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Title: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Wowbagger on 30 November, 2023, 07:39:08 pm
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/nov/30/saracens-chief-mark-mccall-lambasts-shameful-treatment-of-owen-farrell-rugby-union

Owen Farrell decides not to play in next season’s competition.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Mr Larrington on 02 February, 2024, 08:51:45 pm
I thought France would've been dead and buried by now after going a man down at that stage of the game but…

France: Bof!  You Ingleesh!
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Wowbagger on 02 February, 2024, 10:52:50 pm
I've been looking for the highlights but hitherto without success.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Mr Larrington on 03 February, 2024, 12:47:50 am
The live coverage was on ITV if that’s any help.  Italy–England is also on ITV with Wales–Scotland on the Beeb.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Beardy on 03 February, 2024, 04:14:19 pm
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Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Wowbagger on 03 February, 2024, 04:34:59 pm
Unknowns (to me, at least) for Wales at captain, fly-half and full-back. The pundits are talking down Wales's chances.

Edit: in fact, the only Welsh player whose name I recognise is Josh Adams.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Jaded on 03 February, 2024, 05:52:40 pm
Just wondering if Wales are going to start this match.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Jaded on 03 February, 2024, 06:05:33 pm
Well, that post woke them up.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Wowbagger on 03 February, 2024, 06:23:57 pm
Exciting stuff, but a bit of hyperbole from the commentators.

Jonathan Davies: "I have never seen a game in which the momentum has changed so much."

Short memories. Was there not a game not many year ago when Scotland came back from 31 - 0 down against England to draw 38 - 38?
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Jaded on 03 February, 2024, 06:38:30 pm
Wow

How many matches have there been when one side scores no points in the first half, and the other scores no points in the second?
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Wowbagger on 03 February, 2024, 06:41:45 pm
Re my previous post, yes. England were 31 - 0 up, Scotland then scored 38 points on the trot and England scored a final try to equalise. 2019.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Nuncio on 03 February, 2024, 07:03:53 pm
J - not many. Not even this one.😉
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Jaded on 03 February, 2024, 07:08:58 pm
J - not many. Not even this one.😉

 ;D

That’s true!
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Mr Larrington on 03 February, 2024, 09:01:53 pm
Good show by plucky little Italy today :thumbsup:  And if Scotland had lost that one I'd set the RFU to investigate the recent habits of Chinese betting syndicates.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Peter on 03 February, 2024, 09:49:55 pm
Unknowns (to me, at least) for Wales at captain, fly-half and full-back. The pundits are talking down Wales's chances.

Edit: in fact, the only Welsh player whose name I recognise is Josh Adams.

The name "Botham" is quite well known in sporting circles, I think and he's already played several internationals, m'lud.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Wowbagger on 03 February, 2024, 11:20:07 pm
Well well! I suppose you have no control over your forebears. Well, three of them, anyway.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: PaulF on 04 February, 2024, 05:44:22 am
England seemed lacklustre and Scotland almost delivered a perfect lesson in how to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: John Stonebridge on 04 February, 2024, 10:31:41 am
I caught the majority of the coverage yesterday. 

It struck me that every team other than Ireland showed us a glimpse of how bad they can be at their worst, some of it from my lot Scotland was nothing short of shambolic.   

Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Peter on 04 February, 2024, 05:54:49 pm
Well well! I suppose you have no control over your forebears. Well, three of them, anyway.

Mercifully, my forebears were not involved!   ;)
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Jaded on 10 February, 2024, 04:14:03 pm
Well, that’s a grim decision.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Mr Larrington on 10 February, 2024, 04:50:14 pm
Bof!
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: andyoxon on 10 February, 2024, 05:14:13 pm
'Failed' conversion.   :facepalm:
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: T42 on 10 February, 2024, 05:19:23 pm
Bof!

Got worried when we were two men down, though.  Feejits need to restrain themselves.  Allasame, not as bof! as all that.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Beardy on 10 February, 2024, 05:53:04 pm
I thought the first yellow was a bit keen, but they did decide on bunker review that it wasn’t a red, so there is that.

