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Title: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 July, 2023, 07:01:01 pm
Started today.

Crikey!
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Von Broad on 20 July, 2023, 07:55:48 pm
Sadly, what with the kick-off times, I'm going to miss a lot of the games  :(
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Post by: Von Broad on 28 July, 2023, 07:15:51 pm
fresh blood knows no fear
say..........nice goal!
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Wowbagger on 30 July, 2023, 06:40:55 pm
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66352255

That was rather fun.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Wowbagger on 03 August, 2023, 07:10:26 pm
Well! Nobody likes to see that happen... ;)
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Von Broad on 06 August, 2023, 08:28:33 pm
Well....don't think the Swedish keeper will need to pay for her drinks for a while, cracking performance...and out go the holders!
Japanese looking good.
And we're on the right side of the draw [not always a good thing :)]
Nigeria tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Wowbagger on 06 August, 2023, 08:38:04 pm
Indeed! She was magnificent. I’m a bit sorry that the USA have gone in some ways: they have been inspirational for a long while and Megan Rapinoe really got under Donald Trump's skin peel when she said "We're not fuckin' going' to the White House!"
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Post by: Mr Larrington on 06 August, 2023, 11:05:14 pm
Not to mention riling colossal bellend Piers “Morgan” Moron so much that he actually called them “arrogant”.

Pot, kettle…
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Von Broad on 07 August, 2023, 06:56:02 am
Indeed! She was magnificent. I’m a bit sorry that the USA have gone in some ways: they have been inspirational for a long while and Megan Rapinoe really got under Donald Trump's skin peel when she said "We're not fuckin' going' to the White House!"

lol....I wasn't aware of that!
Good job he's not in power at the moment [hopefully never for gods sake]  - he would probably return a version of the same compliment!

The history of womens Association Football soccer in the USA is interesting. With blokes dominating all the other major sports, they've really grabbed it with both hands with an attitude of, 'hands off we'll have this one', and even though there was nothing in the way of a womens league, the college sports scene in the USA is very strong so they had a kind of support system to tap into from the outset [bit of a simplification of history of course].
Domination of skill is always motivation of others to get their act together and match the standard, and if you look at how quickly the womens game has developed over recent years it's amazing really. The size of this World Cup is testament to that fact. The word inspirational is fitting definitely.
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Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 07 August, 2023, 04:57:02 pm
James - Alozie ouch! Seems like both teams were rather good though.
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Post by: Jaded on 07 August, 2023, 05:15:19 pm
I think the Lionesses were lucky there. The penalties were good, but there were heart in mouth moments during normal and extra time.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Peter on 07 August, 2023, 08:46:48 pm
I see Wiegman the England coach says that James let her emotions get the better of her when she stood on the Nigerian.  Then without pausing for breath she said, "But it wasn't intentional."  That's not only patently a lie, it's also depressing when managers start talking like male managers have talked since I don't know when. 
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Von Broad on 08 August, 2023, 07:45:08 am
I see Wiegman the England coach says that James let her emotions get the better of her when she stood on the Nigerian.  Then without pausing for breath she said, "But it wasn't intentional."  That's not only patently a lie, it's also depressing when managers start talking like male managers have talked since I don't know when.

Must admit I don't see Wiegman in that light at all.....

She also said in that interview, "It's a huge lesson for her to learn".....

In no way is she insinuating that James should not have been sent off or anything like that, or justifying what she did. I think what she's trying to say is the intent to hurt was not really behind the incident, it's a momentary loss of control from an inexperienced player. If you want to hurt somebody then there are far more discreet, premeditated and damaging ways to do it in a game than what James did.

I can't see the point of a manger or team mates then subsequently piling on the condemnation when the lesson for James is blatantly obvious and the punishment immediate - and could, be even worse subject to a review.

It's been compared to Beckham's petulant outburst against Simeone in France 1998. They are very similar really. Immature outbursts that let both yourself and your team mates down. If she doesn't realize that now, she will when she's sitting on the bench for the next game.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Peter on 08 August, 2023, 10:54:03 am
Well, she could have said, "...no intention TO HURT".  She may well have meant that.  But since she didn't say it, we are left with the possibility that she meant, "...no intention TO STAND ON HER."  That seems almost impossible as she knew she was there.  She wasn't sent off for hurting the player but for standing on her.  As for inexperience at 21 - she has been playing for at least 10 years.  The rules have always been the same in that time, so that one won't flay.  But "emotion", yes.

