughter is keen for him to sleep at night more and during the day less, I can't think why ;D
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I've rarely found restricting naps to be particularly effective at helping night sleep. What you do outside the naps is much more important. Fresh air, exercise and swimming are the key.
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My midwife told me, and my health visitor later said the same, that 'sleep promotes sleep'. For my two, this proved to be true.
Also, tired children don't eat well and then hunger wakes them. The only times I really tried to restrict or delay or change their spontaneous timings of naps was when the Cubs were 'phase shifting' from, for example, typically three naps to typically two, or typically two naps (one am one pm) to generally one (which they would, if you weren't a bit proactive about it, take at lunchtime and then be crabby and hungry and tired all afternoon). The other classic with the EldestCub was the few months at around the age of three when he would happily go all day without a nap but tend to fall asleep at teatime with unpleasant repercussions for one's evening. My 'management' of all this consisted of shifting mealtimes a bit to accommodate (lunch a lot earlier for a while, for example) and to be judicious in the use of pushchairs on busy days to encourage getting a few Zzzzs at more convenient times - and discourage it at 5ish o'clock when on the way home from a day of playing.
The SmallestCub started at nursery at around one, much younger than his brother had, and was most disconcerted by regular nap times. As soon as he moved from the baby room to the toddler room he abandoned the idea completely - because he ain't daft and he quickly worked out that while all the other littlies were dozing, he could have all the nursery workers to himself to sit on his favourite people's knees to get read stories by them.
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Baby brother kept his afternoon naps for AGES as this allowed him to be up and about when Dad returned from work quite late and all could have family meal together.
He was articulate enough to say 'sleep, sleep, sleep sleep SLEEP!' if he was tired, which was much better than having a Grumpy Toddler.
A siesta is seen as normal in Mediterranean countries. Kids need them too.
Trouble is, interfering with/commenting on others' parenting habits is always unwelcome!
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It's all quite a long time ago for me (son just turned 21)- but I do clearly remember picking him up from nursery on many occasions to have the delighted staff tell me "he's had a great nap this afternoon- slept for 3 1/2 hours solid!". He was a very good sleeper my son. But letting him do this was a disaster for the evening and created a very very cranky baby/toddler the following morning because he didn't crash out like a light at 7pm on the dot like he needed to.
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I have just assembled a brand-new Islabike Beinn. it is for Martha's birthday on 27th.
I want to have a go...
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:thumbsup:
Lucky Martha!
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I have just assembled a brand-new Islabike Beinn. it is for Martha's birthday on 27th.
I want to have a go...
Make sure pictures are posted.
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It turns out that Martha is going to someone else's birthday party on her own birthday! This is quite good news as my birthday is the day before Martha's and I had intended to go to the (now cancelled) FNRtTH. However, I think that Mrs. Wow and I can either take the Terra Nova Space 2 on the tandem/solos for a jaunt around somewhere, possibly rail-assisted, or stick the tandem in the car with our giant Vango tent and use that instead. A long weekend appeals, anyway.
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It turns out that Martha is going to someone else's birthday party on her own birthday! This is quite good news as my birthday is the day before Martha's and I had intended to go to the (now cancelled) FNRtTH. However, I think that Mrs. Wow and I can either take the Terra Nova Space 2 on the tandem/solos for a jaunt around somewhere, possibly rail-assisted, or stick the tandem in the car with our giant Vango tent and use that instead. A long weekend appeals, anyway.
Aberystwyth via Bishop's Castle?
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It turns out that Martha is going to someone else's birthday party on her own birthday! This is quite good news as my birthday is the day before Martha's and I had intended to go to the (now cancelled) FNRtTH. However, I think that Mrs. Wow and I can either take the Terra Nova Space 2 on the tandem/solos for a jaunt around somewhere, possibly rail-assisted, or stick the tandem in the car with our giant Vango tent and use that instead. A long weekend appeals, anyway.
Aberystwyth via Bishop's Castle?
Now that is a thought.
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Martha's school is having a Science Week. Today Yaer 1 have been playing with non-newtonian fluids.