In fact the Referee is very keen based on the evidence of the first half, but does at least seem consistent.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Jaded on 10 February, 2024, 06:31:16 pm
The ITV Colemantators are A Rubbish.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Beardy on 10 February, 2024, 06:39:05 pm
That’s was quite exciting.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Mr Larrington on 10 February, 2024, 08:00:55 pm
Quite noisy too, with Professor Larrington rooting loudly for the Welshoviks next to me on the sofa.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: The Family Cyclist on 11 February, 2024, 01:54:06 pm
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/rugby-union/68261875

The ref is blatantly a mum using that line
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Beardy on 11 February, 2024, 03:27:05 pm
I’m trying to work out why I’ve bothered to turn up the colmontators for this match. I know it’s not an easy job, but do they really have to talk such utter bollox?
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Peter on 11 February, 2024, 06:19:42 pm
Hopefully the new head injury protocols will filter through to the quality of punditry - but it's going to take a generation.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Jaded on 11 February, 2024, 06:25:57 pm
I’m trying to work out why I’ve bothered to turn up the colmontators for this match. I know it’s not an easy job, but do they really have to talk such utter bollox?

I'm amazed they had any totalbollox left over from yesterday.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: T42 on 12 February, 2024, 09:04:11 am
Da bhoys could have been a bit more considerate of Italy yesterday. Points difference trumps mercy every time.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Jaded on 24 February, 2024, 06:36:23 pm
Had an opportunity to be there, but am the other end of the country.

Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Wowbagger on 24 February, 2024, 09:33:51 pm
I watch the second Scotland try umpteen times, stopping the frame at a critical point, and I’m pretty certain that van der Merwe’s left elbow hit the corner flag a fraction of a second before he grounded the ball.

I only saw the highlights. Was the TMO involved or not, does anyone know?

Edit: I have just read that touching the corner flag whilst airborne is irrelevant. I thought that the corner flag was in touch. I must be out of touch.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: PaulF on 24 February, 2024, 09:58:17 pm
I watch the second Scotland try umpteen times, stopping the frame at a critical point, and I’m pretty certain that van der Merwe’s left elbow hit the corner flag a fraction of a second before he grounded the ball.

I only saw the highlights. Was the TMO involved or not, does anyone know?

Edit: I have just read that touching the corner flag whilst airborne is irrelevant. I thought that the corner flag was in touch. I must be out of touch.

I think it used to be the case. One of the commentators said something like “4 years ago that try would have been disallowed “ so I think there’s been a rule change.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Peter on 25 February, 2024, 12:14:34 am
I think he received a forward pass at the beginning of his run.  But Scotland were well worth their win.  It was nice that Furbank got his first try, though anyone in that space would have scored it.  On the other hand, it is ironic that he was brought in to replace Steward, one of the world's best catchers, because he dropped the ball, enabling that Scottish try.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Beardy on 25 February, 2024, 03:15:14 pm
Just why are the Italians in this tournament? Thats all.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Beardy on 25 February, 2024, 04:51:21 pm
Heartbreaking.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Peter on 25 February, 2024, 04:55:59 pm
Just why are the Italians in this tournament? Thats all.

????
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Beardy on 25 February, 2024, 06:25:01 pm
Just why are the Italians in this tournament? Thats all.

????
It’s just that they are the perpetual holders of the wooden spoon. At the beginning of that match it looked like they were completely outmatched, but I was wrong it seems.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Jaded on 25 February, 2024, 06:30:07 pm
I think he received a forward pass at the beginning of his run.  But Scotland were well worth their win.  It was nice that Furbank got his first try, though anyone in that space would have scored it.  On the other hand, it is ironic that he was brought in to replace Steward, one of the world's best catchers, because he dropped the ball, enabling that Scottish try.

