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General Category => Audax => PBP => Topic started by: Exit Stage Left on 09 May, 2019, 11:21:51 am
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I see that the Australians have gone for an indigenous art theme.
(https://www.audax.org.au/public/images/stories/PBP/2019pbpjerseyfront.jpg)
(https://www.audax.org.au/public/images/stories/PBP/2019pbpjerseyback.jpg)
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nice
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Very eye-catching.
The AUK design will be along in a couple of weeks, or possibly earlier if the web page is ready.
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Blimey, hope I am not following that when tired; I'll think I'm seeing things.
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It does suggest a theme tune for the Aussie contingent.
'Enjoy this trip, enjoy this trip, and it is a trip'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpeRShWMdYM
The secret to PBP style is capturing the essence of thirty years ago. Acid House and Rave should be featured at all the controls.
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There has been a significant amount of thought gone into the OZ 2019 PBP Jersey that might not be apparent to a sleep deprived rider in the middle of the third night but would be immediately apparent to a culturally aware AUK rider.
"The artwork that formed the basis for the PBP jersey is an authentic Indigenous design especially created for Audax Australia by Lani Balzan, a leading indigenous artist. Lani’s original artwork represents the journey the members of the Audax Australia Cycling Club will experience to participate..."
Lani Balzan says,
“It’s so important for non-Indigenous people to embrace and share our culture, to build on reconciliation and to show our culture to the rest of the world. My art on your jersey will represent Australia and our Nation’s first people. I feel so honoured to be part of this story and to share my culture with Audax Australia Cycling Club.
There are elements within the painting that have significant meaning. The top right and bottom left painted corner areas represent the lands of the two countries - Australia and France - that the riders will travel between just to start. This is a journey on its own! The dotted green and blue areas represent the lands and the oceans that are travelled throughout this journey. The black and white dotted areas represent the concept of the training and preparation of the riders, and the hard work, commitment, determination and hardship that the riders endure through this journey.
The gathering symbol at the bottom right represents the riders from all over the world coming together at the end of this astonishing event. The white dots from big to small represent the thousands of riders embarking on the route from Paris to Brest on the north west coast of France and returning together at the finish in Paris. The red dots moving down towards the gathering symbol represent the thousands of riders heading off into the night with their red tail lights glowing along the way. Finally, the hand print on the left-hand side represents the bond of friendship between the riders and their collective strength. This is to be worn over their heart.”
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That has whetted the appetite for a similar commentary accompanying the launch of the AUK cycling top design.
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I do like the design, it evokes the ideas of 'Walkabout' and 'Dreamtime' which link to the hermit traditions of the Abrahamic religions. I've alluded to Christ's forty days in the wilderness elsewhere.
I recall a conversation with a US rider in 2003, somewhere around Uzel, in the dark. He told us of his time in Vietnam, and his struggles since then, moving from job to job. How he'd ridden PBP twice, but not finished it. He seemed to be searching for some form of redemption. It was tempting to reach out and help him achieve his dream. He then asked if we'd seen the thousands of butterflies which surrounded a passing car. We quietly upped our pace, and rode off. That jersey design brings that to mind.
When someone asks, "What's it like to ride 1200km in all terrain and weathers, with three hours sleep?" I could say "It's like this jersey". I'll be surprised if anyone gets back to Oz without having swapped it.
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The French title of the film 'Walkabout' is fortuitous.
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pNq3TIHJ1bE/WVwQD8KUqUI/AAAAAAAAHZM/BeCXoml6XAUnQrs-ocImXwjwptVZW7YPgCLcBGAs/s1600/Walkabout.jpg)
The design has a personal resonance for me. I interviewed Martin Pearson about LEL 2009 while at a Neolithic site near Inverness on 200 in August 2009. I asked him how it compared to indigenous sites in Australia. He said that they tended to be rock paintings rather than structures. So again, quite evocative.
https://vimeo.com/93264291
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Very eye-catching.
