Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => Audax => Topic started by: Fidgetbuzz on 03 January, 2015, 01:33:42 pm
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http://trackleaders.com/oneyeartimetrial15i.php?name=Steve_Abraham
and this is an excellent alternative quick view of Steve's position
http://audaxclubhackney.co.uk/tg.html
also useful
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bjt.yearrecordtracker.app
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It’s useful enough but I do hope jo’s offer to create a more engaging visualisation is taken up.
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It will probably always be the primary source for knowing where is he is RIGHT NOW.
For further analysis/visualization of the year-to-date, there are certainly better ways to display the data - we just don't have them yet. I have every faith in Jo to create something interesting, and I expect lots of other people to do stuff (especially as strava already has lots of built-in tools to play with. )
I don't know whether trackleaders.com have ever displayed data over such a long time-frame - they may see the usefulness of further filtering etc and develop stuff as the dataset builds up.
(I think their main thing is lots of people racing simultaneously for just a few days. Could be wrong!)
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If not done already its certainly worth contacting http://veloviewer.com as he can provide some great graphics and logistical displays based on the Strava data, and I'm sure he would be keen to be involved in Steve's legendary year.
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What was Steve's official mileage yesterday? I saw that the previous day's 206 tracked expanded to 222.7 on the .gpx. I would guess that multiplying the tracked distance by 1.07 would be a pretty good rule of thumb, unless he kept on a perfectly straight road for an hour or two.
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What was Steve's official mileage yesterday? I saw that the previous day's 206 tracked expanded to 222.7 on the .gpx. I would guess that multiplying the tracked distance by 1.07 would be a pretty good rule of thumb, unless he kept on a perfectly straight road for an hour or two.
I think the official mileage (or provisional, I guess!) is whatever Strava says under
"Year to Date":
http://www.strava.com/athletes/1419435
(I think you need to register to get more detailed breakdown).
The twitter feed is also a good source (so far):
https://twitter.com/yearrecord
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The first 500 miles done :)
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Only another 149½ of them to go then.
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Only another 149½ of them to go then.
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He'll always settle for more, but he has to be happy with anything around 550 for the first three days I'd have thought - that's well on target for his January average.
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150*500=75000. Add that to what he has already ridden and he has a new world record.
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It will probably always be the primary source for knowing where is he is RIGHT NOW.
If it could at least separate the current day’s track from earlier days it would be a help.
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Trackleaders and Strava give different distances for Steve. Which one is canonical? Can anyone on the OYTT team enlighten us as to the source of the discrepancy?
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Strava should be canonical. The trackleaders distance is based on infrequent samples and cuts corners so giving a shorter distance. Go by strava.
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Strava is the official distance measurement for UMCA purposes.
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Strava is the official distance measurement for UMCA purposes.
Lets just hope Strava doesn't go down.
(Only partially said in jest. I trust team TG are keeping safe and secure offsite backups of all the .fit/gpx files with HR data intact. Strava has no published SLA, could accidentally loose an entire account at any time, or the company could even go bust)
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(Only partially said in jest. I trust team TG are keeping safe and secure offsite backups of all the .fit/gpx files with HR data intact. Strava has no published SLA, could accidentally loose an entire account at any time, or the company could even go bust)
The Linus Torvalds approach to backups would seem appropriate here...
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*guesses*
we all download a copy?
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I trust team TG are keeping safe and secure offsite backups of all the .fit/gpx files with HR data intact.
Good question, glad you asked. Something for the team to confirm.
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*guesses*
we all download a copy?
It would be useful backups to be of known provenance to give confidence in their authenticity.
- us each having a differing random subset of 365+ GPX files would be hard to piece back together to the whole story, and attest they really are his
- exporting from Strava looses the HRM (and temperature and power etc etc) data.
Simplest thing could be to do the uploads via Garmin Connect and rely* on the Garmin-strava linkage to automatically get them into Strava. Then it's in two places at least. (And has plus point of being fully automatic upload with Garmin 1000 + smartphone running garmin connect, and also reduces the need to ever have to type Strava password into random host's PC)
* - that's the rub with this approach...
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periodically go into https://www.strava.com/settings/profile and click "Download all your activities". When the archive link is sent, go ahead and download it and save a copy in GDrive, github, dropbox, memory stick, whatever.
EDIT: this is not such a good choice either, as it also uses GPX file and looses the HR etc data (see comments here) (http://engineering.strava.com/bulk-activity-export/). This ongoing struggle (http://cosmocatalano.com/strava/shutdown.html) to get a decent export from Strava is exactly why I'm nervous of any workflow that treats Strava as the Source of Truth for my own data. Backing up the .fit files at source probably is the winner.
