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Title: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: Seineseeker on 04 May, 2011, 07:39:39 pm
They want to know.....

http://www.classicrockmagazine.com/news/vote-for-your-fave-prog-album-of-1971/#more-42349 (http://www.classicrockmagazine.com/news/vote-for-your-fave-prog-album-of-1971/#more-42349)

Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: Palinurus on 04 May, 2011, 07:46:11 pm
Faust.

This post has reminded me of something. When I was at school a brother of a friend (and a proper muso) had a copy of Focus's Moving Waves which he'd left on the turntable while he painted the ceiling. To get the paint drops off it he used sandpaper. It sort of played afterwards but it was pretty crackly. Sounded better I reckon.
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 05 May, 2011, 08:10:58 am
Meddle, especially the bassline that features in 'Echoes'.
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: Biggsy on 05 May, 2011, 09:11:01 am
They're asking for your ten favourite '71 albums.  I don't know that many!

Meddle would be my favourite too, if it counts as prog (?).
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: nicknack on 05 May, 2011, 09:27:50 am
I appear to have 58 albums from 1971. Most of them are prog (or nearly so).

The 10 I voted for were:

Pawn Hearts - Van Der Graaf Generator
Tago Mago - Can
Fourth - Soft Machine
Islands - King Crimson
Tanz der Lemminge - Amon Duul II
Low Spark of High Heeled Boys - Traffic
In Hearing of Atomic Rooster - Atomic Rooster
First Utterance - Comus
Camembert Electrique - Gong
1001 Centigrade - Magma

I think they're all pretty proggy apart from, perhaps, the Traffic one - but the title track's definitely heading in that direction.
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: Pingu on 05 May, 2011, 11:24:50 am
Aqualung & Meddle
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: pcolbeck on 05 May, 2011, 11:28:47 am
I'd go for Aqualung too or maybe Hawkwind - In Search of Space (not sure if that counts as prog rock though).
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: Martin on 05 May, 2011, 11:28:54 am
Tangerine Dream Atem
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: YahudaMoon on 05 May, 2011, 11:36:08 am
Anthony Phillips - 1984 (RCA - RCA LP 5036) LP, Album 1981 
  Black Sabbath - Paranoid (Castle Music - NEL 6003) LP, Album, RE 1976 
  David Bowie - "Heroes" (RCA International - INTS 5066) LP, Album, RE 1981 
  David Bowie - Station To Station (RCA Victor, RCA Victor - APL1-1327, APL1 1327)
  Electric Light Orchestra - A New World Record (Jet Records - UAG 30017) LP, Album 1976 
  Hawklords - 25 Years On (Charisma - CDS 4014) LP, Album 1978 
  Pink Floyd - The Dark Side Of The Moon (Harvest - SHVL 804) LP, Album, RP 1973
  Planet Gong (2) - Live Floating Anarchy 1977 (Charly Records Ltd. - CRM 2000)

Cant find anything from 1971
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: clarion on 05 May, 2011, 11:37:19 am
The best thing about the prog albums of 1971 is that they are forty years old, and barely available in any format :demon:
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: Woofage on 05 May, 2011, 11:47:54 am
Tanz der Lemminge - Amon Duul II

I have this too, which makes you the only other person I have ever come across who has even heard of it. Absolute classic!

I would also list:
The Yes Album
Nursery Crime - Genesis
Meddle - Pink Floyd
Aqualung - Jethro Tull

Wasn't the first ELO album around '71? edit: yes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Electric_Light_Orchestra_%28album%29)
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 05 May, 2011, 11:51:46 am
I appear to have 58 albums from 1971. Most of them are prog (or nearly so).

The 10 I voted for were:

Pawn Hearts - Van Der Graaf Generator
Tago Mago - Can
Fourth - Soft Machine
Islands - King Crimson
Tanz der Lemminge - Amon Duul II
Low Spark of High Heeled Boys - Traffic
In Hearing of Atomic Rooster - Atomic Rooster
First Utterance - Comus
Camembert Electrique - Gong
1001 Centigrade - Magma

I think they're all pretty proggy apart from, perhaps, the Traffic one - but the title track's definitely heading in that direction.

I've got Camenbert Electrique and Soft Machine Fourth. Next to nobody will have a 1971 copy of Camenbert Electrique, as it was only popular after it was reissued in 1974 as a Virgin cut price album for 59p. It can be seen as a 'Punk Prog' album, as many of the techniques could be readily imitated and it was more ramshackle than Dark Side and the like.
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: YahudaMoon on 05 May, 2011, 11:59:11 am
The best thing about the prog albums of 1971 is that they are forty years old, and barely available in any format :demon:

Check out Discogs. There all there. Vinyl, Old & reissues. Some new reissue wax also. Though the original masterings are the best pressings usually.

