I came across this interesting site today when going through some stuff for a week over there... its a bit like a dutch version of cycle.travel
https://routeplanner.fietsersbond.nl/
Has options to avoid unpaved & ferries (of which there are lots if you're not careful :D )
Thanks for the local knowledge Vince.
I'm getting very nervous about the desire to include any of the local ferries on the route ... a lot of potential for something to go wrong. I would much rather use buffer time at the end of the ride enjoying a nice meal, not waiting for an inland ferry and end up pedalling furiously trying to make the return ferry before it sets sail.
I might just try to meet up with you chaps somehow. Whether it is possible who knows, but it is just faintly feasible.
I recommend you message roffa otp who lives in Rotterdam and does loads of riding around NL.
Thanks for the local knowledge Vince.
I'm getting very nervous about the desire to include any of the local ferries on the route ... a lot of potential for something to go wrong. I would much rather use buffer time at the end of the ride enjoying a nice meal, not waiting for an inland ferry and end up pedalling furiously trying to make the return ferry before it sets sail.
Hi guys, I do a lot of my riding on routes that connect well to Hook of Holland. What kind of riding do you want to do? Delta works? Polders? The industrial landscape surrounding Rotterdam (Maasvlakte, Voorne)
Lunch arrangements somewhere nice?
Funnily last year I did a nice tour via Beijerland and thought about how nice it would be if this could be a tour for YACF?
What's the mileage you want to cover? Etc.
The problem now with this thread is a weeks tour is now being formulated in my mind....we might even meet up on the ferry!
Well I'm squeezing a week in at the beginning of July... so I'll be getting my annual dutch quota in :thumbsup:
If cycling in the Netherlands proves to be as idyllic as many folks say I might even see if I can get The Current Mrs R over there :o I will see how we get on in September.We expounded the delights of touring in the Netherlands to Veloman at some length during an audax a couple of years ago (probably G&Y fields) and he and Mrs Veloman went off for a holiday last year. We were very relieved having done the hard sell that they had a great time.
Definitely interested in this - will take a look at suggested routes later. We have cycled quite a lot in the Netherlands and always look forward to our next "fix".
On the topic of ferries - there is one type of ferry we really should try to incorporate - the self operated chain ferry! See the second picture down in this article https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/travel/bikes-and-ferries-combine-for-a-freewheeling-dutch-adventure/2016/10/13/ea0ce9ba-8b23-11e6-875e-2c1bfe943b66_story.html
There is one like this just north of Vlaardingen - and finding it on our last ride over there really made our day.
Starting out at Hoek van Holland you could also use parts of the Bunnik audax routes. They head roughly northeast, so usually it would be returning into a headwind.
Definitely interested in this - will take a look at suggested routes later. We have cycled quite a lot in the Netherlands and always look forward to our next "fix".
On the topic of ferries - there is one type of ferry we really should try to incorporate - the self operated chain ferry! See the second picture down in this article https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/travel/bikes-and-ferries-combine-for-a-freewheeling-dutch-adventure/2016/10/13/ea0ce9ba-8b23-11e6-875e-2c1bfe943b66_story.html
There is one like this just north of Vlaardingen - and finding it on our last ride over there really made our day.
Route 2B looks good as well, an embarrassment of riches!
Route 2B looks good as well, an embarrassment of riches!
I agree. It looks like we'll be treated to a near full gamut that the Netherlands has to offer, with the second trip that you've mooted filling in some gaps.
Route 2B looks good as well, an embarrassment of riches!
I agree. It looks like we'll be treated to a near full gamut that the Netherlands has to offer, with the second trip that you've mooted filling in some gaps.
The nice thing about Dutch landscape planning is that it produces so much variety on a small scale.
If all of you feel tempted towards 2b, I'll flesh it out a bit more and cycle some stretches. Can add rest stops and cafes and such.
I just booked my ferries - count me in! :)
Mind boggling how any paths there are. http://www.fietsnet.be/routeplanner/default.aspx (http://www.fietsnet.be/routeplanner/default.aspx)
Netherland’s extensive network of sign-posted cycling routes, including the LF long-distance cycle paths, consists of numbered junctions joined by sign-posted connecting routes in either direction. At each junction there is an information panel showing an overview map of the whole network with the junction numbers. A second panel shows all the intersections directly connected to that junction. The system enables cyclists to plan their own routes by preparing a list of junction numbers through which they want to travel
I just booked my ferries - count me in! :)
Hooray! Going fixed???
I've just bought the following map as backup for our visit in the summer but it was the description of the cycle routes I thought was quite handy
http://www.stanfords.co.uk/Netherlands-Super-Durable-Cycling-Map-South_9789058810151
I reckon it was at 62 along LF11, according to Open Cycle Map anyway. I haven't dug out the NL cycling maps (though we do those)
Definitely interested in this - will take a look at suggested routes later. We have cycled quite a lot in the Netherlands and always look forward to our next "fix".
On the topic of ferries - there is one type of ferry we really should try to incorporate - the self operated chain ferry! See the second picture down in this article https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/travel/bikes-and-ferries-combine-for-a-freewheeling-dutch-adventure/2016/10/13/ea0ce9ba-8b23-11e6-875e-2c1bfe943b66_story.html
There is one like this just north of Vlaardingen - and finding it on our last ride over there really made our day.
Can you remember which post number it was at?
Worth checking your EHIC expiry date before we go! (mine expires next month!)Good call, mine expired in January!
ETA: Make sure you use the NHS/Gov website to renew, not one of the "renewal services" !! :thumbsup:
https://www.ehic.org.uk/Internet/startApplication.do
Worth checking your EHIC expiry date before we go! (mine expires next month!)Good call, mine expired in January!
ETA: Make sure you use the NHS/Gov website to renew, not one of the "renewal services" !! :thumbsup:
https://www.ehic.org.uk/Internet/startApplication.do
Renew applied for...
Huggy - 2 daysI'm in for the full experience, yesterday I changed my return ferry trip to Sunday evening :thumbsup:??
Oaky - 1 day
Well done, jibers you've successfully confused the hell out of me, which admittedly isn't hard these days. For those of us getting the ferry home on Saturday evening which of your eleventy million route options applies to us???
Andrew - when are you back in the UK ?
I also want to check with Oaky re distance. OD was happy not to do a full 200km, but I want to check whether Oaky would prefer to complete a 200km or is happy for a slightly shorter ride. This may determine whether their route is planned as a loop back to the ferry, or more of a straight line.
I also want to check with Oaky re distance. OD was happy not to do a full 200km, but I want to check whether Oaky would prefer to complete a 200km or is happy for a slightly shorter ride. This may determine whether their route is planned as a loop back to the ferry, or more of a straight line.
I'm more than happy with a shorter ride.
Again?? Didn't you learn your lesson on the Green Man beer garden slide?!I also want to check with Oaky re distance. OD was happy not to do a full 200km, but I want to check whether Oaky would prefer to complete a 200km or is happy for a slightly shorter ride. This may determine whether their route is planned as a loop back to the ferry, or more of a straight line.
I'm more than happy with a shorter ride.
I'm still confused. Exactly what is the plan?
I'm still confused. Exactly what is the plan?
Yourself and Oaky are doing a day trip in the Netherlands, accompanied by some excellent outriders who will safely navigate you around some of the best scenery in the region.
I'll spend some time on the route this week, so that we can confirm the specifics of the route, where your path will diverge from those staying the extra day, and rough time schedule.
Remember the KISS maxim."I wanna rock and roll all night and party every day" ?
I've got a gate pass for the Dutch weekend - and now ferry tickets.
Are there plans of where we are staying on the Saturday night?
Jan
To those that have experience of such things in the Netherlands, any suggestions as to how much cash in Euro to take is a good number?
Thanks to Jason's vast knowledge base, we have identified a rather good overnight accommodation deal for Saturday 16th Sept, on the outskirts of Gouda. This is optimally placed for ending a 200km ride, and for arranging a split point for OD and Oaky to get back in plenty of time for the ferry.
I've booked 4 rooms at the following location ... https://www.campanile.com/en/hotels/campanile-gouda
Price I paid was £56 per twin room. I'm assuming the tandem will take one room, Jason will take one room. Jan and Huggy, I need to know your preferences re sharing or not. I'm happy sharing or staying solitary.
I took a bit of a risk by not paying the flexible rate, so there is no cancellation option. Saves £40 though.
If anybody else is joining us on the Saturday night, I'm happy to extend the booking, or you can book directly.
I will circulate the proposed routes on Sunday. Once agreed, we will do a group mandatory route 200km for those staying over on the Saturday night, and a leisurely-ish ride on the Sunday.
Anyone received their EHIC renewal yet?Yep, got it back within a couple of days :thumbsup:
To those that have experience of such things in the Netherlands, any suggestions as to how much cash in Euro to take is a good number?
In a lot of places you can pay by card, so you don't need everything in cash.
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UK debit cards use credit card technology for card payments. Very few Dutch shops and services will take credit cards. Dutch debit cards use a different system.
You will be able to get cash out of ATMs with a UK debit card though.
A lot of services are card only including a lot of ticket machines in rail stations - Schiphol was one of the few places where the ticket machines work with UK cards.
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Getting closer... :thumbsup:
And by the way, a pretty image is all well and good but where is the chuffin' route?
and the weather? you have put in the order for weather??And by the way, a pretty image is all well and good but where is the chuffin' route?
Proposal will be posted here this evening. Still some minor tweaking needed by jibers/myself, but it'll give you an idea of the plan.
and the weather? you have put in the order for weather??And by the way, a pretty image is all well and good but where is the chuffin' route?
Proposal will be posted here this evening. Still some minor tweaking needed by jibers/myself, but it'll give you an idea of the plan.