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corn flour and water paste. :thumbsup:
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corn flour and water paste. :thumbsup:
With a variety of food colouring just to make it interesting. :P
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Friend (Grandpa) Facebooked a lovely family picture yesterday. Family in a big bed.
Mum asleep.
Big Sis - about 21 months at a glance - playing with iPad.
Little Sis - 3 months - staring intently at Big Sis' iPad.
Grandpa states baby paid more attention to iPad than to him...
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A playground scene this morning, so no photos. M and I had cycled in on the Circe, which was parked. A pal of hers then turned up on her Islabike. M and the pal then stood discussing bikes whilst standing with/astride quality bikes. That is how it should be with Year 2 children! Start 'em young, I say!
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Mum informs me Youngest Grandchild (22 months) spent 40 minutes trying to open lock with a key and puzzling about it.
I can't imagine anything will be 'childproof' for him soon. I've not heard of a Tiny concentrating on anything for that long!
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This morning my grandson starts school and his older sister commences Year 3, ergo a Junior.
Four years old is ridiculously early to begin formal education, particularly for him. He is nowhere near ready.
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Mum informs me Youngest Grandchild (22 months) spent 40 minutes trying to open lock with a key and puzzling about it.
I can't imagine anything will be 'childproof' for him soon. I've not heard of a Tiny concentrating on anything for that long!
Mini, at the age of 1, used to spend hours fitting hex keys into the various bolts on my bike.
She has never conformed to the short attention span stereotypes and is now starting A levels with the intention of studying engineering afterwards.
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This morning my grandson starts school and his older sister commences Year 3, ergo a Junior.
Four years old is ridiculously early to begin formal education, particularly for him. He is nowhere near ready.
Agreed.
Local school kidnaps infants at three so they learn English. I'm glad I'm childless!
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This morning my grandson starts school and his older sister commences Year 3, ergo a Junior.
Four years old is ridiculously early to begin formal education, particularly for him. He is nowhere near ready.
We "home educated" our daughter for almost 2 years for this reason. It's one of the decisions I'm most happy with in my whole life! She had 1 month in year 1, the summer, and then started year 2 with all her peers. It didn't take long for her to catch up with the rest of the class, though the school she is in was probably crucial in that (they seem to take on a child or 2 who has no English each year!).
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Local school kidnaps infants at three so they learn English. I'm glad I'm childless!
In some primaries in Wales children start school in the term they turn 4, so most are 3 when they start.
(Primary education in England and Wales is not compulsory until the term after they have turned 5.)
For the vast majority of children nursery and reception class is just structured playtime. It's not really formal education.
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My son started school here just before Easter of Year 2. He'd previously done a bit of school in Poland, where 6 is the normal starting age. He was definitely behind all the other kids in reading and writing – not for language reasons but because he just had no idea how to write any words, as opposed to strings of letters – and I think also maths when he started, but soon caught up. As Greenbank says, it's really just structured play.
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My grandson seems to have taken to school like a duck to water and his smiley, immature cuteness has made him a great favourite amongst the adults he deals with. His language is considerably less developed than is normal for a 4 year old, but he definitely isn't short of brain power. His mum and sister both have acute astigmatism and he had an eye test a few weeks ago, identifying pictures. The optician was bowled over when he answered "orca" and "tiger shark" instead of "whale" and "shark",which were the answers she was expecting. He is also very quick with puzzles of any sort
When he speaks, certain unimportant words just don't form part of his used vocabulary - to, the, and etc. However, he recognises all his letters and is good at phonics. He is demonstrating what I think is a very unusual phenomenon - his learning to read is actually teaching him how to speak in correctly-constructed sentences. I think all the textbooks on the theory of language development say that this is supposed to be the other way round.
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He is demonstrating what I think is a very unusual phenomenon - his learning to read is actually teaching him how to speak in correctly-constructed sentences. I think all the textbooks on the theory of language development say that this is supposed to be the other way round.
Ah yes, the barakta principle.
