Mille Cymru - Welsh 1000 - 23-26/07/2010

[iddu]

Is it coggable

I reckon so.

Yeahbut - you're an insane whippet. Get a Longflap with 25kg and tie one leg behind yer back, then we might come out even

...some of the Elan Valley, not sure what goes on there.

Emminently coggable, but I always seem to have a mental block & 2' the hairpins leading up to the Mountain Road
Did you not go & play on the "Monks Trod" then?

[JohnHamilton]

Is there going to be a BR and BRM version?

BRM, with a fall-back option of BR if anyone needs the extra time allowance (about 1.5hrs as it's just under 1020k).

[JohnHamilton]

The A483 from Aberystwyth to St Davids is probably best done in the small hours. It gets a bit busy on that road.

It'll be late on day 2 when we get there. St Davids-Cardigan is OK, but gets busy between Cardigan and Aberystwyth.

I'm not sure that I can do the 17th July onwards, but I'll see how much oliday  have from work and about a few other odds and sods. It looks very tempting as a fun 4 day warm up for the Mersey 24.

Otherwise, how about a 3 day ride over the August Bank Holiday?
I was going to go to Mildenhall Rally, but this looks like more fun.

It'll have to be July for me. I'll be in India cycling over the Himalaya in August. But if you want to ride then that's fine.

[alan]

Reading this thread makes me believe that I have strayed into a cycling based on-line fantasy game 
I doubt that I would be able to do such riding on a motor-bike

[Weirdy Biker]

Is there going to be a BR and BRM version?

BRM, with a fall-back option of BR if anyone needs the extra time allowance (about 1.5hrs as it's just under 1020k).

I may be wrong, but don't BRM events not allow for the extra 20km?  Vague memory of that from qualifying for PBP.

[Greenbank]

I may be wrong, but don't BRM events not allow for the extra 20km?  Vague memory of that from qualifying for PBP.

Yes, BRM doesn't give you any extra time for extra distance, but BR does.

So the Bryan Chapman at 619km is a flat 40 hours for BRM, but could be as much as 43h17m if BR with extra time for overdistance and a 14.3kph min speed (this year it was run as a BR with a 15kph min speed giving 41h16 for the 2004 route).

I seem to remember there being a 10% overdistance limit on BRM. So you could, theoretically, have a 660km 40 hour BRM 600, or a 75 hour 1100km BRM 1000. Ouchee.

[teethgrinder]

Did you not go & play on the "Monks Trod" then?

Not yet, but it's still on the to do list.

I've done the Elan Valley via the lakes, going westwards on my 53/17 without resorting to 2'. But I've never done it the other direction on that sized gear before.
This route looks like we have a circuit or something around the lakes.

[Weirdy Biker]

I may be wrong, but don't BRM events not allow for the extra 20km?  Vague memory of that from qualifying for PBP.

Yes, BRM doesn't give you any extra time for extra distance, but BR does.

So the Bryan Chapman at 619km is a flat 40 hours for BRM, but could be as much as 43h17m if BR with extra time for overdistance and a 14.3kph min speed (this year it was run as a BR with a 15kph min speed giving 41h16 for the 2004 route).

I seem to remember there being a 10% overdistance limit on BRM. So you could, theoretically, have a 660km 40 hour BRM 600, or a 75 hour 1100km BRM 1000. Ouchee.

In that case, riders will have an extra 10 hours if they do the BR version as opposed to the BRM (unless my math is shonky).

BR: 1020 km at min speed of 13.3kph = 76 hours 40 mins
BRM: 1000km at min speed of 15kph = 66 hours 40 mins

Half a day or so!  Kind of puts it in perspective!

[JohnHamilton]

Not quite. Minimum speed is 13.3 for both BR & BRM @ 1000k, so 75hours is the BRM allowance.

1hr40m for the extra 20k.