That's what I was counting onand the weather? you have put in the order for weather??And by the way, a pretty image is all well and good but where is the chuffin' route?
Proposal will be posted here this evening. Still some minor tweaking needed by jibers/myself, but it'll give you an idea of the plan.
There will be weather.
^^^ Really? The Dutch have a card system which is completely out of step with the rest of the world? I've been to Amsterdam a few times and paid for stuff with a credit card without any bother.Until a couple of years ago they had a Mondex type system for paying parking charges and vending machines.
^^^ Really? The Dutch have a card system which is completely out of step with the rest of the world? I've been to Amsterdam a few times and paid for stuff with a credit card without any bother.
I can strongly recommend a Caxton FX currency card, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmartin put me on to them a few years ago..
I have zero problems paying abroad with it, just don't use it for any sort of guarantee like car rental or when a hotel asks for your card as you check in to cover minibar etc else you can run the risk of it being blocked for a few weeks...
Works exactly the same as a bank card would and there is an app to allow you to load it with money whilst out and about - couldn't be easier! They make their money on the exchange rate being slightly lower so if you have a bank account with free transactions in foreign money then probably not worth the hassle, if you do have to pay fees, then depending on how much you use your bank card abroad, it can be worthwhile..
https://www.caxtonfx.com/currency-cards/
Not sure if there is enough time to get a card between now and the trip, but there might be...
Done one last tweak to the amended amended amended route, and that's the getting to Leiden: instead of going through a rather boring stretch, we're now on the bike path to the back of the Aldegeest Estate, which is much nicer IMO.Hi Roffa, the plan now is to go anti-clockwise so Hoek to Kinder then to the coast we will have a group beer & food there and then 2 of our riders will then head towards the ferry whilst the remainder will head across to Gouda for overnight stay.
here
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/25030213
Hi Roffa ... long time no hear.
I'm not sure if you have seen the progress in the thread, but we have a 2 riders from the UK doing just a single day, and 6 riding 2 days. We've therefore been looking at a slightly amended route that enables a shorter route for those returning to the ferry, with a split after approx 2/3 of the ride for the remainder to continue to complete a 200km and stay overnight in Gouda.
I'm busy right now, but I'll take a look later this evening at your revised route, and see how it compares against the route jiberjaber has been kindly working on.
In terms of start time, our ferry docks at about 8am from memory, so we should be leaving the terminal by 8:30am if not earlier. I'll confirm this later.
Done one last tweak to the amended amended amended route, and that's the getting to Leiden: instead of going through a rather boring stretch, we're now on the bike path to the back of the Aldegeest Estate, which is much nicer IMO.Hi Roffa, the plan now is to go anti-clockwise so Hoek to Kinder then to the coast we will have a group beer & food there and then 2 of our riders will then head towards the ferry whilst the remainder will head across to Gouda for overnight stay.
here
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/25030213
I'll have a look at your revised route later and see if there are any bits I can incorporate into the current proposal. :)
ETA: Looks like I cross posted with Andrew.. :)
I think your route is basically the same as our from 48km to 211km (except we are doing it in reverse! :) ) The only new bit is Lieden your 60km to 68km which seems to an inland cyclepath next to a train line? Our route for that section currently follows Oostvlietweg next to Park Vlietland so a waterside run out of Lieden
I was contemplating riding to Harwich after work on Friday. I have THIS ROUTE (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/25086675) which I have used before. Has anyone got any betterer alternatives? I'm happy to follow a wheel.
I'm thinking of parking somewhere in the Manningtree/Mistley area.
For parking, why not a street in Manningtree?
D2 two versions, 1 with ferry and 1 without ferry (I prefer the one without as it enters towards Hoek in a less industrial area, but could flex the ferry version to do similar?)
D2 two versions, 1 with ferry and 1 without ferry (I prefer the one without as it enters towards Hoek in a less industrial area, but could flex the ferry version to do similar?)
I am a bit confused - that link shows three D2 routes and it looks as if they all use the Rozenburg-Maassluis ferry and then go along the river back to Hoek. One or two of them traverse Goeree-Overflakkee where our friends live - but we can't pop in for tea as they are away that weekend!
We are also staying Sunday night, we have made a booking at the Stayokay in Dordrecht which means we could cycle with you as far as Willemstad for example then loop back, or we can do our own thing (maybe weather dependent).
curry would be excellent.
Back to the day 1 route (the 200km version), there appears to be some doubling back at various points in the route. As this is a mandatory route ride, I think these need to be ironed out, which is probably what you inferred jiberjaber when you said there was some tidying up to do. Is this easy to do in RidewithGPS? I noted minor issues at 19km, 31km, 131km, 202km and at the end.
.........
Edging closer to this little expedition. Jiberjaber has confirmed that the GPX files are ready, and can be downloaded from the following place ... https://ridewithgps.com/events/41102-acme-goes-dutch#routes/25058383/preview (https://ridewithgps.com/events/41102-acme-goes-dutch#routes/25058383/preview) ... select 'Go to Route' by the respective route on the left, and then use Export at the top right to select either the TCX or GPX, depending upon your taste.
You'll need to have a copy of the routes as follows. Thanks again to jiberjaber for his expertise in compiling these, and Roffa for his original on which much of the day one ride is based.
Day trippers (OD & Oaky)
- D1 1Day Riders
Overnighters (everyone else)
- D1 2Day Riders (200km Audax route)
- D2B Gouda to Hoek (Ferry) ... 130.7km
- D2C Gouda to Hoek ... 161.5km
There may be a third option added by jiberjaber soon. We can decide on the route for the Sunday on the day. All the routes go through Willemstad.
Questions:
1. When I tried to use the form to submit the day 1 ride as a mandatory route DIY, I cannot see how I can make it a group DIY, avoiding everybody submitting the same GPX to the organiser. I only see the details at https://www.aukweb.net/forms/entryformdiym.php (https://www.aukweb.net/forms/entryformdiym.php) ... does anybody know how we can submit once and all link to the single uploaded route?
2. bhoot, do you need a GPS device to help record the ride on Saturday, or do you have one to hand? I have a spare that you can borrow.
Questions:You don't need to as the first submitee, Mr S will realise the same routes as they are submitted by individual riders with their DIY by GPS application and assign them to the group ride. As the initial submitee you will get email notification of so-and-so has joined your group ride. To make the grouping easier we could mention in the application notes that we wish to join Brevet [insert number here] if you'd like to share that.
1. When I tried to use the form to submit the day 1 ride as a mandatory route DIY, I cannot see how I can make it a group DIY, avoiding everybody submitting the same GPX to the organiser. I only see the details at https://www.aukweb.net/forms/entryformdiym.php (https://www.aukweb.net/forms/entryformdiym.php) ... does anybody know how we can submit once and all link to the single uploaded route?
Thanks Huggy. The Brevet number is 16758 ... so please do mention this as you all submit your mandatory route DIY brevet request.
Ditto!Thanks Huggy. The Brevet number is 16758 ... so please do mention this as you all submit your mandatory route DIY brevet request.
Done! :thumbsup:
I used the following controls:
01. Hook of Holland
02. Vlaardingen
03. Campanile Hotel Gouda
Thanks Huggy. The Brevet number is 16758 ... so please do mention this as you all submit your mandatory route DIY brevet request.
Done! :thumbsup:
I used the following controls:
01. Hook of Holland
02. Vlaardingen
03. Campanile Hotel Gouda
2. bhoot, do you need a GPS device to help record the ride on Saturday, or do you have one to hand? I have a spare that you can borrow.Yes please... I have experimented with recording a track on my phone which seems to work OK so that's one of them, but we need another track too despite being on the same bike*. Will need a quick instruction session, guess that can be on Friday evening. My main concern is actually navigating if we manage to lose the rest of you! I might just attempt to mark it up on my super all NL cycle map book.
2. bhoot, do you need a GPS device to help record the ride on Saturday, or do you have one to hand? I have a spare that you can borrow.Yes please... I have experimented with recording a track on my phone which seems to work OK so that's one of them, but we need another track too despite being on the same bike*. Will need a quick instruction session, guess that can be on Friday evening. My main concern is actually navigating if we manage to lose the rest of you! I might just attempt to mark it up on my super all NL cycle map book.
* the tandem is back - yay - and you can hardly see any colour difference between the new forks and the frame.
We have now entered, hope we filled everything in OK. Us Luddites aren't used to this mandatory route stuff. Thanks psyclist and jiberjaber for kicking everything off.
Not sure yet when we will be setting off on Friday but will at least meet you all for dinner if we don't see you on the road before that. Jiber's suggested route from Colchester is pretty much the way we usually go as it can easily incorporate a pint at Wivenhoe! Have you got any rough timings along the route?
ring the pub to check they still have the curry attachment!
Timings, An item to be discussed tonight at the MEMWNS meeting - you coming? (Compasses LG)Sadly no, we have a rare evening of culture at a concert.
Timings, An item to be discussed tonight at the MEMWNS meeting - you coming? (Compasses LG)Sadly no, we have a rare evening of culture at a concert.
Remember once you are on the boat, you magically lose an hour, my plan will be to go to bed when I get on board (maybe a pint first) so when you get woken at 05:00 for breakfast, it's actually 04:00 UK time :facepalm:Are you sure you aren't getting your time zones mixed up or did you ask for a special early call? My recollection is the music plays around 06.00 Dutch time, given that the boat doesn't get in until nearly 08.00, I think 05.00 local time is way too early...
Looks like not a lot of options to lock up the bikes at Brewers Fayre?
I'm researching at the moment but the area isn't really famed for lots of places to eat that are OK from the looks of it...