Yes, it looked forward to me too, but wasn’t picked up on. An All Black pass, I think.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Wowbagger on 25 February, 2024, 06:51:44 pm
What's the Italian for "Ah merde!"?
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Wowbagger on 25 February, 2024, 07:37:30 pm
World class player van der Merwe most certainly is, but I think he's got one of the most irritating grins of any sportsperson I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Peter on 25 February, 2024, 07:57:16 pm
I think it's actually the stupidly-fashionable no-sides haircut that accentuates it!  One of the many unfortunate spin-offs from the exploitative Peaky Blinders.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Peter on 25 February, 2024, 08:02:17 pm
I think he received a forward pass at the beginning of his run.  But Scotland were well worth their win.  It was nice that Furbank got his first try, though anyone in that space would have scored it.  On the other hand, it is ironic that he was brought in to replace Steward, one of the world's best catchers, because he dropped the ball, enabling that Scottish try.

Yes, it looked forward to me too, but wasn’t picked up on. An All Black pass, I think.

 ;D
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Mr Larrington on 25 February, 2024, 08:04:58 pm
There’s something a bit suspicious about that McMerwe but I can’t quite put my finger on what it is :demon:

Also, Forza Italia!
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Peter on 25 February, 2024, 08:06:03 pm
Just why are the Italians in this tournament? Thats all.

????
It’s just that they are the perpetual holders of the wooden spoon. At the beginning of that match it looked like they were completely outmatched, but I was wrong it seems.

No problem!  I think from fairly soon, England may be perpetual holders of the wooden spoon.  Anyway, you are miles behind me in the erroneous prediction stakes - neither of us can hold a candle to the poor predictions of "genuine pundits" who are usually living proof of concussion damage!  Especially in cricket!
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Peter on 25 February, 2024, 08:09:30 pm
There’s something a bit suspicious about that McMerwe but I can’t quite put my finger on what it is :demon:

Also, Forza Italia!

He makes me think of The Day The earth Stood Still (1951).  He is an eerie combination of the alien Klaatu (Michael Rennie) and the robot Gort.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Wowbagger on 06 March, 2024, 11:21:50 pm
My sister told me this morning that she and her Chap have tickets for Wales v France this coming Sunday.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Jaded on 09 March, 2024, 04:05:26 pm
Oops.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: TimC on 09 March, 2024, 04:30:31 pm
Absolutely bloody marvellous!
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Mr Larrington on 09 March, 2024, 05:52:59 pm
Yay! Forza Italia :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Pingu on 09 March, 2024, 06:19:12 pm
Allez les Bleus!
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Wowbagger on 09 March, 2024, 06:35:38 pm
Well done England - and Marcus Smith!
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Wowbagger on 09 March, 2024, 07:10:14 pm
I just watched the Italy-Scotland highlights. I don't know who the commentator was, but her final sentence has to be the Colemanballs to end all Colemanballs.

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History finally arrives in Rome!
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Peter on 09 March, 2024, 08:30:13 pm
I hope it doesn't - and I think it unlikely that it will - but it's certainly a contender!

Fascinating day.  In history-bathed Rome, Scotland, who scored 4 tries, though only two by Scotsmen, were beaten by Italy, who scored only 3 - though only one by an Italian.

England's win was terrific and involved people with names like Smith and Ford and Lawrence, which is letting the side down a bit, I think.  Boy's Own stuff - fabulous!

Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: T42 on 10 March, 2024, 09:56:29 am
Bugger.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: John Stonebridge on 10 March, 2024, 02:51:12 pm
I didn't see any of the action yesterday (was up in Stirling enjoying thrilling live sport in person for the princely sum of £13) but from the highlights it looked like two excellent matches yesterday.  Irish colleagues have been insufferable lately so well done England.   :thumbsup:

This is likely to be the penultimate season of free to air for the Six Nations so a lack of predictability a la yesterday will have the likes of Sky & Amazon sharpening their pencils ready to bid for live coverage from 2026. 

 

Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Steph on 10 March, 2024, 05:11:42 pm
Bugger.

And, from me, arsebollocks.