Further, m'lud, I would submit that at no time did I suggest that managers should pile on condemnation.  I agree with you over that, at least in public (in private, the hair-dryer may be applied!).  I hope she will be supported (and that she isn't a member here!) because what happened to Beckham was appalling.

I was really disappointed but that's possibly because she seems to be a very special player and now England will deprived of her for at least one match - and probably more.  All because she was stupid - not inexperienced.   Oh girl*, she's got some experience now, all right - I hope she can cope.

*  Chi-lites refer(s).

Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Von Broad on 08 August, 2023, 07:06:03 pm
Well, she could have said, "...no intention TO HURT".  She may well have meant that.  But since she didn't say it,

Actually she did, she said actually that - at least according to the report on BBC Sport.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66427469

Weigman most likely gave several interviews to various outlets after the game. I must admit to not seeing or hearing any of them - I had to get back to work.
I'm trusting they're quoting her correctly here.

Nigeria would have done their homework on James [young, talented and somebody to nullify], and player to player marking, as opposed to zonal marking made possession very difficult. Good tactics by the Nigerians of course, and their game plan was simple - don't give the English players man inch to play. James is an accomplished footballer of course, and like Beckham of the same age, experienced at playing the game, reaching the highest possible standard of club football - but not at international level. It's the same game, but it's the same game in a different environment. Where there words spoken during the game? Maybe. The odd kick and shove off the ball, gamesmanship and all that. Possibly. Some players are better at handling those kind of frustrating environments than others. All it takes is a split second rush of blood and you're in trouble. And you learn. It's all down to experience. 
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Mr Larrington on 08 August, 2023, 08:02:52 pm
It should perhaps be noted that Wiegman's native tongue isn’t English, no matter how well she speaks it 99% of the time.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Peter on 08 August, 2023, 09:41:10 pm
Well, she could have said, "...no intention TO HURT".  She may well have meant that.  But since she didn't say it,

Actually she did, she said actually that - at least according to the report on BBC Sport.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66427469

Weigman most likely gave several interviews to various outlets after the game. I must admit to not seeing or hearing any of them - I had to get back to work.
I'm trusting they're quoting her correctly here.

Nigeria would have done their homework on James [young, talented and somebody to nullify], and player to player marking, as opposed to zonal marking made possession very difficult. Good tactics by the Nigerians of course, and their game plan was simple - don't give the English players man inch to play. James is an accomplished footballer of course, and like Beckham of the same age, experienced at playing the game, reaching the highest possible standard of club football - but not at international level. It's the same game, but it's the same game in a different environment. Where there words spoken during the game? Maybe. The odd kick and shove off the ball, gamesmanship and all that. Possibly. Some players are better at handling those kind of frustrating environments than others. All it takes is a split second rush of blood and you're in trouble. And you learn. It's all down to experience.

Yes, probably several interviews.  The first report I saw on the BBC news page (which was very early) reported only that she'd said what I said.  I am not imagining that.  But I am showing a lamentable lack of learning experience, as the first words the BBC prints are frequently by a cub reporter!  I should be more patient!  Anyway, it doesn't matter in the great scheme of things.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Von Broad on 10 August, 2023, 07:06:50 pm
Anyway, it doesn't matter in the great scheme of things.

No, quite.

I see that James has been banned for another game on top of the original one match ban for the red card.
Considering the authorities could have extended it for a further two, they've pretty much decided to go down the middle.

Colombia on Saturday.
I'll actually be able to watch this one from the position of an armchair as opposed to watching it on a phone while tiling a floor!
[Surprisingly, the floor came out real good].
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Peter on 10 August, 2023, 10:00:57 pm
 ;D
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Post by: Basil on 12 August, 2023, 12:19:48 pm
Crikey, that was a good goal.
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Post by: Basil on 12 August, 2023, 12:25:29 pm
Thankfully followed by
Crikey, that was poor goal keeping.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Jaded on 12 August, 2023, 12:58:38 pm
Crikey that was alert.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Wowbagger on 12 August, 2023, 01:54:20 pm
Crikey that was alert.

Be alert. Your country needs lerts.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Von Broad on 12 August, 2023, 07:06:26 pm
I thought they responded really well after going a goal down - lots of pressure, which contributed to getting the equalizer.
Considering the injuries coming into the tournament and current suspension, they did really well - some excellent performances, Lauren Hemp for one.

So Australia next......in Australia.
Not much stadium-quietude will be in evidence there then!
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Jaded on 13 August, 2023, 03:26:45 pm
It’s great, looking forward to having a semi.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: farfetched on 14 August, 2023, 02:25:45 pm
I read over here in the Dutch press that Sarina Wiegman was a little surprised at the rivalry between England and Australia.
Now of course that's not really an issue in Men's footie as the Aussies don't tend to get that far at the WC, and there are few if any competitive games,
She obviously does not follow Rugby and Cricket.