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Indeed. What would help crowd backups to work is to public key sign each track. That would allow the authenticity of backups crowd to be established given a suitably strong key. You'd insert the signature in an irrelevant field which strava preserves on export and sign based on other content that's preserved. Of course this relies on the data not being modified by strava in any way.
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I just got a "download all my data" link from strava, and that does seem to include temperature and HR (but not power), in gpxtpx:hr style GPX extension fields, for your own exports. Good enough.
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Strava is the official distance measurement for UMCA purposes.
So how do they decide which of Saturday's uploads is the correct one? Two are now on Steves website.
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Strava is the official distance measurement for UMCA purposes.
Ah, cheers :thumbsup: That's been a persistent question on TTF so I'll go over there and calm them down.
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*guesses*
we all download a copy?
Only wimps use tape backup: real men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;)
It wasn't an entirely serious suggestion, but taking the raw files and bunging them on the web (with GPG signatures and MD5 sums to taste) with an open invitation for data nerds to come up with cool visualisations of the data would seem more trustworthy (if less official) than Strava.
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I can see that page getting quite addictive for the next 12 months - Steve passed within 5 or so miles of my work today.
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Previously somewhere on here was a link to the blue dot page as apposed to the tracking page. The blue dot page gave a much better idea of where Steve is as you could zoom in very clearly on satellite view (but did not show the track) . That page no longer seems to be working which is a shame.
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I was enjoying the tracker but now the distance has gone I haven't looked at it since. Where can I see his distance please?
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On the tracker -- daily distance there now -- cumulative was just getting further and further out.
Strava is the official measuring system
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Excellent. Thanks.
What is Steve's name on Strava please? Just wanna make sure I get the right chap.
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Ah, it's fine - I've found him. No 's' on his surname. :thumbsup:
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https://www.strava.com/athletes/1419435 for future reference.
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The 'where is Steve' pin seems to have reappeared on the tracker. It seemed to have gone awol since the distance covered was removed - at least it disappeared for me.
:thumbsup:
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I see Steve has been through Hardwick and Quarrendon, nr Aylesbury.
Good luck from the Lees. ;)
No visit to Hartwell yet.
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Strava seems easier to assess Steves wonderful progress at the end of each day,even though it does not give instantaneous details during the ride.I have not found The track leaders much help.
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I trust team TG are keeping safe and secure offsite backups of all the .fit/gpx files with HR data intact
Surely we've got a cyclist contact within GCHQ? They'll have backups of everything.
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I trust team TG are keeping safe and secure offsite backups of all the .fit/gpx files with HR data intact
Surely we've got a cyclist contact within GCHQ? They'll have backups of everything.
Of course they have. They know TG's inside leg measurement!
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Of course GCHQ are interested. The Russians are also taking an interest in Steve and are intending to claim his achievement as their own.
(https://mospat.ru/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/27VSN_1632.jpg)
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Interestingly when you "refresh location" the "status" doesn't update so the days mileage is not recalculated.
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None of the trackers are updating at the monent, which is a tad inconvenient!
Anyone know what's going on?
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I have Steve doing 18.2 mph two mins ago.
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Ivan's Clever SCIENCE has Steve's Google distance rather higher than the SPOT Tracker, which you'd expect, but has Tarzan's SPOT the thick end of fifty miles more than the Chocolate Factory's ???
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I’ve noticed that the track reduces in granularity for later samples. Means some detours Steve took today vanished - so more of an underestimate later on.
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Ivan's Clever SCIENCE has Steve's Google distance rather higher than the SPOT Tracker, which you'd expect, but has Tarzan's SPOT the thick end of fifty miles more than the Chocolate Factory's ???
Yes, just noticed this for Tarzan, looks like I am running into Google's usage limits for their directions service, but my (sloppy) code doesn't check the return codes, will have to see what I can do.
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I'm finding the tracker is causing script performance issues in Firefox, perhaps because of plotting a month's worth of routing. I've swapped to Ivan's tracker which is better.
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Apologies if this has been discussed somewhere I've missed. Does anybody understand the reason for the discrepancy between the "race flow" graph on http://trackleaders.com/oneyeartimetrial15 and the accumulated miles on https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xz2QyYN6S5ve5X5lvNNwLDb4J8sEek1EOuE7qACqDbQ/pubhtml?gid=944055483&single=true
The graph seems to understate Steve's and overstate Kurt's miles.
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Is it possible that it is picking up Kurt's vehicle transfers? Day 24 for Kurt looks decidedly odd with no sleep stop showing. You might expect a bit of under estimation for Steve as he does more wiggly routes and so will be underestimated by the track polling at 5 minute intervals.
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http://trackleaders.com/oneyeartimetrial15i.php?name=Steve_Abraham
and this is an excellent alternative quick view of Steve's position
http://audaxclubhackney.co.uk/tg.html
also useful
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bjt.yearrecordtracker.app
This week the official page has become hopelessly slow to load. (Chrome or opera on Android)
Whereas the ACH page loads as fast as any Google map. Odd.
