Arrivée est arrivé!

[Tynan2]

It starts to beome and carries on to be more meaningless, it cheapens things.

Please, if you think riding a bike has some meaning, put it in an article, I'd read it.

You seem to taken meaning from meaningless. But yes, I do think getting round an audax is a something, i enjoy it and it makes me feel mentally and physically better for some days afterwards.

I just struggle to believe I would feel a sense of anything shared with someone using powered motion on an audax.

I see plenty on the commute on powered scooter and bikes, that's fine, their choice, but I don't consider them cyclists because they're not cyclists and they now having the same experience.

[freeflow]

Tell that to Mrs F and you might have trouble walking afterwards.  Mrs F recently upgraded her e-bike to a Cannondale Synapse Neo as the Kalkhoff she had previously was proving incompatible.  A few weeks back Mrs F , at the age of 62 completed her first ever 100km ride.  Mrs F also suffers from stress/exercise induced asthma and is a Type I diabetic.  I was temendously proud of her.  Your denigration of the efforts of such people is profoundly disappointing.


Given that you are new to this forum, and that your opinions seem designed to inflame, I'd now invite the mods to check whether or not you are a troll.

[quixoticgeek]

You seem to taken meaning from meaningless. But yes, I do think getting round an audax is a something, i enjoy it and it makes me feel mentally and physically better for some days afterwards.

I just struggle to believe I would feel a sense of anything shared with someone using powered motion on an audax.

I see plenty on the commute on powered scooter and bikes, that's fine, their choice, but I don't consider them cyclists because they're not cyclists and they now having the same experience.

Pedal assist e-bikers are still cyclists. They may not be doing the same amount of effort as us, but they are turning the pedals to make them go. That's cycling. Sure it may be easier for them than it is for you or me, but hey, some rides are easier for others. Should I demand that everyone on the audax carry extra weight on the bike so that they weight the same as me, and thus experience the same problems on the hills? No. We're all cyclists, lifes too short to be fighting among ourselves, when there's idiots in 2 ton death cages who want us dead.

If someone wants to do a 600 on a pedal assist e-bike, sure why the fuck not, we can have a finisher list for assisted riders. Problems solved.

J

[MattH]

If someone wants to do a 600 on a pedal assist e-bike, sure why the fuck not, we can have a finisher list for assisted riders. Problems solved.

Surely in the Audax spirit, if you're doing a 600 on an e-bike you should have to carry your own spare batteries all the way around (or use a dynohub to charge them on the downhills) 

[LittleWheelsandBig]

No. Being a randonneur is the result of accomplishing a simple task, riding a human-powered vehicle at least 200km within defined time limits. Pass or fail. It is somewhat of a challenge (depending on conditions, route, etc.) but an achievable one. Randonneuring has been that way for a century and there is a value in maintaining that basic challenge. Putting a motor on the cycle fundamentally changes riding a brevet into something that is not comparable.

Ride an e-bike, enjoy the ride and the scenery and socialising with companions but that should not result in a homologated brevet.

[MattH]

I don't disagree, carrying your own batteries was tongue in cheek 

If there's capacity on the rides, I don't see a particular issue with e-bikes riding the route though - only if they stop human powered riders being able to get a spot or cause control overcrowding. They obviously shouldn't be eligible for normal BR or BRM validation (will we need mechanical doping checks?)

[Cudzoziemiec]

It starts to beome and carries on to be more meaningless, it cheapens things.

Please, if you think riding a bike has some meaning, put it in an article, I'd read it.

That's in the latest issue. IN the next one it can be Zen and the Art of E-cycle Maintenance.

[Cudzoziemiec]

The letter on p13 indicates that the "I'm cheating on an ebike" idea (in a non-audax context) has arrived in Corsica.

[trumpet]

I'd be interested to read the missing paragraph or two from page 40.. Dave Sharp discussing his Moulton...

[Socks]

I'd be interested to read the missing paragraph or two from page 40.. Dave Sharp discussing his Moulton...

The missing text is:. various aches and pains.  The TSR has good luggage capacity and as I would be camping, I used a trailer as well to make packing easier.

The Good Bits -

- a stream of red bike lights stretching out as far as I could see.  (I was in the group that started at 9.20pm)

- chatting to another participant, I asked about the different colour number and found out that he had taken part in every previous event

- seeing another cyclist on a shopper bike, serenading us with music from a large radio ...

