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Off Topic => The Pub => Arts and Entertainment => Topic started by: Seineseeker on 04 May, 2011, 07:39:39 pm
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They want to know.....
http://www.classicrockmagazine.com/news/vote-for-your-fave-prog-album-of-1971/#more-42349 (http://www.classicrockmagazine.com/news/vote-for-your-fave-prog-album-of-1971/#more-42349)
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Faust.
This post has reminded me of something. When I was at school a brother of a friend (and a proper muso) had a copy of Focus's Moving Waves which he'd left on the turntable while he painted the ceiling. To get the paint drops off it he used sandpaper. It sort of played afterwards but it was pretty crackly. Sounded better I reckon.
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Meddle, especially the bassline that features in 'Echoes'.
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They're asking for your ten favourite '71 albums. I don't know that many!
Meddle would be my favourite too, if it counts as prog (?).
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I appear to have 58 albums from 1971. Most of them are prog (or nearly so).
The 10 I voted for were:
Pawn Hearts - Van Der Graaf Generator
Tago Mago - Can
Fourth - Soft Machine
Islands - King Crimson
Tanz der Lemminge - Amon Duul II
Low Spark of High Heeled Boys - Traffic
In Hearing of Atomic Rooster - Atomic Rooster
First Utterance - Comus
Camembert Electrique - Gong
1001 Centigrade - Magma
I think they're all pretty proggy apart from, perhaps, the Traffic one - but the title track's definitely heading in that direction.
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Aqualung & Meddle
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I'd go for Aqualung too or maybe Hawkwind - In Search of Space (not sure if that counts as prog rock though).
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Tangerine Dream Atem
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Anthony Phillips - 1984 (RCA - RCA LP 5036) LP, Album 1981
Black Sabbath - Paranoid (Castle Music - NEL 6003) LP, Album, RE 1976
David Bowie - "Heroes" (RCA International - INTS 5066) LP, Album, RE 1981
David Bowie - Station To Station (RCA Victor, RCA Victor - APL1-1327, APL1 1327)
Electric Light Orchestra - A New World Record (Jet Records - UAG 30017) LP, Album 1976
Hawklords - 25 Years On (Charisma - CDS 4014) LP, Album 1978
Pink Floyd - The Dark Side Of The Moon (Harvest - SHVL 804) LP, Album, RP 1973
Planet Gong (2) - Live Floating Anarchy 1977 (Charly Records Ltd. - CRM 2000)
Cant find anything from 1971
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The best thing about the prog albums of 1971 is that they are forty years old, and barely available in any format :demon:
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Tanz der Lemminge - Amon Duul II
I have this too, which makes you the only other person I have ever come across who has even heard of it. Absolute classic!
I would also list:
The Yes Album
Nursery Crime - Genesis
Meddle - Pink Floyd
Aqualung - Jethro Tull
Wasn't the first ELO album around '71? edit: yes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Electric_Light_Orchestra_%28album%29)
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I appear to have 58 albums from 1971. Most of them are prog (or nearly so).
The 10 I voted for were:
Pawn Hearts - Van Der Graaf Generator
Tago Mago - Can
Fourth - Soft Machine
Islands - King Crimson
Tanz der Lemminge - Amon Duul II
Low Spark of High Heeled Boys - Traffic
In Hearing of Atomic Rooster - Atomic Rooster
First Utterance - Comus
Camembert Electrique - Gong
1001 Centigrade - Magma
I think they're all pretty proggy apart from, perhaps, the Traffic one - but the title track's definitely heading in that direction.
I've got Camenbert Electrique and Soft Machine Fourth. Next to nobody will have a 1971 copy of Camenbert Electrique, as it was only popular after it was reissued in 1974 as a Virgin cut price album for 59p. It can be seen as a 'Punk Prog' album, as many of the techniques could be readily imitated and it was more ramshackle than Dark Side and the like.
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The best thing about the prog albums of 1971 is that they are forty years old, and barely available in any format :demon:
Check out Discogs. There all there. Vinyl, Old & reissues. Some new reissue wax also. Though the original masterings are the best pressings usually.
Theres also CD stuff n MP3 though I'm not sure about availability ?
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I've got Camenbert Electrique and Soft Machine Fourth. Next to nobody will have a 1971 copy of Camenbert Electrique, as it was only popular after it was reissued in 1974 as a Virgin cut price album for 59p. It can be seen as a 'Punk Prog' album, as many of the techniques could be readily imitated and it was more ramshackle than Dark Side and the like.
Ooh, I had the 1971 copy, bought after having seen them at Glastonbury Fayre that year. They were for me the outstanding band of the festival, at least on the hippy/weirdness front. As you say, more quirky than much of the prog rock of the time but all the better for that and still bears a listen.
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I've got Camenbert Electrique and Soft Machine Fourth. Next to nobody will have a 1971 copy of Camenbert Electrique, as it was only popular after it was reissued in 1974 as a Virgin cut price album for 59p. It can be seen as a 'Punk Prog' album, as many of the techniques could be readily imitated and it was more ramshackle than Dark Side and the like.