This sort of looks OK (13km from the ferry)
https://goo.gl/maps/zev786xe2zK2
I'm packing a lightweight set of shoes which I seemed to have carried to the pub with me on the last 2 occasions :facepalm:
You could just ride up from Manningtree (hint - it's a bike ride!)
II don't really want to carry a chuffing big D-lock so I can have a reheated frozen meal :) So I am not too keen on the Brewers place. I can't believe that Harwich is so devoid of eating options.... I guess we are spoilt by being closer to London and more commuter like cities...
An eating option 13k from the ferry isn't going to help those of us getting the train directly to Harwich! I am minded to get the 1746 from Witham which gets into Dovercourt at 1855hrs. I'm pretty confident I can find something to eat on a bike ride from there to Harwich port. The Brewers Fayre (according to Google Streetview) is next to an Aldi on a retail park type thing so there will probably be some something to lock Fred to.
Of course I could get a train directly to Harwich International but I don't think there are any eating options at the port if their website is to be believed.
I am minded to get the 1746 from Witham which gets into Dovercourt at 1855hrs.
You could just ride up from Manningtree (hint - it's a bike ride!)
II don't really want to carry a chuffing big D-lock so I can have a reheated frozen meal :) So I am not too keen on the Brewers place. I can't believe that Harwich is so devoid of eating options.... I guess we are spoilt by being closer to London and more commuter like cities...
The Alma is good.
You could just ride up from Manningtree (hint - it's a bike ride!)
II don't really want to carry a chuffing big D-lock so I can have a reheated frozen meal :) So I am not too keen on the Brewers place. I can't believe that Harwich is so devoid of eating options.... I guess we are spoilt by being closer to London and more commuter like cities...
The Alma is good.
That seems a far better prospect! :thumbsup:
An eating option 13k from the ferry isn't going to help those of us getting the train directly to Harwich! I am minded to get the 1746 from Witham which gets into Dovercourt at 1855hrs. I'm pretty confident I can find something to eat on a bike ride from there to Harwich port. The Brewers Fayre (according to Google Streetview) is next to an Aldi on a retail park type thing so there will probably be some something to lock Fred to.
Of course I could get a train directly to Harwich International but I don't think there are any eating options at the port if their website is to be believed.
I'm also aiming for the 17:46 from Witham and I'm tempted to take my chances with the Brewer's Fayre (in which case, getting off [typos corrected ;D ]at Harwich International seems to make sense).
An eating option 13k from the ferry isn't going to help those of us getting the train directly to Harwich! I am minded to get the 1746 from Witham which gets into Dovercourt at 1855hrs. I'm pretty confident I can find something to eat on a bike ride from there to Harwich port. The Brewers Fayre (according to Google Streetview) is next to an Aldi on a retail park type thing so there will probably be some something to lock Fred to.
Of course I could get a train directly to Harwich International but I don't think there are any eating options at the port if their website is to be believed.
I'm also aiming for the 17:46 from Witham and I'm tempted to take my chances with the Brewer's Fayre (in which case, getting off [typos corrected ;D ]at Harwich International seems to make sense).
If time allows we could always have a quick one in The Railway before setting off and / or get a few cans for the journey :thumbsup:
huggy - are your travel plans the same ^^^?
We could be up for late-ish lunch depending on what time we get away. Will follow developments tomorrow morning but would also appreciate a text to confirm any lunch time meet up and/or evening meal decision.
BTW we will have our large panniers - so they should provide a good wind shelter for the rest of you! We will also take one decent lock so can potentially lock someone's bike to ours.
Currency card exchange rate had a little jump this morning, 1.09 to 1.14 for GBP to Euros in case you haven't loaded up money yet :thumbsup:
Just checked weather forecast.... going off to find waterproof socks!
Just checked weather forecast.... going off to find waterproof socks!
Wise move. Showery from what I see, but those showers could be heavy.
Just checked weather forecast.... going off to find waterproof socks!
Wise move. Showery from what I see, but those showers could be heavy.
What! Rubbish weather ??? Andrew, as a fledgling ACME / Mid-Essex yacf organiser you can't cock up your first trip by order the wrong sort of weather! Points will be deducted! The weather on the trips I organise is always perfect :smug:
Packing is coming along nicely here, Dave is looking forward to kennel cam this evening!
Packing is coming along nicely here, Dave is looking forward to kennel cam this evening!
I'd be interested in going back too but without the audax element, perhaps a 2 or 3 day jaunt doing 60 to 80 miles a day thus leaving some time for regular refreshment and sightseeing stops. The overnight ferry definitely works though.
The second day was less pressured but still had a timing pressure due to the boat, so it still felt a bit rushed (even when you remove the fast riding out of the equation).
My thoughts are it would be better to ride out on the day off the boat and Audax the following day, then ride back to the boat a day after that. This would also accommodate anyone who wanted to come along and not ride a 200km as they could do their own thing on the middle day.
From my experience now, we were on the limit of enjoyable time with the 130km route back I think some of that can be mitigated by eating on the boat, but also understand that might not suit everyone, perhaps an earlier food stop before the last 30km or so would work better (i.e. Fat Mermaid on the return worked well on one ride back to the boat for me.) - I am so glad we didnt do the longer versions of the D2 route, it would have ruined the weekend because of even more time pressure to get back..
Just a thought, what sort of weather has been ordered?Epic! (again, probably :facepalm:)
Historically, the average temperature in the Netherlands on 15th September has been 18 degrees during the day, and 13 degrees at night.
Rainfall amounts in September average 75mm with most falling on an average of 10 days out of 30. Much of the precipitation is light in nature.
So there is a 67% chance that it'll be dry, and if it does rain it is not likely to be heavy.
Rainfall amounts in September average 75mm with most falling on an average of 10 days out of 30. Much of the precipitation is light in nature.All of which fell on the 16th September 2017 ::-)
Ferry booked! :thumbsup:
(Tempted to extend it but will see closer to the date)
I’m visiting the enclaves in 2 weeks...
This thread inspired me to ride a DIY 200 in the Netherlands last summer. I had such a good time that I went back a couple of weeks ago to ride a DIY 400.
I've written a ride report at https://ctccambridge.org.uk/blog/2018/06/18-jun-hook-utrecht-amsterdam-groningen
Nigel
Has anyone made a decision on a slight extension ?
I was thinking of returning on the Monday night ferry.
Have my legs ripped off by Psyclist on the Saturday, head to somewhere about 100k from Hoek on the Sunday and then a leisurely meander back there on the Monday.
The only bit of Belgium is on Sunday with the enclaves and the *best* McD's you will ever visit!I know that McDonald's, and it really is worth a visit.
The only bit of Belgium is on Sunday with the enclaves and the *best* McD's you will ever visit!I know that McDonald's, and it really is worth a visit.
Working on the 200km right now, and current plans include Belgium (just)...
OK - my *rough* plan is:
Saturday - the Dutch 200KM DIY Hoek to Breda then....
Sunday 103km, Breda to s-Hertogenbosh (campanile hotel)
Monday 80km, s-Hertogenbosh to Amersfoort (campanile hotel)
Tue 66km, Amersfoort to Zaandam (through Amsterdam :o Hotel to be located...)
Wed 89km Zaandam to Hoek via the coast (Wednesday Night Ferry)
Thursday, train home from Harwich to be back at work for before 9AM
The only bit of Belgium is on Sunday with the enclaves and the *best* McD's you will ever visit!
Optional would be about 130km from Amerfoort to Hoek on Tuesday for the Tuesday night ferry - could locate somewhere else other than Amerfoort to bring the distance down but Hotel choices may be tricky...
I haven't really been paying attention up to now. Are some of you getting the overnight boat on Friday 14th?
I can give you a synopsis tomorrow.
I can give you a synopsis tomorrow.
Right ho. I will pack lube and rubber gloves, you will be gentle won't you? :-X
OK - my *rough* plan is:
Saturday - the Dutch 200KM DIY Hoek to Breda then....
Sunday 103km, Breda to s-Hertogenbosh (campanile hotel)
Monday 80km, s-Hertogenbosh to Amersfoort (campanile hotel)
Tue 66km, Amersfoort to Zaandam (through Amsterdam :o ibis budget Amsterdam Zaandam)
Wed 89km Zaandam to Hoek via the coast (Wednesday Night Ferry)
Thursday, train home from Harwich to be back at work for before 9AM
The only bit of Belgium is on Sunday with the enclaves and the *best* McD's you will ever visit!
Optional would be about 130km from Amerfoort to Hoek on Tuesday for the Tuesday night ferry - could locate somewhere else other than Amerfoort to bring the distance down but Hotel choices may be tricky...
I've just booked the Campanile in Breda for Saturday 15th September. I'm now off to book some decent weather and the ferry.
Newbie question but does the ferry booking for night crossing include a cabin? I'm getting a price of £184 for two plus two bikes but am not sure if this means seats or place to sleep.
Newbie question but does the ferry booking for night crossing include a cabin? I'm getting a price of £184 for two plus two bikes but am not sure if this means seats or place to sleep.
A cabin is mandatory for the night crossing, and that price looks about right. As you go through the booking you’ll be able to select cabin preference, breakfast etc.
Newbie question but does the ferry booking for night crossing include a cabin? I'm getting a price of £184 for two plus two bikes but am not sure if this means seats or place to sleep.
OK - my *rough* plan is:
Saturday - the Dutch 200KM DIY Hoek to Breda then....
Sunday 103km, Breda to s-Hertogenbosh (campanile hotel)
Monday 80km, s-Hertogenbosh to Amersfoort (campanile hotel)
Tue 66km, Amersfoort to Zaandam (through Amsterdam :o ibis budget Amsterdam Zaandam)
Wed 89km Zaandam to Hoek via the coast (Wednesday Night Ferry)
Thursday, train home from Harwich to be back at work for before 9AM
The only bit of Belgium is on Sunday with the enclaves and the *best* McD's you will ever visit!