Theres also CD stuff n MP3 though I'm not sure about availability ?
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Post by: toontra on 05 May, 2011, 11:59:55 am
I've got Camenbert Electrique and Soft Machine Fourth. Next to nobody will have a 1971 copy of Camenbert Electrique, as it was only popular after it was reissued in 1974 as a Virgin cut price album for 59p. It can be seen as a 'Punk Prog' album, as many of the techniques could be readily imitated and it was more ramshackle than Dark Side and the like.

Ooh, I had the 1971 copy, bought after having seen them at Glastonbury Fayre that year.  They were for me the outstanding band of the festival, at least on the hippy/weirdness front.  As you say, more quirky than much of the prog rock of the time but all the better for that and still bears a listen.
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: Martin on 05 May, 2011, 12:01:38 pm
I've got Camenbert Electrique and Soft Machine Fourth. Next to nobody will have a 1971 copy of Camenbert Electrique, as it was only popular after it was reissued in 1974 as a Virgin cut price album for 59p. It can be seen as a 'Punk Prog' album, as many of the techniques could be readily imitated and it was more ramshackle than Dark Side and the like.

I had it; a French import with a double gatefold sleeve with a colour photo inside; reproduced in black and white on the back of the cheapo 50p version.

The only other of these 50p specials I remember was The Faust Tapes
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: toontra on 05 May, 2011, 12:03:14 pm

The only other of these 50p specials I remember was The Faust Tapes

Another fine album!
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: pcolbeck on 05 May, 2011, 12:04:44 pm
I've got Calambert Electric, Flying Teapot and Angels Egg on vinyl and a 2CD compilation of Gong stuff on CD. Sad really.
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: YahudaMoon on 05 May, 2011, 12:10:08 pm
Book price for Gong Calambert Electric Original is about £15.00 Near Mint
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: clarion on 05 May, 2011, 12:11:36 pm
People, it's Camembert!
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: YahudaMoon on 05 May, 2011, 12:12:58 pm
People, it's Camembert!

You are correct
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: nicknack on 05 May, 2011, 12:13:59 pm
I've got Calambert Electric, Flying Teapot and Angels Egg on vinyl and a 2CD compilation of Gong stuff on CD. Sad really.

Only sad that you haven't got more.  ;D

(I've got 12 Gong albums sitting on this hard drive)
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 05 May, 2011, 12:16:54 pm
Gong were actually a very tight Jazz Funk group who were coincidentally hippies, as this track demonstrates.

    YouTube
        - The Isle of Everywhere / Gong
   (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J7fKamTNZ0)
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: Martin on 05 May, 2011, 12:28:06 pm
I bought Flying Teapot after hearing them on a very good Peel session;

it was shite
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: Jaded on 05 May, 2011, 12:34:55 pm
Steve Hillage's Gong went all trippy. Later 70's.
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: Flying_Monkey on 05 May, 2011, 02:07:29 pm
Faust, Can et al. are not prog. They aren't thinking the same way about music at all.
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: Flying_Monkey on 05 May, 2011, 02:08:53 pm
Gong were actually a very tight Jazz Funk group who were coincidentally hippies, as this track demonstrates.

    YouTube
        - The Isle of Everywhere / Gong
   (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J7fKamTNZ0)

They were also awful, embarassing and trite. I used to think I liked them back when I spent most of my time stoned. Then recently I bought a double CD of their 'best' stuff. Jesus, it was terrible. Nothing redeemable at all. They had no 'funk' whatsoever.
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: pcolbeck on 05 May, 2011, 02:12:54 pm
Gong were actually a very tight Jazz Funk group who were coincidentally hippies, as this track demonstrates.

    YouTube
        - The Isle of Everywhere / Gong
   (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J7fKamTNZ0)

Sometimes they were punk:

 YouTube - Opium for the people - Planet Gong / Here and Now
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK3inIB_nsI&feature=related)

and in French

 YouTube - Opium pour le peuple
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw4qPMus-Qg&feature=related)
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: Mr Larrington on 05 May, 2011, 02:24:40 pm
Here And Now were unaccountably popular with many of my little furry chums when I was a Penniless Student Oaf.
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 05 May, 2011, 02:34:30 pm
Since when was David Bowie prog?
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: Seineseeker on 05 May, 2011, 05:26:53 pm
I've got Calambert Electric, Flying Teapot and Angels Egg on vinyl and a 2CD compilation of Gong stuff on CD. Sad really.