The AUK design will be along in a couple of weeks, or possibly earlier if the web page is ready.
I have a full set of the ACP official ones, but none of the AUK ones. I'm not one for wearing/waving union jacks.
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The 2015 uk jersey which was shit.
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Very eye-catching.
The AUK design will be along in a couple of weeks, or possibly earlier if the web page is ready.
Something seems to have appeared on the forcegb website. Dates on the jersey seem correct although resolution in low.
Not sure if I prefer the England or Scotland variant.
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Very eye-catching.
The AUK design will be along in a couple of weeks, or possibly earlier if the web page is ready.
Something seems to have appeared on the forcegb website. Dates on the jersey seem correct although resolution in low.
Not sure if I prefer the England or Scotland variant.
It has, but it's incomplete as it shows only the front of the jerseys - and the back is much more interesting!
I've asked Force GB to change it to show both sides and won't be advertising the jerseys until that's done as it may put people off.
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and the back is much more interesting!
Seems wise, because we are fast and people from other countries will be behind us. ;D
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Very eye-catching.
The AUK design will be along in a couple of weeks, or possibly earlier if the web page is ready.
Something seems to have appeared on the forcegb website. Dates on the jersey seem correct although resolution in low.
Not sure if I prefer the England or Scotland variant.
It has, but it's incomplete as it shows only the front of the jerseys - and the back is much more interesting!
I've asked Force GB to change it to show both sides and won't be advertising the jerseys until that's done as it may put people off.
Since there are two grades of Jersey for each colour. Could they not show the front for the club Jersey and the back for the event Jersey. So all artwork is visible rather than showing both sides against each item which doesn't seem to be there standard.
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That is what Force GB are going to do, hopefully by the weekend. It's required a bit of extra work on their part as their system is set up only to show the fronts (and, I presume, they need to add in a bolt-on to allow people to order either fit in either design). As soon as the site is ready, I'll announce it on the AUK web site and relevant forums.
The cut-off date for ordering will be around 5th July for UK delivery in good time for PBP but it will also be possible to order jerseys after the event - I know some people are superstitious about buying the jersey before they have earned it ;).
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- I know some people are superstitious about buying the jersey before they have earned it ;).
If you pursue that policy with the official ACP event jersey, there is a risk that they are sold out.
ACP is risk averse when it comes to re-ordering.
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I know some people are superstitious about buying the jersey before they have earned it ;).
Your earn it by completing the qualifiers and registration :o :o
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I know some people are superstitious about buying the jersey before they have earned it ;).
Your earn it by completing the qualifiers and registration :o :o
Ah, but would you wear it before completing the ride itself?
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I did in 2015 as it allowed me to take one less jersey on the ride down to PBP. However, given how much it stank after 4 days of PBP; I am tempted to instead get myself a merino jersey to wear which may hold up a bit better.
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Ah, but would you wear it before completing the ride itself?
On the last day, when you are reasonably sure that you will finish the ride, I would say yes.
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Ah, but would you wear it before completing the ride itself?
On the last day, when you are reasonably sure that you will finish the ride, I would say yes.
I put mine on at Fougeres on the way back last time. Previously I have left them at the hotel for the ride home.
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I've always viewed country-specific PBP/LEL jerseys as the equivalent of personalised stag weekend t-shirts... so wearing them during the event makes a lot more sense than after.
(with the proper event jerseys being more like marathon finishers t-shirts)
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I've always viewed country-specific PBP/LEL jerseys as the equivalent of personalised stag weekend t-shirts... so wearing them during the event makes a lot more sense than after.
(with the proper event jerseys being more like marathon finishers t-shirts)
agree with this, wear AUK PBP jersey during as it helps identify you to other AUK members, and official pbp jersey after so everyone knows you did it.
Wondering if there is a culture of swapping national pbp jerseys after the event.
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A Google image search for "pbp Jersey 2019" brings up a selection...