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Another BMJ obit snippet:
... came home after a shift and found a letter written earlier in the day by 4 year old ****. “Dear mummy, I hoape you don’t git to tired at hospidol looking at the pashnts—If you do in the midol of a pashnt finish the pashnt then come home. Love from ****.” “With amazing maturity,” Turner-Warwick says, “she had understood the priorities.
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Not exactly from a kid, but from my son before he set off on his travelling:
"I'm not looking forward to the 24hour flight from Canada to Australia. I don't know why it's so long, they aren't all that far from each other."
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My grandson seems to have taken to school like a duck to water and his smiley, immature cuteness has made him a great favourite amongst the adults he deals with. His language is considerably less developed than is normal for a 4 year old, but he definitely isn't short of brain power. His mum and sister both have acute astigmatism and he had an eye test a few weeks ago, identifying pictures. The optician was bowled over when he answered "orca" and "tiger shark" instead of "whale" and "shark",which were the answers she was expecting. He is also very quick with puzzles of any sort
When he speaks, certain unimportant words just don't form part of his used vocabulary - to, the, and etc. However, he recognises all his letters and is good at phonics. He is demonstrating what I think is a very unusual phenomenon - his learning to read is actually teaching him how to speak in correctly-constructed sentences. I think all the textbooks on the theory of language development say that this is supposed to be the other way round.
Identifying different species of shark seems pretty normal for a 4 year old but reading better than speaking is curious.
Edit: Learning sentence construction from reading is of course normal for older kids and adults.
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It seems to be a little known fact that school attendance in England and Wales is NOT compulsory. If you start, then you would need to formally opt out - but it is a formality. You don't have to start.
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My grandson seems to have taken to school like a duck to water and his smiley, immature cuteness has made him a great favourite amongst the adults he deals with. His language is considerably less developed than is normal for a 4 year old, but he definitely isn't short of brain power. His mum and sister both have acute astigmatism and he had an eye test a few weeks ago, identifying pictures. The optician was bowled over when he answered "orca" and "tiger shark" instead of "whale" and "shark",which were the answers she was expecting. He is also very quick with puzzles of any sort
When he speaks, certain unimportant words just don't form part of his used vocabulary - to, the, and etc. However, he recognises all his letters and is good at phonics. He is demonstrating what I think is a very unusual phenomenon - his learning to read is actually teaching him how to speak in correctly-constructed sentences. I think all the textbooks on the theory of language development say that this is supposed to be the other way round.
Identifying different species of shark seems pretty normal for a 4 year old but reading better than speaking is curious.
I take it his hearing has been fully checked...
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My grandson seems to have taken to school like a duck to water and his smiley, immature cuteness has made him a great favourite amongst the adults he deals with. His language is considerably less developed than is normal for a 4 year old, but he definitely isn't short of brain power. His mum and sister both have acute astigmatism and he had an eye test a few weeks ago, identifying pictures. The optician was bowled over when he answered "orca" and "tiger shark" instead of "whale" and "shark",which were the answers she was expecting. He is also very quick with puzzles of any sort
When he speaks, certain unimportant words just don't form part of his used vocabulary - to, the, and etc. However, he recognises all his letters and is good at phonics. He is demonstrating what I think is a very unusual phenomenon - his learning to read is actually teaching him how to speak in correctly-constructed sentences. I think all the textbooks on the theory of language development say that this is supposed to be the other way round.
I take it his hearing has been fully checked...
Identifying different species of shark seems pretty normal for a 4 year old but reading better than speaking is curious.
Yeah, I was thinking possibly some speech impediment but hearing is probably more likely, if there is a physical problem.
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I note the rapid advance of marine biology among smalls following the advent of the Octonauts. We have been asked about some unusual denizens of the deep.
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According to Katie Hinde, PhD, a biologist and associate professor at the Center for Evolution and Medicine at the School of Human Evolution & Social Change at Arizona State University, when a baby suckles, it creates a vacuum in which the infant's saliva sneaks into the mother's nipple. There, it is believed that mammary gland receptors interpret the "baby spit backwash" for bacteria and viruses and, if they detect something amiss, her body will actually change the milk's immunological composition, tailoring it to the baby's particular pathogens by producing customized antibodies.