There I was thinking the question was ridiculously obscure!

Apart from Gong, I have not heard of any of these, but feel like I should and soon! Will be looking out at my s/h vinyl store next time. Flying Teapot, just must be brilliant!
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: pcolbeck on 05 May, 2011, 07:21:30 pm
I've got Calambert Electric, Flying Teapot and Angels Egg on vinyl and a 2CD compilation of Gong stuff on CD. Sad really.

There I was thinking the question was ridiculously obscure!

Apart from Gong, I have not heard of any of these, but feel like I should and soon! Will be looking out at my s/h vinyl store next time. Flying Teapot, just must be brilliant!

They are all Gong albums. Flying Teapot is the most famous.
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: Seineseeker on 05 May, 2011, 07:26:23 pm
I see, not all from 1971 then!
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 05 May, 2011, 07:37:50 pm
Gong were actually a very tight Jazz Funk group who were coincidentally hippies, as this track demonstrates.

    YouTube
        - The Isle of Everywhere / Gong
   (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J7fKamTNZ0)

They were also awful, embarassing and trite. I used to think I liked them back when I spent most of my time stoned. Then recently I bought a double CD of their 'best' stuff. Jesus, it was terrible. Nothing redeemable at all. They had no 'funk' whatsoever.

That's pretty much what a whole generation thought about punk and new wave. We were used to finding musicianship of value accompanied by dodgy lyrics, Gong were no worse than Zappa in that sense. One of the odder effects is that there is more to admire in disco than in the whole of the punk era. That's why Ian Dury was so successful, an apparent 'New Wave' ethos overlying music influenced by James Brown and George Clinton.
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: Flying_Monkey on 06 May, 2011, 07:20:38 pm
One of the odder effects is that there is more to admire in disco than in the whole of the punk era. That's why Ian Dury was so successful, an apparent 'New Wave' ethos overlying music influenced by James Brown and George Clinton.

I'd completely agree. Real disco with its roots in thoroughly dirty funk is something rather wonderful. Not sure I'd put New Wave in with punk anyway. Of course, punk's value wasn't in the music itself anyway, but in the anarchic DIY political ethos that it developed and which is still incredibly influential today in activist circles.
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: border-rider on 06 May, 2011, 07:26:37 pm
They were also awful, embarassing and trite.

That's pretty much what a whole generation thought about punk and new wave.


Ok, try "pointless, self-indulgent noodling" then.  I'm not sure many found that a trait of punk ;)

I've yet to hear a prog record that didn't sound better as a plant pot.
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: mattc on 06 May, 2011, 07:29:06 pm
Pointless, self-indulgent shouting?
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: border-rider on 06 May, 2011, 07:33:35 pm
I'll settle for pointed self-indulgent shouting :)

It's noodling, and gnomic chin-stroking look-at-me-aren't-I-clever bollocks, that makes me want to poke people with a metaphorical sharp stick.
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: mattc on 06 May, 2011, 07:44:19 pm
I'll settle for pointed self-indulgent shouting :)

It's noodling, and gnomic chin-stroking look-at-me-aren't-I-clever bollocks, that makes me want to poke people with a metaphorical sharp stick.

Fair enough. I quite like pointless entertaining noodling. :)

I was really born just after the peak of both genres - although Blondie were 'my era', and in hindsight I prefer their punkier stuff. There's good-and-sh1te in both genres; Nursery Crime and Aqualung are both rather good.

I've never been in doubt which camp has more street-cred!
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: border-rider on 06 May, 2011, 09:52:19 pm
I'm somewhat older than you, and was a foot soldier in the punk wars. To misquote the sainted Anthony Wilson, there were 3 reasons why punk had to happen: Emerson, Lake & f'in Palmer ;)
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: RJ on 06 May, 2011, 09:57:31 pm
No dry ice and flying pigs, eh ?  ;)
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Post by: Exit Stage Left on 06 May, 2011, 10:16:09 pm
I'm somewhat older than you, and was a foot soldier in the punk wars. To misquote the sainted Anthony Wilson, there were 3 reasons why punk had to happen: Emerson, Lake & f'in Palmer ;)

I do like a Supergroup, Cream, ELP and of course Electronic from the late 80s.