I'm also not that sure that Women's sport carries the same tribal atmosphere, it's certainly not evident if you look at the supporters, by and large the
players and coaches seem to be behave as well despite there being some pretty close games and penalty shoot-outs. Now I have said this it will obviously all go tits-up (no pun intended) on Wednesday with 10 yellow and 4 red cards.
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Post by: Mr Larrington on 16 August, 2023, 12:54:28 pm
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Post by: Wowbagger on 16 August, 2023, 04:34:15 pm
"Phenomenable!"
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Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 16 August, 2023, 05:12:17 pm
Crikey! The Oz goal was nice, so was Angol's third.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Von Broad on 16 August, 2023, 05:27:14 pm
Crikey! The Oz goal was nice, so was Angol's third.

Set up superbly by Lauren Hemp.
She's playing so well.

Wiegman has a decision to make - I hope she keeps the same team, [especially as Toone scored a really good goal], and leaves James [who is due to return] on the bench - and that's a very useful player to have in reserve!
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Wowbagger on 16 August, 2023, 06:31:35 pm
Does anyone decide upon a Player of the Match? In my view it was Lauren Hemp. Possibly not too much of a difficult decision to make.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Wowbagger on 16 August, 2023, 10:57:22 pm
Listening to the commentary and reading a couple of articles, I gain the impression that some of the pundits are assuming this is in the bag for England. It's implicit, but I'm sure it's there.

Here's and example: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/aug/16/matildas-fever-has-met-its-antidote-an-england-team-with-killer-instinct
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Von Broad on 17 August, 2023, 09:56:21 am
Listening to the commentary and reading a couple of articles, I gain the impression that some of the pundits are assuming this is in the bag for England. It's implicit, but I'm sure it's there.

Here's and example: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/aug/16/matildas-fever-has-met-its-antidote-an-england-team-with-killer-instinct

Yes, interesting. I know what you mean.

But, from where I sit, my own view is, and they make the point in the article, having followed the womens game [only really at International level] for quite some time, and seen how it's developed from a kind of slow, naive, starting at the very bottom kind of thing, and progressed to where they are now, as that has happened, they've learned a lesson from the men - although probably not that consciously done, it's all very well having good players, or a so-called golden generation of young talent, at the end of the day, if you're going to do well, it's all about playing tournament football and knowing how to adapt and get through games, even if you don't perform at your best. In the mens game, the Germans have always been masters at it. And England have fallen short so many times. The closest the blokes got was Italia 90, where the team evolved and got better as the tournament progressed, but lost on the dreaded penalties - as we all remember!

As for the game on Sunday, I expect the Spanish to play not dissimilar to the way Nigeria did, although endowed with a higher level of technical skill, I don't think they will give England an inch to play. I remember England played Spain in the Euros 2022, and they were a tough nut to crack. - and they've just beaten Sweden who are ranked 3rd in the world [I was amazed to find out]. Spain are ranked 6th and England 4th. There's just nothing in it.

edit: looks like the bookies are not giving much away, best odds:
England - 10/11
Spain - Evens
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 17 August, 2023, 10:16:11 am
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For England, these are battles that have already been fought and won. The final against Spain on Sunday will be the latest chapter in a story of evolution and growth that has already made the Lionesses one of our best-loved sporting teams. The game itself will be wildly different. Spain, with their technical skill and sophisticated passing patterns, will provide an entirely new challenge after the long punts and swirling crosses of Australia. England will have to endure long periods without the ball. But this is a team who thrive on their ability to adapt and endure, to weather the tough spells and meet fire with water.
I don't really read that as "assuming this is in the bag for England."
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Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 17 August, 2023, 10:57:11 am
Meanwhile, Aussies getting hooli:
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Crowds will no longer be able to gather at Melbourne’s Federation Square to watch the remaining Women’s World Cup matches after a small group of fans repeatedly breached security fences and others lit flares during Wednesday’s semi-final.

The decision to axe the fan zone at Fed Square – which had already hosted 140,000 fans throughout the World Cup – was made out of safety concerns, and follows what Victoria Police called a “challenging night” for officers.
And the most prosaic stadium name ever: "Melbourne Rectangular Stadium"

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/aug/17/womens-world-cup-2023-federation-square-live-site-melbourne-axed-dropped-safety-security-flares
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: bobb on 18 August, 2023, 01:59:37 pm
And the most prosaic stadium name ever: "Melbourne Rectangular Stadium"

Well, there's about a dozen stadiums in Melboune called The Something Oval, so it makes sense to name a rectangular one in that way!
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: citoyen on 19 August, 2023, 10:19:10 am
Does anyone decide upon a Player of the Match? In my view it was Lauren Hemp. Possibly not too much of a difficult decision to make.