On the other hand, the Italy/Scotland and England/Ireland matches were gripping.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Peter on 10 March, 2024, 05:43:49 pm
Something strange seems to have happened to the 6 Nations, especially this weekend.  All the teams have looked athletic with much less of the lumbering about of overweight players that has plagued the last decade.  The French reminded me of the real running game of the Tomas Castegnaide era - and Wales ran it, too.  England could still do with some trimming down but all in all a great weekend for running rugby!
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Mr Larrington on 10 March, 2024, 07:56:34 pm
Although the French pack was almost a tonne of steaming Charolais.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Peter on 10 March, 2024, 08:42:55 pm
Yes, I was wondering about that.  Perhaps the effect was reduced by the "fact" that there were not so many scrums as is usually the case.  I mean, there may have been, I haven't seen any statistics, but the game just seemed to be constantly on the move.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Nuncio on 10 March, 2024, 10:18:43 pm
In last year's 6 nations there were an average of 26 lineouts, 11 scrums and 23 penalty+free kicks per test. In this year's Wales v France game those totals were 19, 15 and 11 respectively (assuming I'm reading the stats correctly here (https://www.sixnationsrugby.com/en/m6n/matches/2024/wales-v-france-10032024-1500?tab=stats&lineupsView=pitch-home)). So you may be wrong about the scrums but right about the game in general. Ave for ball in play was 37m 33s last tournement but I can't find the stats for today's game.

Can anyone tell me why a team conceding a line-out tend to line up straight away, while the team with the throw-in tend to amble up?
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Jaded on 10 March, 2024, 11:10:36 pm
Can anyone tell me why a team conceding a line-out tend to line up straight away, while the team with the throw-in tend to amble up?

I read that a rule change was being considered to stop the amble nonsense.

Also to stop other nonsense, so that there is more actual game.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Wowbagger on 10 March, 2024, 11:14:39 pm
The team with the throw can choose when to throw. If the winger is there and has the ball to hand, he can throw it straight to an unmarked colleague and try to launch an attack, long before any forwards are on the scene.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Peter on 10 March, 2024, 11:30:10 pm
@ Nuncio

Yes, I thought I might have been deceived by the general pace of the game.  I'm pretty sure the scrums didn't suffer as much as they can do from constant re-setting - but I may have that wrong, too.  Perhaps I was high from seeing 2 games of flowing rugby.  (Didn't see the Italy one.)
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Wowbagger on 13 March, 2024, 11:44:37 pm
I’ve just read that George North has announced that he will retire from international rugby after the Italy game. He only seems to have Ben playing 5 minutes but he says 14 years. That is 20% of my life. Shit.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: andyoxon on 16 March, 2024, 01:34:24 pm
Italy will be fancying their chances agst Wales, I guess.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Beardy on 16 March, 2024, 03:59:54 pm
Just what HAS been happening in the depths of the Rugby Union Football dungeons of Italy? Have the Mafioso taken an interest do you think?  ???
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: andyoxon on 16 March, 2024, 04:44:37 pm
Just what HAS been happening in the depths of the Rugby Union Football dungeons of Italy? Have the Mafioso taken an interest do you think?  ???

Possibly having good young players, and new focus with coach Quesada?
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Basil on 16 March, 2024, 06:12:54 pm
Vaughan Gething has only been first minister for half a day and we've got the wooden spoon.
He has to go.  ;)
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Basil on 16 March, 2024, 06:49:25 pm
And well done Scotland.  You made them have to fight for it.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Mr Larrington on 16 March, 2024, 07:09:59 pm
Just why are the Italians Welsh in this tournament? Thats all.

FTFY :demon:

FORZA ITALIA!
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: spesh on 16 March, 2024, 07:16:07 pm
Meow. ;D
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Beardy on 16 March, 2024, 08:48:41 pm
Just why are the Italians Welsh in this tournament? Thats all.

FTFY :demon:

FORZA ITALIA!
Not a post that aged well was it!
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Mr Larrington on 16 March, 2024, 09:18:46 pm
Good show Scotlandland; made the Irish work for it.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Mr Larrington on 16 March, 2024, 10:53:47 pm
Pesky French.  Bah!
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: T42 on 17 March, 2024, 08:13:28 am
<pesky chuckle>

Damned close-run thing, though.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Basil on 17 March, 2024, 08:54:47 am
Gosh, so many close results.  Great competition this year.

