Super-Twat

[Hot Flatus]

He also got the party elected and in power for 13 years.  The only 13 years in 44 years.

[Wowbagger]

He also got the party elected and in power for 13 years.  The only 13 years in 44 years.

During which time he cemented in business's power over ordinary people with more privatisation and anti-trade union legislation.

[rafletcher]

Ah, the old dichotomy, proper Labour vs more generally palatable Labour. IMO only the latter has a snowballs chance of getting in to power, but under Starmer? Yeuch.

[fd3]

He also got the party elected and in power for 13 years.  The only 13 years in 44 years.

Very much this

He didn't need to start the butchering of the NHS in the process though.  Bastard

But also this. (and academies, and tuition fees, and that little thing in Iraq...).

[Peter]

It's depressing that there are people (including on here) who continue to regard the (partial) record of somebody who hasn't been leading the Labour Party for 16 years as a valid reason for depriving that party of their vote in the coming election and thereby almost certainly perpetuating the appalling situation we have now.  The people who are hardest hit by the situation certainly won't be thanking these "purists" for their supposed nobility.  "What did you vote in the election, Daddy?"  "Erm ..."

[chrisbainbridge]

And reduced NHS waiting lists to pretty much the lowest they have been in my working lifetime

[fd3]

@peter, I think there' a different point on the Likert scale here, as opposed to a Boolean choice.
Blair had a number of faults and made some significant errors, many of them unforced and unnecessary.
He was also the best PM in my lifetime.
The consequences of his mistakes make it harder to explain to a new generation why Labour are better than the Conservatives (while it remains clear that they are less worse).

[Peter]

So "less worse" should be what we bang on about, rather than past errors.  We are not voting for a past government.

[Beardy]

The problem remains our parliamentary system of first past the post, a system that favours the group that suppresses or absorbs its close competitors and whose supporters more readily accept what they are told. An opposition that is more liberal in its views and practically encourages debate is going to be more fragmented and thus unlikely to have a single party.

Why the Labour Party continue to support FPTP is a mystery yet to be resolved.

[mrcharly-YHT]

@peter, I think there' a different point on the Likert scale here, as opposed to a Boolean choice.
Blair had a number of faults and made some significant errors, many of them unforced and unnecessary.
He was also the best PM in my lifetime.
The consequences of his mistakes make it harder to explain to a new generation why Labour are better than the Conservatives (while it remains clear that they are less worse).

Best comment I've ever read on this subject.

[Polar Bear]

I should like to point out that at the last Labour conference the motion to support PR was passed.  The leaders might not be fully onboard yet but the pressure will grow from within.

[ian]

And reduced NHS waiting lists to pretty much the lowest they have been in my working lifetime

Child poverty also. It’s almost like they don’t actually care and would much rather have a government they can angry about.

[Peter]

That's my point, really, Ian.

[andrewc]

Simon Murray, the "Lord" replying to Alf Dubs .....  https://twitter.com/JMPSimor/status/1678527005317292033

[mrcharly-YHT]

Simon Murray, the "Lord" replying to Alf Dubs .....  https://twitter.com/JMPSimor/status/1678527005317292033

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Initially thought the tweet had been deleted.

Nope, it is all of Twitter for me. Maybe it detected that I have Threads membership and is blocking me?

[Basil]

Nope, it is all of Twitter for me. Maybe it detected that I have Threads membership and is blocking me?

I'm on threads and Mastodon, but can still see twitter. 
I no longer post on twitter but my account is still visible.

[fd3]

Simon Murray, the "Lord" replying to Alf Dubs .....  https://twitter.com/JMPSimor/status/1678527005317292033

Out of touch much?

[Mr Larrington]

I know not whether gullible airhead Petronella Wyatt has graced this thread yet and CBA to check but her averral that:

I know of two British women in a well known London hospital who came back from Turkey with no kidneys. Their organs were literally stolen while the women were under anesthetic.

was met with exactly the kind of scorn and derision you’d expect.  Some examples are assembled here: https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2023/07/18/34-favourite-funny-reactions-to-a-mail-columnists-kidney-theft-hearsay/

[pumpkin]

just having an affair with Johnson and carrying his child (briefly) makes her a ST

[Nuncio]

I know not whether gullible airhead Petronella Wyatt has graced this thread yet

She has but but was ages ago and by a v forgettable forummer  https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=10772.msg2734862#msg2734862
 

[Beardy]

Being thick doesn’t make you a ST candidate, but repeatedly demonstrating it in public probably does.

[ian]

Pah, I came back from holiday and discovered three days later that I HAD NO LEGS.

[andrewc]

I've gone on _several_ cycling holidays and found I HAD NO LEGS!


Be kind.  This is a woman who had an affair with Boris Johnson.  She'll swallow anything..

[Tim Hall]

I've gone on _several_ cycling holidays and found I HAD NO LEGS!


Be kind.  This is a woman who had an affair with Boris Johnson.  She'll swallow anything..

Eeew. Thanks for that image.

[Canardly]

Bit seedy that.