This seems to be the officiel ACP Jersey
(https://imgshare.io/images/2019/05/18/DxMRlXyU0AAKAAb.jpg)
Brazil...
(https://imgshare.io/images/2019/05/18/CAMISA-ELITE-2.png)
New Zealand
(https://imgshare.io/images/2019/05/18/KiwiRand-PBP-jersey-B.jpg)
Japan
(https://imgshare.io/images/2019/05/18/D1I3m3SUcAsrYTJ.jpg)
And... Finland
(https://i.imgur.com/mUqO5VC.jpg)
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I've always viewed country-specific PBP/LEL jerseys as the equivalent of personalised stag weekend t-shirts
Do you often find yourself comparing audax with stag weekends??
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Wondering if there is a culture of swapping national pbp jerseys after the event.
There absolutely is this tradition. A lot of people order 2 national PBP jerseys, one to keep and one to swap.
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The Force GB web site is now showing both the front and rear designs of the AUK jersey. Choice of red or blue - the design features the AUK logo, the PBP logo, discreet flags of each of the four UK nations plus a Union Flag, the dates and distance of the ride and, finally, a little joke for the benefit of our French hosts.
Order here: https://forcegb.com/club-shops/audax-paris-brest-paris-2019 (https://forcegb.com/club-shops/audax-paris-brest-paris-2019)
Orders received by 5th July will be delivered to UK addresses in time for the ride and the site will stay open afterwards for additional / replacement jerseys to be ordered.
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Has anyone got a view on the difference between the two qualities of top offered? The only Force GB top I can find in my kit is the 2013 LEL top. (for some reason, I've always disliked the two back pocket design on this but on the website it does say they both have three)
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I have a 2017 Mille Pennines in the 'Event' style (bought in 2016 :facepalm:)and it's a bit flappy. I have a 2017 LEL one in the 'Club' style - it's deliberately cut a bit tighter "Athletic cut provides both style and comfort" - and it fits me snugly (I kid myself I still had an 'athletic' profile and anyway did try various ones on while helping dish clothing out on the registration day of LEL so I was sure which size I wanted). Both are 'L' and I'm 178cm and 96cm chest / 87cm waist.
There are some other differences which are listed (eg some mesh and a mini zipped pocket in the 'club' version).
HTH
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The image resolution on the Force GB web site is not that great. This shows the design a bit more clearly. (It's also available in red)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8H_BRJWkAAo6GC.jpg:large)
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The term 'rosbifs' is an interesting choice. It can be used as an insult against the English, and conveys the same sense as 'Gammon'. Some feel that it's a term that came about from the workrate and appetite of the navvies who built the first railways in France. They would have consumed 6,000 to 7,000 calories per day, much of that beef.
(The English navvy, who went abroad soon after the beginning of railway building, was a revelation to the foreigner. 'My God,' said the French, 'these English, how they work.' At first on the Paris-Le Havre railway the English navvy gave orders by stamping his foot, shouting 'damn' and pointing a finger like a pick blade at what he wanted done. A kind of Anglo-French lingua-franca soon grew up offering brief careers to bright young Savoyards who specialised in translating it. In France the English navvy was a creature to be gawped at for his bigness, uncouthness and wildness. They brought the navvy-sized iron tools and money-making barrows, discarding the puny wooden things the French worked with. Where the French ate sparingly of bread and fruit, the English swallowed heaps of bacon and beef).
http://www.victorianweb.org/history/work/sullivan/7.html
The comparison between the output of British and French workers prompted the adoption of more meat into the French diet. The navvies came from around the UK and Ireland, so its bracketing between the various flags isn't an error. What non meat eaters might think is another issue.
I wonder what the Audax Ireland shirt will look like?
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Seems I've just learned something about the flag of Northern Ireland (or lack of)
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Too many flags for me, not to mention the cardboard crow.
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Seems I've just learned something about the flag of Northern Ireland (or lack of)
Tricky one that. Apparently, the official flag of NI is simply the Union Flag. So, after much discussion, we opted for the St Patrick's Saltaire as it's the component of the Union Flag that represents NI.
