Author Topic: The TT Thread  (Read 417376 times)

felstedrider

Re: The TT Thread
« Reply #2575 on: 05 December, 2022, 01:06:57 pm »
There's a thread on the TT forum about how the AGM went yesterday.   You need to know the proposal numbers to work your way through.

http://www.timetriallingforum.co.uk/index.php?/topic/143808-ctt-agm-national-council/

Notfromrugby

Re: The TT Thread
« Reply #2576 on: 05 December, 2022, 01:26:45 pm »
Marcin passed me in a 100 once.  I did a 3:45 and it was like I was standing still.  Unfortunately he was DQ’d for going off course.  He broke the record on a different course a month later.

The point is that when he did the 10 record, he broke it by 45 seconds... which is an immense amount, it means 4.5 seconds per mile, it's the difference between a top class time triallist and a decent domestique at the Tour. That can only happen if you find some "help" along the way... being that the perfect string of trucks, the perfect weather conditions with high temperature and high humidity but low pressure... all of which put the time on the shelves until someone else of a similar calibre finds an even better day.

But this is the history of the sport.  Engers took 1.5 mins off the 25 record and it stood for 12 years.  After a couple of changes, Boardman took another 2 mins off and that record stood for 16 years.   You see a generational shift.   I think the difference for me was how good Marcin was over such a range of distances/times.   Training for a 10 and training for a 100 are different things.   How fast would he have been if he specialised ?

I don't know... normally the best at 10 is also the best at 25 and likely to be the best at 50 and 100 if they have the inclination... it's only with the 12h that things change.
I would argue that the obsession for fixed distances and records is what we have to overcome for the sport to survive. Courses are disappearing... in the K district we have just lost our last fast course, as a result of a fatal accident... it's a matter of time before we lose the other DC course (which is not as fast) and then we are left with courses which are not viable for anyone seeking a PB. So then what? If people don't change their mindset, they'll have to travel further and further to find the last few viable courses... it's unsustainable

felstedrider

Re: The TT Thread
« Reply #2577 on: 05 December, 2022, 02:18:09 pm »

I don't know... normally the best at 10 is also the best at 25 and likely to be the best at 50 and 100 if they have the inclination... it's only with the 12h that things change.


Efforts for a 10 and a 100 are quite different (10 is an over-threshold effort, 100 is tempo) and require different training, fuelling etc.   As Andrew Coggan preaches...specificity, specificity, specificity.......

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Re: The TT Thread
« Reply #2578 on: 05 December, 2022, 02:44:27 pm »
Only Liverpool voted for the recumbent proposal.

What a shame.  As with helmets, lights, 3cm and the rest, CTT continue to uphold the principle that 'safety' issues are best dealt with by uninformed speculation. 

[EDIT: I see they voted down the lights in hillclimbs proposal too.]

Notfromrugby

Re: The TT Thread
« Reply #2579 on: 05 December, 2022, 05:50:00 pm »
Only Liverpool voted for the recumbent proposal.

What a shame.  As with helmets, lights, 3cm and the rest, CTT continue to uphold the principle that 'safety' issues are best dealt with by uninformed speculation. 

[EDIT: I see they voted down the lights in hillclimbs proposal too.]

I have done the all hill climb season. Haven’t come across anyone moaning about lights. The number of closed road events is very small, maybe one Open race in ten? And even those do not guarantee that the odd resident will not be on the road and don’t allow crossing of the white line if there is one. So, it was all a bit pointless.


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Re: The TT Thread
« Reply #2580 on: 05 December, 2022, 10:01:17 pm »
Only Liverpool voted for the recumbent proposal.

What a shame.  As with helmets, lights, 3cm and the rest, CTT continue to uphold the principle that 'safety' issues are best dealt with by uninformed speculation.

Bah.

mattc

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Re: The TT Thread
« Reply #2581 on: 06 December, 2022, 06:45:22 am »
Only Liverpool voted for the recumbent proposal.