[Weirdy Biker]

Ah, you are of course right.  I wasn't aware that ACP used different speed limits (their rules couldn't be clearer when you find them!)

This ride strangely looks much more achievable!  Must stop eating pies...

[JohnHamilton]

No more takers then? Just me and iddu so far.

[Andydauddwr]

Half tempted to take a day off and join you on Monday.  I'd need to find an extra 10km to make a 300 out of it, but can always nip out to Bow St at the end of the day...

This may be ill-advised though, as I'm riding a 400 on Saturday and racing rowing boats all day Sunday and should really be banking some sleep for Mersey Roads before much longer.

AC

[iddu]

(Sleep. Sleep. Sleep....)

Well, that was another silly idea.

A better weekend, and you might have got it completely tested, but with two lashings (Ysbyty Ifan & Tywyn) on a 17h 300, and not feeling too great, John DNF'd this morning.

I did the leg from Aberwystwyth to Carmarthen, which was somewhat challanging in its rolliness, the fact that cold bands of deluges came across every 20 minutes (road rivers 4cm deep) , and the sodding againsterly still wasn't gving one free centimetre after 370K, before looking at the horizon-to-horizon blackness that I'd be turning west into and saying - screw that!

There's a time to be stubborn, and a time to heed what experience has taught you; the train was calling...

[simonp]

Ouch.  Already sounding like a "classic". 

[JohnHamilton]

Not the best of weekends to try this out really. I wasn't feeling good right from the start and never got comfortable. Must have had a headwind for 270 of the 300k to Aber, either straight into it over the mountain roads to Llanberis or blasting in off the Irish Sea on the coast road down to Aber. And two biblical deluges on top of the Migneint and just after Aberdyfi. I'd decided by the time I got to Tywyn that enough was enough. The fact that it was still chucking it down when I woke up on Sun morning sealed it.

Still, I learnt a couple of useful things...

Pete's Eats was packed. Not great for a quick control at that time of day. Needed the food though so wasn't complaining too much.
The Barmouth Bridge in the dark & wind & rain is not a pleasant experience. Think I might need to play around with the start time to make this bit in daylight.

Thanks to Andy for putting us up in his front room.

[teethgrinder]

The Barmouth Bridge in the dark & wind & rain is not a pleasant experience. Think I might need to play around with the start time to make this bit in daylight.

Spoilsport.

Have you got a routesheet for this ride yet?

[JohnHamilton]

Have you got a routesheet for this ride yet?

Draft routesheet. I've now ridden the first and second legs and the return back from Aber so they're (mostly) accurate.

If you want to have a go PM me and I'll let you have the controls. I'll have another go sometime but it won't be this year now.

[revrob]

Pete's Eats was packed. Not great for a quick control at that time of day. Needed the food though so wasn't complaining too much.

If I'm following you right, UND, and you were in Llanberis this last weekend, it was the weekend of the Snowdon Race (running), as well as the first weekend of the school holidays, and this village (Llanberis) was absolutely heaving - so Pete's will have been more busier than usual, I imagine.

Keep going,

Robert

[Andydauddwr]

If anybody does give it a go, there's doss space available at my place.  PM for details...

AC

[teethgrinder]

I'm thinking of doing this at Christmas, along with El Supremos 1000.
Unless I decide to have a go at skiing in Scotland.

[JohnHamilton]

I'm thinking of doing this at Christmas, along with El Supremos 1000.

In that case, I can definitely say I won't be joining you.

[vistaed]

oh, I'm looking forward to giving this a go. Hope I'm in the country next July to do it  

[PloddinPedro]

John - do you have a firm date yet in 2010 for this? I need to know so I can plan next year's holidays so as to have a cast iron excuse not to be tempted by it!

[DanialW]

http://www.aukweb.net/cal/calsolo.php?Ride=10-4&St=5

[Greenbank]

[CENSORED]

*sticks fingers in ears*

La la la! I can't hear you...La la la!