Optional would be about 130km from Amerfoort to Hoek on Tuesday for the Tuesday night ferry - could locate somewhere else other than Amerfoort to bring the distance down but Hotel choices may be tricky...
Worth booking breakfast as it is £5 more expensive each on the day :thumbsup:Newbie question but does the ferry booking for night crossing include a cabin? I'm getting a price of £184 for two plus two bikes but am not sure if this means seats or place to sleep.
So are we booking 3 nights at the Breda Campanile hotel?At the campanile hotel in those 3 locationsOK - my *rough* plan is:
Saturday - the Dutch 200KM DIY Hoek to Breda then....
Sunday 103km, Breda to s-Hertogenbosh (campanile hotel)
Monday 80km, s-Hertogenbosh to Amersfoort (campanile hotel)
Tue 66km, Amersfoort to Zaandam (through Amsterdam :o ibis budget Amsterdam Zaandam)
Wed 89km Zaandam to Hoek via the coast (Wednesday Night Ferry)
Thursday, train home from Harwich to be back at work for before 9AM
The only bit of Belgium is on Sunday with the enclaves and the *best* McD's you will ever visit!
Optional would be about 130km from Amerfoort to Hoek on Tuesday for the Tuesday night ferry - could locate somewhere else other than Amerfoort to bring the distance down but Hotel choices may be tricky...
OK - my *rough* plan is:
Saturday - the Dutch 200KM DIY Hoek to Breda then....
Sunday 103km, Breda to s-Hertogenbosh (campanile hotel)
Monday 80km, s-Hertogenbosh to Amersfoort (campanile hotel)
Tue 66km, Amersfoort to Zaandam (through Amsterdam :o ibis budget Amsterdam Zaandam)
Wed 89km Zaandam to Hoek via the coast (Wednesday Night Ferry)
Thursday, train home from Harwich to be back at work for before 9AM
The only bit of Belgium is on Sunday with the enclaves and the *best* McD's you will ever visit!
Optional would be about 130km from Amerfoort to Hoek on Tuesday for the Tuesday night ferry - could locate somewhere else other than Amerfoort to bring the distance down but Hotel choices may be tricky...
The Straggler said he could probably do an extra couple of days if the transport could be sorted out.
I think he said he was bunking up with Psyclist so that might make life a bit complicated.
The Straggler said he could probably do an extra couple of days if the transport could be sorted out.
I think he said he was bunking up with Psyclist so that might make life a bit complicated.
I could look into cancelling the ferry booking and letting the Straggler book independently. Shall I proceed and do that?
(https://images2.imgbox.com/6f/d6/1cxDsxB7_o.jpg) (http://imgbox.com/1cxDsxB7)
(https://images2.imgbox.com/3a/32/SIyQYHeS_o.jpg) (http://imgbox.com/SIyQYHeS)
How's it going with routes for Saturday? I ask as I'm not sure I can summon up the enthusiasm for the full 200k experience so might devise a "turn left" option as I'm sure Breda has some lovely bars which might require a detailed examination. That said, on the day I might get a sudden rush of blood to the head and decide to do 200k after all. I suppose what I'm saying is I'd like some options.
Indeed. Wait until tomorrow ... or I can explain in English this evening, rereading what I wrote above is perhaps slightly convoluted
The small print, just as a reminder: This is not a formal ride or tour under the auspices of any club. We will be just a bunch of friends on a ride together and my role will be simply to guide you round a route. As such, you will be riding under your own insurance, responsible for all your own accommodation, welfare and subsistence arrangements etc.. :thumbsup:
The small print, just as a reminder: This is not a formal ride or tour under the auspices of any club. We will be just a bunch of friends on a ride together and my role will be simply to guide you round a route. As such, you will be riding under your own insurance, responsible for all your own accommodation, welfare and subsistence arrangements etc.. :thumbsup:
Oh, I was banking on you being my Appropriate Adult jibers. Disappointed I am.
Disappointed I am.
3 weeks to go. It feels like a good time to get some organising done.4 not on the list are Jem & the Lynx, Chris & Pat (planning on just riding to the Saturday night hotel and returning Sunday)
Firstly, who is going? Tedshred counted 13, but I’m only able to identify 10 off the top of my head. If you are not in the following list and are going, could you please shout?
jiberjaber, grey sheep, the straggler, bhoot+1, oscar’s dad, oaky, huggy, tedshred, psyclist
Secondly, last year we had a pleasant meal in Waterfront at Dovercourt. I’m happy to book a table if people want to eat there again. 7pm feels about right, or 7:30pm. Alternatively, we could meet for a drink somewhere and eat on the ferry. That would mean eating quite late though. I’d prefer to eat early.
BTW, where's the definitive 200k route for Saturday?
Routes almost finished, some final fettling to be done but other than that it will give you an idea of what's what... I've scouted for some interesting bits (Best MCD's you'll ever visit plus castles, disused airfields, windmills).
Indicative routes here: https://ridewithgps.com/events/62526-acme-dutch-2018#routes/28206964/preview
Routes almost finished, some final fettling to be done but other than that it will give you an idea of what's what... I've scouted for some interesting bits (Best MCD's you'll ever visit plus castles, disused airfields, windmills).
Indicative routes here: https://ridewithgps.com/events/62526-acme-dutch-2018#routes/28206964/preview
I've been following your thread here on and off for a couple of weeks and as i live here in NL
i have to pose the question, what's so special about the McDonalds in Best (or is it the name) ? They are all the same, aren't they ???
Secondly, last year we had a pleasant meal in Waterfront at Dovercourt. I’m happy to book a table if people want to eat there again. 7pm feels about right, or 7:30pm. Alternatively, we could meet for a drink somewhere and eat on the ferry. That would mean eating quite late though. I’d prefer to eat early.We're up for eating in Harwich and probably meeting up en route, last time we had a pleasant refreshment interlude at Wivenhoe I seem to remember.
So here's the indicative details for the post-audax tour.... We probably need a bit of a roll callWe are out of the post audax tour now - we are cycling down to Germany and have now made a booking to return by train from there... Looks like we can get a 5 country tour with NL, Belgium, Luxembourg, France and Germany!
You have to visit to find out (if you know, please don't spoil it :) Let me know if you want to know via PM )
Fancy joining us?
A big thank you to Psyclist, Jibbers, Bhoot, Huggy and everyone else who has contributed to the planning. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
I sit in awe :o at the combined knowledge that has resulted in the 200k DIY and the associated day trips.
Cheers
Grey Sheep
I have just used THIS SITE (https://routeplanner.fietsersbond.nl/) to produce THIS ROUTE (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28537971). I have no idea what it's like in reality so someone with more Dutch knowledge might like to sanity check it. Failing that we just give it a go.It looks like you are cycling on water after. Oud Beijerland, the vehicle ferry we all used last time is a bit further west. Beware of being routed via seasonal ferries when it isn't the season!
I also feel I should point out that it will be "ACME goes Dutch and a little bit Belgian"
Process for those doing the DIY 200
- one of us will enter the DIY
- they will share the reference number
- all others can then enter their own DIY using the same reference
- this will then be a group DIY following a mandatory route
I'm aiming to do steps 1 and 2 tomorrow evening, unless anybody thinks there should be a route change.
... I could also suggest a route via a self winding ferry as I am sure you would like that...but that would mean going through the Benelux tunnel to Vlaardingen before heading north west to Hoek.
Process for those doing the DIY 200
- one of us will enter the DIY
- they will share the reference number
- all others can then enter their own DIY using the same reference
- this will then be a group DIY following a mandatory route
I'm aiming to do steps 1 and 2 tomorrow evening, unless anybody thinks there should be a route change.
I have completed steps 1 and 2. The DIY Event ID that you need to quote on your entry is 10295. I have forewarned Paul, and I would guess you will need to enter the ID in the notes box on the AUK mandatory route DIY page.
Don't forget to enter this as a mandatory route DIY. Obviously you only need to enter if you're planning on claiming the points.
For your reference, the other details on the entry form that I used are:
DIY Organiser: Paul Stewart
Points distance: 200km
Start date: 15/09/2018
Start control: Hoek Van Holland
Total distance: 207km
List of controls:
Antwerpen
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And why isn't my AUK Fairy (huggy) doing this for me???
And why isn't my AUK Fairy (huggy) doing this for me???
Because he's too busy helping me with my Bl&%dy Garmin and a million tracks for the Flatlands that I am really NOT looking forward to.
And why isn't my AUK Fairy (huggy) doing this for me???
Because he's too busy helping me with my Bl&%dy Garmin and a million tracks for the Flatlands that I am really NOT looking forward to.
Further to Psychlist's advice* above, when entering a DIY SE group perm, select the *advisory* entry form and enter your name* and set the start and 1st/last control to the DIYSE Brevet number (to satisfy the entry form validation requirements) and I'll fill in the rest of the Brevet details from my records.
*I'm depending on you knowing that...
Further to Psychlist's advice* above, when entering a DIY SE group perm, select the *advisory* entry form and enter your name* and set the start and 1st/last control to the DIYSE Brevet number (to satisfy the entry form validation requirements) and I'll fill in the rest of the Brevet details from my records.
*I'm depending on you knowing that...
Thanks for the advice Paul, I think I'vecompletely fooked up my entrysuccessfully entered and hopefully something has popped up at your end. In the real world I'm Steve Rowley :thumbsup:
Sorry Paul, I also manged to get it wrong
Further to Psychlist's advice* above, when entering a DIY SE group perm, select the *advisory* entry form and enter your name* and set the start and 1st/last control to the DIYSE Brevet number (to satisfy the entry form validation requirements) and I'll fill in the rest of the Brevet details from my records.