What a shame.  As with helmets, lights, 3cm and the rest, CTT continue to uphold the principle that 'safety' issues are best dealt with by uninformed speculation. 

[EDIT: I see they voted down the lights in hillclimbs proposal too.]

I have done the all hill climb season. Haven’t come across anyone moaning about lights. The number of closed road events is very small, maybe one Open race in ten? And even those do not guarantee that the odd resident will not be on the road and don’t allow crossing of the white line if there is one. So, it was all a bit pointless.
The " closed road" events are mostly airfields (or motor-racin circuits)
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Notfromrugby

Re: The TT Thread
« Reply #2582 on: 06 December, 2022, 08:05:54 am »
Only Liverpool voted for the recumbent proposal.

What a shame.  As with helmets, lights, 3cm and the rest, CTT continue to uphold the principle that 'safety' issues are best dealt with by uninformed speculation. 

[EDIT: I see they voted down the lights in hillclimbs proposal too.]

I have done the all hill climb season. Haven’t come across anyone moaning about lights. The number of closed road events is very small, maybe one Open race in ten? And even those do not guarantee that the odd resident will not be on the road and don’t allow crossing of the white line if there is one. So, it was all a bit pointless.
The " closed road" events are mostly airfields (or motor-racin circuits)

??
We were talking about hill climbs… the lights proposal was to remove the need for lights on closed Road events

Notfromrugby

Re: The TT Thread
« Reply #2583 on: 07 December, 2022, 09:59:43 am »
As a side issue, in the face of a diminishing pool of organisers/timekeepers/marshals/volunteers of all sorts, could the future of club events be Time trialling by GPS?
I am aware some groups are doing it in the US with satisfactory results, using Strava or else. The barrier, as always, is legality and liability. In a way, it would be like going back to the very roots of testing in this country.

There might be a variability of 1-2 seconds over the segment, depending on the unit used to record the track, but that is a lot better than being timed one minute faster because they forgot to leave one minute gap for the DNS (happened at a rather big Open recently, mistake reported to the organiser, but results never amended, total shambles!)

mattc

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Re: The TT Thread
« Reply #2584 on: 07 December, 2022, 05:58:02 pm »
Only Liverpool voted for the recumbent proposal.

What a shame.  As with helmets, lights, 3cm and the rest, CTT continue to uphold the principle that 'safety' issues are best dealt with by uninformed speculation. 

[EDIT: I see they voted down the lights in hillclimbs proposal too.]

I have done the all hill climb season. Haven’t come across anyone moaning about lights. The number of closed road events is very small, maybe one Open race in ten? And even those do not guarantee that the odd resident will not be on the road and don’t allow crossing of the white line if there is one. So, it was all a bit pointless.
The " closed road" events are mostly airfields (or motor-racin circuits)

??
We were talking about hill climbs… the lights proposal was to remove the need for lights on closed Road events
Ah, apologies. There were 2 motions, don't know which were passed (but surely it's insane to require lights on a Closed Road HC!?!):

12. By Yorkshire DC
Regulation 14 sections (i) and (j) Competitor’s Machine (1) (Page 341 of 2022
Hnadbook)
In each section delete the final period and add to each section the words “, the
exception being that if a time trial (Type A or B) is held on closed roads, this is optional
for the rider and not compulsory.”
13. By Yorkshire DC
Regulation 14 sections (i) and (j) Competitor’s Machine (2) (Page 341 of 2022
Handbook)
In each section delete the final period and add to each section the words “, the
exception being that if a hill-climb (Type A or B) is held on closed roads, this is optional
for the rider and not compulsory.”
Note: this Proposal will be withdrawn if Proposal 12 is successful

EDIT: news posted by Welsh BC Blazer:
Item 12.  Lights lost.  Lights will be compulsory for all events.

Item 13.  Withdrawn.
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Notfromrugby

Re: The TT Thread
« Reply #2585 on: 01 January, 2023, 07:11:50 pm »
New season Open calendar is out… plenty of good racing, quite fancy having a go at the Road bike Nats, as well as the Hill Climb champs, both in October