I don’t know if there is an official award but I was discussing the game with my colleague and e we both thought Hemp was the outstanding player.

That was the only game I’ve watched so far (which means I’ve watched one more game in the women’s tournament than the men’s last year) and I think I picked a bloody good one. As m’colleague said, always good to beat the Aussies at anything.

Might even make an effort for the final.
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Post by: Wowbagger on 19 August, 2023, 11:19:01 am
It's odd, isn't it? I'm relatively unenthusiastically English (born in Essex, but half-Welsh and always had much more contact with the Welsh side than the English) and I mostly thought myself impervious to this sort of thing, but I always found that beating the Aussies at Anything is very satisfying. I've no idea why, but I always findig myself wanting the All Blacks to beat Aus in the rugby as well.

My younger daughter is very enthusiastic about Welsh rugby too - more so than I am I think, as I deprecate the razzmatazz of the modern international games - but she is now an Aussie citizen but living in Auckland and in a partnership with a Kiwi. She always supports Wales, but the All Blacks are her second team too - and I think that was true when she lived in Melbourne.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Mr Larrington on 20 August, 2023, 11:05:32 am
Dear The BBC

There is a bloke colemantating in Spaignish in the background of your coverage.  Please silence him or I will switch to ITV.

Kthxbai
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Mr Larrington on 20 August, 2023, 11:32:08 am
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Post by: andyoxon on 20 August, 2023, 12:15:36 pm
No way was that a yellow card ref!  Player went down looking like they had a shattered ankle.
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Post by: Mr Larrington on 20 August, 2023, 12:30:07 pm
Woo-hoo!  Mary Earps saves penalty  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Mr Larrington on 20 August, 2023, 01:05:14 pm
Bah >:(
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Post by: Jaded on 20 August, 2023, 01:07:41 pm
Dear The BBC

There is a bloke colemantating in Spaignish in the background of your coverage.  Please silence him or I will switch to ITV.

Kthxbai

We went to ITV.

Didn’t seem to change the result, but the colemantating was way better.
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Post by: Mr Larrington on 20 August, 2023, 02:19:12 pm
So did I but returned to the Beeb at half-time to avoid the shitverts.  El Colemanio had buggered off by the second half.  Strangely, Auntie's colematary did not perform its usual trick during live sporting events, viz. emerge mostly from the left speaker.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: citoyen on 20 August, 2023, 04:22:45 pm
At the end of the day, the best team won, Brian.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: De Sisti on 20 August, 2023, 05:10:48 pm
Remember, it was only a game of football. Nobody died. Now we're going to be plastered with
nine months or so of premier league soccer.  ::-)
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Asterix, the former Gaul. on 20 August, 2023, 07:09:25 pm
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Nobody died. Now we're going to be plastered with
nine months or so of premier league soccer.

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My ability to ignore football has reached the level at which I do not know for sure what teams are in the Premier league. Assuming it is still called that.

In company, I did watch the final of the women’s World Cup. They was, of course, robbed by a cynical team of excessively professional performers. Is what I said. I am tactful like that.

Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Peter on 20 August, 2023, 10:09:39 pm
I thought England were "lucky" to get away with 0-1.  Have the rules on goalkeepers moving been changed?  Earps saved a penalty by being already practically horizontal by the time the kicker reached the ball, as far as I could see, especially in the view from behind the goal.  And I don't think it's fair to imply that Spain were "professional" (i.e. cheats).  Certainly as it got towards the end and England could feel it slip away, the England side, who were probably a stone or so heavier per person, started to throw their weights about and there was also a lot of "accidental" stepping on feet.  This was a pity because there was only a goal in it and both teams had been really entertaining until England began to lose hope.  That said, I did only watch the second half, so I may have missed dirty deeds by the very small and fast Spaniards.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: farfetched on 20 August, 2023, 10:48:32 pm
Best team won,  which doesn't always happen of course. It was a game of few really good chances and not many mistakes were made, I thought Walsh was off the pace and Earps kept England in the game.