*I'm depending on you knowing that...
Thanks for the advice Paul, I think I'vecompletely fooked up my entrysuccessfully entered and hopefully something has popped up at your end. In the real world I'm Steve Rowley :thumbsup:
Entering is one thing, completing it is another. Remember the last time I entered and started a 200k audax?Yes, but can't remember the last time you validated one ;D
Further to Psychlist's advice* above, when entering a DIY SE group perm, select the advisory entry form and enter your name* and set the start and 1st/last control to the DIYSE Brevet number (to satisfy the entry form validation requirements) and I'll fill in the rest of the Brevet details from my records. [I've updated my 'note to group orgs to pass this on. ]
*I'm depending on you knowing that bit...
DIY Organiser: Paul Stewart
Points distance: 200km
Start date: 15/09/2018
Start control: Hoek Van Holland
Total distance: 207km
Further to Psychlist's advice* above, when entering a DIY SE group perm, select the advisory entry form and enter your name* and set the start and 1st/last control to the DIYSE Brevet number (to satisfy the entry form validation requirements) and I'll fill in the rest of the Brevet details from my records. [I've updated my 'note to group orgs to pass this on. ]
*I'm depending on you knowing that bit...
So, to make sure I've got this right and to recap/combine the information in Manotea and Psyclist's posts
This is in Baarle Hertog :P: http://www.dedochtervandekorenaar.be/?lang=en
What time are we meeting at the 'Spoons ("where all great adventures begin") ?I seem to recall we met from about midday last year for lunch in the warm & sunny beer garden. Don't remember what time we set off, maybe about 2. I know we had plenty of time for a WALK along the river and beer in Wivenhoe before trundling on to Harwich.
Bit of a daft question (which can only come from me) - is anybody taking hard currency Euros on the trip or relying on modern tech of debit/credit/ phones for payments.
Bit of a daft question (which can only come from me) - is anybody taking hard currency Euros on the trip or relying on modern tech of debit/credit/ phones for payments.
Bit of a daft question (which can only come from me) - is anybody taking hard currency Euros on the trip or relying on modern tech of debit/credit/ phones for payments.
Bit of a daft question (which can only come from me) - is anybody taking hard currency Euros on the trip or relying on modern tech of debit/credit/ phones for payments.
Yes, both.I found this in Belgium. Large cycle shop in a provincial town. I wanted a pair of cycle gloves, but they only accepted Maestro. Strange...
Visa and mastercard are not so widely accepted in supermarkets, they use Maestro.
Hotels should be fine.Bit of a daft question (which can only come from me) - is anybody taking hard currency Euros on the trip or relying on modern tech of debit/credit/ phones for payments.
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Alternatively...
Wander down to 'spoons for a spot of lunch, go back home and do some "work", get train to Harwich.
Alternatively...
Wander down to 'spoons for a spot of lunch, go back home and do some "work", get train to Harwich.
:thumbsup:
... The below is therefore the final and to be followed route
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28575494 (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28575494)
Oh, and I’m glad OD is up for riding the full distance. It is sure to be a good day awheel...
Bit of a daft question (which can only come from me) - is anybody taking hard currency Euros on the trip or relying on modern tech of debit/credit/ phones for payments.
I would imagine you would probably go for travellers cheques being old school as you are ;D
Is anyone not intending on doing the audax - or the full audax but part thereof?
After elbow plant into carpark at the end of Sunday's ride which has resulted in a very bruised and tender arm, as well as breathing issues again (Yes! I will listen next time Sister Carol :facepalm:) I'm actually toying with the idea of being sensible ....... having an easy day pootling rather than stressing about being slow, time limits and whether my carcass will stay together, so I can enjoy the easier days.
Is anyone not intending on doing the audax - or the full audax but part thereof?
After elbow plant into carpark at the end of Sunday's ride which has resulted in a very bruised and tender arm, as well as breathing issues again (Yes! I will listen next time Sister Carol :facepalm:) I'm actually toying with the idea of being sensible ....... having an easy day pootling rather than stressing about being slow, time limits and whether my carcass will stay together, so I can enjoy the easier days.
I’m in two minds, I will see how I feel on Saturday. If you look up thread you’ll see my “turn left” option which circumcises the dangly willy bit of the route.
I've just consulted with our GenSec regarding the Sat - Wed Full Experience group plans and I would advise though we might not by full-on raving, some civvies might be a good idea.... so I'll probably pack a pair of something.... :thumbsup:The golden thong of ambition??!
Is anyone not intending on doing the audax - or the full audax but part thereof?
After elbow plant into carpark at the end of Sunday's ride which has resulted in a very bruised and tender arm, as well as breathing issues again (Yes! I will listen next time Sister Carol :facepalm:) I'm actually toying with the idea of being sensible ....... having an easy day pootling rather than stressing about being slow, time limits and whether my carcass will stay together, so I can enjoy the easier days.
I’m in two minds, I will see how I feel on Saturday. If you look up thread you’ll see my “turn left” option which circumcises the dangly willy bit of the route.
mmmm......that might be the answer for me. I'll see how I feel on Sat too and decide then whether I start the audax at all, or start with the intention of cutting short.
Sunday Options for Sunday Riders
For those ambling back to Hoek on the Sunday we have 2 options. I would suggest we take both routes, then decide on the day. Again courtesy of bhoot and jiberjaber we have:
Option A - 93km - [Weekend Warriors Sunday A - A bike ride in Breda, Noord-Brabant](https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28585468?privacy_code=J8wkVRo6WgqwIk3U (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28585468?privacy_code=J8wkVRo6WgqwIk3U))
Highlights :
22km - coffee at Proost cafe
38km - lunch in Williamstad - lovely restaurant with outdoor seating
80km - dinner at Maassluis - Smaak & Meer - pizza and craft beerOption B - 127km - [Weekend Warriors Sunday B - A bike ride in Breda, Noord-Brabant](https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28585518?privacy_code=iWuQuWMeyJ7bZXB4 (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28585518?privacy_code=iWuQuWMeyJ7bZXB4))
Highlights:
22km - coffee at Proost cafe
38km - lunch in Williamstad - lovely restaurant with outdoor seating
115km - dinner at Maassluis - Smaak & Meer - pizza and craft beer
Probably something midway between lunch and dinner on option B. I’ll take a look later.
Is anyone not intending on doing the audax - or the full audax but part thereof?
After elbow plant into carpark at the end of Sunday's ride which has resulted in a very bruised and tender arm, as well as breathing issues again (Yes! I will listen next time Sister Carol :facepalm:) I'm actually toying with the idea of being sensible ....... having an easy day pootling rather than stressing about being slow, time limits and whether my carcass will stay together, so I can enjoy the easier days.
I’m in two minds, I will see how I feel on Saturday. If you look up thread you’ll see my “turn left” option which circumcises the dangly willy bit of the route.
mmmm......that might be the answer for me. I'll see how I feel on Sat too and decide then whether I start the audax at all, or start with the intention of cutting short.
Team "Turn Left" potentially growing.
I think we might need to make this happen.
Is anyone not intending on doing the audax - or the full audax but part thereof?
After elbow plant into carpark at the end of Sunday's ride which has resulted in a very bruised and tender arm, as well as breathing issues again (Yes! I will listen next time Sister Carol :facepalm:) I'm actually toying with the idea of being sensible ....... having an easy day pootling rather than stressing about being slow, time limits and whether my carcass will stay together, so I can enjoy the easier days.
I’m in two minds, I will see how I feel on Saturday. If you look up thread you’ll see my “turn left” option which circumcises the dangly willy bit of the route.
mmmm......that might be the answer for me. I'll see how I feel on Sat too and decide then whether I start the audax at all, or start with the intention of cutting short.
Team "Turn Left" potentially growing.
I think we might need to make this happen. Think of the possibilities the extra time off the bike will afford us: beer, cheese, bitter balls, beer (did I mention beer already?), "special" brownies...
Just don't get out of the boat (https://www.youtube.com/embed/_4dFDBYWuTc)
Right then, Team Turn Left is officially a thing. Shame we haven’t got time to organise cycling jerseys.
Right then, Team Turn Left is officially a thing. Shame we haven’t got time to organise cycling jerseys.
Are you actually going to bother bringing bicycles?
Here's a plan for Friday (its based on the route I suggest we follow, which we did last year)
Assemble Witham 'spoons 13:00.
1.5 hour food window
Leave Witham 'spoons no later than 14:30
It's 36km to Wivenhoe (we avoid Cookswood NCN1 but do use the cyclepaths of Colchester) which is just under 2 hours of riding (1h45 last time - we had a tailwind)
Arrive Wivenhoe (The Black Bouy) for around 16:30ish; (earlier = more beer!) 1 hour of beer, leave Wivenhoe 17:30
This post will be of interest to anyone considering TURNING LEFT tomorrow...
The official 200k audax route including the transit from the end of the route to the hotel in Breda is 135.4 miles. The unofficial TURN LEFT OPTION (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28593928) right to the door of the hotel is 98.5 miles, a saving of 36.9 miles which I conservatively estimate will afford us an extra couple of hours or more for cultural experiences of a Dutch nature.
The above mentioned turn left option includes much of the original route but skips the willy shaped loop down towards Antwerp.
This post will be of interest to anyone considering TURNING LEFT tomorrow...
The official 200k audax route including the transit from the end of the route to the hotel in Breda is 135.4 miles. The unofficial TURN LEFT OPTION (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28593928) right to the door of the hotel is 98.5 miles, a saving of 36.9 miles which I conservatively estimate will afford us an extra couple of hours or more for cultural experiences of a Dutch nature.