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Audax seems to be like Rugby Union in Ireland, run by a single Irish body. There's a 600 out of Belfast on Saturday. https://www.audaxireland.org/events-calendar/gazetteer/600km-events/ulster-600/
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Audax seems to be like Rugby Union in Ireland, run by a single Irish body. There's a 600 out of Belfast on Saturday. https://www.audaxireland.org/events-calendar/gazetteer/600km-events/ulster-600/
So does that mean we should be audax GB and not audax UK, if audax Ireland also covers Ulster?
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Audax seems to be like Rugby Union in Ireland, run by a single Irish body. There's a 600 out of Belfast on Saturday. https://www.audaxireland.org/events-calendar/gazetteer/600km-events/ulster-600/
So does that mean we should be audax GB and not audax UK, if audax Ireland also covers Ulster?
The agreement with AUK is clear about the geographical area.
The Audax Club Parisien delegates the management of the Brevets de Randonneurs Mondiaux to an individual, actual person, nominated as the "ACP representative" in his/her assigned geographical area.
The geographical area of the ACP representative in this agreement is as follows : UNITED KINGDOM
Notes :
The geographical area must be at least equivalent to a political state. For historical reasons related to the worldwide growth of the organization of the Brevets de Randonneurs Mondiaux, it is accepted that Canada and Spain have geographical areas by region (2 regions for Spain and 6 regions for Canada). For these two particular cases, it is desirable to reduce these subdivisions.
2. The ACP representative has authority in his/her assigned geographical area.
3. The ACP representative is the sole correspondent of the ACP for his/her assigned geographical area, except as provided for in Article 9, chapter 2, (notes), of this Agreement.
Article 9, chapter 2, provides a bit of a plausible interpretation of the status quo. As one of the official languages of Northern Ireland is Irish.
The ACP representative must correspond with the ACP only through the ACP individual responsible for the Brevets de Randonneurs Mondiaux overseeing his geographical area.
Notes :
In the case of a geographical area utilizing multiple official languages, the ACP representative can name an assistant ACP representative of another official language and whose identity and language are mentioned in appendix 1 of this convention. The assistant ACP representative can be authorized to facilitate the exchanges of internal mail between the ACP individual responsible for the Brevets de Randonneurs Mondiaux and the ACP representative. In all cases he must follow the opinion and instructions of the ACP representative. The identity and linguistic area of the representative ACP-assistant will be mentioned in the calendars of the Brevets de Randonneurs Mondiaux and other flow charts. The ACP representative can at any time inform in writing the ACP individual responsible for the Brevets de Randonneurs Mondiaux of any changes on the subject..
In all the cases, the ACP individual responsible for must have only one contact .
https://www.audax.uk/media/1804/acp_convention_de_partenariat_uk_2015_anglais.pdf
Ulster is, of course, in both the UK, and the Republic.
If I was riding PBP, I'd be tempted by the Yorkshire National Park Jersey. The start/finish at the National Sheepfold calls out for an Ovine-based design. It would be easy to get a reference to PBP printed on it.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0882/2858/products/hoops_jersey_2016_large.jpg?v=1471248511)
I'd even call the sheep motif 'Rambeau', which works as a pun on several levels: The poet, the film character, a reference to the Start/Finish, and the idea of a handsome sheep.
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Audax seems to be like Rugby Union in Ireland, run by a single Irish body. There's a 600 out of Belfast on Saturday. https://www.audaxireland.org/events-calendar/gazetteer/600km-events/ulster-600/
So does that mean we should be audax GB and not audax UK, if audax Ireland also covers Ulster?
Northern Ireland is in principle covered by both AUK and Audax Ireland, though in practice most randonneurs there join and ride under the auspices of AI - last time I checked, there were maybe a dozen AUK members who gave addresses in NI.