The penalty rule is quite simple, goalkeeper has to have at least one foot on or behind the line at the time the pen is struck,  years ago they were not allowed to move now they can do what they like as long the foot rule is observed.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Peter on 20 August, 2023, 10:52:15 pm
Thanks, farfetched.  I'd have to see a re-run but I don't think the goalie was anywhere near fulfilling that requirement.  Certainly agree that the better team won.  They seemed to have a very effective plan for dealing with James.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 August, 2023, 10:54:51 pm
I read somewhere that the winner gets Gibraltar.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: farfetched on 20 August, 2023, 10:56:23 pm
I think she just about stayed on the line with one foot, keepers know the rules and practice a lot I believe. VAR are also very keen on this.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Peter on 20 August, 2023, 11:00:40 pm
I think she just about stayed on the line with one foot, keepers know the rules and practice a lot I believe. VAR are also very keen on this.

Have a look at this and stop it at 55 sec.  She's about a yard in front, which is closer than I thought but still no cigar!  Great anticipation though!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/66562980 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/66562980)
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Wowbagger on 20 August, 2023, 11:05:08 pm
I'd say that at the instant the ball was kicked, the goalie's right foot was on the line.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Peter on 20 August, 2023, 11:06:17 pm
I read somewhere that the winner gets Gibraltar.

Fool!  ;D
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Jaded on 20 August, 2023, 11:25:07 pm
I'd say that at the instant the ball was kicked, the goalie's right foot was on the line.

Yup.

Football seems to be getting to a state where gaining advantage is more important than playing. The ball was placed as far forward as it possibly could be for the kick. Just put it on the spot, for goodness sake.

As for all of them walikng down the touchline to take a throw in.  ::-) ::-)
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Peter on 20 August, 2023, 11:37:49 pm
No. If you put it at 54 and click incrementally you will see (if using non-nationalistic eyes!) that at the last moment that Earps's right foot is in contact with the line, the kicker's (kicking left) foot is clearly still behind her.  As she strikes the ball, Earp's left foot is about a yard in front of the line and her right foot is well in the air.  These are true facts and may not be altered.  :D
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Peter on 20 August, 2023, 11:47:35 pm
@ Jaded.  Definitely agree with you on the advantage thing and especially the throw-ins.  I understand that the law on corners has been changed so that the outside of the ball (not the contact point) only has to lie over the arc.  Seriously stupid meddling.  Just give a free kick against for breaking the roolz.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Jaded on 20 August, 2023, 11:48:58 pm
No. If you put it at 54 and click incrementally you will see (if using non-nationalistic eyes!) that at the last moment that Earps's right foot is in contact with the line, the kicker's (kicking left) foot is clearly still behind her.  As she strikes the ball, Earp's left foot is about a yard in front of the line and her right foot is well in the air.  These are true facts and may not be altered.  :D

Except that angle is from behind. Different perspective. When the ball is kicked the keeper has to have one foot in line.

(See it as a Russian Linesperson would  ;D)
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Peter on 21 August, 2023, 12:07:44 am
Nice Try!  I understand the rule and she breaks it.  If her foot is off the ground while the kicker's is still behind her, she is not fulfilling the rules.  But, yes, I'm old enough to have seen the Russian Linesman live!

EDIT  I see I have MISINTERPRETED "in line" as "on line", in which case, it is certainly difficult to tell from front or back whether Earps's foot was "above" the line as opposed to being "on" it, which it certainly wasn't.  If it was above, but in line, that would be ok.  But consider ye this from The Roolz:-

Once the ball has been kicked, the goalie may dive slightly forwards as they plunge to either side and this can help narrow the angle. 

She is well in front of the line by the time the ball is kicked.  I have to admit that my case is not helped by the fact that VAR did not query it and the Spanish players did not protest.  But I think that makes all of them wrong, too.  Truth is not a democracy!
 Have another look - is she moving forward before the ball is kicked?  And does it matter?  Please keep your answers brief and on one side of the screen only.

Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Wowbagger on 21 August, 2023, 05:04:33 am
Maybe you can provide a screenshot to prove your point? The video I watched, combined with my undoubted lack of mouse kicking skills, gave me the impression that Mary Earps complied with the rules.

But I would be the first to admit that when I searched for highlights of matches by the simple expedient of searching for [team name] [team name] highlights, I often found myself looking at a totally different match with teams with different names, because some shyster or other had placed them”out there” for whatever clickbaity nefarious purpose.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: farfetched on 21 August, 2023, 06:57:42 am
The VAR has goalline cameras and will have had much better material to make the call.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: citoyen on 21 August, 2023, 08:35:33 am
I think she just about stayed on the line with one foot, keepers know the rules and practice a lot I believe. VAR are also very keen on this.