    YouTube
        - Electronic - Getting Away With It
   (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px0dxRhU4ME&feature=related)
Very Chic influenced of course, Johnny Marr doing an excellent Nile Rogers imitation, the semi-acoustic solo reminiscent of Al Stewart and a bassist only a couple of notches below Bernard Edwards. It's as if all the intervening unpleasantness had never happened.
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: Cunobelin on 06 May, 2011, 11:29:12 pm
Curved Air with the delectable Sonja Kristina and the wondeful named Florian Pilkington-Miska released their Second Album in 1971.. and I saw them live that year

Definitely Prog, and the longest ever live violin solo I have ever seen


Vivaldi! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u6OFTZCRAY)





Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: IanDG on 07 May, 2011, 12:05:10 am
Just did a google 'Prog rock 71' and from the first hit I go for Hawkwind - In search of space, Zep 4, and Pink Floyd - Meddle.Z But (IMO) Zep 4 isn't 'prog'
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: nicknack on 07 May, 2011, 01:14:28 am
I'm somewhat older than you, and was a foot soldier in the punk wars. To misquote the sainted Anthony Wilson, there were 3 reasons why punk had to happen: Emerson, Lake & f'in Palmer ;)

Yup. It's just a shame that most punk was as tedious and self-indulgent as ELP.
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Post by: Androcles on 07 May, 2011, 01:47:14 am
I'm just a bit too young to know what was going on in 1971 from first hand.  My musical awakening took place in the cauldron of post-prog punk, and while I still appreciate some of what was going on in the late 1970s I discovered prog rock when it was deeply unfashionable.  As far as 1971 is concerned; the standout for me is Echoes, actually the whole of the Meddle album, with Aqualung and Heart of the Sunrise by Yes as close followers.  Another great album, although not prog by most standards, is Deep Purple's Fireball - particularly tracks being Fools and No No No.
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: rogerzilla on 07 May, 2011, 09:18:28 am
There was some good non-prog rock stuff in 1971, like the fourth Led Zep album and The Doors' LA Woman.

Has anyone mentioned Hunky Dory?
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: nicknack on 07 May, 2011, 09:59:48 am
Ok, try "pointless, self-indulgent noodling" then.  I'm not sure many found that a trait of punk ;)

No, punk was different. Pointless, self indulgent shouting.
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: Tourist Tony on 07 May, 2011, 05:22:13 pm
'In Search of Space', Hawkwind. Just about falls into Prog.....
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: Cunobelin on 08 May, 2011, 11:17:36 am
Depends on the definition.....

I was a mere youngster at this time, but aware of Curved Air, Caravan etc, Hawkwind.... and got to see some bands by going with older friends.

However we didn't have the disposable income or ability to go t o many concerts independently until a couple of years later when Camel etc came along.

Camel of course and Snow Goose (albeit later) is certainly a fine example of the genre.

However others that comes from mind from 1971
Gentle Giant and Acquiring the Taste
Van Der Graaf Generator and Pawn Hearts (Google: A plague of lighthouse keepers)
Focus and Moving Waves (Hocus Pocus being the single that most will remember)



Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: Mr Larrington on 09 May, 2011, 12:37:46 pm
It's noodling, and gnomic chin-stroking look-at-me-aren't-I-clever bollocks, that makes me want to poke people with a metaphorical sharp stick.

Good job you're a bloke.  Women didn't listen to Genesis in the seventies because they're not intelligent enough to understand it.  At least, that's what Phil Collins once said, which is yet another reason for lowering him into a 100 foot deep full of deep water with an anvil attached to each ankle.
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: Flying_Monkey on 09 May, 2011, 08:15:30 pm
It's noodling, and gnomic chin-stroking look-at-me-aren't-I-clever bollocks, that makes me want to poke people with a metaphorical sharp stick.

Good job you're a bloke.  Women didn't listen to Genesis in the seventies because they're not intelligent enough to understand it.  At least, that's what Phil Collins once said, which is yet another reason for lowering him into a 100 foot deep full of deep water with an anvil attached to each ankle.

You need another reason?
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 10 May, 2011, 02:47:13 pm
I like Phil's work with John Martyn,

    YouTube
        - John Martyn with Phil Collins Sweet Little Mystery studio 1980
   (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWLuxzC9qI4)
which is in many ways female friendly prog, what with John's dalliance with Dave Gilmour.

    YouTube
        - John Martyn.and David Gilmour- - " One World "( HQ )
   (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmdKT4SShDY&feature=related)
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: pcolbeck on 10 May, 2011, 02:53:01 pm
Phil's a great drummer and producer just don't let him sing !
Title: Re: Fave prog album of er..... 1971 (seriously).
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 10 May, 2011, 03:09:35 pm
Phil's a great drummer and producer just don't let him sing !

I like him as backing singer, his work on Martyn's Grace and Danger album is good.