I had it; a French import with a double gatefold sleeve with a colour photo inside; reproduced in black and white on the back of the cheapo 50p version.
The only other of these 50p specials I remember was The Faust Tapes
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The only other of these 50p specials I remember was The Faust Tapes
Another fine album!
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I've got Calambert Electric, Flying Teapot and Angels Egg on vinyl and a 2CD compilation of Gong stuff on CD. Sad really.
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Book price for Gong Calambert Electric Original is about £15.00 Near Mint
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People, it's Camembert!
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People, it's Camembert!
You are correct
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I've got Calambert Electric, Flying Teapot and Angels Egg on vinyl and a 2CD compilation of Gong stuff on CD. Sad really.
Only sad that you haven't got more. ;D
(I've got 12 Gong albums sitting on this hard drive)
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Gong were actually a very tight Jazz Funk group who were coincidentally hippies, as this track demonstrates.
YouTube
- The Isle of Everywhere / Gong
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J7fKamTNZ0)
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I bought Flying Teapot after hearing them on a very good Peel session;
it was shite
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Steve Hillage's Gong went all trippy. Later 70's.
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Faust, Can et al. are not prog. They aren't thinking the same way about music at all.
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Gong were actually a very tight Jazz Funk group who were coincidentally hippies, as this track demonstrates.
YouTube
- The Isle of Everywhere / Gong
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J7fKamTNZ0)
They were also awful, embarassing and trite. I used to think I liked them back when I spent most of my time stoned. Then recently I bought a double CD of their 'best' stuff. Jesus, it was terrible. Nothing redeemable at all. They had no 'funk' whatsoever.
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Gong were actually a very tight Jazz Funk group who were coincidentally hippies, as this track demonstrates.
YouTube
- The Isle of Everywhere / Gong
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J7fKamTNZ0)
Sometimes they were punk:
YouTube - Opium for the people - Planet Gong / Here and Now
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK3inIB_nsI&feature=related)
and in French
YouTube - Opium pour le peuple
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw4qPMus-Qg&feature=related)
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Here And Now were unaccountably popular with many of my little furry chums when I was a Penniless Student Oaf.
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Since when was David Bowie prog?
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I've got Calambert Electric, Flying Teapot and Angels Egg on vinyl and a 2CD compilation of Gong stuff on CD. Sad really.
There I was thinking the question was ridiculously obscure!
Apart from Gong, I have not heard of any of these, but feel like I should and soon! Will be looking out at my s/h vinyl store next time. Flying Teapot, just must be brilliant!
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I've got Calambert Electric, Flying Teapot and Angels Egg on vinyl and a 2CD compilation of Gong stuff on CD. Sad really.
There I was thinking the question was ridiculously obscure!
Apart from Gong, I have not heard of any of these, but feel like I should and soon! Will be looking out at my s/h vinyl store next time. Flying Teapot, just must be brilliant!
They are all Gong albums. Flying Teapot is the most famous.
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I see, not all from 1971 then!
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Gong were actually a very tight Jazz Funk group who were coincidentally hippies, as this track demonstrates.
YouTube
- The Isle of Everywhere / Gong
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J7fKamTNZ0)
They were also awful, embarassing and trite. I used to think I liked them back when I spent most of my time stoned. Then recently I bought a double CD of their 'best' stuff. Jesus, it was terrible. Nothing redeemable at all. They had no 'funk' whatsoever.
That's pretty much what a whole generation thought about punk and new wave. We were used to finding musicianship of value accompanied by dodgy lyrics, Gong were no worse than Zappa in that sense. One of the odder effects is that there is more to admire in disco than in the whole of the punk era. That's why Ian Dury was so successful, an apparent 'New Wave' ethos overlying music influenced by James Brown and George Clinton.
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One of the odder effects is that there is more to admire in disco than in the whole of the punk era. That's why Ian Dury was so successful, an apparent 'New Wave' ethos overlying music influenced by James Brown and George Clinton.
I'd completely agree. Real disco with its roots in thoroughly dirty funk is something rather wonderful. Not sure I'd put New Wave in with punk anyway. Of course, punk's value wasn't in the music itself anyway, but in the anarchic DIY political ethos that it developed and which is still incredibly influential today in activist circles.
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They were also awful, embarassing and trite.
That's pretty much what a whole generation thought about punk and new wave.
Ok, try "pointless, self-indulgent noodling" then. I'm not sure many found that a trait of punk ;)
I've yet to hear a prog record that didn't sound better as a plant pot.
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Pointless, self-indulgent shouting?
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I'll settle for pointed self-indulgent shouting :)
It's noodling, and gnomic chin-stroking look-at-me-aren't-I-clever bollocks, that makes me want to poke people with a metaphorical sharp stick.