The above mentioned turn left option includes much of the original route but skips the willy shaped loop down towards Antwerp.
Crikey, that's an 18 mile long Dutch willy :o
Have fun! Really rather jealous...
But did you find the self operated chain ferry? If so you must have done something bad to it as it was extraordinarily hard to self-operate yesterday evening (or maybe it was just that we were winching it into the wind!)
A few of the many photos I took.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1856/44039701404_c8022a014a_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2a6CYUC)
No, we followed a route promoted by psyclist
This is really a placeholder in case I ever find the time to write a full report of the ACME Goes Dutch Full Experience or Through Holland with the Duke and his Gang.
A huge thank you to Psyclist, Bhoot and Jiber for their sterling efforts in organising everything and trying to herd the ACME cats generally. Jiber, in particular, as well as being our catering manager also had to tow us round the flatlands for four days (we were all pretending to be unsure of the route ;D).
Anyway, I had a great time which literally means I really enjoyed myself.
In a sneak preview of the ACME Goes Dutch Awards, I can reveal that suggestion of the tour has been awarded to Mr "I set the standards" Straggler who came up with the brilliant idea of thinking about making an event already in its second year an annual thing.
Oooh, this looks exciting - I'd like to express an interest in this, pleasre. Also my friend at work (Andy) and a guy who he house shares with (Adam) would be interested if allowed? Both very genuine and nice chaps as you'd expect!
:thumbsup:Oooh, this looks exciting - I'd like to express an interest in this, pleasre. Also my friend at work (Andy) and a guy who he house shares with (Adam) would be interested if allowed? Both very genuine and nice chaps as you'd expect!
I think you've worked out by now we are a broad church so Andy and Adam will most certainly be allowed. Although we may have to induct them first :demon:
Might there be an actual 200km ride in there as well at some point? Can sometimes help with the "But why are you spending all your valuable leave away cycling?" question.
Might there be an actual 200km ride in there as well at some point? Can sometimes help with the "But why are you spending all your valuable leave away cycling?" question.
Might there be an actual 200km ride in there as well at some point? Can sometimes help with the "But why are you spending all your valuable leave away cycling?" question.
On Saturday la 10th of september is a 200km audax ride in Valkenswaard (near Eindhoven).
Might there be an actual 200km ride in there as well at some point? Can sometimes help with the "But why are you spending all your valuable leave away cycling?" question.
On Saturday la 10th of september is a 200km audax ride in Valkenswaard (near Eindhoven).
Thanks Ivo. Added to the list of possibilities.
I'm getting a bit worried by all this talk of an audax, you lot are obsessed!
... it leaves a c. 150km ride back to ferry on the Sunday.
Ohh! This reads as type #1 fun could I possibly tag along on my barrow?
At least now you can all ride 200km a day at 25kph plus :-[
At least now you can all ride 200km a day at 25kph plus :-[
Not if I have anything to do with it!
In the spring we’ll put a route with options together. The main objective is to be cycling for 100-120km-ish each day, travelling through nice areas with some places of interest along the way. We’ll also look for options to decrease that distance slightly for those who are preferring a more sedate experience. If that audax fitted in for those who were so inclined, it might be an option. It would be a sideline, and will not dictate the route overall.
At least now you can all ride 200km a day at 25kph plus :-[
Not if I have anything to do with it!
Nothing has changed ...In the spring we’ll put a route with options together. The main objective is to be cycling for 100-120km-ish each day, travelling through nice areas with some places of interest along the way. We’ll also look for options to decrease that distance slightly for those who are preferring a more sedate experience. If that audax fitted in for those who were so inclined, it might be an option. It would be a sideline, and will not dictate the route overall.
Just confirming I am in!
Booked the ferry this morning :thumbsup:.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51656966136_8421b6fd78_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mGKskb)Acme Goes Dutch (https://flic.kr/p/2mGKskb) by (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18583448@N00/Andrew Turner)psyclist, on Flickr
Just check this page for a number of semi official permanents of 100km starting at Valkenswaard: https://www.mybrevet.cc/nl/randonneursnl/brevet/100-km
I think I'm in.
Just waiting for the boss (work not wife) to confirm I can have the holiday.
I would have to work on the Wednesday and be back in work on Monday morning so my plan is to drive to Colchester and leave my van at a friends and then cycle to Harwich.
I'm definitely up for the Audax on the Saturday as well.
Is there a link for the ferry you are planning to get each way ?
Thanks
Owen
I never get the ferry anywhere - is £180 odd about right?
I never get the ferry anywhere - is £180 odd about right?
I never get the ferry anywhere - is £180 odd about right?
Depends, what does that include? Is that a inboard cabin and one human?
J
I never get the ferry anywhere - is £180 odd about right?
Sounds about right if not sharing a cabin, for a return trip.
Just booked with Stena Line :thumbsup:
Just booked with Stena Line :thumbsup:
Excellent news. Hopefully we'll avoid the downpour that you experienced the last time you rode off the ferry.
Finally got my new passport.
Ferry booked this morning.
Can't wait :-)
Think I'm in for this so will book tickets soon and let you know.
Hi All
I'm trying to book tickets (and it's gone up ALOT since the last trip) - but I can't see how to book breakfast, and the online help and contacts are not working :facepalm:
Has anyone else managed to book the ferries, cabins and Breakfast?
Cheers
Bear with me … I was hoping to get the route and hotels sorted last week, but ran out of time. Will push out details this week. The first 2 hotels will be Camponile … I just need to check things like bike storage, and the potential for a group discount … I expect that won’t be available, but worth a try.
Has anyone else managed to book the ferries, cabins and Breakfast?
Cheers
I thought yesterday evening's briefing went very well ;D Well done psyclist :thumbsup:
Please note, I’m waiting for a response from Erik on how we should enter. I’ll share details once I get a response. He was pretty relaxed about us entering when I was in contact late last year.
Please note, I’m waiting for a response from Erik on how we should enter. I’ll share details once I get a response. He was pretty relaxed about us entering when I was in contact late last year.
Since I'm the person maintaining the website of Randonneurs Netherlands, let me quickly respond. Entering is very easy: Roughly two weeks before the ride, the link to the registration page appears here: https://randonneurs.nl/brevet/valkenswaard-2022-200-2/. Those who want to do the audax enter their personal details on the registration page and pay via credit card or paypal.
I had that problem too, I changed it to flexible and it went through.
I've booked the first night okay but now when trying to book the 2nd and 3rd nights, I get 'Unsupported card entered' under the card number - it worked on the previous booking. Any ideas?Same for me, tried different browsers and devices, no luck. Will try again later/tomorrow maybe selecting flexible and back…… :-\
Selecting the flexible member deal with breakfast worked for me. I had the same card issue when trying to select the non-flexible option.
@nick - don’t forget you need to change it to 2 nights in Eindhoven.
Fixed the Campanile booking system - changed the currency to pay in Euro on my credit card >:(
Huggy - just making some beer - do I stir the yeast in or just sprinkle it on top? Or is that hops?Just sprinkle the yeast on top, no need to stir in.
Thanks, that's what I did. This should be a good one at 7.5% :thumbsup:Huggy - just making some beer - do I stir the yeast in or just sprinkle it on top? Or is that hops?Just sprinkle the yeast on top, no need to stir in.
The hops usually go in while cooking the beer, unless you're dry hopping after the fermentation stage.
Fixed the Campanile booking system - changed the currency to pay in Euro on my credit card >:(
Where's everyone staying in Roosendaal? The Roosendaal is none refundable and looks less bike friendly... ideas?
I booked at the Rosendaal and sent a special request when booking, just this reply from them:Where's everyone staying in Roosendaal? The Roosendaal is none refundable and looks less bike friendly... ideas?
I went for the Roosendaal. I'll sort bike parking when I get there, I'm sure my winning smile will iron out any creases.
Looks like I am out in the Countryside by myself then :-)
Looks like I am out in the Countryside by myself then :)
Excellent stuff. We are up to 12:
1. psyclist - Audax
2. Deano4
3. Owen - Audax
4. Nick - Audax
5. Oscar's dad
6. Grey Sheep - Audax
7. Huggy
8. Tomsk
9. Jiberjaber
10. Jem
11. Carlos?
12. Toby's Dad - Audax
Just thought I'd share my experience of coming off the overnight Harwich ferry yesterday:
- bikes were held until virtually all the cars were off
- there was a long queue to get through passport control as now every passport is examined (Brexit PITA)
- probably took nearly 1 hour from getting access to my bike to being on the road
So, I'd suggest that you have a late/leisurely breakfast and access the car deck as late as possible.
Just thought I'd share my experience of coming off the overnight Harwich ferry yesterday:
- bikes were held until virtually all the cars were off
- there was a long queue to get through passport control as now every passport is examined (Brexit PITA)
- probably took nearly 1 hour from getting access to my bike to being on the road
So, I'd suggest that you have a late/leisurely breakfast and access the car deck as late as possible.
Just thought I'd share my experience of coming off the overnight Harwich ferry yesterday:
- bikes were held until virtually all the cars were off
- there was a long queue to get through passport control as now every passport is examined (Brexit PITA)
- probably took nearly 1 hour from getting access to my bike to being on the road
So, I'd suggest that you have a late/leisurely breakfast and access the car deck as late as possible.
Baarle Hertog was an enigma after WWII. Half the people in town wanted to remain Belgian Flemish and the other half wanted to be part of the Netherlands. So to get here, you leave Belgium, drive about 7 Km and enter Belgium again; but only half the town is in Belgium. There is an actual ‘Border Line’ painted across the main street separating the two countries. The line even climbs up the wall and across the roof of one dwelling. AND it is an international phone call to call your neighbor across the street.