Yeah, to me, it looked like she still had one foot on the line but I haven't spent any time worrying about it or forensically analysing the video.

I do share Peter's confusion with how the law is interpreted - not just yesterday but pretty much every time I've seen a penalty on Match of the Day for the last few years. What Earps did seems to be in line with how other keepers play penalties these days, and whatever the law is, it seems to be applied reasonably consistently. I'm sure VAR would have had something to say if there had been an infringement.

Anyway, that aside, it was a damn good save, even if it was a weak shot.

It was a game of few really good chances and not many mistakes were made, I thought Walsh was off the pace and Earps kept England in the game.

That looks a pretty sound assessment to me. I thought Walsh had a stinker. Bright also. And Hemp wasn't nearly as effective as she was against Australia. I did wonder how much of it was England not playing well and how much was down to Spain forcing them into making mistakes - all those short and/or misplaced passes could in part be due to Spain just not giving them any space to play. (Peter - England were actually much better in the second half. Kelly and James made a big difference when they came on.)

Olga Carmona was superb. Read this morning that she learned after the game that her dad died - news came through during the game. That's going to take the edge off her celebrations. Sad.

Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Asterix, the former Gaul. on 21 August, 2023, 09:34:02 am
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Olga Carmona was superb. Read this morning that she learned after the game that her dad died - news came through during the game. That's going to take the edge off her celebrations. Sad.

That is sad, and it looks like Mod fixed the wrong bit of the quotation.

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Nobody died. Now we're going to be plastered with
nine months or so of premier league soccer.

(Quotation fixed by Mod)

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Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: De Sisti on 21 August, 2023, 09:39:39 am
It's interesting reading the comments by the armchair generals quarterbacks referees
dissecting the penalty save by the England goalie. :-D :P
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Peter on 21 August, 2023, 09:58:46 am
Happy to give you something to comment about from your armchair!
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Peter on 21 August, 2023, 10:08:59 am
Maybe you can provide a screenshot to prove your point? The video I watched, combined with my undoubted lack of mouse kicking skills, gave me the impression that Mary Earps complied with the rules.

But I would be the first to admit that when I searched for highlights of matches by the simple expedient of searching for [team name] [team name] highlights, I often found myself looking at a totally different match with teams with different names, because some shyster or other had placed them”out there” for whatever clickbaity nefarious purpose.

Wow, I haven't got the fu to get a screenshot onto here - but that's lots of stuff on the internet.  There are several in this report, although by clicking I was able to get far clearer evidence of where Earps was when the kicker still had her kicking foot behind her.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/football/world-cup/not-allowed-england-get-away-with-murder-as-spain-robbed-by-world-cup-nocall/news-story/89889e49d89977f5a058c81662ab3d37 (https://www.news.com.au/sport/football/world-cup/not-allowed-england-get-away-with-murder-as-spain-robbed-by-world-cup-nocall/news-story/89889e49d89977f5a058c81662ab3d37)
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Jaded on 21 August, 2023, 10:22:33 am
Haven't got fast internet at the moment, but the screenshot from above isn't in line with the goal line and the photo is from some time after the penalty was kicked.

Reading that Aussie article I am struck that maybe England should forfeit the World Cup and give it to Spain?
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: farfetched on 21 August, 2023, 10:34:27 am
By not releasing the 'evidence' - FIFA are once again shooting themselves in the foot. They are lucky it didn't decide the game.
For every offside we get clearly rendered images of the situation, they could have done the same for this. (they still can).
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Peter on 21 August, 2023, 10:38:25 am
Agreed.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Jaded on 21 August, 2023, 10:39:55 am
We noted that they didn’t TV replay Mary Earp’s shout up field after the save.

Our resident lipreader said it was a loud swear  ;D
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Wowbagger on 21 August, 2023, 11:00:46 am
Even I could lipread that one.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: De Sisti on 21 August, 2023, 11:47:37 am
Happy to give you something to comment about from your armchair!
Peter, calm down now. Don't take things too seriously FFS. ::-)
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Peter on 21 August, 2023, 12:15:08 pm
It was a joke (FFS)!
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 21 August, 2023, 01:36:38 pm
So what happens if she was off her line: are Spain going to ask for a replay?
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Peter on 21 August, 2023, 01:48:24 pm
No, just Gibraltar, as Wow suggested!
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Jaded on 22 August, 2023, 10:56:15 am
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And FIFA have since taken to X (formerly Twitter) to confirm that Earps was, in fact, on her line before she cancelled out Hermoso's effort.