[bhoot]

It seems that for some Arrivees have not actually arrived, just an empty but undamaged envelope. If this has happened to you please email membership@audax.uk and I will send a replacement (and also complain to the printers)

[trumpet]

I'd be interested to read the missing paragraph or two from page 40.. Dave Sharp discussing his Moulton...

The missing text is:. various aches and pains.  The TSR has good luggage capacity and as I would be camping, I used a trailer as well to make packing easier.

The Good Bits -

- a stream of red bike lights stretching out as far as I could see.  (I was in the group that started at 9.20pm)

- chatting to another participant, I asked about the different colour number and found out that he had taken part in every previous event

- seeing another cyclist on a shopper bike, serenading us with music from a large radio ...

Thanks Dave.

[Grandad]

I saw two fellas on a ride once that were 80 and 76, a little feeble but tricked out in full kit and having a whale of a timetelling people how old they were.

Only two? On a recent 7 member clubrun the 2 youngsters in their 70s brought the average age down to 79.5.

Whilst we no longer ride audaxes we consider ourselves to be proper cyclists who use technology to extend our active participation. A 100k audax might be doable but I don't see any demand for more than the current 200k limit.

[Cudzoziemiec]

What's with the "target locked" graphics on the photos in the latest edition? Particularly on p46, where the line cuts right through the rider and his bike, but also the other photos in that article.

[robgul]

What's with the "target locked" graphics on the photos in the latest edition? Particularly on p46, where the line cuts right through the rider and his bike, but also the other photos in that article.

My mag came today - the "design" seems to have overtaken the function throughout - in particular the rule boxes on all the pictures are just awful and unnecessary - especially as above, page 46.   

Presumably some Mac-jockey  (a.k.a. graphic designer) has had an upgrade to his software with some new tools like the box feature   

. . . and while I'm ranting - why does Arrivee smell so awful? - I have a couple of other mag subscriptions and they don't smell.   [I know that printing is all now namby-pamby water-based inks rather than the proper stuff tey used when i started out working in the printing industry]

[MikeFromLFE]

The target photo boxes would be OK in moderation, but they've been overdone. New toy, as you say.

I quite like the smell - sorry!

Talking about smells, Dave Twitchett's article (Smoke Signals) has interesting photos, but text that has only a vague connection to them, or Audax come to that - it'd probably be a good article for the VCC magazine though.

[Cudzoziemiec]

On the whole, Arrivee is well designed as well as well written. Better designed than CUK's Cycle magazine, on what I imagine is a far smaller budget. I just found the "target boxes" rather disruptive.

[quixoticgeek]

I found an arrivee labelled envelope in my mailbox today. Haven't opened it yet tho.

J

[FifeingEejit]

On the whole, Arrivee is well designed as well as well written. Better designed than CUK's Cycle magazine, on what I imagine is a far smaller budget. I just found the "target boxes" rather disruptive.

I find the boxes reminiscent of the composing box in the view finder of a Kodak Instamatic 126 camera rather than any sort of target.

[peter simplex]

Talking about smells, Dave Twitchett's article (Smoke Signals) has interesting photos, but text that has only a vague connection to them, or Audax come to that - it'd probably be a good article for the VCC magazine though.

Well, Arrivee contains stand-alone pages on food recipes.  Perhaps this concept could be extended to a regular feature on readers' favourite smoking requisites or tobacco mixtures which they have particularly enjoyed on long Audax rides?    Pipe smoking has been used to good effect in 24 hour cycle races in the past - see the picture of Norman Maggs here:
https://cyclinguphill.com/classic-cycling-photos/

However I think the following scientific paper might be a tongue-in-cheek, cherry-picked meta-analysis 

Cigarette smoking: an underused tool in high-performance endurance training
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3001541/

[MikeFromLFE]

A compendium of the recipes would be a useful and interesting thing to have.

[barakta]

. . . and while I'm ranting - why does Arrivee smell so awful? - I have a couple of other mag subscriptions and they don't smell.   [I know that printing is all now namby-pamby water-based inks rather than the proper stuff tey used when i started out working in the printing industry]

I complained about the smell when Kim showed me a copy of it earlier today. It's rank!

[peter simplex]

I quite like the smell - sorry!

Me too.   In fact I'm quite addicted to the smell.  It must be genetic. 

[Rupert]

I could certainly think of worse smells!!!

[bhoot]

I have a box of 100 of them newly arrived, do I dare open it?