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I've not looked at the official,page since Ivan unleashed his Clever SCIENCE on an unsuspecting world but, yes, it does take ages. I expect it's loading the data for the whole year coz it also takes an age to launch for IronOx.
At some point it'll take so long to load that it'll be unable to keep up in real time ;D
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The Year Record Tracker app on Android is pretty quick to display results on my phone.
Agree with others that the standard app is very slow - much slower on my tablet than on the desktop for some reason.
Bryn
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I noticed today that according to the tracker, Steve’s moving average speed has just gone up from 16.1 to 16.2.
Out of interest, I took a look at Kurt’s tracker. His is only showing an average moving speed of 14.5.
Surely one of those figures has to be wrong. I would expect Kurt to moving much faster than Steve.
I assume the average moving speed means the average since the riders started at the beginning of the year?
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I noticed today that according to the tracker, Steve’s moving average speed has just gone up from 16.1 to 16.2.
Out of interest, I took a look at Kurt’s tracker. His is only showing an average moving speed of 14.5.
Surely one of those figures has to be wrong. I would expect Kurt to moving much faster than Steve.
I assume the average moving speed means the average since the riders started at the beginning of the year?
I've been calculating moving average by sampling their location every 5 minutes since Jan 1st. If there is a difference in location between consecutive samples (excluding minor GPS errors), that counts towards the average.
As of 16th Feb, this gives
Kurt: 18.1 mph
Steve: 13.9 mph
William: 12.4 mph.
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Thanks Jo.
So the speed information displayed on the tracker page is meaningless then?
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(http://www.beaconrcc.org.uk/resources/oytt.jpg)
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Is the spot tracker distance on the http://audaxclubhackney.co.uk/tg.html page the figure that goes into Strava? Or is it closer to the GPX track?
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IIRC the SPOT track distance is the same as the one recorded by http://trackleaders.com/oneyeartimetrial15i.php?name=Steve_Abraham and underestimates the actual distance by $LOTS. The Google route on the Audax Club Hackney page is closer to reality but still underestimates. The Strava distance is the one uploaded from the Garmin GPS box at day-end.
SPOT tracker and Google route are closer for Tarzan coz he doesn't have many corners over there.
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I can't see anything an any of the trackers today. Anybody have a clue as to what the problem might be?
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Can't even load the page TGS. We shall have to wait in suspense until it's uploaded to Strava.
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The whole 'Trackleaders' site seems to be down (which other trackers such as the app use to get position). :-\
He was heading in Peterborough-ish direction before it went down.
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This is awful. I might have to do some work :(
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Hurrah: It's back :thumbsup:
Bah: Distance from MARSH GIBBON = 136.1 km :(
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Hurrah: It's back :thumbsup:
Bah: Distance from MARSH GIBBON = 136.1 km :(
...And breath....normal service resumed!! :thumbsup:
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I've created a quick view of Miles's progress here: http://audaxclubhackney.co.uk/miles.html - using Oz_rider_1, for Oz_rider_2 see http://audaxclubhackney.co.uk/miles2.html
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Thanks Ivan, again.
(Mornington Crescent!)
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;D "Distance from Port Gibbon"
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Can you get the first point, last point and day rollover into AU local time please? The day is starting round about lunchtime.
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I've created a quick view of Miles's progress here: http://audaxclubhackney.co.uk/miles.html - using Oz_rider_1, for Oz_rider_2 see http://audaxclubhackney.co.uk/miles2.html
:thumbsup:
I have a chum in Queenscliff, might be good for a buckshee banger. If he goes up the coast a bit from there he'd better wear his lid, though, there's a place called Indented Head.
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:thumbsup:
I have a chum in Queenscliff, might be good for a buckshee banger. If he goes up the coast a bit from there he'd better wear his lid, though, there's a place called Indented Head.
They better be damned fine bangers, because there's is the matter of a 4km open water swim through an area affectionately know as "the rip".
(and he's wearing a lid. It's the law, doncha know)
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Can you get the first point, last point and day rollover into AU local time please? The day is starting round about lunchtime.
The first & last points come direct from the Trackleaders site - I don't have any control over this at the moment, though I'm part way through a fix for this. The times should be local to your computer though.
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:thumbsup:
I have a chum in Queenscliff, might be good for a buckshee banger. If he goes up the coast a bit from there he'd better wear his lid, though, there's a place called Indented Head.
They better be damned fine bangers, because there's is the matter of a 4km open water swim through an area affectionately know as "the rip".
(and he's wearing a lid. It's the law, doncha know)
He could go via Werribee & Geelong, though. Or Perth.
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Cheers Ivan :thumbsup:
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Steve is doing remarkably well. Perhaps he should stay on the trike once he's well? Good to see him rolling again.
