Yet Another Cycling Forum
Off Topic => The Pub => Food & Drink => Topic started by: ian on 03 December, 2023, 04:25:21 pm
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So, yes, those 5-minute onions. I take the point that commercial kitchens have industrial levels of fire, but too much heat just scorches them in my experience. I do routinely sweat onions under the lid, but in practice, proper caramelization takes low heat and patience. I asked a chef once and he told me they pre-cook onions that they can then brown in a ten or so minutes. Apparently if they cook them all the way they turn into unsalvageable onion sludge if stored. Budget at least 45 minutes if you brown, caramelized onions. I never use sugar, I start them hot, plenty of salt, sweat them for five minutes and then turn down, cook them low or slow with occasional stirring. If they start to catch, add a splash of water. I'm terrified of crispy onions though, the gap between brown and burnt is minute. An ill-timed blink will result in a pan of burnt, bitter onion ashes. I confess I buy crispy fried onions in the little pot (you can't have a proper biriyani without crispy onions).
Another lie of the Big Kitchen is risotto and the fact you have to keep adding liquid and stirring. You do not. Add the required amount of stock, mix it up, and leave it. There's is no difference. Big Kitchen want you at the hob so they can do, you know, conspiracy things while you are distracted.
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The all-in-one risotto thing I first saw on a Delia Smith programme around the turn of the century. She put everything in a baking dish and shoved it in the oven.
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The all-in-one risotto thing I first saw on a Delia Smith programme around the turn of the century. She put everything in a baking dish and shoved it in the oven.
That's generally what I do, it's even less work than leaving it on the hob (where it needs a bit of supervision toward the end so it doesn't catch and burn to the pan bottom).
The theory with stirring is that the rice releases more starch, but it's starchy enough anyway, and gets stirred enough at the beginning. As for adding a little liquid at a time, I've no idea.
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Congratulations. You've been making paella, rather than risotto ;D
But you've been using risotto rice (presumably) rather than bomba rice.
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If you burn the bottom, bung in some saffron and put a mussel on top and pretend it was paella all the time. As a scientist I did try both stir and no-stir side-by-side and fed both to actual Italians and no difference was detected. Of course, it's possible those Italians were, in fact, mere tentacles of Big Kitchen sent to mislead me.
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Anyhow...
https://youtu.be/5ZeU1Wm1thQ?feature=shared
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Not a big kitchen lie, but absolute culinary bollocks;
Measure how much water for rice by adding enough that it is one finger joint above the rice.
A moment's thought indicates that this is complete cobblers. Tall pan with small base vs wide saute pan?
Anyway, big kitchen lie; All our food is cooked on the premises to order. If it is a chain restaurant, chances are that the food, certainly the sauce, was made in a factory and shipped to the restaurant in plastic bags.
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Lie:
Marking a dish with parmesan or gruyere as vegetarian.
I don't expect friends who are cooking for me to know, but anyone claiming to be a professional chef or cook should know.
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Not a big kitchen lie, but absolute culinary bollocks;
Measure how much water for rice by adding enough that it is one finger joint above the rice.
A moment's thought indicates that this is complete cobblers. Tall pan with small base vs wide saute pan?
Anyway, big kitchen lie; All our food is cooked on the premises to order. If it is a chain restaurant, chances are that the food, certainly the sauce, was made in a factory and shipped to the restaurant in plastic bags.
As a rule of, erm, thumb, that rice trick mostly seems to work, you're guestimating relative volumes.
Indeed the case for any chain restaurant, it's mostly an exercise in re-heating. Promises 'consistency of experience' apparently (corporate blurb shared by a friend who worked in a popular burger joint kitchen, or well, they were popular, are Byron's still around?). Personally, I'd rather chance inconsistency. Mind you, one late night we chanced on a Latin American place in Greenwich. Late but still open. I think quite possibly the worst meal ever, it wasn't Latin or American, or for that matter edible. They did fess up that the chef had gone home already so the waiter had tried to wing it with skills more suited to burning spaghetti hoops. I suppose points for trying, but no, we weren't paying.