ANYWAY, Brouwershuis has a selection of over 700 beers, but they also carry Dutch, German, U.S. and other countries beers, but their Belgian selection is great.
Don’t forget to visit the cellar. There’s some interesting finds here.
Whilst researching Belgium beer outlets for a trip I'm doing later this week, I've just come across an interesting little town that could be on the route for the non-Audax riders on the Saturday. The details are as follows, taken from http://www.belgiumking.com/top-10s/top-10-beer-shops/ (http://www.belgiumking.com/top-10s/top-10-beer-shops/):QuoteBaarle Hertog was an enigma after WWII. Half the people in town wanted to remain Belgian Flemish and the other half wanted to be part of the Netherlands. So to get here, you leave Belgium, drive about 7 Km and enter Belgium again; but only half the town is in Belgium. There is an actual ‘Border Line’ painted across the main street separating the two countries. The line even climbs up the wall and across the roof of one dwelling. AND it is an international phone call to call your neighbor across the street.
ANYWAY, Brouwershuis has a selection of over 700 beers, but they also carry Dutch, German, U.S. and other countries beers, but their Belgian selection is great.
Don’t forget to visit the cellar. There’s some interesting finds here.
If you decide that this should be on the route, I'll want to know what you find in the cellar!
Whilst researching Belgium beer outlets for a trip I'm doing later this week, I've just come across an interesting little town that could be on the route for the non-Audax riders on the Saturday. The details are as follows, taken from http://www.belgiumking.com/top-10s/top-10-beer-shops/ (http://www.belgiumking.com/top-10s/top-10-beer-shops/):QuoteBaarle Hertog was an enigma after WWII. Half the people in town wanted to remain Belgian Flemish and the other half wanted to be part of the Netherlands. So to get here, you leave Belgium, drive about 7 Km and enter Belgium again; but only half the town is in Belgium. There is an actual ‘Border Line’ painted across the main street separating the two countries. The line even climbs up the wall and across the roof of one dwelling. AND it is an international phone call to call your neighbor across the street.
ANYWAY, Brouwershuis has a selection of over 700 beers, but they also carry Dutch, German, U.S. and other countries beers, but their Belgian selection is great.
Don’t forget to visit the cellar. There’s some interesting finds here.
If you decide that this should be on the route, I'll want to know what you find in the cellar!
Excellent stuff. We are up to 12:
1. psyclist - Audax
2. Deano4
3. Owen - Audax
4. Nick - Audax
5. Oscar's dad
6. Grey Sheep - Audax
7. Huggy
8. Tomsk
9. Jiberjaber
10. Jem
11. Carlos?
12. Toby's Dad - Audax
looks like a great route although I couldn't see any obvious off-road stuff. Have fun!
Just thought I'd share my experience of coming off the overnight Harwich ferry yesterday:
- bikes were held until virtually all the cars were off
- there was a long queue to get through passport control as now every passport is examined (Brexit PITA)
- probably took nearly 1 hour from getting access to my bike to being on the road
So, I'd suggest that you have a late/leisurely breakfast and access the car deck as late as possible.
Thank you for sharing.
I find the majority of the time the bikes are let off first, especially if you’re able to get to the front before they start unloading. Certainly better to be near the front before passport control with the checks and stamping they now do.
Just thought I'd share my experience of coming off the overnight Harwich ferry yesterday:
- bikes were held until virtually all the cars were off
- there was a long queue to get through passport control as now every passport is examined (Brexit PITA)
- probably took nearly 1 hour from getting access to my bike to being on the road
So, I'd suggest that you have a late/leisurely breakfast and access the car deck as late as possible.
Thank you for sharing.
I find the majority of the time the bikes are let off first, especially if you’re able to get to the front before they start unloading. Certainly better to be near the front before passport control with the checks and stamping they now do.
On the way into Dieppe Sunday morning bikes were off near the front and we went into a different queue. The border guard took all our passports and then handed them back one by one.
Coming back Hook of Holland to Harwich tomorrow night so I’ll update when I get back.
And for those who want to participate in the Valkenswaard audax, registration is now open. See https://www.randonneurs.nl/brevet/valkenswaard-2022-200-2/ and click on the "Registratie"-button.
And for those who want to participate in the Valkenswaard audax, registration is now open. See https://www.randonneurs.nl/brevet/valkenswaard-2022-200-2/ and click on the "Registratie"-button.
And for those who want to participate in the Valkenswaard audax, registration is now open. See https://www.randonneurs.nl/brevet/valkenswaard-2022-200-2/ and click on the "Registratie"-button.
Thanks. Just had a quick look at the form. What should I put under ACP, I found AUDAX UK(160000) is that right ?
Thanks
Owen
Yep, I got that one - looks like there are lots of alternatives there though.
Yep, I got that one - looks like there are lots of alternatives there though.
May have to wear your civvies if you venture out of the hotels...
Another question for Our Leader: are we needing large wads of Euros for bill-splitting?
Another question for Our Leader: are we needing large wads of Euros for bill-splitting?
Once upon a time I did use whatsapp for a couple of groups, but uninstalled (don't ask ...) I'll have to see if I can get it back.
Another question for Our Leader: are we needing large wads of Euros for bill-splitting?
Q1] Yes to the Waterfront.+1
Q2 & 3] Yes happy with the consensus, whatever is easiest.
Re currency, I have some Euro left over from prior European trips which I’ll takeme too (110 to be exact), so we'll probably have sufficient hard currency in the group to cover incidentals such as the odd ferry crossing etc. without anyone rushing out and buying Euro.
Another question for Our Leader: are we needing large wads of Euros for bill-splitting?
You don't need cash in the Netherlands (except for a couple of river ferries who annoyingly still charge you a euro or so in physical currency). Typically the restaurant will allow you to pay by card for your share of the bill. At least, I haven't had to use cash to pay for a shared bill in the Netherlands for ages.
Please remember. Unless your card says "Maestro" or "v-pay" it *WILL* *NOT* *WORK* in most card terminals in the Netherlands.
Please remember. Unless your card says "Maestro" or "v-pay" it *WILL* *NOT* *WORK* in most card terminals in the Netherlands.
You'll be ok at hotels. You'll be ok at tourist places. But outside of those, you're screwed. If you see the sign "Here alleen pinnen" then unless it's maestro or v-pay, your not gonna be able to pay.
This means all supermarkets except for the AH on Dam square, the AH on Visselgracht, and the AH on Liedseplien in Amsterdam. All the rest, unless it says v-pay or Maestro. Your card will not work.
Oh, and a lot of the Netherlands is card only, so do check that you have a working card within your group before you rack up a bill.
J
Maestro is cheap, thats why its used (the Dutch are the Dutch.. ;) )
Maestro is cheap, thats why its used (the Dutch are the Dutch.. ;) )
Reading about this it seems MasterCard are getting rid of Maestro so that Dutch are going to have to adapt, which should solve these issues in the future🙂
https://www.mastercard.com/news/europe/en/perspectives/en/2021/blog-from-valerie-nowak-why-this-maestro-is-retiring-after-30-years/
Reminder that the most cost effective way to get euros is to raid the first cash point after disembarkation. There's a few in the village near the terminal.
J
Oh, also - does anybody know of any cheap (and that means free) parking in Harwich? :-D
Can you use Apple Pay in the Netherlands?
Can you use Apple Pay in the Netherlands?
Thanks - I never refuse money or food.
Thanks - I never refuse money or food.
Sensible man, never refuse free money, food or sex!
Thanks - I never refuse money or food.
Sensible man, never refuse free money, food or sex!
Sex is never free. :jurek:
I'm broadly happy to go wiht the flow for the following 2 questions, though I suspect someone will have to make an executative decision to allow which ever establishment to cater for our numnber... (with it being a Friday too)
I have added all of psyclist's RwGPS routes in to an event in the club account:
https://ridewithgps.com/auto_approve/Event/191214/LeviZA4D7FeYjN5Q
You can go to the event page when logged in to your own RwGPS account and copy the routes to your own route library for editing and download to your chosen bicycle computer device if you wish.
If you haven't already signed in to the ACME RwGPS club account which gives you all the Pro features without having to pay for your personal account you can sign up here:
https://ridewithgps.com/auto_approve/Club/1303/mHRvU67TMKTWCvxZ
You still need a free RwGPS account for your personal use but you don't need to pay the subscription if you don't want to.
I know this is a bit cheeky, but I've snuck myself onto your trip ...
Messaged psyclist, but no reply so don't know if he's seen it.
Hotels/ferries booked (flexible!) but I don't expect to be included in meal bookings; prefer the company, but happy to fend for myself :)
(Campanile at Gorinchem is full, so I'm staying in the town centre - if anyone has a spare bed they want to sell, let me know.)
M
I know this is a bit cheeky, but I've snuck myself onto your trip ...
Messaged psyclist, but no reply so don't know if he's seen it.
Hotels/ferries booked (flexible!) but I don't expect to be included in meal bookings; prefer the company, but happy to fend for myself :)
(Campanile at Gorinchem is full, so I'm staying in the town centre - if anyone has a spare bed they want to sell, let me know.)
M
Messaged psyclist, but no reply so don't know if he's seen it.
What am I doing wrong here: I think I've filled out every field (even found my club's ACP number), but I can't see any "Confirm Entry" button; or any Payment Details fields? :-/Please note, I’m waiting for a response from Erik on how we should enter. I’ll share details once I get a response. He was pretty relaxed about us entering when I was in contact late last year.
Since I'm the person maintaining the website of Randonneurs Netherlands, let me quickly respond. Entering is very easy: Roughly two weeks before the ride, the link to the registration page appears here: https://randonneurs.nl/brevet/valkenswaard-2022-200-2/. Those who want to do the audax enter their personal details on the registration page and pay via credit card or paypal.