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Steve's tracker page is becoming too slow to load on my PC - almost unusable; presumably because of trying to load the whole year's cumulative tracks. Possibly not an issue on new systems, but there must be a fair few people in the same boat as me. Really there should be an option to click on the whole year, once one has viewed the current day/week's progress.
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I gave up on Track Leaders ages ago. Use Ivan's Audax Club Hackney site, it only uses points from the current day.
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I use the app that was created by somebody (can't remember who) on the forum. Would it be possible for App 2.0 to be created with Miles replacing Tin Boy?
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Can this thread be unpinned as it is not updated?
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If I get up before Steve, I generally find nothing to see on http://audaxclubhackney.co.uk/tg.html
Is there an easy way to view
"Yesterday's track/stats" or
"The most recent complete day"
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I use the link every day; it's often the only way to see what Steve and Kurt are doing without waiting 24 or more hours
so keep it stickyicky please :)
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If I get up before Steve, I generally find nothing to see on http://audaxclubhackney.co.uk/tg.html
Is there an easy way to view
"Yesterday's track/stats" or
"The most recent complete day"
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No - the existing page just loads data directly from the Trackleaders site, and that sort of information isn't present there. I would need to start storing this on my own server, something I started work on last winter but then got distracted by other events - I thought it would all be over by Christmas.
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If I get up before Steve, I generally find nothing to see on http://audaxclubhackney.co.uk/tg.html
Is there an easy way to view
"Yesterday's track/stats" or
"The most recent complete day"
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I had wondered the same Matt so I had a play over the holidays. I cannot offer the full IvanScience experience but I can offer this:
http://www.soretween.altervista.org/TeethGrinder/tg368.jpg
At the risk of stating the bleedin obvious increment 368 each day.
No warranty is offered, no assurance of service implied. It's automated to upload a screenshot each day from a computer 120 miles away from me through the week, a computer I have no remote access to. It will go wrong, when it does there may be a cat involved.
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Marvellous!
How does it work - do you take a snapshot at midnight every day?
(in which case the only weakness is rides ending after midnight ... but hey, nothing's perfect)
p.s. thanks for the reply Ivan :)
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Scheduled event to take a screenshot every night at 01:50 using NirSoft ScreenShoter (needs the reg frig mentioned on their site). Then a second scheduled event at 01:55 (could have been merged, CBA) starts a batch script to rename the file with the day number, spew an ftp command file then launch the ftp command sequence.
Easy once I gave up trying to fight photobucket to host the files and signed up for a decent web host. [mini rant] Why is it so hard to to find a photo/file/web host that allows FTP access? The clue is in the name; File Transfer Protocol. Guess what that is the perfect tool for... [/mini rant]
Not an elegant solution but it works. Cats notwithstanding.
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[mini rant] Why is it so hard to to find a photo/file/web host that allows FTP access? The clue is in the name; File Transfer Protocol. Guess what that is the perfect tool for... [/mini rant]
FTP was perfect in the 70s. It's horribly dated now and a right pain in the arse security wise (plaintext authentication, password only authentication, separate control and data ports, etc).
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lol, furry muff, I know nothing of the back end on the scale of a muti user multi stream system. As a bear of limited brain and techno-born in the early eighties I cling to old stuff thats small and stupid enough I can get me head all the way around it such that I can grok the threat surface. Flash, java, javascript etc are just worm cans to me.
Kinda like why I don't have remote access, I could set it up but I seriously doubt my ability to secure it.
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Latest tracker (since I couldn't find it in this thread):-
I've knocked something up on the tracking front using Steve's spot feed: http://frrt.org/tg/. I'm splitting his track each midnight and treating each day as a separate 'rider', so the list linked at the top of that page acts as a kind of archive. By default that map only shows the current day to make it readable, and there is another view here which you might prefer: http://frrt.org/tg/r/1-steve/map.
Thanks very much Ivan. That makes it so much easier to access and feel involved with what Steve is doing. I'll feel guilty if I go to bed while he is still out on the road.
This is my favourite view - http://frrt.org/tg/r/1-steve - as it shows today's distance as well as the map, profile and average speed.
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lol, furry muff, I know nothing of the back end on the scale of a muti user multi stream system. As a bear of limited brain and techno-born in the early eighties I cling to old stuff thats small and stupid enough I can get me head all the way around it such that I can grok the threat surface. Flash, java, javascript etc are just worm cans to me.
Learning to use SCP/SFTP would seem worthwhile. It's functionally similar to FTP, secure, and only needs a normal SSH server at the remote end.
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Spotted Steve a few minutes ago! https://youtu.be/5OH9JCECBsg
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Spotted Steve a few minutes ago! https://youtu.be/5OH9JCECBsg
Who else thought he was about to get SMIDSYed?!?