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I'll settle for pointed self-indulgent shouting :)
It's noodling, and gnomic chin-stroking look-at-me-aren't-I-clever bollocks, that makes me want to poke people with a metaphorical sharp stick.
Fair enough. I quite like pointless entertaining noodling. :)
I was really born just after the peak of both genres - although Blondie were 'my era', and in hindsight I prefer their punkier stuff. There's good-and-sh1te in both genres; Nursery Crime and Aqualung are both rather good.
I've never been in doubt which camp has more street-cred!
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I'm somewhat older than you, and was a foot soldier in the punk wars. To misquote the sainted Anthony Wilson, there were 3 reasons why punk had to happen: Emerson, Lake & f'in Palmer ;)
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No dry ice and flying pigs, eh ? ;)
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I'm somewhat older than you, and was a foot soldier in the punk wars. To misquote the sainted Anthony Wilson, there were 3 reasons why punk had to happen: Emerson, Lake & f'in Palmer ;)
I do like a Supergroup, Cream, ELP and of course Electronic from the late 80s.
YouTube
- Electronic - Getting Away With It
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px0dxRhU4ME&feature=related)
Very Chic influenced of course, Johnny Marr doing an excellent Nile Rogers imitation, the semi-acoustic solo reminiscent of Al Stewart and a bassist only a couple of notches below Bernard Edwards. It's as if all the intervening unpleasantness had never happened.
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Curved Air with the delectable Sonja Kristina and the wondeful named Florian Pilkington-Miska released their Second Album in 1971.. and I saw them live that year
Definitely Prog, and the longest ever live violin solo I have ever seen
Vivaldi! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u6OFTZCRAY)
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Just did a google 'Prog rock 71' and from the first hit I go for Hawkwind - In search of space, Zep 4, and Pink Floyd - Meddle.Z But (IMO) Zep 4 isn't 'prog'
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I'm somewhat older than you, and was a foot soldier in the punk wars. To misquote the sainted Anthony Wilson, there were 3 reasons why punk had to happen: Emerson, Lake & f'in Palmer ;)
Yup. It's just a shame that most punk was as tedious and self-indulgent as ELP.
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I'm just a bit too young to know what was going on in 1971 from first hand. My musical awakening took place in the cauldron of post-prog punk, and while I still appreciate some of what was going on in the late 1970s I discovered prog rock when it was deeply unfashionable. As far as 1971 is concerned; the standout for me is Echoes, actually the whole of the Meddle album, with Aqualung and Heart of the Sunrise by Yes as close followers. Another great album, although not prog by most standards, is Deep Purple's Fireball - particularly tracks being Fools and No No No.
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There was some good non-prog rock stuff in 1971, like the fourth Led Zep album and The Doors' LA Woman.
Has anyone mentioned Hunky Dory?
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Ok, try "pointless, self-indulgent noodling" then. I'm not sure many found that a trait of punk ;)
No, punk was different. Pointless, self indulgent shouting.
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'In Search of Space', Hawkwind. Just about falls into Prog.....
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Depends on the definition.....
I was a mere youngster at this time, but aware of Curved Air, Caravan etc, Hawkwind.... and got to see some bands by going with older friends.
However we didn't have the disposable income or ability to go t o many concerts independently until a couple of years later when Camel etc came along.
Camel of course and Snow Goose (albeit later) is certainly a fine example of the genre.
However others that comes from mind from 1971
Gentle Giant and Acquiring the Taste
Van Der Graaf Generator and Pawn Hearts (Google: A plague of lighthouse keepers)
Focus and Moving Waves (Hocus Pocus being the single that most will remember)
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It's noodling, and gnomic chin-stroking look-at-me-aren't-I-clever bollocks, that makes me want to poke people with a metaphorical sharp stick.
Good job you're a bloke. Women didn't listen to Genesis in the seventies because they're not intelligent enough to understand it. At least, that's what Phil Collins once said, which is yet another reason for lowering him into a 100 foot deep full of deep water with an anvil attached to each ankle.
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It's noodling, and gnomic chin-stroking look-at-me-aren't-I-clever bollocks, that makes me want to poke people with a metaphorical sharp stick.
Good job you're a bloke. Women didn't listen to Genesis in the seventies because they're not intelligent enough to understand it. At least, that's what Phil Collins once said, which is yet another reason for lowering him into a 100 foot deep full of deep water with an anvil attached to each ankle.
You need another reason?
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I like Phil's work with John Martyn,
YouTube
- John Martyn with Phil Collins Sweet Little Mystery studio 1980
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWLuxzC9qI4)
which is in many ways female friendly prog, what with John's dalliance with Dave Gilmour.
YouTube
- John Martyn.and David Gilmour- - " One World "( HQ )
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmdKT4SShDY&feature=related)
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Phil's a great drummer and producer just don't let him sing !
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Phil's a great drummer and producer just don't let him sing !
I like him as backing singer, his work on Martyn's Grace and Danger album is good.