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Ulster is, of course, in both the UK, and the Republic.
not exactly; none of Ulster is in both the UK and the Republic, the 6 counties Antrim, Armagh, Down, Fermanagh, Londonderry and Tyrone are in the UK, Donegal Cavan and Monaghan are in the Republic.
The St Patricks Saltire is sadly a bit unloved and isolated outside of the Union flag as it no longer represents any country or part thereof, Northern Ireland having its own (now obsolete) flag which is not contained within the Union flag. Its presence in the Union flag has been reduced to a few diagonal wisps of red.
Jersey still use it as the main basis of their flag though (with Guernsey using a version based on the St George flag)
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Ulster is, of course, in both the UK, and the Republic.
not exactly; none of Ulster is in both the UK and the Republic, the 6 counties Antrim, Armagh, Down, Fermanagh, Londonderry and Tyrone are in the UK, Donegal Cavan and Monaghan are in the Republic.
The St Patricks Saltire is sadly a bit unloved and isolated outside of the Union flag as it no longer represents any country or part thereof, Northern Ireland having its own (now obsolete) flag which is not contained within the Union flag. Its presence in the Union flag has been reduced to a few diagonal wisps of red.
There is an Ulster Flag, used by both the GAA and the Ulster Rugby Team, but as Ulster is not entirely within the UK, it's not appropriate for AUK.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Ulster
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Flag_of_Ulster.svg/255px-Flag_of_Ulster.svg.png)
I'm attracted to the Yorkshire Dales jersey upthread partly because the Yorkshire Dales takes in parts of Lancashire and Cumbria, as well as part of Yorkshire. The Lancashire and Westmorland Hedgelaying Association has a competition in the Yorkshire Dales. Geography is separate from political boundaries.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/aug/01/yorkshire-dales-expand-lancashire-national-parks-extension-leck-fell
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If I was riding PBP, I'd be tempted by the Yorkshire National Park Jersey. The start/finish at the National Sheepfold calls out for an Ovine-based design. It would be easy to get a reference to PBP printed on it.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0882/2858/products/hoops_jersey_2016_large.jpg?v=1471248511)
I'd even call the sheep motif 'Rambeau', which works as a pun on several levels: The poet, the film character, a reference to the Start/Finish, and the idea of a handsome sheep.
Might just take you up on that ,Damon, but only if it guarantees a walk on part in the film. ;)
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Giving this a little bump as there are just two weeks and two days left to get your order in if you want to guarantee that you can wear the jersey on the ride...
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from force GB website
All orders will be collated and then manufactured with a view to posting out to riders and to arrive a week before the start of the event.
As such there is cut off date of 5th July for recipt of orders, in order to guarantee delivery before the event.
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Couldn't decide on the colour so ordered one of each. I guess I could always swap one for another country. I rather like those Australian hallucination inducing jerseys.....
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"The artwork that formed the basis for the PBP jersey is an authentic Indigenous design especially created for Audax Australia by Lani Balzan, a leading indigenous artist. Lani’s original artwork represents the journey the members of the Audax Australia Cycling Club will experience to participate..."
I just loved the design and story behind it. So my secondary objective for PBP was to swap jerseys with an Australian. Very pleased that this mission was also accomplished, I even got the right size :) I do hope Brendan fits in my shirt, as the Dutch jersey appears to be much more "race cut" than the Australian one!
Did you get the chance to exchange jerseys? And what where your favourite designs? I though the Indian one (gold elephants on blue) and Korean (classic coloured bands at the upper arms) were very nice too.
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Not too many Aussies were wearing that jersey; quite a few wore older designs. If there needs to be an explanation of the design, it is too complex for tired PBPers to cope with.
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I had a full explanation of it at the finish, provided by IIRC ,the lady president or chairperson of Audax Australia.
I was so tired that I forgot most of it except something about a long wiggly line representing the journey from Paris to Brest etc.
I also forgot to take a photo, which was why I asked the lady in the first place.
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I'd really like a Japanese style reflective.
I hope a bit of googling will find an online shop