Gatland appears to be investing in the future. C'mon Wales, things can only get better.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Mr Larrington on 17 March, 2024, 10:06:35 am
I may have seen a more inept Welsh performance than yesterday's first half but I'm struggling to remember when.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: fd3 on 17 March, 2024, 10:14:26 am
I saw the score just after England had scored a quick brace of trys.  All the hyperbole at the time made me certain that they would lose.
Is this the first time Italy have won two games (and they were so close to a third v France!)?  Let's remember this when we talk about kicking Italy (or Scotland) out because of their consistent poor record.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: andyoxon on 17 March, 2024, 10:21:32 am
I may have seen a more inept Welsh performance than yesterday's first half but I'm struggling to remember when.

I started watching just in time to see the Welsh full back ( I think) going for the catch, but collide with team mate and drop the ball.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: philip on 17 March, 2024, 10:41:43 am
Is this the first time Italy have won two games (and they were so close to a third v France!)?
Two wins and a draw is their best result, but they got two wins in 2013 and 2007.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Mr Larrington on 17 March, 2024, 10:45:21 am
According to one of the colemantators Italy's result yesterday puts them ninth in the world rankings, one place ahead of…

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Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: fd3 on 17 March, 2024, 12:40:06 pm
There is no emoji that lols loud enough for that.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: TimC on 17 March, 2024, 12:53:43 pm
That was a great day of rugby, unless you're Welsh. Even they woke up in the second half. Proper entertainment, which is what it's all about.

However, the scoring system for the table is odd. How come Scotland (W2, L3, 12 points) beat Italy (W2, D1, L2, 11 points) in the league?
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: spesh on 17 March, 2024, 01:11:23 pm
That was a great day of rugby, unless you're Welsh. Even they woke up in the second half. Proper entertainment, which is what it's all about.

However, the scoring system for the table is odd. How come Scotland (W2, L3, 12 points) beat Italy (W2, D1, L2, 11 points) in the league?

As well as four points being awarded for a win and two points for a draw, bonus points awarded for scoring 4+ tries in a match or for losing by 7 or fewer points.

Scotland's three losses were all by 7 or fewer points, and they scored 4+ tries in one match, hence they picked up 4 bonus points to add to the 8 points from two wins.
Italy picked up one bonus point because one of their two losses was by 7 or fewer points, to add to the 10 points from 2 wins and a draw.

https://www.rugbypass.com/six-nations/standings/

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Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: philip on 17 March, 2024, 02:13:13 pm
The bonus point system is a deliberate choice to encourage attacking rugby and points scoring. An exception is the three bonus points awarded for a grand slam. these are purely result based. In most grand slam years the grand slam bonus points are irrelevant but they are present specifically to prevent the other bonus points overriding a grand slam. The system could have been that bonus points only break ties in the win/loss standings, but that is not what was chosen, rather the system is explicitly designed to allow bonus points to change the win/loss standings.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: T42 on 17 March, 2024, 04:10:49 pm
The bonus point system is a deliberate choice to encourage attacking rugby and points scoring.

In other words to provide more entertainment for the TV audience and make more money for the rugby unions involved.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Beardy on 17 March, 2024, 05:13:22 pm
The bonus point system is a deliberate choice to encourage attacking rugby and points scoring.

In other words to provide more entertainment for the TV audience and make more money for the rugby unions involved.
at least they don't (yet) pause for adverts after each and every drive.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Peter on 17 March, 2024, 07:23:47 pm
Scotland also get a bonus point for having more South Africans than Italy.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: Nuncio on 17 March, 2024, 09:51:06 pm
The most unexpected thing for me was watching a post-match interview (on S4C) with one of the Italian players conducted in Welsh (Stephen Lorenzo Varney, born and brought up in Pembrokeshire, Italian mother).
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: fd3 on 18 March, 2024, 09:12:36 pm
Egads, to imagine that people would watch union for enjoyment!
Title: Re: Six Nations 2024
Post by: fd3 on 19 March, 2024, 07:09:47 pm
Just watched the BBC's beat trys of the 6 nation.  All but 4 of them were nothing to tune in for.