I just read this on farcebook. How bloody marvellous is that?
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Yesterday I ordered another Islabike for our grand-daughter.
The blue one. (https://www.islabikes.co.uk/product/bikes/beinn/?attribute_pa_size=24)
We are going to have a mint condition Rothan for sale soon. I just checked and new ones are now at £169.99. :o I think we paid about £120 for this one, new, just over 6 years ago.
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Blimey! That was quick! Their website said "out of stock" when I ordered it. Didn't expect it to be dispatched until tomorrow at the earliest. Now we have to find the opportunity to get back to Maidstone to deliver it. Could be tricky...
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My heart bleeds!
ENJOY!
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Our younger grandchild has just started junior school. His teacher, who holds a BA in Modern History & Politics, was taught these subject to A level by his mother...
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My grandson seems to have taken to school like a duck to water and his smiley, immature cuteness has made him a great favourite amongst the adults he deals with. His language is considerably less developed than is normal for a 4 year old, but he definitely isn't short of brain power. His mum and sister both have acute astigmatism and he had an eye test a few weeks ago, identifying pictures. The optician was bowled over when he answered "orca" and "tiger shark" instead of "whale" and "shark",which were the answers she was expecting. He is also very quick with puzzles of any sort
When he speaks, certain unimportant words just don't form part of his used vocabulary - to, the, and etc. However, he recognises all his letters and is good at phonics. He is demonstrating what I think is a very unusual phenomenon - his learning to read is actually teaching him how to speak in correctly-constructed sentences. I think all the textbooks on the theory of language development say that this is supposed to be the other way round.
Identifying different species of shark seems pretty normal for a 4 year old but reading better than speaking is curious.
I take it his hearing has been fully checked...
Rather belatedly, he is about to start a course of treatment designed to correct Auditory Processing Disorder.
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My grandson seems to have taken to school like a duck to water and his smiley, immature cuteness has made him a great favourite amongst the adults he deals with. His language is considerably less developed than is normal for a 4 year old, but he definitely isn't short of brain power. His mum and sister both have acute astigmatism and he had an eye test a few weeks ago, identifying pictures. The optician was bowled over when he answered "orca" and "tiger shark" instead of "whale" and "shark",which were the answers she was expecting. He is also very quick with puzzles of any sort
When he speaks, certain unimportant words just don't form part of his used vocabulary - to, the, and etc. However, he recognises all his letters and is good at phonics. He is demonstrating what I think is a very unusual phenomenon - his learning to read is actually teaching him how to speak in correctly-constructed sentences. I think all the textbooks on the theory of language development say that this is supposed to be the other way round.
Identifying different species of shark seems pretty normal for a 4 year old but reading better than speaking is curious.
I take it his hearing has been fully checked...
Rather belatedly, he is about to start a course of treatment designed to correct Auditory Processing Disorder.
*looks at dates on the above posts*
*sighs deeply*
(I wasn't aware that it CAPD could be corrected - beyond speech therapy type exercises. Presumably it's mostly teaching the usual strategies for manipulating Stupid Hearing People into being clear.)
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Good luck to the Wowlet and all around him.
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My grandson seems to have taken to school like a duck to water and his smiley, immature cuteness has made him a great favourite amongst the adults he deals with. His language is considerably less developed than is normal for a 4 year old, but he definitely isn't short of brain power. His mum and sister both have acute astigmatism and he had an eye test a few weeks ago, identifying pictures. The optician was bowled over when he answered "orca" and "tiger shark" instead of "whale" and "shark",which were the answers she was expecting. He is also very quick with puzzles of any sort
When he speaks, certain unimportant words just don't form part of his used vocabulary - to, the, and etc. However, he recognises all his letters and is good at phonics. He is demonstrating what I think is a very unusual phenomenon - his learning to read is actually teaching him how to speak in correctly-constructed sentences. I think all the textbooks on the theory of language development say that this is supposed to be the other way round.
Identifying different species of shark seems pretty normal for a 4 year old but reading better than speaking is curious.
I take it his hearing has been fully checked...