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Make sure steaks are room temperature before cooking.
Load of bollocks.
"Well, Pierre Koffman said to do it, and surely he knows..."
Does he though? When did he last try not doing that?
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I recommend the following:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Food-Lab-Cooking-Through-Science/dp/0393081087
Other retailers are available.
Sam
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Make sure steaks are room temperature before cooking.
Load of bollocks.
"Well, Pierre Koffman said to do it, and surely he knows..."
Does he though? When did he last try not doing that?
I do tend to follow this rule out of habit but admit I don’t really know why.
What is the purported reason for it?
The only thing I can think of would be to avoid reducing the pan temperature too much when you pop the steak in, but I doubt it will make much practical difference unless the steak is actually frozen.
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As for adding a little liquid at a time, I've no idea.
Avoids the risk of the rice being cooked and there still being excess liquid in the pan.
One ladle at a time is ridiculous though - you can add a load at the start then top it up if necessary towards the end.
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Make sure steaks are room temperature before cooking.
Load of bollocks.
"Well, Pierre Koffman said to do it, and surely he knows..."
Does he though? When did he last try not doing that?
I do tend to follow this rule out of habit but admit I don’t really know why.
What is the purported reason for it?
The only thing I can think of would be to avoid reducing the pan temperature too much when you pop the steak in, but I doubt it will make much practical difference unless the steak is actually frozen.
The Food Lab says not to bother, it makes no difference. What does make a difference is resting it uncovered on a rack in the fridge for up to three days first, in order to let the surface dry out.
Sam
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As for adding a little liquid at a time, I've no idea.
Avoids the risk of the rice being cooked and there still being excess liquid in the pan.
One ladle at a time is ridiculous though - you can add a load at the start then top it up if necessary towards the end.
I have done many experiments with risotto. Adding a little at a time changes the consistency of the mix as you stir it and the way the liquid boils around the rice. If you use good quality risotto rice, this affects the way it moves around the spoon. I can more consistently get a creamy risotto but with textured rice by making it the traditional way. If you don't care about this kind of thing and are only interested in getting a tasty gloopy rice dish, do what you like.
Sam
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I recommend the following:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Food-Lab-Cooking-Through-Science/dp/0393081087
Other retailers are available.
Sam
his youtube channel is good resource as well
https://www.youtube.com/@JKenjiLopezAlt
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As for adding a little liquid at a time, I've no idea.
Avoids the risk of the rice being cooked and there still being excess liquid in the pan.
One ladle at a time is ridiculous though - you can add a load at the start then top it up if necessary towards the end.
I have done many experiments with risotto. Adding a little at a time changes the consistency of the mix as you stir it and the way the liquid boils around the rice. If you use good quality risotto rice, this affects the way it moves around the spoon. I can more consistently get a creamy risotto but with textured rice by making it the traditional way. If you don't care about this kind of thing and are only interested in getting a tasty gloopy rice dish, do what you like.
Sam
See, we have a Big Kitchen stooge in our midst. Trying to mislead us. I wonder why they want us in the kitchen, what are the agents of Big Kitchen doing? In your bedroom while you fruitlessly stir rice.
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Yes. I am absolutely a stooge. I fruitlessly stir rice and add stock a millilitre at a time so Mr Bait has plenty of time for playing Assassin's Creed. I get paid for this by Ubisoft, so it's actually Big Game I stooge for.
Sam
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Lie:
Marking a dish with parmesan or gruyere as vegetarian.
I don't expect friends who are cooking for me to know, but anyone claiming to be a professional chef or cook should know.
I use supermarket own brand 'italian style hard cheese' and it is just fine, and actually vegetarian. I get infeasibly cross when the online shopping sends an unadvertised sub of the posh expensive 'real' stuff.
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Lie:
Marking a dish with parmesan or gruyere as vegetarian.
I don't expect friends who are cooking for me to know, but anyone claiming to be a professional chef or cook should know.