There is a blue arrow at the bottom right... I think this is the commit buttonThankyou! (not sure why I didn't see that first time thru. Maybe I was riding on the left?)
After that it goes to payment.
Sorry, not read anything here, but I have a lot of numbness since the grand so I may not be going. Will let you know in the next couple of days.
Sorry, not read anything here, but I have a lot of numbness since the grand so I may not be going. Will let you know in the next couple of days.
I just put the gpx track for the audax online (or a zip-file containing various gpx tracks, to be precise). You can download it right at the bottom of this page: https://randonneurs.nl/brevet/valkenswaard-2022-200-2/
I just put the gpx track for the audax online (or a zip-file containing various gpx tracks, to be precise). You can download it right at the bottom of this page: https://randonneurs.nl/brevet/valkenswaard-2022-200-2/
Excellent, thank you.
I just put the gpx track for the :demon: online (or a zip-file containing various gpx tracks, to be precise). You can download it right at the bottom of this page: https://randonneurs.nl/brevet/valkenswaard-2022-200-2/
Excellent, thank you.
Thinking about it, we should make slugbait an honorary ACME member for services to the club. How much are we charging for jersey's these days @Huggy if he wanted to demonstrate his allegiance?
ACME short sleeve jerseys are £45, but the real question is what size would be required and if there any stock. Bear in mind the sizing chart is for small Italian children so go 2 sizes up from usual.I just put the gpx track for the audax online (or a zip-file containing various gpx tracks, to be precise). You can download it right at the bottom of this page: https://randonneurs.nl/brevet/valkenswaard-2022-200-2/
Excellent, thank you.
Thinking about it, we should make slugbait an honorary ACME member for services to the club. How much are we charging for jersey's these days @Huggy if he wanted to demonstrate his allegiance?
Sorry, not read anything here, but I have a lot of numbness since the grand so I may not be going. Will let you know in the next couple of days.
I is sad :'(
Me too, we were both looking forward to riding with you Nick. I'm sure you'll be feeling better soon.
Me too, we were both looking forward to riding with you Nick. I'm sure you'll be feeling better soon.
Ah, thanks - likewise, I was looking forward to riding with you guys, too! Its a shame but I'm sure we'll get together another time.
Me too, we were both looking forward to riding with you Nick. I'm sure you'll be feeling better soon.
Ah, thanks - likewise, I was looking forward to riding with you guys, too! Its a shame but I'm sure we'll get together another time.
Regarding the aforementioned "another time", make sure you have blocked out Saturday 7th and Sunday 8th January... EPIPHANY
We have a lot of catching up to do! :thumbsup:
Me too, we were both looking forward to riding with you Nick. I'm sure you'll be feeling better soon.
Ah, thanks - likewise, I was looking forward to riding with you guys, too! Its a shame but I'm sure we'll get together another time.
Regarding the aforementioned "another time", make sure you have blocked out Saturday 7th and Sunday 8th January... EPIPHANY
We have a lot of catching up to do! :thumbsup:
I thought you said in the Miscellany thread that it was the last weekend of Jan and, therefore, clashes with something far more important ?
Me too, we were both looking forward to riding with you Nick. I'm sure you'll be feeling better soon.
Ah, thanks - likewise, I was looking forward to riding with you guys, too! Its a shame but I'm sure we'll get together another time.
Regarding the aforementioned "another time", make sure you have blocked out Saturday 7th and Sunday 8th January... EPIPHANY
We have a lot of catching up to do! :thumbsup:
I thought you said in the Miscellany thread that it was the last weekend of Jan and, therefore, clashes with something far more important ?
No Epiphany (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiphany_(holiday)) really is, according to some traditions at least, the first weekend in January - we haven't made it up!
we have an oven ready event for 2023
The ACME team crossed my path various times, photo's are already available at: https://eu.zonerama.com/ivomiesen/Album/8882619
No excuse required :-*
What is required is your attendance, and this applies to everyone, at Epiphany :thumbsup: Everything was planned for this January until we cancelled it so we have an oven ready event for 2023 which I'll get onto in November-ish.
The ACME team crossed my path various times, photo's are already available at: https://eu.zonerama.com/ivomiesen/Album/8882619
Thanks for sharing :thumbsup:
Does anybody know where the results from the BRM will be published? I checked the NL randonneurs site but there doesn't appear to be anywhere to see past results. I also checked an ACP website, but could only find rules relating to BRM events, no actual results.
The ACME team crossed my path various times, photo's are already available at: https://eu.zonerama.com/ivomiesen/Album/8882619
Thanks for sharing :thumbsup:
Does anybody know where the results from the BRM will be published? I checked the NL randonneurs site but there doesn't appear to be anywhere to see past results. I also checked an ACP website, but could only find rules relating to BRM events, no actual results.
Try this...
https://randonneurs.nl/palmares/homologaties-2022 (https://randonneurs.nl/palmares/homologaties-2022)/
Type. Valk in the search field for Valkenswaard and you should find your entries
No excuse required :-*
What is required is your attendance, and this applies to everyone, at Epiphany :thumbsup: Everything was planned for this January until we cancelled it so we have an oven ready event for 2023 which I'll get onto in November-ish.
And we'll have the ACME Awards then too? I need to get on with ordering the 2022 year bars ...
Yes, thanks Farf - that's nice to see.The ACME team crossed my path various times, photo's are already available at: https://eu.zonerama.com/ivomiesen/Album/8882619
Thanks for sharing :thumbsup:
Does anybody know where the results from the BRM will be published? I checked the NL randonneurs site but there doesn't appear to be anywhere to see past results. I also checked an ACP website, but could only find rules relating to BRM events, no actual results.
Try this...
https://randonneurs.nl/palmares/homologaties-2022 (https://randonneurs.nl/palmares/homologaties-2022)/
Type. Valk in the search field for Valkenswaard and you should find your entries
Perfect, thank you
This is your final call! 2309 of your points will expire on December 31 2023.
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Perfect timing to rock-up to this on Sat 7th:
https://randonneurs.nl/hanze-6-9-6/
Planning to book the ferry over the Christmas break.
So just wanted to confirm that the dates above are confirmed before I spend the money?
"Out: Sailing on Wed 4th Sept at 23:00
Back: Sailing on Sun 8th Sept at 22:30."
The ferry discount details are as follows:
- 15% off Economy, Flexi and Premium car, motorhome and foot passenger fares on the Harwich-Hook of Holland route
- Valid for travel between 8 January 2024 and 30 November 2024 only
- Cabins, meals, Stena Plus Lounge, arrangements, pet travel are excluded from this discount
- The discount applies to the base Economy, Flex & Premium ferry fares only. No discount on fees & dues
- Offer code: NEWYEAR24
- Book by date: 5 February 2024
https://www.stenaline.co.uk/special-offers/holland-early-booking-offer-2024 (https://www.stenaline.co.uk/special-offers/holland-early-booking-offer-2024)
Is a cabin mandatory for the overnight crossings?
Can't see an option for airline style seat, only cabins.
Is a cabin mandatory for the overnight crossings?
Can't see an option for airline style seat, only cabins.
I can't do that weekend at all, sadly. It's Larraine's birthday - I did suggest she might want to spend it cycling round with us but it met with a muted response...
I have yet to work out what my plans are for next year. If I don't try Ruska again, I may be around for this weekend if you're open to continental gate crashers?
J
Ferry Booked :thumbsup:Ditto for me & Snotty, outbound breakie paid :thumbsup:
The ferry discount details are as follows:
- 15% off Economy, Flexi and Premium car, motorhome and foot passenger fares on the Harwich-Hook of Holland route
- Valid for travel between 8 January 2024 and 30 November 2024 only
- Cabins, meals, Stena Plus Lounge, arrangements, pet travel are excluded from this discount
- The discount applies to the base Economy, Flex & Premium ferry fares only. No discount on fees & dues
- Offer code: NEWYEAR24
- Book by date: 5 February 2024
https://www.stenaline.co.uk/special-offers/holland-early-booking-offer-2024 (https://www.stenaline.co.uk/special-offers/holland-early-booking-offer-2024)
The ferry discount details are as follows:
- 15% off Economy, Flexi and Premium car, motorhome and foot passenger fares on the Harwich-Hook of Holland route
- Valid for travel between 8 January 2024 and 30 November 2024 only
- Cabins, meals, Stena Plus Lounge, arrangements, pet travel are excluded from this discount
- The discount applies to the base Economy, Flex & Premium ferry fares only. No discount on fees & dues
- Offer code: NEWYEAR24
- Book by date: 5 February 2024
https://www.stenaline.co.uk/special-offers/holland-early-booking-offer-2024 (https://www.stenaline.co.uk/special-offers/holland-early-booking-offer-2024)
Just a reminder for those heading to the Netherlands in September to book your ferry before the 5th February, if you haven't already done so.
From a route planning perspective, I'm investigating 2 options as follows:
Hook -> Utrecht -> Apeldoorn -> 's-Hertogenbosch -> Hook
or
Hook -> Utrecht -> Apeldoorn -> Utrecht -> Hook
Either way it'll be circa 100km each day, and there's enough of a buffer between the point to point distances to allow for some meandering to take in interesting sights and stops. I've got the route for day 1 planned already ... it's less than 100km, so I'll not need to perform any cat herding to keep everybody on track. There'll be plenty of time!
As the towns are quite big, I'm aiming to identify a suitable place to meet for an evening meal. This will help people to get accommodation in a convenient place. If anybody has any interesting recommendations for the restaurant in any of these locations, do let me know. I'll be planning that aspect of the trip in the second half of February.