A post read: "As with all penalties, the Video Assistant Referee checked Spain's penalty for encroachment by the goalkeeper and determined that Mary Earps' back foot was in line with the goal line."
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Peter on 22 August, 2023, 02:59:06 pm
I see your Russian linesman and raise you Mandy Rice Davies!

Not that it matters.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Wowbagger on 22 August, 2023, 11:09:58 pm
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Mandy Rice Davies

You are showing your age now... ;)
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Peter on 23 August, 2023, 01:17:27 am
The remark was aimed at Jaded (who can take it!) and he raised the Azerbaijani linesman who was only 3 years earlier than MRD.  Any road up, I'm proud of my age - I'm twice as old as my Dad got to and more than 3 times older than my grandfather managed.  And it's all down to not using Ian Botham's magic Revitive booster!! 
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: liam_whippet on 23 August, 2023, 11:00:23 am
They do say that if you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there - but in my case I was ver' ver' young ...

Anyway, wasn't MRD [whom I don't remember] 3 years *before* the World Cup [which I do]?
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: citoyen on 23 August, 2023, 11:34:22 am
I don't remember the 60s but that's because I literally wasn't there.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 August, 2023, 11:38:30 am
I remember getting very fed up that the World Cup Final had gone to extra time because I really wanted to go to the beach.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Peter on 23 August, 2023, 08:23:43 pm
They do say that if you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there - but in my case I was ver' ver' young ...

Anyway, wasn't MRD [whom I don't remember] 3 years *before* the World Cup [which I do]?

Yes, sorry, Liam, that is what I actually knew and meant - but didn't write!
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 23 August, 2023, 08:27:53 pm
I don't remember the 60s but that's because I literally wasn't there.
I think "the 60s" has become a bit of a cliche, like Monty Python and everything in the past being in a Yorkshire accent. Or even "the war". Not many people still alive now were actually there, and there have been many similar events since, but they somehow remain as iconic/ironic reference points.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Peter on 23 August, 2023, 08:34:20 pm
I don't remember the 60s but that's because I literally wasn't there.
I think "the 60s" has become a bit of a cliche, like Monty Python and everything in the past being in a Yorkshire accent. Or even "the war". Not many people still alive now were actually there, and there have been many similar events since, but they somehow remain as iconic/ironic reference points.

You only have to be 60 or over to have been in the 60s.  That's a huge percentage of the population, I think.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 23 August, 2023, 08:59:30 pm
You're right actually, almost a quarter of the population is 60 and over.
https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/uk-population-by-ethnicity/demographics/age-groups/latest
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2021 Census data shows that:

29.1% of all people in England and Wales (17.3 million) were under 25 years old
20.2% (12.0 million) were aged 25 to 39 years
26.3% (15.6 million) were aged 40 to 59 years
24.4% (14.5 million) were aged 60 years and over

I thought I'd seen a figure of 10% recently, but maybe that was over 70 or some higher age. Of course that's in the UK, worldwide it will be much lower – but they won't know anything about Monty Python either (and might have different references for the 1960s too).
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Wowbagger on 23 August, 2023, 11:26:20 pm
I don't remember the 60s but that's because I literally wasn't there.
I think "the 60s" has become a bit of a cliche, like Monty Python and everything in the past being in a Yorkshire accent. Or even "the war". Not many people still alive now were actually there, and there have been many similar events since, but they somehow remain as iconic/ironic reference points.

Where were you when you first witnessed The Parrot Sketch?
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 24 August, 2023, 12:11:54 am
I don't remember the 60s but that's because I literally wasn't there.
I think "the 60s" has become a bit of a cliche, like Monty Python and everything in the past being in a Yorkshire accent. Or even "the war". Not many people still alive now were actually there, and there have been many similar events since, but they somehow remain as iconic/ironic reference points.

Where were you when you first witnessed The Parrot Sketch?
Probably sitting in a scruffy PSO house with other scruffy PSOs, everything smelling of badly washed clothes, cheap lager and takeaways. It's possible some of us might even have had Yorkshire accents. But it would have been in colour, because it wasn't the past back then.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Wowbagger on 24 August, 2023, 12:20:14 am
Now you've got me wondering: was the parrot sketch originally in colour?

BBC2 was the first channel to have colour. It was launchd (IIRC) in 1964, very close to the 400th anniversary of Shakespeare's birth. But it wasn't in colour at the start.

MPFC started in (I believe) 1969, and I think the Parrot Sketch was in the first series. But it was late on a Sunday night on BBC1. We didn't have BBC2 because our telly was too old.

I'm pretty sure we got our first colour television in 1972, for the Olympics.