I use supermarket own brand 'italian style hard cheese' and it is just fine, and actually vegetarian. I get infeasibly cross when the online shopping sends an unadvertised sub of the posh expensive 'real' stuff.
Which you can, of course, refuse to accept. Any subs we get are on the receipt emailed before delivery so we have a heads up,is that not the case with your supplier of choice?
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I have done many experiments with risotto. Adding a little at a time changes the consistency of the mix as you stir it and the way the liquid boils around the rice.
Yes, I can see the sense of that. Presumably the idea is that less liquid means the grains will jostle against each other more, and thus release more starch.
I guess it's the inverse of cooking pasta, where you need to use a big pan and plenty of water, so it can move around freely and not become a stodgy mess.
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I guess it's the inverse of cooking pasta, where you need to use a big pan and plenty of water, so it can move around freely and not become a stodgy mess.
Another lie from Big (Italian) Kitchen! As long as you stir for the first few minutes, it won't stick. The aforementioned Kenji Lopez-Alt makes a case in some recipes for using as little water as possible to make your pasta water as starchy as possible for use in oil-based sauces
https://www.seriouseats.com/how-to-cook-pasta-salt-water-boiling-tips-the-food-lab#toc-testing-the-waters
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I guess it's the inverse of cooking pasta, where you need to use a big pan and plenty of water, so it can move around freely and not become a stodgy mess.
Another lie from Big (Italian) Kitchen! As long as you stir for the first few minutes, it won't stick.
Past and recent personal experience makes me say “it depends”. I do think it depends on the pasta, both shape and manufacturer though. Some never sticks, some (for me at least) always does.
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I guess it's the inverse of cooking pasta, where you need to use a big pan and plenty of water, so it can move around freely and not become a stodgy mess.
Another lie from Big (Italian) Kitchen! As long as you stir for the first few minutes, it won't stick. The aforementioned Kenji Lopez-Alt makes a case in some recipes for using as little water as possible to make your pasta water as starchy as possible for use in oil-based sauces
https://www.seriouseats.com/how-to-cook-pasta-salt-water-boiling-tips-the-food-lab#toc-testing-the-waters
Hmmm, interesting. Actually, my approach to cooking pasta is already several steps along that road - I don't cook it at a rolling boil but always at a bare simmer, with the lid on the pan. This is more to do with reducing energy use than anything else.*
And yes, I'm well aware that pasta can stick together even in a large pan of water, so always give it a good stir when first adding it to the pan.
Fair point about starchier water being a good thing for some sauces.
But as he says, some pasta shapes, ie long and thin like spaghetti and fettuccine, do need lots of water - it's simply not practical to cook them in smaller pans - and fettuccine is the type of pasta I cook most often. Next time I do macaroni, I'll try it with less water.
*This kind of thing is where induction hobs are worth their weight in gold. Gas being the only fuel for serious cooks is another lie.
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I've never suffered from soggy pasta, but I do generally use a lot of water and bring it to a boil and then add the pasta, salt, a stir and let it simmer for the requisite time (if it says 8-10 mins, I'll do 9, I don't like too al dente). I hadn't considered the benefits of starchier water though, I mostly pick what I believe to be a starchier pasta if I need that.
Though I have a gas hob and fire appeals to my inner caveman, I confess that if I ever get another hob, it'll probably be induction, if for no better reason than it's easy to clean.
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One drawback to induction hobs is that is something does boil over it gets everywhere and often affects the controls too. Mine only has the boost control on a touch sensitive panel, but if that gets wet everything shuts down until it’s dried. A generally minor inconvenience.
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It's pretty hard to char an aubergine for Baba Ganoush on an induction hob...
(TBH, it's not that easy on a gas hob either, so I usually use the charcoal BBQ for that job.)
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Pretty much the only way to make aubergines edible is to char them with nothing short of a medium-yield nuclear blast.
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It is The King of Vegetables, for good reason.
Off with your head!
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It literally only tastes of something if you sear it with thermonuclear fire. There's the classic scene in Terminator 8: What's Cooking? where Sarah Connor tells the Terminator no, let judgment day happen, I'm planning to make baba ganoush.