Rather belatedly, he is about to start a course of treatment designed to correct Auditory Processing Disorder.
*looks at dates on the above posts*
*sighs deeply*
(I wasn't aware that it CAPD could be corrected - beyond speech therapy type exercises. Presumably it's mostly teaching the usual strategies for manipulating Stupid Hearing People into being clear.)
I can report that the treatment has been remarkably successful and Inigo's speech, and general ability to express himself, is now much better. He continues with therapy until December. It isn't cheap. Posthumous thanks to Phyllis.
My daughter is of the opinion that a large percentage of children being drugged up with ritalin for ADHD actually don't have ADHD but auditory processing disorder. She noticed this when she was teaching kids online and that those wearing headphones were often more attentive and successful than they had been in face-to-face lessons. She has conducted a few face-to-face experiments with kids diagnosed with ADHD and she finds that when wearing headphones - ie cutting out background noise - suddenly their attention span increases markedly.
Of course, kids in the state sector with APD will be in a far worse position than those in a private school as the classes are much larger and the level of background noise is consequently much greater. Now that Inigo has been diagnosed with APD, he should be statemented and have extra resources allocated to him, but there's some sort of Catch-22 whereby it wasn't diagnosed by the Ed Psych attached to his school and therefore he won't get a statement and the extra funding. I think it couldn't be diagnosed by the school's Ed Psych because everyone was in lockdown and kids weren't being seen.
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Big ADHD-Autism crossover and Sensory issues are common with both (both my autistic children have SPD). Just picked up on this thread, saw your initial post about grandson not using "the" and thought - that's like my son (who also shows a number of Autistic characteristics, but has not been diagnosed).
I think that what your daughter found does not necessarily suggest that it's not a neurodiverse issue, just that reducing/selecting sound helps.
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Big ADHD-Autism crossover and Sensory issues are common with both (both my autistic children have SPD). Just picked up on this thread, saw your initial post about grandson not using "the" and thought - that's like my son (who also shows a number of Autistic characteristics, but has not been diagnosed).
I think that what your daughter found does not necessarily suggest that it's not a neurodiverse issue, just that reducing/selecting sound helps.
Agreed. She thinks it's worth a serious study though, and through grandson's treatment she has made contact with the sort of people who might be in a position to make this happen. It seems to me that clinicians treating APD are few and far between, and we know that Big Pharma likes to stuff people with tablets and then give a slice of the profits to the tory party.
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My daughter is of the opinion that a large percentage of children being drugged up with ritalin for ADHD actually don't have ADHD but auditory processing disorder. She noticed this when she was teaching kids online and that those wearing headphones were often more attentive and successful than they had been in face-to-face lessons. She has conducted a few face-to-face experiments with kids diagnosed with ADHD and she finds that when wearing headphones - ie cutting out background noise - suddenly their attention span increases markedly.
I think it's well-established that improving the signal-to-noise ratio benefits more than those with physical hearing impairments. Radio aids for non-hearing-aid-users are increasingly a thing. Also look up "sound field system".
Also consider that the easiest way to improve the SNR for everyone in a classroom environment involves Sensible Architectural Decisions, soft furnishings that are harder to clean, acoustic panelling, etc. How much room in the budget there is for that sort of thing outside the occasional deaf unit or purpose-built music department left as an exercise for the reader...
(Also note the benefits of wearing active noise-cancelling headphones (rather than those that simply attenuate all sounds) with no input signal in a noisy face-to-face environment. If you haven't experienced the effect, it's uncanny. It's like someone turned down the "crowd noise" fader on the mixing desk. They're being routinely used by people with auditory processing and/or overstimulation issues to cope with crowded environments.)
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Purpose-built music department? You're either thinking of private schools or a previous century.
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Purpose-built music department? You're either thinking of private schools or a previous century.
Indeed. Same probably goes for deaf units, tbh.
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It seems to have occurred very abruptly, but yesterday my grand-daughter started secondary school.
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I looked on Gumtree for any sign of D's stolen wheels locally.
Seems somebody is selling a whole stable of Islabikes in Edgware.