So I probably first saw it in B & W.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Mr Larrington on 24 August, 2023, 12:45:54 am
BBC2 didn’t start broadcasting in colour until Wmbldn* in July 1967, so chances are that anyone who claimed to have watched the 1966 World Cup Final in colour was either:

* pronunciation used by Harry Commentator in the carpentry box
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Wowbagger on 24 August, 2023, 12:48:03 am
When did colour infect the other channels?
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Mr Larrington on 24 August, 2023, 06:05:37 am
When did colour infect the other channels?

Let me just Google that for you…

[…]

15 November 1969.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: citoyen on 24 August, 2023, 02:04:06 pm
I’m just about old enough that my earliest memories of TV were b&w - but we got our first colour telly before I was five years old, I’m sure (so mid/late 70s).

I remember having a discussion with a school friend when I was about 7-8 - he insisted that b&w was better than colour but even at that age I knew he was just repeating the argument his cheapskate parents used to justify not replacing their set.

Of course, everyone rented their telly in those days. I don’t think we actually owned a telly until the late 80s.

Try telling that to the kids these days…
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: rogerzilla on 24 August, 2023, 02:08:08 pm
You only have to be 60 or over to have been in the 60s.  That's a huge percentage of the population, I think.
Hey! I was in the 60s, and I'm 54!
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Peter on 24 August, 2023, 02:10:23 pm
Yes, but you weren't conscious at age zero!
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Wowbagger on 24 August, 2023, 02:15:16 pm
We didn't rent our telly.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Salvatore on 24 August, 2023, 02:17:01 pm
BBC2 didn’t start broadcasting in colour until Wmbldn* in July 1967, so chances are that anyone who claimed to have watched the 1966 World Cup Final in colour was either:
  • ABROAD, or
  • lying


Or watched the newsreel version a few days later at the pictures

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0aK2IgORGA
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Wowbagger on 24 August, 2023, 02:27:52 pm
I watched that and half expected Boris Johnson to be up there presenting the cup.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: citoyen on 24 August, 2023, 02:39:48 pm
We didn't rent our telly.

You must have been dead posh!
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Jaded on 24 August, 2023, 06:05:39 pm
We didn't rent our telly.

You must have been dead posh!

Or it fell off the bsck of a lorry   ;D
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Wowbagger on 24 August, 2023, 06:55:11 pm
(https://www.radiomuseum.org/images/radio/murphy_radio_ltd/v410_2281933.jpg)

I think I was either 4 or 5 when my parents bought one like that. I think it was to entertain my oldest brother, who died, aged 18, only about a year after it was bought. He had muscular dystrophy and was wheelchair bound from around the time I was born.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Peter on 24 August, 2023, 07:05:02 pm
That's hard, Wow.  I don't suppose he was called John?
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Wowbagger on 26 August, 2023, 09:39:42 am
It seems That Kiss is causing massive repercussions. The Spanish ladies want, quite rightly in my book, to say Farewell and Adieu to the perpetrator, and are refusing to play again whilst he is still in post. Meanwhile, the Spanish football federation are threatening to sue them.

That has rather soured things less than a week after their triumph.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: De Sisti on 26 August, 2023, 02:13:29 pm
(https://www.radiomuseum.org/images/radio/murphy_radio_ltd/v410_2281933.jpg)

I think I was either 4 or 5 when my parents bought one like that.
The slot for the shilling is at the back?
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Jurek on 26 August, 2023, 02:40:49 pm
(https://www.radiomuseum.org/images/radio/murphy_radio_ltd/v410_2281933.jpg)

I think I was either 4 or 5 when my parents bought one like that.
The slot for the shilling is at the back?
When we came back from living in Greece we stayed with my ex's mother who had a hired TV from Radio Rentals which needed feeding with 50p's to make it work.
We'd got back from a Xmas holiday in Snowdonia to find that the flat had been broken into and the miscreants had smashed the coins box off the back of the TV.
We got rid of the TV at that point.
It must've been 1990 or thereabouts.


ETA - The whole Luis Rubiales thing is regrettable and revolting. The man is a disgrace and I feel sorry for the women who have just won The World Cup FFS - to have the event overshadowed by this trash.
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Peter on 28 August, 2023, 12:08:37 pm
It seems that being thick may be genetic:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66637880 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66637880)
Title: Re: Women's Football World Cup
Post by: Asterix, the former Gaul. on 29 August, 2023, 08:27:37 pm
It seems that being thick may be genetic:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66637880 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66637880)

US Republicans must be wondering what all the fuss is about.