Another lie is avocado. The average UK supermarket avocado is ripe for 14 seconds. Before that it's rock, after it's slime.
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Another lie is avocado. The average UK supermarket avocado is ripe for 14 seconds. Before that it's rock, after it's slime.
I'd not argue with that.
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This is what avocados are supposed to look like, and they don't taste of water either:
(http://handsonit.co.uk/photos/2023/Avocado.jpeg)
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At least to this Unit, that avocado looks suspiciously invisible.
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It's an http link and most browsers (well Firefox at least) insist on https these days. If you omit the [img] tags a link will be shown that you can click, and if you then agree to use http the image will load http://handsonit.co.uk/photos/2023/Avocado.jpeg
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One drawback to induction hobs is that is something does boil over it gets everywhere and often affects the controls too. Mine only has the boost control on a touch sensitive panel, but if that gets wet everything shuts down until it’s dried. A generally minor inconvenience.
OTOH, when that does happen, it's much easier to wipe up the overspill from an induction hob than a gas one.
It's pretty hard to char an aubergine for Baba Ganoush on an induction hob...
(TBH, it's not that easy on a gas hob either, so I usually use the charcoal BBQ for that job.)
Surely any self-respecting modern foodie has a blowtorch for such tasks?
(In truth, I find it perfectly acceptable to char aubergines under the grill - it would be too much faff to fire up the barbecue specially.)
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Pretty much the only way to make aubergines edible is to char them with nothing short of a medium-yield nuclear blast.
Aubergines exist for one reason.
To soak up spilt oil.
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It's a little-known fact* that the Royal Society for the Prevention of Birbs uses aubergines to clean pollution-befouled seagulls.
* Lie.
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Pretty much the only way to make aubergines edible is to char them with nothing short of a medium-yield nuclear blast.
Aubergines exist for one reason.
To soak up spilt oil.
It’s surely easier to drink it from the bottle?
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Back in the risotto wars, I'm going to make some tonight. Originally I used to follow La Cloake's version of the bit by bit method but lately I've been using her more recent 'bung it all in it'll be fine' method. I have found I've been making a pile of gloop lately though so tonight I might be trying the bit by bit method again.
Only problem with that is getting it and the halibut to be ready at the same time....
Has anyone tried making risotto in a rice cooker? (Not that I have one, just interested)
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Pretty much the only way to make aubergines edible is to char them with nothing short of a medium-yield nuclear blast.
Aubergines exist for one reason.
To soak up spilt oil.
Mmmmm, μελιτζάνες τιγανέτες. Yum.
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Back in the risotto wars, I'm going to make some tonight. Originally I used to follow La Cloake's version of the bit by bit method but lately I've been using her more recent 'bung it all in it'll be fine' method. I have found I've been making a pile of gloop lately though so tonight I might be trying the bit by bit method again.
Only problem with that is getting it and the halibut to be ready at the same time....
Has anyone tried making risotto in a rice cooker? (Not that I have one, just interested)
I always leave my risotto to “rest” off the heat after adding the butter at the end, plenty of time to cook fish. Halibut’s posh!
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If it’s good enough for Jehovah it’s good enough for Pingus. Or something.
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I use supermarket own brand 'italian style hard cheese' and it is just fine, and actually vegetarian. I get infeasibly cross when the online shopping sends an unadvertised sub of the posh expensive 'real' stuff.
Which you can, of course, refuse to accept. Any subs we get are on the receipt emailed before delivery so we have a heads up,is that not the case with your supplier of choice?
They are supposed to be flagged, yes. But parmesan is one that has been subbed without noitifcation a few times - from a couple of different supermarkets!
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Pretty much the only way to make aubergines edible is to char them with nothing short of a medium-yield nuclear blast.
Aubergines exist for one reason.
To soak up spilt oil.
Mmmmm, μελιτζάνες τιγανέτες. Yum.
googol tells me you have a superfluous έ in the second word. But it looks pretty good to me even if I can't quite work out how to say it.